Is Saira being ganged up on?

[Pete.]

Me thinks she's being bullied and that scum Bear is the ringleader

[Black Dagger]

Yes. Get scummy Bear out.

[Wizard.]

They don't need her to make themselves look bad!

[Jordan.]

The female Andy targetted for being intelligent?

[Headie]

Yes and it's wrong
http://i.imgur.com/rJTEJu5.gif

[Oaker]

Yes it's vile!

[Daniel-X]

Bear and Heavy D were horrible to her.

[Kazanne]

Me thinks she's being bullied and that scum Bear is the ringleader

NO:nono:

[hijaxers]

No not really - don't send out invites and then not like your guests !

[jaxie]

There is no way that anyone but Saira was being aggressive and ridiculous in that scene and anyone who thinks she is being bullied is not watching the same show I am. She is an absolute idiot.

She totally invited that conversation then wouldn't listen to anyone else.

[EspeonBB]

Saira is kind of a mess but I feel like Bear and Heavy D were overly aggressive (plus it was 2 vs. 1 so it did feel like ganging up)

[delta]

Like fcuk she is, she is playing the victim she's an annoying, passive aggressive, belligerent in your face, she turned everything around in that conversation to try and make the rest of them look bad


I have never liked her from the apprentice, don't like her with the money guy. she doesn't know how to talk to people. Her delivery is staccato and all wrong.

[zakman440]

Seems like Andy from the civilian series was right - the less intelligent ones are feeling patronised by intelligent Saira.

[Ross.]

Yeah that whole thing in the kitchen just felt like they were ganging up on her

[Pete.]

There is no way that anyone but Saira was being aggressive and ridiculous in that scene and anyone who thinks she is being bullied is not watching the same show I am. She is an absolute idiot.

She totally invited that conversation then wouldn't listen to anyone else.
OK did you not watch Bear literally stalk her around the kitchen when she wanted to leave the kitchen? And see 4 people shout at her at the same time? I honestly give up

[Vicky.]

No..she seems to be a master of playing the victim though :laugh:

[delta]

Saira is kind of a mess but I feel like Bear and Heavy D were overly aggressive (plus it was 2 vs. 1 so it did feel like ganging up)

It was a conversation- she played the victim, quite easy to turn the water works on, all of them were trying to help in saying that it's her delivery, the way she says things and they are BANG on right,


she has a lousy personable approach, she doesn't know how to talk to people, when people are telling you for your own good, and different people have come up with the same thing of their own accord then it's time to take a look at yourself.

She needs to change!!!

[Vanessa]

No..she seems to be a master of playing the victim though :laugh:

This!

[Vicky.]

There is no way that anyone but Saira was being aggressive and ridiculous in that scene and anyone who thinks she is being bullied is not watching the same show I am. She is an absolute idiot.

She totally invited that conversation then wouldn't listen to anyone else.

Yup..she kinda turned a perfectly innocent situation into a massive deal. Then to accuse Heavy D of being aggressive when he was simply pulling her up on an insulting/patronizing comment SHE made about him? **** off love.

[Pete.]

No..she seems to be a master of playing the victim though :laugh:
You can't fake genuine tears

[Yaki da]

Me thinks she's being bullied and that scum Bear is the ringleader

The debate started with Heavy D. Bear complained about her asking him if he had ever hit anyone earlier.

Nothing other than that happened.

To call this bullying is a ****ing disgrace on your part. Why does every viewer of this show seem to look for a chance to cry "BULLY" at something? Do you think it makes you look like a good person? It makes you look like someone desperate to draw attention to yourself and what a nice person you think you are.

[Yaki da]

You can't fake genuine tears

I've no doubt she was upset. She was upset because she was correctly told she had a patronising manner. Which she does and the HMs are within their right to say that about her. And only 2 of them said it.

Yet somehow this is "bullying"?

Bollocks. The truth is some people in forums want to make out it's bullying so you can all look like you're standing up against it. You'll turn anything into bullying just so you can stand up to it. It's ****ing despicable.

