Which European country will be the first to submit to Allah? Muslims think they know

[Liberty4eva]

France, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Britain? Which lucky country do you think will be blessed with Sharia Law first? Muslims think they know.

Denmark.

Daily headlines prove that Europe is bursting at the seams with Islamists attempting to establish Sharia law and homegrown terror plots. France is ablaze with radicals, ISIS threatens they will send Spain back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and Britain is much too concerned with appeasing Muslims that they are doing away with their own citizens’ free speech.

The world is idly watching to see which European country will fall to Islamic rule, creating the first Muslim nation.

According to TMI, Muslims have already established which country will be the first to cave to Sharia:

A website claiming to be the Danish Muslim Party (DAMP) published a “press release” in English and Danish, saying that Denmark will be the first Muslim nation in Europe.

The website also stated as follows:

“[W]e can assure you that everything will be better in Muslim Denmark: No drugs, no crime, peace, and humanity – instead of drug culture, immorality, possibly human rights crimes and violence which we have now.”

“Every immigrant or Muslim in Danish jails should be released from prisons, because it is possible that there has been plotting or framing or provocation towards them – and all cases should be investigated again carefully.”

“Muslim party will be biggest party of Denmark – and it may be soon. First day after Turkey becomes EU member country – about one million 20-50 year old Muslims [may] move to Denmark, and after that Denmark [may] be a Muslim country. Be ready!”

“Danish Muslim party’s only agenda is to get Muslims into Danish politics and into the parliament, no matter what our ideas and religious or political beliefs are.”

Mathaba News Network cites that 700,000 Muslims live in Denmark, and about one-third of the Danish parliament is Muslim. With this large of a percentage of Islamists in government, Muslims are seeing their religious views established in legislature under the guise of anti-discrimination.

According to the website, riots and violence from the Muslim community is a direct response to the mistreatment of Muslims, and can be solved by integrating them into politics.

[arista]

You need a Update, Britain, is leaving the EU
so no way will Britain go that way from now.
In around 2 or more years we are out of the EU
once Contract 50 stars.

So you would have to do a separate thread
for us.


On Europe it will Never be France
they are Armed
and ready to Kill every Terrorist Fast
without a blink.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/26/23/369B860C00000578-0-French_authorities_say_they_have_arrested_a_third_ man_in_connect-a-12_1469571513476.jpg
Well Done Special French Police
the World salutes you

[jennyjuniper]

I live in Denmark and as far as I know the government and a large percentage of the population are left/conservative. I doubt that so many Turkish muslims would be allowed to come here. For the first time in years, the police have established checks at the border between Denmark and Germany. The benefit system is not as accessable as for example Britain, or not so much a soft touch anyway.

[user104658]

Is your username supposed to be ironic?

[Northern Monkey]

Germany would be most likely with Merkel in charge.However it's unlikely.The sensible citizens would not allow it.

[Alf]

Sweden

Possibly within the next two years.

[jennyjuniper]

Sweden

Possibly within the next two years.

From what I've been hearing, the swedes have had enough too.

[Niamh.]

I doubt any European country would ever "submit" to Allah or Sharia law

[Withano]

You need a Update, Britain, is leaving the EU
so no way will Britain go that way from now.
In around 2 or more years we are out of the EU
once Contract 50 stars.

So you would have to do a separate thread
for us.


On Europe it will Never be France
they are Armed
and ready to Kill every Terrorist Fast
without a blink.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/26/23/369B860C00000578-0-French_authorities_say_they_have_arrested_a_third_ man_in_connect-a-12_1469571513476.jpg
Well Done Special French Police
the World salutes you

What does killing terrorists have to do with any country becoming muslim?
The OP is ridiculous, I get that nobody is sure how to respond but I'm not sure you understand EU, Brexit, muslims or terrorists. You made some weird connections all over the place.

[VanessaFeltz.]

why nobody is doing anything about this

they are killing everybody and destroying the society not in just middle east but in EUROPE

[arista]

What does killing terrorists have to do with any country becoming muslim?
The OP is ridiculous, I get that nobody is sure how to respond but I'm not sure you understand EU, Brexit, muslims or terrorists. You made some weird connections all over the place.




