Is Heavy D a Victim and why ?

[hot2go]

Poor Heavy D, poor poor poor Heavy D ..,, Christ anyone would think he was a Victorian Child with two weeks to live... He's a wind up just like Bear ... Not my choice, I prefer Bears version, but each to their own.. But people saying he's a victim is as ridiculous as saying Bear is a victim.... They are both agitators who deserve more retaliation than they are currently receiving from some of those dreary pathetic housemates.
If Heavy D comes out a victim and Bear comes out a Wind Up then Heavys fans will have done him a great injustice IMO....

[chuff me dizzy]

Is he chufferslike a victim,hes a nasty, loud mouthed arrogant twat !!

[Liam-]

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

[DanielM787]

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

:worship:

[Cherie]

He is not a victim per we because he stands up for himself, and he seems to have developed deflection tactics, however some people in there have tried to bully him because he is a rather isolated figure and an easy target as he can be very annoying

[Mick]

I feel a very interesting HM who i still cannot figure out.Sometimes i think Sad Clown but other occasions is it all a "smart" game play.I have not watched his TV program how does he appear on that.?

[chuff me dizzy]

I feel a very interesting HM who i still cannot figure out.Sometimes i think Sad Clown but other occasions is it all a "smart" game play.I have not watched his TV program how does he appear on that.?

100% Gameplay

[Yaki da]

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

Wasn't he good friends with them just a few days ago? How has he been relentlessly bullied by them?

I seem to recall Lewis, Bear and Heavy D hounding James in the kitchen knowing full well it was getting on his tits.

I also see that Heavy D has continually been getting Saira's name wrong (almost certainly on purpose) and then just laughs in her face when she tells him to stop.

Could it not be the case that because some of you here believe Heavy D is slightly retarded you just label him a victim even when at times he actually looks to be quite aggressive and obnoxious himself?

[joeysteele]

I think he brings his isolation at times on himself.

Such as last night he was really annoying too.
Saira was talking to Bear but he kept sticking his nose in with comments.
He continued even after she told him not to and that she was only talking to Bear.
He also, in my view, is not a victim at all although he plays on being one.

As to why he acts like he does,just as with a good number of them in there, to probably get airtime.

[chuff me dizzy]

Wasn't he good friends with them just a few days ago? How has he been relentlessly bullied by them?

I seem to recall Lewis, Bear and Heavy D hounding James in the kitchen knowing full well it was getting on his tits.

I also see that Heavy D has continually been getting Saira's name wrong (almost certainly on purpose) and then just laughs in her face when she tells him to stop.

Could it not be the case that because some of you here believe Heavy D is slightly retarded you just label him a victim even when at times he actually looks to be quite aggressive and obnoxious himself?

:clap1: He plays on the "Im a thicko " act and its working !!

[Cherie]

I think he brings his isolation at times on himself.

Such as last night he was really annoying too.
Saira was talking to Bear but he kept sticking his nose in with comments.
He continued even after she told him not to and that she was only talking to Bear.
He also, in my view, is not a victim at all although he plays on being one.

As to why he acts like he does,just as with a good number of them in there, to probably get airtime.

She sat down in the smoking group, if she wanted to address Bears chance of winning on a one to one she should have taken him aside, she didn't like Heavy pointing out that she shouldn't really be concerned about Bear winning which of course she isn't really, so she hated him for vocalising it, and for someone who says others are rude she rudely shut him down, she puts herself and her actions on a higher pedestal when in reality she is no different and has the same reactions as others do in there

[Robodog]

I am the first one to moan about the over use of the words victim and bully (especially on BB) but..

Lewis making Heavy D beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass of stolen wine - that was deliberate intimidation and bullying behaviour from Lewis, aimed intentionally at making Heavy feel and look small.

Saira standing over Heavy with her foot on his bed, ignoring him when he asked her to leave him alone and saying 'i can go where i like, what you gonna do about it', then threatening to burst his balloon, intimidating him, making him say what she wanted to hear including 'say my name SAY MY NAME' (even though she called him Bear in the same convo) - THAT was also intimidating, bullying behaviour, designed to make him feel small.

Heavy is annoying and is not acting the victim at all. But he has been repeatedly talked to and treated like dirt by both Lewis and Saira.

It's best not to pigeon hole people as 'bullies and victims', it's not black and white, we are all capable of being good and bad. But there is certain behaviour that is out of order and crosses the line.

So far Lewis and Saira have acted in a way designed to intimidate and cause deliberate upset to others. Particularly they have aimed this cruelty at Heavy D.

[chuff me dizzy]

I am the first one to moan about the over use of the words victim and bully (especially on BB) but..

