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Crimson Dynamo
15-07-2016, 06:46 PM
Nice attack was due to ‘decades of multiculturalism and political correctness’ says Polish Interior Minister


Polish Interior Minster Mariusz Blaszczak called for tough action on jihadis
He claimed 'multiculturalism' and political correctness caused Nice attack
The right wing politician wants increased surveillance on terror suspects
He said there there were not any 'no-go zones in Poland' for the police


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Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, 31, killed 84 people as he drove his large lorry along the main promenade in Nice indiscriminately knocking down pedestrians who had just finished watching the city's Bastille Day fireworks.
Unlike other international politicians, Blaszczak blamed France and the European Union's Foreign affairs commissioner Federica Mogherini for last night's deadly attack.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3692437/Nice-attack-decades-multiculturalism-political-correctness-says-Polish-Interior-Minister.html#ixzz4EVLEm3k8



Thoughts?

Liberty4eva
15-07-2016, 06:49 PM
He's right. Will anyone listen to him? :shrug:

kirklancaster
15-07-2016, 06:53 PM
He's right. Will anyone listen to him? :shrug:

NO, because it involves first ADMITTING that there is a problem, and not many politicians have the stomach for such a brave step - precisely for the reasons which the courageous Mariusz Blaszczak cites.

Northern Monkey
15-07-2016, 07:20 PM
Can't disagree with him.More people will start to admit that trying to force two opposing ideologies into one melting pot of a continent does not work eventually.God knows how many more European citizens have to die before they do.France is taking the brunt of it at the moment but it can happen anywhere.Extreme Islamic ideologies need to be massively clamped down on and the seeds not allowed to grow.

Crimson Dynamo
15-07-2016, 07:29 PM
Do you think ISIS gives two pins for your pathetic hashtags, prayers and candles? Stop waiting to be slaughtered and demand our leaders DO something!

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691973/Do-think-ISIS-gives-two-pins-pathetic-hash-tags-prayers-candles-Stop-waiting-slaughtered-demand-leaders-something.html#ixzz4EVW8vzyu

kirklancaster
15-07-2016, 07:40 PM
Can't disagree with him.More people will start to admit that trying to force two opposing ideologies into one melting pot of a continent does not work eventually.God knows how many more European citizens have to die before they do.France is taking the brunt of it at the moment but it can happen anywhere.Extreme Islamic ideologies need to be massively clamped down on and the seeds not allowed to grow.

I totally agree.

I am among those who were warning about secreted 'Fifth Columnists' nearly 2 years ago - something which I was virtually pilloried for. Well, events of the past 18 months or so have proved us right.

TT350
15-07-2016, 07:42 PM
9th Crusade....

VanessaFeltz.
15-07-2016, 07:44 PM
Can't disagree with him.More people will start to admit that trying to force two opposing ideologies into one melting pot of a continent does not work eventually.God knows how many more European citizens have to die before they do.France is taking the brunt of it at the moment but it can happen anywhere.Extreme Islamic ideologies need to be massively clamped down on and the seeds not allowed to grow.

:clap1: islam ruins lives

Shaun
15-07-2016, 07:45 PM
That's weird, I thought it was down to a terrorist.

bots
15-07-2016, 07:46 PM
we happily coexisted in multicultural societies long before ISIS came along and we will continue to happily coexist long after they are gone

y.winter
15-07-2016, 07:48 PM
Finally someone's saying the obvious. Everybody's so obsessed with trending a pathetic hashtag and a logo with every attack that they forget what matters.

Northern Monkey
15-07-2016, 08:11 PM
I totally agree.

I am among those who were warning about secreted 'Fifth Columnists' nearly 2 years ago - something which I was virtually pilloried for. Well, events of the past 18 months or so have proved us right.That you were.Nobody likes to face reality and deal with it.Sweeping it under the carpet a couple weeks after another attack and the cycle continues.When do governments and authorities finally make a stand?