It simply means That Nation (France)
would never become Muslim.

[arista]

why nobody is doing anything about this

they are killing everybody and destroying the society not in just middle east but in EUROPE


France is air Bombing in Syria
And is in a State of Emergency
which means all terrorists will be killed FAST

France has many Ex African Nations
it still has a Army in a few, of those nations

So France , sadly will get many more Evil Isis Attacks

And I hope more Snipers will be brought in faster
to kill all Isis Terrorists

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/27/11/36A1E90B00000578-0-image-a-19_1469615072635.jpg
[Continent of fear: This map shows the
number of deaths in each city
in terror-related attacks since 2014.
Paris has been hit hardest with 137
of the 155 people being killed
on November 17, when ISIS carried
out a series of coordinated attacks]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710455/Continent-fear-Terrifying-map-shows-443-victims-killed-18-deadly-terror-attacks-two-years-Europe.html#ixzz4FcdZ68c0

[Northern Monkey]

I wonder if the leaders of EU nations have some kind of limit as to how many European citizens can be killed or injured before they take some kind of action.I mean there has to be a breaking point somewhere.If the leaders are'nt willing to react then the people will in the end.There will be a civil war accross Europe if the people are'nt being defended by the people they elect.

[jennyjuniper]

France, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Britain? Which lucky country do you think will be blessed with Sharia Law first? Muslims think they know.

Denmark.

Daily headlines prove that Europe is bursting at the seams with Islamists attempting to establish Sharia law and homegrown terror plots. France is ablaze with radicals, ISIS threatens they will send Spain back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and Britain is much too concerned with appeasing Muslims that they are doing away with their own citizens’ free speech.

The world is idly watching to see which European country will fall to Islamic rule, creating the first Muslim nation.

According to TMI, Muslims have already established which country will be the first to cave to Sharia:

A website claiming to be the Danish Muslim Party (DAMP) published a “press release” in English and Danish, saying that Denmark will be the first Muslim nation in Europe.

The website also stated as follows:

“[W]e can assure you that everything will be better in Muslim Denmark: No drugs, no crime, peace, and humanity – instead of drug culture, immorality, possibly human rights crimes and violence which we have now.”

“Every immigrant or Muslim in Danish jails should be released from prisons, because it is possible that there has been plotting or framing or provocation towards them – and all cases should be investigated again carefully.”

“Muslim party will be biggest party of Denmark – and it may be soon. First day after Turkey becomes EU member country – about one million 20-50 year old Muslims [may] move to Denmark, and after that Denmark [may] be a Muslim country. Be ready!”

“Danish Muslim party’s only agenda is to get Muslims into Danish politics and into the parliament, no matter what our ideas and religious or political beliefs are.”

Mathaba News Network cites that 700,000 Muslims live in Denmark, and about one-third of the Danish parliament is Muslim. With this large of a percentage of Islamists in government, Muslims are seeing their religious views established in legislature under the guise of anti-discrimination.

According to the website, riots and violence from the Muslim community is a direct response to the mistreatment of Muslims, and can be solved by integrating them into politics.

It could be any democratic country because that's how the radicals thrive by using our democracy against us. As soon as they get what they want it's goodbye democracy and hello the middle ages.

[Withano]

It simply means That Nation (France)
would never become Muslim.

It doesnt mean that at all, youve made up some weird nonsensical connections.

[arista]

It doesnt mean that at all


It Does
I have French People working for me.


Speak to French people in Paris
Enough is Enough
France will Never Ever Change into
a Crazy Muslim Nation

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about Danish Bacon?


:worry:

[Liberty4eva]

I doubt any European country would ever "submit" to Allah or Sharia law

I'll bet you would be too afraid to tell that to these people...
http://newsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/muslim-demostration-image-3-476x264.jpg

[Niamh.]

