Bear did absolutely nothing wrong

[ThriceShy]

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?:shrug:

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

[Pete.]

Did you not see the smashed window?

[GiRTh]

He broke a mirror.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Hot temper and endangering cast and crew safety

[Moosething]

He literally smashed a mirror

[ThriceShy]

He simply threw a cup because a fat thug had just been threatening him.

[MB.]

Pretty sure damaging fixtures and fittings is on one of the very first pages of the rule book

[GiRTh]

He simply threw a cup because a fat thug had just been threatening him.....that broke a mirror :shrug:

[Beso]

He simply threw a cup because a fat thug had just been threatening him.

:joker:

More upset at losing a mate imo.

[Livia]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.

[Littlegreen]

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?:shrug:

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was thinking this about Hitler, all he did was invade Poland

I mean, wtf?

[armand.kay]

Poor bear

[lewis111]

Did you see how he acted in the DR? He was clearly a threat to other housemates he was so violent and aggressive

[joeysteele]

I agree in part with the OP, Heavy D got off very lightly here, he was looking for trouble, bear was not shouting, the bedroom lights were not off and most were not in bed anyway.

However for the aggressive throwing of an object,damaging property, then the formal warning is justified and so would be a final one too.

However heavy D, really instigated this and had been determined to do so once given the chance, on the other side, Bear is responsible for his own behaviour, and had he handled this better and more calmly, could have got a far better outcome.

[Daniel.]

He's one of the biggest ***** I have ever seen on show.

[Vanessa]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

[Livia]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

The antidote to his anxiety was a massive security guard, who calmed Bear down no end.

[Ant.]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

I mean he's been in a closet for 26 years of his life and counting, it must be getting cramped in there

[Vanessa]

I mean he's been in a closet for 26 years of his life and counting, it must be getting cramped in there

:laugh::hehe:

[hijaxers]

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?:shrug:

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

Wow talk about a distorted view :joker: I take it you have money on him at the bookies ? If not i'm bewildered !

[susie q]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.

Ha Ha nice one:laugh:

[Amy Jade]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

No he wasn't...He has been held in the diary room on numerous occasions. He was trying to act like a big man but he shat himself when security came in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let me out

I'll smash ahhoooouuut

Opens door

Sees 6'5 bloke

All Wight iv Dan wrong BB

Tail

Between


Legs

[Ashley.]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

A fear of locked spaces?

Like, say, the house he's been living in for the past week?

[armand.kay]

Poor bear being bullied by producers.

[susie q]

No he wasn't...He has been held in the diary room on numerous occasions. He was trying to act like a big man but he shat himself when security came in.

Yes from what was said it sounds as though he has had several warnings. I think that he expected to get away with it again. He was shocked when the security went in. His actions have put housemates & staff at risk. The final warning was justified. Its his girlfriend I feel sorry for, if she has any sense she
will ditch him pronto.

[joeysteele]

A fear of locked spaces?

Like, say, the house he's been living in for the past week?

I don't myself go for a fear of locked spaces in Bears case here.

However there is a massive difference of being in a house where you can go outside freely and move around as opposed to being confined in a locked small room like the diary room for an unspecified amount of time.

I personally am not scared of locked spaces but for instance in a lift, where I know the door is locked until it opens again to get out, I do feel really uncomfortable.

[susie q]

I agree in part with the OP, Heavy D got off very lightly here, he was looking for trouble, bear was not shouting, the bedroom lights were not off and most were not in bed anyway.

However for the aggressive throwing of an object,damaging property, then the formal warning is justified and so would be a final one too.

However heavy D, really instigated this and had been determined to do so once given the chance, on the other side, Bear is responsible for his own behaviour, and had he handled this better and more calmly, could have got a far better outcome.

Heavy D had just been stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend
one thats also got a girlfriend on the outside.

[Vanessa]

I don't myself go for a fear of locked spaces in Bears case here.

However there is a massive difference of being in a house where you can go outside freely and move around as opposed to being confined in a locked small room like the diary room for an unspecified amount of time.

I personally am not scared of locked spaces but for instance in a lift, where I know the door is locked until it opens again to get out, I do feel really uncomfortable.

Yes, i think he may have a fear of confined spaces. He seemed alright before they locked him in.

[BB247]

Did you not see the smashed window?

I don't think he meant to smash the window

[Pete.]

I don't think he meant to smash the window
Oh give over

It would have made a dent in the wall then

[BB247]

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?:shrug:

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

Renee, Heavy-D and BB all treated him appallingly tonight

[Vanessa]

He just has a bad temper. I was the same around his age, until i learnt to control myself better.

[Marsh.]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Livia]

Yes, i think he may have a fear of confined spaces. He seemed alright before they locked him in.

And he seemed all right after the security guard arrived. So, no...

[rusticgal]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.


I miss you...:hee:

[BB247]

And he seemed all right after the security guard arrived. So, no...

Just something to think about, he may have been locked in there for ages

[joeysteele]

And he seemed all right after the security guard arrived. So, no...

That is true but when security came in,he then knew the door was no longer locked and someone else was physically there.

I have a mate who is claustrophobic,as long as someone is there with him and he knows he is not behind a locked door he is fine.
Alone he panics.

I agree with you that Bear is not likely fearful of locked rooms really but it is another side to the possibility.

[rusticgal]

And he seemed all right after the security guard arrived. So, no...


....he got back in that chair like a lizard looking for shade..:joker:

[Livia]

Just something to think about, he may have been lock in there for ages

I've thought about it and I've come to this conclusion: So what?

....he got back in that chair like a lizard looking for shade..:joker:

LOL... he's unintentionally hilarious.

[rusticgal]

That is true but when security came in,he then knew the door was no longer locked and someone else was physically there.

I have a mate who is claustrophobic,as long as someone is there with him and he knows he is not behind a locked door he is fine.
Alone he panics.

I agree with you that Bear is not likely fearful of locked rooms really but it is another side to the possibility.


But he never mentioned he was claustrophobic...he saw the size of the guy and suddenly he wasn't the big guy he thought he was...hilarious.

[Marsh.]

Claustrophobic? :laugh2:

About as real as Janice Dickinson's "anaphylactic shock" last year. :joker:

[rusticgal]

Renee, Heavy-D and BB all treated him appallingly tonight


Poor little bear...

[joeysteele]

But he never mentioned he was claustrophobic...he saw the size of the guy and suddenly he wasn't the big guy he thought he was...hilarious.

Oh I am not saying he is, however I would not like to be ordered to stay in a room that was small, no one else there physically and the door locked, for an unspecified amount of time.

As I said, once the guy came in the diary room, he knew the door was not locked and he could then also see someone physically too.

Maybe in his past he has been locked up a few times who knows,we do not know he is in any way claustrophobic,that is very true as Livia said but by the same token, we do not know for sure he isn't either.

[Vanessa]

Oh I am not saying he is, however I would not like to be ordered to stay in a room that was small, no one else there physically and the door locked, for an unspecified amount of time.

As I said, once the guy came in the diary room, he knew the door was not locked and he could then also see someone physically too.

Maybe in his past he has been locked up a few times who knows,we do not know he is in any way claustrophobic,that is very true as Livia said but by the same token, we do not know for sure his isn't either.

This! :clap1:

[Ant.]

I don't think he meant to smash the window

My dad didn't mean to commit manslaughter but he still did it

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I agree in part with the OP, Heavy D got off very lightly here, he was looking for trouble, bear was not shouting, the bedroom lights were not off and most were not in bed anyway.

However for the aggressive throwing of an object,damaging property, then the formal warning is justified and so would be a final one too.

However heavy D, really instigated this and had been determined to do so once given the chance, on the other side, Bear is responsible for his own behaviour, and had he handled this better and more calmly, could have got a far better outcome.

Totally agree Joey with what you've just said

[Glenn-C]

It must go against fire regulations if nothing else.
Everybody that goes into the Diary Room is locked in though? You can literally hear the door locking behind them when they sit down, and there's an emergency release button that unlocks the door if there's a fire :shrug:

[ThriceShy]

Never underestimate the power of the sympathy vote. If Helen could win then anyone can.

That spit in his food incident and stuff like this could turn the public for him.

I find I am starting to feel very sympathetic towards him. And he is certainly more entertaining than the other dullards.

[Livia]

He's a dreadful mouthy southy. I've had more entertaining colds.

[MrWong]

http://67.media.tumblr.com/1004f0ee5954fbe523462e2d7f8dee98/tumblr_oahxhwHU9t1v9roxto6_400.gif

[Jack_]

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

[rusticgal]

I agree in part with the OP, Heavy D got off very lightly here, he was looking for trouble, bear was not shouting, the bedroom lights were not off and most were not in bed anyway.

However for the aggressive throwing of an object,damaging property, then the formal warning is justified and so would be a final one too.

However heavy D, really instigated this and had been determined to do so once given the chance, on the other side, Bear is responsible for his own behaviour, and had he handled this better and more calmly, could have got a far better outcome.


I'm no fan of Heavy D but Bear instigated the whole thing by walking around with the rose and winding Heavy up over his new snogging partner. Heavy wasn't asleep..the lights were on and people were talking. Bear knew what he was doing and Heavy was there for the taking. They are both twats. Bear was the instigator without a doubt.

[Mystic Mock]

Heavy D should've got a warning for getting up in Bear's face.

But Bear's behaviour (like Aubrey's yesterday) would've been enough to see me eject both Housemates if I was the showrunner of BB.

[Beso]

Luckily for audrey most of the forum have forgotten her direct threat tonight, not me though.

Shes the only one deserving of being ejected.

[Rob!]

Oh I am not saying he is, however I would not like to be ordered to stay in a room that was small, no one else there physically and the door locked, for an unspecified amount of time.

As I said, once the guy came in the diary room, he knew the door was not locked and he could then also see someone physically too.

Maybe in his past he has been locked up a few times who knows,we do not know he is in any way claustrophobic,that is very true as Livia said but by the same token, we do not know for sure he isn't either.

Or maybe he's just a momumental twat.

[rusticgal]

Oh I am not saying he is, however I would not like to be ordered to stay in a room that was small, no one else there physically and the door locked, for an unspecified amount of time.

As I said, once the guy came in the diary room, he knew the door was not locked and he could then also see someone physically too.

Maybe in his past he has been locked up a few times who knows,we do not know he is in any way claustrophobic,that is very true as Livia said but by the same token, we do not know for sure he isn't either.

As I mentioned on the other post...if he was stuck in a lift and someone opened the door...he wouldn't retreat saying "I just needed to know someone was there". I just think he likes getting his own way...and the security guard made him think twice..

[joeysteele]

Or maybe he's just a momumental twat.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and try to see all sides.

I think he is probably not a person I would like to be around but for me he is not as bad as some make him out to be, and I enjoy watching him a lot of the time.

I'd rather watch him than a few others in there for sure.

[smudgie]

The security fella took care of any constipation Bear was suffering from.
He went from full of poo to pooing himself in 3 seconds flat:joker:

[hot2go]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

Yes, it was obvious watching him, he was in sort of panic...BB should have opened the door immediately just like they should have stopped Aubrey feeding him her spit on a sandwich ....
People not liking him does not make these things right at all...Is Saira or Ricky or anyone else had displayed the distress he was in BB would have immediately gone to their aid and people on here would have kicked off big time

[hot2go]

Compared to Heavy D and Aubrey what Bear did was not anywhere near as bad. He directed his anger at himself, the other two directed their acts of violence against another person. He obv didn't mean to break the glass but Heavy def meant to threaten him last night and Aubrey def intended to spit in his food yesterday.
So few people thought Aubrey was wrong and yet they're all here saying Bear is. He's not even close to being the worst person in that house. Most of em aren't nice people and most of those are in the top of the poll on here.

[Ammi]

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic



..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

[joeysteele]

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

Absolutely right again.

They virtually imprisoned him in the diary room with no time given at all as to how long he would be in there.
That is wrong full stop.

In other BB series, they have asked if they wanted another housemate to come and sit with them in the diary room, they did not do so here,despite him saying he wanted the door unlocked,
It was BB who actually inflamed his tensions again by doing that,

Since it was around bedtime, they could have insisted all housemates went in the bedroom,leaving Bear able to go elsewhere, garden or house until the room was set up.

I think they handled this disgracefully,while it is true the diary room is locked, it is a fact that once a housemate wants to leave it, they can.
This was not so in this case and as I said, for that period BB virtually imprisoned him in the diary room, totally out of order.

Furthermore a point missed, yes he threw an object that broke a mirror,he did that after actually walking away from the argument and conflict to go and be on his own n the garden.
He was furious obviously, and unfortunately had he not thrown that object, or had it just gone in the pool or landed safely elsewhere.
he would have then looked the bigger person of 2 aggressive people between him and Heavy D.

If I took someone and locked them in small room 'against their will for' any period of time,I could be done for false imprisonment.
That is exactly what BB did to Bear and if I was him, I would be looking at possible legal issues here against BB.

He is a wind up merchant, he can be annoying massively, he can be difficult, however he is getting all the blame in my view, for the pathetic green eyed monster coming out in Heavy D, and Heavy D being fully intent on causing some major incident with Bear last night.

BB is handling things very badly this series so far,however locking someone in a room against their will and also allowing food to be tampered with and then still eaten too,should be non existent situations.

[Northern Monkey]

Absolutely right again.

They virtually imprisoned him in the diary room with no time given at all as to how long he would be in there.
That is wrong full stop.

In other BB series, they have asked if they wanted another housemate to come and sit with them in the diary room, they did not do so here,despite him saying he wanted the door unlocked,
It was BB who actually inflamed his tensions again by doing that,

Since it was around bedtime, they could have insisted all housemates went in the bedroom,leaving bear able to go eleswhere, garden or house until the room was set up.

I think they handled this disgracefully,wile it is true the diary room is locked it is a fact that once a housemate wants to leave it, they can.
This was not so in this case and as I said, for that period BB virtually imprisoned him in the diary room, totally out of order.

Furthermore a point missed, yes he threw an object that broke a mirror,he did that after actually walking away from the argument and conflict to go and be on his own n the garden.
He was furious obviously, and unfortunately had he not thrown that object, or had it just gone in the pool or landed safely elsewhere.
he would have then looked the bigger person of 2 aggressive people between him and Heavy D.

If I took someone and locked them in small room 'against their will for' any period of time,I could be done for false imprisonment.
That is exactly what BB did to Bear and if I was him, I would be looking at possible legal issues here against BB.

He is a wind up merchant, he can be annoying massively, he can be difficult, however he is getting all the blame in my view, for the pathetic green eyed monster coming out in Heavy D, and Heavy D being fully intent on causing some major incident with Bear last night.

BB is handling things very badly this series so far,however locking someone in a room against their will and also allowing food to be tampered with and then still eaten too,should be non existent situations.Can't argue with that:thumbs:

[Garfie]

:He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

:facepalm: Seriously!?

Try alcohol fuelled aggression which we have seen again and again, and which BB revealed last night that he had been spoken to about repeatedly.

If there's any fear in Bear, it is fear of taking responsibility for his actions.

[Garfie]

The antidote to his anxiety was a massive security guard, who calmed Bear down no end.

:laugh:

[Garfie]

Renee, Heavy-D and BB all treated him appallingly tonight

:bawling: Oh, poor, poor Bear! :facepalm:

Renee told him a few home truths- appalling!
Heavy D responded to behaviour that was intended to humiliate and provoke him- appalling!
BB locked him in the diary room to protect the safety of others from someone who was drunk and aggressive- appalling!

You reap what you sow........

[Ammi]

:

:facepalm: Seriously!?

