EU exist boosts house prices

[Will.]

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[kirklancaster]

Shhh Will - Don't tell them on here. It doesn't fit in with all the panic and doomsaying. :laugh:

[Will.]

Shhh Will - Don't tell them on here. It doesn't fit in with all the panic and doomsaying. :laugh:

:laugh:

[MB.]

Well that's simply wonderful for everyone who doesn't own a home isn't it

[Will.]

I'm literally going to be living at home forever.

[kirklancaster]

Well that's simply wonderful for everyone who doesn't own a home isn't it

Then one must presume that they did not own a home prior to the Referendum result, so this news should not affect them really. To anyone intending to purchase a home, prices may be up, but interest rates are coming down - projected to be near zero again - so actually affording a home is going to become easier, and even in a booming property market, there are always bargain properties around.

All in all - this is great news.

[Black Dagger]

I'm sure it's absolutely fantastic news...

[kirklancaster]

I'm sure it's absolutely fantastic news...

I fear that you would be equally as facetious and damning if the report had said; 'Property prices fall due to Brexit'.

Time will tell which side is correct - me? I will put money on the 'Brexiteers' being proven correct.

[MB.]

I'm not sure there's anything "facetious" about young people being priced out of having somewhere decent to live Kirk

[MB.]

And if this turns into a debate about immigration then I'll gladly stick my head through a brick wall

[Headie]

Then one must presume that they did not own a home prior to the Referendum result, so this news should not affect them really.

Please explain how this makes any sense :laugh:

[Kizzy]

It's not across the country is it, only those who voted remain....you know, the sane, logical rational areas.

[joeysteele]

It is undeniably good for owners but very bad for those wanting to buy.

However,I know someone who had their house up for sale at £400,000 but have had to take a drastic drop in order to get it sold.

So maybe house prices up or down are more irrelevant than relevant possibly as to what they sell for in the end.
Of course also, we are not out of the EU 'yet',in fact there are no concrete plans as to how we will be out even yet either.

[billy123]

Well that's simply wonderful for everyone who doesn't own a home isn't itIf you are waiting for a good time to get on the housing ladder nobody will never own a property. There isnt one and never has been its bloody hard.
My first house absolutely crippled me financially for 10 years thats a high price to pay 10 years of having no money but now its done and paid off.
I know people that were moaning about house prices when i bought mine that are still moaning about them now and still pouring their money into Landlords pockets. The amount of money wasted on rent would have bought them a house instead of just moaning and doing nothing to help themselves.

[arista]

Shhh Will - Don't tell them on here. It doesn't fit in with all the panic and doomsaying. :laugh:


It has in Some Areas.


But Other Zones
Homes are Not Selling
but thats because the Prices are Well Above
what they should be.


Even Our New PM (Ref : PMQ's Weds Live)
informed the World
that a home in Liverpool
is Dirt Cheap.

[arista]

And if this turns into a debate about immigration then I'll gladly stick my head through a brick wall


MB leaving the EU is about Free Trade Global

ignore those that twist this,


MB stay strong

[Ammi]

..house prices don't ever really have any relevance when you're selling and buying..your home is worth more, you pay more for the one that you're buying etc so it all levels out, whether it be high house prices or low ones...it's all the same really ..it only really makes a difference when you're moving 'onto or off the ladder' as it were ..so definitely not good for the younger/first time buyers...my son and his partner have struggled to find something that they could afford but hopefully the one they hope to buy now, will go through ok...this must be a regional thing though anyway because many homes in my area dropped huge amounts almost overnight just after Brexit, so I can't see any rise here atm as they have 'catch back up' to happen first....

[joeysteele]

..house prices don't ever really have any relevance when you're selling and buying..your home is worth more, you pay more for the one that you're buying etc so it all levels out, whether it be high house prices or low ones...it's all the same really ..it's only really makes a difference when you're moving 'onto or off the ladder' as it were ..so definitely not good for the younger/first time buyers...my son and his partner have struggled to find something that they could afford but hopefully the one they hope to buy now, will go through ok...this must be a regional thing though anyway because many homes in my area dropped huge amounts almost overnight just after Brexit, so I can't see any rise here atm as they have 'catch back up' to happen first....

