Friendly reminder that VTS kills this show.

[Shaun]

:)

[Black Dagger]

Yep. Why did I ever champion it.

It's had probably one good result ever when the Shannon Twins stayed over Kirk and Natalie Cassidy and we've been living off it ever since.

[Firewire]

I actually have no desire to continue with this ****-show.

[Pete.]

Yep in 2016 VTE is the better format

Bear should have gone!

[Black Dagger]

You could say ABCD worked as well, but one of Arron and Conor would have gone with vote to evict as well, probably Conor, so **** it.

[Drew.]

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar6064_355.gif

[Daniel.]

Tea, all the best series have had vote to evict. Vote to Save just keeps in annoying ***** who take away from the show because of a handful of obsessed fans

[Oaker]

the only time VTS worked well was when it saved Luisa from like 3 evictions in a row

[Macie Lightfoot]

but it keeps The Big Characters in!!!!!!!1111eleven

[Ross.]

It's ****

[thisisdanny]

But Bear would have gone in VTE and that would have been a travesty

[Jordan.]

The fact Jayne would have gone in a VTS out of the final 6 proves it's trash

[Babayaro.]

Trash result. Who the **** is voting for Lewis?!

[Shaun]

A complete collection of VTS Casualties That Should've Made The Final:

Cheryl Fergison - evicted over Coleen ****ing Nolan
Courtney Stodden & Louie Spence - evicted over Carol McGiffen and Vicky Entwhistle
Liz Jones - evicted over Sam Faiers and Jim Davidson
Leslie Jordan - evicted over Stephanie Pratt and Kellie Maloney (as well as many others but they'd have been safe in VTE)
Frenchy - evicted over Stephanie Pratt
Patsy Kensit - evicted over Cami Li.
Alicia Douvall - evicted over Perez and Nadia
Fatman Scoop - evicted over Stevi and ****ing Chloe
Janice Dickinson - evicted over Austin Armacost
Nancy Dell'Olio - evicted over Stephanie, Jeremy and Gemma
Gemma Collins - evicted over Stephanie and Danniella (although I think she'd have gone in VTE anyway)

[MB.]

A complete collection of VTS Casualties That Should've Made The Final:

Cheryl Fergison - evicted over Coleen ****ing Nolan
Courtney Stodden & Louie Spence - evicted over Carol McGiffen and Vicky Entwhistle
Liz Jones - evicted over Sam Faiers and Jim Davidson
Leslie Jordan - evicted over Stephanie Pratt and Kellie Maloney (as well as many others but they'd have been safe in VTE)
Frenchy - evicted over Stephanie Pratt
Patsy Kensit - evicted over Cami Li.
Alicia Douvall - evicted over Perez and Nadia
Fatman Scoop - evicted over Stevi and ****ing Chloe
Janice Dickinson - evicted over Austin Armacost
Nancy Dell'Olio - evicted over Stephanie, Jeremy and Gemma
Gemma Collins - evicted over Stephanie and Danniella (although I think she'd have gone in VTE anyway)

I think you can tell at which point I stopped reading this post

(other than that, I fully agree)

[Cal.]

Was gonna mention Jasmine Lennard and Julie Goodyear but both would have gone in VTE as well because most of the time the voting public is ****ing trash.

They should let me decide who goes.

[thisisdanny]

A complete collection of VTS Casualties That Should've Made The Final:

Cheryl Fergison - evicted over Coleen ****ing Nolan
Courtney Stodden & Louie Spence - evicted over Carol McGiffen and Vicky Entwhistle
Liz Jones - evicted over Sam Faiers and Jim Davidson
Leslie Jordan - evicted over Stephanie Pratt and Kellie Maloney (as well as many others but they'd have been safe in VTE)
Frenchy - evicted over Stephanie Pratt
Patsy Kensit - evicted over Cami Li.
Alicia Douvall - evicted over Perez and Nadia
Fatman Scoop - evicted over Stevi and ****ing Chloe
Janice Dickinson - evicted over Austin Armacost
Nancy Dell'Olio - evicted over Stephanie, Jeremy and Gemma
Gemma Collins - evicted over Stephanie and Danniella (although I think she'd have gone in VTE anyway)

Cheryl, Patsy, Scoop and Nancy were yawn.

[Jordan.]

Liz Jones - evicted over Sam Faiers and Jim Davidson

http://i.imgur.com/yXgozkbs.jpg

[Oaker]

Frenchy going over like 5 other people is the result that pissed me off the most

[Cal.]

Wouldn't Frenchy have gone anyway? She wasn't popular at all outside this forum.

[Shaun]

Cheryl, Patsy, Scoop and Nancy were yawn.

http://klassykinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/rhoa-phaedra-face.jpg

[Shaun]

Wouldn't Frenchy have gone anyway? She wasn't popular at all outside this forum.

I remember Stephanie getting the most boos the week she completely turned on Gary and think that's when Frenchy went so yeah it was a bit touch-and-go really.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Fatman Scoop - evicted over Stevi and ****ing Chloe

okay there's a lot more that I could pinpoint but Chloe-Jasmine is an international icon so you shut your ****ing mouth........x

[Greg!]

Both voting systems produce trash results, but vts is still better. There have been a lot worse results with vte than vts

[Shaun]

I mean we've just watched a normal series where 80-90% of the VTEs were righteous but ok

[Jake.]

