Biggins bisexual comment

[lovebigbrotheruk]

"Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".

Wtf? :nono:

How ignorant can you be?

[Daniel.]

Trash

[Yaki da]

He's against gay marriage as well. He's an old fashioned homosexual :laugh:

[lovebigbrotheruk]

He's against gay marriage as well. He's an old fashioned homosexual :laugh:

Self-loathing homosexual you mean.

[Yaki da]

Self-loathing homosexual you mean.

I don't think he's self loathing. A lot of gay people once upon a time would have been against things like gay marriage.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

I don't think he's self loathing. A lot of gay people once upon a time would have been against things like gay marriage.

Doesn't even make sense unless they thought that homosexuality was wrong and not equal to a heterosexual relationship.

[Shaun]

Typical gay bloke that's bought into his own braveness for coming out and sees anyone identifying as anything else as "cowardly" or "not properly coming out" or whatever.

[reece(:]

Delete him

[Yaki da]

Doesn't even make sense unless they thought that homosexuality was wrong and not equal to a heterosexual relationship.

They thought it was superior. Marriage was something for boring heterosexuals who want to raise a family to do.

[Headie]

Such a vile thing to say, he'll get away with it just bcos he's gay tho sadly

[EspeonBB]

It was awful but there are a lot of gay men who think bisexuals aren't real or think bisexuality is a stepping stone to coming out as gay

[LukeB]

:umm2: what a twat.

[Firewire]

An awful opinion but it's not surprising

[Natalie.]

Very disappointing

[Tom4784]

He's no longer a favourite of mine. I despise it when gay people like him are so hypocritical to deny bisexuality when they've been fighting for their own rights since time immemorial.

[Amy Jade]

Isn't Renee as guilty?

[Anaesthesia]

They thought it was superior. Marriage was something for boring heterosexuals who want to raise a family to do.

You are right. And bisexuality was for fence-sitters and greedy ppl. That's actually how it was all perceived.

[Jordan.]

Such a dumb thing to say and Renee for agreeing with him

[Firewire]

Isn't Renee as guilty?

Yes but it's more shocking from Biggins since he's gay himself

[Anaesthesia]

Biggins is a gay of a certain age that has different views to now...interesting, this one.

[Adamw92]

I despise it when gay people like him are so hypocritical to deny bisexuality when they've been fighting for their own rights since time immemorial.

This. :bored:

[Tom4784]

Isn't Renee as guilty?

I think Renee is just a bit ignorant on the matter, I don't think she meant any harm with what she said but Biggins is a member of the LGBT community has no excuse for his words. He should have known better.

[armand.kay]

What a twat.

[Marsh.]

Typical gay bloke that's bought into his own braveness for coming out and sees anyone identifying as anything else as "cowardly" or "not properly coming out" or whatever.

Yeah, I get the feeling he's the type who hates how "normal" (for want of a better word) that LGBT has become in the modern world as he enjoyed the "celebrity" of being part of an outcast group of people and the centre of attention.

[Shaun]

The queen has spoken

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[armand.kay]

I think Renee is just a bit ignorant on the matter, I don't think she meant any harm with what she said but Biggins is a member of the LGBT community has no excuse for his words. He should have known better.

Yeah I don't think Renee knows much about the topic and instead of correcting her he just confirmed her messy theory and added more too it with the bisexual comment.

[alex_front2]

It was awful but there are a lot of gay men who think bisexuals aren't real or think bisexuality is a stepping stone to coming out as gay

Like Tom Daley and Nathan Geordie Shore who are bi, oh wait they have come out as gay. It's weird how bisexuals tend to end up with men. Jessie J now straight. I don't condone infidelity but I would love love to see so called bi guy cheat on his boyfriend /gay husband /civil male partner with a female mistress sidechic. Rather than the so called bi guy cheating on wife with a male.

[Anaesthesia]

Just because he's gay doesn't mean he has to be open minded, surely? He must be close to 70, maybe he has a certain generational belief system...

[Amy Jade]

Marnie is bi too, was she in the room?

[Firewire]

Like Tom Daley and Nathan Geordie Shore who are bi, oh wait they have come out as gay. It's weird how bisexuals tend to end up with men. Jessie J now straight. I don't condone infidelity but I would love love to see so called bi guy cheat on his boyfriend /gay husband /civil male partner with a female mistress sidechic. Rather than the so called bi guy cheating on wife with a male.

Jessie used it to be trendy, Tom used it as a stepping stone (which isn't an issue, it's hard enough to admit that you're gay).

Genuine bisexual people exist but they are totally glossed over

[Anaesthesia]

Yeah, I get the feeling he's the type who hates how "normal" (for want of a better word) that LGBT has become in the modern world as he enjoyed the "celebrity" of being part of an outcast group of people and the centre of attention.

I think that is probably very close to the truth.

[joeysteele]

He plummeted with me bigtime after that comment.

[Anaesthesia]

Like Tom Daley and Nathan Geordie Shore who are bi, oh wait they have come out as gay. It's weird how bisexuals tend to end up with men. Jessie J now straight. I don't condone infidelity but I would love love to see so called bi guy cheat on his boyfriend /gay husband /civil male partner with a female mistress sidechic. Rather than the so called bi guy cheating on wife with a male.

I think that's a really interesting comment actually. Out of the self-described Bis I have known, and I say self-described because I think it was experimental rather than natural (to them) The boys have stuck with boys, but the girls have too...

[reece(:]

The queen has spoken

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[Headie]

The queen has spoken

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That's a fan account I think

[Jamie89]

Typical gay bloke that's bought into his own braveness for coming out and sees anyone identifying as anything else as "cowardly" or "not properly coming out" or whatever.

Such a vile thing to say, he'll get away with it just bcos he's gay tho sadly

Yep

[Mystic Mock]

I was surprised by Biggins comment tbh.

We are apart of the Animal Kingdom and the last time I checked the Animal Kingdom has Bisexuals.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His opinion and shared by many

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Like Tom Daley and Nathan Geordie Shore who are bi, oh wait they have come out as gay. It's weird how bisexuals tend to end up with men. Jessie J now straight. I don't condone infidelity but I would love love to see so called bi guy cheat on his boyfriend /gay husband /civil male partner with a female mistress sidechic. Rather than the so called bi guy cheating on wife with a male.

I've seen that happen plenty of times. You tend to see it more when you have many bisexual friends.

I'm bisexual myself, which simply means I'm sexually attracted to both males and females. Not sure why some people find that so hard to comprehend, especially in the 21st Century...?

[alex_front2]

From what I see female bi celebs end up with men and ditto what I see in reality


Evan Rachel Wood
Drew Barrymore
Jessie J
Margaret Cho
Gillian Anderson
Amber Heard
Jessie J
Anna Paquin True Blood
Miranda Kerr model about to marry SnapChat billionaire
Fergie ex Black Eye Peas/MILF
Christina Aguilera
Lady Gaga
Megan Fox
Angelina Jolie
Keeley Hawes
Miley Cyrus : bet she no longer claims to be non gender now that she's with a man, too
Ellen DeGeneres ex Anne Heche


The so called celeb bi girls currently with a female now are young eg Kristen Stewart, model Stella Maxwell and Cara Delevingne could end up married to a man in 24 months time

[Pete.]

Like Tom Daley and Nathan Geordie Shore who are bi, oh wait they have come out as gay. It's weird how bisexuals tend to end up with men. Jessie J now straight. I don't condone infidelity but I would love love to see so called bi guy cheat on his boyfriend /gay husband /civil male partner with a female mistress sidechic. Rather than the so called bi guy cheating on wife with a male.
Messie J faked her bisexuality

[Mystic Mock]

The queen has spoken

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She's the woman that thought that Perez would give the whole gay community a bad name.

She really can't talk about embarrassing comments.

[EspeonBB]

Like Tom Daley and Nathan Geordie Shore who are bi, oh wait they have come out as gay. It's weird how bisexuals tend to end up with men. Jessie J now straight. I don't condone infidelity but I would love love to see so called bi guy cheat on his boyfriend /gay husband /civil male partner with a female mistress sidechic. Rather than the so called bi guy cheating on wife with a male.

Just because Tom Daley came out as gay and Messie J was bisexual for publicity doesn't mean genuine bisexuals don't exist

I don't know why people think they can determine other people's sexuality. Being bisexual isn't the same as being gay

[Withano]

So dum

[Jordan.]

