Should controversial opinions be banned from TV and media?

[Northern Monkey]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

[Ashley.]

It wasn't an opinion, it was a thoughtless joke... I don't think there was any truth in it at all.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

At the end of the day it's not a public forum, it's an entertainment show. They have editorial control and have every right to decide what type of language/discussion they want or don't want in the show.

[Northern Monkey]

It wasn't an opinion, it was a thoughtless joke... I don't think there was any truth in it at all.

So controversial comedy should'nt be allowed on TV?

[Jordan.]

Wow yeah what a boring world if everyone thought the same. We need all that entertaining murder and discrimination.

[Northern Monkey]

Wow yeah what a boring world if everyone thought the same. We need all that entertaining murder and discrimination.

Well there are many TV shows which feature murder.Why are they not banned but biggins joke or opinion is?You can say that murder on telly is fictional but not all of it is.Some is based on real events.

[bots]

So controversial comedy should'nt be allowed on TV?

his comments around aids were not comedy and were not a joke. People are treating things in isolation where the producers made it quite clear that it was a cumulative issue, where he had been warned numerous times and chose to ignore the warnings.

[alex_front2]

Banning controversial opinions won't be enough. When the PC opinion is expressed and someone merely shakes their head to convey disagreement in future that will be tantamount to a hate crime.

[Northern Monkey]

his comments around aids were not comedy and were not a joke. People are treating things in isolation where the producers made it quite clear that it was a cumulative issue, where he had been warned numerous times and chose to ignore the warnings.

His comments on Aids were a theory.Very possibly a wrong theory but still a theory and he even included that it was a scientist who told him this.Should theories be banned if they are controversial?

[bots]

His comments on Aids were a theory.Very possibly a wrong theory but still a theory and he even included that it was a scientist who told him this.Should theories be banned if they are controversial?

if you consistently push bigoted views without there being appropriate balance, it cannot be allowed to persist on a public platform like TV. Surely that's obvious

[Northern Monkey]

if you consistently push bigoted views without there being appropriate balance, it cannot be allowed to persist on a public platform like TV. Surely that's obvious

Surely that balance comes from anyone in the house who disagrees with him in a conversation?If everyone agrees with him C5 only has to say that a housemate's views do not reflect the views on Channel 5.

[jaxie]

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

[camertone]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

banning opinions no, banning racism yes.

[bots]

Surely that balance comes from anyone in the house who disagrees with him in a conversation?If everyone agrees with him C5 only has to say that a housemate's views do not reflect the views on Channel 5.

with the greatest respect to Bear and his fellows, he is not blessed with the capacity to balance an argument. Nor should it be his responsibility. These folk know the score when they go on these type of shows. Biggins was trying his luck, there was nothing unintentional about it ... he tried it ... got warned ... continued to do it ... got warned ... continued to do it ... and got thrown out.

He had every opportunity to adjust his behaviour, but chose not to. There is no-one to blame but himself for his own stupidity.

[Northern Monkey]

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

Exactly.We can get rid of him.The whole point of the show.

[user104658]

At the end of the day it's not a public forum, it's an entertainment show. They have editorial control and have every right to decide what type of language/discussion they want or don't want in the show.

Nail on the head - It's not about what should or shouldn't be "allowed" on TV with something like Big Brother. It's a show owned by a private company and they can decide to do whatever they want with it. If they think it's in the financial interests of the show to remove someone for ANY reason then that is entirely their business (literally).

Now, if a news channel was heavily restricting / cutting out people's comments I'd be far more concerned.

I guess think of it this way: If you're out in a public space, like a park for example, and you hear someone saying something that you don't like. That's tough ****. You can challenge them on it / try to debate with them but you can't order them to leave the park. That's the right to free speech. If a guest in YOUR house starts saying something you don't like or don't want to hear, you can kick him out on his arse. You can use reasonable physical force to remove that person, even, or call the authorities. That person can't whine about his right to free speech in YOUR HOME - he has NO such right.