Try alcohol fuelled aggression which we have seen again and again, and which BB revealed last night that he had been spoken to about repeatedly.

If there's any fear in Bear, it is fear of taking responsibility for his actions.

...also a bit of nicotine craving, I don't know if he ever had that ciggie he'd been trying to have since he left the bedroom and the craving then had been such that he said he would smoke indoors if he couldn't get outside but he WAS HAVING THAT FAG...

[Garfie]

I'm no fan of Heavy D but Bear instigated the whole thing by walking around with the rose and winding Heavy up over his new snogging partner. Heavy wasn't asleep..the lights were on and people were talking. Bear knew what he was doing and Heavy was there for the taking. They are both twats. Bear was the instigator without a doubt.

:clap1: Spot on!

[Garfie]

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Liam-]

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

[Garfie]

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Exactly!

[joeysteele]

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

I am not claustrophobic but I would react very strongly indeed to being put in a room, behind a locked door against my will or right, no one else there and no time frame as to how long I would be in there too.

It is not defending someone to point out a wrong as to the wrong from the other sides too.
People are usually taken to the diary room to calm down, not be aggravated further.

There are many other ways Bear could have been handled instead of locking him in the diary room.
Someone from security or another housemate he was closer too could have sat with him as has been the case with other wound up housemates.

He wasn't a perceived risk to anyone,he threw something that was all with no one else around anywhere where he was.
In fact he was the one who had actually walked away from the aggression and argument in the bedroom, to be on his own anyway.
However not to be on his own and then being 'forced' to be behind a locked door.

I think anyone would react very badly to that to be honest,and I know I certainly would.

[Absorption]

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.

[chuff me dizzy]

D was the most scary of the 2,he got out of bed and faced up to Bear ( who didn't even blink,he kept his cool so well ) admitted Bear shouldn't have broken the mirror,but IMO D was the most aggressive

[joeysteele]

D was the most scary of the 2,he got out of bed and faced up to Bear ( who didn't even blink,he kept his cool so well ) admitted Bear shouldn't have broken the mirror,but IMO D was the most aggressive

He was but for him this incident would not likely have happened
Spot on Chuff.

Yet Heavy D gets way with it all despite his possible sort of unnatural obsession as to a younger female.

[waterhog]

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?:shrug:

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

are you watching :shrug:

[Withano]

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.

:joker:

[Jan S]

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...
all of this. :thumbs::thumbs:

[hot2go]

D was the most scary of the 2,he got out of bed and faced up to Bear ( who didn't even blink,he kept his cool so well ) admitted Bear shouldn't have broken the mirror,but IMO D was the most aggressive

Bear was just pressing Heavys buttons....Heavy D chose to react with violence just like Aubrey did the day before.
Bear lost his temper when he was alone and walking away from the drama and and he lost his temper when he was alone and locked up against his will in the diary room. That's the big difference....Bear didn't commit an act of violence to another housemate like Aubrey and Heavy did.

[reece(:]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.

Clocked

[Livia]

If anyone ever wonders why trial by jury is flawed, they should read this thread.

When Bear walked into the bedroom and started shouting the odds, Heavy D went off on him, telling him him to shut up because people were sleeping. Had Bear walked away it would have been over. But he didn't. He walked up to Heavy D's bed, sat on his bedside cabinet and put his foot on Heavy's bed, knowing that he was already angry. It was a calculated action meant to antagonise, and it did.

Bear smashed a mirror in the garden and he acted like a twat in the diary room - until someone bigger turned up, then he couldn't have been more co-operative.

I'm really struggling to see how Bear has any support whatsoever. I really don't like Heavy D either, but Bear was completely in the wrong last night and BB would have been totally within their rights to have expelled him.

[rusticgal]

If anyone ever wonders why trial by jury is flawed, they should read this thread.

When Bear walked into the bedroom and started shouting the odds, Heavy D went off on him, telling him him to shut up because people were sleeping. Had Bear walked away it would have been over. But he didn't. He walked up to Heavy D's bed, sat on his bedside cabinet and put his foot on Heavy's bed, knowing that he was already angry. It was a calculated action meant to antagonise, and it did.

Bear smashed a mirror in the garden and he acted like a twat in the diary room - until someone bigger turned up, then he couldn't have been more co-operative.

I'm really struggling to see how Bear has any support whatsoever. I really don't like Heavy D either, but Bear was completely in the wrong last night and BB would have been totally within their rights to have expelled him.

Spot on Livia...

They are both trash but Bear instigated the incident last night. It was deliberate and he deserved all he got.

[hot2go]

I don't think BB should not have let Bear back into the house with the others at that moment but I don't think BB should have left him on his own in a state of distress and what looked like a panic attack caused by being locked up....he clearly said to the guard that he just wanted to have someone else there.....

Was it only me who found that uncomfortable to watch ...while others thought it was funny ?

[Livia]

Spot on Livis.

They are both trash but Bear instigated the incident last night. It was deliberate and he deserved all he got.

Oh God... that bit when the security guard appeared... I watched it again on +1 and I'm considering watching it tonight on +24. It was the most amusing thing I've ever seen happen to anyone on BB. Definitely my moment of the series.

[Livia]

I don't think BB should have let Bear back into the house with the others at that moment but I don't think BB should have left him on his own in a state of distress and what looked like a panic attack caused by being locked up....he clearly said to the guard that he just wanted to have someone else there.....

Was it only me who found that uncomfortable to watch ...while others thought it was funny ?

Yeah, I think it's just you. The rest of us aren't about to make excuses for that kind of behaviour.

[rusticgal]

Oh God... that bit when the security guard appeared... I watched it again on +1 and I'm considering watching it tonight on +24. It was the most amusing thing I've ever seen happen to anyone on BB. Definitely my moment of the series.

I've watched it again this morning...I think it's one of the funniest scenes ever...its only funny because he thinks he is so hard..:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, it was obvious watching him, he was in sort of panic...BB should have opened the door immediately just like they should have stopped Aubrey feeding him her spit on a sandwich ....
People not liking him does not make these things right at all...Is Saira or Ricky or anyone else had displayed the distress he was in BB would have immediately gone to their aid and people on here would have kicked off big time

Bear's getting the Perez Hilton treatment by some of the BB fans, they can be treated however the other Housemates want as Bear/Perez are "unlikable" like we haven't had unlikable Housemates on BB before, but apparently these two are/were so vile that they deserve to be treated like **** for no reason in some cases.

And in the Ch4 series I remember Nikki getting away with her jealous rampages at Grace and George just because they wasn't popular with the public.

And Rachel Rice haters found it funny when Darnell got up in her face during one of the divide weeks of BB9.

Basically my point is that some BB fans are hypocrites.

[hot2go]

Yeah, I think it's just you. The rest of us aren't about to make excuses for that kind of behaviour.

I'm not making excuses for his behaviour at all...he was also wrong and it was right they took him to the diary room...But when he started to get distressed and was having a panic attack they should have gone to his aid...it was not funny at all.

[Livia]

I've watched it again this morning...I think it's one of the funniest scenes ever...its only funny because he thinks he is so hard..:joker:

Ahhh it's not just me then! Isn't it always the same with people like that? Front them up and they crumble.

[hot2go]

I'm finding it hard to defend any of them...I'm just observing what I see...and I think last nights drama was started the night before by Heavys aggressive behaviour towards Bear and by Renee betraying Bear alongside Aubrey. I'm glad he didn't just take that and look like a push over.

[Livia]

I'm not making excuses for his behaviour at all...he was also wrong and it was right they took him to the diary room...But when he started to get distressed and was having a panic attack they should have gone to his aid...it was not funny at all.

Go and Google the symptoms of a panic attack and then try to fit those symptoms into what happened last night. Being a twat and screaming that you're going to "smash the ****ing gaff up" isn't amongst the symptoms. No one has suggested he was having a panic attack other than a couple of unqualified people on here who seem able to make a diagnosis of someone's mental health by watching them on the telly for five minutes.

Maybe you should watch it again?

[Northern Monkey]

Deffo not a panic attack more of an idiot attack.

[y.winter]

They could choke each other as far as I'm concerned.
Should we even take a side in this? The two fight, let the third win.

[Withano]

Was it only me who found that uncomfortable to watch ...while others thought it was funny ?

Yet you encourage and relish in the thought of Bear "going for Saira next" you have an odd sense of uncomforting.

[dyfed]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.

Omg this is priceless...

[Patricia4]

If anyone ever wonders why trial by jury is flawed, they should read this thread.

When Bear walked into the bedroom and started shouting the odds, Heavy D went off on him, telling him him to shut up because people were sleeping. Had Bear walked away it would have been over. But he didn't. He walked up to Heavy D's bed, sat on his bedside cabinet and put his foot on Heavy's bed, knowing that he was already angry. It was a calculated action meant to antagonise, and it did.

Bear smashed a mirror in the garden and he acted like a twat in the diary room - until someone bigger turned up, then he couldn't have been more co-operative.

I'm really struggling to see how Bear has any support in to whatsoever. I really don't like Heavy D either, but Bear was completely in the wrong last night and BB would have been totally within their rights to have expelled him.

I agree with this Livia you are spot on and to be honest I would of liked him to be removed I was a fan of his but not anymore he's turned in to a real twat.

[Withano]

Bear wasnt having a panic attack, Bear isn't claustrophobic. The excuses people make up for him are absurd.

Bear is just a petulant child who got a bit upset that people werent worshipping his every move. He got angry and was detained because he was a danger to himself, his housemates and the production team.

He purposely pissed off Heavy and got the reaction he wanted, his passive aggressive 'choor what was that about' as soon as Heavy left the room was as transparent as it gets, unbeknownst to him, people saw theough his transparent act, Renee called him out on it and he lashed out by throwing things with force as he wasnt the hero/victim/lad he tried so hard to be.

How anybody watched anything different is beyond me. Then again theres a direct correlation with people who saw something different and those who are fans of Bear so maybe that explains it completely.

[ThriceShy]

All these vile threats and assaults towards bear have made me want him to win.

Bullied housemates traditionally do very well.

Look how composed and reasonable he was after having his food spat in.

[ThriceShy]

Bear wasnt having a panic attack, Bear isn't claustrophobic. The excuses people make up for him are absurd.

Bear is just a petulant child who got a bit upset that people werent worshipping his every move. He got angry and was detained because he was a danger to himself, his housemates and the production team.

He purposely pissed off Heavy and got the reaction he wanted, his passive aggressive 'choor what was that about' as soon as Heavy left the room was as transparent as it gets, unbeknownst to him, people saw theough his transparent act, Renee called him out on it and he lashed out by throwing things with force as he wasnt the hero/victim/lad he tried so hard to be.

How anybody watched anything different is beyond me. Then again theres a direct correlation with people who saw something different and those who are fans of Bear so maybe that explains it completely.

How do you know he isnt claustrophobic?

[joeysteele]

Bear's getting the Perez Hilton treatment by some of the BB fans, they can be treated however the other Housemates want as Bear/Perez are "unlikable" like we haven't had unlikable Housemates on BB before, but apparently these two are/were so vile that they deserve to be treated like **** for no reason in some cases.

And in the Ch4 series I remember Nikki getting away with her jealous rampages at Grace and George just because they wasn't popular with the public.

And Rachel Rice haters found it funny when Darnell got up in her face during one of the divide weeks of BB9.

Basically my point is that some BB fans are hypocrites.

Good points too Mock.

There are it seems those who know what a panic attack isn't like when in fact they are rather hard at times to work out if someone is having one or it is something else.

I haven't and most others have not even indicated it was a panic attack,all I have said is it was a reaction from him as to being forced against his free will to be locked in a small room with no end time in sight as to how long he'd be there.

I state again, I would have reacted heavily to that and demanded the door was opened or at least unlocked.

As you are pointing out,this is from a few who just do not like him and therefore even throw the right of free will out the window just because it is someone they do not like and then take a hard line,never even likely looking at the other side, let alone ever acknowledging one.

I am not a fan of bear, I do not want him to win but this was wrong,in my view legally and morally to lock someone in a confined space.
It doesn't matter if someone was claustrophobic or not, having a panic attack or not or just being difficult or not.

No way should anyone be locked in a small room,and ordered to stay there, against their will having committed no criminal offence
That really does border on being false imprisonment.

I would have been going really mad at BB if they had done that to me,in these circumstances.

I'd like to know if those who have got at members who have said this may have been panic attack but have no medical qualifications to ascertain same,I wonder where their qualifications are then equally to say it was not in some way.

I have seen people with panic attacks and they do not follow at all the same pattern as to all, also once the reason for the stress is removed, they can calm very quickly.
There is no 'one size fits all' as to them.
Regardless of what some with any possible hard line views may state.

[Withano]

How do you know he isnt claustrophobic?

A claustorphobic person would not lash out in anger, theyd become dizzy, cottonmouthed, disorientated and lightheaded. I know he hasnt got claustrophobia because I understand what the word means.

[ThriceShy]

A claustorphobic person would not lash out in anger, theyd become dizzy, cottonmouthed, disorientated and lightheaded. I know he hasnt got claustrophobia because I understand what the word means.

Of course they would get angry at the people who were locking them in a room. He was angry and disorientated.

[Withano]

Of course they would get angry at the people who were locking them in a room. He was angry and disorientated.

Nope. Bear was just angry. But thats nothing new for Bear. A claustrophobic person would likely feel disorientated and tight chested to the point they were unable to speak loudly or even stand. The claustophobic theory was invented by Bear fans who do not know what it means.

[Jannigran]

Totally agree with livia s post , I actually thought his behaviour in the Dr was that he was mimicking Jason's until the security arrived.

[jet]

How do you know he isnt claustrophobic?

Well, if he is, all he had to do was tell BB so. "I need to get out of here right now because I'm claustrophobic" is a good way of actually getting out instead of going on a shouting rampage and breaking open a door. :shrug:
It wasn't a panic attack either. People having a panic attack gasp and can barely get their breath and there was no signs of that at all with all the yelling he was doing.
My diagnosis: temper tantrum.

[ThriceShy]

Nope. just angry. But thats nothing new for Bear. A claustrophobic person would likely feel disorientated and tight chested to the point they were unable to speak or even stand. The claustophobic theory was invented by Bear fans who do not know what it means.

People with phobias can react differently.

As someone who said that biggins was wrong to generalise about bisexuality, you seem very keen to generalise about people with claustrophobia.

The fact is that bear was 100% in the right and was attacked and provoked on all sides. People who dont like him want to portray him as the villain, while giving a free pass to spitter Aubrey and thug Heavy D.

[joeysteele]

A claustorphobic person would not lash out in anger, theyd become dizzy, cottonmouthed, disorientated and lightheaded. I know he hasnt got claustrophobia because I understand what the word means.

It wasn't claustrophobia,he wasn't even complaining at being in the diary room, he was enraged at the door being locked and him being told he had to stay there with no time limit in place.

Had they unlocked the door or maybe brought in another housemate ,he would have sat and likely continued to talk to BB as he had been until realising the door was locked and he was being kept there against his will.

They made the mess of this, not him really,he was until that point being fully compliant with BB.

[Withano]

It wasn't claustrophobia,he wasn't even complaining at being in the diary room, he was enraged at the door being locked and him being told he had to stay there with no time limit in place.

Had they unlocked the door or maybe brought in another housemate ,he would have sat and likely continued to talk to BB as he had been until realising the door was locked and he was being kept there against his will.

They made the mess of this, not him really,he was until that point being fully compliant with BB.

Of course it wasnt claustrophobia!