This says it all for me really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This surely is good news

Sheffield to get £1bn Sichuan Guodong Construction Group investment

"Councillor Leigh Bramall, deputy leader, said the money would create "hundreds, if not thousands, of additional jobs" in Sheffield."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-36846472

[letmein]

Shhh Will - Don't tell them on here. It doesn't fit in with all the panic and doomsaying. :laugh:

This isn't good news, dear. You do realize that things being more costly isn't good for consumers, right? Wait until Article 50 happens. Prices are going to go through the roof.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This isn't good news, dear. You do realize that things being more costly isn't good for consumers, right? Wait until Article 50 happens. Prices are going to go through the roof.

and you know this how?

[kirklancaster]

and you know this how?

The back pages of The Beano or Dandy I would hazard a guess.

[Toy Soldier]

The back pages of The Beano or Dandy I would hazard a guess.
You're unreasonably old, Kirk.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Oops.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-22/uk-economy-shows-dramatic-deterioration-after-brexit-vote/

Is it still scaremongering after its happened?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oops.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-22/uk-economy-shows-dramatic-deterioration-after-brexit-vote/

Is it still scaremongering after its happened?

from the article

"The data was collected between July 12 and 21,"


:laugh2:

[_Tom_]

from the article

"The data was collected between July 12 and 21,"


:laugh2:

Oops. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oops. :joker:

The dangers of not reading your own link


:joker:

[Toy Soldier]

World: "All indications show that Britain is headed towards recession and major ongoing financial troubles in the wake of the Brexit result."

Brexiteers: "Lol nah it's fine."

World: "Oh... Is it? But EVERYTHING suggests otherwise and not one shred of anything demonstrates that things will go the right way..."

Brexiteers: "Lol nah."

[AProducer'sWetDream]

The dangers of not reading your own link


:joker:

:conf: The editor in the report explains that "These figures are not official but history shows they have been very accurate. That makes them an accurate warning about the impact of Brexit." Try reading the link and watching the report yourself before you dismiss the evidence in front of you.

This report may only show a snapshot of the past few weeks, but that makes it all the more concerning that there has been such a big slump in such a short space of time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:conf: The editor in the report explains that "These figures are not official but history shows they have been very accurate. That makes them an accurate warning about the impact of Brexit." Try reading the link and watching the report yourself before you dismiss the evidence in front of you.

This report may only show a snapshot of the past few weeks, but that makes it all the more concerning that there has been such a big slump in such a short space of time.

Nigel Farage well before the vote explained that the economy was still in a downward spiral and that the pound, for example, has been in the toilet for the last 12 months. Every politician worth his salt said brexit would initially spook the markets as it has but that it is up to the Government and the BOE to relay fears and come up with a plan, which they are doing.

I am not sure what point you are making by posting the link?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Nigel Farage well before the vote explained that the economy was still in a downward spiral and that the pound, for example, has been in the toilet for the last 12 months. Every politician worth his salt said brexit would initially spook the markets as it has but that it is up to the Government and the BOE to relay fears and come up with a plan, which they are doing.

I am not sure what point you are making by posting the link?

Because some people denied that Brexit would spook the markets, and dismissed all the predictions as 'Project Fear'. The pound has been on a downward trajectory for a while, but it just fell off a cliff!

The report in this link is a warning that a recession could, potentially, be on the horizon. And I don't remember many politicians on the leave side admitting that could happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because some people denied that Brexit would spook the markets, and dismissed all the predictions as 'Project Fear'. The pound has been on a downward trajectory for a while, but it just fell off a cliff!

The report in this link is a warning that a recession could, potentially, be on the horizon. And I don't remember many politicians on the leave side admitting that could happen.

Which people denied that Brexit would spook the markets?

[Vicky.]

Great news for homeowners..bad news for others :p

[kirklancaster]

Because some people denied that Brexit would spook the markets, and dismissed all the predictions as 'Project Fear'. The pound has been on a downward trajectory for a while, but it just fell off a cliff!

The report in this link is a warning that a recession could, potentially, be on the horizon. And I don't remember many politicians on the leave side admitting that could happen.

If you REALLY believe what you are saying here, then you must have been living in a Parallel Universe during ALL the Referendum run up. :shrug:

[Ammi]

..the worry has been for me so far as the economy etc are concerned as that we won't really know any negative impact of Brexit for a long time, many months...these are not things that bring on 'overnight' or first few days or first few week changes that are indicative of anything long term....