I'll bet you would be too afraid to tell that to these people...
https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-k9uNhpTOAhWGG5AKHRdMAzAQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsl.org%2F2015%2F10%2Fthe-rise-of-islam-the-fall-of-europe-is-america-next%2F&psig=AFQjCNFTQdUL6Heoy14jzDcKUGo58KTgfg&ust=1469722757782257

That picture isn't working for me. Also, over here we're almost rid of the Catholic Church having a strangle hold over the country, we're not going to roll over and let another bloody religion step in to replace it

[Liberty4eva]

I wonder if the leaders of EU nations have some kind of limit as to how many European citizens can be killed or injured before they take some kind of action.I mean there has to be a breaking point somewhere.If the leaders are'nt willing to react then the people will in the end.There will be a civil war accross Europe if the people are'nt being defended by the people they elect.

I can tell you that the world is watching what is happening in Europe and taking notes. Right now I am actually in Brazil on vacation. I was at a local gym this morning and there was a girl who said they didn't mind foreigners as long as they weren't Muslim. She just randomly said that without me bringing it up at all. Some people in Brazil were arrested on suspicion of plotting terrorism for the Olympics and people here are afraid of Muslims. It's not just in Europe or America.

[Liberty4eva]

That picture isn't working for me. Also, over here we're almost rid of the Catholic Church having a strangle hold over the country, we're not going to roll over and let another bloody religion step in to replace it

Now the picture should work. :smug:

[Ninastar]

I dont think any european country will 'submit to allah' but I do wonder how many more innocent people will be murdered before something is actually done. Its every day now, its disgusting.

[Liberty4eva]

Is your username supposed to be ironic?

No. I believe in liberty. Liberty forever!

[Northern Monkey]

It would'nt happen until the Muslim populations of western countries outnumbered the indigenous populations and they get a strong foothold in the political parties and positions of power in major cities and the native people wouldn't take it laying down.For a long time these islamic governments would not be able to control the people.It would take a long time to subdue them and it would be a very bloody process.We may be at the birth of it if things went terribly wrong in the next half century or so but it's unlikely and wouldn't succeed in our lifetimes.
Imo

[arista]

What about Danish Bacon?


:worry:


Yes a Great Import.


Buy them in Dollars

[Anaesthesia]

I think the first country it will be tried upon is the UK, now that we have such division from the rest of Europe and even from our own island countries. There is a huge muslim presence here, and already use of sharia law in places such as Birmingham, Bradford and Slough.

Easy target imo.

[Scarlett.]

Oh sure, a minority of a minority group is really going to take over a country like the UK, 5.02% of the country is Muslim, and probably about 0.01% of those are Extremist Muslims. This whole idea of Muslims taking over is absolute bull****.

[jaxie]

I read somewhere they have Sharia councils in the UK. I would have thought that was a conflict the proper laws of the country? Like how can a group just set up a council and say you are divorced and such?

[Maru]

I dont think any european country will 'submit to allah' but I do wonder how many more innocent people will be murdered before something is actually done. Its every day now, its disgusting.

We take for granted that we live all the way across the pond and really only have Canada and Mexico as neighbors... Donald Trump just doesn't understand how easy we have it (comparatively speaking)

Going to be two every expensive walls though

CVvPPQ3SvAQ

[user104658]

Oh sure, a minority of a minority group is really going to take over a country like the UK, 5.02% of the country is Muslim, and probably about 0.01% of those are Extremist Muslims. This whole idea of Muslims taking over is absolute bull****.
There's no point posting reasonable things like this any more, this forum has sadly descended into hilarious xenophobic hysteria at this point. Lost cause. I've given up and have decided to just enjoy it like some sort of twisted satire.

[the truth]

Oh sure, a minority of a minority group is really going to take over a country like the UK, 5.02% of the country is Muslim, and probably about 0.01% of those are Extremist Muslims. This whole idea of Muslims taking over is absolute bull****.

numbers are irrelevant when youre dealing with mass mass mass murderers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh sure, a minority of a minority group is really going to take over a country like the UK, 5.02% of the country is Muslim, and probably about 0.01% of those are Extremist Muslims. This whole idea of Muslims taking over is absolute bull****.

how do you work out those stats?

evidence please

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's no point posting reasonable things like this any more, this forum has sadly descended into hilarious xenophobic hysteria at this point. Lost cause. I've given up and have decided to just enjoy it like some sort of twisted satire.