Personally I dont think there was a right way to deal with Bear. If there wasnt a security guard there he wouldnt have sat back down, he would have broke through the camera runs causing havoc and being a danger to himself and production team. He wasnt just actigg out because he wanted the door open despite what he said to the bouncer.

I personally believe they were probably waiting for a second bouncer or they were clearing the path to the other room to make it safe for everyone involved... They may have even been ready to let Bear leave but were waiting for him to calm down so that the bouncer didnt have to deal with unnecessary trouble. Leaving Bear in the room wasnt a great answer to his anger but I cant think of a better one.

[jet]

It wasn't claustrophobia,he wasn't even complaining at being in the diary room, he was enraged at the door being locked and him being told he had to stay there with no time limit in place.

Had they unlocked the door or maybe brought in another housemate ,he would have sat and likely continued to talk to BB as he had been until realising the door was locked and he was being kept there against his will.

They made the mess of this, not him really,he was until that point being fully compliant with BB.

But this has happened many times before in BB. HM's have been kept in the DR until BB is satisfied they have completely calmed down. How many times have we seen HM's shouting "open this door, let me out"? And I've never seen concern about it before.
I'm sure BB told Bear they were preparing a room for him to sleep in for the night and how long would that take really...surely not that long...do we even know how long he was kept waiting? :shrug:

[Withano]

But this has happened many times before in BB. HM's have been kept in the DR until BB is satisfied they have completely calmed down. How many times have we seen HM's shouting "open this door, let me out"? And I've never seen concern about it before.
I'm sure BB told Bear they were preparing a room for him to sleep in for the night and how long would that take really...surely not that long...do we even know how long he was kept waiting? :shrug:

This is also true. I dont think he was in there for as long as people like to think. He just lost his temper a lot quicker than the housemates before him probably.

[calyman]

Bear cme into the bedroom deciding he,d do some BEAR bating with the fat fool. It didn't quite work out the way his limited imagination thought it would. To stop any further ordure flowing from his top and bottom orifices,he ran out of the bedroom, consoled himself with meaningless obscenities then threw a cup and smashed the mirror. When he was called in to the diary room, he gave a fake apology then thought in his dullard way that would be sufficient. Fortunately it wasn't, he reverted to thuggish mentality, that didn't work, he then tried to damage further property, the repair of which wasn't his concern. When he succeeded in this, the huge security guy appeared, bear then chose to let the faeces flow freely and reverted to scared toddler attitude. My only regret is why was he not ejected from the house as a result?

[hot2go]

Yet you encourage and relish in the thought of Bear "going for Saira next" you have an odd sense of uncomforting.

Yes I do agree with the idea of Bear going for Saira next, especially after the lectures she's hurled his way in the past........I think what Aubrey did was a disgusting act of abuse and I completely understand why Bear feels the way he does. If Bear had encouraged Aubrey to spit in Sairas drink it would be a whole different set of principles being chucked around on here today. It's so hypocritical and indefensible that Aubrey has got away with what she did so lightly.

As for Bear being in a state of distress while locked up against his will I found it uncomfortable to watch. Just as I found Marnie flashing Saira uncomfortable to watch....it's not about only agreeing or not agreeing based on who i do and don't like....like a lot of people on here.

[Livia]

Bear cme into the bedroom deciding he,d do some BEAR bating with the fat fool. It didn't quite work out the way his limited imagination thought it would. To stop any further ordure flowing from his top and bottom orifices,he ran out of the bedroom, consoled himself with meaningless obscenities then threw a cup and smashed the mirror. When he was called in to the diary room, he gave a fake apology then thought in his dullard way that would be sufficient. Fortunately it wasn't, he reverted to thuggish mentality, that didn't work, he then tried to damage further property, the repair of which wasn't his concern. When he succeeded in this, the huge security guy appeared, bear then chose to let the faeces flow freely and reverted to scared toddler attitude. My only regret is why was he not ejected from the house as a result?

Always look forward to seeing your Klimt around BB time! Nice to see you.

[Withano]

Yes I do agree with the idea of Bear going for Saira next, especially after the lectures she's hurled his way in the past........I think what Aubrey did was a disgusting act of abuse and I completely understand why Bear feels the way he does. If Bear had encouraged Aubrey to spit in Sairas drink it would be a whole different set of principles being chucked around on here today. It's so hypocritical and indefensible that Aubrey has got away with what she did so lightly.

As for Bear being in a state of distress while locked up against his will I found it uncomfortable to watch. Just as I found Marnie flashing Saira uncomfortable to watch....it's not about only agreeing or not agreeing based on who i do and don't like....like a lot of people on here.

Why would you want to see a man "go for" anybody. Thats so sadistic-sounding. Its weird you made some excellent poits about what you found wrong in the past, i agree with all of them. Alot of disgusting behaviour. But you want Bear to "go for" Saira. How? Why? Thats the hypocrisy you were banging on about and you dont even realise youre doing it.

[Livia]

All these vile threats and assaults towards bear have made me want him to win.

Bullied housemates traditionally do very well.

Look how composed and reasonable he was after having his food spat in.

So you're a pseudo-lawyer as well as a pseudo psychologist! Bear was threatened AND assaulted (he wasn't) and has claustrophobia (he hasn't). Or.... you're a contrarian who chooses distasteful housemates to follow so you can cause a little drama with your frankly absurd claims. It was amusing... now... not so much.

[Livia]

Yes I do agree with the idea of Bear going for Saira next, especially after the lectures she's hurled his way in the past........I think what Aubrey did was a disgusting act of abuse and I completely understand why Bear feels the way he does. If Bear had encouraged Aubrey to spit in Sairas drink it would be a whole different set of principles being chucked around on here today. It's so hypocritical and indefensible that Aubrey has got away with what she did so lightly.

As for Bear being in a state of distress while locked up against his will I found it uncomfortable to watch. Just as I found Marnie flashing Saira uncomfortable to watch....it's not about only agreeing or not agreeing based on who i do and don't like....like a lot of people on here.

The thread isn't about Aubrey. Is it.

Locked up against his will... LMAO... you're priceless.

[kirklancaster]

If anyone ever wonders why trial by jury is flawed, they should read this thread.

When Bear walked into the bedroom and started shouting the odds, Heavy D went off on him, telling him him to shut up because people were sleeping. Had Bear walked away it would have been over. But he didn't. He walked up to Heavy D's bed, sat on his bedside cabinet and put his foot on Heavy's bed, knowing that he was already angry. It was a calculated action meant to antagonise, and it did.

Bear smashed a mirror in the garden and he acted like a twat in the diary room - until someone bigger turned up, then he couldn't have been more co-operative.

I'm really struggling to see how Bear has any support whatsoever. I really don't like Heavy D either, but Bear was completely in the wrong last night and BB would have been totally within their rights to have expelled him.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[hot2go]

Good points too Mock.

There are it seems those who know what a panic attack isn't like when in fact they are rather hard at times to work out if someone is having one or it is something else.

I haven't and most others have not even indicated it was a panic attack,all I have said is it was a reaction from him as to being forced against his free will to be locked in a small room with no end time in sight as to how long he'd be there.

I state again, I would have reacted heavily to that and demanded the door was opened or at least unlocked.

As you are pointing out,this is from a few who just do not like him and therefore even throw the right of free will out the window just because it is someone they do not like and then take a hard line,never even likely looking at the other side, let alone ever acknowledging one.

I am not a fan of bear, I do not want him to win but this was wrong,in my view legally and morally to lock someone in a confined space.
It doesn't matter if someone was claustrophobic or not, having a panic attack or not or just being difficult or not.

No way should anyone be locked in a small room,and ordered to stay there, against their will having committed no criminal offence
That really does border on being false imprisonment.

I would have been going really mad at BB if they had done that to me,in these circumstances.

I'd like to know if those who have got at members who have said this may have been panic attack but have no medical qualifications to ascertain same,I wonder where their qualifications are then equally to say it was not in some way.

I have seen people with panic attacks and they do not follow at all the same pattern as to all, also once the reason for the stress is removed, they can calm very quickly.
There is no 'one size fits all' as to them.
Regardless of what some with any possible hard line views may state.

:clap1::clap1:

I recognise distress when i see it....even when I see it those I don't like like Saira...I find it strange that so few people can empathise with how violated and insulted and angry Bear must feel about having someone spit in his food.
BB treated Bear disgracefully by allowing him to eat that food, I'm surprised it's only a mirror that got smashed...BB should give themselves a final warning.

[Livia]

I recognise distress when I see it too. And I didn't see it.

[Miranda123]

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?:shrug:

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

There are always people on here who want to save the asshole, its nothing new

[ThriceShy]

Imagine the reaction if bear spat in someone's food or got out of bed to physically threaten them.

[jet]

There are always people on here who want to save the asshole, its nothing new

It's a phenomenon I will never understand. :inamood:

[calyman]

Always look forward to seeing your Klimt around BB time! Nice to see you.
Thanks Livia, it's always nice to receive a welcome from you :hee:

[calyman]

Imagine the reaction if bear spat in someone's food or got out of bed to physically threaten them.just so long as it's in context. It's clear the eejit bear was the instigator here.

[hot2go]

Why would you want to see a man "go for" anybody. Thats so sadistic-sounding. Its weird you made some excellent poits about what you found wrong in the past, i agree with all of them. Alot of disgusting behaviour. But you want Bear to "go for" Saira. How? Why? Thats the hypocrisy you were banging on about and you dont even realise youre doing it.

It's got nothing to do with being sadistic, it is so ridiculous to say that and if I'm honest you're casting aspersions at me .....I'm not looking for him to punch her, I'm looking for him to expose her as the fraud she us ....I want him to confront her and make her accountable for it.....sadly he will prob mess it up but right now he could wipe the floor with her over her double standards.
If I was sadistic I would agree with Aubrey spitting and Marnie flashing and I absolutely don't ....Bear snogging Chloe to get back at two turn coats wasn't sadistic it was getting even.

[hot2go]

Imagine the reaction if bear spat in someone's food or got out of bed to physically threaten them.

You're wasting your time....people apply right and wrong based solely on who they do and don't like.

Kills em to defend anything that's been done by someone as annoying as Bear...the concept that someone they don't like is being treated badly doesnt exist.

[armand.kay]

Imagine the reaction if bear spat in someone's food or got out of bed to physically threaten them.

people would be calling for him to be ejected lol

[Withano]

It's got nothing to do with being sadistic, it is so ridiculous to say that and if I'm honest you're casting aspersions at me .....I'm not looking for him to punch her, I'm looking for him to expose her as the fraud she us ....I want him to confront her and make her accountable for it.....sadly he will prob mess it up but right now he could wipe the floor with her over her double standards.
If I was sadistic I would agree with Aubrey spitting and Marnie flashing and I absolutely don't ....Bear snogging Chloe to get back at two turn coats wasn't sadistic it was getting even.

Maybe its just part of my regional dialect but "go for" doesnt mean expose her as a fraud and I genuinely thought you were hoping for something darker. Although even wanting Bear to "confront" her when we both know how he gets when people arent worshipping the ground he walks on isnt great sounding.

[hot2go]

Maybe its just part of my regional dialect but "go for" doesnt mean expose her as a fraud and I genuinely thought you were hoping for something darker. Although even wanting Bear to "confront" her when we both know how he gets when people arent worshipping the ground he walks on isnt great sounding.

No, when I say " go for " I mean wipe the floor with em....you can take that literally too if you want :laugh: but you'll need to bring your own mop and bucket :laugh:
I can understand how it could look like something else though so thanks for coming back and explaining. No, it's like when Jayne said she would annihilate Natalie, it's a figure of speech that means they will come out on top. Saira and Ricky will be very lucky if they avoid that ...but they've still had the public see it.
When I see someone spit in a housemates food I don't expect them to say it's ok and to kiss and make up...I expect them to do exactly the type of things that Bear is doing....put Aubrey up for noms every week, push Renees nose out of joint by snogging Chloe in front of her....and hopefully ...make people see that Ricky's not so innocent and make people see what a monumental hypocrite Saira is.

[jet]

It's got nothing to do with being sadistic, it is so ridiculous to say that and if I'm honest you're casting aspersions at me .....I'm not looking for him to punch her, I'm looking for him to expose her as the fraud she us ....I want him to confront her and make her accountable for it.....sadly he will prob mess it up but right now he could wipe the floor with her over her double standards.
If I was sadistic I would agree with Aubrey spitting and Marnie flashing and I absolutely don't ....Bear snogging Chloe to get back at two turn coats wasn't sadistic it was getting even.

It turns out it was sadistic. You are defending someone who used Chloe to get 'his own back', then comes back into the house and tells everyone, in front of Chloe that it was the worst kiss he ever had...

[hot2go]

It turns out it was sadistic. You are defending someone who used Chloe to get 'his own back', then comes back into the house and tells everyone, in front of Chloe that it was the worst kiss he ever had...

Maybe what I consider sadistic is very different to others...sadistic is a really strong word IMO....like calling Bear mentally unstable or calling Marco a sexual predator ....those type of labels can stick and be damaging esp when not true or not proven.

As for Chloe, who I like, do you really think she didn't have her own agenda ? She was playing pay back just as much as Bear was....they were both thumbing their noses at Heavy and he asked for it, completely deserved it. She even went back for more with no prompting from Bear at all.

[jet]

Maybe what I consider sadistic is very different to others...sadistic is a really strong word IMO....like calling Bear mentally unstable or calling Marco a sexual predator ....those type of labels can stick and be damaging esp when not true or not proven.

As for Chloe, who I like, do you really think she didn't have her own agenda ? She was playing pay back just as much as Bear was....they were both thumbing their noses at Heavy and he asked for it, completely deserved it. She even went back for more with no prompting from Bear at all.

Bear was far more pushy in repeatedly kissing her, it fact it looked like he was forcing her a few times.
You said nothing about 'the worst kiss he ever had' though. :smug:

[joeysteele]

But this has happened many times before in BB. HM's have been kept in the DR until BB is satisfied they have completely calmed down. How many times have we seen HM's shouting "open this door, let me out"? And I've never seen concern about it before.
I'm sure BB told Bear they were preparing a room for him to sleep in for the night and how long would that take really...surely not that long...do we even know how long he was kept waiting? :shrug:



No we don't and that is the point, we don't and neither did he.

He asked how long it would take, they would not give a time frame and no we d not know how long he was kept waiting.
All I can say is had that been me and I was calmed down as he had become,then I was told I had to stay there locked in for whatever time it took.
I would have gone right off it.

I actually believe most people would too and rightly so.

[joeysteele]

You're wasting your time....people apply right and wrong based solely on who they do and don't like.

Kills em to defend anything that's been done by someone as annoying as Bear...the concept that someone they don't like is being treated badly doesnt exist.



Very sadly I have to admit, not a truer word spoken there hot2go.
Well said.

[Livia]

You're wasting your time....people apply right and wrong based solely on who they do and don't like.

Kills em to defend anything that's been done by someone as annoying as Bear...the concept that someone they don't like is being treated badly doesnt exist.

Well that's rich.

I don't like any of them and, like most people on here, based my opinion on what I saw with my own eyes.

[jet]

[/B]


No we don't and that is the point, we don't and neither did he.

He asked how long it would take, they would not give a time frame and no we d not know how long he was kept waiting.
All I can say is had that been me and I was calmed down as he had become,then I was told I had to stay there locked in for whatever time it took.
I would have gone right off it.

I actually believe most people would too and rightly so.