His opinion and shared by many

:sleep:

[Jamie89]

His opinion and shared by many

There are also a lot of people who share racist/homophobic/sexist views... that doesn't make them ok

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I was really surprised when he said that

[lewis111]

Michelle Visage is calling in on BOTS tonight
She is going to drag his ass to ****ing Peru and leave him there

[Jamie89]

From what I see female bi celebs end up with men and ditto what I see in reality


Evan Rachel Wood
Drew Barrymore
Jessie J
Margaret Cho
Gillian Anderson
Amber Heard
Jessie J
Anna Paquin True Blood
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Miranda Kerr model about to marry SnapChat billionaire
Fergie ex Black Eye Peas/MILF
Christina Aguilera

Lady Gaga
Megan Fox
Angelina Jolie
Keeley Hawes
Miley Cyrus : bet she no longer claims to be non gender now that she's with a man, too
Ellen DeGeneres ex Anne Heche
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The so called celeb bi girls currently with a female now are young eg Kristen Stewart, model Stella Maxwell and Cara Delevingne could end up married to a man in 24 months time

I don't think celebrities can be used as a good indicator tbh since a lot of them do and say the things they do to court publicity (and bisexuality is unfortunately used in that way a lot of the time).

I just think it's ignorance plain and simple to deny that bi-sexuals exist, there really isn't any excuse for it other than stupidity, sorry.

[Beso]

Michelle Visage is calling in on BOTS tonight
She is going to drag his ass to ****ing Peru and leave him there

Yawn, she's a dried up old has been.

[lewis111]

The other post is a fan account but when asked what she thought about Michelle responded "wait and See"

[lewis111]

Member when Jemima was warned cause she said she didn't fancy Caribbean men or something, which is a much Much lesser comment that this

I hate how homophobia is so much more accepted in society than racism, both are awful and shouldn't be accepted

[alex_front2]

Lindsay Lohan, currently engaged to oligarch's errant son
Amber Rose, bangs on about being bi, only seems to shag loads of male rappers
Vanessa Carlton
Azaelia Banks, chasing old white guys :her words
Madonna used to be with Sandra Bernard and that Spanish chic in 1990s


It's only Cynthia Nixon Sex and City who I can think of and even she reviewed her sexuality as more straight but falling in love with a woman.

[Mystic Mock]

Member when Jemima was warned cause she said she didn't fancy Caribbean men or something, which is a much Much lesser comment that this

I hate how homophobia is so much more accepted in society than racism, both are awful and shouldn't be accepted

Being against Bisexuality isn't Homophobia is it?:conf:

[lewis111]

Being against Bisexuality isn't Homophobia is it?:conf:

Idk don't think so but I didn't know the word?? Biphobic maybe

[Cherie]

He surprised me with that comment, he knows the show I reckon he wants out ASAP and knows that comment will help his popularity plummet

[Mystic Mock]

Idk don't think so but I didn't know the word?? Biphobic maybe

I actually don't know if they have a word for it.

I might try and google it.

[Mystic Mock]

You're right Lewis, it's Biphobia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphobia

It even discusses the denial of Bisexuality on Wikipedia also.

[Jordan.]

Lindsay Lohan, currently engaged to oligarch's errant son
Amber Rose, bangs on about being bi, only seems to shag loads of male rappers
Vanessa Carlton
Azaelia Banks, chasing old white guys :her words
Madonna used to be with Sandra Bernard and that Spanish chic in 1990s


What point are you trying to make? Just because some celebrities claimed to be bisexual when they probably weren't doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It also doesn't have to be a 50/50 preference.

[hot2go]

"Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".

Wtf? :nono:

How ignorant can you be?

Not always the case but often true....I know gay guys who only play with straight guys and they say with guys they meet, straight means straight to bed usually.....they have wives and girlfriends at home and afternoon sessions with gay guys that their families know nothing about..and I know lots of guys who claimed to be bisexual for years and were even married in the past but now are as gay as you can be.
Young generation don't see it so much cause they live in a diff world but in the past it was common for gay guys to live double lives because they were gay and Biggins is from that generation so I understood his point of view.

[alex_front2]

What point are you trying to make? Just because some celebrities claimed to be bisexual when they probably weren't doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It also doesn't have to be a 50/50 preference.

Bisexuals ultimately are into men. The attraction to women is not genuine. I cringe when bi guys say they " love men......... Oh and women [ afterthought ]" I bet it's gay porn they rock off too, I bet the so called bi guys watching BB were more into seeing Lewis co£k than Marnies boobs. Fair dues, just wish they'd admit they are gay and proudly take out their subscription to Manhunt, prowler, Grindr, Hot Boyz from Brazil etc and leave the fancying women stuff to experts ie straight men. :joker:

[reece(:]

Bisexuals ultimately are into men. The attraction to women is not genuine. I cringe when bi guys say they " love men......... Oh and women [ afterthought ]" I bet it's gay porn they rock off too, I bet the so called bi guys watching BB were more into seeing Lewis co£k than Marnies boobs. Fair dues, just wish they'd admit they are gay and proudly take out their subscription to Manhunt, prowler, Grindr, Hot Boyz from Brazil etc and leave the fancying women stuff to experts ie straight men. :joker:

I didn't know you could get into the head of millions of people! Wow!

I didn't know in-genuine bisexuality was exclusive to men too!

[Tom4784]

I love it when people try to dictate my sexuality to me.

[alex_front2]

I love it when people try to dictate my sexuality to me.

I will even dictate than in 5 +years you'll be with a bloke. :joker:

Bet bi girls with green hair and annoying SnapChat Dog nose and ears filter things comment on "bi erasure" "bi shaming" kanyeshrug :bored::bored::shrug::sleep::sleep: :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[rusticgal]

He is a nasty little man....he gives this personae of being funny and accommodating...but he is a bitter self absorbed diva. Cannot stand him. He will be exposed on this programme because you get to see what he is really like.. He thinks he is going to walk it like he did on IACGMOOH but this is a completely different gameshow :laugh:

[Jordan.]

Bisexuals ultimately are into men. The attraction to women is not genuine. I cringe when bi guys say they " love men......... Oh and women [ afterthought ]" I bet it's gay porn they rock off too, I bet the so called bi guys watching BB were more into seeing Lewis co£k than Marnies boobs. Fair dues, just wish they'd admit they are gay and proudly take out their subscription to Manhunt, prowler, Grindr, Hot Boyz from Brazil etc and leave the fancying women stuff to experts ie straight men. :joker:

Imagine thinking sexuality is black and white in 2016, poor you I guess!

[Tom4784]

I will even dictate than in 5 +years you'll be with a bloke. :joker:

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[EspeonBB]

What the hell is Hot Boyz From Brazil

[Jamie89]

Bisexuals ultimately are into men. The attraction to women is not genuine. I cringe when bi guys say they " love men......... Oh and women [ afterthought ]" I bet it's gay porn they rock off too, I bet the so called bi guys watching BB were more into seeing Lewis co£k than Marnies boobs. Fair dues, just wish they'd admit they are gay and proudly take out their subscription to Manhunt, prowler, Grindr, Hot Boyz from Brazil etc and leave the fancying women stuff to experts ie straight men. :joker:

Can you not see that your view of bisexuality is entirely based on uninformed assumptions? You assume that a bi man's attraction to women is an afterthought, you think they 'rock off' only to gay porn, you bet they'd rather see Lewis' ****... I mean you don't actually know any of this stuff yet you're happy to conclude that a whole sexuality just doesn't exist :joker: It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so shamefully ignorant.

[Yaki da]

Biphobia eh? when did they make that word up? :laugh:

[Jack_]

All I can say to y'all is don't take the bait. Alex often makes these kind of try hard comments, hoping someone will bite. Don't bother :laugh:

[hot2go]

Funny how so many people on here think the housemates should be making allowances for peoples age yet they don't apply the same principle to Biggins....it's all so convenient which is why I don't take a lot of posts seriously ....and I can't believe I'm defending Biggins cause I don't even like him but I support him on this one.

[rusticgal]

He surprised me with that comment, he knows the show I reckon he wants out ASAP and knows that comment will help his popularity plummet


I completely disagree...this man wants to win bigtime. It's just he doesn't realise how this programme is going to expose him for what he is.

[Cherie]

I completely disagree...this man wants to win bigtime. It's just he doesn't realise how this programme is going to expose him for what he is.

He has been on BOTS enough times to know the score, and the sudience, I don't think he was pleased to be stitched up in the task, winning means nothing, he has his fee as long as he doesnt walk

[hot2go]

I completely disagree...this man wants to win bigtime. It's just he doesn't realise how this programme is going to expose him for what he is.

He def wants to win,,,.he expects to win.....he believes he is a national treasure which in itself is a contradiction because being a national treasure is like being beautiful, it is only someone else's perception ....if someone thinks they are a national treasure themself then that's the very reason that I don't consider them to be one.