Its not reasonable TS is hyperbole to support a view

its not based on evidence

but then you are an apologist so you many as well just clap1 it

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/11/24_survation_fc.jpg

[user104658]

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/11/24_survation_fc.jpg
Did you accidentally post this? It shows falling support for extremism. I can only assume you didn't mean to post it.

[user104658]

Its not reasonable TS is hyperbole to support a view

its not based on evidence

but then you are an apologist so you many as well just clap1 it

:nono: you know damn well that I hate that emoticon.

And are we really talking about things based on evidence in a thread called "Which planet is going to invade first: Mars or Jupiter?"

... That's what it was called, right? Or some sort of leprechaun anxiety? I can't remember, on Tapatalk and can't see the thread title. But it was something ****ing daft like that.

[empire]

lets understand this that if europe had elected these people five years ago, viktor orban, marine le pen, robert fico, nigel farage, to the high positions in the EU, not one single refugee would set foot in any country in europe, we would not have mass rape and sexual assualts of children and women of all ages, and the isis attacks would never of happened, and britain would of stayed in the EU, but because people know that we are getting closer to a civil war, and people have no choice but to fight it or vote for an authoritarian party or have a military junta and thats what will happen, because what western europe lacks is what eastern europe has, strong leadership and very tough parties, western europe has a very weak wet leaders who still live in the pacifist dream, europe has moved on from having any faith to dictate are way of life, and if merkel and her wet elites keep on supressing people who want to fight back then your going to have a very big nasty mob to over throw you, one of the worst things you could do is make an enemy of your people,

[user104658]

Vast majority of the attacks in the West have been perpetrated by people who have been living in European countries for much longer than five years... Yet magically, if a bunch of fascists had been elected into EU leadership 5 years ago, "none" of these attacks would have happened, because they wouldnt have "let in any immigrants". Makes perfect sense really.

We would all have received our magic beans in the post by now, too. Damn immigrants, coming over here, raping our magic beans.

[the truth]

Vast majority of the attacks in the West have been perpetrated by people who have been living in European countries for much longer than five years... Yet magically, if a bunch of fascists had been elected into EU leadership 5 years ago, "none" of these attacks would have happened, because they wouldnt have "let in any immigrants". Makes perfect sense really.

We would all have received our magic beans in the post by now, too. Damn immigrants, coming over here, raping our magic beans.

thats the most ott post ive ever read. this is a time for seriousness....clearly the open borders and schengen has simply opened the floodgates to jihadi terrorists, for many years and its now worse than ever. the combination fo corporations sponsoring bombing campaigns creating refugee crisises and open borders has lead us straight to hell...all thanks to the neo liberal masterplan

[Livia]

What does killing terrorists have to do with any country becoming muslim?
The OP is ridiculous, I get that nobody is sure how to respond but I'm not sure you understand EU, Brexit, muslims or terrorists. You made some weird connections all over the place.

IS has made it clear that they will not stop until their flag is flying over every country in the West. Their aim is to make all countries Muslim - obviously their own brand of Islam, not any old kind of Islam - and we are all governed by Sharia law. Basically they want to drag us back to the Stone Age. This is their aim. People who commit terrorist atrocities in the west on behalf of IS believe they are working toward that aim so killing them is a good thing.

The EU has allowed countless migrants into the country with no idea how many of them are connected to IS. If I was in charge of IS, I'd make sure that as many of those refugees as possible were my people. This is why I believe that refugees should enter via UN camps after being properly vetted. with priority given to families.

[kirklancaster]

There's no point posting reasonable things like this any more, this forum has sadly descended into hilarious xenophobic hysteria at this point. Lost cause. I've given up and have decided to just enjoy it like some sort of twisted satire.

:facepalm: You really need to stop this T.S. This forum has NOT descended into xenophobic hysteria - hilarious - or otherwise, and for someone who decries Religion, your posts are becoming increasingly 'God-like'; "I sayeth it, and so it must be.... Proof? What proof?"

[Niamh.]

IS has made it clear that they will not stop until their flag is flying over every country in the West. Their aim is to make all countries Muslim - obviously their own brand of Islam, not any old kind of Islam - and we are all governed by Sharia law. Basically they want to drag us back to the Stone Age. This is their aim. People who commit terrorist atrocities in the west on behalf of IS believe they are working toward that aim so killing them is a good thing.