I just don't get how Bear is any different to other HM's though who have been holed up in the DR over all the previous series and yelling 'let me out of here' and have went mental and have not been let out...I didn't hear any outcry about them...he could have been waiting 5 minutes or 45 minutes, we just don't know, so it's a bit ott when we haven't a full picture. If we knew he was waiting a very long time then yes, that would be wrong because it can't take very long at all to make up a bed. He just seems to me a very impatient person with a temper who wants immediate gratification so I'm coming at it from my own opinion of him to date, which could turn out be wrong. :shrug:

[Livia]

I just don't get how Bear is any different to other HM's though who have been holed up in the DR over all the previous series and yelling 'let me out of here' and have went mental and have not been let out...I didn't hear any outcry about them...he could have been waiting 5 minutes or 45 minutes, we just don't know, so it's a bit ott when we haven't a full picture. If we knew he was waiting a very long time then yes, that would be wrong because it can't take very long at all to make up a bed. He just seems to me a very impatient person with a temper who wants immediate gratification so I'm coming at it from my own opinion of him to date, which could turn out be wrong. :shrug:

There is no excuse for his behaviour last night despite a monumental attempt by some people to excuse him. His parents should have introduced him to the naughty step when he was little. Too late now...

[jet]

You're wasting your time....people apply right and wrong based solely on who they do and don't like.

Kills em to defend anything that's been done by someone as annoying as Bear...the concept that someone they don't like is being treated badly doesnt exist.

That's unfair. Speaking for myself, I don't like to see anyone treated badly, whether I like them or not. I thought it was absolutely disgusting that Aubrey spat in his food and said so. Apart from that, I don't agree he has been treated badly as we don't have the full picture of his dialogue with BB in the DR. BB said he had already been spoken to several times about his behaviour and there he was ignoring them and being warned again so maybe they weren't willing to just give him what he wanted when he wanted it.

[joeysteele]

I just don't get how Bear is any different to other HM's though who have been holed up in the DR over all the previous series and yelling 'let me out of here' and have went mental and have not been let out...I didn't hear any outcry about them...he could have been waiting 5 minutes or 45 minutes, we just don't know, so it's a bit ott when we haven't a full picture. If we knew he was waiting a very long time then yes, that would be wrong because it can't take very long at all to make up a bed. He just seems to me a very impatient person with a temper who wants immediate gratification so I'm coming at it from my own opinion of him to date, which could turn out be wrong. :shrug:

He had calmed down though jet,I agree that others have been in a similar position but none of that makes locking someone in a room against their will right.

If any of your family had that done to them you would rightly be outraged as I would.

All he wanted was the door unlocked, he had,yes thrown an object that could have missed everything or like it did hit something, no one else was anywhere near him when he did that.
He had also walked away from the argument, going outside alone.

He had then also calmed down in the diary room, maybe he thought he was going to be in there for hours, had BB said it will take us 10 to 15 minutes to get your Room ready, meantime just Talk to BB, He maybe would have stayed calm.

A good few of those who are seeing it from his point and how we would feel being locked up like that,like myself are not keen on Bear at all.
I would be saying this whoever BB acted this way with.

To just get at him because someone doesn't like him is neither fair or reasonable in my book and people will not all act the same way put in those circumstances he was in.

He never actually threatened anyone personally you know, he walked away from the bedroom and argument himself.

[joeysteele]

There is no excuse for his behaviour last night despite a monumental attempt by some people to excuse him. His parents should have introduced him to the naughty step when he was little. Too late now...

No ones excusing him at all but they are not going to jump in to hang,draw and quarter him either.

[jet]

There is no excuse for his behaviour last night despite a monumental attempt by some people to excuse him. His parents should have introduced him to the naughty step when he was little. Too late now...

BB had him on the naughty step on that DR chair and he had a temper tantrum...yes, too late...:hee:

[jet]

He had calmed down though jet,I agree that others have been in a similar position but none of that makes locking someone in a room against their will right.

If any of your family had that done to them you would rightly be outraged as I would.

All he wanted was the door unlocked, he had,yes thrown an object that could have missed everything or like it did hit something, no one else was anywhere near him when he did that.
He had also walked away from the argument, going outside alone.

He had then also calmed down in the diary room, maybe he thought he was going to be in there for hours, had BB said it will take us 10 to 15 minutes to get your Room ready, meantime just Talk to BB, He maybe would have stayed calm.

A good few of those who are seeing it from his point and how we would feel being locked up like that,like myself are not keen on Bear at all.
I would be saying this whoever BB acted this way with.

To just get at him because someone doesn't like him is neither fair or reasonable in my book and people will not all act the same way put in those circumstances he was in.

He never actually threatened anyone personally you know, he walked away from the bedroom and argument himself.

Well, he did go into the bedroom with the rose to goad Heavy, he did go over to the angry Heavy and put his foot up on the bed which only inflamed the situation, he did throw something and broke a window which someone could have been on the other side of. Heavy went ott with his anger, but he didn't touch anyone or throw anything.
I'm just not getting the sympathy for Bear on this occasion Joey and I don't see why BB would have to talk to him to keep him happy after already having given him several warnings previously and being ignored.
But I respect your viewpoint, I just see it differently.

[joeysteele]

Well, he did go into the bedroom with the rose to goad Heavy, he did go over to the angry Heavy and put his foot up on the bed which only inflamed the situation, he did throw something and broke a window which someone could have been on the other side of. Heavy went ott with his anger, but he didn't touch anyone or throw anything.
I'm just not getting the sympathy for Bear on this occasion Joey and I don't see why BB would have to talk to him to keep him happy after already having given him several warnings previously and being ignored.

Yes he put his foot on the side of the bed not on the bed,and yes he took a rose in.
That may be annoying but hardly aggressive.

Then he walked away with no prompting to do so from anyone else..

Perhaps Heavy actually needs to control the green eyed monster in himself and not purposely watch from the window all that bear and Chloe are doing too and also not see Chloe as a possession maybe.

That is how I saw it.
Also BB talk to all housemates when they are angry anyway so why should he be excluded from that too.

Also Bear was not shouting in the bedroom and from what I saw Heavy was the only one in bed, the bedroom lights were on and the women were talking too in there yet he only got at Bear.

I think it best you and I agree to disagree as we are never going to see eye to eye on this one, I just look at all sides, whether I like a housemate or not.

[jet]

Yes he put his foot on the side of the bed not on the bed,and yes he took a rose in.
That may be annoying but hardly aggressive.

Then he walked away with no prompting to do so from anyone else..

Perhaps Heavy actually needs to control the green eyed monster in himself and not purposely watch from the window all that bear and Chloe are doing too and also not see Chloe as a possession maybe.

That is how I saw it.
Also BB talk to all housemates when they are angry anyway so why should he be excluded from that too.

Also Bear was not shouting in the bedroom and from what I saw Heavy was the only one in bed, the bedroom lights were on and the women were talking too in there yet he only got at Bear.

I think it best you and I agree to disagree as we are never going to see eye to eye on this one, I just look at all sides, whether I like a housemate or not.

Yes, jealously is an ugly thing, and so is goading someone who you know is jealous. I don't like any of the younger ones at present and think too much air time is being given to their antics.
Anyway, yes we will agree to disagree. :hee:
I do respect your viewpoint and I understand where you are coming from, but I just see it differently.

[Razor]

Bear is a prize cock and should be booted from the house.

[Cal.]

No he wasn't...He has been held in the diary room on numerous occasions. He was trying to act like a big man but he shat himself when security came in.

!

[Garfie]

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.

:laugh::joker:

[Garfie]

I'm not making excuses for his behaviour at all...he was also wrong and it was right they took him to the diary room...But when he started to get distressed and was having a panic attack they should have gone to his aid...it was not funny at all.

Wasn't this just a further example of ongoing and repeated aggression rather than a panic attack? If there was any panic it was probably about being thrown out of the house for his behaviour.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this- he has shown what he is all about again and again, and BB even reminded him last night he had been repeatedly warned about his behaviour. This was drunken aggression and an unwillingness to take any self-control imo.

[Garfie]

Well, if he is, all he had to do was tell BB so. "I need to get out of here right now because I'm claustrophobic" is a good way of actually getting out instead of going on a shouting rampage and breaking open a door. :shrug:
It wasn't a panic attack either. People having a panic attack gasp and can barely get their breath and there was no signs of that at all with all the yelling he was doing.
My diagnosis: temper tantrum.

:clap1: Exactly. Simple solution! Accurate diagnosis!

[rebecca9]

That moment when security walked into the diary room was amazing. What a cock bear is. People have got ejected from the house for much less than his behaviour in there.

[Garfie]

No he wasn't...He has been held in the diary room on numerous occasions. He was trying to act like a big man but he shat himself when security came in.

Do bears sh*t in the woods? No, they sh*t themselves in the diary room!

[empire]

big brother have made the worst mistake ever, by removing biggins and not that little thick chav bear, it will kick of again, because he is trying to pick a fight with people in the house, and it will kick off with heavy D, I told you that bear is a nasty little sh'tbag.

[ThriceShy]

With Biggins gone and now this eternal nomination lark, the way really is becoming clear for bear to win.

I can see it happening. Anyone who thinks the idea is ridiculous......just remember Helen won. And bear is a lot more likeable than her.

[Stevep]

With Biggins gone and now this eternal nomination lark, the way really is becoming clear for bear to win.

I can see it happening. Anyone who thinks the idea is ridiculous......just remember Helen won. And bear is a lot more likeable than her.

I think Ricky has this in the bag already.

[jet]

With Biggins gone and now this eternal nomination lark, the way really is becoming clear for bear to win.

I can see it happening. Anyone who thinks the idea is ridiculous......just remember Helen won. And bear is a lot more likeable than her.

It's more interesting to care about who wins, but I and a lot of people I know couldn't care less who wins this series. It's a train wreck.
Bear is more likeable than Helen, who isn't? but he's still very unlikable. I do think he'll be shown the door by BB at some stage if not voted out by the public.

[Ammi]

..in the bedroom when it all kicked off as it were, the females especially looked very frightened and concerned...Heavy was called into the DR when he got out of bed and stood over Bear and in the DR, he didn't display any worrying, continued aggressive behaviour so was allowed back into the house because no 'threat' was deemed...that was easy to see..but with Bear, his aggression continued in the DR and continued..not only verbally in threatening to tear the DR apart or whatever he was raging but also in kicking the door down...he was obviously not able to be let into the house again because how would BB know that someone wouldn't get physically harmed through his behaviour, which was completely out of control and so inconsistent and erratic that even in a calm moment, could 'flip again' in suddenness and without warning...?...They absolutely had the right to keep hi in there until they had a room/bed prepared for him but they would have also wanted him to be more calm and 'stable' before he was allowed to that room and bed as well because would he just start destroying again..?...


..we've screamed and we've shouted about 'duty of care' and the welfare of the housemates with what Aubrey did and it was wrong for BB to allow Bear to drink and eat etc..they didn't consider his well-being in that and that doesn't sit well at all but this time they have considered welfare and well-being etc and we think that was wrong also..?...he was kept in the DR for his own safety and for the safety of the others as it would have only taken a split second for him to physically harm someone, either intentionally or unintentionally in destroying property and he was too erratic in his behaviour for those risks to be taken...'I'm calm now, yes let me out'..?...well no Bear, because right at this moment in time you can go from zero to beyond reason in a split second and before we could intervene to prevent harm....if we were housemates ourselves, would we really want him back in the house with us..?..would we really feel safe and 'cared for by BB' if he were let back into the house..?...because many of those bedroom faces looked quite worried and fearfilled....he displayed no signs of panic in the DR, only a loss of control with anger and aggressive emotion....they can only go on and primarily with what was being displayed and make a decision for the safety of all....

[Semtex]

If that cup he threw was a foot higher on the glass it would have exploded all over the camera runs, luckily he hit the bottom where the window is much stronger.

I can't get my head around people revering him as a housemate, the manchild is scum & the house would evolve without him.
His arrested development is arresting the development of the house dynamic.

[Xanzia]

He simply threw a cup because a fat thug had just been threatening him.

Ever heard of controlling your response to events?

[chuff me dizzy]

I think Ricky has this in the bag already.

Perish the thought ....I cannot stand him such a creep

[joeysteele]

..in the bedroom when it all kicked off as it were, the females especially looked very frightened and concerned...Heavy was called into the DR when he got out of bed and stood over Bear and in the DR, he didn't display any worrying, continued aggressive behaviour so was allowed back into the house because no 'threat' was deemed...that was easy to see..but with Bear, his aggression continued in the DR and continued..not only verbally in threatening to tear the DR apart or whatever he was raging but also in kicking the door down...he was obviously not able to be let into the house again because how would BB know that someone wouldn't get physically harmed through his behaviour, which was completely out of control and so inconsistent and erratic that even in a calm moment, could 'flip again' in suddenness and without warning...?...They absolutely had the right to keep hi in there until they had a room/bed prepared for him but they would have also wanted him to be more calm and 'stable' before he was allowed to that room and bed as well because would he just start destroying again..?...


..we've screamed and we've shouted about 'duty of care' and the welfare of the housemates with what Aubrey did and it was wrong for BB to allow Bear to drink and eat etc..they didn't consider his well-being in that and that doesn't sit well at all but this time they have considered welfare and well-being etc and we think that was wrong also..?...he was kept in the DR for his own safety and for the safety of the others as it would have only taken a split second for him to physically harm someone, either intentionally or unintentionally in destroying property and he was too erratic in his behaviour for those risks to be taken...'I'm calm now, yes let me out'..?...well no Bear, because right at this moment in time you can go from zero to beyond reason in a split second and before we could intervene to prevent harm....if we were housemates ourselves, would we really want him back in the house with us..?..would we really feel safe and 'cared for by BB' if he were let back into the house..?...because many of those bedroom faces looked quite worried and fearfilled....he displayed no signs of panic in the DR, only a loss of control with anger and aggressive emotion....they can only go on and primarily with what was being displayed and make a decision for the safety of all....

I can go with that all through until the end.

It doesn't need to be panic or claustrophobia for certain fears or insecurities to set in.

You rightly say Heavy D had calmed down,you miss out that Bear in the diary room had also calmed right down and was apologising too.

Where he erupted again was when he was told,indeed ordered, to remain in the diary room while they set up a separate room for him.
When he asked how long that would take, they could not say and would not give a time frame.

It can never be right when someone has calmed down to force them to be in a small locked room with no information as to how long it was going to take.
They accepted that heavy D had calmed down, but had he,maybe they were keeping Bear there for his safety rather than others, as heavy D had been the one who moved aggressively to him.

It is how BB dealt with this, I said earlier, the housemates were in effect in the bedroom anyway,they could have let Bear go into the garden, finish a cigarette, asking the housemates in the bedroom together until they had sorted tie room for Bear.

Someone and I would react badly to this too,being told after they had calmed down,that they were now going to have to sit there 'alone' for an 'unspecified' amount of time in a 'locked small room' is outrageous in my view.
It is the BB house not a prison.

[calyman]

I can go with that all through until the end.

It doesn't need to be panic or claustrophobia for certain fears or insecurities to set in.

You rightly say Heavy D had calmed down,you miss out that Bear in the diary room had also calmed right down and was apologising too.

Where he erupted again was when he was told,indeed ordered, to remain in the diary room while they set up a separate room for him.
When he asked how long that would take, they could not say and would not give a time frame.

It can never be right when someone has calmed down to force them to be in a small locked room with no information as to how long it was going to take.
They accepted that heavy D had calmed down, but had he,maybe they were keeping Bear there for his safety rather than others, as heavy D had been the one who moved aggressively to him.

