England : HIV Campaigners Win Court Battle For Treatment for risky Sex drug

[arista]

[An Aids charity has won a
High Court battle to ensure
a "game-changing" preventative
HIV treatment can be funded by the NHS.
NHS England said it had received advice
that it does not have the legal power
to fund pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP)
- a "highly effective" anti-retroviral drug
used to stop HIV from becoming
established in the event of transmission.
Instead, it said the drug - which
costs £400 per month for each patient - was
the responsibility of local councils,
which are in charge of funding
preventative health services.]


Only in England NHS
this Funding is not wanted by the NHS
they are due to Fight in Court in a Appeal.

http://news.sky.com/story/charity-wins-court-battle-for-hiv-treatment-10520066

[smudgie]

£400a month to prevent getting something you could avoid.:shrug:

At the same time not enough money in the kitty for certain cancers drugs..
Doesn't make sense to me at face value.

[arista]

Its Money the NHS can not afford

Debate now on LBC
http://www.lbc.co.uk/

[Niamh.]

£400a month to prevent getting something you could avoid.:shrug:

At the same time not enough money in the kitty for certain cancers drugs..
Doesn't make sense to me at face value.

yup pretty much this, seems a bit silly

[Firewire]

Not silly, it's an important drug. The right decision :clap1:

[Livia]

That's a lot of money to prevent a disease that's already preventable. It's like a licence for people to go out and have unprotected sex that's going to cost the NHS £400 a week. Bloody scandalous when people are being denied life-extending drugs for cancer and other diseases.

This mad decision is going to reflect quite badly on the gay community, I think.

[Liam-]

Just wrap yourself up and don't share needles, common sense is the only thing needed to avoid HIV.

[T*]

This is incredibly important. You can always go on about how it's so avoidable but **** happens. Drunken mistakes happen. Condoms split.
This is vital for the Gay community.

[arista]

That's a lot of money to prevent a disease that's already preventable. It's like a licence for people to go out and have unprotected sex that's going to cost the NHS £400 a week. Bloody scandalous when people are being denied life-extending drugs for cancer and other diseases.

This mad decision is going to reflect quite badly on the gay community, I think.


Yes a Expert phoned in
and said that it stops HIV
but Not all other STD's

[Tom4784]

Plenty of diseases are preventable, doesn't mean we should withhold important treatment though.

If it was any other kind of contagious disease, I think people would be a lot more sympathetic.

[smudgie]

So, we give every gay a pill, then why not every prostitute, hey, and while we are at it what about just to be fair, every person indulging in sex, after all accidents happen and we are all one drunken/unprotected shag away from disaster. Where do we draw the line.
For years we have tried to get away from the idea that HIV is only a danger to gays, straight people get it as well.
I am sure I heard on the BBC news this morning that you can buy the drugs for £40/£50 on the Internet, makes more sense to buy them yourselves if you are really concerned.

[armand.kay]

Plenty of diseases are preventable, doesn't mean we should withhold important treatment though.

If it was any other kind of contagious disease, I think people would be a lot more sympathetic.

Nothing but truth Dezzy.

[Livia]

HIV isn't a disease that affects only gay people. I wanted to say that first...

People have to rake responsibility for themselves. If you're going out to have unprotected sex with people whose background you don't know I don't think it's economic for the NHS to supply you with pills so you don't develop AIDS. Wear a condom. And if you're not sure of the person's sexual health, don't have sex with them!

People who have cancer and other life-threatening diseases are being denied life-extending drugs because the NHS is being made to spend money on unfair stuff like this.

The isn't anything to do with people being unsympathetic to the plight of gay people, it's to do with the fact that the NHS are being forced to provide these pills to allow gay people to continue having unprotected sex.

I hope that the NHS's appeal is upheld and sense prevails.

[Livia]

Plenty of diseases are preventable, doesn't mean we should withhold important treatment though.

If it was any other kind of contagious disease, I think people would be a lot more sympathetic.

This isn't a treatment... it's a preventative measure.

I'm totally against this... and yet... I totally support equality for gay people. And listening some people who've thought this thing through to the end, there are plenty of gay people who also think it's madness.

[Shaun]

I'd imagine the reason this has been green flagged and not, say, some other experimental cancer drugs, or something else, is its success rate? Rather than say its importance or necessity. Which from a purely practical point of view (which I don't doubt most of those with the purse strings on the NHS have) makes sense, I guess... but I do agree it's not the most vital expense right now. But then forcing the public to have "what's more important, HIV or cancer?", "who's more in need, transgender people or anorexics?" debates instead of, I don't know, increasing NHS funding to allow both, is a moral nightmare and something the conservatives get off on I'm sure.