The EU has allowed countless migrants into the country with no idea how many of them are connected to IS. If I was in charge of IS, I'd make sure that as many of those refugees as possible were my people. This is why I believe that refugees should enter via UN camps after being properly vetted. with priority given to families.

Yeah, I think that's vital now

[user104658]

:facepalm: You really need to stop this T.S. This forum has NOT descended into xenophobic hysteria - hilarious - or otherwise, and for someone who decries Religion, your posts are becoming increasingly 'God-like'; "I sayeth it, and so it must be.... Proof? What proof?"
Sorry, I forgot to say "in my opiniyawn" again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry, I forgot to say "in my opiniyawn" again.

Yes but TS if you are not pulling out your tattered "race card" you seem to have now obtained a laminated "xenophobia one"

:shrug:

[user104658]

Yes but TS if you are not pulling out your tattered "race card" you seem to have now obtained a laminated "xenophobia one"

:shrug:
Sadly that's just the way the world is going at present :shrug:.

And I'm not allowed to say "racist" :hee:.

[Northern Monkey]

IS has made it clear that they will not stop until their flag is flying over every country in the West. Their aim is to make all countries Muslim - obviously their own brand of Islam, not any old kind of Islam - and we are all governed by Sharia law. Basically they want to drag us back to the Stone Age. This is their aim. People who commit terrorist atrocities in the west on behalf of IS believe they are working toward that aim so killing them is a good thing.

The EU has allowed countless migrants into the country with no idea how many of them are connected to IS. If I was in charge of IS, I'd make sure that as many of those refugees as possible were my people. This is why I believe that refugees should enter via UN camps after being properly vetted. with priority given to families.Exactly.Europe needs to stop Fannying around and get a grip on its borders and the security of its people rather than welcoming in hundreds terrorists masquerading as refugees.There needs to be a system in place for taking in refugees and they(refugees) need to know that their only chance of getting into European countries is via the proper channels.

[arista]

Sadly that's just the way the world is going at present :shrug:.

And I'm not allowed to say "racist" :hee:.

TS you do not need to.


You are on a Better Level
which is good for all of tibb

[Ninastar]

IS has made it clear that they will not stop until their flag is flying over every country in the West. Their aim is to make all countries Muslim - obviously their own brand of Islam, not any old kind of Islam - and we are all governed by Sharia law. Basically they want to drag us back to the Stone Age. This is their aim. People who commit terrorist atrocities in the west on behalf of IS believe they are working toward that aim so killing them is a good thing.

The EU has allowed countless migrants into the country with no idea how many of them are connected to IS. If I was in charge of IS, I'd make sure that as many of those refugees as possible were my people. This is why I believe that refugees should enter via UN camps after being properly vetted. with priority given to families.

brilliantly well said. as awful as the refugee situtation is, I think we might have done more damage than good with letting so many in with so little care. It's only going to get so much worse and the news doesn't help with how biased it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sadly that's just the way the world is going at present :shrug:.

And I'm not allowed to say "racist" :hee:.


It is the result of Globalisation

[Mystic Mock]

France, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Britain? Which lucky country do you think will be blessed with Sharia Law first? Muslims think they know.

Denmark.

Daily headlines prove that Europe is bursting at the seams with Islamists attempting to establish Sharia law and homegrown terror plots. France is ablaze with radicals, ISIS threatens they will send Spain back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and Britain is much too concerned with appeasing Muslims that they are doing away with their own citizens’ free speech.

The world is idly watching to see which European country will fall to Islamic rule, creating the first Muslim nation.

According to TMI, Muslims have already established which country will be the first to cave to Sharia:

A website claiming to be the Danish Muslim Party (DAMP) published a “press release” in English and Danish, saying that Denmark will be the first Muslim nation in Europe.

The website also stated as follows:

“[W]e can assure you that everything will be better in Muslim Denmark: No drugs, no crime, peace, and humanity – instead of drug culture, immorality, possibly human rights crimes and violence which we have now.”