It is how BB dealt with this, I said earlier, the housemates were in effect in the bedroom anyway,they could have let Bear go into the garden, finish a cigarette, asking the housemates in the bedroom together until they had sorted tie room for Bear.

Someone and I would react badly to this too,being told after they had calmed down,that they were now going to have to sit there 'alone' for an 'unspecified' amount of time in a 'locked small room' is outrageous in my view.
It is the BB house not a prison.
They have a duty of care to the other housemates and staff. They had no choice but to contain the thug for his own and others safety. Why however did they not evict the thug for his actions?

[joeysteele]

They have a duty of care to the other housemates and staff. They had no choice but to contain the thug for his own and others safety. Why however did they not evict the thug for his actions?

Well why didn't they' ask them.

Perhaps because he actually had not hurt anyone, chairs have been broken before in BB series.

Maybe he is a thug, however they selected him for the series, no one else.
Why should he be in a locked room however, would you like to be locked in small room, not being told when you are getting out.

He actually had not in fact hurt anyone,had he thrown the object to the pool rather than where it landed, it would have been just a talking to rather than anything else.
No one else in any event was anywhere near him when he threw it so no one was in danger and neither were they in the bedroom, he had already voluntarily himself walked away from the argument and left the bedroom to sit outside.

Hate on him all you like and then reject any fairness but those are the facts.

[Ellen]

The guy is a fully grown adult and if he cant handle been told to sit and wait then thats his look out not BB's. :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

Well why didn't they' ask them.

Perhaps because he actually had not hurt anyone, chairs have been broken before in BB series.

Maybe he is a thug, however they selected him for the series, no one else.
Why should he be in a locked room however, would you like to be locked in small room, not being told when you are getting out.

He actually had not in fact hurt anyone,had he thrown the object to the pool rather than where it landed, it would have been just a talking to rather than anything else.
No one else in any event was anywhere near him when he threw it so no one was in danger and neither were they in the bedroom, he had already voluntarily himself walked away from the argument and left the bedroom to sit outside.

Hate on him all you like and then reject any fairness but those are the facts.

The voice of reason :clap1:as you say a lot worse has happened in the house ....and D pushed him into doing it, but walks away scot free

[Ammi]

I can go with that all through until the end.

It doesn't need to be panic or claustrophobia for certain fears or insecurities to set in.

You rightly say Heavy D had calmed down,you miss out that Bear in the diary room had also calmed right down and was apologising too.

Where he erupted again was when he was told,indeed ordered, to remain in the diary room while they set up a separate room for him.
When he asked how long that would take, they could not say and would not give a time frame.

It can never be right when someone has calmed down to force them to be in a small locked room with no information as to how long it was going to take.
They accepted that heavy D had calmed down, but had he,maybe they were keeping Bear there for his safety rather than others, as heavy D had been the one who moved aggressively to him.

It is how BB dealt with this, I said earlier, the housemates were in effect in the bedroom anyway,they could have let Bear go into the garden, finish a cigarette, asking the housemates in the bedroom together until they had sorted tie room for Bear.

Someone and I would react badly to this too,being told after they had calmed down,that they were now going to have to sit there 'alone' for an 'unspecified' amount of time in a 'locked small room' is outrageous in my view.
It is the BB house not a prison.



....but it doesn't have to be any type of insecurities/fears etc for a temper tantrum to set in either, Joey and to be at the point of 'lack of control'...my perspective is different from yours because I have seen 'Bear behaviour' in so many children and he really was displaying the behaviour of a child imo...so easy to make that comparison...and I would allow that child or those children back into a social group and with their peers only when I felt that they were calm because it would be my responsibility to do so and to decide that, not for the 'anger' to decide that..I have had many injuries and a few quite serious ones which have been done by 'I'm calm now' children...that's fine and my choice but it's my responsibility to feel confident that neither the child themselves is in any way in danger of physical harm or any of their peers are...

..yes, he could have been allowed out to have a cigarette and the other housemates locked in the bedroom or something for a few moments but ..but again, would we remove a whole classroom of children from that threat or that one person causing and responsible for it, that just seems like a no brainer to me but that's also my perspectives...I would think that they couldn't give a specific amount of time because he was still 'demanding' and erratic with his 'calm' so that time scale was being determined by himself and his own behaviour and when they felt it would be ok to allow him into his room and bed...(and that might not have actually been that long at all, we just don't know or whole conversations because we only get bite-size and condensed..)...but they fulfilled their responsibility of being the ones who felt confident themselves in there decision of when the 'calm came' enough for him to leave....

[calyman]

Well why didn't they' ask them.

Perhaps because he actually had not hurt anyone, chairs have been broken before in BB series.

Maybe he is a thug, however they selected him for the series, no one else.
Why should he be in a locked room however, would you like to be locked in small room, not being told when you are getting out.

He actually had not in fact hurt anyone,had he thrown the object to the pool rather than where it landed, it would have been just a talking to rather than anything else.
No one else in any event was anywhere near him when he threw it so no one was in danger and neither were they in the bedroom, he had already voluntarily himself walked away from the argument and left the bedroom to sit outside.

Hate on him all you like and then reject any fairness but those are the facts.

He is a violent unpredictable thug. His assurances of controlling himself are meaningless as a result. He did not hurt anyone after the diary incident because bb did the right and proper thing by isolating him. The issue of where he threw the cup is a red herring, if he can lose self control then he clearly is a potential danger to others when he is in this state. He left the bedroom because he realised that he was not controlling the situation that he had deliberately started by goading heavy. As for would I like to be in a closed room, in my line of work, I have been trapped by violent clients on occasion and barricading myself in a closed room protects both me and the client from acts f violence As a matter of interest, it is perfectly permissable for violent clients to have "time out" in closed rooms for their own and others protection. This is expected when there is a duty of care to others who may be vulnerable to acts of violence.

[chuff me dizzy]

He is a violent unpredictable thug. His assurances of controlling himself are meaningless as a result. He did not hurt anyone after the diary incident because bb did the right and proper thing by isolating him. The issue of where he threw the cup is a red herring, if he can lose self control then he clearly is a potential danger to others when he is in this state. He left the bedroom because he realised that he was not controlling the situation that he had deliberately started by goading heavy. As for would I like to be in a closed room, in my line of work, I have been trapped by violent clients on occasion and barricading myself in a closed room protects both me and the client from acts f violence As a matter of interest, it is perfectly permissable for violent clients to have "time out" in closed rooms for their own and others protection. This is expected when there is a duty of care to others who may be vulnerable to acts of violence.

I find D more threatening than Bear

[calyman]

I find D more threatening than Bear

I just find him a loud mouthed waste of space.

[Semtex]

Anyone who likes Bear can go fcuck themselves, it's not me.......it's you!

[chuff me dizzy]

I just find him a loud mouthed waste of space.

Very aggressive IMO

[calyman]

Very aggressive IMO
True but he is not unique in this. Bear is also aggressive, nasty and a potential physical danger to others when he is aroused.

[hot2go]

Anyone who likes Bear can go fcuck themselves, it's not me.......it's you!

I like Bear but I really can't f-ck myself at the moment, I'm eating a cheese sandwhich . Thanks for the suggestion though, it's very touching .... Maybe next time we could share the Bear Neccessitues together, you seem like a real catch.

[chuff me dizzy]

True but he is not unique in this. Bear is also aggressive, nasty and a potential physical danger to others when he is aroused.

I find D more threatening and more of a danger to others

[Semtex]

I like Bear but I really can't f-ck myself at the moment, I'm eating a cheese sandwhich . Thanks for the suggestion though, it's very touching .... Maybe next time we could share the Bear Neccessitues together, you seem like a real catch.

Excellent, I look forward to seeing where your moral compass lies in the future when we chat.

[hot2go]

Bear has not threatened anyone, Heavy D has.... Bear has not said anything offensive that warrants removal, Biggins has... Bear has never lost his temper in the company of others, Heavy D has. Bear has not violated another housemate, Marnie has.
Bear is a wind up merchant but its Heavy who made threats and its Heavy D who still holds a grudge as shown in last nights noms. Heavy D is the loose cannon in that house right now not Bear.

[hot2go]

Excellent, I look forward to seeing where your moral compass lies in the future when we chat.

What makes you think I have a moral compass and how am I meant to use when I've already been told to go f-ck myself ?..,.. I doubt we will be chatting much in the future, I'll be far too busy f-cking myself to have time to chat with you. But thanks for your interest in me.

[joeysteele]

....but it doesn't have to be any type of insecurities/fears etc for a temper tantrum to set in either, Joey and to be at the point of 'lack of control'...my perspective is different from yours because I have seen 'Bear behaviour' in so many children and he really was displaying the behaviour of a child imo...so easy to make that comparison...and I would allow that child or those children back into a social group and with their peers only when I felt that they were calm because it would be my responsibility to do so and to decide that, not for the 'anger' to decide that..I have had many injuries and a few quite serious ones which have been done by 'I'm calm now' children...that's fine and my choice but it's my responsibility to feel confident that neither the child themselves is in any way in danger of physical harm or any of their peers are...

..yes, he could have been allowed out to have a cigarette and the other housemates locked in the bedroom or something for a few moments but ..but again, would we remove a whole classroom of children from that threat or that one person causing and responsible for it, that just seems like a no brainer to me but that's also my perspectives...I would think that they couldn't give a specific amount of time because he was still 'demanding' and erratic with his 'calm' so that time scale was being determined by himself and his own behaviour and when they felt it would be ok to allow him into his room and bed...(and that might not have actually been that long at all, we just don't know or whole conversations because we only get bite-size and condensed..)...but they fulfilled their responsibility of being the ones who felt confident themselves in there decision of when the 'calm came' enough for him to leave....

Oh gosh it is amazing how distortion of facts and fairness go out the window when people take a dislike to certain housemates.
Firstly I am not someone who cares much about Bear but I do care about fairness.

The only person that night who appeared to be nearing threatening physically another housemate was Heavy D to Bear, not vice versa.

I never said and no one said lock the others in the bedroom either.
Often in BB, housemates are ordered into the house or bedroom and to stay there for often many and often trivial reasons at times too, once they were told to do so when someone was shouting out information on the other side of the house walls for goodness sake.

All BB had to do was tell housemates to remain in the house,pull the shutters down possibly too, allowing Bear to be in the garden until the room was set up and ready.
They would have the freedom to talk, mix with each other, go to bed, the toilet,the kitchen, get food or a drink.
Hardly the same scenario they put Bear in.

There is no need whatsoever to force any human being to stay in a locked small room with no one physically present for any unspecified amount of time.
Bear had calmed down, he accepted not going back into the house but erupted when told he had to stay in the diary room behind that locked door,being given no idea how long that would take.
You may see that as fair, I don't.

Also just where did Bear make any personal physical threats during the whole incident to any other housemate at all.
Or do we now as a society judge and condemn people on what we 'think' they may do rather than what they actually do.

As I say when a housemate is not liked,it is amazing how fairness and what is right goes out the window as to anything negative applied to them.
Even when all that happened here was once alone and well away from the others he threw one object,which happened to hit a mirror and broke a bit of it.

No threats from him to any other physically during the whole incident, no standing offs and no major aggression towards any other housemate directly,unlike heavy Ds performance towards him,simply because he couldn't get from a younger female what Bear had been able to.

However Heavy is all right and Bear all wrong, sorry not in my book, not after the way BB handled this.
No one, whether I like them or not, should be forced against their will to be locked in a small room, with no definite deadline as to time for that, who has not threatened anyone physically directly.
I am actually surprised you can think that right in all honesty.

[user104658]

Hmmm... He's not in good control of his emotions obviously, and I wouldn't say he "didn't do anything wrong" (if the glass had smashed, any crew behind it could easily have been hurt, I suspect he just wasn't thinking and forgot that there are people behind the glass), but I do think the situation was handled very badly. For one, you can't trap someone in a small space and then act surprised when they kick off... it's the basic psychology of being "backed into a corner", the instinct is to lash out.

They should have let him out the other door and outside for a smoke, someone from production could have talked to him there. It's just not a good idea to trap someone :shrug:.

What I do have a major issue with, like Joey, is the fact that very little was said to Heavy D when he was being deliberately aggressive and physically intimidating. That sad old American woman (I can't remember her name... I've only watched 3 episodes :joker: ) is of course right that it should be obvious why he's angry and it is. His ego and sense of entitlement. Feels like he's "laid claim" to a girl who has zero interest in him, and is now getting aggressive when he feels like that's being "challenged". Deeply, deeply pathetic is what that is. Then he jumps up and attempts to use his physical size to intimidate little Bear, who is about half his size. Again, deeply pathetic. But they barely said two words to him :/.

[Garfie]

..in the bedroom when it all kicked off as it were, the females especially looked very frightened and concerned...Heavy was called into the DR when he got out of bed and stood over Bear and in the DR, he didn't display any worrying, continued aggressive behaviour so was allowed back into the house because no 'threat' was deemed...that was easy to see..but with Bear, his aggression continued in the DR and continued..not only verbally in threatening to tear the DR apart or whatever he was raging but also in kicking the door down...he was obviously not able to be let into the house again because how would BB know that someone wouldn't get physically harmed through his behaviour, which was completely out of control and so inconsistent and erratic that even in a calm moment, could 'flip again' in suddenness and without warning...?...They absolutely had the right to keep hi in there until they had a room/bed prepared for him but they would have also wanted him to be more calm and 'stable' before he was allowed to that room and bed as well because would he just start destroying again..?...


..we've screamed and we've shouted about 'duty of care' and the welfare of the housemates with what Aubrey did and it was wrong for BB to allow Bear to drink and eat etc..they didn't consider his well-being in that and that doesn't sit well at all but this time they have considered welfare and well-being etc and we think that was wrong also..?...he was kept in the DR for his own safety and for the safety of the others as it would have only taken a split second for him to physically harm someone, either intentionally or unintentionally in destroying property and he was too erratic in his behaviour for those risks to be taken...'I'm calm now, yes let me out'..?...well no Bear, because right at this moment in time you can go from zero to beyond reason in a split second and before we could intervene to prevent harm....if we were housemates ourselves, would we really want him back in the house with us..?..would we really feel safe and 'cared for by BB' if he were let back into the house..?...because many of those bedroom faces looked quite worried and fearfilled....he displayed no signs of panic in the DR, only a loss of control with anger and aggressive emotion....they can only go on and primarily with what was being displayed and make a decision for the safety of all....

Always the voice of reason, Ammi. :clap1:

[hot2go]

Oh gosh it is amazing how distortion of facts and fairness go out the window when people take a dislike to certain housemates.
Firstly I am not someone who cares much about Bear but I do care about fairness.

The only person that night who appeared to be nearing threatening physically another housemate was Heavy D to Bear, not vice versa.

I never said and no one said lock the others in the bedroom either.
Often in BB, housemates are ordered into the house or bedroom and to stay there for often many and often trivial reasons at times too, once they were told to do so when someone was shouting out information on the other side of the house walls for goodness sake.

All BB had to do was tell housemates to remain in the house,pull the shutters down possibly too, allowing Bear to be in the garden until the room was set up and ready.
They would have the freedom to talk, mix with each other, go to bed, the toilet,the kitchen, get food or a drink.
Hardly the same scenario they put Bear in.

There is no need whatsoever to force any human being to stay in a locked small room with no one physically present for any unspecified amount of time.
Bear had calmed down, he accepted not going back into the house but erupted when told he had to stay in the diary room behind that locked door,being given no idea how long that would take.
You may see that as fair, I don't.

Also just where did Bear make any personal physical threats during the whole incident to any other housemate at all.
Or do we now as a society judge and condemn people on what we 'think' they may do rather than what they actually do.