[Vicky.]

You can't fake genuine tears

What do you mean by genuine? I saw nothing genuine in the diary room tbh.

[bots]

i think she is an iconic queen of setting herself up to be the victim :laugh:

[reece(:]

The men were aggressive though...

[Vicky.]

And we are off again, with ****ing Marnie.

Victim complex or what. This is grating on me just watching it :joker:

[Yaki da]

OK did you not watch Bear literally stalk her around the kitchen when she wanted to leave the kitchen? And see 4 people shout at her at the same time? I honestly give up

I saw Lewis repeatedly make sure she was able to have her say. Why are you leaving that out?

I also saw Heavy D not being at all aggressive.

Bear just is an intense looking person, so he's always looking aggressive.

[Pete.]

The debate started with Heavy D. Bear complained about her asking him if he had ever hit anyone earlier.

Nothing other than that happened.

To call this bullying is a ****ing disgrace on your part. Why does every viewer of this show seem to look for a chance to cry "BULLY" at something? Do you think it makes you look like a good person? It makes you look like someone desperate to draw attention to yourself and what a nice person you think you are.

I've no doubt she was upset. She was upset because she was correctly told she had a patronising manner. Which she does and the HMs are within their right to say that about her. And only 2 of them said it.

Yet somehow this is "bullying"?

Bollocks. The truth is some people in forums want to make out it's bullying so you can all look like you're standing up against it. You'll turn anything into bullying just so you can stand up to it. It's ****ing despicable.

I saw Lewis repeatedly make sure she was able to have her say. Why are you leaving that out?

I also saw Heavy D not being at all aggressive.

Bear just is an intense looking person, so he's always looking aggressive.


How am I even making you this mad? Lol.

It's only BB and I saw bullying. If that's ****ing despicable then so be it but the stuff I saw on screen was more despicable. That's my view and I'll be voting to save Miss Saira when she's nominated :)

[LukeB]

Bear has been targeting her since day 1

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm the first to point it out but this time she's just gobby and annoying and likes to have the last word. She's annoying on loose women and annoying here

[Vicky.]

The men were aggressive though...

They weren't at all though. Bear getting up could be seen that way, but they were being accused of being aggressive LONG before that when they were just talking? hell the plastic essex guy was telling the others to let her speak and still ended up being in the wrong :D

[jaxie]

OK did you not watch Bear literally stalk her around the kitchen when she wanted to leave the kitchen? And see 4 people shout at her at the same time? I honestly give up

No one was shouting at her and bear followed her because she acted like a baby and walked off.

[delta]

Victim, victim, victim, she's a head case, head strong and opinionated and argumentative- she's so quick to judge, she's trying to pigeon hole everyone, it may be her way of coping


Even the women are calling her out!!


As the Mafia bird has just said, she didn't iike the truth and she's been called out.


She's an odd ball that doesn't fit in

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

No one was shouting at her and bear followed her because she acted like a baby and walked off.

He followed her around the kitchen? Maybe I haven't been watching properly.

[Yaki da]

How am I even making you this mad? Lol.

It's only BB and I saw bullying. If that's ****ing despicable then so be it but the stuff I saw on screen was more despicable. That's my view and I'll be voting to save Miss Saira when she's nominated :)

I get mad when people make charges as serious as "Bullying" when nothing of the sort has gone on.

I couldn't care less who you vote for. But try backing up what you're saying with an argument if you want to be taken seriously.

[Daniel-X]

That was really uncalled for what Marnie just did, gone right off her.

[Ross.]

And now she's the victim of their pranks :bored:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

That was really uncalled for what Marnie just did, gone right off her.

My gosh I need to pay attention I missed that

[delta]

That was really uncalled for what Marnie just did, gone right off her.

Yes, agree, that didn't help but that was the beer talking. Problem is she's made a whole load of enemies with her passive aggressive victim roll

[EspeonBB]

That was really uncalled for what Marnie just did, gone right off her.