[iRyan]

So ignorant and narrow minded, both him and Renee

[Shaun]

Is the myth that unless you're simultaneously boning both a man and a woman you're not bisexual still being propagated? What tedious trolling.

[iRyan]

I'm surprised nobody took them up on those comments either.

[Heaven = Winner]

I'm not gonna say I really understand what Renee meant, but I'm not that mad at her because she just wasn't aware about the concept of bisexuality, since she doesn't have a huge knowledge of the LGBT community.

Biggins, however, was disgraceful. He should at least stick up for other members of his own community, rather than bringing them down.

[jennyjuniper]

I've always thought that bisexual people are greedy beggers, they want their cake and to eat it too.!!

[azi]

More disappointed in Biggins than Renee since he is gay and should understand more.

[Ammi]

..what would Sir Ian McKellen say...age is never an excuse for mind-sets like this because he's lived many years from back in the day of whatever the views were then..he's not been in a cocoon for all of his life...and he has never seemed like the sort of person to want to say things just for the 'shock factor' either so, so disappointing that he would have said something like that and that he actually believes it..?..

[alex_front2]

What the hell is Hot Boyz From Brazil Oops, I meant Hot Twinks from Brazil. :laugh:

http://countdown.onlineclock.net/
Countdown till BB17 comes out 100% gay. We knew all along Hughie.

[arista]

"Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".

Wtf? :nono:

How ignorant can you be?




He is a Snob

[chuff me dizzy]

HIS opinion ,and no one has the right to tell him he's wrong

[Ellen]

Biggins expressed his own opinion in a chat. For all we know he could have met a few bisexuals in his lifetime who didnt want to admit to been gay and maybe came out as gay at a later date and that is where his opinion came from.

[alex_front2]

I'm surprised nobody took them up on those comments either.

Maybe just maybe the rest of housemates are not special snowflake enablers and actually agreed with Biggins. Just a thought.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Maybe just maybe the rest of housemates are not special snowflake enablers and actually agreed with Biggins. Just a thought.

are you gay?

[joeysteele]

..what would Sir Ian McKellen say...age is never an excuse for mind-sets like this because he's lived many years from back in the day of whatever the views were then..he's not been in a cocoon for all of his life...and he has never seemed like the sort of person to want to say things just for the 'shock factor' either so, so disappointing that he would have said something like that and that he actually believes it..?..

I have friends who are bisexual,I think Biggins was wrong to generalise,he too 'must', in my view, know people who are bisexual.

Changed my mind as to him in an instant when he said that, and even worse stuck by it.

[Ammi]

I have friends who are bisexual,I think Biggins was wrong to generalise,he too 'must', in my view, know people who are bisexual.

Changed my mind as to him in an instant when he said that, and even worse stuck by it.

...and also especially as he's older, rather than be any kind of 'excusing', Joey because of the more closed mind-sets back in the day compared to now....I wonder how many times (back in the day..).. either he or someone he knows would have had something like..'homosexuality, that's not a 'real' thing surely but some kind of choice..?..' thrown at them....just staggering that he could hold such a view of bi-sexuality....

[smudgie]

Perhaps he has only met people that said they were bi but turned out to be gay, perhaps not wanting to come out. Not forgetting he has been around for a very long time and things were very different when it was all illegal.:shrug:
None of us have a clue to what he has experienced in his life or the people he has met down the years.
He was simply giving his personal opinion, hardly asking for their heads on a plate.

[alex_front2]

To all those who say Biggins didn't mean this, he did. It's a long held belief
http://attitude.co.uk/christopher-biggins-bisexuals-ruin-lives/

Fair dues, he's going up against his "community", along with the US agony Uncle Dan Savage, I'm beginning to see the so called LGBT community isn't one big happy family. I see plenty of gay guys who don't believe in transgender people, 'Drop the T'. Civil War is brewing in LGBT.

*Grabs popcorn *

[Liam-]

In my life, the majority of people I know that have come out as bi, have later come out as gay, so I can see why people would think that it's more of a 'stepping stone' sexuality, for people to test the waters with people's reactions to them liking the same gender, but to tar 100% of bisexual people with that brush is wrong.

[Tom4784]

HIS opinion ,and no one has the right to tell him he's wrong

In my OPINION he is wrong and ignorant and unlike Renee who isn't apart of the LGBT scene and doesn't understand it, he has no excuse for his ignorance.

Opinions are a two way street.

[calyman]

It's not for old buffoons like him to dictate what is bisexuality or even gayness. He comes from a generation where it was acceptable among many repressed gay men to marry a woman and thereby ruin their own and their wife's life. Fortunately we live in more enlightened times. Whatever one calls oneself, they are obviously comfortable with that title. There is no "GLBT" Licence Board dictating how you must perceive yourself.

[Beso]

In my OPINION he is wrong and ignorant and unlike Renee who isn't apart of the LGBT scene and doesn't understand it, he has no excuse for his ignorance.

Opinions are a two way street.

I doubt it's ignorance on Christopher's behalf, he has made that judgement from years and years of experience so I don't think it's fair to call him ignorant.:nono:

[Tom4784]

I doubt it's ignorance on Christopher's behalf, he has made that judgement from years and years of experience so I don't think it's fair to call him ignorant.:nono:

To deny a sexuality just because it doesn't fit with his view of the world is ignorant.

[Niamh.]

HIS opinion ,and no one has the right to tell him he's wrong

except bisexual people of course..who would actually know for a fact that he was wrong ...........

[bots]

Does anyone really believe that Biggins is the all seeing, ultimate in wisdom Oracle? :laugh:

The guy is a knob end, always has been. He has never asked to be treated seriously by the public in anything he has done, so why should he now be taken seriously for 1 comment made in passing? Too funny :laugh:

[caprimint]

It's incredibly dumb. Forcing yourself to 'choose a side' is ridiculous. Why do people have to have a label? It's possible to be completely open about who you fall in love with instead of putting yourself in a box with one gender.

[alex_front2]

Marnie came out as bi to a great deal of media hype and fanfare, she even scored a cover of a lesbian mag Diva (Marnie became "famous" during the last days of lads mags and even she didn't get to be on their covers), so she gets all the publicity of saying she's bi ala Drew Barrymore and the others I've listed in this thread and surprise surprise she's now back on the co£k diet

http://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1526825/women-dont-satisfy-me-as-much-as-men-bisexual-celebrity-big-brother-housemate-reveals-all-about-her-sexuality/

Women don't satisfy her like men, spoken like a straight lass. Well done Marnie great publicity coup from all the media bi coming out hype. A few more drunken snkgs with girls and she might cement her place as a TV reality fixture. I suspect she will not be bothering any vaginas ever again :laugh2:

Forgot to add to the bi now gay later list of men:
Duncan James from Boyband Blue came out as bi in a blaze of glory, -telling the world how hot and sexy men were and how sweet women were (not hot, not sexy, but sweet :laugh:, bless).

Frank Ocean came out as bi during Channel Orange era a few years back but is now quietly out as gay.

George Shelly ex Union J originally hinted he was bisexual but has now playing the don't label me card and become more coy and has been linked with a string of men. Got a feeling in 5years time there will still be no female partners on the scene. Just a hunch.

Olie Locke from Made In Chelsea came out bi about 2 years ago, everyone laughed at his supposed interest in women, he got very indignant when everyone shrugged and said he was actually gay. Women weren't interested. Fast forward 2 years, I think we all know what happened next. :laugh3:

This is where I differ from Biggins, whereas he sees bisexuals as being gays not fully out I see bisexuals as being g people into men but claiming to like women for nefarious reasons but as reasons womens reasons different to men.

[VanessaFeltz.]

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person:umm2:

[Anaesthesia]

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person:umm2:

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

Personally I dont think there's any need to shout about whatever it is you prefer in the bedroom.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

you are right about celebs but their behaviour tells more about them rather than biseuxality in general

[alex_front2]

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person:umm2:
Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment a mistake and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys but saying ginger Josh who works in accounts who is now out as gay would be unknown to all here.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard. :laugh:

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away Dan Pontifex. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it in wave of media hype but is back with a man, long term married to Erik Anders.

Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you muchmu certainly not to marry or long term , :joker:

[Anaesthesia]

you are right about celebs but their behaviour tells more about them rather than biseuxality in general

Agree.

[Anaesthesia]

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard. :laugh:

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it but is back with a man, long term.


Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you much. :joker:

Actually, I would probably say Sam Fox is a genuine bisexual.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard. :laugh:

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it but is back with a man, long term.


Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you much. :joker:

it really doesnt matter how many people you know that used bi as a phrase if there is one person truly likes both genders then bisexuality is real.

i am not bisexual but i know the pain so when they speak about it i believe that because of the mutual experimence

[Headie]

HIS opinion ,and no one has the right to tell him he's wrong

So I suppose Winston McKenzie shouldn't have been criticised for saying that gay marriage is child abuse because it's his opinion?

[Withano]

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

[Livia]

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

Post of the thread. Nothing else to say... move along now.

[Cherie]

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

Personally I dont think there's any need to shout about whatever it is you prefer in the bedroom.

[puzzled]

I don't know how non-bi people have the gall to tell people who are bi that they aren't. Biggins really should know better. After all, he lived in an era when people denied that people were born gay, but they chose to be gay. I'm older than Biggins, so I don't give him a pass.

[lewis111]

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

Exactly, no one can argue against this

[MB.]

Well, here comes The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/biphobia-celebrity-big-brother-christopher-biggins?CMP=twt_gu)

[VanessaFeltz.]

I don't know how non-bi people have the gall to tell people who are bi that they aren't. Biggins really should know better. After all, he lived in an era when people denied that people were born gay, but they chose to be gay. I'm older than Biggins, so I don't give him a pass.

i wish every parent would be as wise as you we would have an amazing generation

[hot2go]

So I suppose Winston McKenzie shouldn't have been criticised for saying that gay marriage is child abuse because it's his opinion?

What Winston said isn't true but it's his belief ....if he was against gay people or attacking them it would be wrong but he was only expressing his beliefs....like millions of other idiots he believes what the bible teaches and therefore that is his faith...he lives by the bible so believes it is a sin to be gay and a sin to have sex outside of marriage ....personally I would be happy to see every church burned to the ground but I respect that is his faith and he has to follow it.
I don't agree with women being second class and being made to live behind burkas but I have to respect that is the faith of some religions and therefore it's their truth. Winstons harsh delivery of his beliefs was expressed completely wrong which makes him a dip sh-t IMO but his choice to live by the bible is his right. I am gay but I choose to see it from his perspective and I understand it. Do I agree ? no, I don't but I understand his reasons.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Iv not checked but any actual evidence in this thread to say he is wrong specifically or is it all just standard guesswork based on prejudice?

[hot2go]

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

[Anaesthesia]

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say, he is also from an era where it wasn't discussed, certainly from an era where porn wasn't all over the internet and "lesbianism" wasn't something for guys to drool over. I do feel that in SOME cases bisexuality is used as a byword for experimentation, and also that an audience wants to see someone swinging both ways, though admittedly, again, that is for the girl on girl.

I also feel that exposure hasn't necessarily been a bad thing in that it has shown an acceptance of those that are bisexual...and I feel that the genuine bisexuals are those like Sam Fox who openly say that they fall in love with a person, not a gender.

Yes, experiment, why not? But unless you can see yourself in a long lasting, loving relationship with a member of either sex, without really minding which, please do not rush to label yourself as bisexual for the cool factor, when it's just experimentation, because it clouds the issue even more.

This from me, who doesn't think it's anyone else's business, let alone a topic for the media, what you like to do.

[Jamie89]

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

Biggins isn't some shut-away old man so being 67 isn't an excuse. He's taken part in enough Pride and LGBT events to be aware of Bisexuality and the modern world around him, and to adapt his views just like many other people from his era have, but he's obviously chosen not to. If he's going to chose to be prejudiced and ignorant then he's open to being criticised for it imo.

[lewis111]

You can't allow people to insult a huge group of people then just be like "aww it's jut cause he's old he doesn't understand" We need to stop accepting homophobia and biphobia(apparently that's the word) in a way we don't with racism etc You wouldn't blame age on that if something was said

[reece(:]

You can't allow people to insult a huge group of people then just be like "aww it's jut cause he's old he doesn't understand" We need to stop accepting homophobia and biphobia(apparently that's the word) in a way we don't with racism etc You wouldn't blame age on that if something was said

:clap1:

[hot2go]

When that bitch Thatcher made gay a dirty word, when she banned the mention of it in schools, when she introduced clause 28, when her and Raegans propaganda turned the world against the gay community just at the point they needed to be loved the most, when the US government and their multi nationals made billions of dollars using AIDS victims as Guinea pigs it was gay men and women who stood up and were counted....they were the brave ones...most of the bisexual men acted like cowards and left the rest of us to it.....the world has moved on to a better place now and Biggins hasn't moved on with it but I can understand his perspective....he prob has very few good personal experiences of bisexual men and therefore very poor opinions of them. I don't like the guy, never have, but I can understand why he holds his views about it. It's easy for young people to say there is no excuse when they haven't lived through the nightmare of those times.

[caprimint]

Yeah I can't get down with the whole 'age' thing. The amount of years you've lived for is absolutely no excuse. It all comes down to how ignorant the person is at the end of the day.

[Tom4784]

Iv not checked but any actual evidence in this thread to say he is wrong specifically or is it all just standard guesswork based on prejudice?

Not really a question of evidence, Bi people know what they are and what they aren't, they don't need bigoted arseholes like Biggins dictating their sexuality to them.

[puzzled]

i wish every parent would be as wise as you we would have an amazing generation

I think that the younger generations are getting better and better in terms of acceptance and inclusivity.

[Beso]

What Winston said isn't true but it's his belief ....if he was against gay people or attacking them it would be wrong but he was only expressing his beliefs....like millions of other idiots he believes what the bible teaches and therefore that is his faith...he lives by the bible so believes it is a sin to be gay and a sin to have sex outside of marriage ....personally I would be happy to see every church burned to the ground but I respect that is his faith and he has to follow it.
I don't agree with women being second class and being made to live behind burkas but I have to respect that is the faith of some religions and therefore it's their truth. Winstons harsh delivery of his beliefs was expressed completely wrong which makes him a dip sh-t IMO but his choice to live by the bible is his right. I am gay but I choose to see it from his perspective and I understand it. Do I agree ? no, I don't but I understand his reasons.



I want to see all mosques burnt to the ground.


Well I don't really, but imagine if you had said that.:omgno:

[ThriceShy]

"Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".

Wtf? :nono:

How ignorant can you be?

It is a tad hypocritical of him as he used to be married to a woman.

[ThriceShy]

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

In other words, "I am right because I say so."

You really can't be serious.

[Withano]

In other words, "I am right because I say so."

You really can't be serious.

Or because I've spent more than ten seconds researching something.

I'm sorry that its your opinion that basic biology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo but its time to get your head in the real world.

[ThriceShy]

Or because I've spent more than ten seconds researching something.

I'm sorry that its your opinion that basic biology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo but its time to get your head in the real world.

So you don't believe any "opinions" exist? Only facts. And people are either educated on the facts or not.

Really?

It must be great to live in such a black and white world. You could get a discount on your TV licence.

[Withano]

Does make you wonder how highly people think of themselves when they really believe that they can be right about millions of other people but millions of people are wrong about themselves.

Get your head out of your asses, you just havent educated yourself on basic human sexuality.

[Marsh.]

The baiting in here is so damn desperate.

[Withano]

So you don't believe any "opinions" exist? Only facts. And people are either educated on the facts or not.

Really?

It must be great to live in such a black and white world. You could get a discount on your TV licence.

Opinions exist, obviously. but if its your opinion that 2+2=6 then youre an idiot.

Facts exist too, something you dont understand. Ignoring a fact because you have an opinion which opposes the fact makes you an idiot.

[Withano]

The baiting in here is so damn desperate.

She blocked me at one point, it was awesome. Dont know why she unblocked me tbh

[Marsh.]

So you don't believe any "opinions" exist? Only facts. And people are either educated on the facts or not.

Really?

It must be great to live in such a black and white world. You could get a discount on your TV licence.

Someone didn't learn the difference between fact and opinion at school. :pat:

[ThriceShy]

Does make you wonder how highly people think of themselves when they really believe that they can be right about millions of other people but millions of people are wrong about themselves.

Get your head out of your asses, you just havent educated yourself on basic human sexuality.


Psst. I am right when I say millions of religious people are deluded to believe a god actually exists.

Do you see? Large numbers of people can get it very wrong.

So lets see this actual scientific proof that biggins is wrong. I can't wait for this.

[Jack_]

Let's not entertain this bull**** again lol

[Marsh.]

So believing in an unknown/unseen God is being compared to knowing whether or not you want to **** men or women?