Lewis making Heavy D beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass of stolen wine - that was deliberate intimidation and bullying behaviour from Lewis, aimed intentionally at making Heavy feel and look small.

Saira standing over Heavy with her foot on his bed, ignoring him when he asked her to leave him alone and saying 'i can go where i like, what you gonna do about it', then threatening to burst his balloon, intimidating him, making him say what she wanted to hear including 'say my name SAY MY NAME' (even though she called him Bear in the same convo) - THAT was also intimidating, bullying behaviour, designed to make him feel small.

Heavy is annoying and is not acting the victim at all. But he has been repeatedly talked to and treated like dirt by both Lewis and Saira.

It's best not to pigeon hole people as 'bullies and victims', it's not black and white, we are all capable of being good and bad. But there is certain behaviour that is out of order and crosses the line.

So far Lewis and Saira have acted in a way designed to intimidate and cause deliberate upset to others. Particularly they have aimed this cruelty at Heavy D.

Hes a grown man and should have been taught manners when he was 2 yrs old, i would NEVER give someone something without they said Thank you

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's been relentlessly bullied by Bear and his gang of thugs, so yes he's a victim, but I like that he doesn't act like one.

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[joeysteele]

She sat down in the smoking group, if she wanted to address Bears chance of winning on a one to one she should have taken him aside, she didn't like Heavy pointing out that she shouldn't really be concerned about Bear winning which of course she isn't really, so she hated him for vocalising it, and for someone who says others are rude she rudely shut him down, she puts herself and her actions on a higher pedestal when in reality she is no different and has the same reactions as others do in there

Oh I agree mostly.
However even if I am out with Friends at a club, pub or restaurant and 2 of them are talking directly to each other, I would not butt in the conversation unless asked to or was asked for my opinion.

Just as I would not expect any of them to butt into mine,were talking directly to another person there.

[jaxie]

I don't think Heavy D is a victim, no. If it wasn't for Chloe and jealousy he would have been right in there with Bear and Lewis terrorising the house. I don't think he has many mates either but he is a provocative person and can't seem to stop once he starts. He's also coming over as really dim, maybe that's where all the sympathy is directed.

I don't think for one minute that Lewis and Bear's friendship is that genuine either, they both recognise that an alliance suits them now. If it stopped suiting them, watch them go straight for each others throats.

[joeysteele]

Hes a grown man and should have been taught manners when he was 2 yrs old, i would NEVER give someone something without they said Thank you

Agreed again.
I would never have got anything if I didn't say please and thank you.
It is the very basic of good manners to say them.
I would never not use them.

[Cherie]

Oh I agree mostly.
However even if I am out with Friends at a club, pub or restaurant and 2 of them are talking directly to each other, I would not butt in the conversation unless asked to or was asked for my opinion.

Just as I would not expect any of them to butt into mine,were talking directly to another person there.

They weren't having a two way conversation though Saira was just lecturing Bear on her winning techniques :laugh:


Not a peep on LW about Saira I guess they are embarrassed

[jaxie]

They weren't having a two way conversation though Saira was just lecturing Bear on her winning techniques :laugh:


Not a peep on LW about Saira I guess they are embarrassed

I noticed that re LW. I am wondering if Saira is actually tanking her own career the longer she stays in the house. :shrug:

[Cal.]

I don't see that he's a victim at all?

[Cherie]

I noticed that re LW. I am wondering if Saira is actually tanking her own career the longer she stays in the house. :shrug:

I rarely watch it now but I remember when Coleen was in the house and on DOI they were always bigging her up and Denise

[sampvt]

He is not a victim per we because he stands up for himself, and he seems to have developed deflection tactics, however some people in there have tried to bully him because he is a rather isolated figure and an easy target as he can be very annoying

I hated him on storage hunters but find his antics on here mildly amusing. Wouldn't ask him to dinner but I like his wind ups. Backed him at big odds as well.

[hot2go]

Wasn't he good friends with them just a few days ago? How has he been relentlessly bullied by them?

I seem to recall Lewis, Bear and Heavy D hounding James in the kitchen knowing full well it was getting on his tits.

I also see that Heavy D has continually been getting Saira's name wrong (almost certainly on purpose) and then just laughs in her face when she tells him to stop.

Could it not be the case that because some of you here believe Heavy D is slightly retarded you just label him a victim even when at times he actually looks to be quite aggressive and obnoxious himself?

This is how I see it too....he's playing a character...A simpleton with a big body and a big heart....like everyone's favourite character in The Green Mile....and everyone is falling for it....or should I say a lot of people are falling for it...they are his housemates not his carers, I see no reason to treat him any differently and even less reason to not give him a taste of his own medicine like Saira did last night.....if Renee had done that to Bear I would have laughed like a drain, at both of them...I can't decide if labelling him a victim is an injustice to his image or if it's playing straight into his plan....either way I don't respect the claims about his victimisation.