[Toy Soldier]

..the worry has been for me so far as the economy etc are concerned as that we won't really know any negative impact of Brexit for a long time, many months...these are not things that bring on 'overnight' or first few days or first few week changes that are indicative of anything long term....
Even if (when) the negative impact long term does start to become obvious, those who supported Brexit will still swear you they're blue in the face that it isn't happening. Either that, or they'll brand it yet another "coincidence" that has nothing to do with Brexit and would have happened anyway.

[Kizzy]

Lol nah

The Brexit shock has given the economy "a good kicking" according to a special set of surveys of businesses taken in the wake of the European Union referendum vote, which suggest the UK economy is now contracting at its steepest pace since the last recession in early 2009.

The “dramatic deterioration” will significantly increase the odds of a major monetary stimulus from the Bank of England next month to support the economy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-shock-pushes-uk-services-and-manufacturing-into-contraction-says-new-survey-a7149901.html

[Toy Soldier]

Lol nah

The Brexit shock has given the economy "a good kicking" according to a special set of surveys of businesses taken in the wake of the European Union referendum vote, which suggest the UK economy is now contracting at its steepest pace since the last recession in early 2009.

The “dramatic deterioration” will significantly increase the odds of a major monetary stimulus from the Bank of England next month to support the economy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-shock-pushes-uk-services-and-manufacturing-into-contraction-says-new-survey-a7149901.html
This is actually a coincidence. There was an episode of EastEnders aired just after the referendum that featured Phil Mitchell making a comment about how spending too much on luxuries had left him feeling the pinch, and viewers - knowing about Phil Mitchell's financial savvy - took this to heart and so stopped spending in the retail sector which had a knock on effect on the wider economy very quickly.

So lol nah it wasn't Brexit it was actually Phil Mitchell. Clutching at straws blaming Brexit.

[Livia]

All the indicators I've seen say that house prices are falling. Isn't that a good thing? People selling will get less but the houses they're moving to are also cheaper. And first time buyers might get a chance to step on the housing ladder.

So... Brexit has caused house prices to rise. Bad.

Brexit has caused house prices to fall. Still bad.

What WILL satisfy remainers, I wonder? I'm sure they'll let us know eventually, I mean, they think they're so much more intelligent than people who voted out, right? Ask them... they'll tell you.

[Liam-]

All the indicators I've seen say that house prices are falling. Isn't that a good thing? People selling will get less but the houses they're moving to are also cheaper. And first time buyers might get a chance to step on the housing ladder.

So... Brexit has caused house prices to rise. Bad.

Brexit has caused house prices to fall. Still bad.

What WILL satisfy remainers, I wonder? I'm sure they'll let us know eventually, I mean, they think they're so much more intelligent than people who voted out, right? Ask them... they'll tell you.

You don't even have to ask some of them, they just outright tell you.

The housing market has been sky high for years before the referendum came about, it's not exactly a new thing, but if the Brexit allows house prices to fall, then it's just another good thing that's come about with the result, all those people worrying about never being able to step on the ladder, might have a greater chance of doing so and that's a great thing.

[Withano]

I love how pro-brexit people can read anything about brexit and be like THIS IS GOOD NEWS BECAUSE I HOPE SO. ****ing no. Stop and think.

Home owners homes are worth more. Great? No. If they sell there house, they wont be better off, other houses are also worth more. No difference.
Those who dont own homes are now more ****ed.

This is more negative than positive... Obviously.

[Livia]

I love how pro-brexit people can read anything about brexit and be like THIS IS GOOD NEWS BECAUSE I HOPE SO. ****ing no. Stop and think.

Home owners homes are worth more. Great? No. If they sell there house, they wont be better off, other houses are also worth more. No difference.
Those who dont own homes are now more ****ed.

This is more negative than positive... Obviously.

Obviously. I wonder where this story came from? Because it's the opposite of what's actually happening.

[Kizzy]

All the indicators I've seen say that house prices are falling. Isn't that a good thing? People selling will get less but the houses they're moving to are also cheaper. And first time buyers might get a chance to step on the housing ladder.

So... Brexit has caused house prices to rise. Bad.

Brexit has caused house prices to fall. Still bad.

What WILL satisfy remainers, I wonder? I'm sure they'll let us know eventually, I mean, they think they're so much more intelligent than people who voted out, right? Ask them... they'll tell you.

Yes ask me...I'll tell you, all you are responsible for the structured decline of the UK you that put your faith in Farage, Boris Johnson, Gove and the other brexit boneheads...where are they now? What is the big plan? Where's the strategy?

