Is Biggins Ejection Justifiable?

[Wizard.]

Should they have removed Biggins for unacceptable behaviour / language? I felt sorry for him not going to lie. Some people don't realise that what they're saying is not right and its up to people to tell them that it's not right not just removing him and ruining his career.

[Lostie!]

Impossible to say if they're not even gonna show the comment to Katie. I don't think it was warranted solely on the basis of the bisexual comments though (as much as I disagreed with them) since just earlier this year a guy made offensive comments about gay people in this VT and they still put him in.

[BB247]

Should they have removed Biggins for unacceptable behaviour / language? I felt sorry for him not going to lie. Some people don't realise that what they're saying is not right and its up to people to tell them that it's not right not just removing him and ruining his career.

I'm well vexed.
Should be able to at least talk about anything as long as the person is not preaching hatefulness.

[thisisdanny]

What he said wasn't right. He clearly didn't mean to cause offence though, I felt bad for him when BB was speaking to him. If they've warned him multiple times then it's justifiable. Now wondering how many warnings Bear has gotten away with though...

[Patricia4]

No

[Drew.]

Impossible to say if they're not even gonna show the comment to Katie. I don't think it was warranted solely on the basis of the bisexual comments though (as much as I disagreed with them) since just earlier this year a guy made offensive comments about gay people in this VT and they still put him in.

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[ThriceShy]

Didn't Helen receive 14 warnings for actual abuse and intimidation towards individuals she was living with?

[RhysJones]

Yeah, BB said that they've repeatedly spoke to him about his comments, so fair enough

[lovebigbrotheruk]

Didn't Helen receive 14 warnings for actual abuse and intimidation towards individuals she was living with?

She was a bigoted idiot as well. She should have been chucked out.

[smudgie]

No.

[ThriceShy]

She was a bigoted idiot as well. She should have been chucked out.

But she wasn't. Why the disparity?

[Daffodil]

I can't answer this because we have not been told what he said to Katie.

[zakman440]

It's a very confusing situation tbh. If he built up the warnings then yes, but without seeing the full context as to why & when those warnings were issued it's hard to justify it.

[dyfed]

When it was announced to the hm biggins had gone,Katie was the first to be sad,my question is if Katie had been hurt by any of his comments surely she wouldn't be so sad!!

[Greg!]

No idea tbh they should have showed his conversation with Katie so people could judge whether he deserved to go

[Nodplod]

What he said wasn't right. He clearly didn't mean to cause offence though, I felt bad for him when BB was speaking to him. If they've warned him multiple times then it's justifiable. Now wondering how many warnings Bear has gotten away with though...

Biggins was victimised. He is a gay man and his language about bisexuality was more 'what has been said' rather than any vilification of any group. It is totally unacceptable that he's been ousted. Disgusted the way BB producers manipulate to keep some of the vile housemates in. And totally ignore vile behaviour/language/content/explicit sexual content. All that is ok, is it BB?
Yet Biggins' comments ( of which we haven't heard ALL) 'justify' his removal.😡
Bear's threatening violent behaviour/language; Aubrey's phenomenally vile act if SPITTING into a sandwich and a drink(and the subsequent laughter and pride at this action ; Renee's agreement in the conversation with Biggins.
It seems the US contestants are over protected. Who can forget the way Perez Hilton was pandered to? His vile outbursts and offensive sexually explicit actions? Was he removed? No!
Watch this space: Bear will be saved from eviction somehow this week. BB will ensure it by some twist. Because they know the public, given the choice, would choose to evict him.
Biggins has been robbed of his experience too early. SPINELESS and MANIPULATIVE, BB producers! You favour Americans and young drunken louts. Feeling let down, big time!!

[mr rochester]

There is no consistency whatsoever with this weak production team. They spoke about offensive language being the reason they were sacking him. Why then is Unbearable still there? Everything he gibbers from his open chewing mouth is offensive...

[RichardG]

As a viewer I've been much more offended by Bear and his gang than Biggins

Probably just another unfair ejection for the controversy/ratings

[MrAlexFletcher]

Biggins' ejection was for drama and headlines purely! The ratings or reviews mustn't be doing so good. Biggins said some questionable things. Granted. However you have to take into consideration that Renee was an accessory to the Biphobic incident so surely she must've received some form of a repercussion for it. Wouldn't put it past the producers as they clearly deem it acceptable to reveal a housemates ejection without showing the full amount of evidence leading to their exclusion. Shambles!

Personally I feel that we should decide who should live in the house. Katie Hopkins had it right in CBB15. People should be voted out. Not censored out. (obviously if physical violence entered the equation then obviously a housemate should definitely be ejected!)