[Garfie]

I feel a very interesting HM who i still cannot figure out.Sometimes i think Sad Clown but other occasions is it all a "smart" game play.I have not watched his TV program how does he appear on that.?

Yes, sad clown is a good observation. It's like the persona of the loud, annoying, fun-loving Heavy D has been created and is being used to protect the more vulnerable and isolated Colin. I believe a few people were suggesting something similar yesterday.

[Garfie]

She sat down in the smoking group, if she wanted to address Bears chance of winning on a one to one she should have taken him aside, she didn't like Heavy pointing out that she shouldn't really be concerned about Bear winning which of course she isn't really, so she hated him for vocalising it, and for someone who says others are rude she rudely shut him down, she puts herself and her actions on a higher pedestal when in reality she is no different and has the same reactions as others do in there

:clap1:

[Lostie!]

I can't really warm to Heavy D. He was a part of that group and got involved in their dickishness before they turned on him. :shrug:

[hot2go]

I can't really warm to Heavy D. He was a part of that group and got involved in their dickishness before they turned on him. :shrug:

He wasnt a victim when he was part of the wind up merchants group, or when he invaded James personal space, or when he told Saira she has her beak in everyone's business, or when he referred to Chloe as an inanimate object, or when he laughs in people's faces when they are offended, or when he made someone wash his dirty under wear, or when he BOOMS like a ****** when people have just got out of bed....
He's no more a victim than Bear is a victim

[jet]

I am the first one to moan about the over use of the words victim and bully (especially on BB) but..

Lewis making Heavy D beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass of stolen wine - that was deliberate intimidation and bullying behaviour from Lewis, aimed intentionally at making Heavy feel and look small.

Saira standing over Heavy with her foot on his bed, ignoring him when he asked her to leave him alone and saying 'i can go where i like, what you gonna do about it', then threatening to burst his balloon, intimidating him, making him say what she wanted to hear including 'say my name SAY MY NAME' (even though she called him Bear in the same convo) - THAT was also intimidating, bullying behaviour, designed to make him feel small.

Heavy is annoying and is not acting the victim at all. But he has been repeatedly talked to and treated like dirt by both Lewis and Saira.

It's best not to pigeon hole people as 'bullies and victims', it's not black and white, we are all capable of being good and bad. But there is certain behaviour that is out of order and crosses the line.

So far Lewis and Saira have acted in a way designed to intimidate and cause deliberate upset to others. Particularly they have aimed this cruelty at Heavy D.

Thank you. Just because Heavy D can be annoying isn't a reason why it's okay to bully him. People who aren't disgusted at the behaviour of Lewis and Siara towards him must have a very low opinion of themselves because it seems it wouldn't bother them to be treated that way themselves but would make excuses for their tormentor. How sad and revealing.
Or alternatively they are just being deliberately obtuse. :smug:

[jet]

Hes a grown man and should have been taught manners when he was 2 yrs old, i would NEVER give someone something without they said Thank you

So theoretically if you stole more than your share of alcohol and someone begged you for a glass you wouldn't give it to them if they didn't say thank you? You would consider it bad manners on their behalf to ask for something which you stole off them in the first place.
I see. I'm getting you. :smug:

[hot2go]

I think it's a misconception that by not defending Heavy D people are in turn defending Lewis....they each cut their own path to the aggressive situation in the garden, they were as bad as each other .... there aren't many who like Lewis any more than they like Heavy....In fact Heavy has way more support and followers....I think Heavy started that evenings resentment when he earlier offended Saira, Lewis then defended Saira and told Heavy he thought he was a really nasty man. Heavy had clearly got Lewis' back up, which, like Bear, he is very good at. Lewis then retaliated with the drinks situation and then Heavy retaliated by calling Marnie a liar.
Two people having an argument does not constitute bullying. Heavy D is an agitator not a victim of bullying. When housemates react to being wound up by Bear we don't accuse them of bullying him, so why do we do that with Heavy D ?

[chuff me dizzy]

So theoretically if you stole more than your share of alcohol and someone begged you for a glass you wouldn't give it to them if they didn't say thank you? You would consider it bad manners on their behalf to ask for something which you stole off them in the first place.
I see. I'm getting you. :smug:

It wasn't Ds wine ,and yes under any circumstance you say Thank you and please

[hot2go]

It wasn't Ds wine ,and yes under any circumstance you say Thank you and please

Did you get the impression that Heavy D never or hardly ever says please or thank you and on that night Lewis had reached his tolerance level with Heavys ignorance ?
I know Lewis had earlier been in the diary room saying that he found Heavy D bad mannered, lazy and greedy. And earlier Heavy has upset Saira while in the company of Lewis.
And for sure, Heavy D didn't say please or thank you when he asked for and was given the wine....and the fact they had stolen it makes no difference cause he didn't know that at the time..