As I say when a housemate is not liked,it is amazing how fairness and what is right goes out the window as to anything negative applied to them.
Even when all that happened here was once alone and well away from the others he threw one object,which happened to hit a mirror and broke a bit of it.

No threats from him to any other physically during the whole incident, no standing offs and no major aggression towards any other housemate directly,unlike heavy Ds performance towards him,simply because he couldn't get from a younger female what Bear had been able to.

However Heavy is all right and Bear all wrong, sorry not in my book, not after the way BB handled this.
No one, whether I like them or not, should be forced against their will to be locked in a small room, with no definite deadline as to time for that, who has not threatened anyone physically directly.
I am actually surprised you can think that right in all honesty.

This is spot on IMO :clap1:

[Withano]

Oh gosh it is amazing how distortion of facts and fairness go out the window when people take a dislike to certain housemates.
Firstly I am not someone who cares much about Bear but I do care about fairness.

The only person that night who appeared to be nearing threatening physically another housemate was Heavy D to Bear, not vice versa.

I never said and no one said lock the others in the bedroom either.
Often in BB, housemates are ordered into the house or bedroom and to stay there for often many and often trivial reasons at times too, once they were told to do so when someone was shouting out information on the other side of the house walls for goodness sake.

All BB had to do was tell housemates to remain in the house,pull the shutters down possibly too, allowing Bear to be in the garden until the room was set up and ready.
They would have the freedom to talk, mix with each other, go to bed, the toilet,the kitchen, get food or a drink.
Hardly the same scenario they put Bear in.

There is no need whatsoever to force any human being to stay in a locked small room with no one physically present for any unspecified amount of time.
Bear had calmed down, he accepted not going back into the house but erupted when told he had to stay in the diary room behind that locked door,being given no idea how long that would take.
You may see that as fair, I don't.

Also just where did Bear make any personal physical threats during the whole incident to any other housemate at all.
Or do we now as a society judge and condemn people on what we 'think' they may do rather than what they actually do.

As I say when a housemate is not liked,it is amazing how fairness and what is right goes out the window as to anything negative applied to them.
Even when all that happened here was once alone and well away from the others he threw one object,which happened to hit a mirror and broke a bit of it.

No threats from him to any other physically during the whole incident, no standing offs and no major aggression towards any other housemate directly,unlike heavy Ds performance towards him,simply because he couldn't get from a younger female what Bear had been able to.

However Heavy is all right and Bear all wrong, sorry not in my book, not after the way BB handled this.
No one, whether I like them or not, should be forced against their will to be locked in a small room, with no definite deadline as to time for that, who has not threatened anyone physically directly.
I am actually surprised you can think that right in all honesty.

What would you have done

Step 1 - Bear breaks a two way mirror because Renee clocked him and told him how transparent he was in his passive aggressive attack on Heavy, we can probably presume we got lucky and there wasnt anybody stood behind the two way mirror, not that Bear cared.

Step 2 - You call him to the diary room because obviously hes a danger to himself, his housemates and the production team

Step 3 - You know he cant stay in the house withh that behaviour so you need to arrange security, you need to make sure it is safe for him to walk through the camera runs to avoid a lawsuit and you need to rearrange the task room to make it in to a bedroom

Step 4 - he lashes out in anger because you wasnt fast enough

Now what? He cant go back in the house, hes a danger to the housemates, he cant run through the camera runs, hes a danger to the production team, it would be completely unfair to let a bouncer handle it, we dont know how he would react. How do you treat an immediate physical threat? Suck his dick and give him a cigarette in the hope he would immediately calm down? Or wait for him to calm down and escort him to the spare bedroom when everything is safe and ready.

Its the latter. They done all they could, everyone was kept safe that entire day so they did a job well done.

Bear was a child. A petulant diva and there was no need to pander to his command especially when he was in that state. Making Bear smile wasnt worth the physical damage he could have done to a person. I believe they completely assessed the situation, nobody left with a bruise and they easily could have done.

[Jordan.]

Oh gosh it is amazing how distortion of facts and fairness go out the window when people take a dislike to certain housemates.
Firstly I am not someone who cares much about Bear but I do care about fairness.

The only person that night who appeared to be nearing threatening physically another housemate was Heavy D to Bear, not vice versa.

I never said and no one said lock the others in the bedroom either.
Often in BB, housemates are ordered into the house or bedroom and to stay there for often many and often trivial reasons at times too, once they were told to do so when someone was shouting out information on the other side of the house walls for goodness sake.

All BB had to do was tell housemates to remain in the house,pull the shutters down possibly too, allowing Bear to be in the garden until the room was set up and ready.
They would have the freedom to talk, mix with each other, go to bed, the toilet,the kitchen, get food or a drink.
Hardly the same scenario they put Bear in.

There is no need whatsoever to force any human being to stay in a locked small room with no one physically present for any unspecified amount of time.
Bear had calmed down, he accepted not going back into the house but erupted when told he had to stay in the diary room behind that locked door,being given no idea how long that would take.
You may see that as fair, I don't.

Also just where did Bear make any personal physical threats during the whole incident to any other housemate at all.
Or do we now as a society judge and condemn people on what we 'think' they may do rather than what they actually do.

As I say when a housemate is not liked,it is amazing how fairness and what is right goes out the window as to anything negative applied to them.
Even when all that happened here was once alone and well away from the others he threw one object,which happened to hit a mirror and broke a bit of it.

No threats from him to any other physically during the whole incident, no standing offs and no major aggression towards any other housemate directly,unlike heavy Ds performance towards him,simply because he couldn't get from a younger female what Bear had been able to.

However Heavy is all right and Bear all wrong, sorry not in my book, not after the way BB handled this.
No one, whether I like them or not, should be forced against their will to be locked in a small room, with no definite deadline as to time for that, who has not threatened anyone physically directly.
I am actually surprised you can think that right in all honesty.

I personally think your take on the situation is the distorted one. It was fairly obvious to me he went seeking a reaction and fight that night, hence him walking into the room and gloating that he would be sharing a bed with Chloe and then patronising Heavy putting his foot on his bed when he got upset over. He reaped what he sowed, same goes for him being locked in the DR if he didn't start smashing up the house they wouldn't have had to exclude him. Plus having to wait 10 or so minutes whilst they set up a bedroom shouldn't be a big ask for a grown adult.

[hot2go]

Heavy wanted the girl,...Heavy thought he could just have her....Heavy treated her like dirt....then when he couldn't have her and she chose someone else Heavy turned aggressive and threatening....Like King Kong.
Any action on Bears part was a direct reaction to the agression being projected from Heavy.
The garden and the bottle is a separate incident and that is where Bear scored a home goal...because if he had just held it together a bit longer we would all be having conversations about Heavys threatening and intimidating loss of control....but the fact is very clear...the first person and only person to make threats was Heavy the night before when he turned on Bear thinking he had vandalised his bed. The person making threats in the bedroom was Heavy.
I can understand why Bear felt it so unfare that he was locked up like a criminal and Heavy got off Scott free and was tucked up in his bed.

[Garfie]

Well why didn't they' ask them.

Perhaps because he actually had not hurt anyone, chairs have been broken before in BB series.

Maybe he is a thug, however they selected him for the series, no one else.
Why should he be in a locked room however, would you like to be locked in small room, not being told when you are getting out.

He actually had not in fact hurt anyone,had he thrown the object to the pool rather than where it landed, it would have been just a talking to rather than anything else.
No one else in any event was anywhere near him when he threw it so no one was in danger and neither were they in the bedroom, he had already voluntarily himself walked away from the argument and left the bedroom to sit outside.

Hate on him all you like and then reject any fairness but those are the facts.

You are right in saying he hadn't physically hurt anyone, but his repeated unpleasant and drunken behaviour was clearly making others feels very uncomfortable and unsafe, and I think that's the point Ammi was trying to make. BB clearly said he had been warned repeatedly for such behaviour.

When someone is very drunk, has a volatile personality and is doing all he can to antagonise and provoke reactions in other, it makes for a very tense and unnerving situation- I wouldn't have wanted to have to be one of the other housemates in those circumstances and I would have been very uncomfortable had he been allowed back into the house or garden. You've looked at this from Bear's side but perhaps the other housemates were experiencing more fear than you've realised?

That has to balanced when considering Bear being locked in the diary room. What you've said yourself indicates that had Bear and Heavy D been placed together again there was every possibility of an escalation in events. Heavy D was calmer and had just wanted to sleep, whereas Bear was very drunk and intent on instigating some sort of conflict. I think this was a pattern BB had recognised, and was referring to when they reminded Bear he had been repeatedly warned. Therefore, keeping Bear separated was a logical conclusion.

Bear needs to learn to accept that actions have consequences and, if you behave inappropriately, then unfortunately those consequences are not likely to be ones you like- such as being locked in the DR whilst they are sorting out alternative accommodation, and ensuring that his calmer mood was going to last (something that is in doubt when people are very drunk and have a volatile personality).

When all's said and done, being expected to just sit, wait and calm down was not really such a big deal. Had his reaction truly been about claustrophobia rather than drunkeness, I am sure he would have raised this as a serious concern the following day, rather than just apologising, making jokes about kissing Chloe and continuing his familiar pattern of behaviour.

[chuff me dizzy]

Bear has not threatened anyone, Heavy D has.... Bear has not said anything offensive that warrants removal, Biggins has... Bear has never lost his temper in the company of others, Heavy D has. Bear has not violated another housemate, Marnie has.
Bear is a wind up merchant but its Heavy who made threats and its Heavy D who still holds a grudge as shown in last nights noms. Heavy D is the loose cannon in that house right now not Bear.

And Heavy D who's stalking a girl who's not interested in him

[chuff me dizzy]

Oh gosh it is amazing how distortion of facts and fairness go out the window when people take a dislike to certain housemates.
Firstly I am not someone who cares much about Bear but I do care about fairness.

The only person that night who appeared to be nearing threatening physically another housemate was Heavy D to Bear, not vice versa.

I never said and no one said lock the others in the bedroom either.
Often in BB, housemates are ordered into the house or bedroom and to stay there for often many and often trivial reasons at times too, once they were told to do so when someone was shouting out information on the other side of the house walls for goodness sake.

All BB had to do was tell housemates to remain in the house,pull the shutters down possibly too, allowing Bear to be in the garden until the room was set up and ready.
They would have the freedom to talk, mix with each other, go to bed, the toilet,the kitchen, get food or a drink.
Hardly the same scenario they put Bear in.

There is no need whatsoever to force any human being to stay in a locked small room with no one physically present for any unspecified amount of time.
Bear had calmed down, he accepted not going back into the house but erupted when told he had to stay in the diary room behind that locked door,being given no idea how long that would take.
You may see that as fair, I don't.

Also just where did Bear make any personal physical threats during the whole incident to any other housemate at all.
Or do we now as a society judge and condemn people on what we 'think' they may do rather than what they actually do.

As I say when a housemate is not liked,it is amazing how fairness and what is right goes out the window as to anything negative applied to them.
Even when all that happened here was once alone and well away from the others he threw one object,which happened to hit a mirror and broke a bit of it.

No threats from him to any other physically during the whole incident, no standing offs and no major aggression towards any other housemate directly,unlike heavy Ds performance towards him,simply because he couldn't get from a younger female what Bear had been able to.

However Heavy is all right and Bear all wrong, sorry not in my book, not after the way BB handled this.
No one, whether I like them or not, should be forced against their will to be locked in a small room, with no definite deadline as to time for that, who has not threatened anyone physically directly.
I am actually surprised you can think that right in all honesty.

Post of the series :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[-Sue-]

Saying 'Bear hasn't done anything wrong' is like saying fish do not swim in water!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Garfie]

....but it doesn't have to be any type of insecurities/fears etc for a temper tantrum to set in either, Joey and to be at the point of 'lack of control'...my perspective is different from yours because I have seen 'Bear behaviour' in so many children and he really was displaying the behaviour of a child imo...so easy to make that comparison...and I would allow that child or those children back into a social group and with their peers only when I felt that they were calm because it would be my responsibility to do so and to decide that, not for the 'anger' to decide that..I have had many injuries and a few quite serious ones which have been done by 'I'm calm now' children...that's fine and my choice but it's my responsibility to feel confident that neither the child themselves is in any way in danger of physical harm or any of their peers are...

..yes, he could have been allowed out to have a cigarette and the other housemates locked in the bedroom or something for a few moments but ..but again, would we remove a whole classroom of children from that threat or that one person causing and responsible for it, that just seems like a no brainer to me but that's also my perspectives...I would think that they couldn't give a specific amount of time because he was still 'demanding' and erratic with his 'calm' so that time scale was being determined by himself and his own behaviour and when they felt it would be ok to allow him into his room and bed...(and that might not have actually been that long at all, we just don't know or whole conversations because we only get bite-size and condensed..)...but they fulfilled their responsibility of being the ones who felt confident themselves in there decision of when the 'calm came' enough for him to leave....

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Brilliant post, Ammi. Now I am understanding where your good sense and opinions come from- repeated experience. I've had numerous similar experiences with teenagers where similar decisions have to be made, particularly when certain patterns of behaviour have been displayed on a number of occasions. Common sense and logic have to prevail.

[Glenn-C]

Heavy wanted the girl,...Heavy thought he could just have her....Heavy treated her like dirt....then when he couldn't have her and she chose someone else Heavy turned aggressive and threatening....Like King Kong.
Any action on Bears part was a direct reaction to the agression being projected from Heavy.
The garden and the bottle is a separate incident and that is where Bear scored a home goal...because if he had just held it together a bit longer we would all be having conversations about Heavys threatening and intimidating loss of control....but the fact is very clear...the first person and only person to make threats was Heavy the night before when he turned on Bear thinking he had vandalised his bed. The person making threats in the bedroom was Heavy.
I can understand why Bear felt it so unfare that he was locked up like a criminal and Heavy got off Scott free and was tucked up in his bed.
The only reason Bear is kissing Chloe is because he knows Heavy D fancies her, and he wants Heavy to know that what Bear wants, Bear gets and it doesn't matter if it upsets anyone

[-Sue-]

The only reason Bear is kissing Chloe is because he knows Heavy D fancies her, and he wants Heavy to know that what Bear wants, Bear gets and it doesn't matter if it upsets anyone

that and chloe is 'easy'...does she know the word 'no'???

no respect for herself...just as Bear has no respect for anyone's feelings but his own sad really :(

[Jordan.]

The only reason Bear is kissing Chloe is because he knows Heavy D fancies her, and he wants Heavy to know that what Bear wants, Bear gets and it doesn't matter if it upsets anyone

The truth, he likes to feed his own ego and provoke as many people as he can in the process

[joeysteele]

I personally think your take on the situation is the distorted one. It was fairly obvious to me he went seeking a reaction and fight that night, hence him walking into the room and gloating that he would be sharing a bed with Chloe and then patronising Heavy putting his foot on his bed when he got upset over. He reaped what he sowed, same goes for him being locked in the DR if he didn't start smashing up the house they wouldn't have had to exclude him. Plus having to wait 10 or so minutes whilst they set up a bedroom shouldn't be a big ask for a grown adult.

Oh come off it,what he did with the rose was at best annoying but not threatening for goodness sake,.

he put his foot on the side of the bed not on the bed, he shouldn't have but he did not put his foot on the bed.

He did not push himself and get up aggressively towards heavy D either.

He was not smashing the place up, he broke a mirror by throwing an object, not deliberately smashing anything up and he went to the diary room the moment he was called.