[joeysteele]

On what they have shown, no I do not think he should be out.

Although I really abhor his views on bisexuality and particularly as to tonight's content on the topic.

[bots]

it was completely justified. Biggins is a nasty knob end

[Firewire]

For his comments - yes.

But others still remain, so it's hard to actually judge if it's fair.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Yes- especially considering the fact he'd already been warned about what he said to Katie.

[mr rochester]

Is Biggins now going to be invited onto other shows to give his side of things? This could have seriously negative effects on his career. This would be a travesty at his stage in life. Considering he was such a fan of the show this seems utterly unfair. I hope he still gets his fee but something tells me there will be a clause in his contract that states he won't if sacked.

[Braden]

It's hard to say because the guidelines for someone getting ejected have been skewed for a long time, and like Lostie has already said - they have cast people with ignorant views in the past, and have done so because they know the controversy it would cause.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Biggins' ejection is a travesty and his (perhaps unwise) occasional comments pale into insignificance when compared with Bear's violence and intimidating behaviour, yet Bear's the one who stays.

[johne]

Is Biggins now going to be invited onto other shows to give his side of things? This could have seriously negative effects on his career. This would be a travesty at his stage in life. Considering he was such a fan of the show this seems utterly unfair. I hope he still gets his fee but something tells me there will be a clause in his contract that states he won't if sacked.

Agreed, Biggins is in for a rough time in the future, and I feel sorry for the way he's been treated. However, I don't feel too sorry because I'm sure he's pretty wealthy and spending more time at home with his money and his many A-list celeb friends is not going to be too bad for him.

[Munchkins]

They should have shown all the comments tbf

[BB247]

Biggins' ejection was for drama and headlines purely! The ratings or reviews mustn't be doing so good. Biggins said some questionable things. Granted. However you have to take into consideration that Renee was an accessory to the Biphobic incident so surely she must've received some form of a repercussion for it. Wouldn't put it past the producers as they clearly deem it acceptable to reveal a housemates ejection without showing the full amount of evidence leading to their exclusion. Shambles!

Personally I feel that we should decide who should live in the house. Katie Hopkins had it right in CBB15. People should be voted out. Not censored out. (obviously if physical violence entered the equation then obviously a housemate should definitely be ejected!)

I means it's a show for adults, BB is to sensitive just let the HM's get on with it as long as there is no violence or threats of violence.

[Daniel-X]

Impossible to say if they're not even gonna show the comment to Katie. I don't think it was warranted solely on the basis of the bisexual comments though (as much as I disagreed with them) since just earlier this year a guy made offensive comments about gay people in this VT and they still put him in.

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[tanussa]

totally unfair that BB should chuck biggins out. when I heard what they had done I thought it was for something major, it ended up being hardly anything at all. a great misjustice

[TheMachine]

Biggins clearly said some other things not aired because it was very bad. Which was the real reason he got removed. Just the bisexual aids thing was more of same.

[Tom4784]

I trust BB's judgement, they always make the right decisions :)

[Marsh.]

I trust BB's judgement, they always make the right decisions :)

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[jet]

I means it's a show for adults, BB is to sensitive just let the HM's get on with it as long as there is no violence or threats of violence.

I agree. Let the public hear the conversations and decide by the public vote whether we find something offensive or not.

[wendywillow]

its ridiculous, and to not show the comments makes it worse. everyone afraid to offend anyone, and over a joke, and the did biggins no favors allowing a rumored transcript to makes the rounds for a day before saying that's not what happened

[bananarama]

I agree. Let the public hear the conversations and decide by the public vote whether we find something offensive or not.

The public don't need to hear anything offensive because BB has the power of editing material out. It should be the duty of the program editors to protect the public and only if housemates complain about offensive statements from a fellow housemate should BB then consider eviction or not.

It's more than likely that lawyers are advising what can be aired. Like I said above if they chose not to air any of it then lawyers would not need to be involved.

[Yaki da]

I've been out all night. Can someone tell me what happeneed?

[letmein]

Of course, as he broke the rules. However, others have as well. There should be others out too. They obviously didn't air his first bit because the show was pushing for him to win early on.

[letmein]

Biggins' ejection is a travesty and his (perhaps unwise) occasional comments pale into insignificance when compared with Bear's violence and intimidating behaviour, yet Bear's the one who stays.

Well, blaming a community of people for a disease that kills entire nations can lead to another Holocaust. A tad different. Bear should be thrown out as well though. What Biggins said is extremely dangerous, and the show obviously had had it with warning him.