Is this guy serious? :laugh2:

[ThriceShy]

Opinions exist, obviously. but if its your opinion that 2+2=6 then youre an idiot.

Facts exist too, something you dont understand. Ignoring a fact because you have an opinion which opposes the fact makes you an idiot.

But I can prove that 2+2 =4.

How do you prove that Biggins is wrong?

[Marsh.]

But I can prove that 2+2 =4.

How do you prove that Biggins is wrong?

How do you prove that Biggins is right?

[ThriceShy]

How do you prove that Biggins is right?


Why would I try and prove an opinion?:shrug:

I don't know if he is right or wrong. You guys seem to say he is absolutely wrong.

So lets see the proof.

[Marsh.]

Why would I try and prove an opinion?:shrug:

I don't know if he is right or wrong. You guys seem to say he is absolutely wrong.

So lets see the proof.

There are bisexual people in the world enjoying sex with members of both genders.
What kind of proof are you looking for?

[ThriceShy]

There are bisexual people in the world enjoying sex with members of both genders.
What kind of proof are you looking for?

But he didn't claim that wasn't happening.

Do you even know what he said?

[Rob!]

Why would I try and prove an opinion?:shrug:

I don't know if he is right or wrong. You guys seem to say he is absolutely wrong.

So lets see the proof.

How about you ask any number of bisexual people (who there are plenty of on this site alone)? I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell you if they were harbouring some secret deeprooted issue of not being able to complete their sexuality journey.

[Marsh.]

But he didn't claim that wasn't happening.

Do you even know what he said?

He claimed they were closeted gay men.

Do you even know the difference between fact and opinion.

[ThriceShy]

How about you ask any number of bisexual people (who there are plenty of on this site alone)? I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell you if they were harbouring some secret deeprooted issue of not being able to complete their sexuality journey.

But hearing them say all of that isn't proof.

Biggins is claiming that the bisexual people aren't being honest about it. How do we prove that wrong?

[Marsh.]

But hearing them say all of that isn't proof.

Biggins is claiming that the bisexual people aren't being honest about it. How do we prove that wrong?

By forcing them to suck dick and measure their brain waves obviously.

[ThriceShy]

He claimed they were closeted gay men.

Do you even know the difference between fact and opinion.

Given that you earlier asked me to prove an opinion, I don't think that you know the difference.

Biggins claimed that bisexuals were actually gay. How do you prove that wrong?

[ThriceShy]

By forcing them to suck dick and measure their brain waves obviously.

So you have no proof then.

Colour me surprised.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Given that you earlier asked me to prove an opinion, I don't think that you know the difference.

Biggins claimed that bisexuals were actually gay. How do you prove that wrong?

Except that's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact. Facts require evidence. :pat:

[Marsh.]

So you have no proof then.

Colour me surprised.:laugh:

The onus isn't on me to prove anything. :pat:

[Rob!]

Given that you earlier asked me to prove an opinion, I don't think that you know the difference.

Biggins claimed that bisexuals were actually gay. How do you prove that wrong?

Because bisexual means being attracted to both genders whilst gay means being attracted to a single gender? The proof is in the definition of the words... Otherwise bisexuality would be called "stillabitintheclosestlity."

[ThriceShy]

Except that's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact. Facts require evidence. :pat:

No he offered it as his opinion. He knows, as I do, that no actual proof can be found either way.

[Marsh.]

No he offered it as his opinion. He knows, as I do, that no actual proof can be found either way.

Yes, because people who are bisexual can't be seen or heard so we can only imagine what they would and wouldn't be like.

[ThriceShy]

The onus isn't on me to prove anything. :pat:

Great, so you are happy to allow biggins to carry on having his opinion.

Glad we got that sorted.

[Rob!]

No he offered it as his opinion. He knows, as I do, that no actual proof can be found either way.

So what would you call somebody who is attracted to both genders? I really don't understand why this is something you feel you can create any sort of debate about?
Biggins is wrong. He has an outdated view on sexuality. It's as simple as that:

[ThriceShy]

So what would you call somebody who is attracted to both genders? I really don't understand why this is something you feel you can create any sort of debate about?
Biggins is wrong. He has an outdated view on sexuality. It's as simple as that:

He doesn't believe they are attracted to both genders. That's the point.

[Marsh.]

He doesn't believe they are attracted to both genders.

Based on what?

[Rob!]

He doesn't believe they are attracted to both genders. That's the point.

Exactly. So he's wrong. Where is there debate on that?

[bots]

Biggins made a generalisation, and by definition, a generalisation is inherently inaccurate, with a high probability of error. It doesn't mean he was wrong, just not very accurate.

[Marsh.]

I could say I think all straight men are actually repulsed by vaginas and only pretend to like them. Doesn't make that "opinion" in anyway accurate.

[ThriceShy]

Based on what?

Gee, I dunno. Perhaps his experience as being a gay man on the gay scene for the last 50 years, plus being married to a woman himself to disguise it.

It is his opinion. It doesn't need to be based on anything. He doesn't have to justify it and it isn't "wrong" because you say so.

[Rob!]

Gee, I dunno. Perhaps his experience as being a gay man on the gay scene for the last 50 years, plus being married to a woman himself to disguise it.

It is his opinion. It doesn't need to be based on anything. He doesn't have to justify it and it isn't "wrong" because you say so.

It's not an opinion though. You used the word yourself - it's his experience.

[Marsh.]

Perhaps his experience as being a gay man on the gay scene for the last 50 years, plus being married to a woman himself to disguise it..

The experience of a gay man hiding his sexuality doesn't have anything to do with bisexuality though?

You could just as easily say his experience as a gay man marrying a woman proves all married men actually love cock.

The logic here is actually laughable. :joker:

[ThriceShy]

Exactly. So he's wrong. Where is there debate on that?

He is wrong in your opinion.

Your opinion simply differs from his.

[ThriceShy]

The experience of a gay man hiding his sexuality doesn't have anything to do with bisexuality though?

You could just as easily say his experience as a gay man marrying a woman proves all married men actually love cock.

The logic here is actually laughable. :joker:

He isn't making any logical points or deductions. He just feels that bisexuals aren't being honest. Let him have his opinion in this free country.

[Rob!]

He isn't making any logical points or deductions..

Who'd have thought you'd have something in common with Christopher Biggins?

[Rob!]

He is wrong in your opinion.

Your opinion simply differs from his.

It's not an opinion though and you've had that said to you on numerous occasions now.

[empire]

biggins is from the old school gay generation that have some black and white views on things,

[ThriceShy]

I could say I think all straight men are actually repulsed by vaginas and only pretend to like them. Doesn't make that "opinion" in anyway accurate.

Nobody is claiming he is accurate.

I don't know if he is right or not. It is his opinion. Simple as that. In the absence of actual proof, it is just a matter of opinion.

[ThriceShy]

It's not an opinion though and you've had that said to you on numerous occasions now.

I disagree. I think it is an opinion.

[ThriceShy]

Who'd have thought you'd have something in common with Christopher Biggins?

I think I have a lot in common with him.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

He isn't making any logical points or deductions. He just feels that bisexuals aren't being honest. Let him have his opinion in this free country.

Nobody's stopping him having his opinion. He still has it.

People are simply pointing out how illogical and inaccurate it is.

[ThriceShy]

Nobody's stopping him having his opinion. He still has it.

People are simply pointing out how illogical and inaccurate it is.

....In their opinion.

See how this works?

Without proof of something, your opinion is precisely as valid as his.

[Marsh.]

In the absence of actual proof.

I demand we get Dezzy on a lie detector test to settle this once and for all.

[Marsh.]

....In their opinion.

See how this works?

Without proof of something, your opinion is precisely as valid as his.

I know bisexual people who enjoy having sex with both men and women.

That makes my opinion more valid than a gay men saying he thinks bisexuals are actually closeted homosexuals based on him being a gay man who married a woman to hide the fact he was gay. :joker:

[Marsh.]

It's an improvement on BB17, which isn't saying much I grant you.

[ThriceShy]

I know bisexual people who enjoy having sex with both men and women.

That makes my opinion more valid than a gay men saying he thinks bisexuals are actually closeted homosexuals based on him being a gay man who married a woman to hide the fact he was gay. :joker:

You don't know what their real thoughts and feelings are. Neither does Biggins. He just has an opinion on it. Yours differs. Time to build a bridge and get over it.

[ThriceShy]

It's an improvement on BB17, which isn't saying much I grant you.

:laugh::pat:

[Marsh.]

You don't know what their real thoughts and feelings are. Neither does Biggins. He just has an opinion on it. Yours differs. Time to build a bridge and get over it.

So therefore we can't prove anyone is anything.