“Every immigrant or Muslim in Danish jails should be released from prisons, because it is possible that there has been plotting or framing or provocation towards them – and all cases should be investigated again carefully.”

“Muslim party will be biggest party of Denmark – and it may be soon. First day after Turkey becomes EU member country – about one million 20-50 year old Muslims [may] move to Denmark, and after that Denmark [may] be a Muslim country. Be ready!”

“Danish Muslim party’s only agenda is to get Muslims into Danish politics and into the parliament, no matter what our ideas and religious or political beliefs are.”

Mathaba News Network cites that 700,000 Muslims live in Denmark, and about one-third of the Danish parliament is Muslim. With this large of a percentage of Islamists in government, Muslims are seeing their religious views established in legislature under the guise of anti-discrimination.

According to the website, riots and violence from the Muslim community is a direct response to the mistreatment of Muslims, and can be solved by integrating them into politics.

This is the very definition of scaremongering.

But I suppose when it's what you want to hear then it's alright.


No way would that Party get away with releasing prisoners because they "might" be innocent, the people wouldn't stand for it, neither would other Governmental Parties in Denmark.

[Mystic Mock]

You need a Update, Britain, is leaving the EU
so no way will Britain go that way from now.
In around 2 or more years we are out of the EU
once Contract 50 stars.

So you would have to do a separate thread
for us.


On Europe it will Never be France
they are Armed
and ready to Kill every Terrorist Fast
without a blink.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/26/23/369B860C00000578-0-French_authorities_say_they_have_arrested_a_third_ man_in_connect-a-12_1469571513476.jpg
Well Done Special French Police
the World salutes you

EU or out of the EU we are still a European country, and our parties want Muslims in the UK so we are relevant to this topic, very much so.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh sure, a minority of a minority group is really going to take over a country like the UK, 5.02% of the country is Muslim, and probably about 0.01% of those are Extremist Muslims. This whole idea of Muslims taking over is absolute bull****.

I get what you're saying Chewy, and I agree with you to an extent that this "Muslims are taking over the world" story is getting fabricated.

However when I was at both my Schools, I had about three Muslim friends in total (well one was an acquaintance of one of my other friends) and let's just say that the ones that I weren't friends with had either extremely prejudiced views on non-Muslims, or their families wouldn't let them talk to me when I tried.

Basically my point is it's more than just 0.01% of Muslims out of the 5.02% that are radical, I'd put it at more 1.5%

My main theory why the Governments don't want to stop ISIS though is it's another issue to distract us all from how incompetent our leaders actually are around the world.

[Tom4784]

jfc.

Never going to happen, you can't take a democratic country and turn it into a dictatorship by force and and the second anyone announces a vote or movement for Shariah Law would be the day their career in politics ends. Look at the London election how the Tories tried to desperately link Sadiq Khan with extremist groups just because of the colour of his skin, you think there's ANY chance of an extremist getting into power? They wouldn't be able to hide their extremist links for long and any changes they call for that aids Shariah Law's introduction into the UK or any western country would be shot down immediately.

In all these doomsday predictions nobody actually ever considers the fact that Islam is a minority when it comes to religions in the UK and extremists even more so. There will never be a big enough movement to change things, the western world has been moving away from religion and government being entertwined. We're not going to go backwards.

[Anaesthesia]

jfc.

the second anyone announces a vote or movement for Shariah Law would be the day their career in politics ends.

Exactly why it's being attempted through terror techniques. As I think Liv said, ISIS / ISIL / Daesh / Whatever the eff they want to be known as will not rest until their flag is flown everywhere. They need to be taken down.

Sharia law has no place in Europe. Is it wrong of me to say that?

[Tom4784]

Exactly why it's being attempted through terror techniques. As I think Liv said, ISIS / ISIL / Daesh / Whatever the eff they want to be known as will not rest until their flag is flown everywhere. They need to be taken down.

Sharia law has no place in Europe. Is it wrong of me to say that?

And how exactly are terror attacks meant to achieve that? IS don't have the resources to force a change in any western country and there's no chance of one extremist rising to power and pushing Shariah Law, never mind the kind of numbers you'd need to push it through parliament. People don't see terror attacks and think 'Oh well, time to throw in the towel and start practicing Shariah Law!'