[arista]

Ian Dale (Live LBC) says
a Private Clinic in London
sells "Prep" drug at £130 a month

[arista]

[makes sense, I guess... but I do agree it's not the most vital expense right now. But then forcing the public to have "what's more important, HIV or cancer?", "who's more in need, transgender people or anorexics?"]


Yes Shaun
a Top Debate on Ch4HD News Live
tonight , from 7PM may go fisty cuffs


NHS Debt around £ 2 Billion (Ref LBC)

[Northern Monkey]

So you take this after you've had unprotected sex if you think you may have contracted it or what?

[Liam-]

So you take this after you've had unprotected sex if you think you may have contracted it or what?

You take it before, so you're free to go and have all the unprotected sex you want.

[Northern Monkey]

You take it before, so you're free to go and have all the unprotected sex you want.

So basically anyone who is sexually active goes and gets this at £400 p/m?That's ridiculous.If it was a treatment i'd agree with it but £400 a month for almost every adult would cost like billions?

[lewis111]

I mean on one side it kinda makes sense
It might end up saving the NHS money but less people getting HIV

But then there is already clear ways to prevent getting it so why pay to provide another way

[Liam-]

I, as a gay man, personally find this ludicrous, why should the government fund something that's not needed? like people have said, if it was a pill to treat HIV or aids, then yes, go for it, but this is basically the government funding people sleeping with anything that moves without having as big of a worry of catching HIV, there are ways to avoid catching it without tax payers having to fork out for it, just be sensible, I see this as just giving people license to be as dirty as possible and have even less care about who they jump into bed with.

[arista]

So you take this after you've had unprotected sex if you think you may have contracted it or what?


No you take it long before
your GP or clinic has to monitor it
(For Active Gay Risky Sex blokes
at this time in England Only)

[Northern Monkey]

I, as a gay man, personally find this ludicrous, why should the government fund something that's not needed? like people have said, if it was a pill to treat HIV or aids, then yes, go for it, but this is basically the government funding people sleeping with anything that moves without having as big of a worry of catching HIV, there are ways to avoid catching it without tax payers having to fork out for it, just be sensible, I see this as just giving people license to be as dirty as possible and have even less care about who they jump into bed with.I agree.(apart from the gay man part:laugh:)

[arista]

"I, as a gay man, personally find this ludicrous, why should the government fund something that's not needed?"


Liam , There is a Massive fight on this
A Court Ruled it in
Not the NHS,
only in England
Not Wales , Scotland or N. Ireland etc.



NHS England wants it back in
Court.

[joeysteele]

Plenty of diseases are preventable, doesn't mean we should withhold important treatment though.

If it was any other kind of contagious disease, I think people would be a lot more sympathetic.



I think you are right.

I am more inclined to agree with the courts ruling and also hope it gets upheld when an appeal goes forward.

[Gstar]

Surely there's a risk of it being ineffective as nothing works on everyone. I wonder what the side effects are..

[Marsh.]

You take it before, so you're free to go and have all the unprotected sex you want.

As opposed to sticking a condom on or not having sex with people whose sexual health is questionable? :shrug:

[Ammi]

....hmmm it seems a bit strange that in a few days, there has been gender reassignment surgery V cataract surgery and then this lifestyle choice thing of having unprotected sex and an expensive preventative and should it be funded by the NHS...(I think it was maybe Dezzy who said in the other thread..?..)..that it all more feels as though it's devised to 'demonise' and to provoke judgement....I know this is going to sound really negative but where is that promised land we were led to believe with Brexit and more funding for the NHS, so that all new treatments would be able to be explored ..because it all feels like 'we don't have any more funding than we ever had' to me..and that was not how it was meant to be, surely...'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have gender reassignment and it's very expensive'..'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have this drug and it's very expensive'...and already we're having Aids V Cancer, when there are no comparisons at all..as there aren't with transgender surgery and cataract surgery....Brexit was meant to give us more NHS and more availability for everyone but it seems to be the same old, same old and the same old demonisation and provoking of judgements...I just find it all quite worrying...


...anways, if someone chooses to have unprotected sex and not use a condom, would they choose to take the drug...?...that sounds doubtful as well, surely...but it's still something that should be available for those who would choose it and to prevent....

[Ammi]

..I mean these things just all seem divisive and detracting and the 'real' thing being....nope we lied, there will be no 'better NHS'..that was never an option me dears...