Yeah it was really mean of her to do it. And it was disappointing coming from Marnie considering she exchanged apologies with Saira earlier on

[jaxie]

Marnie did go too far but I think Saira has made her bed so to speak with the younger people I'm the house and now she is laying in it.

[karezza]

I feel sorry for her husband. Imagine being married to that creature.

[Pete.]

I guess Marnie answered my question for me :clap1:

[Cherie]

Marnie played right into her hands at the end silly cow, she wants the victim card, she had no reason not to accept a hug off Heavy but she literally blanked him

[Denver]

im not a fan but she was treated horribly

[caprimint]

Saira is kind of a mess but I feel like Bear and Heavy D were overly aggressive (plus it was 2 vs. 1 so it did feel like ganging up)
She's on the Loose Women panel. Can she not handle a different opinion to her 'rightful' own? :facepalm:

Nobody was aggressive towards her.

[waylander1973]

Marnie did bully her, as what she did right at the end the show especially as she made up with her earlier before hand - so wrong.

Hmmm...as for the rest off it, if it carries on the way we saw tonight then it will become bullying, otherwise just an augment between housemates.

[thisisdanny]

No..she seems to be a master of playing the victim though :laugh:

:clap1::clap1:

[fitz2k2]

Me thinks she's being bullied and that scum Bear is the ringleader

you don't even know the meaning of the word bully

[delta]

im not a fan but she was treated horribly

Rubbish


It was self created. she makes a rod for her own back. She lacks the etiquette and intricacies for human interaction and the nuances of small talk.


she comes across as a very angry woman.

[lewis111]

Setting herself up?
So it's her fault for talking in her usual tone of voice to people who aren't nice?
She's spoekn to everyone that way and only they seem to have an issue with it

You can deny he's being bullied I feel she's only being picked on. But I don't see how it is her fault that she's being treated that way

[joeysteele]

No..she seems to be a master of playing the victim though :laugh:

She is indeed.

I would fine her near unbearable to be in such a place with.

[Heaven = Winner]

I think she's starting to be, for sure. At least from Bear and (likely) Marnie.

[hot2go]

She's attached racism to James ....she's called Marnie a drunk...she's called bear a violent agressive man who would physically attack people and she's commeneted that Heavy D is too fat to exercise....she's the one ganging up on people...they have reacted badly and they are in the wrong but she has created that situation ...doesn't excuse their reaction but it def explains it.

[Yaki da]

She's attached racism to James ....she's called Marnie a drunk...she's called bear a violent agressive man who would physically attack people and she's commeneted that Heavy D is too fat to exercise....she's the one ganging up on people...they have reacted badly and they are in the wrong but she has created that situation ...doesn't excuse their reaction but it def explains it.

And she spends half the time sneering at anyone with a different opinion to her.

Insulting, patronising, condescending, belittling and sneering.

And when people who all agree with each other that she is these things point it out to her, she cries and they're the bullies in the minds of viewers who I believe just want to be seen to be "standing up for a victim".

It's unbelievable.

[hot2go]

And she spends half the time sneering at anyone with a different opinion to her.

Insulting, patronising, condescending, belittling and sneering.

And when people who all agree with each other that she is these things point it out to her, she cries and they're the bullies in the minds of viewers who I believe just want to be seen to be "standing up for a victim".

It's unbelievable.

It is unbelievable....she thinks she a cut above....she's a total snob and is prob used to getting her own way....way too confident

[TheMachine]

She is up her own arse. Full of herself very patronizing interview mode all the time, soon as people started to challenge her on the BS she turns on the water works.

Bullying are people watching the same stuff i am?. Bear was mainly standing his ground on the stupid **** she was applying to him from hardly any substance. She really doesn't seem like a nice person, very manipulative.

The part on marmie showing her tits for dare was poorly timed after all the other drama. distasteful. She will now play the victim, ill get out my violin.