The BB house belongs to the production company. It is their property. It is their show. Full stop, end of discussion, it is not a free speech issue.

[billy123]

if you consistently push bigoted views without there being appropriate balance, it cannot be allowed to persist on a public platform like TV. Surely that's obviousMary Whitehouse would be so proud of you trying to shut down,censor and block anything other than mainstream PC views.

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[user104658]

Just to add on another level: Yes I would PREFER that they kept people in and let it kick off naturally. I quite enjoy seeing these people destroy their "national treasure" status and 40 year log career :joker:.

But it's still not up to us. Well, it is in a sense I suppose, as the "customers" we can vote with our feet and simply stop watching... but if the company believes that they'd lose more revenue by showing this stuff than by shutting it down then again... that's their decision.

[user104658]

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

I do agree with that (above and beyond my arguments above) but then there's a lot of confusion there, too. A lot of people mistakenly believe that having their controversial opinions opposed is the same as having them stifled or censored and get all huffy about it. They incorrectly believe that "their right to free speech" involves the right to state their opinions WITHOUT opposition. Just take a look in Serious Debates :joker:.

[VanessaFeltz.]

The reason i stopped watching was we dont get to see live feeds or we dont get balanced highlights show. These are not real people anymore, they are "characters" that bb decides to create.

What we need is we need to see all housemates and everything they say, pure truth. They literally knew what kind of person Andrew was yet they decided to bring him to the house just to eject him couple of days later.

We should be able to see what happens and we should have a fair say about who gets the boot and people shouldnt be ejected for silly reasons.

[arista]

It wasn't an opinion, it was a thoughtless joke... I don't think there was any truth in it at all.



Yes he attacked Jews


I am Glad he was Ejected
I hate him

[arista]

"Mary Whitehouse would be so proud of you trying"


Bob - Bollocks
Ken Livingston had a Job on LBC
he also attacked Jews
LBC had to Sack him


That old woman from the past
if you dug her up and brought her back
she would not understand all this

[armand.kay]

Bb can be a bit ott sometimes most other show just let problamatic chicks stay stay and get clocked by other cast members.

[user104658]

The reason i stopped watching was we dont get to see live feeds or we dont get balanced highlights show. These are not real people anymore, they are "characters" that bb decides to create.

What we need is we need to see all housemates and everything they say, pure truth. They literally knew what kind of person Andrew was yet they decided to bring him to the house just to eject him couple of days later.

We should be able to see what happens and we should have a fair say about who gets the boot and people shouldnt be ejected for silly reasons.

I agree with that and I much preferred early BB (especially) seasons 1 - 7 than what we have now... but essentially I think we need to accept that it's a different sort of show now and closer to semi-scripted reality shows with guided / set up situations, and enjoy it as that, if you enjoy that sort of show. I'm quite enjoying this series because it seems to be sort of fully embracing that now, instead of trying to be "somewhere in the middle" which just doesn't work.

[billy123]

That old woman from the past
if you dug her up and brought her back
she would not understand all thisBan this person right now. Kick him off the forum for suggesting grave robbing and digging up dead people. I have never been so offended in all my life.
This is a disgrace.

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/appalled-memes/tumblr_inline_myt0jmUQz61qcp4l4.jpg

[Cherie]

Ban this person right now. Kick him off the forum for suggesting grave robbing and digging up dead people. I have never been so offended in all my life.
This is a disgrace.

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/appalled-memes/tumblr_inline_myt0jmUQz61qcp4l4.jpg

:joker: that's kind of the point isn't it, people make all sorts of controversial/disgusting comments on social media, but get all huffy when someone who is not their fave says something controversial, the whole thing is ludicrous beyond belief, everyone is so busy being offended by everything

[arista]

Ban this person right now. Kick him off the forum for suggesting grave robbing and digging up dead people. I have never been so offended in all my life.
This is a disgrace.