Captain.Remy
15-07-2016, 08:15 PM
It is always a bit more complex to say "let's do something about it" isn't it?

I do agree something big must be done, obviously not kicking refugees out which is useless since all the terrorists who have attacked France or Belgium were from those respective countries. It is not a religion nor race issue.
I fairly understand the governments are careful because there is a line not to cross between defending ourselves and keeping the hate alive by bombings.
However though, ISIS must be stopped asap, and whether we like it or not, bombings and ground war will surely happen. I know President Hollande is not for it at the moment, but he will have some serious decisions to make with Germany, USA, UK and Russia.

user104658
15-07-2016, 10:00 PM
Completely ignoring the fact that France has actually had massive issues WITH accepting multiculturalism and especially freedom of religion. Yawn. Everyone jumping on the easiest answer, as always, without really looking into the cultures in the countries involved. France has had more problems than most with home-grown (NOT immigrant) terrorism because, far from supposed multiculturalism, French culture has marginalised and alienated non-mainstream cultures internally for decades.

But by all means, "crack down" on multiculturalism and watch the problem get even worse. A stroke of genius, that. Hey here's an idea! We could get them to live in ghettos away from all of the normals! That usually works wonders.

empire
15-07-2016, 11:18 PM
this attack will push france into a civil war, and in a few weeks it will kick off, france made the same mistake as did britain in the 50s and 60s, and what do both countries have now, ethnic ghettos, the civil war that is soon happening in france will draw a conflict of race and religious conflict with white frenchman vs muslims of north african,middle east, and south asian descent, I predicted this last year, the elite in paris like westminster, live in a bubble, they think that filling up a city with people from different cultures, and faiths, will live happly together, sorry but it is not like that in the real world, ethnic muslim population of france like britain, make their own little communities, and in those communities they make there own laws and rules, are laws and way of life mean nothing to them, these communities think they are above are laws, the recent attacks in france, people inside of those communities must of known that these guys where going to do these things,

Tom4784
15-07-2016, 11:20 PM
What an arsehole, using the deaths of so many people to push his anti-PC agenda. Disgraceful.

user104658
15-07-2016, 11:25 PM
What an arsehole, using the deaths of so many people to push his anti-PC agenda. Disgraceful.

I sometimes wonder if these sorts of people actually rub their hands with glee when something like this happens. "Ahh excellent. Ammo!"

Liberty4eva
16-07-2016, 02:20 AM
What an arsehole, using the deaths of so many people to push his anti-PC agenda. Disgraceful.

How is this different than government using deaths to push their PC agenda?

Liberty4eva
16-07-2016, 02:28 AM
Completely ignoring the fact that France has actually had massive issues WITH accepting multiculturalism and especially freedom of religion. Yawn. Everyone jumping on the easiest answer, as always, without really looking into the cultures in the countries involved. France has had more problems than most with home-grown (NOT immigrant) terrorism because, far from supposed multiculturalism, French culture has marginalised and alienated non-mainstream cultures internally for decades.

But by all means, "crack down" on multiculturalism and watch the problem get even worse. A stroke of genius, that. Hey here's an idea! We could get them to live in ghettos away from all of the normals! That usually works wonders.

42% of French Muslims think suicide bombing is justified. This is not compatible with Western society. You can't solve the problem but you can at least try to minimize it by stopping/limiting immigration from Muslim countries.

the truth
16-07-2016, 04:40 AM
the man is right. close the borders until further notice, massively tighten border controls, scrap the schengen now and forever, at the very least this may give the cops and intelligence the chance to protect the public. they have zero chance as it is as terorists can hop across borders unchecked and back and forth to the middle east to get wepaons and training etc

merkel must resign NOW

user104658
16-07-2016, 09:43 AM
Seclusion and division is not going to solve this problem, it's going to compound it. How is it that people are failing to understand this?