[jet]

It wasn't Ds wine ,and yes under any circumstance you say Thank you and please

Under any circumstances? If someone stole more of the alcohol than they were entitled to, and you asked them for a glass which YOU were perfectly entitled to, you would say thank you to them for deigning to give you a half empty glass? Well well, I never thought of you as the cap doffing type. You are so feisty online too. :shocked:

[chuff me dizzy]

Did you get the impression that Heavy D never or hardly ever says please or thank you and on that night Lewis had reached his tolerance level with Heavys ignorance ?
I know Lewis had earlier been in the diary room saying that he found Heavy D bad mannered, lazy and greedy. And earlier Heavy has upset Saira while in the company of Lewis.
And for sure, Heavy D didn't say please or thank you when he asked for and was given the wine....and the fact they had stolen it makes no difference cause he didn't know that at the time..

I heard someone else tell him to say thank you the other day,maybe he thinks his size and thug behaviour excuses him having no manners

[jet]

Did you get the impression that Heavy D never or hardly ever says please or thank you and on that night Lewis had reached his tolerance level with Heavys ignorance ?
I know Lewis had earlier been in the diary room saying that he found Heavy D bad mannered, lazy and greedy. And earlier Heavy has upset Saira while in the company of Lewis.
And for sure, Heavy D didn't say please or thank you when he asked for and was given the wine....and the fact they had stolen it makes no difference cause he didn't know that at the time..

He did.

[chuff me dizzy]

Under any circumstances? If someone stole more of the alcohol than they were entitled to, and you asked them for a glass which YOU were perfectly entitled to, you would say thank you to them for deigning to give you a half empty glass? Well well, I never thought of you as the cap doffing type. You are so feisty online too. :shocked:

Yes I would because Ive been brought up,not dragged up like he's seems to have been

[jet]

I heard someone else tell him to say thank you the other day,maybe he thinks his size and thug behaviour excuses him having no manners

Bear isn't that big.

[hot2go]

He did.

I would def have to watch again before taking your word in this one....maybe you're right but how I remember it Heavy only became aware of the hidden wine when Marnie went back for a second glass...and that was after the situation where Lewis point out Heavys lack of manners. I was sure it was the first glass of wine where that all started.

[jet]

Yes I would because Ive been brought up,not dragged up like he's seems to have been

You are such a joker. :joker::joker::joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

I would def have to watch again before taking your word in this one....maybe you're right but how I remember it Heavy only became aware of the hidden wine when Marnie went back for a second glass...and that was after the situation where Lewis point out Heavys lack of manners. I was sure it was the first glass of wine where that all started.

Yes ,thats what happened

[chuff me dizzy]

Under any circumstances? If someone stole more of the alcohol than they were entitled to, and you asked them for a glass which YOU were perfectly entitled to, you would say thank you to them for deigning to give you a half empty glass? Well well, I never thought of you as the cap doffing type. You are so feisty online too. :shocked:

Feisty and rude are 2 different things

[hot2go]

I heard someone else tell him to say thank you the other day,maybe he thinks his size and thug behaviour excuses him having no manners

He has no manners the way he talks over people who are in conversations that don't involve him.....that, is what I find bad manners... and his lack of regard and respect for James and Grant while they nervously waited to hear their names last Friday showed how little consideration he has for people and what appalling manners he's got.

[chuff me dizzy]

He has no manners the way he talks over people who are in conversations that don't involve him.....that, is what I find bad manners... and his lack of regard and respect for James and Grant while they nervously waited to hear their names last Friday showed how little consideration he has for people and what appalling manners he's got.

Me too !! its all about him, a selfish,sly man who pretends to be a child

[jet]

Feisty and rude are 2 different things

I'm still picturing you doffing your cap and thanking someone for giving you some wine they stole for themselves that should have been shared with you and others. Well well. You timid little thing. You'd have thought it? :shocked::laugh:

[billy123]

Why does everyone have to be defined as either a bully or a victim? Its so stupid and is getting boring fast.

[hot2go]

Me too !! its all about him, a selfish,sly man who pretends to be a child

I was chastised so badly the other day for saying it's like watching a care in the community video ...when in fact, that is exactly what it looks like to me and exactly the image he creates on purpose.....everyone is making allowances for him like we do for children and adults who are less fortunate than ourselves....but he's neither, he's a grown bloke, with a strong body and a strong voice....the victim role is what's being projected onto him by people who create their own version of him but it's not really him....he knows exactly what he's doing just like Bear or Lewis or Saira .....