There is no way that Shariah Law will ever realistically replace our justice system. It just won't. People are just being hysterical and aren't thinking about it rationally. You cannot force a democratic country in which church is seperated from state to become a religious dictatorship. There's no way.

Also do not suggest that I in any way support Sharia Law because I do not share your hysteria.

[Anaesthesia]

And how exactly are terror attacks meant to achieve that? IS don't have the resources to force a change in any western country and there's no chance of one extremist rising to power and pushing Shariah Law, never mind the kind of numbers you'd need to push it through parliament. People don't see terror attacks and think 'Oh well, time to throw in the towel and start practicing Shariah Law!'

There is no way that Shariah Law will ever realistically replace our justice system. It just won't. People are just being hysterical and aren't thinking about it rationally. You cannot force a democratic country in which church is seperated from state to become a religious dictatorship. There's no way.

Also do not suggest that I in any way support Sharia Law because I do not share your hysteria.

I don't have hysteria hun. And I'm surprised that you think I believe you support it (sharia). But I do know first hand what effect terror attacks can have. And I make no distinction about what colour people are, what religion they are, what part of Spain they come from...etc etc.

What they can do is kill and maim and do so pretty much indiscriminately. With many historic terror groups, there is room for negotiation, because, cmon, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. That's not the case with "whatever they call themselves". They don't want any negotiation. They want their flag everywhere. It's a new breed. They aren't fighting for freedom, they are fighting for "infidel" subjugation.

What they will do also is persist with the Sharia councils, and only feel they need to abide against those rather than the laws of the country.

When you refer to hysteria, that is precisely what they are aiming for. Nothing quite like a nice climate of fear.

I lecture in revolutionary politics btw, I think I'm qualified to examine tactics. My current reading is about the historical Crusades and what, if any, parallels can be drawn.

[Tom4784]

I don't have hysteria hun. And I'm surprised that you think I believe you support it (sharia). But I do know first hand what effect terror attacks can have. And I make no distinction about what colour people are, what religion they are, what part of Spain they come from...etc etc.

What they can do is kill and maim and do so pretty much indiscriminately. With many historic terror groups, there is room for negotiation, because, cmon, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. That's not the case with "whatever they call themselves". They don't want any negotiation. They want their flag everywhere. It's a new breed. They aren't fighting for freedom, they are fighting for "infidel" subjugation.

What they will do also is persist with the Sharia councils, and only feel they need to abide against those rather than the laws of the country.

When you refer to hysteria, that is precisely what they are aiming for.

I lecture in revolutionary politics btw, I think I'm qualified to examine tactics.

You've not really given me any answers here.

Like attempts at Shariah patrols, anyone involved in a Shariah Council that's attempting to undermine the law will likely be stamped out and there's not enough of these councils to make a difference, from what I know these councils seem to be nothing more than Marriage Councilling to begin with. Hell, there's likely to be a massive percentage of muslims who don't want Shariah Law enacted either. If it doesn't have the support of a majority of Muslims then what chances are there of it becoming law when there's millions upon millions that oppose it and we have a government that would stamp out any attempts at enacting Shariah Law at the root.

There's not enough resources for a military coup, Extremists are unlikely to successfully hide their connections and get elected into office and they aren't going to be able to push their agenda through parliament. Simply saying that Islam will simply become more promiment in this country is flawed as well since the millions of people who aren't Muslim won't suddenly disappear or stop breeding either.

[bots]

And how exactly are terror attacks meant to achieve that? IS don't have the resources to force a change in any western country and there's no chance of one extremist rising to power and pushing Shariah Law, never mind the kind of numbers you'd need to push it through parliament. People don't see terror attacks and think 'Oh well, time to throw in the towel and start practicing Shariah Law!'

There is no way that Shariah Law will ever realistically replace our justice system. It just won't. People are just being hysterical and aren't thinking about it rationally. You cannot force a democratic country in which church is seperated from state to become a religious dictatorship. There's no way.
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There are several issues in what you say. There is every chance of extremists rising to power in times of turbulence. Take a look at whats happening politically across Europe, look at Trump in the US. Extremists become the norm, and when the balance is tipped you end up with extremists from all directions enabled.