Cherie
16-07-2016, 09:49 AM
we happily coexisted in multicultural societies long before ISIS came along and we will continue to happily coexist long after they are gone

:clap2: bit rich of this guy to be moaning about multiculturalism when Polish immigration is at an all time high :idc:

Northern Monkey
16-07-2016, 04:35 PM
Completely ignoring the fact that France has actually had massive issues WITH accepting multiculturalism and especially freedom of religion. Yawn. Everyone jumping on the easiest answer, as always, without really looking into the cultures in the countries involved. France has had more problems than most with home-grown (NOT immigrant) terrorism because, far from supposed multiculturalism, French culture has marginalised and alienated non-mainstream cultures internally for decades.

But by all means, "crack down" on multiculturalism and watch the problem get even worse. A stroke of genius, that. Hey here's an idea! We could get them to live in ghettos away from all of the normals! That usually works wonders.
They usually already do over here

Northern Monkey
16-07-2016, 04:39 PM
:clap2: bit rich of this guy to be moaning about multiculturalism when Polish immigration is at an all time high :idc:

However Poland needs it's population to stay in Poland for their economy so his point is not really hypocritical if he would actually rather Polish people were'nt fleeing the country to come here.

Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2016, 04:44 PM
Completely ignoring the fact that France has actually had massive issues WITH accepting multiculturalism and especially freedom of religion. Yawn. Everyone jumping on the easiest answer, as always, without really looking into the cultures in the countries involved. France has had more problems than most with home-grown (NOT immigrant) terrorism because, far from supposed multiculturalism, French culture has marginalised and alienated non-mainstream cultures internally for decades.

But by all means, "crack down" on multiculturalism and watch the problem get even worse. A stroke of genius, that. Hey here's an idea! We could get them to live in ghettos away from all of the normals! That usually works wonders.

What an arsehole, using the deaths of so many people to push his anti-PC agenda. Disgraceful.

Seclusion and division is not going to solve this problem, it's going to compound it. How is it that people are failing to understand this?

be interesting to hear your solutions?

user104658
16-07-2016, 05:22 PM
be interesting to hear your solutions?
Better integration and increased TRUE multiculturalism to combat the segregation and alienation that leads to a population of people who are easily radicalised.

We're moving swiftly in the opposite direction, though.

Northern Monkey
16-07-2016, 07:18 PM
Just listening to a bloke on TV saying they adopted this tactic from Hamas who use cars as weapons in Israel.They mow people down at bus stops.Been using this for a while.I bet we could start seeing more of this style of attack.Scary to think you can be just at a social event or even walking down a pavement on a busy street and a car or lorry may possibly come and hit anyone and their family.
It's a kind of attack that doesn't need much planning at all.Just a vehicle

Cherie
16-07-2016, 07:23 PM
Just listening to a bloke on TV saying they adopted this tactic from Hamas who use cars as weapons in Israel.They mow people down at bus stops.Been using this for a while.I bet we could start seeing more of this style of attack.Scary to think you can be just at a social event or even walking down a pavement on a busy street and a car or lorry may possibly come and hit anyone and their family.

ISIS called for this months ago, for lone wolves to use any means including vehicles to maim and kill, Lee Rigby was mown down before being attacked

Tom4784
16-07-2016, 08:25 PM
Seclusion and division is not going to solve this problem, it's going to compound it. How is it that people are failing to understand this?

Because people like to try to justify their prejudices. They're short sighted people that know they're in the wrong but desperately want to feel vindicated in their views.

Tom4784
16-07-2016, 08:26 PM
be interesting to hear your solutions?

How about we don't revert to the segregation of the 50's out of pure fear and ignorance?

Liberty4eva
16-07-2016, 08:28 PM
Better integration and increased TRUE multiculturalism to combat the segregation and alienation that leads to a population of people who are easily radicalised.

We're moving swiftly in the opposite direction, though.