[Braden]

From what I've seen I do think he was a victim in the situation where Lewis and Marnie hid the alcohol, and he was treated horribly by Lewis in particular after he caught on to what they were doing.

I do, however, think that he's a wind-up merchant like you said. I'm not fond of him much. He can be equally as obnoxious as Bear at times.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why does everyone have to be defined as either a bully or a victim? Its so stupid and is getting boring fast.

:clap1: The B word is taken over from the R and H words !! so bloody boring

[chuff me dizzy]

I was chastised so badly the other day for saying it's like watching a care in the community video ...when in fact, that is exactly what it looks like to me and exactly the image he creates on purpose.....everyone is making allowances for him like we do for children and adults who are less fortunate than ourselves....but he's neither, he's a grown bloke, with a strong body and a strong voice....the victim role is what's being projected onto him by people who create their own version of him but it's not really him....he knows exactly what he's doing just like Bear or Lewis or Saira .....

He thinks the "Im a simpleton " vote will allow him the win ,how little does he know

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm still picturing you doffing your cap and thanking someone for giving you some wine they stole for themselves that should have been shared with you and others. Well well. You timid little thing. You'd have thought it? :shocked::laugh:

Please get back to discussing D and not me ...Thank you

[jet]

He has no manners the way he talks over people who are in conversations that don't involve him.....that, is what I find bad manners... and his lack of regard and respect for James and Grant while they nervously waited to hear their names last Friday showed how little consideration he has for people and what appalling manners he's got.

Yes, and Bear has so much consideration for others, has regard and respect for others, and has impeccable manners. I finally understand why you like him. NOT.
I just can't even.....

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes, and Bear has so much consideration for others, has regard and respect for others, and has impeccable manners. I finally understand why you like him. NOT.
I just can't even.....

At least he's funny and entertaining,he doesn't go about shouting BOOM thinking the public are so shallow they think its enough to win the show with

[hot2go]

He thinks the "Im a simpleton " vote will allow him the win ,how little does he know

I think it could sadly....people love a hard luck story and a victim....hence the complete over use and dilution of the word Bully.....som people are too fragile and sensitive to watch Big Brother, they should get Sky and watch re runs of the Waltons instead

[jet]

At least he's funny and entertaining,he doesn't go about shouting BOOM thinking the public are so shallow they think its enough to win the show with

Oh so it's okay to have no consideration or respect for others now as long as you're entertaining and funny. I thought you said good manners was the be all and end all. I can't keep up with your hopping all over the place. :conf:

[jet]

I think it's a misconception that by not defending Heavy D people are in turn defending Lewis....they each cut their own path to the aggressive situation in the garden, they were as bad as each other .... there aren't many who like Lewis any more than they like Heavy....In fact Heavy has way more support and followers....I think Heavy started that evenings resentment when he earlier offended Saira, Lewis then defended Saira and told Heavy he thought he was a really nasty man. Heavy had clearly got Lewis' back up, which, like Bear, he is very good at. Lewis then retaliated with the drinks situation and then Heavy retaliated by calling Marnie a liar.
Two people having an argument does not constitute bullying. Heavy D is an agitator not a victim of bullying. When housemates react to being wound up by Bear we don't accuse them of bullying him, so why do we do that with Heavy D ?

Watch re - runs with an open mind.

[hot2go]

Watch re - runs with an open mind.

Have no idea what that means .... Prob cause you often pull out a random sentence so it changes its meaning while at the same time not actually responding to the post as a whole,....tbh I find it a bit childish when it's done so often by same people and would prefer or more considered and complete reaction to the complete post.

[jet]

Have no idea what that means .... Prob cause you often pull out a random sentence so it changes its meaning while at the same time not actually responding to the post as a whole,....tbh I find it a bit childish when it's done so often by same people and would prefer or more considered and complete reaction to the complete post.

