Biggins has been removed from the house

[Marcus.]

Reality Spy ‏@realityspy 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING NEWS: Biggins has been removed from the Big Brother House. Statement to follow... #CBB

[Greg!]

Mess

[zakman440]

Just spotted on Twitter :worry:

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[Greg!]

He must have been racist

[LukeB]

:o shocking..

[LukeB]

Why is Bear still in?

[Daniel.]

mess

[Samm]

CAHhHh

[Lostie!]

Omg what :joker: :joker:

That's so random

[chuff me dizzy]

:fc:

[Drew.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHZP6CWYAA9zwp.jpg:large

[chuff me dizzy]

He must have been racist

:bored:

[Shaun]

Biphobia come back to haunt him? :hee:

[Ross.]

Omg

[EspeonBB]

A mess

[TiBB Frontpage Article]

James has posted a new TiBB frontpage article.

Channel 5 have released a statement saying that Christopher Biggins has been removed from the Celebrity Big Brother house for making offensive comments.

"Big Brother has taken the decision to remove Christopher Biggins from the Celebrity Big Brother house. Since entering Big Brother, he has made a number of comments capable.....

Excerpt of article quoted above. Read full article here - http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/celebritybigbrother2016-cbb18/news-307132/christopher-biggins-has-been-removed-from-the-house.html

[Ross.]

I gasped

[Glenn-C]

And Bear remains...

[Greg!]

They better show the reasons why

[Tom4784]

Remove Bear next please.

[zakman440]

Of all the ones in there, I wasn't expecting Biggins to be removed!

Apparently Emma's only going to mention it tonight:

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[Calderyon]

The youngters group keeps strengthening. Sigh.

[Glenn-C]

The only one I actually liked and everything... what a mess

[Gusto Brunt]

Biggins must have had a punch up.

[armand.kay]

Bear stays winning x

[Gusto Brunt]

Did he says something bad about bisexuals again....?

[hijaxers]

Remove Bear next please.

Good god everythings going pear shaped !

[Jordan.]

Justice for the Bi chicks

http://i.imgur.com/szbk9Co.jpg

[Jøsh]

This news is/will be more exciting then the flag ceremony at the Olympics tonight!

[rusticgal]

Told you he would get exposed....:smug:

[Jordan.]

This also meaning he wont be invited to bots every week :clap1:

[Gusto Brunt]

The way that statement is worded sounds like Biggins has spent his entire time in the CBB house being offensive to everybody. But C5 haven't aired his views.

[Jan S]

wow! i didn't see that coming!

i really hope it's something far worse than we've seen and heard from the yobs in there already or there'll be some backlash. to remove the 'national treasure' he'll need to have really transgressed badly.

could be he realised he wasn't likely to win, was pissed off with the yobbish, vile behaviour in there and decided it wasn't worth wasting the rest of his summer. will he still be paid?

[armand.kay]

I hope they air the embarrassing moment when he is told to **** off.

[Calderyon]

Bear should be out too.

[Natalie.]

What the friggins, so shocking.



Biphobia come back to haunt him? :hee:

:laugh::hee:

[Wojtek]

WTF :joker:

Marnie and Hughie must be happy now

[Cal.]

SCREAMING not a national treasure getting ejected.

Not them saving his fee. They'll only have to pay him like 50k now lol.

[Jan S]

The way that statement is worded sounds like Biggins has spent his entire time in the CBB house being offensive to everybody. But C5 haven't aired his views.
i can't see that, though :conf: still, we do know there's a whole lot this production team haven't aired... look at last night's warning to bear about having warned him numerous times!

i'm wondering if he's just lost the plot and let 'em all have it with both barrels. i'd respect him more for that, tbh.

[Cal.]

But well done Marnie on winning Celebrity Big Brother :clap1:

[Calderyon]

Sadly this basicallt confirms that Marnie will win. Time to put a £10 bet on her.

[Jan S]

This also meaning he wont be invited to bots every week :clap1:
silver lining :D

[Ant.]

hnnn at the start of the series I would've thought if anyone was to be removed for offensive comments, it'd be James, and that Biggins would be accepting, giving he's y'know in a minority being gay and all, but it turns out that James is one of the best males in there and Biggins is just trash who was only good for giving Saira immunity

[Babayaro.]

Screaming what on earth

That has to be the most random ejection ever lmao :joker:

[bots]

biggins is a nasty piece of work, i'm not surprised at all

[Gusto Brunt]

James Whale will be lost now. Biggins gone and Grant out tonight.

[EspeonBB]

But well done Marnie on winning Celebrity Big Brother :clap1:

*Aubrey

:clap1:

[Ant.]

Screaming what on earth

That has to be the most random ejection ever lmao :joker:

More random than Tila's? Emma's? Jeremy's?

Tbf with a lot of ejections they seem to come out of the blue, or from a Facebook post from 2012

[Wizard.]

This is the most bizarre thing... Renee agreed with him about the Bi comments so does that warrant ejection too?

The producers couldn't make it anymore obvious that they pick and choose who to eject and who to give warning too. They obviously care more about public opinion of the show than other housemates safety.

[armand.kay]

SCREAMING not a national treasure getting ejected.

Not them saving his fee. They'll only have to pay him like 50k now lol.

Wow conspiracy confirmed? http://67.media.tumblr.com/b31246a7eb0f43c0cf2834ed88567494/tumblr_obeqq5c7aT1rmd8jko1_400.gif

[Cal.]

This is the most bizarre thing... Renee agreed with him about the Bi comments so does that warrant ejection too?

The producers couldn't make it anymore obvious that they pick and choose who to eject and who to give warning too. They obviously care more about public opinion of the show than other housemates safety.

He's probably made offensive comments since the bisexual thing whereas Renee hasn't.

[EspeonBB]

More random than Tila's? Emma's? Jeremy's?

Tbf with a lot of ejections they seem to come out of the blue, or from a Facebook post from 2012

Both Tila and Jeremy are crazy so their ejections weren't too shocking

Plus Biggins was the re-show fave to win and was generally loved by the public so it's surprising he got removed :joker:

[Cal.]

Anyway they must be rubbing their hands together. They've saved money no longer having to pay their most expensive housemate the full amount and they'll get loads of publicity for throwing the actual Christopher Biggins out of the actual Big Brother house.

[chuff me dizzy]

Both Tila and Jeremy are crazy so their ejections weren't too shocking

Plus Biggins was the re-show fave to win and was generally loved by the public so it's surprising he got removed :joker:

Still fav today

[Yaki da]

I can no longer follow the madness of this show. A gay guy got kicked out because he made comments that might offend who? Bisexuals?

The world has collectively lost its marbles.

[Epic.]

Wow. With Biggins gone I have no clue who could win now. M E S S.

[bots]

have to say, what he said must have been pretty bad given what BB have let others away with this year .... can't wait for the details :laugh:

[_Tom_]

:bored:

Spit in people's food? ✓
Act aggressively towards fellow housemates? ✓
Smash mirrors, break doors and fixtures? ✓
Say something in free speech that *might* cause offence? ✗

[y.winter]

What? Where is this coming from?

It must be serious if they removed him. Or they becoming PC with the LGBT audience.

[Jan S]

:shrug:

[hot2go]

Not surprised and not unhappy either

[Yaki da]

have to say, what he said must have been pretty bad given what BB have let others away with this year .... can't wait for the details :laugh:

Not really. You can get away with all of that. But you mustn't say anything that could be construed as "Hate Speech". You know, like bisexuals are just people who can't make up their minds. That sort of thing might offend someone.

It's funny how it's only things that might offend a particular Guardian reading worldview seem to matter to them though isn't it? The fact it's the biggest luvvie going who has offended them is hilarious to me.

[Ant.]

What? Where is this coming from?

It must be serious if they removed him. Or they becoming PC with the LGBT audience.

Winston McKenzie's impact?

[rusticgal]

Why is Marnie a favourite ffs....