You could just submit to Sharia Law. That would stop the conflict.

user104658
16-07-2016, 08:58 PM
You could just submit to Sharia Law. That would stop the conflict.
I wouldn't though would I because, unlike you, I am not a religious nor a political extremist.

Liberty4eva
16-07-2016, 09:17 PM
I wouldn't though would I because, unlike you, I am not a religious nor a political extremist.

I have never told you or anyone here my religion (or lack of). I'm just saying that for the 42% of young French Muslims who support suicide bombing, if you want them to feel more integrated and not alienated, you ought to submit to Sharia Law. I'm just trying to be helpful. :shrug:

user104658
16-07-2016, 09:36 PM
I have never told you or anyone here my religion (or lack of).

I said I'm neither a religious nor a political extremist, something which you...

if you want them to feel more integrated and not alienated, you ought to submit to Sharia Law

...exemplified here, again.

arista
16-07-2016, 11:42 PM
Do you think ISIS gives two pins for your pathetic hashtags, prayers and candles? Stop waiting to be slaughtered and demand our leaders DO something!

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691973/Do-think-ISIS-gives-two-pins-pathetic-hash-tags-prayers-candles-Stop-waiting-slaughtered-demand-leaders-something.html#ixzz4EVW8vzyu


LT the French President has sent another WarShip
to the Syria Coast.

the truth
17-07-2016, 06:01 AM
it is 100% the fault of the insane illogical immoral march of political correctness and the unelected unaccountable EU....Millions of people passing through 30 odd nations unchecked , guess what some of them are criminals and some are terrorists and the EU rules have made it impossible to catch them, stop them in time...the first rule of government is to protect the people...the eu simply dont care about the people. their power obsession and masterplan comes above everything

Liberty4eva
17-07-2016, 06:55 AM
it is 100% the fault of the insane illogical immoral march of political correctness and the unelected unaccountable EU....Millions of people passing through 30 odd nations unchecked , guess what some of them are criminals and some are terrorists and the EU rules have made it impossible to catch them, stop them in time...the first rule of government is to protect the people...the eu simply dont care about the people. their power obsession and masterplan comes above everything

Common Sense. The thing that disturbs me more than anything is the image of thousands of young people protesting leaving the EU. To think that they could brainwash that many people.

Northern Monkey
17-07-2016, 07:47 AM
it is 100% the fault of the insane illogical immoral march of political correctness and the unelected unaccountable EU....Millions of people passing through 30 odd nations unchecked , guess what some of them are criminals and some are terrorists and the EU rules have made it impossible to catch them, stop them in time...the first rule of government is to protect the people...the eu simply dont care about the people. their power obsession and masterplan comes above everything

Very true:clap1:
Security should be priority over everything else.Even the idealistic dream of some borderless free moving utopia.

Liberty4eva
17-07-2016, 08:50 AM
I said I'm neither a religious nor a political extremist, something which you...



...exemplified here, again.

Funny you should call me an extremist. If I was to make a list of the people with the most extreme views you would be at the top.

user104658
17-07-2016, 10:40 AM
Funny you should call me an extremist. If I was to make a list of the people with the most extreme views you would be at the top.
I'm an extremist for believing in a middle ground of peaceful coexistence, whilst you insist that the two options are either:

"no integration at all, put an end to multiculturalism"

or

"just submit to Sharia law!!!1!".

OK :joker:. You are the very definition of extremist.

kirklancaster
18-07-2016, 08:00 AM
I'm an extremist for believing in a middle ground of peaceful coexistence, whilst you insist that the two options are either:

"no integration at all, put an end to multiculturalism"

or

"just submit to Sharia law!!!1!".

OK :joker:. You are the very definition of extremist.