Oh yes that's right we need 500+ 'experts' ( even though experts are sooo last year) to dig us out of the ****storm of our making.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes what i am doing is looking at the housing market to inform me of the economy and of life in general. Because greed and the ability to sh1t on others is EXACTLY my measure

:clap1:

its an indicator but people, lets not kid ourselves

[Livia]

Yes ask me...I'll tell you, all you are responsible for the structured decline of the UK you that put your faith in Farage, Boris Johnson, Gove and the other brexit boneheads...where are they now? What is the big plan? Where's the strategy?

Oh yes that's right we need 500+ 'experts' ( even though experts are sooo last year) to dig us out of the ****storm of our making.

I guess this is where we differ. I didn't put my faith in Farage, Boris and the rest of who you term "boneheads". For a long time on here I said I was undecided. I read and I researched and in the end I came to the conclusion that I would vote to leave.

I'm fairly well-educated and quite intelligent. Because you voted differently from me doesn't make YOU more intelligent, it just means you reached a different conclusion.

So please... don't wag your finger at me, it makes you look ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

I guess this is where we differ. I didn't put my faith in Farage, Boris and the rest of who you term "boneheads". For a long time on here I said I was undecided. I read and I researched and in the end I came to the conclusion that I would vote to leave.

I'm fairly well-educated and quite intelligent. Because you voted differently from me doesn't make YOU more intelligent, it just means you reached a different conclusion.

So please... don't wag your finger at me, it makes you look ridiculous.

I'm not wagging anything, your 'educated' decision will have proved to be the most ridiculous one you EVER made.

Of that I'm sure.

[Livia]

I'm not wagging anything, your 'educated' decision will have proved to be the most ridiculous one you EVER made.

Of that I'm sure.

In your under-educated opinion.

We'll see, won't we.

[Kizzy]

In your under-educated opinion.

We'll see, won't we.

:joker::joker::joker: Mock away liv, I hope your humble pie isn't as bitter as your tone.

[kirklancaster]

Yes ask me...I'll tell you, all you are responsible for the structured decline of the UK you that put your faith in Farage, Boris Johnson, Gove and the other brexit boneheads...where are they now? What is the big plan? Where's the strategy?

Oh yes that's right we need 500+ 'experts' ( even though experts are sooo last year) to dig us out of the ****storm of our making.

:facepalm: It is not even 5 weeks since the Referendum result - NOT actual Brexit - just the result of the Referendum, and NOTHING has occurred which was not both FORECAST to occur, and therefore EXPECTED to occur, by EXPERTS in BOTH the Remain AND Leave camps.

What is more, the said forecast and expected negative reactions are TEMPORARY and NOWHERE near as adverse as during other recessions and slumps throughout our long turbulent economic history.

Your views (Not YOU personally, I stress, for I do not want reporting and banning) are absolutely banal, disingenuous, and now so repetitive, I actually SHY from reading fecking SD because it is becoming a borefest and increasingly more resembles a melancholic depressives convention than a forum.

Your views, and those equally as ill informed and hysterically OTT panicky views like it, are going to look extremely FOOLISH in the near future WHEN we have ACTUALLY Brexited, and we have a more prosperous, safer, economically booming Britain as a result.

And I personally am so sick of reading the same GROUNDLESS, UNWARRANTED, DOOM-SAYING codswallop, that , I for one will NOT let you forget it. :laugh: :wavey:

NOTE: Smilie and wavey emoticon added to show no intentional unfriendliness.

[kirklancaster]

I love the way my innocuous satirical 'We're All Doomed' response to T.S. has been removed yet his response to me stating that I am 'unreasonably old' remains for posterity.

[Toy Soldier]

I love the way my innocuous satirical 'We're All Doomed' response to T.S. has been removed yet his response to me stating that I am 'unreasonably old' remains for posterity.

It's because I'm more handsome than you, and I have a larger penis.

[kirklancaster]

Please explain how this makes any sense :laugh:

I'm sorry for not addressing this sooner Hayden - it is not through ignorance, but more the reality that a proper adequate response will be complex and lengthy, and I KNOW from experience that the FACTS which I support my post with will be ignored and unfairly passed off as 'OPINION' certain members, and that my own LONG experience of the Property Market will be similarly discounted.