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/appalled-memes/tumblr_inline_myt0jmUQz61qcp4l4.jpg


How Nice

[arista]

:joker: that's kind of the point isn't it, people make all sorts of controversial/disgusting comments on social media, but get all huffy when someone who is not their fave says something controversial, the whole thing is ludicrous beyond belief, everyone is so busy being offended by everything


Yes Cherie


But I Never Attacked
any Jews

[Cherie]

Yes Cherie


But I Never Attacked
any Jews

I don't think Biggins did either, it's in the tasteless joke category no more Arista

[Munchkins]

Nope it's better to let these views be aired in their full nature, so people can see how deplorable it is

[arista]

I don't think Biggins did either, it's in the tasteless joke category no more Arista


You are Wrong its gone World Wide
Evil Joke by JC

His Agent
has gone in hiding - Get out there you Fecking Coward

[arista]

Nope it's better to let these views be aired in their full nature, so people can see how deplorable it is


Viacom Lawyer
at Endemol Production
said NO

[Tom4784]

Yes, we should only focus on positive things :)

[letmein]

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

You don't have freedom of speech. The UK is not the US.

[shella]

At the end of the day it's not a public forum, it's an entertainment show. They have editorial control and have every right to decide what type of language/discussion they want or don't want in the show.

i was about to say the same thing i dont come on here often but i do believe Mr
Biggins was treated fairly

[shella]

his comments around aids were not comedy and were not a joke. People are treating things in isolation where the producers made it quite clear that it was a cumulative issue, where he had been warned numerous times and chose to ignore the warnings.

have you ever been in the big brother house i would not last 2 days he hasn't said anything that most people haven't herd before he is old school it was his opinion i dont have to agree or disagree its very easy to say out here but in that environment you will always be saying something that offend someone else and you wont even know because it was not said to offend........i think he got a bum deal i have herd a lot of worst things on celebrity big brother and they never got a warning jmo

[hot2go]

Biggins saying that he doesn't like Bisexuals is an opinion.
Biggins saying that AIDS was a Bisexual disease and they are responsible for contaminating the world is Slander.
Huge difference.

[Robodog]

Yes he attacked Jews


I am Glad he was Ejected
I hate him

How/when did he attack jews?

[shella]

banning opinions no, banning racism yes.

really you are going to use that card .........how can you tell he is a racist i could call you a racist ......oh ....wait........i don't know you ........do you get my point?

[smudgie]

It's a shame there was nobody in the house interested in having a proper debate about the issue.
One sided throwaway comments don't really tell you much.
Back in the day it was considered to be a gay man issue, then women started getting it.......I remember watching a tv drama where the wife was stricken with it after her husband slept with another man. Lovely way to find out your husband liked men as well.
This was at the time of the big AIDS campaign poster messages, the public had no clue what was going on really, but only gay men or people that shared needles got it was the general message given, that and the fact it was a death sentence.

[arista]

Yes, we should only focus on positive things :)


Yes like How better the House is
without C. B.


Bloody Great Dezzy

[arista]

How/when did he attack jews?


Reported all around the World
C. B. used "Death Camp Evil Joke" at a Jewish Celeb


Fecking FACT

[Walter White]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

I'll never watch BB again because of it. Not that I ever watched it in the first place.

[shella]

Nail on the head - It's not about what should or shouldn't be "allowed" on TV with something like Big Brother. It's a show owned by a private company and they can decide to do whatever they want with it. If they think it's in the financial interests of the show to remove someone for ANY reason then that is entirely their business (literally).

Now, if a news channel was heavily restricting / cutting out people's comments I'd be far more concerned.

I guess think of it this way: If you're out in a public space, like a park for example, and you hear someone saying something that you don't like. That's tough ****. You can challenge them on it / try to debate with them but you can't order them to leave the park. That's the right to free speech. If a guest in YOUR house starts saying something you don't like or don't want to hear, you can kick him out on his arse. You can use reasonable physical force to remove that person, even, or call the authorities. That person can't whine about his right to free speech in YOUR HOME - he has NO such right.

