owen smith and angela eagle? really? is that all theyve got?

[the truth]

this dynamic duo is going to lead labour back to the promised land? lol really?
if they were holding a rally in my back garden id have to draw the curtains

surely there has to be someone better out there?

[joeysteele]

this dynamic duo is going to lead labour back to the promised land? lol really?
if they were holding a rally in my back garden id have to draw the curtains

surely there has to be someone better out there?

Clearly plenty are happy to make their mouths go but not so eager to challenge publicly.

I prefer Owen to Angela but will be supporting Jeremy Corbyn over either.

It is an awful choice between those 2 I agree.

[arista]

Owen Who?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its actually shocking and shows that "labour" are a spent force. Socialism is dead. Liberalism is dead.

Its time for something new and realistic - Eagle is one of the worst candidates in living memory and i would be ashamed if i was a lefty. If any are left?

[joeysteele]

Owen Who?

Exactly arista. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Joey join the tories

:fc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is still time

[kirklancaster]

Joey join the tories

:fc:

:laugh: I bet I can give you Joey's answer in Russian - well the second word is OFF. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Owen Who?

Owen Money - because if elected and voted into number 10, when those 2 clowns are through we all will be.

[joeysteele]

Joey join the tories

:fc:

No, I will stick with Labour thanks, no way do I want to be part of these current Conservatives.

I feel I am going to have to move to Scotland and more likely support the SNP if things do not improve South of the Border.
Never the Conservatives however,I have just about closed the book on that one.

As much because of some of their supporters than the Party itself.
I'd rather UKIP to the conservatives now.

[joeysteele]

:laugh: I bet I can give you Joey's answer in Russian - well the second word is OFF. :laugh:

A very good description Mr Kirk.:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Labour are making me sad.

[Mitchell]

Back to the glory days of Gordon and Ed?

[bots]

none of the candidates are my cup of tea. I see myself as a fairly typical voter, and there is no way i would ever vote for any of these candidates for government at a GE. Ed was bad, but this trio take it to a whole new level. The party does have some great leaders in there, I want to know the reason none of them will stand because thats the root of the real issue.

[user104658]

none of the candidates are my cup of tea. I see myself as a fairly typical voter, and there is no way i would ever vote for any of these candidates for government at a GE. Ed was bad, but this trio take it to a whole new level. The party does have some great leaders in there, I want to know the reason none of them will stand because thats the root of the real issue.

Because you get one shot at leadership and all of them want to wait until the party is stronger. The vast majority of politicians are fuelled by personal ambition - not ideology - e.g. the BoJo / Brexit fiasco.

[joeysteele]

Because you get one shot at leadership and all of them want to wait until the party is stronger. The vast majority of politicians are fuelled by personal ambition - not ideology - e.g. the BoJo / Brexit fiasco.

That is so true TS.

[MTVN]

All the impressive Labour moderates are afraid of stepping up. Where are the likes of Chuka Umanna and Dan Jarvis? Owen Smith is coming off better than Eagle for me but lets be fair - to most of the country he is a complete non-entity

[joeysteele]

All the impressive Labour moderates are afraid of stepping up. Where are the likes of Chuka Umanna and Dan Jarvis? Owen Smith is coming off better than Eagle for me but lets be fair - to most of the country he is a complete non-entity

Impossible to argue with that post, well said to you.

I am just so disillusioned with the whole chaotic mess.

[the truth]

what about mcdonnell? could he have a go at the top job ? hes a pretty decent speaker? and he told the blairites they were ffing useless lol
alan aj johnson never went for it, which surprised me

who else is there? harriet haggard? kinnock junior? carwyn jones? what a shower

[kirklancaster]

All the impressive Labour moderates are afraid of stepping up. Where are the likes of Chuka Umanna and Dan Jarvis? Owen Smith is coming off better than Eagle for me but lets be fair - to most of the country he is a complete non-entity

Nail on head again.

[kirklancaster]

what about mcdonnell? could he have a go at the top job ? hes a pretty decent speaker? and he told the blairites they were ffing useless lol
alan aj johnson never went for it, which surprised me

who else is there? harriet haggard? kinnock junior? carwyn jones? what a shower

:joker::joker::joker: Great name Truth - I fecking DETEST the 'orrible woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All the impressive Labour moderates are afraid of stepping up. Where are the likes of Chuka Umanna and Dan Jarvis? Owen Smith is coming off better than Eagle for me but lets be fair - to most of the country he is a complete non-entity

are they that impressive as cowards?

[arista]

All the impressive Labour moderates are afraid of stepping up. Where are the likes of Chuka Umanna and Dan Jarvis? Owen Smith is coming off better than Eagle for me but lets be fair - to most of the country he is a complete non-entity


Yes MTVN
they are waiting for the BlairLabour Split
round the corner.......

[Northern Monkey]

I honestly won't be voting in the next GE at this rate.

[bots]

i think there is more to it than not wanting to blow it. These guys are ambitious, and that is usually accompanied by incredible self-belief. They take their chance, and go for it. Something else is going on, I'm more and more certain of it.

[kirklancaster]

A very good description Mr Kirk.:joker:

:laugh: The only answer LT deserves when he's just 'winding up' out of that naughty schoolboy mischief Joey. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

i think there is more to it than not wanting to blow it. These guys are ambitious, and that is usually accompanied by incredible self-belief. They take their chance, and go for it. Something else is going on, I'm more and more certain of it.

Hmmm... Intriguing. Any ideas BOTS?

[bots]

Hmmm... Intriguing. Any ideas BOTS?

i think there is nasty stuff going on at all levels, including threats and coercion. People seem to have quickly forgotten that Corbyn only made it on to the original leadership ballot with the help of a healthy dollop of coercion

[kirklancaster]

i think there is nasty stuff going on at all levels, including threats and coercion. People seem to have quickly forgotten that Corbyn only made it on to the original leadership ballot with the help of a healthy dollop of coercion

That's true as swell. We'll wait and see what's in store.

[MTVN]

There was some talk on the weekend that some Labour MPs may well leave politics for a few years. Those like Umana and Tristram Hunt were considered the rising stars of the party a few years ago and are now hated by the membership and led by a man whose politics is pretty distant to theirs. The likelihood is that Corbyn will be re-elected and so at best the current situation will continue or they may well find themselves facing deselection. With British politics as a whole to be dominated by Brexit the next few years and with Labour party politics to be dominated by the Corbynistas then you can see why they might not have the appetite to continue on the backbenches. If they're brave they might split and try to form a new party but if they don't think that will work then many may well just walk away from Westminster for a while and hope that Labour's Corbynite period will die of its own accord.

[jaxie]

They desperately need someone like Hilary Benn but he has said he wouldn't stand. Unfortunately if they keep electing these uninspiring people then they will continue to flounder. At this point I can't see them being elected again if they don't get a grip on it. The whole Corbyn thing is a fiasco and he stands no hope of being elected.

[Northern Monkey]

Listening to the Labour bird on Daily Politics Owen Smiths values seem very good.He's a socialist but not an idealist a la Corbyn,He's not a unilateralist with regards to Trident either which is important imo as our security is the most important issue.However he does'nt have a chance of winning.