There ARE several GENUINE reasons just why a rising market coupled with falling interest rates ARE good news for First Time Buyers - or for that matter, Buyers in general, but in short Hayden - detailing as much is so futile as to be not worth the effort.

[kirklancaster]

It's because I'm more handsome than you, and I have a larger penis.

I very much doubt both, but your 'face' obviously fits better than mine on here.

[Toy Soldier]

What WILL satisfy remainers, I wonder? I'm sure they'll let us know eventually, I mean, they think they're so much more intelligent than people who voted out, right? Ask them... they'll tell you.

........


In your under-educated opinion.

:hehe: Beautiful, like a rainbow.

[Toy Soldier]

I very much doubt both, but your 'face' obviously fits better than mine on here.

Incorrect Kirk, there are more people posting who agree with you "in general" than who agree with me and "my side".

If you FEEL outnumbered, it's only because your troops are weaker :idc:. There are "more of you".

[Toy Soldier]

the FACTS which I support my post with will be ignored and unfairly passed off as 'OPINION' certain members

Inside Kirk's head:

SWrG6l-5CAg

[kirklancaster]

Incorrect Kirk, there are more people posting who agree with you "in general" than who agree with me and "my side".

If you FEEL outnumbered, it's only because your troops are weaker :idc:. There are "more of you".

Oh yes - you are correct there T.S. - far more of my posts across this forum receive applause and compliments than do yours, but I am not referring to the members, as you well know.

Incidentally, members on here - like the GBP which you continually denigrate as thick, uninformed, and like sheep - are rather intelligent and very discerning -- hence the disparity in followers and admirers.

People have a great propensity for the truth and can recognise superficial B.S. when they read it -- no matter how well it is wrapped in self-satisfying 'clever clogs' pseudo satirical claptrap.

I post in earnest. I mean what I say and say what I mean, and I base my posts on my existing knowledge and extensive research to supplement and qualify that existing knowledge.

And there ARE a lot of posters JUST LIKE ME.

It is all too easy and disingenuous to merely pop in and out of threads with psycho-babble laden snipes that say nothing and add nothing to the debate.

But you carry on T.S. - you may fool some, but not me.

[kirklancaster]

Inside Kirk's head:

SWrG6l-5CAg

Ah you see, this will remain, where MY innocuous post was removed, but then again,I do not unjustifiably reach for the report button and nor do my friends.

[Toy Soldier]

What butt-hurt nonsense Kirk, you know fine well that I don't "just pop in and out of threads with snipes" and your suggestion that the only people who "post in earnest" are the ones who happen to agree with you is laughable. Also, your claim that anything posted that you don't quite grasp is "pseudo-psychological clap-trap" is as tiresome as ever... But not surprising. "We don't want any vaguely academic opinion, we're only interested in the pus spewed by salt of the earth pub-roaches!" is the Brexit mantra, isn't it?

"He's saying big words! Big words about the brain and things! Hogwash! "
Ah you see, this will remain, where MY innocuous post was removed, but then again,I do not unjustifiably reach for the report button and nor do my friends.
:joker: get over it Kirk, people aren't running around reporting your posts. Shock, horror - I get infractions too! I just don't whine about it like a child whose had his pocket money confiscated. I ignore it and move on.

[Toy Soldier]

(It's also perfectly innocuous, it's part of a kids film which quite cleverly points out that a lot of people can't tell the difference between their opinions, and facts, muddling them together in the boxes in their heads. Something which you suffer from quite badly. This illustrates it well. I'm trying to help not offend!)

[kirklancaster]

What butt-hurt nonsense Kirk, you know fine well that I don't "just pop in and out of threads with snipes" and your suggestion that the only people who "post in earnest" are the ones who happen to agree with you is laughable. Also, your claim that anything posted that you don't quite grasp is "pseudo-psychological clap-trap" is as tiresome as ever... But not surprising. "We don't want any vaguely academic opinion, we're only interested in the pus spewed by salt of the earth pub-roaches!" is the Brexit mantra, isn't it?

"He's saying big words! Big words about the brain and things! Hogwash! "

:joker: get over it Kirk, people aren't running around reporting your posts. Shock, horror - I get infractions too! I just don't whine about it like a child whose had his pocket money confiscated. I ignore it and move on.


You are totally delusional T.S - and believing your own B.S which you keep posting.

Why don't you just DEBATE if you have something valid to add to a discussion.?

I love humour, and I often use it to lighten a debate but you USE what you think is funny - and is not - INSTEAD of debating.