They could be lying. :suspect: I bet French people aren't real, they're just putting on that stupid accent as a prank. :fist:

[Marsh.]

:laugh::pat:

You agree? Oh, crumbs.

[ThriceShy]

So therefore we can't prove anyone is anything.

They could be lying. :suspect: I bet French people aren't real, they're just putting on that stupid accent as a prank. :fist:

There are lots of things we can prove. If you think you have proof showing biggins to be wrong then post it.

[Mystic Mock]

He isn't making any logical points or deductions. He just feels that bisexuals aren't being honest. Let him have his opinion in this free country.

And people can judge him for it in this free country.

[ThriceShy]

Is Thriceshy a genuinely confused child or an adult who skipped sex ed classes?

I'm not gonna argue about something that has a wrong and right answer any longer. If its a troll, its hopeless, if its an adult, they're clearly too ignorant for this conversation, if its a child its best to let them learn inside their school.

Prove biggins wrong. Or just admit your opinion differs from his.

At this point you need to do one of them.

[Marsh.]

There are lots of things we can prove. If you think you have proof showing biggins to be wrong then post it.

Bisexual people existing proves him wrong.

Again, a gay man pretending to be straight is no "experience" that can feed any form of accurate opinion about bisexuals.
If that were the case bisexuals would all be claiming to be straight.

[ThriceShy]

And people can judge him for it in this free country.

I completely agree.

[Withano]

Prove biggins wrong. Or just admit your opinion differs from his.

At this point you need to do one of them.

You're refusing to accept millions of voices as proof, you refuse to acknowledge a definition of a word as proof, youd probably refuse any number of the thousands of scientific, sociological and psychological academic papers based on bisexuality as proof, youd refuse to believe a real life bisexual person telling you that they get boners to both men and women as proof..

you dont know what kind of proof you want, how would anybody else?

[ThriceShy]

You're refusing to accept millions of voices as proof, you refuse to acknowledge a definition of a word as proof, youd probably refuse any number of the thousands of scientific, sociological and psychological academic papers based on bisexuality as proof, youd refuse to believe a real life bisexual person telling you that they get boners to both men and women as proof..

you dont know what kind of proof you want, how would anybody else?

Could you post some of these? Preferably one's that completely refute Biggins' assertion.

Thanks.

[Withano]

Could you post some of these? Preferably one's that completely refute Biggins' assertion.

Thanks.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/1395682.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1996-98960-000

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=pXxd3gDQFeIC&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=bisexuality&ots=mIBtjJHOe8&sig=0U8sltakSctEBobaaL_-smimfIQ#v=onepage&q=bisexuality&f=false

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/dev/44/1/5/

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01542119#page-1

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=clZgThbI5yIC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=bisexuality&ots=dKocxR96GR&sig=swZMu9trles5aL29KPq4x_X1d0U#v=onepage&q=bisexuality&f=false

http://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Citation/1940/10000/A_Critical_Examination_of_the_Concept_of.7.aspx

Theres a good days worth of reading there, all of which was found with one single google search, something you should have done before arguing about something you clearly know nothing about. But you asked for academic papers that proved you wrong. Here it is. A days worth of reading, you're welcome. See you in a day.

[ThriceShy]

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/1395682.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1996-98960-000

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=pXxd3gDQFeIC&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=bisexuality&ots=mIBtjJHOe8&sig=0U8sltakSctEBobaaL_-smimfIQ#v=onepage&q=bisexuality&f=false

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/dev/44/1/5/

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01542119#page-1

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=clZgThbI5yIC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=bisexuality&ots=dKocxR96GR&sig=swZMu9trles5aL29KPq4x_X1d0U#v=onepage&q=bisexuality&f=false

http://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Citation/1940/10000/A_Critical_Examination_of_the_Concept_of.7.aspx

Theres a good days worth of reading there, all of which was found with one single google search, something you should have done before arguing about something you clearly know nothing about. But you asked for academic papers that proved you wrong. Here it is. A days worth of reading, you're welcome. See you in a day.

Can you just quote the conclusions that refute what Biggins said? It would save me all that time.

Or have you simply dumped the first few studies that google gave you, without reading them yourself?:laugh:

[Withano]

Carry on refusing to accept evidence because you're opinion is that the entire world around you is wrong. You look great. Anyway read literature or carry on having a debate on a subject you have clearly never researched. I'm not here to entertain you anymore.

[ThriceShy]

Carry on refusing to accept evidence because you're opinion is that the entire world around you is wrong. You look great. Anyway read literature or carry on having a debate on a subject you have clearly never researched. I'm not here to entertain you anymore.

You haven't read a word of those papers you linked to, have you?

No wonder you are beating such a hasty retreat.

[Withano]

You haven't read a word of those papers you linked to, have you?

No wonder you are beating such a hasty retreat.

Its 3am, I'm going to sleep :joker: you should do the same... Yes I've read all those papers. Not that it matters, you requested papers that proved you wrong, they're there..? Or are you refusing to accept them as evidence because in your opinion, the world is wrong and you are right.. Refusing evidence is predictable of somebody who understands they're wrong but doesn't want to accept it. But sure get the last comment in because thats how winning arguments work on the internet. Good luck with secondary school.

[Marsh.]

You haven't read a word of those papers you linked to, have you?

No wonder you are beating such a hasty retreat.

You asked him for those links. :joker::joker::joker:

[Jamie89]

Opinions exist, obviously. but if its your opinion that 2+2=6 then youre an idiot.

Facts exist too, something you dont understand. Ignoring a fact because you have an opinion which opposes the fact makes you an idiot.

:joker: :clap2:

Bisexual people existing proves him wrong.

Again, a gay man pretending to be straight is no "experience" that can feed any form of accurate opinion about bisexuals.
If that were the case bisexuals would all be claiming to be straight.

Great point!

[Ammi]

Bisexual people existing proves him wrong.

Again, a gay man pretending to be straight is no "experience" that can feed any form of accurate opinion about bisexuals.
If that were the case bisexuals would all be claiming to be straight.

..yeah it's basically this really...he didn't pull on any personal experiences of people he had known in his life when he made the generalisation..he incorporated all bi-sexuality and more or less saying that it didn't exist and it does, that's not something that is opinion and never will be, so really dumb and (yes ignorant even..)..and age is no excuse because his age should be something that actually would make him less ignorant in a time that he has felt such prejudices back in the day...*launches into an Andy speech of the struggles of sexuality and how far we're meant to have come and at what cost...?..*...and then along came Biggins in the house ...

[camertone]

He's against gay marriage as well. He's an old fashioned homosexual :laugh:

this..

[sampvt]

Biggins is a superstar in his own mind and very old fashioned to boot. He is confused with the Miriad of tags and titles hung on people these days. You are either gay or straight and that's where it ends for him. Bi sexual people just drag his theory down so he slaps it. His views and in a way he's right. If you are neither gay nor straight you must be confused and he probably views bi s as sickos looking for sex from what ever source is available and he isn't a sexually orientated gay. He's an old queen who wants gays to be viewed as the same as straights so he isn't far off point.

[Cherie]

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say, he is also from an era where it wasn't discussed, certainly from an era where porn wasn't all over the internet and "lesbianism" wasn't something for guys to drool over. I do feel that in SOME cases bisexuality is used as a byword for experimentation, and also that an audience wants to see someone swinging both ways, though admittedly, again, that is for the girl on girl.

I also feel that exposure hasn't necessarily been a bad thing in that it has shown an acceptance of those that are bisexual...and I feel that the genuine bisexuals are those like Sam Fox who openly say that they fall in love with a person, not a gender.

Yes, experiment, why not? But unless you can see yourself in a long lasting, loving relationship with a member of either sex, without really minding which, please do not rush to label yourself as bisexual for the cool factor, when it's just experimentation, because it clouds the issue even more.

This from me, who doesn't think it's anyone else's business, let alone a topic for the media, what you like to do.

Great post

[sampvt]

Bi sexuality is used as a label to experience sex in all ways. It's very rarely used by a person who isn't sexually orientated.

[Beso]

How about you ask any number of bisexual people (who there are plenty of on this site alone)? I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell you if they were harbouring some secret deeprooted issue of not being able to complete their sexuality journey.

6 pages in you would have thought they would have by now.:shrug:

[ThriceShy]

The bottom line is that biggins is entitled to his opinion. You can disagree with him and you can judge him for it, but he is entitled to it. BB isn't part of any safe space for special snowflakes.

I suspect people would like to see him get a warning from BB for daring to have that opinion. Thankfully that didn't happen.