Believing in "in a middle ground of peaceful coexistence" is a worthy ideal T.S. - one held by billions of aspirants since the 'year dot', but the reality is, that from that 'year dot' the human animal that is man has killed man by the billions.
'
Most individual races cannot even 'peacefully coexist' with each other in their OWN native countries, and never have done, due to irrevocable differences in Religious and Political ideologies - among other things - and the sickening examples of 'man's inhumanity to man', which is a consequence of those irrevocable differences, are splashed across EVERY page of history in dark red blood.

I am bemused and slightly frightened by the very real fact, that so many people in this country either do not understand the meaning of the word 'Control', or they understand it but fear it.

There is NOTHING wrong or inhumane, or xenophobic, or racist in wanting to control immigration, because without control we have chaos - exactly what is occurring now throughout a lot of countries in the world, but more specifically in Europe and certainly across the Middle East.

Peaceful coexistence - like 'integration' - requires cooperation between all relevant parties, and there are some immigrants who do not want to integrate or peacefully coexist, but rather specifically have the aims of - usurpation and subjugation.

To deny this, is to absolutely deny reality; the reality which is splashed across the Front Pages of the World's press and across the world's TV screens - on an almost daily basis - every time another atrocity is broadcast where 'home grown' immigrant terrorists have murdered the innocent citizens of their adoptive countries in cold blood through extreme ideology.

Liberty4Eva's contention that 42% of French Muslims think suicide bombing is justified is not compatible with Western society is correct. How can such a murderous facet of extreme ideology be compatible in a civilised country?

Being correct, then she is also correct in proposing what a lot of us - who are NOT in a state of denial - already know to be a tenet; that, like a pandemic disease, the problem of terrorism due to raging Islamic Extremism cannot be eradicated overnight, but there are short term measures that we can employ to contain it and inhibit its spread, and that is Immigration control.

That is; 'CONTROL' - not total ban T.S.

Control - limiting the numbers of immigrants. More rigorous vetting of immigrants. Actual implementation of the existing Immigration Laws which we already have - something, alas, which is scandalously neglected by the authorities.

Control - not murder, chaos and anarchy.

the truth
18-07-2016, 09:48 AM
Believing in "in a middle ground of peaceful coexistence" is a worthy ideal T.S. - one held by billions of aspirants since the 'year dot', but the reality is, that from that 'year dot' the human animal that is man has killed man by the billions.
'
Most individual races cannot even 'peacefully coexist' with each other in their OWN native countries, and never have done, due to irrevocable differences in Religious and Political ideologies - among other things - and the sickening examples of 'man's inhumanity to man', which is a consequence of those irrevocable differences, are splashed across EVERY page of history in dark red blood.

I am bemused and slightly frightened by the very real fact, that so many people in this country either do not understand the meaning of the word 'Control', or they understand it but fear it.

There is NOTHING wrong or inhumane, or xenophobic, or racist in wanting to control immigration, because without control we have chaos - exactly what is occurring now throughout a lot of countries in the world, but more specifically in Europe and certainly across the Middle East.

Peaceful coexistence - like 'integration' - requires cooperation between all relevant parties, and there are some immigrants who do not want to integrate or peacefully coexist, but rather specifically have the aims of - usurpation and subjugation.

To deny this, is to absolutely deny reality; the reality which is splashed across the Front Pages of the World's press and across the world's TV screens - on an almost daily basis - every time another atrocity is broadcast where 'home grown' immigrant terrorists have murdered the innocent citizens of their adoptive countries in cold blood through extreme ideology.

Liberty4Eva's contention that 42% of French Muslims think suicide bombing is justified is not compatible with Western society is correct. How can such a murderous facet of extreme ideology be compatible in a civilised country?

Being correct, then she is also correct in proposing what a lot of us - who are NOT in a state of denial - already know to be a tenet; that, like a pandemic disease, the problem of terrorism due to raging Islamic Extremism cannot be eradicated overnight, but there are short term measures that we can employ to contain it and inhibit its spread, and that is Immigration control.

That is; 'CONTROL' - not total ban T.S.