Jason was never favourite to win even on the final day....this isn't by any means cut and dried..:shrug:

[Cal.]

What people are ejected for is normally far less serious than what it's hyped up to be.

[hot2go]

The backlash to his bi comment was gonna be a problem for the show....if he had explained himself a bit more it may not have blown up so big but he either didn't or we weren't shown it if he did.

[Cal.]

Why is Marnie a favourite ffs....

Jason was never favourite to win even on the final day....this isn't by any means cut and dried..:shrug:

Thing is with this series there's hardly anyone who could swoop in there and take the win from her. Most of them are characters that the public strongly dislike. Marnie has a huge fanbase behind her and I can't see any of the others managing to get such a big one behind them anytime soon.

I predict a Marnie/Lewis/James top 3 however - so if someone else was to win I reckon it'd be Lewis or James.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why is Marnie a favourite ffs....

Jason was never favourite to win even on the final day....this isn't by any means cut and dried..:shrug:

Sam has a massive chance of winning IMO ,and for some unbeknown reason Ricky is 2nd fav to win

[Pete.]

Not Biggins :o

[fitz2k2]

so wait a minute.what yr did big brother join channel 5?channel 4 didn't give a **** about racist 4

[Yaki da]

The backlash to his bi comment was gonna be a problem for the show....if he had explained himself a bit more it may not have blown up so big but he either didn't or we weren't shown it if he did.

What backlash? Nobody gave a **** outside of a few twats on twitter.

He's probably said something racist the more I think about it.

[hot2go]

Sam has a massive chance of winning IMO

Yeh she could ....popular in and out of the house

[Liam-]

If he's been removed for simply stating an opinion on something, then that's beyond ridiculous, it would be a different story if he's said something morally offensive to someone, time will tell, but in my view, opinions shouldn't get someone ejected, actions should.

[zakman440]

The Daily Star are reporting that it was a Nazi joke in a conversation with Katie:

CHRISTOPHER Biggins has been removed from the CBB house after just a week allegedly after making a joke about concentration camps.

Biggins made the insensitive joke in conversation with Jewish housemate Katie Waissel.

She was left in tears and the house was in shock.

In a statement released by Big Bro, it has been confirmed that Biggins was removed due to offensive comments.

"Big Brother has taken the decision to remove Christopher Biggins from the Celebrity Big Brother house," the statement read.

"Since entering Big Brother, he has made a number of comments capable of causing great offence to housemates and the viewing public."

"Big Brother does not tolerate offensive language capable of causing widespread offence. Christopher Biggins has left the house."

Biggins caused outrage when he commented that bisexual people were the "worst type of people".

In a conversation with Renee, they called on bisexual people to "pick a team".

Read more: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/535685/christopher-biggins-removed-celebrity-big-brother-house

[chuff me dizzy]

If he's been removed for simply stating an opinion on something, then that's beyond ridiculous, it would be a different story if he's said something morally offensive to someone, time will tell, but in my view, opinions shouldn't get someone ejected, actions should.

You can always offend someone with whatever you say ,you cannot please everyone all the time

[Cal.]

OMG that sounds awful.

Here for Katie's winners edit though :clap1:

[Headie]

Lmao @ him finishing last out of 15 when everyone thought he'd be first

[rusticgal]

I can no longer follow the madness of this show. A gay guy got kicked out because he made comments that might offend who? Bisexuals?

The world has collectively lost its marbles.


Well we don't know yet just exactly what he has said :shrug:...however it seems he has made 'several' remarks which haven't been aired.

[chuff me dizzy]

The Daily Star are reporting that it was a Nazi joke in a conversation with Katie:

But Aubrey can stay and she admired Hitler ?

[chuff me dizzy]

OMG that sounds awful.

Here for Katie's winners edit though :clap1:

Katie will win sod all

[Cal.]

But Aubrey can stay and she admired Hitler ?

She only said he was a clever man to be able to manipulate a country to perform the atrocities they did.

[Yaki da]

I bet that Katie milked it for everything it was worth.

[Semtex]

I did Nazi that coming!

Sent from my Q102 using Tapatalk

[Cal.]

I bet that Katie milked it for everything it was worth.

:umm2:

[Shaun]

What backlash? Nobody gave a **** outside of a few twats on twitter.

He's probably said something racist the more I think about it.

Pretty sure every bisexual person watching [myself included] found his comments ridiculous and offensive as well, am I just a twat too?

[EspeonBB]

We haven't even seen the footage yet people are already making judgements :joker:

[starry]

For me physical things like spitting in someone's food are worse than an opinion on something. If someone has a crackpot opinion it can always be challenged.

[chuff me dizzy]

I bet that Katie milked it for everything it was worth.

Only bit of action out of her ,she's so far stuck up the Americans arses she never sees daylight

[rusticgal]

Sam has a massive chance of winning IMO ,and for some unbeknown reason Ricky is 2nd fav to win


I'm backing Sam and James...:cheer2:

[chuff me dizzy]

For me physical things like spitting in someone's food are worse than an opinion on something. If someone has a crackpot opinion it can always be challenged.

100% agree

[callumbb]

Pffft aaargggh! Omg. :joker:

[Yaki da]

Pretty sure every bisexual person watching [myself included] found his comments ridiculous and offensive as well, am I just a twat too?

Anyone making a song and a dance about a comment as harmless as that is imo, yes.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm backing Sam and James...:cheer2:

Bit of extra holiday spends if either of those 2 wins !! :joker:

[joeysteele]

For me physical things like spitting in someone's food are worse than an opinion on something. If someone has a crackpot opinion it can always be challenged.

Very well said, I agree 100%

[starry]

They like early ejections these days anyway, like it's meant to add to the drama. They can feel feel staged even.

[bots]

Bit of extra holiday spends if either of those 2 wins !! :joker:

me too :dance:

[Cal.]

It was a joke about the Holocaust tho. Like making light of the deaths of millions of people is surely worse than spitting in someone's food (especially when Bear welcomed her spitting in his mouth like 24 hours later)? I guess in my opinion anyway.

[Yaki da]

Only bit of action out of her ,she's so far stuck up the Americans arses she never sees daylight

I was warming to her as a bit of a harmless moron. But combine idiocy with a hunger for fame and you always get dangerously manipulative people.

[bots]

It was a joke about the Holocaust tho. Like making light of the deaths of millions of people is surely worse than spitting in someone's food (especially when Bear welcomed her spitting in his mouth like 24 hours later)?

we don't actually know that yet, do we ... just some report in the daily crapper

[y.winter]

So people dislike him for the bisexuality comments but love the Nazi cow from CBB16.
Yes, people know to take offence only when it's relevant to them.

[achro]

Daily Star removed the Nazi stuff from their headline.

It now looks like this:

http://image.prntscr.com/image/205363ae2fa2437896c4858424393774.jpeg

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/535685/christopher-biggins-removed-celebrity-big-brother-house

[chuff me dizzy]

Daily Star removed the Nazi stuff from their headline.

It now looks like this:

http://image.prntscr.com/image/205363ae2fa2437896c4858424393774.jpeg

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/535685/christopher-biggins-removed-celebrity-big-brother-house

Will find out tomorrow night

[Shaun]

Anyone making a song and a dance about a comment as harmless as that is imo, yes.

"The worst ones, I'm afraid, are the bisexuals... you just have to pick a side" isn't remotely harmless, it's villainising us as being some indecisive little stain on the Gays when in fact we're more persecuted by them than by anyone else :shrug: And I'm sorry you're fine with his stupid outdated comments but for someone on BOTS so regularly and desperately as Biggins was you would think he'd have cottoned onto the idea that, perhaps, you just don't go on about a sexuality in a negative light.

[chuff me dizzy]

"The worst ones, I'm afraid, are the bisexuals... you just have to pick a side" isn't remotely harmless, it's villainising us as being some indecisive little stain on the Gays when in fact we're more persecuted by them than by anyone else :shrug: And I'm sorry you're fine with his stupid outdated comments but for someone on BOTS so regularly and desperately as Biggins was you would think he'd have cottoned onto the idea that, perhaps, you just don't go on about a sexuality in a negative light.