[Jamie89]

The bottom line is that biggins is entitled to his opinion. You can disagree with him and you can judge him for it, but he is entitled to it. BB isn't part of any safe space for special snowflakes.

I suspect people would like to see him get a warning from BB for daring to have that opinion. Thankfully that didn't happen.

This is what most of us seem to be doing, I don't think anyone's actually said he isn't entitled to his opinion... so I don't see the relevance of this post? :conf:

[hot2go]

The bottom line is that biggins is entitled to his opinion. You can disagree with him and you can judge him for it, but he is entitled to it. BB isn't part of any safe space for special snowflakes.

I suspect people would like to see him get a warning from BB for daring to have that opinion. Thankfully that didn't happen.

Biggins is not attacking bisexual people or inciting hate towards them....he just doesn't believe that they are all honest and he's dead right, a lot of em aren't...I think his views are more about men than women ...it's rare a gay man suddenly becomes bisexual, it's usually straight ones who do....which shows the pressure society used to put men under to be a certain way and still does today to some extent ...Biggins comes from a time when bisexual men were mostly gay guys in the closet or in denial so I can understand why he holds on to his views about them.....he's not totally accurate in his generalisation of bisexuals but he's allowed his view point. My grandmother didn't like Germans and she had every right to her opinion because her experiences of them justified her prejudice. Biggins experience of bisexual men will be what's behind his assessment of them and that's a shame for him because things are different today but I understand why he thinks the way he does even if I don't agree with him.

[Niamh.]

Biggins is not attacking bisexual people or inciting hate towards them....he just doesn't believe that they are all honest and he's dead right, a lot of em aren't...I think his views are more about men than women ...it's rare a gay man suddenly becomes bisexual, it's usually straight ones who do....which shows the pressure society used to put men under to be a certain way and still does today to some extent ...Biggins comes from a time when bisexual men were mostly gay guys in the closet or in denial so I can understand why he holds on to his views about them.....he's not totally accurate in his generalisation of bisexuals but he's allowed his view point. My grandmother didn't like Germans and she had every right to her opinion because her experiences of them justified her prejudice. Biggins experience of bisexual men will be what's behind his assessment of them and that's a shame for him because things are different today but I understand why he thinks the way he does even if I don't agree with him.

It just seems a bit silly to believe that some people are attracted to the opposite sex and some people are attracted to the same sex but that it's completely impossible for some people to be attracted to both

[hot2go]

It just seems a bit silly to believe that some people are attracted to the opposite sex and some people are attracted to the same sex but that it's completely impossible for some people to be attracted to both

Of course it's silly....everything about him is silly....he's a silly old man....I don't like him....I just can understand why he may have that point of view....in a way I would struggle to understand if he was a young person ...I wouldn't defend him if I thought his prejudice had no reason behind it, he's the last person I would defend...as soon as he said it I asked myself why and I realised its because of the era he's from.

[Niamh.]

Of course it's silly....everything about him is silly....he's a silly old man....I don't like him....I just can understand why he may have that point of view....in a way I would struggle to understand if he was a young person ...I wouldn't defend him if I thought his prejudice had no reason behind it, he's the last person I would defend...as soon as he said it I asked myself why and I realised its because of the era he's from.

I can understand why he thinks that some men come out as bisexual before they come out as being gay, i get why he thinks that and have no doubt that happens sometimes (probably alot more in the past when he was younger) but to say that it's totally impossible for anyone to be Bisexual is just a bit illogical really, if you can be attracted to one or the other why couldn't a person be attracted to both?

[hot2go]

I can understand why he thinks that some men come out as bisexual before they come out as being gay, i get why he thinks that and have no doubt that happens sometimes (probably alot more in the past when he was younger) but to say that it's totally impossible for anyone to be Bisexual is just a bit illogical really, if you can be attracted to one or the other why couldn't a person be attracted to both?

It is illogical....It's intolerance but it comes from somewhere, it's not just mindless prejudice like racism....I think his views are formed because of a few reasons, none of which really exist today, which is why I think it's an age thing....I know when I was young bisexual was often thought of as another word for greedy :laugh: it wasn't really taken serously like it is today and it wasn't part of everyday life. But mostly bisexuals High tailed it back into the closet when the AIDS epidemic came along and that's where a lot of stigma towards them comes from in the older gay community. They were bisexual when it suited them to be but not when the gay community needed them the most. Even today loads of guys call themselves straight but have sex with gay guys and that annoys people.

[hot2go]

I can't speak for bisexual women cause I have no exp of that plus I think women are attracted to people on a more emotional level and therefore more likely to be open about it.

[Marsh.]

Biggins is a superstar in his own mind and very old fashioned to boot. He is confused with the Miriad of tags and titles hung on people these days. You are either gay or straight and that's where it ends for him. Bi sexual people just drag his theory down so he slaps it. His views and in a way he's right. If you are neither gay nor straight you must be confused and he probably views bi s as sickos looking for sex from what ever source is available and he isn't a sexually orientated gay. He's an old queen who wants gays to be viewed as the same as straights so he isn't far off point.

Not sexually oriented?

The number of times I've heard him blather on about blow jobs and it's only day 6.

[Marsh.]

It just seems a bit silly to believe that some people are attracted to the opposite sex and some people are attracted to the same sex but that it's completely impossible for some people to be attracted to both

This. :clap1:

It would be kind of like saying you accept that one man has a penchant for blonde women and another man prefers brunettes but it's completely inconceivable for a man to be attracted to both. :joker: It's just ridiculous.

[lewis111]

It's not really an opinion though (sorry) but a false statement
Being against same sex marriage or something would be an opinion he would be entitled to, but he's just going around stating things that are false

[StephenPullen]

So he has a different opinion than you do. Does that mean he is a bad person? Get over yourself.

[lewis111]

1) never said he was a bad person
2) I never said anything that made me seem like I'm full of myself
3) ITS NOT AN OPINION it's like saying grass doesn't exist or females don't exist it's a false statement he made

[ThriceShy]

1) never said he was a bad person
2) I never said anything that made me seem like I'm full of myself
3) ITS NOT AN OPINION it's like saying grass doesn't exist or females don't exist it's a false statement he made

He didn't say bisexuals don't exist. Why pretend he said something that he didn't say?:shrug:

He said that he believes bisexuals have a different motive than they portray.

Just his opinion.

[Marsh.]

He didn't say bisexuals don't exist. Why pretend he said something that he didn't say?:shrug:

He said that he believes bisexuals have a different motive than they portray.

Just his opinion.

Yes, and by saying that he's implying bisexuality isn't a real thing ergo does not exist. Since they're being dishonest about it?

Maybe try understanding the so-called "opinion" you're defending?

[ThriceShy]

Yes, and by saying that he's implying bisexuality isn't a real thing ergo does not exist. Since they're being dishonest about it?

Maybe try understanding the so-called "opinion" you're defending?

He accepts they exist. He knows there are people having sex with both genders. He just thinks that they exist for a different reason than you think they exist.

Do you believe he isn't entitled to that opinion?

[Rob!]

He accepts they exist. He knows there are people having sex with both genders. He just thinks that they exist for a different reason than you think they exist.

Do you believe he isn't entitled to that opinion?

It isn't an opinion though!!!!!!!! He's stating that bisexuals are all hiding from a desire to just sleep with the one gender which isn't what bisexual means!
He didn't say "I think that bisexuals are just afraid of being gay." He stated it as a fact. A fact which is completely and utterly wrong.

[Ammi]

..I always think it's strange that it only seems to be prejudiced/bigoted views etc that seem to be held onto from 'back in the day'...with people who seem very 'modern' in their lives in every other way...Biggins is in his 60s or whatever age he is and apparently he can make such a generalised ignorant statement on a reality TV show and yet he's never had conversations/thoughts etc about bi-sexuality before..?..in all of these years, he hasn't once re-assessed his opinion and mind-set on this with the people around him..?..and in a showbiz world as well, where he surely must know and have met bi-sexual people..?...there have been no conversations that have taken place, no questioning, no 'educating' of the old Biggins..?..so the poor old chap finds himself on a reality show in his 60s or whatever age he is and poor old fellow makes such an ignorant statement that we're all discussing...?....hmmm, that's just really difficult to believe that he's expressed his own sexuality so much through his life and it's so much a part of him and yet there seems to have been an avoidance etc of discussion and realisation of bi-sexuality....hmmmm....