The BB house belongs to the production company. It is their property. It is their show. Full stop, end of discussion, it is not a free speech issue.

i understand what you are saying but not everyone thinks the way you do i have had people in my home home saying out loud things that i did not like but i have never kicked them out i like to know why a person thinks that way and discuss the issue only once did someone not like the fact that i called them out on a comment he got soooooo angry he left on his own accord came back 2 days later and apologized i still confronted him........we are the best of friends now and its because he knows he be honest to the bone with me and i wont lose the plot and thats the type of people that are my true friend it also works both ways what you have to understand is we all have said thing not meaning to offend but we do its how you deal with it that makes the difference.....
i watch Big Brother as a social experiment so my views my be different in the way i see things but Mr Biggins did nothing wrong yes it is a show and things will be said but to remove him from the house was wrong he didnt even get a chance to speck for himself people will always remember this about him and i think that is unfair considering i think that Aurbury should have been thrown out of the house for spitting in Bears food and drink without him knowing that to me was the worst thing i have ever seen on all the Big Brother shows EVER

[Robodog]

Reported all around the World
C. B. used "Death Camp Evil Joke" at a Jewish Celeb


Fecking FACT


There have been death camps all over the world, where people of all faiths, races, religions, and beliefs have been killed and abused - including during world war 2

What did CB say about Jews specifically?

[Walter White]

There have been death camps all over the world, where people of all faiths, races, religions, and beliefs have been killed and abused - including during world war 2

What did CB say about Jews specifically?

Metalman's best friend?

[shella]

ummmm.....the USA has not got freedom of speech any more .........hello......lol

[Robodog]

Metalman's best friend?

Ha ha love it

We should go for a walk sometime, like once around the galaxy, i could chase some robosquirrels

[Walter White]

Ha ha love it

We should go for a walk sometime, like once around the galaxy, i could chase some robosquirrels

:laugh: I'll be sure to bring along a steel-reinforced baggie for your titanium turds.

[Erik B]

It seems Big Brother producers are gay humourless jews that dictate their opinions on the British public. I feel sorry for you people on the island.

I remember when Bill Hicks was admired, adored and appreciated. Now the political correctness police of the humourless gay jews would probably throw him in jail.

Personally, after Tila Tequila got banned I was annoyed, now I just say goodbye to BB for good.

[waterhog]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.


I agreeand this could not happen if BB was like how it started ie on 24-7 available to all. it is turning ito a show of manipulation.

[arista]

There have been death camps all over the world, where people of all faiths, races, religions, and beliefs have been killed and abused - including during world war 2

What did CB say about Jews specifically?


He Sold the Story to The Sun
to get some Cash in, today

His Evil Death Camp Joke was at that Jewish Celeb Women

That then goes around the World
No Joke

[arista]

"we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions."

Wrong C. B. Attacked the Jews


Another Example of that was Ken Livingstone
who had a show on LBC.
he said something against Jews in some way
LBC SACKED him fast

[Robodog]

:laugh: I'll be sure to bring along a steel-reinforced baggie for your titanium turds.

Ha. You will need it. They have an insane density, like nibbler's turds from futurama :laugh:

[Withano]

I think it would be interesting to watch an anything goes/ no rules apply Big Brother.. But then again these people are being hired. Nobody should be able to insult a community, any community and be payed 150k for doing so. I don't think it would work on Civilian BB either because a lot of people purposely support the controversial characters because they mistake their cuntishness for some weird form of entertainment.

So no really, not for BB. Theres a line somewhere, BB needs to make this line clearer and more consistent but crossing it should equate ejection regardless of how much of a talking point / national treasure the offender is.

[Withano]

Stating an opinion is fine. It has happened hundreds of times throughout this series already

What Biggins said about bisexuality can not be described as an opinion because he is simply incorrect. Some things do not require an opinion, some things require an education.

If you have an opinion that a fact is untrue, then you're an idiot, if your stupidness has potential to insult a community, you should get a warning. If you continue to insult a community, any community, you get ejected. Seems like fair rules to me.