[delta]

Biggins' ejection was for drama and headlines purely! The ratings or reviews mustn't be doing so good. Biggins said some questionable things. Granted. However you have to take into consideration that Renee was an accessory to the Biphobic incident so surely she must've received some form of a repercussion for it. Wouldn't put it past the producers as they clearly deem it acceptable to reveal a housemates ejection without showing the full amount of evidence leading to their exclusion. Shambles!

Personally I feel that we should decide who should live in the house. Katie Hopkins had it right in CBB15. People should be voted out. Not censored out. (obviously if physical violence entered the equation then obviously a housemate should definitely be ejected!)


They were my thoughts too, not that the ratings were low but Biggins was dispensable and he was thrown under the metaphorical bus just to keep the program in the headlines.

It looks like we have arrived at a time in history when everyone is a victim and no one can comment on anything with out fear of repercussions, hardly the recipe for stimulating conversation or watching- so a bit of an own goal by CBB.

[Cherie]

They were my thoughts too, not that the ratings were low but Biggins was dispensable and he was thrown under the metaphorical bus just to keep the program in the headlines.

It looks like we have arrived at a time in history when everyone is a victim and no one can comment on anything with out fear of repercussions, hardly the recipe for stimulating conversation or watching- so a bit of an own goal by CBB.

:clap2: it was a very soft ousting given the carry on of others in there not a Biggins fan but that was harsh, had he been on a final formal warning I wonder :think:

[Xanzia]

I cannot imagine why he is there at all. Just his prehistoric-bird like laughing is plenty for me.

[hot2go]

I can't answer this because we have not been told what he said to Katie.

So we know he publicly blamed the bisexual.community for spreading the worst killer disease in history but unless he upsets Katie you can't decide if he should have been thrown out or not ?

[Liam-]

For his comments/'joke' alone, no I don't think he deserved to be thrown out, but the fact that he's obviously had several talkings to about his comments potentially being offensive, I do think it was somewhat justified, however, do I think he should have been thrown out before some other people who have done worse things than him? absolutely not.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/271922-poll-big-brother-right-remove-biggins-house-vote.html

80% Think Biggins should not have been removed

[alex_front2]

The bigger issue is tptb censoring the controversy and only revealing a previous warning had been issued over something else. Had Biggins not made the HIV+AIDS comments then we would be oblivious to the anti semetic joke.

[Braden]

I think a final warning would have sufficed on this occasion, but then BB said that they'd spoke to him about it before?

It's anoying as viewer that we have to make sense of this mess when they don't show us what happens.

[billy123]

Horrible and offensive things to have said i dont think many would argue otherwise but should he have been kicked out? No not for me i mean what is the point of big brother really if it isnt for the viewers to make a judgement on how people behave in the house.
Do we really need C5 acting as moral judge,jury and executioner isnt that the job of the viewers of the show?

They already removed our ability to vote out housemates in CBB already resort to screwing with nomination rules so they can chop and change who and how many are nominated to protect their investments and now in recent years have removed our ability to have our say on controversial subjects via voting.

Why anybody would bother voting on this crap anymore is beyond me when the real decisions have already dealt with. It would have been interesting to watch the backlash Biggins got.

[Ellen]

Horrible and offensive things to have said i dont think many would argue otherwise but should he have been kicked out? No not for me i mean what is the point of big brother really if it isnt for the viewers to make a judgement on how people behave in the house.
Do we really need C5 acting as moral judge,jury and executioner isnt that the job of the viewers of the show?

They already removed our ability to vote out housemates in CBB already resort to screwing with nomination rules so they can chop and change who and how many are nominated to protect their investments and now in recent years have removed our ability to have our say on controversial subjects via voting.

Why anybody would bother voting on this crap anymore is beyond me when the real decisions have already dealt with. It would have been interesting to watch the backlash Biggins got.

This ^^^^^:thumbs:

[Livia]

If they are his views, as twisted and unacceptable as they may seem to some, they are his views and he has a perfect right to express them. Expressing those views tells us all we need to know about that person so I don't think BB was right to eject him. BB have let so much go, so much unacceptable behaviour but they set themselves up as the moral judge any time race or sexuality is discussed.

[Livia]

The public don't need to hear anything offensive because BB has the power of editing material out. It should be the duty of the program editors to protect the public and only if housemates complain about offensive statements from a fellow housemate should BB then consider eviction or not.

It's more than likely that lawyers are advising what can be aired. Like I said above if they chose not to air any of it then lawyers would not need to be involved.

If the comments were as they were reported why the hell would lawyers being involved?