[Jake.]

100%. The whole "I've got bigger boobs than you"/tit flashing wasn't even funny when she was already upset. The younger people in there are repulsive.

[Drew.]

Unfortunately. I don't particularly like her or the intimidating way she talks to people but for a bunch of immature cretins who have no brain cells between them then this is the perfect reason for them to gang up on her. Had there not been anyone else in the house to speak up for Saira then this would easily become a bullying situation if they were able to continue which they probably would have.

[LukeB]

I don't think Marnie flashing her tits to her was done in a horrible/nasty way, it was stupid and wrong and pretty immature but She will probably feel remorse about it well hopefully anyway. I hope she gets a warning though and learn from her mistake.

But for Bear he has randomly took a dislike to her and I felt he has been targeting her since day 1, maybe it;s jealously because of the immunity thing he said it was a smart move for her but he seemed to have an issue with it. He has been the worse towards her and he will show no remorse.

[jaxie]

Marnie did bully her, as what she did right at the end the show especially as she made up with her earlier before hand - so wrong.

Hmmm...as for the rest off it, if it carries on the way we saw tonight then it will become bullying, otherwise just an augment between housemates.

Flashing her tits like that was not bullying. Ffs it was a tit she was waving not a club. What it was was immature, rude and unnecessary but it wasnt bullying.

[jaxie]

I don't think Marnie flashing her tits to her was done in a horrible/nasty way, it was stupid and wrong and pretty immature but She will probably feel remorse about it well hopefully anyway. I hope she gets a warning though and learn from her mistake.

But for Bear he has randomly took a dislike to her and I felt he has been targeting her since day 1, maybe it;s jealously because of the immunity thing he said it was a smart move for her but he seemed to have an issue with it. He has been the worse towards her and he will show no remorse.

He hasn't been targeting her. When he was asking for help over the wardrobe space she was plain rude to him. Then in the bathroom she was asking him inappropriate questions then in the kitchen she claims he might be a risk to her safety. The woman is barking mad.

[Cal.]

Yes and it's wrong
http://i.imgur.com/rJTEJu5.gif

This :(

[jet]

Flashing her tits like that was not bullying. Ffs it was a tit she was waving not a club. What it was was immature, rude and unnecessary but it wasnt bullying.

I have to disagree. I don't like Saira, but deliberately trying to humiliate someone in front of a group of people who is sitting there minding their own business IS bullying. The false apology, and Saira saying it's fine...then doing what Marnie did is vile and despicable. She should be turfed out on her slutty ass. I'm so glad James had zero tolerance...Grant Bovey sickened me trying to make excuses for Marnie when he and James were talking about it later. He is such a sleazeball. yuck.

[Northern Monkey]

She has singled everyone one out and been a bitch to them and did'nt like being called out on it,Did'nt apologise and could'nt admit she was wrong.Then played the victim when she'd been sussed.

[Northern Monkey]

I have to disagree. I don't like Saira, but deliberately trying to humiliate someone in front of a group of people who is sitting there minding their own business IS bullying. The false apology, and Saira saying it's fine...then doing what Marnie did is vile and despicable. She should be turfed out on her slutty ass. I'm so glad James had zero tolerance...Grant Bovey sickened me trying to make excuses for Marnie when he and James were talking about it later. He is such a sleazeball. yuck.Marnie had no reason to apologise but did anyway and bitchface started on her again.No wonder Marnie was pissed off with her.

[azi]

They're intimidated by an intelligent WOC.

http://i.imgur.com/rJTEJu5.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

Is she hell ,she brought all the dislikes the hm8s have for her on herself, even yesterday when she did her "poor me"audition from her bed,she managed to stick a knife in Marnies back .... Reap and sow Saira ,Reap and sow

[Nicky91]

i feel sorry for her, because she's being bullied by vile Marnie :(

[Vanessa]

Saira needs to stop the interrogation. Can't she just. Have a convo without accusing people? No wonder they're fed up. Bear did go too far last night and Marnie can't handle her drink. But great that Heavy D and Lewis have already talked to Saira and cleared the air, very mature.