[camertone]

really you are going to use that card .........how can you tell he is a racist i could call you a racist ......oh ....wait........i don't know you ........do you get my point?

it was a simple answer to a simple question about the show, not intended for any housemate particular.. so .. oh wait.. you are missing the whole point..

as it comes to cb, i totally agree with bb's decision.. :dance:

[camertone]

Stating an opinion is fine. It has happened hundreds of times throughout this series already

What Biggins said about bisexuality can not be described as an opinion because he is simply incorrect. Some things do not require an opinion, some things require an education.

If you have an opinion that a fact is untrue, then you're an idiot, if your stupidness has potential to insult a community, you should get a warning. If you continue to insult a community, any community, you get ejected. Seems like fair rules to me.

well said..

[billy123]

Stating an opinion is fine. It has happened hundreds of times throughout this series already

What Biggins said about bisexuality can not be described as an opinion because he is simply incorrect. Some things do not require an opinion, some things require an education.

If you have an opinion that a fact is untrue, then you're an idiot, if your stupidness has potential to insult a community, you should get a warning. If you continue to insult a community, any community, you get ejected. Seems like fair rules to me.You forgot to add that is just your opinion.

[Kizzy]

Stating an opinion is fine. It has happened hundreds of times throughout this series already

What Biggins said about bisexuality can not be described as an opinion because he is simply incorrect. Some things do not require an opinion, some things require an education.

If you have an opinion that a fact is untrue, then you're an idiot, if your stupidness has potential to insult a community, you should get a warning. If you continue to insult a community, any community, you get ejected. Seems like fair rules to me.

By the same token this is incorrect.

If someone has an opinion that is factually incorrect they are ignorant to those facts, as in they are not aware of them.

Opinions however are subjective and do not have to be based on facts.

[Withano]

By the same token this is incorrect.

If someone has an opinion that is factually incorrect they are ignorant to those facts, as in they are not aware of them.

Opinions however are subjective and do not have to be based on facts.

Making an opinion not based on facts makes you as stupid as anybody who learns and disregards them.
Either way his "opinions" were simply ill-informed and could cause offence to a community just because of his ignorance. Warning warranted.
If we're led to believe he could have caused offence three or more times, ejection warranted.

[Jason.]

I think it would be interesting to watch an anything goes/ no rules apply Big Brother.. But then again these people are being hired. Nobody should be able to insult a community, any community and be payed 150k for doing so. I don't think it would work on Civilian BB either because a lot of people purposely support the controversial characters because they mistake their cuntishness for some weird form of entertainment.

So no really, not for BB. Theres a line somewhere, BB needs to make this line clearer and more consistent but crossing it should equate ejection regardless of how much of a talking point / national treasure the offender is.

It kinda used to be like that until CBB5 came along. That's one thing I hate about BB nowadays is how PC its become. Housemates used to be able to get away with much more a decade ago compared to nowadays. Look at a series like BB6 for example, which aired in 2005, if that aired a decade later in 2015 it probably would've caused a bigger race row than CBB5.

These days you can't say anything without the Ofcom brigade flipping a lid and complaining. I mean we even have warnings before the show starts ffs. And that doesn't just apply to controversial comments but also other things like nudity, sexual scenes and bullying.

[BB247]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:
Exactly it's a adult show and we can make or own mind up BB have turned into NAZI'S, Ooops sorry I meant polictically correct pussies.

[ThriceShy]

Making an opinion not based on facts makes you as stupid as anybody who learns and disregards them.
Either way his "opinions" were simply ill-informed and could cause offence to a community just because of his ignorance. Warning warranted.
If we're led to believe he could have caused offence three or more times, ejection warranted.

Do you not think spitting in someone's food could cause gross offence?

[chuff me dizzy]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

:clap1: Totally agree, far too much PC

[chuff me dizzy]

Do you not think spitting in someone's food could cause gross offence?

The worst thing this series but she's still in there

[Withano]

Do you not think spitting in someone's food could cause gross offence?

A bit irrelevant considering the topic.. did you read the OP? But yes, I can see how that could cause offence to other people and evidently so did the production team as they put her on a final warning, which is presumably different to just giving her a warning.