It means you are saying things in your post which you are seeing from the perspective that you don't like Heavy and are therefore unwilling to see that he was bullied on that occasion (which most of us can) and if you can manage to watch the footage again with an open mind you might realise that. :shrug:

[hot2go]

It means you are saying things in your post which you are seeing from the perspective that you don't like Heavy and are therefore unwilling to see that he was bullied on that occasion (which most of us can) and if you can manage to watch the footage again with an open mind you might realise that. :shrug:

But I don't agree with you....I don't like Heavy, Lewis or Marnie...so I think that makes me more objective than other people who like one or all of them...I also don't consider the start of the problems to be the point where Heavy wanted some wine, I have a more open mind about it and I looked at what was also taking place leading up to that point....Sairas indignation over Heavys remarks, Lewis' contempt for the way Heavy spoke to her...Lewis previous remark that heavy is greedy and bad mannered.
It's logical that there has to be a reason for the resentment that was already in place when the drinks came out....every action has a reaction and the root of that situation goes a lot further back then the point where Marnie and Lewis hid the drinks.
People act like he is suddenly being resented by housemates for no reason and therefore being bullied and I know that is absolute rubbish .....have they forgot what a pain in the arse he was with Bear the first week....what a pig he was to Chloe...how aggressive he got with Bear when he thought Bear has vandalised his bed. This is no poor put upon victim....this is someone who was in the gang of wind up merchants himself then exiled himself by being a prick and now looks like a victim.
At least my villain of choice is accountable for it and owns it...

[Withano]

To be fair, Bear has genuinely victimised everybody in the house. I think Heavy has got it the worse.

Also these sort of threads should be closed. Why would you ask a question and argue at the answers.

[jet]

But I don't agree with you....I don't like Heavy, Lewis or Marnie...so I think that makes me more objective than other people who like one or all of them...I also don't consider the start of the problems to be the point where Heavy wanted some wine, I have a more open mind about it and I looked at what was also taking place leading up to that point....Sairas indignation over Heavys remarks, Lewis' contempt for the way Heavy spoke to her...Lewis previous remark that heavy is greedy and bad mannered.
It's logical that there has to be a reason for the resentment that was already in place when the drinks came out....every action has a reaction and the root of that situation goes a lot further back then the point where Marnie and Lewis hid the drinks.
People act like he is suddenly being resented by housemates for no reason and therefore being bullied and I know that is absolute rubbish .....have they forgot what a pain in the arse he was with Bear the first week....what a pig he was to Chloe...how aggressive he got with Bear when he thought Bear has vandalised his bed. This is no poor put upon victim....this is someone who was in the gang of wind up merchants himself then exiled himself by being a prick and now looks like a victim.
At least my villain of choice is accountable for it and owns it...

So are you saying that because Lewis didn't like the way Heavy spoke to Siara, it was okay for Lewis to bully him?

Are you saying that it is not okay for him to say what he did to Chloe, yet okay for Bear to treat her badly and to cheat on his GF and dump her on national TV?

Are you saying it wasn't understandable why he got aggressive with Bear when he thought he had vandalised his bed, even though Bear had been messing around and pranking non - stop?

Are you saying that Heavy has to be perfect and do nothing wrong ever, while Bear gets away with being a selfish, unpleasant, irritating cheater with no respect for women?

You list the few things that Heavy has done that has affected the HM's.
Why don't you make a list of all the things Bear has done that has affected them?

[hot2go]

Yes, and Bear has so much consideration for others, has regard and respect for others, and has impeccable manners. I finally understand why you like him. NOT.
I just can't even.....

You're missing the point....Bear and Heavy are the same but one is good at it and one isn't...and one is owning it and one isn't....when people go for Bear because he annoys them why don't you call them bullies......don't you get it ?
I don't think anyone are bullies but if that's the term you like so much then let's use it....
One of the Bullies has upset the other bullies and now he's on his own....

Am I shocked...No
Do I feel Sorry for him - No

[hot2go]

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

[jet]

You're missing the point....Bear and Heavy are the same but one is good at it and one isn't...and one is owning it and one isn't....when people go for Bear because he annoys them why don't you call them bullies......don't you get it ?
I don't think anyone are bullies but if that's the term you like so much then let's use it....
One of the Bullies has upset the other bullies and now he's on his own....

Am I shocked...No
Do I feel Sorry for him - No

When did anyone steal drink which Bear was entitled to and make him beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass?
When did anyone stand over him with a foot on his bed and demand he tell them nice things about themselves and make him repeat their name over and over? I haven't seen anyone try to demean and humiliate him like that...

Heavy doesn't antagonise and poke and prod people for sheer badness and nothing like to the extent that Bear does, there very often is truth in what he says, (like what he said about Siara poking her nose in). Bear goes out of his way to get people riled up and angry and yet I haven't seen him being bullied.... He and Lewis were picking on and trying to demean Heavy from Day one, that seems to be forgotten now.
Tell me when Bear was bullied several times, demeaned and degraded on a par with what has been inflicted on Heavy.

[jet]

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

How can Bear be seen as a victim when hasn't been bullied?

What you are saying is nobody should ever complain when someone is being humiliated and demeaned because that will make people call them a victim....just say nothing...let it carry on and look away....

I really can't go on debating with you, I'm feeling quite sick now.