[bots]

..I always think it's strange that it only seems to be prejudiced/bigoted views etc that seem to be held onto from 'back in the day'...with people who seem very 'modern' in their lives in every other way...Biggins is in his 60s or whatever age he is and apparently he can make such a generalised ignorant statement on a reality TV show and yet he's never had conversations/thoughts etc about bi-sexuality before..?..in all of these years, he hasn't once re-assessed his opinion and mind-set on this with the people around him..?..and in a showbiz world as well, where he surely must know and have met bi-sexual people..?...there have been no conversations that have taken place, no questioning, no 'educating' of the old Biggins..?..so the poor old chap finds himself on a reality show in his 60s or whatever age he is and poor old fellow makes such an ignorant statement that we're all discussing...?....hmmm, that's just really difficult to believe that he's expressed his own sexuality so much through his life and it's so much a part of him and yet there seems to have been an avoidance etc of discussion and realisation of bi-sexuality....hmmmm....

until you have lived your life in that persons shoes, I think its difficult to assess where he is coming from. Its the easiest thing in the world to take a comment and over analyse it. I've never really liked Biggins, but I do think he is being judged harshly here.

[Ammi]

until you have lived your life in that persons shoes, I think its difficult to assess where he is coming from. Its the easiest thing in the world to take a comment and over analyse it. I've never really liked Biggins, but I do think he is being judged harshly here.

..and quite careless and non-thinking to throw out a comment in the way he did with no clarification at all because he of all people and for the very reason of his age will know and have experienced so many prejudices and lack of understanding..'ignorance' himself so will know the importance of making it perfectly clear that 'he himself in his whole life has never experienced..but that's only his personal experiences..'..?...but still though with that, he has closed his mind to a sexuality and for that he will be judged as he has judged...

[Semtex]

Are Bisexual Men allowed to be Drama Kings?

[Cherie]

..and quite careless and non-thinking to throw out a comment in the way he did with no clarification at all because he of all people and for the very reason of his age will know and have experienced so many prejudices and lack of understanding..'ignorance' himself so will know the importance of making it perfectly clear that 'he himself in his whole life has never experienced..but that's only his personal experiences..'..?...but still though with that, he has closed his mind to a sexuality and for that he will be judged as he has judged...

In fairness he might have qualified it, but it was edited out to create a talking point. I'm not a Biggins fan but I feel ythere might have been a bit more to the conversation.

[Ammi]

In fairness he might have qualified it, but it was edited out to create a talking point. I'm not a Biggins fan but I feel ythere might have been a bit more to the conversation.

..I understand what you're saying Cherie/what some are saying in the thread...(I was a Biggins fan, he's always seemed quite lovely..)...but "Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".
..even if qualified with his own personal experiences of people he knows etc, would still be dismissing a sexuality in the way he has generalised it, no matter what the 'add ons' as it were...he's an intelligent person (or it would seem..)...so ignorance would seem unlikely but more prejudice/intolerance from someone who must have himself and 'of his time' especially, experienced so much 'denial' of homosexuality/any sexuality that did not conform to the 'norm' within society...

[Cherie]

..I understand what you're saying Cherie/what some are saying in the thread...(I was a Biggins fan, he's always seemed quite lovely..)...but "Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".
..even if qualified with his own personal experiences of people he knows etc, would still be dismissing a sexuality in the way he has generalised it, no matter what the 'add ons' as it were...he's an intelligent person (or it would seem..)...so ignorance would seem unlikely but more prejudice/intolerance from someone who must have himself and 'of his time' especially, experienced so much 'denial' of homosexuality/any sexuality that did not conform to the 'norm' within society...

I will be interested to see if Emma questions him on it, and I hope she does so we can hear his views maybe he feels he is so well loved he can get away with remarks like that.. I was surprised at him in all honesty

[Ammi]

I will be interested to see if Emma questions him on it, and I hope she does so we can hear his views maybe he feels he is so well loved he can get away with remarks like that.. I was surprised at him in all honesty

..yeah, mind you she's probably very limited in what she's allowed to question on as well...:laugh:..I don't believe with such a carefully highlighted/slanted and 'character' devising show, that they just say...go Emma, ask what you like.../cynical...

[sampvt]

..I understand what you're saying Cherie/what some are saying in the thread...(I was a Biggins fan, he's always seemed quite lovely..)...but "Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".
..even if qualified with his own personal experiences of people he knows etc, would still be dismissing a sexuality in the way he has generalised it, no matter what the 'add ons' as it were...he's an intelligent person (or it would seem..)...so ignorance would seem unlikely but more prejudice/intolerance from someone who must have himself and 'of his time' especially, experienced so much 'denial' of homosexuality/any sexuality that did not conform to the 'norm' within society...

Bi sexual a are not just straights not admitting to being gay. They could be gays not wanting to admit they are actually straight and only want to be gay to broaden their sexual availability.

[Ammi]

...hmmm, but those situations Sam, if were the case for some individuals, wouldn't define someone as a bi-sexual though is really the thing of it and neither would they dismiss that sexuality which is what Biggins in his generalisation, did...

[Lstan]

I think its already been said by a few on here but unfortunately this attitude towards bisexuals by people like biggins is nothing new, or rare. Ironic and sad really. Its one of the big reasons the lbgt community have problems.

[Robodog]

I disagree with Biggins 100% on that issue but...

People are entitled to have, and to express opinions that others 100% disagree with.

If not, we are all in trouble.

[letmein]

He's against gay marriage as well. He's an old fashioned homosexual :laugh:

He's married, ain't he?

[azelf]

He makes me homouphobic. Even though I'm a homousexual.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

I disagree with Biggins 100% on that issue but...

People are entitled to have, and to express opinions that others 100% disagree with.

If not, we are all in trouble.

There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. As far as I'm concerned, what Biggins stated was nothing but hate. There may have been young bisexual men and women who were watching what he said and feeling even worse about themselves than they already do.

Let me say this, I have suffered depression from around the age of 13, mainly because of my sexuality. I was so confused. 'What am I?', I always thought to myself. 'How can I be attracted to both males and females? Something has to be wrong with me. I'm a freak. Okay, I'm probably just confused and need to figure out who I am'.

Fast forward to my 20's, and I was still feeling confused and weird because I am attracted to both males and females. This opinion of myself was formed through others' ignorance on the topic, from those who had been marinated in a toxicity and spitefulness because of some 'off' experience they may have had with someone. I took it on myself to do research about this topic. I found that there is something called a sexuality spectrum. Whilst there are many who are 100% gay or 100% straight; there are also many who fall on the spectrum anywhere in between. Someone can be 60% gay and 40% straight for example. A bisexual may be more attracted to one sex more than another - that doesn't mean they aren't bisexual.

If I, a bisexual male, get turned on by both males and females, what am I? Are you going to tell me that my feelings and instincts are wrong and a lie? Are you going to tell me that I'm disgusting?

When I was 19, I came out as gay as opposed to bisexual due to fear of being rejected by my own community. It was only a year ago that I built up the courage to admit to being bisexual to those around me. Ironically, my family found it harder to accept my bisexuality than me being gay. My current girlfriend doesn't mind and is very open-minded, so I'm very lucky there. I don't and have never slept around, which is a very common misconception of bisexuals. I have only ever slept with 3 people. I am very happy in my current relationship, and my gf knows that I would rather end our r/ship before I would ever even think about cheating on her. It doesn't even come into my mind.

I wish people would do research on a topic, especially when it's affecting their own community. There is a problem within the LGBTQ community with regards to gay people shunning bisexuals.

I am a bisexual and I am proud. My sexuality is normal and valid. If you can't get that through your very ignorant and misinformed brain, I feel sorry for you.

[azelf]

I don't mind him now

[Ant.]

The Bisexuals have achieved justice
the biphobe has been removed

[sungrass]

It was awful but there are a lot of gay men who think bisexuals aren't real or think bisexuality is a stepping stone to coming out as gay

Well it happens i.e Olly Locke and Sam from Towie- started off they were bi now they are out as gay.

[sungrass]

...hmmm, but those situations Sam, if were the case for some individuals, wouldn't define someone as a bi-sexual though is really the thing of it and neither would they dismiss that sexuality which is what Biggins in his generalisation, did...

Well I dont really like biggins - not my cup of tea - but he loves Samatha Fox and I must admit I really like her - she hasnt given her sexuality a label and Biggins hasnt as far as I am aware said or done anything to make her feel uncomfortable?

I think he has probably said something else - will have to wait until Sunday to know as I can only watch on catch up!

[Kizzy]

He can't have been removed for saying that?...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".

Wtf? :nono:

How ignorant can you be?

But isn't it true to some extent? I have yet to meet someone who didn't eventually become ''full'' gay http://i66.tinypic.com/2jfzyma.gif

But can Bernardo go in now then please