But its Biggins opinion,and he's entitled to it

[Liam-]

Yikes, seems like a joke in poor taste at the wrong time, with the wrong person, will have to wait and see what really happened.

[Cal.]

You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO. There shouldn't need to be an opinion there. It is what it is. It shouldn't have to be debated. Bisexuals are just biseuxals. We don't need people sticking their two cents in on that.

[Cal.]

(And that goes for Renee as well, I do love her in spite of it tho)

[Shaun]

I'm curious to see what the comment with Katie was, though. But it would make more sense (his ejection) to be fair, if he'd actually received an earlier warning for the bisexuals comment. We never saw one. And I'm not sure why.

[Yaki da]

You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO.

Why not?

[chuff me dizzy]

]You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO.[/B] There shouldn't need to be an opinion there. It is what it is. It shouldn't have to be debated. Bisexuals are just biseuxals. We don't need people sticking their two cents in on that.

Says who ? but you can have an opinion on everything else apart from sexuality ?

[Cal.]

Why not?

Because it's not something you need an opinion on. It is what it is. It's not something that needs debating.

[LukeB]

You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO. There shouldn't need to be an opinion there. It is what it is. It shouldn't have to be debated. Bisexuals are just biseuxals. We don't need people sticking their two cents in on that.

this really,

I mean everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not in an offensive/ignorant way, some are actually so offensive and people have the right to feel that way so people downplaying it making out people can't be offended by saying "everyone has to respect their opinion because everyone is entitled to it" needs to stop.

[Cal.]

Says who ? but you can have an opinion on everything else apart from sexuality ?

'things like sexuality'. Things that can't be helped and are natural and don't require a debate.

[chuff me dizzy]

Because it's not something you need an opinion on. It is what it is. It's not something that needs debating.

I have an opinion on EVERYTHING And i also debate what I choose to

[rusticgal]

For me physical things like spitting in someone's food are worse than an opinion on something. If someone has a crackpot opinion it can always be challenged.


It wasn't an opinion it seems...it was a crass insensitive joke...and from what I can gather it has been 1 of many. Biggins thinks he is above it all... I'm glad he has been caught out.
Spitting in someone's sandwich is disgusting....it's not enough to remove someone IMO...especially if the recipient isn't offended by it.

[T*]

Holy ****

[AProducer'sWetDream]

No, you're not persecuted.


:joker: Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person on the planet and know their lives inside out.

[Yaki da]

'things like sexuality'. Things that can't be helped and are natural and don't require a debate.

Can we have views on pederasty, paedophilia and necrophilia then?

How do you intend to stop people from having such views? Do you want the state to arrest people for having them?

[T*]

But its Biggins opinion,and he's entitled to it

Jesus ****ing Christ

[Yaki da]

:joker: Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person on the planet and know their lives inside out.

Irrelevant. There is no persecution of "bisexuals" anywhere in this country.

[Cal.]

Can we have views on pederasty, paedophilia and necrophilia then?

How do you intend to stop people from having such views? Do you want the state to arrest people for having them?

You can have views on the people who ACT on those type of things as they're not consensual and cause harm to people/animals. Not people who naturally feel that way as it's not their fault and choose not to act on their impulses.

[LukeB]

Jesus ****ing Christ

ikr, it;s like no one can't be offended by anything especially over something offensive.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Irrelevant. There is no persecution of "bisexuals" anywhere in this country.

:joker: Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person in this country and know their lives inside out.

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker: Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person in this country and know their lives inside out.

Do you ?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Do you ?

I only have to know one to know that persecution exists.

I do, and it does.

[Ashley.]

Just in time for tonight's twist reveal, ay?

[Patricia4]

I'm backing Sam and James...:cheer2:

My two also.

[T*]

'a bi person brushed past me once so I know everything about them :) '

[chuff me dizzy]

I only have to know one to know that persecution exists.

I do, and it does.

So ONE bi person you know has been persecuted and you're now their spokesperson ? and KNOW as a fact that every other bi person is treat the same :joker:

[Lstan]

Isnt this like tradition tho? Its not BB unless someone gets removed from the house in the first week.

[chuff me dizzy]

My two also.

You have impeccable taste Patricia !!

[Cal.]

http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Talking-to-Brick-Wall.jpg

[Yaki da]

You can have views on the people who ACT on those type of things as they're not consensual and cause harm to people/animals.

So if someone says he is sexually attracted to 8 year olds but doesn't act on it, I can't have an opinion on that?

And I'll ask again... If I do have an opinion on that that you don't like, do you think the state should be able to stop me?

[rusticgal]

You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO. There shouldn't need to be an opinion there. It is what it is. It shouldn't have to be debated. Bisexuals are just biseuxals. We don't need people sticking their two cents in on that.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion :shrug:....it's when and where and to whom you express those opinions.
You don't go to a funeral and start telling a bereaved wife that her husband was a bastard and had numerous affairs do you? There's a time and a place to express your opinions and housemates are warned not to offend race or creed etc...
We judge people on their opinions...and Biggins has ultimately ruined his reputation as the 'likeable funny man'.

[Samm]

People are entitled to there own opinions, but when it comes to insulting someones sexual orientation you're a bigot and that's that on that.

[y.winter]

It's sad knowing that the audience wouldn't be as bothered with evicting someone after Jewish comments, so BB has to do it. Once it's an homophobic comment everyone loses their mind.

[Braden]

From King of the Jungle to CBB ejectee.

[rusticgal]

From King of the Jungle to CBB ejectee.

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[fitz2k2]

so making Nazi joke gets you booted ,but being in someone face or saying a racist word doesn't get you booted either.half the time I belive big brother makes up rules on the fly

[hot2go]

What backlash? Nobody gave a **** outside of a few twats on twitter.

He's probably said something racist the more I think about it.

Well there's about 17 pages of back lash on here so unless people on here are unique I imagine it was the same on other social media ...I was in a minority who didn't like him when he went in, he was liked by a lot of people so he must have said more than we've seen

[Amy Jade]

I'm glad, if he's made remarks that are deemed offensI've more than once he deserves to go.

It opens up the win too

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unless some convincing scientific evidence has been discovered about sexualty then its not the bi comment

[Shaun]

Loving that scientific evidence for the existence of bisexuality (such as the scientific evidence of the existence of homosexuality...) is required by some on here. Apparently my own word is no longer valid. Lol.

[Jason.]

Just came on TiBB and saw this omfg. I'm shocked, he's the last person I thought would be ejected :o

I've always thought he was a genuinely nasty man ever since the Jungle so this happening will show everyone he's not as nice as he seems.

[MrAlexFletcher]

Reality Spy ‏@realityspy 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING NEWS: Biggins has been removed from the Big Brother House. Statement to follow... #CBB

Gutted. However with this, Frankie and Marnie's chances have gone right up!

[Vanessa]

I was expecting Bear to be removed, never Biggings :shocked:

[iRyan]

He's been putting on an act since Day 1, it was only a matter of time before his true colors revealed themselves.

[hot2go]

Unless some convincing scientific evidence has been discovered about sexualty then its not the bi comment

I think so too.....it has to be more .....wrong as I think Biggins is he has the right to say he doesn't believe in anything he wants....don't have to like him or agree but his opinion his his alone....I don't believe in God and there's no scientific proof he exists either...doesn't mean I'm right but ita my opinion and my right. He must have said something more that we've yet to find out about....it could be anything knowing him, he's not the sweet old man people think he is.

[jennyjuniper]

It's beyond a joke now. I don't know what the comments were that Biggins is supposed to have made and I don't yet know if I would be offended by them, but I'm already offended by that t..t Bear and he's still there??
I've had it with this series.