[jet]

She has singled everyone one out and been a bitch to them and did'nt like being called out on it,Did'nt apologise and could'nt admit she was wrong.Then played the victim when she'd been sussed.

True, she is a nightmare, but at that stage Marnie was the better person for apologising. She's not a better person now, is she? Saira now has the upper hand and Marnie has shown herself to be a stupid, vengeful, immature little girl.

[jet]

Is she hell ,she brought all the dislikes the hm8s have for her on herself, even yesterday when she did her "poor me"audition from her bed,she managed to stick a knife in Marnies back .... Reap and sow Saira ,Reap and sow

You're not condoning what Marnie did, are you? :shocked:

[chuff me dizzy]

You're not condoning what Marnie did, are you? :shocked:

Im not condoning Saira cornering people and using them to big herself up .no I'm not

[jet]

Im not condoning Saira cornering people and using them to big herself up .no I'm not

Neither am I, she's a nightmare, but you know that's not what I asked. :hee:

[chuff me dizzy]

Neither am I, she's a nightmare, but you know that's not what I asked. :hee:

My answer to any questions about Saira is .....she brought it ALL on herself

[Tom4784]

Hard to deny it after that scene in the garden. Marnie and unBearable are completely awful and they should be warned for their behavior. Saira is messy but that was just uncalled for, good on Sam for trying to tell them that. :clap1:

[jet]

My answer to any questions about Saira is .....she brought it ALL on herself

Cabbages :laugh:

[hot2go]

i feel sorry for her, because she's being bullied by vile Marnie :(

At last....someone who blames Marnie.....everyone else says Marnie was either immature or stupid but not a bully...which is ok if they see it that way but in the same posts then are happy to call the boys bully's.....
People are making allowances for Marnie because she's a girl when in fact the boys didn't Bully Saira at all....they don't like her, they don't respect her and neither do I but they didn't flash themselves at her..Marnie did

[Robodog]

She's attached racism to James ....she's called Marnie a drunk...she's called bear a violent agressive man who would physically attack people and she's commeneted that Heavy D is too fat to exercise....she's the one ganging up on people...they have reacted badly and they are in the wrong but she has created that situation ...doesn't excuse their reaction but it def explains it.

:clap1:

Best post on this thread.

It explains all the examples of how Saira has been on the offensive since the start (there was also her barbed comment towards Chloe)

She has been constantly trying to provoke other HMs since she entered the house. Then as soon as they respond to her she plays the victim card and says 'How dare you say i was offensive! I was only being honest and trying to get to know you all! i'm so innocent and now you are all ganging up on me!' It's an old, clever, passive-aggressive trick.

As if commenting on Heavy D's size re: exercise is in any way friendly!

Then she acts all upset when people confront her, so then people are forced to try to clear the air with her. So then she rudely dismisses their apology and she even carries on offending them personally (as she did with Marnie over her drinking). This proves she not only creates the issues, she also wants to milk the upset she has created for as much as she can get out of it.

Terrible manipulative behaviour from Saira.

James dealt with it brilliantly by not rising to her stupid racism accusations, he stayed calm, stayed interested in her personally and even befriended her. He confronted her prejudice towards him with kindness.

Marnie/Bear both managed to stay reasoned with her throughout their discussions but sadly they let themselves down totally with the boob flash thing.

All that will do is play into Saira's hands. She's wanted to be the victim from day one and now they have handed it to her on a gold plate. They should have kept shtum and let her dig her own grave. Instead they gave her fuel for the fire. She will now milk this for the next few weeks, if not months outside the house.

Verdict: Saira is in the wrong. And now with the boob flash thing, so are Marnie and Bear.

Shame because Marnie and Bear were holding their own against her all day and they were in the right, up until the point of boob-gate.

.