[joeysteele]

If they are his views, as twisted and unacceptable as they may seem to some, they are his views and he has a perfect right to express them. Expressing those views tells us all we need to know about that person so I don't think BB was right to eject him. BB have let so much go, so much unacceptable behaviour but they set themselves up as the moral judge any time race or sexuality is discussed.

Really well said, that is a very fair view to take.
I agree with every word of that.

I'd rather see people as they really are,also how and what they think,over the acting and indeed overacting at times we have to judge them on, which is often very false as to how they really are.

Whether that leaves us to end up liking them or disliking them, that is how it should be.

[MrWong]

The bigger issue is tptb censoring the controversy and only revealing a previous warning had been issued over something else. Had Biggins not made the HIV+AIDS comments then we would be oblivious to the anti semetic joke.

This is my issue with it all.

[Northern Monkey]

Really well said, that is a very fair view to take.
I agree with every word of that.

I'd rather see people as they really are,also how and what they think,over the acting and indeed overacting at times we have to judge them on, which is often very false as to how they really are.

Whether that leaves us to end up liking them or disliking them, that is how it should be.

Exactly:thumbs:

Surely it is the viewers decision on whether he stays or goes.If the voting public don't like his opinions then it is their job to get him out.
Alot of people will be hiding their real thoughts so as not to face ejection.

[hot2go]

How people have categorised this situation is almost as bad as what Biggins did... The joke about Jews was a joke ... In fact it was a joke about the holocaust so it's actually hi lighting how bad Germans were not Jews... but either way it was a joke no different to jokes made by Joan Rivers... Problem is Biggins isn't skilled or talented like she was so it doesn't work.
But in order of importance the ' not joke ' comments he made about bisexuals is far worse and the main and only reason he should have been removed.
It seems that upsetting the Jewish Community is seen as the bigger issue when in fact it's not. We can't upset the Jewish community with a joke but we can upset the Bisexual community with an accusation and apportion sole blame to them for AIDS ?
Biggins had to go.

[joeysteele]

Exactly:thumbs:

Surely it is the viewers decision on whether he stays or goes.If the voting public don't like his opinions then it is their job to get him out.
Alot of people will be hiding their real thoughts so as not to face ejection.

They for sure do Northern Monkey

[bots]

big brother is an entertainment show, not a platform for bigots, of course he should have been ejected.

[Garfie]

I posted this elsewhere but the same thing might be relevant to this discussion- The following is from the CPS website, regarding UK laws, and am assuming that some of Biggins' comments may have fallen into this category, which might be the reason for the rumours about a police investigation. It might also explain the reason why BB have not broadcast it, as according to this they could be seen as committing a criminal offence in doing so. I have highlighted the key points in the first paragraph.

The highlighted passage at the bottom explains that, although we are entitled to free speech, the reason why balance is needed when we choose what we say- "we have to balance the rights of the individual to freedom of expression against the duty of the state to ...... protect the rights of others".

I wonder also that, if we are looking at racism as a reason for his removal, it might not just be the comments judged as anti-Semitic (which we haven't actually seen) but also the inference he made that Africans were initially responsible for AIDS?

Just thought it might be of interest, and go some way to addressing some of the confusion about why Biggins comments could have been deemed unacceptable and the reason behind his removal, as well as answering some of the questions raised on here during the discussions on Biggins and free speech.


Incitement to racial hatred

This offence is committed when the accused person says or does something which is threatening, abusive or insulting and, by doing so, either intends to stir up racial hatred, or makes it likely that racial hatred will be stirred up. This can include such things as making a speech, displaying a racist poster, publishing written material, performing a play or broadcasting something in the media.

If we are not able to prove that someone intended to stir up racial hatred, we have to show that, in all the circumstances, hatred was likely to be stirred up. 'Likely' does not mean that racial hatred was simply possible. We therefore have to examine the context of any behaviour very carefully, in particular the likely audience, as this will be highly relevant.

These offences appear in the Public Order Act 1986.
When people hate others because of race, such hatred may become manifest in the commission of crimes motivated by hate, or in abuse, discrimination or prejudice. Such reactions will vary from person to person, but all hatred has a detrimental effect on both individual victims and society, and this is a relevant factor to take into account when considering whether a prosecution is appropriate.

It is essential in a free, democratic and tolerant society that people are able robustly to exchange views, even when these may cause offence. However, we have to balance the rights of the individual to freedom of expression against the duty of the state to act proportionately in the interests of public safety, to prevent disorder and crime, and to protect the rights of others.[

[Jan S]

big brother's house, big brother's rules

repeated warnings ignored? shown the door. i think it was right, even if their reasoning was fuzzy.

shame they didn't do the same for bear - they shudda drop-kicked him out of the stadium