Control - limiting the numbers of immigrants. More rigorous vetting of immigrants. Actual implementation of the existing Immigration Laws which we already have - something, alas, which is scandalously neglected by the authorities.

Control - not murder, chaos and anarchy.

great post

unlimited immigration is madness
but in europe its even madder
this is unchecked undocumented immigration and movement of people across continents withouut knowing any thing about them and 1000s of these people are criminals and moving wepaons across endless border lines and the authorities are powerless to even check them, let alone stop them and arrest them.

The longer this insanity goes on the more and more europe will turn into the worst most violent war zones of the middle east
ANGELA MERKEL HAS GOT TO GO, SHE IS A COMPLETE POWER CRAZED CONTROL FREAK AND ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BLOOD BATHS IN EUROPE AND SIMPLY ENORMOUS RISE IN TERRORISM IN EUROPE AND THE 100000S OF PEOPLE DROWNING AT SEA MAKING THE HAZARDOUS JOURNEY PAYING HUMAN TRAFFIKERS AND SLAVE TRADERS

Anaesthesia
18-07-2016, 06:10 PM
My best friend at work is a German lady, who married an Iranian Muslim. His family moved to Germany when he was 10, and he fully integrated into the country he was brought into; his mother did not. She refused to learn German, after 28 years she refuses to even try and can use only the most basic phrases. She hates my colleague, and frequently at family get-togethers suggests one or another friend or cousin born into the faith as his next wife...notwithstanding they have been together for 19 years, my friend converted to Islam as a gesture to his family, and they have 2 teenage, european, multicultural children together. The mother in law does not hesitate to say this in front of my friend.

My friend and her family have been living and working in the UK for 5 years now. Her opinion is, if you wish to emigrate, at least pick a country that reflects what you want to be and how the general populace act. Do not move to a secular country if your religious and cultural wishes override all and do not reflect the new country. For the same reason, she (my friend) would not emigrate to Iran to be subjugated. If we would have to dress appropriately for living in an Islamic country, they should expect rules upon (eg) the veil, such as in (secular) France.

Incidentally they left Germany because of a rise in hate attacks against people in mixed marriages.



This is not political correctness, it is about being fully part of your chosen country and accepting their rules and morals. That's not racist. It's bloody common sense.

Shaun
18-07-2016, 06:13 PM
I would absolutely agree with refusing entry to anyone who withholds extremist beliefs but surely the problem is identifying them? It just seems like a bit of a nightmare trying to say "this muslim: fine, that one: nope" with anything other than a hunch.

empire
18-07-2016, 11:20 PM
my brothers friend is dating a british born iraqi girl and they have been togather for three years, and he is white and she's very westernised, and not very religious, her parents are bigots and hate white people, the hypocrisy is that they escaped iraq and moved here and hate are way of life, and they don't know about her white english boyfriend, one time they went into a market that was mostly a muslim enclave, the males would spit on the ground very close to her, and making death stare looks at her, the problem is that you get an immigrant population that mark their territory and make enclave's and ghetto's in towns and cities, and it causes huge problems, and it will kick off in france, the 2005 riots marked that france made the biggest mistake in the 50s and 60s, what happened in bradford and oldham here proved that the multicultuaralism experiment failed, and what have we been doing from then and now is, well we have been sugar coating it, same thing with sweden and germany, that's why countries in the east of europe have rejected the multiculturalism experiment, and the history of fighting the ottoman empire played at the back of there minds just made them understand,