Had the room been already in place or had he been told he would be in the diary room a certain amount of time, he may also have not exploded again.

Oh and somehow you know for sure he was only to be in the diary room for 10 minutes while they got the room ready do you, that's odd because no one else does and Bb never said a time frame.
They actually couldn't, they said as soon as was possible, yet you know it was only 10 minutes... really!.
How do you know the expectancy wasn't more like half an hour, an hour or possibly even more.

Then you get at me and tell me I see this in a distorted way, so clearly you think it right for anyone to end up being locked up for not even threatening anyone.
Also if you think his bringing the rose in as a threatening act then sorry you have lost me completely on that one.
A winding up and annoying of someone maybe, threatening, not a chance.

Seeking a reaction from someone is not threatening them either.
Also what on earth was innocent Heavy D doing watching from behind the window, almost pervert like, all that bear and Chloe were up to, yet you accuse Bear only of being the one looking for a fight.
Bear was the one who actually walked away from the argument.
What in the actual house did he smash up too,he smashed a mirror outside the house and had he been treated differently,there may have been no diary room incident either.

That is not distortion that is all fact actually although you will not see it that way at all simply because you do not like him.
I prefer to be fair and not distort facts to suit any likes or dislikes I may have.

[hot2go]

Saying 'Bear hasn't done anything wrong' is like saying fish do not swim in water!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bear has done a lot of things wrong but that's CBB...Tiffay, Frankie Cacozza, Frenchie, Denise Welch, James Jordan are some examples....but Bear hasn't done the things wrong he's being accused of....he hasn't behaved as badly as Heavy D, Aubrey and in some people's opinion Biggins...he hasn't threatened anyone or turned aggressive with anyone...both times he's lost his cool he was alone ..and he hasn't spit in someone's food and he hasn't labelled people unstable like Siara did about him.
He's no angel and people either want to see that or they don't but IMO BB locked the wrong person in the diary room.

[hot2go]

It's clear that if people cross Bear he doesn't just lay back and take it....he goes for them...Heavy turned on him the night before and in doing so he betrayed him....Renee lied to him and laughed behind his back the night before and in doing so also betrayed him...Bear set out to upset them both the way they upset him...by kissing Chloe he killed two bird with one stone....no threats, no fights, just a kiss...clever IMO....Heavy isn't mature enough to take rejection from Chloe and he isn't mature enough to take responsibility for Bears reaction to his threats the day before. Yes Bear was winding him up, just like Heavy has been winding people up since he arrived. If Heavy chose to react with threats that makes him wrong not Bear.

[Jordan.]

Oh come off it,what he did with the rose was at best annoying but not threatening for goodness sake,.

he put his foot on the side of the bed not on the bed, he shouldn't have but he did not put his foot on the bed.

He did not push himself and get up aggressively towards heavy D either.

He was not smashing the place up, he broke a mirror by throwing an object, not deliberately smashing anything up and he went to the diary room the moment he was called.

Had the room been already in place or had he been told he would be in the diary room a certain amount of time, he may also have not exploded again.

Oh and somehow you know for sure he was only to be in the diary room for 10 minutes while they got the room ready do you, that's odd because no one else does and Bb never said a time frame.
They actually couldn't, they said as soon as was possible, yet you know it was only 10 minutes... really!.
How do you know the expectancy wasn't more like half an hour, an hour or possibly even more.

Then you get at me and tell me I see this in a distorted way, so clearly you think it right for anyone to end up being locked up for not even threatening anyone.
Also if you think his bringing the rose in as a threatening act then sorry you have lost me completely on that one.
A winding up and annoying of someone maybe, threatening, not a chance.

Seeking a reaction from someone is not threatening them either.
Also what on earth was innocent Heavy D doing watching from behind the window, almost pervert like, all that bear and Chloe were up to, yet you accuse Bear only of being the one looking for a fight.
Bear was the one who actually walked away from the argument.
What in the actual house did he smash up too,he smashed a mirror outside the house and had he been treated differently,there may have been no diary room incident either.

That is not distortion that is all fact actually although you will not see it that way at all simply because you do not like him.
I prefer to be fair and not distort facts to suit any likes or dislikes I may have.

I guess there's no reasoning with you then because you think by being the middle ground that makes your opinion the correct one :sleep:

For the record I dislike both Bear and Heavy D so it's not like I'm massively biased towards one, however from what I saw Bear was the one who was in the wrong. He is winding these people up 24/7 yet you blame the person who finally reaches their breaking point with him. It's very sad.

[joeysteele]

You are right in saying he hadn't physically hurt anyone, but his repeated unpleasant and drunken behaviour was clearly making others feels very uncomfortable and unsafe, and I think that's the point Ammi was trying to make. BB clearly said he had been warned repeatedly for such behaviour.

When someone is very drunk, has a volatile personality and is doing all he can to antagonise and provoke reactions in other, it makes for a very tense and unnerving situation- I wouldn't have wanted to have to be one of the other housemates in those circumstances and I would have been very uncomfortable had he been allowed back into the house or garden. You've looked at this from Bear's side but perhaps the other housemates were experiencing more fear than you've realised?

That has to balanced when considering Bear being locked in the diary room. What you've said yourself indicates that had Bear and Heavy D been placed together again there was every possibility of an escalation in events. Heavy D was calmer and had just wanted to sleep, whereas Bear was very drunk and intent on instigating some sort of conflict. I think this was a pattern BB had recognised, and was referring to when they reminded Bear he had been repeatedly warned. Therefore, keeping Bear separated was a logical conclusion.

Bear needs to learn to accept that actions have consequences and, if you behave inappropriately, then unfortunately those consequences are not likely to be ones you like- such as being locked in the DR whilst they are sorting out alternative accommodation, and ensuring that his calmer mood was going to last (something that is in doubt when people are very drunk and have a volatile personality).

When all's said and done, being expected to just sit, wait and calm down was not really such a big deal. Had his reaction truly been about claustrophobia rather than drunkeness, I am sure he would have raised this as a serious concern the following day, rather than just apologising, making jokes about kissing Chloe and continuing his familiar pattern of behaviour.

For unpleasant drunkenness and unpleasantness,if BB ejected all housemates that did that there would be few housemates left in most series.

It isn't about claustrophobia, it is about fairness and right for me,

No one would get me locked in a room with no one there for not doing anything physically threatening to anyone and if anyone forced me to be locked in a small room against my will, I would react extremely badly and I would have them in Court too.

He is a wind up merchant, they all know that, he is not physically threatening to anyone, so when they respond to winding up, they fuel themselves to receive more of it.

Heavy D only moaned at noise despite others sitting there talking and lights on, once Bear came in however, he made an issue of noise and got at Bear,he is as much a wind up merchant as Bear is probably.
However he was the only one to get into someone elses face in an aggressive manner,himself towards bear.

Having someone separated from others does not have to involve forcing them to be locked in a small diary room however.
No one would ever get away with doing that to me, no way and frankly I doubt anyone would really honestly accept that willingly when they had not threatened anyone directly.

They had security there, one of them could have sat with bear outside as someone else said here, until the room was ready.
No way at all that he needed to be locked up, against his will, actually only the Police should be able to do that to someone who had threatened anyone and in this instance, with the facts in place, I am as near sure as I could be that they would not have done so.
So BB should not have done so either.

Many other and more conciliatory ways they could have handled this, they chose the absolute worst ,most unacceptable and wrong way to in my view.

[joeysteele]

I guess there's no reasoning with you then because you think by being the middle ground that makes your opinion the correct one :sleep:

For the record I dislike both Bear and Heavy D so it's not like I'm massively biased towards one, however from what I saw Bear was the one who was in the wrong. He is winding these people up 24/7 yet you blame the person who finally reaches their breaking point with him. It's very sad.

Yeah I am beyond reason,you think that, that is fine then Jordan.

[Tom4784]

He's a repulsive destructive bully and he's done plenty wrong in that house.

[chuff me dizzy]

Heavy wanted the girl,...Heavy thought he could just have her....Heavy treated her like dirt....then when he couldn't have her and she chose someone else Heavy turned aggressive and threatening....Like King Kong.
Any action on Bears part was a direct reaction to the agression being projected from Heavy.
The garden and the bottle is a separate incident and that is where Bear scored a home goal...because if he had just held it together a bit longer we would all be having conversations about Heavys threatening and intimidating loss of control....but the fact is very clear...the first person and only person to make threats was Heavy the night before when he turned on Bear thinking he had vandalised his bed. The person making threats in the bedroom was Heavy.
I can understand why Bear felt it so unfare that he was locked up like a criminal and Heavy got off Scott free and was tucked up in his bed.

But no way Chloe would even look at D regardless of Bear

[joeysteele]

Bear has done a lot of things wrong but that's CBB...Tiffay, Frankie Cacozza, Frenchie, Denise Welch, James Jordan are some examples....but Bear hasn't done the things wrong he's being accused of....he hasn't behaved as badly as Heavy D, Aubrey and in some people's opinion Biggins...he hasn't threatened anyone or turned aggressive with anyone...both times he's lost his cool he was alone ..and he hasn't spit in someone's food and he hasn't labelled people unstable like Siara did about him.
He's no angel and people either want to see that or they don't but IMO BB locked the wrong person in the diary room.

Wasting our time here hot2go,I hate prejudice so am off this thread.
Good luck to you and I think you are spot on for the record, and being fair.

Really stunned at some of the unexpected lines some have taken here,people I believed were fair.

I would love to see how they really reacted to being forcibly locked in small room for not threatening anyone and not being told how long they would be there, not also being able to talk to anyone else directly face to face either.

I actually think as I certainly would for sure, they would be furious and demand to be out.

No one here has said he didn't do some wrong, he did not do all the wrong but no way should be forced to be locked up for an indefinite period.
This thread has changed my mind on how I see some on here.
Really dismays me.

[chuff me dizzy]

Wasting our time here hot2go,I hate prejudice so am off this thread.
Good luck to you and I think you are spot on for the record, and being fair.

Really stunned at some of the unexpected lines some have taken here,people I believed were fair.

I would love to see how they really reacted to being forcibly locked in small room for not threatening anyone and not being told how long they would be there, not also being able to talk to anyone else directly face to face either.

I actually think as I certainly would for sure, they would be furious and demand to be out.

No one here has said he didn't do some wrong, he did not do all the wrong but no way should be forced to be locked up for an indefinite period.
This thread has changed my mind on how I see some on here.
Really dismays me.

Me too Joey

[hot2go]

Wasting our time here hot2go,I hate prejudice so am off this thread.
Good luck to you and I think you are spot on for the record, and being fair.

Really stunned at some of the unexpected lines some have taken here,people I believed were fair.

I would love to see how they really reacted to being forcibly locked in small room for not threatening anyone and not being told how long they would be there, not also being able to talk to anyone else directly face to face either.

I actually think as I certainly would for sure, they would be furious and demand to be out.

No one here has said he didn't do some wrong, he did not do all the wrong but no way should be forced to be locked up for an indefinite period.
This thread has changed my mind on how I see some on here.
Really dismays me.

This thread hasn't changed my mind on how I see some people it just reinforced it :laugh::laugh:

Maybe this time next week they will all dislike Heavy D just like they dislike Biggins after calling him a National Treasure for the previous seven days .:laugh:

[Jan S]

you know i don't like bear, but this thread is another example along the lines of the charlie-jason dichotomy: bear seems to be able to polarise opinions.

the scary thing is people are all watching the same thing - but seeing something completely different to eachother.

[rusticgal]

Bear has not threatened anyone, Heavy D has.... Bear has not said anything offensive that warrants removal, Biggins has... Bear has never lost his temper in the company of others, Heavy D has. Bear has not violated another housemate, Marnie has.
Bear is a wind up merchant but its Heavy who made threats and its Heavy D who still holds a grudge as shown in last nights noms. Heavy D is the loose cannon in that house right now not Bear.

I agree with some of your points...Bear is a wind up merchant...he pushes people's buttons for a reaction. He accused Saira of trying to get a reaction from him and didn't like it.
Bear incites bad feeling and speaks to people like ****. He has no respect for anyone but himself and throws his toys out the Pram when things backfire. He has done nothing so far to get thrown out...but let's not forget he has had several warnings that we are not privy to.

[jet]

You are right in saying he hadn't physically hurt anyone, but his repeated unpleasant and drunken behaviour was clearly making others feels very uncomfortable and unsafe, and I think that's the point Ammi was trying to make. BB clearly said he had been warned repeatedly for such behaviour.

When someone is very drunk, has a volatile personality and is doing all he can to antagonise and provoke reactions in other, it makes for a very tense and unnerving situation- I wouldn't have wanted to have to be one of the other housemates in those circumstances and I would have been very uncomfortable had he been allowed back into the house or garden. You've looked at this from Bear's side but perhaps the other housemates were experiencing more fear than you've realised?

That has to balanced when considering Bear being locked in the diary room. What you've said yourself indicates that had Bear and Heavy D been placed together again there was every possibility of an escalation in events. Heavy D was calmer and had just wanted to sleep, whereas Bear was very drunk and intent on instigating some sort of conflict. I think this was a pattern BB had recognised, and was referring to when they reminded Bear he had been repeatedly warned. Therefore, keeping Bear separated was a logical conclusion.

Bear needs to learn to accept that actions have consequences and, if you behave inappropriately, then unfortunately those consequences are not likely to be ones you like- such as being locked in the DR whilst they are sorting out alternative accommodation, and ensuring that his calmer mood was going to last (something that is in doubt when people are very drunk and have a volatile personality).

When all's said and done, being expected to just sit, wait and calm down was not really such a big deal. Had his reaction truly been about claustrophobia rather than drunkeness, I am sure he would have raised this as a serious concern the following day, rather than just apologising, making jokes about kissing Chloe and continuing his familiar pattern of behaviour.

Excellent post, and Ammi's too.
I just don't get why keeping a volatile and drunk Bear in the DR until they put something in place is being focused on so much, maybe as a way of diverting people away from his bad behaviour? It isn't the first time someone has been kept in the DR and it won't be the last.

For Bear fans only - Reverse the situation -
If a drunken Heavy who had already had repeated warnings had deliberately tried to provoke Bear, went and sat down near to him when he knew he was angry, then went into the garden and threw a glass with all his might that smashed a window that a camera man could have been behind, would any Bear supporters be making all sort of excuses for Heavy? Would you be criticising Bear for getting angry at Heavy provoking him? Would any of you care that Heavy had been kept in the DR, would you be saying how scandalous it is? Be honest.

[joeysteele]

Excellent post, and Ammi's too.
I just don't get why keeping a volatile and drunk Bear in the DR until they put something in place is being focused on so much, maybe as a way of diverting people away from his bad behaviour? It isn't the first time someone has been kept in the DR and it won't be the last.

For Bear fans only - Reverse the situation -
If a drunken Heavy who had already had repeated warnings had deliberately tried to provoke Bear, went and sat down near to him when he knew he was angry, then went into the garden and threw a glass with all his might that smashed a window that a camera man could have been behind, would any Bear supporters be making all sort of excuses for Heavy? Would you be criticising Bear for getting angry at Heavy provoking him? Would any of you care that Heavy had been kept in the DR, would you be saying how scandalous it is? Be honest.

Excuse me, I am always honest and I have repeatedly outlined here why I think falsely imprisoning anyone is wrong.

What I haven't seen from anyone is an honest answer as to would they just sit back and accept being locked in a small room, not able to see or talk to anyone face to face,and also not being told the exact amount of time they would be kept in there, or would they be mad at that if they had not physically threatened anyone as in this case.