[ThriceShy]

A bit irrelevant considering the topic.. did you read the OP? But yes, I can see how that could cause offence to other people and evidently so did the production team as they put her on a final warning, which is presumably different to just giving her a warning.

You don't agree she should be out then? And you still don't agree that spitting in food is worse than slagging bisexuals off?

Just checkin'.

[Withano]

You don't agree she should be out then? And you still don't agree that spitting in food is worse than slagging bisexuals off?

Just checkin'.

I think repeatedly causing offence to at least 2 different communities in the space of a week is worse than spitting in someones food and evidently so does the production team. If Bear was to act differently, then it would be a different story, but Bear did not care, whereas many victims of Biggins "opinions" did care. Perhaps thats why Marnie wasn't punished (at least onscreen), her victim didn't care much either.

[delta]

It's a dichotomy, we are asking for all 'of them' yet if they hide their true selves we jump up and down and call them out for being underhand and for playing a game.


I would take the 'Elvis' view on this, "Sir, I am an artist who entertains and I would rather not comment on social or political events, a lot of my fans come from all kinds of different persuasions and I don't want to alienate andy of them" or words to that effect.

In short, this kind of program could kill your career stone dead.

[ThriceShy]

I think repeatedly causing offence to at least 2 different communities in the space of a week is worse than spitting in someones food and evidently so does the production team. If Bear was to act differently, then it would be a different story, but Bear did not care, whereas many victims of Biggins "opinions" did care. Perhaps thats why Marnie wasn't punished (at least onscreen), her victim didn't care much either.

And there we have it.

We have now reached a point in civilisation where some people think that expressing your opinions about certain kinds of people is worse than physically assaulting someone.

I really despair.

[BB247]

And there we have it.

We have now reached a point in civilisation where some people think that expressing your opinions about certain kinds of people is worse than physically assaulting someone.

I really despair.

True talk, If you spat at someone or in someones food and they called the police you could get arrested for assult.

[Withano]

And there we have it.

We have now reached a point in civilisation where some people think that expressing your opinions about certain kinds of people is worse than physically assaulting someone.

I really despair.

Because you was unaware that words could cause offence before now?

[ThriceShy]

Because you was unaware that words could cause offence before now?

Offence is taken, not given.

Let's place this in the outside world for a second. If I went in a boozer and said that I thought bisexuals were really gay and some of them brought aids over then I might offend some people but I sure as **** wouldn't be arrested.

Now what do you think might happen if I walked in the same boozer and spat on someone?

[Withano]

Offence is taken, not given.

Let's place this in the outside world for a second. If I went in a boozer and said that I thought bisexuals were really gay and some of them brought aids over then I might offend some people but I sure as **** wouldn't be arrested.

Now what do you think might happen if I walked in the same boozer and spat on someone?

I think you're presuming this show is all about your opinions.. Your hierarchy of what is offensive isn't BBs guides to punishments, the sooner you learn this, the sooner you can move on. The victim of Marnie was not offended (no punishment), the victim of Aubrey was not offended (final warning), plenty of victims of Biggins were offended (at least three warnings, aka ejection). Your cry for 'what offends me the most' is irrelevant but its kinda cute that you disagree. see: Spotlight effect.

[ThriceShy]

I think you're presuming this show is all about your opinions.. Your hierarchy of what is offensive isn't BBs guides to punishments, the sooner you learn this, the sooner you can move on. The victim of Marnie was not offended (no punishment), the victim of Aubrey was not offended (final warning), plenty of victims of Biggins were offended (at least three warnings, aka ejection). Your cry for 'what offends me the most' is irrelevant but its kinda cute that you disagree. see: Spotlight effect.

I have seen no evidence that anyone in the house was offended by Biggins' remarks.

Even Katie was very upset that he was leaving.

But even if they were offended, how is that some kind of indicator of who should be ejected? If you want to get rid of a housemate then you would just claim that you were offended by them.

And you keep saying yourself that Bear is upsetting and offending all of them and yet he hasn't been kicked out.

