in the bedroom

[susie q]

Were the girls right, to call her out for keeping quiet whilst it was all kicking off? Personally speaking I think they were, I find it hard to believe that she didnt realise that heavy D fancied her. Also she has a partner, as does Bear, fairly sure that it will be one drunken fumble that she will regret in the morning. Shame really because I was beginning to like her. The girls were definitely right though.:shrug:

[MrWong]

The girls were mocking Heavy D for feeling betrayed over a non relationship. Now they are concerned for his hurt feelings? Nah not buying it. I think they are ****ed off with Bear and taking it out on Chloe.

I liked how she shut them down.

[Tom4784]

I thought it was unfair, she's made her feelings clear towards him, she's not responsible for him or the situation in the bedroom.

That situation was down to a clash of fragile masculinities and nothing.

[Pete.]

Don't think Chloe had to say anything in that situation and Saira was a tad wrong

[Lstan]

Were the girls right, to call her out for keeping quiet whilst it was all kicking off? Personally speaking I think they were, I find it hard to believe that she didnt realise that heavy D fancied her. Also she has a partner, as does Bear, fairly sure that it will be one drunken fumble that she will regret in the morning. Shame really because I was beginning to like her. The girls were definitely right though.:shrug:

Why were the girls right? So what if he fancies her-shes not betrothed to him, why are people acting like she owes him something. I am not defending her snogging bear mostly because i dont defend any of the *hankie pankie* especially between taken people acceptable but the idea of objecting to it because heavy d is somehow owed something? nah.

[rusticgal]

Were the girls right, to call her out for keeping quiet whilst it was all kicking off? Personally speaking I think they were, I find it hard to believe that she didnt realise that heavy D fancied her. Also she has a partner, as does Bear, fairly sure that it will be one drunken fumble that she will regret in the morning. Shame really because I was beginning to like her. The girls were definitely right though.:shrug:


Chloe has nothing to be guilty of. She told Heavy she wasn't interested...so is she supposed to act like a saint just to not upset him? If she has a boyfriend then that's her issue...she has to deal with that when she comes out.
Bear is shameless...he doesn't care. He is using Chloe to get revenge on Heavy..and Chloe's too thick to realise.
It backfired tonight on Bear.

[Daffodil]

Chloe and Bear deserve one another .... preferably outside the house though :(

[Maru]

She shouldn't feel guilty and I don't think she was in the wrong, but it would've probably been expedient at that point to lay it down plain and clear for him... they're in a game, so it's hard to tell what is meant seriously and what isn't

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf I don't know what she could've done? I suppose she could've made an effort to stop it, but I don't think that anything was stopping Bear and Heavy Dick tonight.

[jaxie]

Let's be honest though it was all fairly deliberate revenge on heavy D by both Bear and Chloe.

[hot2go]

Don't think Chloe had to say anything in that situation and Saira was a tad wrong

I love how Saira acts like a complete bitch again and she's accused of being a tad wrong .. Anyone else gets called a bully or told they are out of order .., Saira is just a tad wrong ..,truth is she was completely wrong

[Lstan]

Very happy that this is one thread I am on board with 98% of the sentiments expressed

You go girls/guys :clap1:

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[the truth]

oh goodness me the heck knows.....theyre nearly all reality tv actors so where does truth begin and bull**** end? either way , amidst all the nonsense for some reason chloe seemed sexier than ever today. though i would of course never in reality ever wish to date a girl like that, then again I fancy the uber classy livia but alas shes out of my league

[hot2go]

Let's be honest though it was all fairly deliberate revenge on heavy D by both Bear and Chloe.

Heavy D deserved it... I would have been surprised and disappointed if Bear hadn't retaliated...Bear got em good style... Both Heavy and Renee....they betrayed him so he did the one thing that upset them most....and it worked perfectly

[Xanzia]

I find it hard to believe that she didnt realise that heavy D fancied her.

How could anybody really believe that??? It's too horrible to believe ever. She looked suicidal almost when he was telling her that she would be his.

[fitz2k2]

Let's be honest though it was all fairly deliberate revenge on heavy D by both Bear and Chloe.

revenge on renee to

[empire]

chloe may act all innocent, but she and her mate have been trying to break heavy D's temper all night, its lucky that heavy D used his thinking cap for once at the last minute, or he would be out and bear would have a nasty black eye, and heavy D has more of a chance to last another two weeks more than chloe or bear because of his inmmunity, also saira was part right in some of the things she said to chloe because she saw how they where acting in those hours and in the bedroom, chloe can't fool the females in the house with her clever crap, who in there right mind would fancy her, yuck.