[Dia]

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

[jet]

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

He didn't force her. But he was wrong to do that. I think we all agreed on that. Yuck!

[chuff me dizzy]

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

Even placid james ranted about him when he nominated him ,and if he can get on laid back James nerves can you imagine what he's like if you're NOT laid back ?

[rubymoo]

I wouldn't say he was a victim, he can more than hold his own! I think he's a wind up but there's more of a soul in him than in bear, I think what he gives out he's got back, and I think there's more to him than meets the eye, I think his loud persona hides a very sad man with low esteem.

[chuff me dizzy]

Just look and listen to the sheer ignorance of this pratt ,and waiting for the pity chasing "Im the underdog" getting dropped into it

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/heavy-and-lewis-are-it-again-day-13

[Yaki da]

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

After calling her "IT!"

[hot2go]

When did anyone steal drink which Bear was entitled to and make him beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass?
When did anyone stand over him with a foot on his bed and demand he tell them nice things about themselves and make him repeat their name over and over? I haven't seen anyone try to demean and humiliate him like that...

Heavy doesn't antagonise and poke and prod people for sheer badness and nothing like to the extent that Bear does, there very often is truth in what he says, (like what he said about Siara poking her nose in). Bear goes out of his way to get people riled up and angry and yet I haven't seen him being bullied.... He and Lewis were picking on and trying to demean Heavy from Day one, that seems to be forgotten now.
Tell me when Bear was bullied several times, demeaned and degraded on a par with what has been inflicted on Heavy.

Someone should be winding bear up and confronting him, he deserves it same as Heavy does...I don't know why he's escaped that....like I said tho, Heavy and Bear both started out being as bad as each other but Bear is better at it and Heavy has now found himself on the outside....a big reason for that was how he treated Chloe and how he reacted when she rejected him....Lewis and Bear weren't picking on Heavy from day one it was Heavy and Bear that were the double act and Heavy loved it....ask James....I am not trying to say Bear is an angel I'm trying to say that neither is Heavy.... I know what a wind up and little sh-t bear is but people don't think that Heavy is and that I don't get cause I see very little difference. If people like heavy because he's a wind up merchant than that makes sense, it's def the reason I like watching Bear...but if I kept trying to tell people I like Bear cause he's a nice lad and he's a victim it would make no sense...so when people say that about Heavy it makes no sense to me.

[chuff me dizzy]

Someone should be winding bear up and confronting him, he deserves it same as Heavy does...I don't know why he's escaped that....like I said tho, Heavy and Bear both started out being as bad as each other but Bear is better at it and Heavy has now found himself on the outside....a big reason for that was how he treated Chloe and how he reacted when she rejected him....Lewis and Bear weren't picking on Heavy from day one it was Heavy and Bear that were the double act and Heavy loved it....ask James....I am not trying to say Bear is an angel I'm trying to say that neither is Heavy.... I know what a wind up and little sh-t bear is but people don't think that Heavy is and that I don't get cause I see very little difference. If people like heavy because he's a wind up merchant than that makes sense, it's def the reason I like watching Bear...but if I kept trying to tell people I like Bear cause he's a nice lad and he's a victim it would make no sense...so when people say that about Heavy it makes no sense to me.

Difference being Bear is funny D is not

[rubymoo]

Just look and listen to the sheer ignorance of this pratt ,and waiting for the pity chasing "Im the underdog" getting dropped into it

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/heavy-and-lewis-are-it-again-day-13

:joker:

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points:hehe: whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites:wavey:

[rubymoo]

Someone should be winding bear up and confronting him, he deserves it same as Heavy does...I don't know why he's escaped that....like I said tho, Heavy and Bear both started out being as bad as each other but Bear is better at it and Heavy has now found himself on the outside....a big reason for that was how he treated Chloe and how he reacted when she rejected him....Lewis and Bear weren't picking on Heavy from day one it was Heavy and Bear that were the double act and Heavy loved it....ask James....I am not trying to say Bear is an angel I'm trying to say that neither is Heavy.... I know what a wind up and little sh-t bear is but people don't think that Heavy is and that I don't get cause I see very little difference. If people like heavy because he's a wind up merchant than that makes sense, it's def the reason I like watching Bear...but if I kept trying to tell people I like Bear cause he's a nice lad and he's a victim it would make no sense...so when people say that about Heavy it makes no sense to me.

It's because everyone is afraid of him.