Again - it is clear that you feel intellectually superior to everyone else WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU - for just LOOK at your post:

"Also, your claim that anything posted that you don't quite grasp is "pseudo-psychological clap-trap" is as tiresome as ever... But not surprising. "We don't want any vaguely academic opinion, we're only interested in the pus spewed by salt of the earth pub-roaches!" is the Brexit mantra, isn't it?

"He's saying big words! Big words about the brain and things! Hogwash! "
"

You really have a grossly distorted, massively inflated, delusional opinion of yourself, don't you?

There are not many things which I don't grasp, and please do not assume or presume that you are somehow intellectually superior to me, or more knowledgeable, because, let me assure you - YOU are quite simply NOT.

[Toy Soldier]

You are totally delusional T.S - and believing your own B.S which you keep posting.

Why don't you just DEBATE if you have something valid to add to a discussion.?

I love humour, and I often use it to lighten a debate but you USE what you think is funny - and is not - INSTEAD of debating.

Again - it is clear that you feel intellectually superior to everyone else WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU - for just LOOK at your post:

"Also, your claim that anything posted that you don't quite grasp is "pseudo-psychological clap-trap" is as tiresome as ever... But not surprising. "We don't want any vaguely academic opinion, we're only interested in the pus spewed by salt of the earth pub-roaches!" is the Brexit mantra, isn't it?

"He's saying big words! Big words about the brain and things! Hogwash! "
"

You really have a grossly distorted, massively inflated, delusional opinion of yourself, don't you?

There are not many things which I don't grasp, and please do not assume or presume that you are somehow intellectually superior to me, or more knowledgeable, because, let me assure you - YOU are quite simply NOT.

If you understoodnit you wouldn't be dismissing it out of hand as "clap-trap". It is YOU who is insisting that you don't understand, no one else. Or could it be that it's just convenient for you to dismiss what I have to say as "pseudo-intellectual clap-trap" because it's easier than actually trying to get to grips with that alternative view? There's no one on here more stubbornly set and self-assured in their own opinions than you, Kirk. Maybe on an even footing, but don't be painting yourself as open-minded, that's a ludicrous claim.

Its hard to "debate" with someone who you know will just trot out the same old "clap trap" lines so I now rarely bother.

What I do find quite interesting though, is that it is not and has never been me bleating about or bigging up my own intelligence other than in jest. Rather, it's the people who seem to feel that THEIR ideas about THEIR OWN intelligence are being somehow challenged, who get the most upset about it. Funny, that.

[Maru]

I would think housing prices would be the least of Brexit's primary concern but I'm not well-informed on the topic tbh. I know some of the disagreements parallel issues we are working through within our own culture. It's much easier to just leave an a physical location here and find an affordable place to live in a rural location and still have room to grow. So housing prices aren't covered as closely as other areas such as job/salary growth. Most people seem to fall in line with the same thinking in Ammi's post (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8838862&postcount=17).

I wonder if our own country will be put under such a similar scrutiny with regards to the economy after the national election is over. So many predictions going back and forth about the effect socially and politically, (especially in the case if Trump is elected), but the economy has only been loosely covered compared to those two areas even though it's just as relevant to the health of a country.

It's clear both our cultures are going through a dramatic shift from the status quo, sped up by social media and by new wave politics. A lot will have changed before things things settle and start to feel normal again. It's easy to get upset about it, but I find it reassuring because if you ask me, we were all becoming too complacent in an environment that is ever changing and we needed to get serious about discussing these issues and quit sugarcoating our own culture.

In Brexit's case, the vote did not go one side's preferred direction, but this is a chance to remove global interdependence and to more concretely define and develop one's own cultural lines and value systems further beyond fluffy ideals and arbitrary standpoints.

At least I can say this for the US, we have been bystanders in our own destiny for far too long due to the public's complacency and it can only be a good thing to have a public so emotionally and spiritually involved in it's future.

So much going on in Europe and US. It looks bad, but I think that ultimately it will be beneficial for us or in the very least, create experiences to draw from in which we can improve... (as may be the case if the US elects Trump).

I'll let you know if my home's worth drops dramatically in price here if Trump is elected. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I'm not sure there's anything "facetious" about young people being priced out of having somewhere decent to live Kirk

Depends entirely what you mean by "decent".

There are plenty affordable "decent" places to live for young people.