Why, it's almost as if BB isn't being fair and balanced.

[jennyjuniper]

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

This in a nutshell.:clap1::clap1:

[Diatom]

I am usually just a lurker but I had to log on and say this is complete bull****. They kicked that man off for his opinion! An Opinion does not equate to bad language!
Gah! BB decided and chose to air the conversation. Why???
One mans opinion does not trump another's and now the BB police have taken away your right to have your own opinion..it should be called Big Prison!
Everyone should be entitled to their own opinions and thoughts with out that we are robots.
The adgenda and brainwashing is very evident..
So it's BB's OPINION that Biggins OPINION is offensive and BB's OPINION that Aubrey's deliberate, vile, discusting ACTIONS were okay. Hmmm
Who's in charge here at BB?

[ThriceShy]

People seem to be under the impression that BB are doing this censorship for the greater good and to protect minorities from being offended.

They aren't. They are simply doing it as a result of what happened surrounding the Shilpa Shetty race row shenanigans. It is simple arse covering.

[Withano]

I have seen no evidence that anyone in the house was offended by Biggins' remarks.

Even Katie was very upset that he was leaving.

But even if they were offended, how is that some kind of indicator of who should be ejected? If you want to get rid of a housemate then you would just claim that you were offended by them.

And you keep saying yourself that Bear is upsetting and offending all of them and yet he hasn't been kicked out.

Why, it's almost as if BB isn't being fair and balanced.

I have never said bear is offending any of them. Seems like you're reaching. And its not all about the housemates when theres 2 million viewers. I know youre confused by all this, i dont have the time to go through in baby steps why the show hasnt gone completely your way since day one. Sorry. I can leave you with one of the rules though

Big Brother will intervene and may remove you from the house if you behave in an unacceptable way that could cause serious offence to any other Housemate or to the viewing public.

Biggins has offended communities outside of the house. marnies victim was not offended, Aubreys victim was not offended.

[ThriceShy]

I have never said bear is offending any of them. Seems like you're reaching. And its not all about the housemates when theres 2 million viewers. I know youre confused by all this, i dont have the time to go through in baby steps why the show hasnt gone completely your way since day one. Sorry. I can leave you with one of the rules though

Big Brother will intervene and may remove you from the house if you behave in an unacceptable way that could cause serious offence to any other Housemate or to the viewing public.

Biggins has offended communities outside of the house. marnies victim was not offended, Aubreys victim was not offended.

If Aubrey's victim wasn't offended then why did they give her a final warning?

Biggins hasn't offended anyone outside of the house. It is BB who broadcast his comments. If bisexuals (the poor flowers) are offended then that offence was caused by BB not biggins.

It is amusing to be accused of reaching by someone who, last night, exclaimed "you have too much time on your hands", while showing a post count that is 3 times mine.:laugh:

[Diatom]

Have they even told the house why or left them with that lame vague excuse ?
I don't think they have as some would probably walk and the rest would just sit there afraid to talk about anything.
Lol, what a joke this has turned into.

[Withano]

If Aubrey's victim wasn't offended then why did they give her a final warning?



Because people like you (and other poor flowers) are offended on his behalf. I have no idea whats confusing you anymore. The more offence caused, the more severe the punishment. Its basically maths.

[Diatom]

LOL..bull****..BB was offended. Periiod.

[ThriceShy]

Because people like you (and other poor flowers) are offended on his behalf. I have no idea whats confusing you anymore. The more offence caused, the more severe the punishment. Its basically maths.

Aubrey committed a crime. They even had to seek medical advice. She committed a serious assault.

If spitting is OK then why was Dennis removed?

[halfacrown]

There is no freedom of speech without the freedom to offend. Every racist/homophobic/ sexist comment is an opportunity to refute and debate. How strange that BB gives prominent warnings at the beginning of its broadcast, for a programme made for adults, and then evicts someone for a few ill-judged words.

My own opinion is that a weird puritanical obsession with the dogma of Political correctness has gripped young people. This is against the usual flow of social history, because the young have usually been the source of disruption and freedom.