[Garfie]

But its Biggins opinion,and he's entitled to it

Biggins is entitled to his opinion, but if it is offensive he should not be expressing it in public- just as you are entitled to your opinion, but shouldn't be expressing it in public, particularly when the person you are responding to has clearly stated it is causing offence. Perhaps you could have some consideration and respect?

[Gusto Brunt]

Emmas wasn't happy with Biggins. :mad:

So if she's upset her...wow....

[bananarama]

Biggins is entitled to his opinion, but if it is offensive he should not be expressing it in public- just as you are entitled to your opinion, but shouldn't be expressing it in public, particularly when the person you are responding to has clearly stated it is causing offence. Perhaps you could have some consideration and respect?

In a genuine free speech and free expression country you should be free to express a personal opinion regardless of if it is private or in public and regardless to any offence it may cause to others.

You can not go through life censoring oneself on the off chance that someone somewhere might take offence.

We have lost a valuable right in this country because we pander to babies who do not have the personalities to be adult and take words on the chin in a grown up way.

Just remember censorship is far more sinister than percieved offensive comments.

[Cherie]

They like early ejections these days anyway, like it's meant to add to the drama. They can feel feel staged even.

Yip wouldn't surprise me if this was planned, Biggins is clever, would he want to be in there until Sept. I was surprised at the bisexual comments and now this, it could be staged

[y.winter]

Yip wouldn't surprise me if this was planned, Biggins is clever, would he want to be in there until Sept. I was surprised at the bisexual comments and now this, it could be staged

That's a weird way of leaving the show. jeopardizing his public image.

[mr rochester]

This might adversely affect his career...

If it was the bisexual comments why have they left him in so long afterwards?

Does this mean in 2 weeks time Bear will be sent home for smashing a mirror?

Not a good look...

[Clootie Dumpling]

The way the announcement was worded suggests the 'offensive' comments could have happened at any time since he entered the House.

If it's about his Bi views, I'll be furious. He's entitled to those opinions - how many times have HMs old and new made ageist comments, which are seen as banter?

If it is about the Bi thing, and if it were that offensive, BB should have taken action at the time, not waited until a few people started wingeing about it!

[Shaun]

If it is about the Bi thing, and if it were that offensive, BB should have taken action at the time, not waited until a few people started wingeing about it!

Agreed

[lovebigbrotheruk]

In a genuine free speech and free expression country you should be free to express a personal opinion regardless of if it is private or in public and regardless to any offence it may cause to others.

You can not go through life censoring oneself on the off chance that someone somewhere might take offence.

We have lost a valuable right in this country because we pander to babies who do not have the personalities to be adult and take words on the chin in a grown up way.

Just remember censorship is far more sinister than percieved offensive comments.

Free speech does not mean hate speech. Likewise, you can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre.

People really need to stop using something so sacred as free speech as a tool in their bigoted propaganda. Go to a country like China where free speech is truly prohibited and you'll see a stark difference.

[Lstan]

Free speech does not mean hate speech. Likewise, you can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre.

People really need to stop using something so sacred as free speech as a tool in their bigoted propaganda. Go to a country like China where free speech is truly prohibited and you'll see a stark difference.

:clap1:

Exactly!

[Garfie]

In a genuine free speech and free expression country you should be free to express a personal opinion regardless of if it is private or in public and regardless to any offence it may cause to others.

You can not go through life censoring oneself on the off chance that someone somewhere might take offence.

We have lost a valuable right in this country because we pander to babies who do not have the personalities to be adult and take words on the chin in a grown up way.

Just remember censorship is far more sinister than percieved offensive comments.

I understand what you are saying, and in principle I agree. However, imo freedom of speech has to be balanced with consideration and common decency towards others.

There are ways and means to express things, and on here several forum members have attacked and insulted another member, who had clearly said they were finding it offensive. This attack was sustained and relentless, and totally unnecessary. It was uncomfortable to witness, and I am not prepared to stand by and watch that happen without saying something.

Finding something offensive is not about being a 'baby' or somehow less than an adult. However, a lack of decent social skills does either suggest a lack of maturity, or a selfish and unpleasant disregard for others.

[halfacrown]

The mania for being a victim and giving other human beings titles like 'Bigot', 'Misogynist' etc - which reduce the accused to the status of non-person - has now entered the BB house. As it happens I don't agree with Biggins' comments about bi people., but I'm old enough to understand that he grew up in a world where the visibility of gay people was negligible . If gay people were mentioned at all, it was seen as a medical or criminal condition. The whole gay movement has been built on visibility and the strength to come out of the closet. It was a physical battle, literally a daily battle against the risk of black eyes , broken ribs or worse: much worse. Biggins comes from the time where many gay people pretended to be bi as it was seen as more 'acceptable' and straight people often believed that bi people would simply straighten themselves out. Thirty years or more ago the LGBT battle lines were drawn and people were upfront and blunt: they simply did not have a fear of names or opinions. The world has gone mad, with adults no longer able to cope with different opinions or words, or stand up to fight and win an argument. Any bi people, offended or not, should bow down to the Biggins of this world. Without their struggle, they would simply not be able to go about their business or enjoy the state of being constantly offended.
As for causing offence, was it not a couple of weeks ago that Chanel 5 showed a man sucking on a woman's nipple and the same women appearing to get fingered under the bed sheets? It didn't offend me but I'm sure plenty of people would be offended by it. The right to offend is absolutely crucial to the principal of Free Speech.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

The mania for being a victim and giving other human beings titles like 'Bigot', 'Misogynist' etc - which reduce the accused to the status of non-person - has now entered the BB house. As it happens I don't agree with Biggins' comments about bi people., but I'm old enough to understand that he grew up in a world where the visibility of gay people was negligible . If gay people were mentioned at all, it was seen as a medical or criminal condition. The whole gay movement has been built on visibility and the strength to come out of the closet. It was a physical battle, literally a daily battle against the risk of black eyes , broken ribs or worse: much worse. Biggins comes from the time where many gay people pretended to be bi as it was seen as more 'acceptable' and straight people often believed that bi people would simply straighten themselves out. Thirty years or more ago the LGBT battle lines were drawn and people were upfront and blunt: they simply did not have a fear of names or opinions. The world has gone mad, with adults no longer able to cope with different opinions or words, or stand up to fight and win an argument. Any bi people, offended or not, should bow down to the Biggins of this world. Without their struggle, they would simply not be able to go about their business or enjoy the state of being constantly offended.
As for causing offence, was it not a couple of weeks ago that Chanel 5 showed a man sucking on a woman's nipple and the same women appearing to get fingered under the bed sheets? It didn't offend me but I'm sure plenty of people would be offended by it. The right to offend is absolutely crucial to the principal of Free Speech.

Oh please, I am very well versed on civil rights pioneers, particularly in the gay rights movement. Equating Biggins ignorant comment with such people really is extremely disrespectful.

Age is nothing but a number. I don't care if you're 10 or 100. There's no excuse to be ignorant on such things when there is information on the topic right at your feet.

[user104658]

Called it as soon as I saw the guy on launch night tbh.

Also highly amusing to see people banging on about the right to free speech as ever :joker:. He's not being arrested... Big Brother is a television show run by a privately owned television company, who can do whatever they think will best protect their viewership numbers and revenue. Full stop. It is not a public forum... they can remove whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. It's like when people try to apply the principles of free speech to a forum like TiBB and start bawling when those rights are "infringed". NOPE. Forum is PRIVATELY OWNED and the owners can KICK YOUR ARSE OFF OF IT ON A WHIM. For literally any reason. For no reason at all, in fact. Just like you can ask someone to leave your house if you don't want them there. It has absolutely jack **** to do with the right to free speech.

[Cherie]

That's a weird way of leaving the show. jeopardizing his public image.


Depends what he said and how it's handled when he comes out, he is nearly 70 a big pay out would suit him, there is no bonus for winning

[Rob!]

Biggins exposed as Winston 2.0?

[halfacrown]

Oh please, I am very well versed on civil rights pioneers, particularly in the gay rights movement. Equating Biggins ignorant comment with such people really is extremely disrespectful.