Furthermore, I for one have 'repeatedly' said I would be outraged no matter what housemate was in that position,whether I liked them or not, so I have actually already answered your question.


I generally agree with Ammi, I most certainly do not on this one and I doubt if it was a housemate that was liked you and some others would be not be agreeing that it was wrong to in effect lock someone up against their will.

Never mind we learn things everyday as to how people think and just for the record too, I am not a Bear fan, I do not want him to win but I would, I repeat, be making the same argument I am for him for any other housemate falsely imprisoned against their will, and that is what it was,for any amount of time.
No matter what I thought of the housemate

You may think that right, I for sure do not, no way, never.
Just because it has happened before for differing circumstances also still does not make it right.

However I have not yet come across any housemate being forced to be in the locked diary room,against their will and not being told how long it will be before they will be allowed out.
Even usually it is asked if they want another housemate with them.

He was before the throwing object actually less volatile than heavy D was,yet you conveniently bypass heavy D's part in this getting more aggravated than it possibly needed to be.
Heavy D however comes out angelic in this, yet he was the one perving on a younger female and what she was doing with Bear, watching their every move from a distance determined to also get an argument with Bear as to that..
That's pretty sick to me actually..

[jet]

Excuse me, I am always honest and I have repeatedly outlined here why I think falsely imprisoning anyone is wrong.

What I haven't seen from anyone is an honest answer as to would they just sit back and accept being locked in a small room, not able to see or talk to anyone face to face,and also not being told the exact amount of time they would be kept in there, or would they be mad at that if they had not physically threatened anyone as in this case.

Furthermore, I for one have said I would be outraged no matter what housemate was in that position,whether I liked them or not, so I have actually already answered your question.


I generally agree with Ammi, I do not on this one and I doubt if it was a housemate that was liked you and some others would be not be agreeing that it was wrong to in effect lock someone up against their will.

Never mind we learn things everyday as to how people think and just for the record too, I am not a Bear fan, I do not want him to win but I would, I repeat, be making the same argument I am for him for any other housemate falsely imprisoned against their will, and that is what it was,for any amount of time.
No matter what I thought of the housemate

You may think that right, I for sure do not, no way, never.
Just because it has happened before for differing circumstances also still does not make it right.

However I have not yet come across any housemate being forced to be in the locked diary room,against their will and not being told how long it will be before they will be allowed out.
Even usually it is asked if they want another housemate with them.

He was before the throwing object actually less volatile than heavy D was,yet you conveniently bypass heavy D's part in this getting more aggravated than it possibly needed to be.
Heavy D however comes out angelic in this, yet he was the one perving on a younger female and what she was doing with Bear, watching their every move from a distance determined to also get an argument with Bear as to that..
That's pretty sick to me actually..

My post was for Bear supporters and you have already said you don't care for him.
My honest answer to your question is if I had thrown a glass with all my might and broken a window I would be in no position to argue with anyone who wanted to keep me locked in a room until they got a bed ready for me. It wouldn't be something that would particularly bother me. Call me a liar if you like, but that is the truth. It is probably written in the BB manual that this could happen to HM's if BB deems it necessary.
I don't like Bear OR Heavy D, but Heavy was lying in his bed minding his own business and NOT looking for an argument when Bear came in and proceeded to try to provoke him. Do you agree with this? Whether Heavy is perving on Chloe or not, is a different discussion, what is relevant is that Bear was again winding him up by kissing her when Heavy was around and watching, so Heavy was already wound up when Bear came into the bedroom. Then when Heavy gets angry HE is wrong, but Bear isn't...?
On that occasion Heavy didn't break anything, he wasn't drunk and he hadn't had previous warnings for aggressive behaviour as far as we know. Bear did break something, he was under the influence of drink, and he had had previous warnings.

Everyone has things that pushes their buttons and gets them angry. On this occasion yours is someone being locked in a room against their will for a period of time, mine is someone repeatedly and deliberately provoking another person to get an angry reaction, no matter who it is doing the provoking. We are all different and one man's meat is another man's poison. Just because what gets your goat up is different than what gets someone else's up doesn't mean you are being fair and other people aren't.
You obviously feel very strongly about this issue and I respect that, but feeling differently about people because they don't feel the same as you I can't respect.

[joeysteele]

My post was for Bear supporters and you have already said you don't care for him.
My honest answer to your question is if I had thrown a glass with all my might and broken a window I would be in no position to argue with anyone who wanted to keep me locked in a room until they got a bed ready for me. It wouldn't be something that would particularly bother me. Call me a liar if you like, but that is the truth. It is probably written in the BB manual that this could happen to HM's if BB deems it necessary.
I don't like Bear OR Heavy D, but Heavy was lying in his bed minding his own business and NOT looking for an argument when Bear came in and proceeded to try to provoke him. Do you agree with this? Whether Heavy is perving on Chloe or not, is a different discussion, what is relevant is that Bear was again winding him up by kissing her when Heavy was around and watching, so Heavy was already wound up when Bear came into the bedroom. Then when Heavy gets angry HE is wrong, but Bear isn't...?
On that occasion Heavy didn't break anything, he wasn't drunk and he hadn't had previous warnings for aggressive behaviour as far as we know. Bear did break something, he was under the influence of drink, and he had had previous warnings.

Everyone has things that pushes their buttons and gets them angry. On this occasion yours is someone being locked in a room against their will for a period of time, mine is someone repeatedly and deliberately provoking another person to get an angry reaction, no matter who it is doing the provoking. We are all different and one man's meat is another man's poison. Just because what gets your goat up is different than what gets someone else's up doesn't mean you are being fair and other people aren't.
You obviously feel very strongly about this issue and I respect that, but feeling differently about people because they don't feel the same as you I can't respect.



There are people on here I have respected for a long time who I believed to be fairer than they have been on this issue and who I am stunned at their stance on anyone being falsely imprisoned, when so many options were and should have been used.
They have just finished a task where the artificials slept separately anyway, it should have been that a room was instantly ready.
I am actually stunned you or anyone thinks that throwing something and breaking a mirror should warrant someone being locked up.
Had he gone to or had hit someone,even with the object, then I'd agree.
he did not and he threw the object knowing not a single person was anywhere near him.
Yet you would have society lock someone up for that, god help society then.


It was Heavy D who came out of his supposed sleep, a sleep he was perfectly able to sleep even with so many others talking in the bedroom but not however and oddly as soon as Bear came in.
Hardly minding his own business in my view as you describe.

He was, in my view, more likely waiting for Bear to come in, to then use any opportunity to get at him for him being madly and pathetically jealous of him and Chloe.
You can excuse and bypass that all you like.

Anyway, there it is and quite frankly now I couldn't care what you think of me or whether you respect or disrespect me either jet.

[Jake.]

of course he did something wrong lol

[jet]

[/B]


There are people on here I have respected for a long time who I believed to be fairer than they have been on this issue and who I am stunned at their stance on anyone being falsely imprisoned, when so many options were and should have been used.
They have just finished a task where the artificials slept separately anyway, it should have been that a room was instantly ready.
I am actually stunned you or anyone thinks that throwing something and breaking a mirror should warrant someone being locked up.
Had he gone to or had hit someone,even with the object, then I'd agree.
he did not and he threw the object knowing not a single person was anywhere near him.
Yet you would have society lock someone up for that, god help society then.


It was Heavy D who came out of his supposed sleep, a sleep he was perfectly able to sleep even with so many others talking in the bedroom but not however and oddly as soon as Bear came in.
Hardly minding his own business in my view as you describe.

He was, in my view, more likely waiting for Bear to come in, to then use any opportunity to get at him for him being madly and pathetically jealous of him and Chloe.
You can excuse and bypass that all you like.

Anyway, there it is and quite frankly now I couldn't care what you think of me or whether you respect or disrespect me either jet.

I said I respected your feelings on the matter, what I didn't respect was you saying you felt differently about people who didn't feel as you do.
What more can I say? Pretend I agree with you when I don't see it as big an issue as you?
And of course I respect you, I think very highly of you indeed. I think your emotions on this subject are running very high and I understand how that feels. Peace my friend. :love:

[Clootie Dumpling]

"Bear did absolutely nothing wrong"?

Bollocks!

[calyman]

I find D more threatening and more of a danger to others

It's clear that both bear and Lewis have the same capacity for physical violence. As for heavy D's pretend boxing stand when Lewis jumped out the pool,....that had me in stiches. Heavy d really brought those thugs down a few notches when he humiliated them and their little thieving gang.

[Ian Coke]

It's his father who did something wrong. He should have worn a condom.

Yeah, I do wonder about the parents. Presumably, they're delighted that he's not living with them, at least while he's appearing on reality TV, but going to the shops must be a bit harrowing. 'Your boy is a credit to you, Mr & Mrs Bear' is a conversation that I suspect has never happened.

[Vanessa]

Yeah, I do wonder about the parents. Presumably, they're delighted that he's not living with them, at least while he's appearing on reality TV, but going to the shops must be a bit harrowing. 'Your boy is a credit to you, Mr & Mrs Bear' is a conversation that I suspect has never happened.

He's still young, so he will grow up eventually:laugh: But i do like his confidence and he's quite funny.

[Ian Coke]

He's still young, so he will grow up eventually:laugh: But i do like his confidence and he's quite funny.

He is twenty six years old. Trained medical professionals (that is, the sort of trained medical professionals who'll end up having to try to save his useless ass when he od's because the reality telly contracts have dried up) are younger. But yeah, fair enough, I suppose he is quite funny.

[joeysteele]

He's still young, so he will grow up eventually:laugh: But i do like his confidence and he's quite funny.

Vanessa, honestly if ever I was to try to and ever got on BB,I really hope one person I would have as support would be you.

You are awesome in defending those you like,really I admire your conviction.

[Vanessa]

Vanessa, honestly if ever I was to try to and ever got on BB,I really hope one person I would have as support would be you.

You are awesome in defending those you like,really I admire your conviction.

He just makes me laugh really. How can you stay mad at someone who wears a mask and a feather boa? :laugh3::laugh3:

[arista]

He's still young, so he will grow up eventually:laugh: But i do like his confidence and he's quite funny.


Yes Enough to beat that Fat Ass Mafia Bitch

[Maru]

Coming in late and read first half of the thread. Skimmed the rest. Wow. I'm not sure who was enraged more, Bear or this thread :laugh:


A few points to touch on

1. I think saying it could potentially be claustrophobia or some other similar psyche reaction is underestimating Bear's intelligence. He's a smart cookie. They have a responsibility to maintain order and safety for all the HM's. No doubt they are asked all kinds of health and security related questions before they go in like "Can you handle being locked in small placess?", etc. The HM's also have had that chance to raise other concerns they may have beforehand about entering. So that's full stop not a reason. I'm not a producer, but I'm sure there is a detailed contract, rule-book or otherwise some kind of outline that protects production from litigation in the event they have to use extreme measures (like having the security guard beat up Bear) to maintain security in the house.

2. It also makes sense if you consider that Bear's overall temperament is not at all, in any shape or form, stable. He reminds me of a grown child with ADHD. Some of these people have drug histories. From an experienced standpoint it's not unreasonable to consider when certain individuals are put under certain pressure for a length of time and are without a coping mechanism (such as drugs, cig, etc) to manage, that can cause some people to subsequently implode. I know that sounds silly, but with how common drug abuse is in the celebrity/fame world, it's at least a remote possibility.

3. It's not even just his temper they have to worry about. It's his propensity to create fireworks for camera time. He doesn't seem like the type of person to care if he ends up being kicked out for "being a little out of order". In fact, he seems to think his job and character is being out of order. He has already shown that he is willing to go over and beyond even people's most aggressive predictions of his behavior. We only see 45 minutes. Imagine too that this is what the HM's and the producers have to deal with all day. For all we know, this was the climax of small minor things that eventually ended up in a blowup.

4. Say for example though that some people here are right. BB was wrong to hold him for so long even if they felt he was a genuine threat. Would it have been better if they called the police to come manage and then he be charged? I don't know UK laws, but destruction of property usually ends up in a trip to jail in the US. Which leads to my last point...

5. Big Brother doesn't want to upset or otherwise make problems for themselves with regards to Bear. They want to continue to work with him because in their eyes he is making great television. Why else feature him each and every episode?

That said, my own personal take...

I do agree that him being locked up likely raged him more.

Secondly, I thought their timing was awkwardly timed and dodgy. He seemed to be going on for some time by the time they called him in. I though after he threw the whatever he threw, he looked like he may have even been calming down.

We can't forget he gets a lot of leeway already in the fact that they rarely reign it in. It's entirely possible it went on for quite a while building before they intervened. I don't think anyone expected him to break a mirror? They may have found that alarming and thought he is too much of a liability to even risk letting back into the house.

Thirdly, if we're going to follow the logic here what Big Brother was OTT (regarding the extended lockdown) and that they lost control of the situation, then we also have to concede that well--if it was so wrong and that they still felt he was really that much of a risk to send back in, they should've just ejected him instead. That would've been the optimal solution I think.

Instead they reigned him in hoping to save their precious golden boy from doing something to implicate himself which would've left them with no choice but to eject him. That is the more likely what was going on with regard to the reasoning I think.

[Miranda123]

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces? :suspect:

Fear of being a big c..t ?

[Miranda123]

Vanessa, honestly if ever I was to try to and ever got on BB,I really hope one person I would have as support would be you.

You are awesome in defending those you like,really I admire your conviction.

I would hate the support of anyone who always supports c..ts!

[kirklancaster]

I mean he's been in a closet for 26 years of his life and counting, it must be getting cramped in there

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: I TOTALLY agree!! He is as camp as a tent. :laugh:

[Miranda123]

Go and Google the symptoms of a panic attack and then try to fit those symptoms into what happened last night. Being a twat and screaming that you're going to "smash the ****ing gaff up" isn't amongst the symptoms. No one has suggested he was having a panic attack other than a couple of unqualified people on here who seem able to make a diagnosis of someone's mental health by watching them on the telly for five minutes.

Maybe you should watch it again?

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[Miranda123]

Excuse me, I am always honest and I have repeatedly outlined here why I think falsely imprisoning anyone is wrong.

What I haven't seen from anyone is an honest answer as to would they just sit back and accept being locked in a small room, not able to see or talk to anyone face to face,and also not being told the exact amount of time they would be kept in there, or would they be mad at that if they had not physically threatened anyone as in this case.

Furthermore, I for one have 'repeatedly' said I would be outraged no matter what housemate was in that position,whether I liked them or not, so I have actually already answered your question.


I generally agree with Ammi, I most certainly do not on this one and I doubt if it was a housemate that was liked you and some others would be not be agreeing that it was wrong to in effect lock someone up against their will.

Never mind we learn things everyday as to how people think and just for the record too, I am not a Bear fan, I do not want him to win but I would, I repeat, be making the same argument I am for him for any other housemate falsely imprisoned against their will, and that is what it was,for any amount of time.
No matter what I thought of the housemate

You may think that right, I for sure do not, no way, never.
Just because it has happened before for differing circumstances also still does not make it right.

However I have not yet come across any housemate being forced to be in the locked diary room,against their will and not being told how long it will be before they will be allowed out.
Even usually it is asked if they want another housemate with them.

He was before the throwing object actually less volatile than heavy D was,yet you conveniently bypass heavy D's part in this getting more aggravated than it possibly needed to be.
Heavy D however comes out angelic in this, yet he was the one perving on a younger female and what she was doing with Bear, watching their every move from a distance determined to also get an argument with Bear as to that..
That's pretty sick to me actually..

Still here Joey, I thought you were leaving this thread cause we are all Stephen prick haters............................