Ammi
19-07-2016, 04:08 AM
my brothers friend is dating a british born iraqi girl and they have been togather for three years, and he is white and she's very westernised, and not very religious, her parents are bigots and hate white people, the hypocrisy is that they escaped iraq and moved here and hate are way of life, and they don't know about her white english boyfriend, one time they went into a market that was mostly a muslim enclave, the males would spit on the ground very close to her, and making death stare looks at her, the problem is that you get an immigrant population that mark their territory and make enclave's and ghetto's in towns and cities, and it causes huge problems, and it will kick off in france, the 2005 riots marked that france made the biggest mistake in the 50s and 60s, what happened in bradford and oldham here proved that the multicultuaralism experiment failed, and what have we been doing from then and now is, well we have been sugar coating it, same thing with sweden and germany, that's why countries in the east of europe have rejected the multiculturalism experiment, and the history of fighting the ottoman empire played at the back of there minds just made them understand,


...you just went though from a hearsay thing of 'I heard a story'/someone told me/the friend of a relative etc and this is what happened to them...to 'they hate us/our way of life'..to 'it all kicks off in France'...to the 'failure' of multi-culture in many countries...I mean, this is it though, isn't it...the build up of fears of Muslims as a whole that are completely unfounded because they're isolated incidents...these fears are what prejudices/intolerances etc are built on...and it's how easily they grow and grow...if we heard something about a non-Muslim, a hearsay thing...'oh the guy down the road' etc did this and behaved like that..we wouldn't stereotype or even begin to stereotype whole communities from that...I mean it's a dumb and stupid/vicious circle isn't it...because maybe there is not always the inclination to integrate, when such prejudice and stereotyping is shown...because you've just jumped to 'world problems' from an isolated and 'hearsay' incident...

the truth
19-07-2016, 05:26 AM
I would absolutely agree with refusing entry to anyone who withholds extremist beliefs but surely the problem is identifying them? It just seems like a bit of a nightmare trying to say "this muslim: fine, that one: nope" with anything other than a hunch.

its not impossible just have a green card system, where people qualify to get into a country and qualify over time to become a citizen... like so many other developed nations, australia, new zealand, canada , america etc etc

well with the schengen and the eu anyone goes anywhere unchecked...its absolutely insane..amongst the millions there are many.illegals, there are some thieves, there are some murderers, there are some terrorists etc thats just a fact and we dont know who is who....how the heck can cops catch them all with no checks and no border controls?

kirklancaster
19-07-2016, 05:35 AM
My best friend at work is a German lady, who married an Iranian Muslim. His family moved to Germany when he was 10, and he fully integrated into the country he was brought into; his mother did not. She refused to learn German, after 28 years she refuses to even try and can use only the most basic phrases. She hates my colleague, and frequently at family get-togethers suggests one or another friend or cousin born into the faith as his next wife...notwithstanding they have been together for 19 years, my friend converted to Islam as a gesture to his family, and they have 2 teenage, european, multicultural children together. The mother in law does not hesitate to say this in front of my friend.

My friend and her family have been living and working in the UK for 5 years now. Her opinion is, if you wish to emigrate, at least pick a country that reflects what you want to be and how the general populace act. Do not move to a secular country if your religious and cultural wishes override all and do not reflect the new country. For the same reason, she (my friend) would not emigrate to Iran to be subjugated. If we would have to dress appropriately for living in an Islamic country, they should expect rules upon (eg) the veil, such as in (secular) France.

Incidentally they left Germany because of a rise in hate attacks against people in mixed marriages.



This is not political correctness, it is about being fully part of your chosen country and accepting their rules and morals. That's not racist. It's bloody common sense.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Great post.

user104658
19-07-2016, 08:37 AM
Not sure if people realise that what they're describing is not "multiculturalism". It's a complete failure to properly implement multiculturalism.

It CAN and DOES work if people are willing to put in the work but the most important factor is acceptance and integration. The reason it has ended up failing so badly in so many areas, the reasons that ghettos and divisions end up forming, has as much to do with lack of acceptance as it does the desire of those who end up there.

Look back over the last 50/60 years, or since WW2 really, and tell me that Britain (average Bob in the average British town) opened his arms and accepted other cultures?

Rejection leads to alienation leads to resisting integration. The exact OPPOSITE of multiculturalism.