[jennyjuniper]

Every time I see chloe, I get distracted from what she is saying or doing by how grubby she looks. Her nails seem to be filthy.

[Josy]

Chloe is not responsible for Heavy D's feelings towards her.

[Ammi]

Chloe is not responsible for Heavy D's feelings towards her.

..yeah totally Josy...they're all so wrong for trying to put some kind of responsibility on her to be sensitive and consider him in any of her actions, when she's never encouraged any of his feelings..this house is just weird...

[Alisch]

So to sum it up, Chloe was a bit silly by joining Bear's game. Yes, Bear is a pr*** and wanted to wind D up. However, butthurt Renee shouldn't stick her nose in. There is no way Renee would react to the kiss this way, if she hadn't had feeling for Bear despite denying it. And Heavy D wouldn't mind Bear talking in the bedroom (because of poor Biggins) just yesterday. This feeling of entitlement is ridiculous. Chloe told him she doesn't want to be with him. And let's be honest, being made to wash someone's undies is not the best seductive act ever. How should anyone blame her for Heavy D, a grown up man in his 40', for hurting his feelings by kissing someone else is completely beyond me. Yes Chloe is a bit of an easier girl, but she can't be responsible for someone else liking her.

[Cherie]

Why were the girls right? So what if he fancies her-shes not betrothed to him, why are people acting like she owes him something. I am not defending her snogging bear mostly because i dont defend any of the *hankie pankie* especially between taken people acceptable but the idea of objecting to it because heavy d is somehow owed something? nah.


Agreed how can she be playing with his feelings when she has practically told him to his face she is not interested.

[jaxie]

Don't think Chloe had to say anything in that situation and Saira was a tad wrong

Saira is a busy body.

[Ammi]

Saira is a busy body.

..yeah she was Jaxie but then it's just really doing what we as viewers do all of the time, cast these sort of judgements ..Chloe is now pretty much damned if she does and damned if she doesn't because of Heavy's feelings for her and depending on perspective etc...'she should have been/be more sensitive and considerate' or 'she's not responsible for and hasn't encouraged so it's not her problem'....

[Cherie]

Let's be honest though it was all fairly deliberate revenge on heavy D by both Bear and Chloe.


Although that said they did want t be seen by both Heavy and Renee I didn't buy Chloe's "remorse" in the DR

[Garfie]

Let's be honest though it was all fairly deliberate revenge on heavy D by both Bear and Chloe.

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

[jaxie]

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

Great post. There was a clip on bots of Bear returning to the house last night. As he walked past Chloe who was sitting in the kitchen he told her she was a rubbish kisser.

[Cherie]

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

Great post, I feel like I'm watching a bunch of early teens, it's all very immature.

[Ammi]

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.



.....hmmm I think there is a lot of characters being shown here with this, Garfie...many of the other housemates are feeding ad encouraging Heavy's feelings of 'hurt and betrayal' with what they're doing and how they're reacting, rather than..oh come on Heavy and big hug, we can understand but neither have any responsibilities to you and your feelings and etc/ya ya ya...that's the 'mature' thing and the sensitive thing surely, if they were considering Heavy's feelings at all and in 'protection' of him but they're really not by keeping him in a place of feeling 'justified' in his hurt emotions...it should be..(in a grown up world..)...just shake yourself down Heavy/pay no never mind and come have a good fun time with us...but no, they're contributing to his hurt emotions just as much...

[Northern Monkey]

I thought it was unfair, she's made her feelings clear towards him, she's not responsible for him or the situation in the bedroom.

That situation was down to a clash of fragile masculinities and nothing.

Yeah this.It's not her fault that Heavy fancies her.

[bots]

Yeah this.It's not her fault that Heavy fancies her.

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl? :shrug:

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

[Northern Monkey]

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl? :shrug:

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

Yes.Heavy seems slightly delusional and Bear seems to lack empathy.Both signs of something not right upstairs.

[Garfie]

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

Interesting point.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes ,i was disappointed in her,in the garden she was looking to see if D and Renee were looking when she was kissing Bear, it was so sneaky ,and when Bears back was against the wall she kept her mouth shut

[Lstan]

Chloe is not responsible for Heavy D's feelings towards her.

..yeah totally Josy...they're all so wrong for trying to put some kind of responsibility on her to be sensitive and consider him in any of her actions, when she's never encouraged any of his feelings..this house is just weird...

Agreed how can she be playing with his feelings when she has practically told him to his face she is not interested.

Yes yes and yes :clap1:

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl? :shrug:

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

There are guys who are like that, I remember reading an article about how some guys took innocent gestures from women as signs of their being an attraction where there isnt one, maybe hes one of those-or perhaps has an enflated ego.