Age is nothing but a number. I don't care if you're 10 or 100. There's no excuse to be ignorant on such things when there is information on the topic right at your feet.

Yes age is irrelevant, but experience is not. Perhaps you think that the civil rights pioneers of the gay movement would be appalled by what Biggins said, they wouldn't, they were fighting so many worse, frightening, dangerous situations every day of their lives. I think it is ignorant to reject his efforts in the fight for gay rights.

[Rob!]

A mess at Biggins getting removed over what else has been happening though, what the **** even is this mess of a series

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Yes age is irrelevant, but experience is not. Perhaps you think that the civil rights pioneers of the gay movement would be appalled by what Biggins said, they wouldn't, they were fighting so many worse, frightening, dangerous situations every day of their lives. I think it is ignorant to reject his efforts in the fight for gay rights.

This is just hypothetical. Have you any evidence that they wouldn't be appalled or...? My guess is no since most of them aren't alive anymore.

[halfacrown]

This is just hypothetical. Have you any evidence that they wouldn't be appalled or...? My guess is no since most of them aren't alive anymore.

Not hypothetical at all! I am one of them myself. Yeah, I've had the black eyes, the broken ribs.. literally helped to fight against a crowd of Nazi-supporting skinheads trying to force their way into a gay pub. Queer bashing was rife in schools and on the street. I was born into a world where being actively gay was literally against the law. When you've lived in that world, it is not possible to be worked up about opinions like Biggins'. I disagree with him, but I respect him greatly.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Not hypothetical at all! I am one of them myself. Yeah, I've had the black eyes, the broken ribs.. literally helped to fight against a crowd of Nazi-supporting skinheads trying to force their way into a gay pub. Queer bashing was rife in schools and on the street. I was born into a world where being actively gay was literally against the law. When you've lived in that world, it is not possible to be worked up about opinions like Biggins. I disagree with him, but I respect him greatly.

I have no respect for a man who speaks of his own community with such disdain. I prefer men of principle.

[Jan S]

Not hypothetical at all! I am one of them myself. Yeah, I've had the black eyes, the broken ribs.. literally helped to fight against a crowd of Nazi-supporting skinheads trying to force their way into a gay pub. Queer bashing was rife in schools and on the street. I was born into a world where being actively gay was literally against the law. When you've lived in that world, it is not possible to be worked up about opinions like Biggins. I disagree with him, but I respect him greatly.

i don't respect biggins, but i certainly respect your post and shared attitude with hot2go on this topic :flowers:

[Clootie Dumpling]

Not hypothetical at all! I am one of them myself. Yeah, I've had the black eyes, the broken ribs.. literally helped to fight against a crowd of Nazi-supporting skinheads trying to force their way into a gay pub. Queer bashing was rife in schools and on the street. I was born into a world where being actively gay was literally against the law. When you've lived in that world, it is not possible to be worked up about opinions like Biggins. I disagree with him, but I respect him greatly.

Well said, Half-a-Crown. I'm not sure that the previous poster is aware that they've just made an ageist comment, suggesting that those involved in the struggle you describe are probably all dead anyway!

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Well said, Half-a-Crown. I'm not sure that the previous poster is aware that they've just made an ageist comment, suggesting that those involved in the struggle you describe are probably all dead anyway!

Excuse me, I'm talking about people like Antony Grey, Bob Mellors, and Ray Gosling, all of who have now passed away and whose views totally contradict those the OP made. Check yourself and educate yourself.

As for those pioneers who are alive, I have never heard any of them express similar views to those Biggins made. Just sayin'.

[halfacrown]

I have no respect for a man who speaks of his own community with such disdain. I prefer men of principle.

Your lack of respect is coming through loud and clear. It seems pretty clear that he was complaining about gay people who've pretended to be bi so as to be more easily accepted. Before you dismiss this out of I hand, I was one of many myself who did it! It was a pretence for expediency. Perhaps it is Biggins who is principled for rejecting the lie.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Your lack of respect is coming through loud and clear. It seems pretty clear that he was complaining about gay people who've pretended to be bi so as to be more easily accepted. Before you dismiss this out of I hand, I was one of many myself who did it! It was a pretence for expediency. Perhaps it is Biggins who is principled for rejecting the lie.

It is Biggins who is a big fat hypocrite for expecting respect for himself as a gay man, yet branding all bisexuals with the same brush with his unsubstantiated ignorance.

[starry]

Yes, people know to take offence only when it's relevant to them.

Alot of people say offensive things and have bigoted opinions, and you see that on forums at times of course. But some people are apparently considered fair game, which is strange.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Excuse me, I'm talking about people like Antony Grey, Bob Mellors, and Ray Gosling, all of who have now passed away and whose views totally contradict those the OP made. Check yourself and educate yourself.

As for those pioneers who are alive, I have never heard any of them express similar views to those Biggins made. Just sayin'.

Please, don't make assumptions about the extent of my knowledge in this, or any other area. If you don't want your opinions to be misconstrued, perhaps you should consider expressing them more clearly.

[halfacrown]

It is Biggins who is a big fat hypocrite for expecting respect for himself as a gay man, yet branding all bisexuals with the same brush with his unsubstantiated ignorance.

Now you're not making sense, and you're mixing metaphors... I don't see that he's demanded anything. I've just said that I don't think he was talking about bisexuals at all, he was talking about gay people pretending to be bi in order to gain acceptance. It's a genuine phenomenon. As I said: I did it myself.

[starry]

Free speech does not mean hate speech.

There's hate speech on forums and tabloids and fed by TV programs all the time. CH5 have programs to encourage hatred of some groups. I just don't like hyprocrisy which is what you tend to get.

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Now you're not making sense, and you're mixing metaphors... I don't see that he's demanded anything. I've just said that I don't think he was talking about bisexuals at all, he was talking about gay people pretending to be bi in order to gain acceptance. It's a genuine phenomenon. As I said: I did it myself.

Maybe he should have made that more clear, but since you're not him nor his spokesperson, you can't claim he meant anything other than what he said. Like I said, he branded all bisexuals with the same brush. Unnacceptable.

[erinp5]

read this on DS no clue if it's true or a wind up

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2171093

[halfacrown]

i don't respect biggins, but i certainly respect your post and shared attitude with hot2go on this topic :flowers:

Thanks. So much has changed for the better for LGBT people, yet I find the fear of words and the rush to condemn people out of hand, extraordinary. I was chatting to a fairly young person recently about the gay scene of the early 80s and described a friend of mine as a 'butch dyke' and the person I was speaking to got very worked up about the description, until I explained that my friend had it tattooed on her arm!

[y.winter]

read this on DS no clue if it's true or a wind up

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2171093

If it's true or even if someone actually sat and made it up - it's just so wrong in so many levels :omgno:

[Maru]

read this on DS no clue if it's true or a wind up

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2171093

Holy ****, if that is true, then... wow

[Mystic Mock]

If that transcript is true from DS then no wonder his been thrown out.

At first I heard that he'd just made a Family Guy type of joke about the Nazis, but after reading the whole thing I think that it was the right decision for him to leave if it's true.

[Ant.]

The 2nd year running that a housemate has been ejected due to nazis

Hitler's impact? :clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

The 2nd year running that a housemate has been ejected due to nazis

Hitler's impact? :clap1:

Hitler's contributed more to this series than Ricky and Katie.:joker:

[halfacrown]

Maybe he should have made that more clear, but since you're not him nor his spokesperson, you can't claim he meant anything other than what he said. Like I said, he branded all bisexuals with the same brush. Unnacceptable.

Okay, let's clear this up: you don't brand people with a brush, you brand with an iron. It's slightly ridiculous to demand clarity from people when you're talking about branding with brushes!

Another thing, my understanding of his comments comes directly from what he said, and I quote: "what it is is people not wanting to admit they are gay."

What is it that has actually upset you about his comments?