[arista]

"not use a condom, "



Yes Ammi these buggers
are in millions

[Toy Soldier]

....hmmm it seems a bit strange that in a few days, there has been gender reassignment surgery V cataract surgery and then this lifestyle choice thing of having unprotected sex and an expensive preventative and should it be funded by the NHS...(I think it was maybe Dezzy who said in the other thread..?..)..that it all more feels as though it's devised to 'demonise' and to provoke judgement....I know this is going to sound really negative but where is that promised land we were led to believe with Brexit and more funding for the NHS, so that all new treatments would be able to be explored ..because it all feels like 'we don't have any more funding than we ever had' to me..and that was not how it was meant to be, surely...'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have gender reassignment and it's very expensive'..'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have this drug and it's very expensive'...and already we're having Aids V Cancer, when there are no comparisons at all..as there aren't with transgender surgery and cataract surgery....Brexit was meant to give us more NHS and more availability for everyone but it seems to be the same old, same old and the same old demonisation and provoking of judgements...I just find it all quite worrying...


...anways, if someone chooses to have unprotected sex and not use a condom, would they choose to take the drug...?...that sounds doubtful as well, surely...but it's still something that should be available for those who would choose it and to prevent....

Of course Brexit will change things when it finally goes through! ... ... ...

With all of that pesky EU "human rights" hocus pocus and "equality" shenanigans by what old chap, out of the way, it'll be MUCH easier for them to push forward the dismantlement of the NHS. Woohoo!

[smudgie]

The court ruling does not mean the drug has got the go ahead. It only means that NHS England CAN fund the drug if they so wish.
If they lose the appeal then they can consider the pros and cons of funding the drug, as they will alongside the funding another 13 drugs for various ailments.

[Toy Soldier]

..I mean these things just all seem divisive and detracting and the 'real' thing being....nope we lied, there will be no 'better NHS'..that was never an option me dears...

Theresa may isn't "a gay", "a ******" or "foreign scum" though, so none of it is the government's fault. Stop saying sensible things ammi - you will be delivered a shiny new pitchfork (paid for with the saved dirty ****** money) with your next "blue bin" collection, along with details of your local postcode's lynchmob, and you are free to go after whichever drag queen or sodomite you please by gum! Don't you love Britain or something???

[arista]

There was a Crazy Bible Scottish Fella
live on LBC before 10AM
Nic informed him that children
are with parents as this show is on
He warned the Scottish Bible Freak
to not use some words,


Sadly the Bible Freak
went on with "Penetration" and worse


Nic then said "RED CARD"
now - he is banned from LBC calling in.



Well done Nic Ferrari
http://www.lbc.co.uk/mm/image/13232.jpg

[thesheriff443]

We live in a crazy world.
If you think about it why should it just be for the gay men!, it should be for everyone.

[Toy Soldier]

We live in a crazy world.
If you think about it why should it just be for the gay men!, it should be for everyone.

The risk of catching HIV through anal sex is much higher than vaginal sex (where the risk of catching it, even if the other person definitely has it, is actually pretty low) and therefore there is a higher risk for those who engage in anal sex (with partners of unknown sexual history).

Not that straight people can't engage in a bit of bum fun, or even that all homosexuals have anal sex, but obviously it's statistically more likely.

[arista]

We live in a crazy world.
If you think about it why should it just be for the gay men!, it should be for everyone.


No that would Cost to much money
the gay people that have "Risky" Sex
go to the Clinic or Doctor
and are monitored under this "Prep" system.

In USA it has saved money

[arista]

The risk of catching HIV through anal sex is much higher than vaginal sex (where the risk of catching it, even if the other person definitely has it, is actually pretty low) and therefore there is a higher risk for those who engage in anal sex (with partners of unknown sexual history).

Not that straight people can't engage in a bit of bum fun, or even that all homosexuals have anal sex, but obviously it's statistically more likely.


thats up to the lady

[bots]

well, this is rather silly. It will encourage unprotected sex, which in turn will cause an increase in all the other std's that are readily caught, costing the tax payer even more money.

[arista]

well, this is rather silly. It will encourage unprotected sex, which in turn will cause an increase in all the other std's that are readily caught, costing the tax payer even more money.


Yes that is why they go to
the clinic or GP once a month
so it costs around £400 per month
in total.

Its been Reported more Older Gays
get infected by more stds, sadly


There is a India Medical Company selling the same tablet
at £40 online. (from LBC Live yesterday)

[Toy Soldier]

thats up to the lady

Depends :hehe:

[lostalex]

if they pay for birth control pills or condoms or the HPV vaccine then they should absolutely have to pay for Prep. it's all the same.

[lostalex]

..I mean these things just all seem divisive and detracting and the 'real' thing being....nope we lied, there will be no 'better NHS'..that was never an option me dears...

If you are referring to the Brexit promises you do realize that Britain isn't out of the EU yet, right? The 2 year process of getting out of the EU hasn't even been triggered yet...so you can't really criticize the Brexit promises until Britain has actually exited...