The reality is that Political Correctness is sometimes the enemy of truth: go ahead and read the Wikipedia entry on the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal to see what I'm talking about. Sometimes the best of intentions can be replaced by obsession and denial.

[Diatom]

Yeah we have to remember who's running the show..

[VanessaFeltz.]

Some people have no idea sometimes words can cause A LOT MORE damage than even physical damage.. And we are talking about thousands of people he offended.

But obviously some people here havent have to go through such ignorance so they cant understand.

Buttt maybe i shouldnt talk more because i can get a warning so ops (or even get a warning for talking about warnings) :hehe:

[ThriceShy]

Some people have no idea sometimes words can cause A LOT MORE damage than even physical damage.. And we are talking about thousands of people he offended.

But obviously some people here havent have to go through such ignorance so they cant understand.

Buttt maybe i shouldnt talk more because i can get a warning so ops (or even get a warning for talking about warnings) :hehe:

But biggins was gay in an era where it was really frowned on and even illegal. He will have been on the receiving end of some prejudice.

[Kizzy]

Making an opinion not based on facts makes you as stupid as anybody who learns and disregards them.
Either way his "opinions" were simply ill-informed and could cause offence to a community just because of his ignorance. Warning warranted.
If we're led to believe he could have caused offence three or more times, ejection warranted.

Opinions don't just have to be based on acts though do they, they are a product of culture, socialisation, media influence... You can't say people are stupid for being ignorant to the 'facts'.

It's sad we were not given the full facts with which to base our opinions on, I hate feeling like I'm being spoonfed information that is contrary to the 'facts' whether what he said was ignorant or not I would like to make my own mind up how I feel about it.

'If we're led'..... My advice? Don't be led, anywhere.

[VanessaFeltz.]

But biggins was gay in an era where it was really frowned on and even illegal. He will have been on the receiving end of some prejudice.

I was talking about people's point of view and why i think they are wrong in that matter my sentence wasnt towards biggins my sentence was towards everybody who thinks "oh you should be a big boy and get over it, if you are not tough then you are going to be tarnished in life anyways, it is just his opinion"

Yes majority of the people here have enough inner strenght to not care about the silly opinions but there are lots of people out there who has diffrent life experimences and sometimes nobody is there for that person and imagine that person is watching tv and seeing triggering things like "bisexuality is **** it is not real" from a gay guy's mouth lets everyone take a moment of silence and think about that.

To everyone out there even if you are that minority member yes you may be strong but not everybody has the life experimence that you have

[halfacrown]

Aubrey committed a crime. They even had to seek medical advice. She committed a serious assault.

If spitting is OK then why was Dennis removed?

The spitting was pretty nasty but I wouldn't think of it as a very serious crime. The idea of seeking medical advice seemed out of character for the BB staff when you consider the countless examples of strangers who have exchanged bodily fluids on the show previously. They may have done it willingly but a snog involves two lots of saliva, doesn't it?

[Kizzy]

The spitting was pretty nasty but I wouldn't think of it as a very serious crime. The idea of seeking medical advice seemed out of character for the BB staff when you consider the countless examples of strangers who have exchanged bodily fluids on the show previously. They may have done it willingly but a snog involves two lots of saliva, doesn't it?

Spitting at someone is assault and you will be arrested.

[Robodog]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

Good points.

Suppressing people's view points will not solve anything, it will only make things worse. Views need to be challenged as you say. Only through education can we make a difference. Silencing people and punishing them for their views is what happens in oppressive regimes.

Let people have their disagreeable views and let those views be challenged with reason, compassion and truth. That will enable people to change, it will enable evolution of thought and then eventually real racism/prejudice will be consigned to the past where it belongs.

[wendywillow]

im blaming social media. why cant people watch a show and just say "ok, that guys an idiot" and move on. why must you have him removed/fired/fined etc because you dont agree with what he says. people were offended? who decides whats offensive? where does it end? bbusa has become boring because people are afraid to say anything. at least bbuk had some freedom, sheesh