I disagree with condemning gay people for pretending to be bi (because coming out can be bloody difficult), but I don't disagree with his point that some people don't want to admit they're gay.

[Rob!]

And you all compare me to him :nono:

[Ant.]

Hitler's contributed more to this series than Ricky and Katie.:joker:

Hnnng I stan Katie but sadly it's true

[Rob!]

The 2nd year running that a housemate has been ejected due to nazis

Hitler's impact? :clap1:

Hitler's contributed more to this series than Ricky and Katie.:joker:

http://i3.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8400437.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/barrymore.jpg

[Ant.]

http://i3.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8400437.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/barrymore.jpg

Good ol' michael barrymore

[Mystic Mock]

And you all compare me to him :nono:

Well in your year you did an impression of him.:hehe:

[Amy Jade]

That's shocking if that's correct :omgno:

[Greg!]

Omg that transcript :worry: he's literally a racist **** if that's true

[bots]

if that transcript is true, its like the views of people 100-200 years ago

[Rob!]

That's a pretty in depth made up transcript

[LukeB]

Biggins :umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

That's shocking if that's correct :omgno:

That Rob is Michael Barrymore?

[zakman440]

I very much doubt that DS transcript is real. I mean, how would a DS member get hold of such a transcript? It's best to wait until the show's aired tomorrow or until Channel 5 comment further.

[Drew.]

Either Biggins can say goodbye to his career or someone has one very ****ed up and creative mind to make all of that up

[jet]

read this on DS no clue if it's true or a wind up

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2171093

A wind up, surely? :shocked:

[LukeB]

Either Biggins can say goodbye to his career or someone has one very ****ed up and creative mind to make all of that up

He only does panto now doesn't he?

[Drew.]

He only does panto now doesn't he?

I don't actually have a clue what he does lol, RIP his panto career then

[ThriceShy]

It's funny because I predicted Biggins' downfall before the series began. I said to the other half that BB is not like the jungle and he is likely to expose himself as a nasty piece of work.

I expected a Natalie Cassidy type downfall but this is just beyond spectacular.

If that transcript is accurate then he will never appear on TV again.

[bots]

A wind up, surely? :shocked:

if its a wind up, its a very elaborate one.

[ThriceShy]

I am pretty certain the transcript is real.

The poster on DS who posted it is well known as an insider and has posted truthful insider info before over a period of 7 years.

[Jack_]

I'd heard rumours of anti-Semitic jokes (I've been following the Olympics not BB) and was preparing to defend him on the basis that comedy should have no bounds but ****ing hell, if that transcript is real there's no justification whatsoever :umm2: I mean where would you begin?

[ThriceShy]

I wonder if he was trying to be ironic.

Surely a man that intelligent wouldn't sit in front of 27 television cameras and say that stuff.

[jet]

if its a wind up, its a very elaborate one.


He is well known around BB circles, BOTS etc, so if he talks like this then they surely must have known about it. He's hardly likely to keep those sort of views under wraps all these years until he enters the house and then unleash them in public. Very odd.
Has he taken leave of his senses or what? :shocked: I doubt it's true.

[bots]

I'd heard rumours of anti-Semitic jokes (I've been following the Olympics not BB) and was preparing to defend him on the basis that comedy should have no bounds but ****ing hell, if that transcript is real there's no justification whatsoever :umm2: I mean where would you begin?

One would like to think its a fake transcript and I hope it is, but its very elaborate if its a fake.

[jet]

Bear certainly got a good part, enjoying and encouraging Biggins in all he said. :smug:

[bots]

Bear certainly got a good part, enjoying and encouraging Biggins in all he said. :smug:

with every word uttered, Bear could see his chances of winning increasing ....

Its going to make it an interesting run up to the h/l show ... is it real or is it fake :laugh:

[erinp5]

confirmed here
https://twitter.com/ALLTHINGSMEDIA_/status/761717764553895938

[Gusto Brunt]

Biggins said he was there for the money and that was it.

He knew he'd be breaking the rules with controversial comments, so he made controversial comments. He wanted an early exit. It was deliberate.

It's not rocket science. ;)

[jennyjuniper]

"The worst ones, I'm afraid, are the bisexuals... you just have to pick a side" isn't remotely harmless, it's villainising us as being some indecisive little stain on the Gays when in fact we're more persecuted by them than by anyone else :shrug: And I'm sorry you're fine with his stupid outdated comments but for someone on BOTS so regularly and desperately as Biggins was you would think he'd have cottoned onto the idea that, perhaps, you just don't go on about a sexuality in a negative light.

That's the trouble with Britain today. People creep about being apologetic for every opinion they might have. If you are determined to believe you are being 'persecuted' for being bi-sexual, then that's your affair.
The real victims of this kind of political correctness gone mad are the children who are raped and abused by Asian gangs in places like Rotherham, who were allowed to continue because people were afraid to be labelled racist.
Biggins and Renees remarks may have been ill informed or not, but the right to have such opinions IS their right.

[jennyjuniper]

You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO. There shouldn't need to be an opinion there. It is what it is. It shouldn't have to be debated. Bisexuals are just biseuxals. We don't need people sticking their two cents in on that.

Oh dear, this is sounding more and more like the Big Brother of George Orwell's 1984. Not entitled to have an opinion on sexuality? Everyone everywhere is entitled to have an opinion on anything.

[jennyjuniper]

Because it's not something you need an opinion on. It is what it is. It's not something that needs debating.

That's just YOUR opinion.

[jennyjuniper]

In a genuine free speech and free expression country you should be free to express a personal opinion regardless of if it is private or in public and regardless to any offence it may cause to others.

You can not go through life censoring oneself on the off chance that someone somewhere might take offence.

We have lost a valuable right in this country because we pander to babies who do not have the personalities to be adult and take words on the chin in a grown up way.

Just remember censorship is far more sinister than percieved offensive comments.

This:clap1::clap1:

[Ammi]

In a genuine free speech and free expression country you should be free to express a personal opinion regardless of if it is private or in public and regardless to any offence it may cause to others.

You can not go through life censoring oneself on the off chance that someone somewhere might take offence.

We have lost a valuable right in this country because we pander to babies who do not have the personalities to be adult and take words on the chin in a grown up way.

Just remember censorship is far more sinister than percieved offensive comments.


..he wasn't censored though..(if the transcripts are truth and will be shown..)..he was allowed his free speech and he exercised his free speech and he takes responsibility for his free speech as we all do for all of our freedoms to act or to speak etc..but that's as far as his control and his freedoms go though because now others will equally take their freedoms and make decisions about his career, about thoughts toward him and etc etc...

[jennyjuniper]

with every word uttered, Bear could see his chances of winning increasing ....

Its going to make it an interesting run up to the h/l show ... is it real or is it fake :laugh:

I don't think Bear is intelligent enough to connect the dots. He was just hyped and encouraging Biggins because he could see a row brewing.

[wendywillow]

the transcript seems over the top, especially with all bears "bruvs!" but they need to show it though whatever happened

[Cherie]

The transcript :umm2:

If true Biggins will be the back end of the panto horse going forward

[Yaki da]

..he wasn't censored though..(if the transcripts are truth and will be shown..)..he was allowed his free speech and he exercised his free speech and he takes responsibility for his free speech as we all do for all of our freedoms to act or to speak etc..but that's as far as his control and his freedoms go though because now others will equally take their freedoms and make decisions about his career, about thoughts toward him and etc etc...

He was in a sense. The production team can do what they want, of course (it's their show), but the message is clear... If you say anything that offends the sensibilities of the liberal progressive multiculturalists your career is over. If you say things that offend conservative minded Christians who think Britain has transformed into something they never fought for (and many such people did fight for it) then you are fully embraced, celebrated and promoted.

It's the not the state that goes after people who say the "wrong" thing (though they increasingly will in some instances). It's the pressure the surrounding culture puts on others to refuse employment to people or to just engage in media witch hunts.