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker:

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points:hehe: whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites:wavey:

Ricky an underdog ? hes fav to win and SO bloody arrogant ,he's attached himself to the sink to stop himself getting nominated and kissed everyones arses ,he's FAR from the underdog IMO James is that

[rubymoo]

Ricky an underdog ? hes fav to win and SO bloody arrogant ,he's attached himself to the sink to stop himself getting nominated and kissed everyones arses ,he's FAR from the underdog IMO James is that

Is he! I didn't know that:hee:

Not worth putting a bet on now then is it:(

[chuff me dizzy]

Is he! I didn't know that:hee:

Not worth putting a bet on now then is it:(

http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/big-brother/celebrity-big-brother/winner

[jet]

Difference being Bear is funny D is not

It's the other way around for me. I don't find vindictiveness or cruelty funny.

[jet]

:joker:

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points:hehe: whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites:wavey:

Loving Ricky! He's fast becoming my favourite too.

[empire]

lewis was warned about isolating people right up to the whole booze bust up, heavy d has tried to tell bear a few times that lewis is egging him on because he knows bear wants marnie for himself, bear lacks the brain cells to understand that, and he is like a child who will just press a button, lewis has to go because he acts like he is god's gift to women, and heavy should stay for another week, but that's it, because heavy has no friends in there, and knowone confronted lewis about the booze being hidden, its pretty clear that heavy is not having a good time in their, and he separates himself from the others, because they aren't his type of people to make friends with, ricky is the only one who understands him because both are from the same walk of street life,

[Jan S]

It's the other way around for me. I don't find vindictiveness or cruelty funny.
never have, never will :wavey:
Loving Ricky! He's fast becoming my favourite too.
he's mine





as to the whole victim thing: lewis/marney/bear have all attempted to victimise him and he'd still be allowed in their gang if he would take the verbal whippings like a good fag (public school reference, peeps, nothing to do with homosexuality!). they HATE the fact he's not to be browbeaten, doesn't know his place, offends them by even breathing the same air as them and having the temerity to believe he's on the same level as they are.

lewis is the biggest bully in the house, with the others following his suit. i LOVE that colin refuses to allow them to have the effect on him they want. he's a loose cannon not playing the role they think he should.

however, the fact that he doesn't allow them to make him a victim doesn't mean they're not trying their damndest.

[jet]

never have, never will :wavey:

he's mine





as to the whole victim thing: lewis/marney/bear have all attempted to victimise him and he'd still be allowed in their gang if he would take the verbal whippings like a good fag (public school reference, peeps, nothing to do with homosexuality!). they HATE the fact he's not to be browbeaten, doesn't know his place, offends them by even breathing the same air as them and having the temerity to believe he's on the same level as they are.

lewis is the biggest bully in the house, with the others following his suit. i LOVE that colin refuses to allow them to have the effect on him they want. he's a loose cannon not playing the role they think he should.

however, the fact that he doesn't allow them to make him a victim doesn't mean they're not trying their damndest.

Tell it like it is Jan. Brilliant post!

[starry]

Ricky is sly as hell.

This thread is meant to be about Heavy D, even though he can be inarticulate he's shown he isn't the joke that Bear and his gang wanted to make him out to be. He's stood up to that group and exposed what idiots they are. And Chloe just reveals how stupid she is too.

[Vicky.]

I must have missed something, besides Saira telling him he is too fat to exercise and bear ****ing the girl he fancies, what wrongs have been done to him?

Edit. Forgot that Lewis guy nicking his drink too actually

[BB247]

Poor Heavy D, poor poor poor Heavy D ..,, Christ anyone would think he was a Victorian Child with two weeks to live... He's a wind up just like Bear ... Not my choice, I prefer Bears version, but each to their own.. But people saying he's a victim is as ridiculous as saying Bear is a victim.... They are both agitators who deserve more retaliation than they are currently receiving from some of those dreary pathetic housemates.
If Heavy D comes out a victim and Bear comes out a Wind Up then Heavys fans will have done him a great injustice IMO....

He's much slyer than bear. He tries to get people so angry that they get aggresive and want to fight and then get the person chucked out and crying he's the victim - I don't like him

[BB247]

Loving Ricky! He's fast becoming my favourite too.

Ricky who? Oh you mean the invisable man:joker:

[Yaki da]

I must have missed something, besides Saira telling him he is too fat to exercise and bear ****ing the girl he fancies, what wrongs have been done to him?

Edit. Forgot that Lewis guy nicking his drink too actually

Nothing has been done to him. people are bored with hating on Bear so they've moved on to Lewis and they have to turn him into the devil to justify the non stop criticism.

They're making me like Lewis just because of the absurdity of it all.

[hot2go]

He's much slyer than bear. He tries to get people so angry that they get aggresive and want to fight and then get the person chucked out and crying he's the victim - I don't like him

I think this too....Bear is trying to get a reaction but Heavy is trying to make people aggressive ...I've always thought there is more malice behind Heavys wind ups than there is behind Bears.