The likes of Corbyn is a devout pacifist. If he got into power, he would roll over and submit to any force that came against him, because he is absolutely against fighting back, and you don't win any battles by saying ... don't do that again.

Sharia law gains traction when there are thugs/families that want to subjugate people to their will. There have already been countless examples of it happening here in the UK, so to say it won't happen, is again, misguided.

[Anaesthesia]

You've not really given me any answers here.

Like attempts at Shariah patrols, anyone involved in a Shariah Council that's attempting to undermine the law will likely be stamped out and there's not enough of these councils to make a difference, from what I know these councils seem to be nothing more than Marriage Councilling to begin with. Hell, there's likely to be a massive percentage of muslims who don't want Shariah Law enacted either. If it doesn't have the support of a majority of Muslims then what chances are there of it becoming law when there's millions upon millions that oppose it and we have a government that would stamp out any attempts at enacting Shariah Law at the root.

There's not enough resources for a military coup, Extremists are unlikely to successfully hide their connections and get elected into office and they aren't going to be able to push their agenda through parliament. Simply saying that Islam will simply become more promiment in this country is flawed as well since the millions of people who aren't Muslim won't suddenly disappear or stop breeding either.

I can't give you any answers, I wish I could. Nobody can give any answers, no matter how hard they push their political agendas. I feel it is becoming less and less about democracy, and falling into anarchy. With the internet, everyone is able to discuss and argue about what is right or wrong, and those ideals are going to clash. Everyone has a voice.

There will be no military coup, that is a traditional way of doing things, and the world is outside traditional ways of doing things now. Sharia councils are not just about marriage disputes, they are about imposing morality on people. You say governments will stamp out Sharia attempts, yet how do you think they can do that without inciting radicalism?

I don't want Muslims or anyone to disappear, to stop breeding, or to stop living in this country. Difference is part of what makes the world great. It should promote understanding and acceptance. Therefore terror attempts to subjugate are against what every free thinking person believes, religion aside.

What I am saying is, terrorism is a very very difficult war to fight. It doesn't adhere to any traditional warfare rules.

[Anaesthesia]

There are several issues in what you say. There is every chance of extremists rising to power in times of turbulence. Take a look at whats happening politically across Europe, look at Trump in the US.

Divide and conquer.

[Kizzy]

great point, whoever suggested brexit has fragmented one of the most powerful nuclear unions....*slow claps*

[Livia]

Jewish courts have been operating in this country for years. They deal with civil disputes in the same way that Sharia courts do. Despite people's fears, these religious court cannot make a judgement that contravenes the law of the land.

We have a right to religious freedom in this country, so Jewish courts, Sharia courts - even the Catholic legal system - operate quite legally. If you stop one, you're going to have to stop them all. And in a lot of cases they remove small civil cases from clogging up the system.

[user104658]

Jewish courts have been operating in this country for years. They deal with civil disputes in the same way that Sharia courts do. Despite people's fears, these religious court cannot make a judgement that contravenes the law of the land.

We have a right to religious freedom in this country, so Jewish courts, Sharia courts - even the Catholic legal system - operate quite legally. If you stop one, you're going to have to stop them all. And in a lot of cases they remove small civil cases from clogging up the system.
The planets have once again aligned; it's that special time once every six months where I'm in total agreement with Livia.

And an important thing for "Liberty4eva" to remember, I think, and why I questioned the legitimacy of his moniker... If you believe in liberty, it has to be liberty for ALL (so long as it doesn't step outside the bounds of the law). You can't say "Liberty forever! But only for those who happen to think and live like me!". That's... Well... That's not liberty.

[Livia]

The planets have once again aligned; it's that special time once every six months where I'm in total agreement with Livia.

And an important thing for "Liberty4eva" to remember, I think, and why I questioned the legitimacy of his moniker... If you believe in liberty, it has to be liberty for ALL (so long as it doesn't step outside the bounds of the law). You can't say "Liberty forever! But only for those who happen to think and live like me!". That's... Well... That's not liberty.

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