Look at what happened to James D. Watson. A Nobel Prize winner. These are some of things he said...

Watson did not say in his memoir that race was a factor in his hypothesis of divergence of intellect between geographically isolated populations. The following is a transcript of that part of the interview: 'He says that he is “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”, and I know that this “hot potato” is going to be difficult to address. His hope is that everyone is equal, but he counters that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”. He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”'.[95]

[Ammi]

He was in a sense. The production team can do what they want, of course (it's their show), but the message is clear... If you say anything that offends the sensibilities of the liberal progressive multiculturalists your career is over. If you say things that offend conservative minded Christians who think Britain has transformed into something they never fought for (and many such people did fight for it) then you are fully embraced, celebrated and promoted.

It's the not the state that goes after people who say the "wrong" thing (though they increasingly will in some instances). It's the pressure the surrounding culture puts on others to refuse employment to people or to just engage in media witch hunts.

Look at what happened to James D. Watson. A Nobel Prize winner. These are some of things he said...



..it's not really about media witch hunts, any decisions that are made in terms of his employment etc are made with the biggest consideration of money/income and whether employing him would be a bad move because of reduced income and viewers 'switching off or switching over' for the very reasons that freedom is there to do that as well...

[joeysteele]

Who'd have thought that Biggins,with the few others in there who are more aggressive and volatile,that he would be the one thrown out first.

If we get to see the full reason he was evicted by BB and the full wording and it is as insinuated, then what an idiot he has been honestly.

He has sat on bbbots loads of times criticising others for what they say and do in a series and now this.

Being thrown out too, jeopardises his fee as well,e may not get any of it or certainly most of it.
What a waste of time him ever going in.

Wonderful Biggins,obviously not.
(just seen Thrice shy predicted he may end up going out like this, so one person did).

[Yaki da]

..it's not really about media witch hunts, any decisions that are made in terms of his employment etc are made with the biggest consideration of money/income and whether employing him would be a bad move because of reduced income and viewers 'switching off or switching over' for the very reasons that freedom is there to do that as well...

If you put him on a television show right now, viewing figures would go up. They won't put him on television though, because he has said something that offends a particular worldview. Compare that to, for example, someone like Miley Cyrus whose entire career is about offending a different worldview and the prominence she has gained by doing such things even though she probably does cause people to switch off.

The reason employing him would be a bad move is because there would be a witch hunt against any company that did it. This is how censorship works in societies that can't use the power of the state for such things. Yet. An example of this is the witch hunt that followed after it was revealed that Mozilla Chief Executive Brendan Eich had donated to campaigns opposing same sex marriage.

[Nicky91]

Biggins is removed, and the vile bullies like Marnie and Lewis stay in the house, that is what i call injustice :( :bawling:

[Ammi]

..well I'm really glad that he's said what he has and showed the full extent of his thoughts/prejudices/bigotries' etc..it's always good to know these things in people and with celebrities, so that we can decide whether we want to contribute to their incomes ..

[camertone]

..well I'm really glad that he's said what he has and showed the full extent of his thoughts/prejudices/bigotries' etc..it's always good to know these things in people and with celebrities, so that we can decide whether we want to contribute to their incomes ..

tru dat..

[Gusto Brunt]

Biggins is removed, and the vile bullies like Marnie and Lewis stay in the house, that is what i call injustice :( :bawling:

A lot of people say she is going to win. But I fail to see why she should win.:shrug:

[Xanzia]

Can he now be removed from television?

[arista]

Can he now be removed from television?


Yes At Last.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/05/19/36DF7A1D00000578-3725947-image-a-29_1470422098420.jpg

[Jake.]

an odd one, but I'm gonna wait and see what he was ejected for before I judge. he's a favourite of the production team so I don't think they would have wanted to chuck him out

[Robodog]

That's the problem, without the knowing the truth we cannot comment, only judge from rumours.

Very frustrating.

[johne]

Pretty sure every bisexual person watching [myself included] found his comments ridiculous and offensive as well, am I just a twat too?

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are. I agree his comment was ridiculous, but Biggins is simply an un-PC luvvie with some old fashioned mistaken ideas. Why on earth should anyone be offended. Feel sorry for him, cross him off your Christmas card list or whatever, but are you so precious that you need to take offence, and does our society have to keep drifting in the direction of oppressive punishment for the smallest of thought crimes? If you aren't impressed by this argument, be aware that in 40 or 50 years time some of your beliefs today might have become a thought crime too. In the absence of freedom of speech, the shoe might be on the other foot then.

If I can also add, this episode confirms what I've always thought. If you are seen as a "goodie" on the outside, even worse if you are a national treasure as Biggins was, you should never go on CBB. Everyone eventually cracks on BB and if you are seen as a nice person initially the only way is down once you've said something wrong, and the merciless vengeful pack will descend on you and destroy you. On the other hand, if you go in as a "baddie", the slightest display of a better side will be lauded. It will be said you've been on a "journey", and you will be loved. I have every expectation, with the proviso they are clever enough to see this, that Bear and Marni will try and follow this path.

[user104658]

am I just a twat too?

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are.



:joker::joker::joker:

[hot2go]

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are. I agree his comment was ridiculous, but Biggins is simply an un-PC luvvie with some old fashioned mistaken ideas. Why on earth should anyone be offended. Feel sorry for him, cross him off your Christmas card list or whatever, but are you so precious that you need to take offence, and does our society have to keep drifting in the direction of oppressive punishment for the smallest of thought crimes? If you aren't impressed by this argument, be aware that in 40 or 50 years time some of your beliefs today might have become a thought crime too. In the absence of freedom of speech, the shoe might be on the other foot then.

If I can also add, this episode confirms what I've always thought. If you are seen as a "goodie" on the outside, even worse if you are a national treasure as Biggins was, you should never go on CBB. Everyone eventually cracks on BB and if you are seen as a nice person initially the only way is down once you've said something wrong, and the merciless vengeful pack will descend on you and destroy you. On the other hand, if you go in as a "baddie", the slightest display of a better side will be lauded. It will be said you've been on a "journey", and you will be loved. I have every expectation, with the proviso they are clever enough to see this, that Bear and Marni will try and follow this path.

I see it exactly like you do too, why would people care what a silly old queen like Biggins thinks...and why hadn't they already worked it our for themselves anyway. It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like. I would hate to be someone he approves of so I'm actually quite jealous of the bi guys now :laugh::laugh: The gay community love to pounce and they are meaner with each other than they are with anyone else. Biggins gossip value on the gay scene is more valuable than any moral injustice people claim to feel.

[Braden]

I've been away and last night was my first highlight show I've watched since launch night. I can't comment that much on the bisexual comments, but from what I've read I think people have the right to be offended by what he said. idk why people think it's necessary to put his ignorance on the people who have been vocal about his derogatory comment.

I'm going to have to wait and see what I make of the situation of him being ejected.

[johne]

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are.

Thanks for pointing this out, Toy Soldier. I wouldn't accuse anyone directly of being a tw*t on a message board, I was just answering his/her question, but I apologise anyway for this reply, as I said, it's not what I would have said if that question hadn't been posed.

[halfacrown]

I see it exactly like you do too, why would people care what a silly old queen like Biggins thinks...and why hadn't they already worked it our for themselves anyway. It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like. I would hate to be someone he approves of so I'm actually quite jealous of the bi guys now :laugh::laugh: The gay community love to pounce and they are meaner with each other than they are with anyone else. Biggins gossip value on the gay scene is more valuable than any moral injustice people claim to feel.

The point being made is that Biggins is another victim of PC sensibilities. You say you agree and then condemn him ("It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like.") and then have a swipe at the gay community. Are gay people really 'meaner' than anyone else?