[chuff me dizzy]

Is Saira being picked on here too ? Look at the faces she pulls at this man who is trying to help her ,then tries to make herself the victim, it seems this is how she plays it

LANGUAGE IN VIDEO SO IF EASILY OFFENDED,DONT WATCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Anednbpi4

[Nicky91]

At last....someone who blames Marnie.....everyone else says Marnie was either immature or stupid but not a bully...which is ok if they see it that way but in the same posts then are happy to call the boys bully's.....
People are making allowances for Marnie because she's a girl when in fact the boys didn't Bully Saira at all....they don't like her, they don't respect her and neither do I but they didn't flash themselves at her..Marnie did

Marnie is a bully, and i really don't like her, she's vile :hehe:

[Tarryn]

Marnie is a bully, and i really don't like her, she's vile :hehe:

I can't find a single thing to like about the girl. Just awful.

[chuff me dizzy]

Saira is used to talking to people as she chooses, she's also not used to anyone answering her back, she entered the house and straight away dived into trying to cause trouble by labelling a man she had never met before a racist, she went back again the following night as she hadn't got what she set out to get, and failed again,so she called Heavy D fat and unfit,he didn't retaliate so she turned her attention to Bear who she tried to get to admit he was a thug, that failed and they called her out on it around the table,she turned on the tears and took to her bed claiming she was being picked on ,I hope she's learned a valuable lesson on life by this that if you can dish it out, you have to expect to get it back,but I doubt very much she has

[Nicky91]

I can't find a single thing to like about the girl. Just awful.

me too :)

[Lostie!]

Saira is used to talking to people as she chooses, she's also not used to anyone answering her back, she entered the house and straight away dived into trying to cause trouble by labelling a man she had never met before a racist, she went back again the following night as she hadn't got what she set out to get, and failed again,so she called Heavy D fat and unfit,he didn't retaliate so she turned her attention to Bear who she tried to get to admit he was a thug, that failed and they called her out on it around the table,she turned on the tears and took to her bed claiming she was being picked on ,I hope she's learned a valuable lesson on life by this that if you can dish it out, you have to expect to get it back,but I doubt very much she has

In what universe is trying to provoke her with a fake apology and an effort to humiliate her in front of everyone well after the dust has settled equated to "answering back"? :unsure:

And she never labelled James a racist, she asked why he sometimes has that tag attached to him. Not once did she actually accuse him of being racist.

[Jake.]

she didn't call Colin fat either

[Lstan]

I think bear was being antagonising, and because it seemed like everyone around the table was agreeing with him she felt cornered. I dont think the others were but he was certainly being hyperbolic

(btw who is bear and what is he famous for?)

In what universe is trying to provoke her with a fake apology and an effort to humiliate her in front of everyone well after the dust has settled equated to "answering back"? :unsure:

And she never labelled James a racist, she asked why he sometimes has that tag attached to him. Not once did she actually accuse him of being racist.

Exactly Lostie! I didnt know who the guy was and my mum told me he used to have a talk show a decade back where he had "controversial opinions" and he said something on his vt about ukip which got the crowd booing-her conversation with him actually came across friendly as they seem to get on. I'm not a fan of Saira but I really do not think she is coming off as harsh as some other people here say, she was just asking for his view on things.

[Ross.]

In what universe is trying to provoke her with a fake apology and an effort to humiliate her in front of everyone well after the dust has settled equated to "answering back"? :unsure:

And she never labelled James a racist, she asked why he sometimes has that tag attached to him. Not once did she actually accuse him of being racist.

:clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

My answer to any questions about Saira is .....she brought it ALL on herself

but jet asked about Marnie... ok then.

[Robodog]

She didn't call him a racist, point blank.

But the way she went about it was far more subtle and passive-aggressive. She kept questioning him about it, in all seriousness. Even after he tried to laugh it off ('Saira thinks i'm a racist!'), she then returned to the subject (in all seriousness again) saying '..because if you are a racist then that's fine, i will just keep out of your way' !