Great post, I feel like I'm watching a bunch of early teens, it's all very immature.

Ah so thats the reason I have found it annoying but tbh I think many teens have much better behaviour than this bunch :hehe:

[Jan S]

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.great post

Great post. There was a clip on bots of Bear returning to the house last night. As he walked past Chloe who was sitting in the kitchen he told her she was a rubbish kisser.said it in a way that was ambiguous enough he could claim it as a joke, but was a barb to hit chloe's already low self-esteem. bear is a smart cookie, even if he's pretty horrible. And later on, in the live feed, she was all over him in the pool, leaning on him, sucking the tip of her thumb, simpering - as he yakked away to marnie and lewis also in the pool. he barely even ganced at chloe.

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl? :shrug:

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.we obviously don't see everything, and earlier on at the start D referred to a conversation he'd had with her about her status relationship-wise - she led him to believe she was single and ready to mingle. what else she said we probably won't ever know, but her overtly flirty behaviour (she'd just got into the house so was trying to make a good impression on all the guys) which is meaningless in itself was likely misconstrued by him as a green light rather than her inane 'banter'. I feel he hasn't nearly as much experience with vapid media people as the likes of lewis and bear.

[Nicky91]

I still like Chloe :)

[Ian Coke]

Heavy D deserved it... I would have been surprised and disappointed if Bear hadn't retaliated...Bear got em good style... Both Heavy and Renee....they betrayed him so he did the one thing that upset them most....and it worked perfectly

Yeah, but where are Chloe's feelings in all this? If Bears antics on Ex On The Beach are anything to go by, he'll throw her heart away like a used cum rag the second she gets 'clingy'. Is he perhaps a repressed gay man? Is the only housemate he really wants to 'do' that guy from TOWIE?

[Ian Coke]

Chloe is not responsible for Heavy D's feelings towards her.

Bollocks, mate. She's talked to him for more than five minutes before running away, or asking for money, or phoning the police. That can't have happened very often in Heavy's life - she's leading him on, the little tease!

[Ian Coke]

great post

said it in a way that was ambiguous enough he could claim it as a joke, but was a barb to hit chloe's already low self-esteem. bear is a smart cookie, even if he's pretty horrible. And later on, in the live feed, she was all over him in the pool, leaning on him, sucking the tip of her thumb, simpering - as he yakked away to marnie and lewis also in the pool. he barely even ganced at chloe.

we obviously don't see everything, and earlier on at the start D referred to a conversation he'd had with her about her status relationship-wise - she led him to believe she was single and ready to mingle. what else she said we probably won't ever know, but her overtly flirty behaviour (she'd just got into the house so was trying to make a good impression on all the guys) which is meaningless in itself was likely misconstrued by him as a green light rather than her inane 'banter'. I feel he hasn't nearly as much experience with vapid media people as the likes of lewis and bear.

On the other hand, I doubt this is the first time Heavy's cornered 'a gewl' with his 'banter'. There's something not quite right going on behind his eyes. In the world most of us live in, there'd be no way an overweight, angry man like Heavy could possibly ever dream of 'taching on' with a lady like Chloe. But he seems to be used to getting his own way ...

[smudgie]

I am beginning to wonder if Chloe is just a handy storyline for Heavy
A nigh on middle aged fella who is very media savvy and clever enough to 'entertain' through his business.:shrug:
All a bit odd to be so swept off his feet within a couple of days, maybe he looked around and decided what game to play.

[Ian Coke]

I am beginning to wonder if Chloe is just a handy storyline for Heavy
A nigh on middle aged fella who is very media savvy and clever enough to 'entertain' through his business.:shrug:
All a bit odd to be so swept off his feet within a couple of days, maybe he looked around and decided what game to play.

Nah, I don't think so. For once, the BBOTS psych team seems on the money; Heavy is like the slow kid in the playground who's trying to keep up with 'the cool kids', by being as vile as he can to 'the ladies.' Years of resentment are spewing out - he looks at Bear, Bear's refusal to compromise with 'woman's stuff' and sees the kind of revolting misogynist he'd like to be.

[armand.kay]

Funniest thing is people like like Nadia run about yapping about 'feminism' and woman's rights but for some reason to Saira Chloe has can't enjoy her time in the house because it might upset heavy.

[Ian Coke]

Funniest thing is people like like Nadia run about yapping about 'feminism' and woman's rights but for some reason to Saira Chloe has can't enjoy her time in the house because it might upset heavy.

Does anyone want to go down in flames like Nadia did? Defending a grotesque for 'PC' reasons?

[azi]

Chloe wants nothing to do with Heavy D and made that clear.
Him trying to look like he was "played" when he was in the DR was ridiculous.