[Garfie]

The mania for being a victim and giving other human beings titles like 'Bigot', 'Misogynist' etc - which reduce the accused to the status of non-person - has now entered the BB house. As it happens I don't agree with Biggins' comments about bi people., but I'm old enough to understand that he grew up in a world where the visibility of gay people was negligible . If gay people were mentioned at all, it was seen as a medical or criminal condition. The whole gay movement has been built on visibility and the strength to come out of the closet. It was a physical battle, literally a daily battle against the risk of black eyes , broken ribs or worse: much worse. Biggins comes from the time where many gay people pretended to be bi as it was seen as more 'acceptable' and straight people often believed that bi people would simply straighten themselves out. Thirty years or more ago the LGBT battle lines were drawn and people were upfront and blunt: they simply did not have a fear of names or opinions. The world has gone mad, with adults no longer able to cope with different opinions or words, or stand up to fight and win an argument. Any bi people, offended or not, should bow down to the Biggins of this world. Without their struggle, they would simply not be able to go about their business or enjoy the state of being constantly offended.
As for causing offence, was it not a couple of weeks ago that Chanel 5 showed a man sucking on a woman's nipple and the same women appearing to get fingered under the bed sheets? It didn't offend me but I'm sure plenty of people would be offended by it. The right to offend is absolutely crucial to the principal of Free Speech.

Thank you for this. This puts Biggins comments very clearly in context, and highlights the reason for generational differences. Although Biggins did cause offence to some, your post outlines the probable reasons behind this, as well as encouraging people to reconsider his intentions. If offence is not meant, it is easier to dismiss a comment, and I am sure Biggins would willingly apologise if he was told that he has caused offence.

What I find intolerable is when certain people on here group together to take part in an offensive and insulting onslaught of abuse directed at another forum member, and even worse, to continue to do so even after they have been clearly told they are causing offence.

You have stated the other side of the debate in a civil and informative way, which enables people to look at another side of the debate.

[hot2go]

The point being made is that Biggins is another victim of PC sensibilities. You say you agree and then condemn him ("It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like.") and then have a swipe at the gay community. Are gay people really 'meaner' than anyone else?

I don't think Biggins is a victim and I don't like him either....I just don't care what his views are any more than I care what Donald Trumps views are....I think I can work out why he's the way he is but he's not relevant enough for it to upset me.
The gay community will enjoy the gossip far more than they will dislike the comment. And they will shut him out in an instant if his face no longer fits. In my experience the rivalry between gay guys and their gay friends is far greater than the rivalry between gay guys and their straight friends....if he thinks the gay community will have his back he is mistaken.

[hot2go]

The mania for being a victim and giving other human beings titles like 'Bigot', 'Misogynist' etc - which reduce the accused to the status of non-person - has now entered the BB house. As it happens I don't agree with Biggins' comments about bi people., but I'm old enough to understand that he grew up in a world where the visibility of gay people was negligible . If gay people were mentioned at all, it was seen as a medical or criminal condition. The whole gay movement has been built on visibility and the strength to come out of the closet. It was a physical battle, literally a daily battle against the risk of black eyes , broken ribs or worse: much worse. Biggins comes from the time where many gay people pretended to be bi as it was seen as more 'acceptable' and straight people often believed that bi people would simply straighten themselves out. Thirty years or more ago the LGBT battle lines were drawn and people were upfront and blunt: they simply did not have a fear of names or opinions. The world has gone mad, with adults no longer able to cope with different opinions or words, or stand up to fight and win an argument. Any bi people, offended or not, should bow down to the Biggins of this world. Without their struggle, they would simply not be able to go about their business or enjoy the state of being constantly offended.
As for causing offence, was it not a couple of weeks ago that Chanel 5 showed a man sucking on a woman's nipple and the same women appearing to get fingered under the bed sheets? It didn't offend me but I'm sure plenty of people would be offended by it. The right to offend is absolutely crucial to the principal of Free Speech.

You may think I have a different view on this to you but I def don't....your post is exactly what I've been saying for days ...I think Biggins is a silly old fart and I've never liked him but I do think he has personal experiences and reasons for being a silly old fart with his views regarding bisexuals. I also think people love to jump on something and claim to be more offended then they actually are....who gives a sh-t what Biggins thinks, Christ...if I expected him to say anything I agreed with id be more worried.
It's quite ironic that I spent the week before he made the comment being told I was terrible for saying I can't stand him,when everyone thought he was wonderful, and now I've got the same people telling me I'm terrible for seeing his perspective.

[halfacrown]

Thank you for this. This puts Biggins comments very clearly in context, and highlights the reason for generational differences. Although Biggins did cause offence to some, your post outlines the probable reasons behind this, as well as encouraging people to reconsider his intentions. If offence is not meant, it is easier to dismiss a comment, and I am sure Biggins would willingly apologise if he was told that he has caused offence.

What I find intolerable is when certain people on here group together to take part in an offensive and insulting onslaught of abuse directed at another forum member, and even worse, to continue to do so even after they have been clearly told they are causing offence.

You have stated the other side of the debate in a civil and informative way, which enables people to look at another side of the debate.

The problem being that there is too much 'offence' and too little debate. Worse still is that when somebody has been deemed offensive or a bigot they are then condemned and become non-people, no longer able to pursue their lives. Those who rush to claim their victimhood, over mere opinion, become the bullies. This is where the notion of Cry Bullies comes from.
My understanding is that Biggins was talking about gay people who pretend to be bi. He was pointing out that some gay people pretend to be bi in order more easily to gain acceptance.
There is a weird desire to share oppression and to perceive opinions as crimes. Free Speech is even more important than freedom from Hate Speech. It's a tough idea for people to accept but the right to cause offence is vital to the concept of Free Speech.

[halfacrown]

You may think I have a different view on this to you but I def don't....your post is exactly what I've been saying for days ...I think Biggins is a silly old fart and I've never liked him but I do think he has personal experiences and reasons for being a silly old fart with his views regarding bisexuals. I also think people love to jump on something and claim to be more offended then they actually are....who gives a sh-t what Biggins thinks, Christ...if I expected him to say anything I agreed with id be more worried.
It's quite ironic that I spent the week before he made the comment being told I was terrible for saying I can't stand him,when everyone thought he was wonderful, and now I've got the same people telling me I'm terrible for seeing his perspective.

Okay, we're on the same page regarding people's hypersensitivity. I find it more difficult to understand the extent of your dislike of Biggins, nor do I agree with your observations regarding gay people. You seem very caught up in clichéd ideas about 'gossipy', 'bitchy' gays. Trust me, nobody enjoys being trivialised, either for being gay or being old.

[Jan S]

You're not entitled to have any opinion on things like sexuality IMO. There shouldn't need to be an opinion there. It is what it is. It shouldn't have to be debated. Bisexuals are just biseuxals. We don't need people sticking their two cents in on that.

you know, that's one of the scariest things i've seen here

[Jan S]

i don't like biggins. he's exactly what hot2go calls him = a silly old fart

having said that, if that transcript is true (and i'm not at all sure it can be) then he must have been drunk, is suffering from senility, or having some absolute mental crisis! his beliefs match those of an era long gone; 37 years ago i had a boss who thought that way and he was in his late 60's. biggins may hold those views, but to open his mouth and let them escape on tv? i find that really hard to believe. i hope it's not true - not for his sake, but for the sake of believing things have moved on so much farther than when i first worked in a london office with an old colonial bigot.

[hot2go]

Okay, we're on the same page regarding people's hypersensitivity. I find it more difficult to understand the extent of your dislike of Biggins, nor do I agree with your observations regarding gay people. You seem very caught up in clichéd ideas about 'gossipy', 'bitchy' gays. Trust me, nobody enjoys being trivialised, either for being gay or being old.

Well I'm gay and not young and I speak from my own experiences....I don't like Biggins because i find him totally fake and self serving not because he's gay.
And I do believe that the gossip surrounding him will have a bigger impact on the gay scene then the impact of his out dated opinions.

[ThriceShy]

Oh dear:

Big Brother UK ‏@bbuk · 46m46 minutes ago

We can confirm that a transcript claiming to relate to Christopher Biggins' removal from the #CBB house is 100% fake