What a thing to say!

That's a very sly, subtle, underhand way of trying to tag and portray him in a bad light. It's not point-blank calling him a racist, but it's saying the same thing in various shades of subtlety.

Ironically it comes from her own prejudices and pre-conceptions about him.

It's not as if he'd said something race related or they were having a conversation about race, she just came out with it. They'd only been in there 5 minutes. She never bothered to find out what or how he thinks on the subject before saying anything.

It almost feels as if she had 'decided' in her mind that he's a racist and so it's ok for her to now 'punish' him for it. 'He's guilty until he proves his innocence 'type of thing (and even then, not really listening to him properly when he does 'put his case' to her)

[Ellen]

She didn't call him a racist, point blank.

But the way she went about it was far more subtle and passive-aggressive. She kept questioning him about it, in all seriousness. Even after he tried to laugh it off ('Saira thinks i'm a racist!'), she then returned to the subject (in all seriousness again) saying '..because if you are a racist then that's fine, i will just keep out of your way' !

What a thing to say!

That's a very sly, subtle, underhand way of trying to tag and portray him in a bad light. It's not point-blank calling him a racist, but it's saying the same thing in various shades of subtlety.

Ironically it comes from her own prejudices and pre-conceptions about him.

It's not as if he'd said something race related or they were having a conversation about race, she just came out with it. They'd only been in there 5 minutes. She never bothered to find out what or how he thinks on the subject before saying anything.

It almost feels as if she had 'decided' in her mind that he's a racist and so it's ok for her to now 'punish' him for it. 'He's guilty until he proves his innocence 'type of thing (and even then, not really listening to him properly when he does 'put his case' to her)

I agree, i said the similar thing earlier. She already believed him to be a racist and tried her level best to prove this. Clever in her approach but he was one step ahead of her.

[jet]

In what universe is trying to provoke her with a fake apology and an effort to humiliate her in front of everyone well after the dust has settled equated to "answering back"? :unsure:

And she never labelled James a racist, she asked why he sometimes has that tag attached to him. Not once did she actually accuse him of being racist.

Even when he said he wasn't she kept repeating "But if you were a racist" :huh: She just refused to let go of the idea that he might be and wouldn't back down. She wanted to provoke him into saying something damning but she didn't get the satisfaction.

[hot2go]

In what universe is trying to provoke her with a fake apology and an effort to humiliate her in front of everyone well after the dust has settled equated to "answering back"? :unsure:

And she never labelled James a racist, she asked why he sometimes has that tag attached to him. Not once did she actually accuse him of being racist.

When you know someone's name has been besmirched in the past, and even worse, you know it wasn't true, then you don't make that the first topic of conversation you have with that person upon meeting them for the first time..,especially on national tele and especially in a game that's all about taking your opponents out...she knows exactly what she's doing, she's failing at it and now she's trying to look like a victim.
It was wrong and lacks any kind of empathy, tact or consideration for other people's feelings.

[hot2go]

You didn't see Rula Lenska meet Michael Barrymore for the first time and immediately ask him about the guy who drownd in his pool.
Or see Scotty T meet Daren Day for the first time and immediately ask him about cheating on his wife.
Anyone with any social skills and appropriate behaviour doesn't do that kind of thing...unless they're just brash and unsympathetic in their personality.

[Robodog]

Strange way to 'try and get to know people' (Saira's words not mine) by asking them if they are racist, asking them if they've ever punched someone, telling them they have a drink problem or jibing about their weight/size/need for exercise.

Anyone got a spare copy of 'How to win friends and influence people'?

[hot2go]

Strange way to 'try and get to know people' (Saira's words not mine) by asking them if they are racist, asking them if they've ever punched someone, telling them they have a drink problem or jibing about their weight/size/need for exercise.

Anyone got a spare copy of 'How to win friends and influence people'?

No use, she's already reading a copy of " How to lose friends and influence the public vote "

[chuff me dizzy]

When you know someone's name has been besmirched in the past, and even worse, you know it wasn't true, then you don't make that the first topic of conversation you have with that person upon meeting them for the first time..,especially on national tele and especially in a game that's all about taking your opponents out...she knows exactly what she's doing, she's failing at it and now she's trying to look like a victim.
It was wrong and lacks any kind of empathy, tact or consideration for other people's feelings.

She made James a target, now the hm8s have made her one .....no sympathy from me

[Mystic Mock]

she didn't call Colin fat either

With James and Heavy D she was implying things.

I actually find Saira amusing, but don't turn her behaviour into something that was more innocent than it actually was.

Saira is playing the game very hard, she should let the public in on that instead of playing the victim.

Edit... And with Bear she didn't even imply, she basically came out with it.:joker:

[Lostie!]

Even when he said he wasn't she kept repeating "But if you were a racist" :huh: She just refused to let go of the idea that he might be and wouldn't back down. She wanted to provoke him into saying something damning but she didn't get the satisfaction.

Did she? I watched it back and her next question was about how it must be hard to bear a reputation for something you don't see yourself as.

I can't say I remember her saying the words "But if you were a racist" but I'll happily concede if someone points me towards her saying it.

When you know someone's name has been besmirched in the past, and even worse, you know it wasn't true, then you don't make that the first topic of conversation you have with that person upon meeting them for the first time..,especially on national tele and especially in a game that's all about taking your opponents out...she knows exactly what she's doing, she's failing at it and now she's trying to look like a victim.
It was wrong and lacks any kind of empathy, tact or consideration for other people's feelings.

I never said her line of questioning was right, I simply said she never called him a racist which is true.

She made James a target, now the hm8s have made her one .....no sympathy from me

The funny thing is that James himself is entirely against what's happening with Saira so your reasoning for having no problem with bullying is paper thin.

Not to mention trying to compare the situations is absurd since the situation between Saira and James and what's happening now are completely different. She didn't make anyone "a victim".

[chuff me dizzy]

Did she? I watched it back and her next question was about how it must be hard to bear a reputation for something you don't see yourself as.

I can't say I remember her saying the words "But if you were a racist" but I'll happily concede if someone points me towards her saying it.



I never said her line of questioning was right, I simply said she never called him a racist which is true.



The funny thing is that James himself is entirely against what's happening with Saira so your reasoning for having no problem with bullying is paper thin.

Not to mention trying to compare the situations is absurd since the situation between Saira and James and what's happening now are completely different. She didn't make anyone "a victim".

No one is being bullied

[Lostie!]

No one is being bullied

Well you loved Helen so we'll have to agree to disagree on what we see as bullying, won't we?

[Mystic Mock]

Well you loved Helen so we'll have to agree to disagree on what we see as bullying, won't we?

Helen bullied Christopher quite badly.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well you loved Helen so we'll have to agree to disagree on what we see as bullying, won't we?

Loved her to bits ,as did the voting public

[Lostie!]

Loved her to bits ,as did the voting public

I love that everytime Helen is brought up you trot out this same fantasy about her being adored :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

I love that everytime Helen is brought up you trot out this same fantasy about her being adored :laugh:

Did the voting public vote to make her the winner? A simple yes or no will suffice

[Marsh.]

FFS, I'm sick of housemates like Helen being discussed.

Can we just discuss these housemates?

[notime]

What Marnie did was so disrespectful. Didn't like the girl from the start like that whole gang's dumb as hell and so disrespectful. I didn't like Saira at the beginning either because of the bed sitation but that's just not how you treat anyone

[chuff me dizzy]

FFS, I'm sick of housemates like Helen being discussed.

Can we just discuss these housemates?

I know ,its boring isn't it and dragged up every series, but those sour grapes are swines to swallow

[Amy Jade]

I think Saira sort of instigated people's dislike towards her, Marnie shouldn't have done what she did last night for sure though but Saira is going to annoy me if she plays the victim all the time