I fail to see how VTS is the superior format.. The problem is the casting, not the voting system

[Oaker]

Look at BB17 and what the results would have been in VTS and you'll see why VTE is better!

[Cal.]

Look at BB17 and what the results would have been in VTS and you'll see why VTE is better!

:clap1:

The only ones I hated were Charlie's and Laura's.

[LukeB]

Didn't Conor get saved on BB13?

[Shaun]

Didn't Conor get saved on BB13?

over Arron and Shievonne. Not hugely controversial decisions.

[MB.]

When he wasn't up against people nearly as terrible as him (Arron/Caroline/Victoria's eviction was so early that it didn't happen), Conor only got saved in a head-to-head in which case it didn't matter what voting system was used

[Oaker]

He got 80% to save vs Shievonne which was disgusting :umm2:

(The result would have been the same in VTE but it would have been closer)

[Greg!]

I mean we've just watched a normal series where 80-90% of the VTEs were righteous but ok

Andy should have gone over Georgina in week 3
Chelsea should have gone over Charlie week 4
Jason should have gone over Laura week 7

It's all a matter of perspective

[Ross.]

Obviously we can all agree the GC is the worst casualty of VTS, she was robbed of a place in the final </3

[Shaun]

Andy should have gone over Georgina in week 3

lol no

Chelsea should have gone over Charlie week 4

lol also no

Jason should have gone over Laura week 7

and lol also no (hi jackson!)

[Greg!]

Obviously we can all agree the GC is the worst casualty of VTS, she was robbed of a place in the final </3

She would have deffo still went in a VTE

[Oaker]

Georgina's eviction was actually amazing and in VTS it wouldn't have happened so

[Greg!]

lol no



lol also no



and lol also no (hi jackson!)

Like I said, it's all a matter of perspective :) both systems produce trash results, but in my opinion VTS usually produces better results

[Garfie]

Was gonna mention Jasmine Lennard and Julie Goodyear but both would have gone in VTE as well because most of the time the voting public is ****ing trash.

They should let me decide who goes.

:laugh:

[Greg!]

Georgina's eviction was actually amazing and in VTS it wouldn't have happened so

But Georgina was a good housemate so

[Jack_]

VTE kills it more

The real crux of the issue isn't the voting system, it's the voters. Clueless and shrouded in sexism and often latent racism. Which is why all their power should be rescinded :hehe:

[thisisdanny]

I mean we've just watched a normal series where 80-90% of the VTEs were righteous but ok

Tbf we only had 5 evictions voted by the public

[Oaker]

But Georgina was a good housemate so

she's one of C5's worst female housemates :shrug:

[Greg!]

she's one of C5's worst female housemates :shrug:

Okay

[Greg!]

VTE kills it more

The real crux of the issue isn't the voting system, it's the voters. Clueless and shrouded in sexism and often latent racism. Which is why all their power should be rescinded :hehe:

Cah do you know what I'm close to supporting the US format now after the vile public voted Saira out

[MB.]

Yeah BB17's boot order panned out the way it did thanks to circumstance and luck over anything else, but I don't think there's any denying that the first three evictions were one of the longest recent consecutive runs of good public decisions made on this show

[Oaker]

Reminder that if BB17 was VTS Emma, Natalie and Jayne would have been the first 3 boots

[Greg!]

Also Deana 100% would have gone in the ABCD eviction if it was vte so that's reason enough to support vts

[Oaker]

Also Deana 100% would have gone in the ABCD eviction if it was vte so that's reason enough to support vts

Deana wouldn't have gone over Arron

[Jack_]

Cah do you know what I'm close to supporting the US format now after the vile public voted Saira out

See that light :clap1:

[Black Dagger]

Georgina sucks

[Macie Lightfoot]

If BB13 had VTE the boot order would have been... pretty much the same?

[Oaker]

Yeah it annoys me when people use BB13 as a way to defend VTS because the only result that might have been different was the double eviction 3 days before the final which wouldn't have impacted the series anyway

[Amy Jade]

I hate VTS, they always use it on CBB I think because the celeb fans vote more?

[EspeonBB]

VTE is literally always better. Like if the past eviction had been VTE Bear would've gone and the series could've finally improved, but instead we're stuck with him until the final

[Headie]

Yep 2016 is the year of me realising that Vote to Save actually sucks (that's not to say Vote to Evict doesn't have its flaws but atm it is much better than VTS)

[joeysteele]

Sorry to disagree but I do.

Had this been vote to evict certainly likely Bear or even heavy D may have gone.

Love or hate them both are much bigger characters that Saira ever was or could have been.
Vote to evict would have likely got more voting to get Bear out,leaving his supporters unable to do anything.
I still prefer vote to save for the fact it allows the supporters of housemates to call the shots.

With them then having the chance to save their favourites, over perhaps organised voting to get behind voting a housemate out under vote to evict.

[user104658]

:joker: these threads as always are simply big boo-hoos if things don't go the way people want. Result you don't like from VTS? "Series ruined by VTS!". Result you don't like from VTE? "Why isn't it VTS?? Series ruined because boring characters stay!"

Just accept that not everyone has the same favourites as you :hee:

[susie q]

http://i.imgur.com/yXgozkbs.jpg

That was a travesty

[Shaun]

I've always been against VTS though :shrug: write it off as petty lashing out if you want but it's not a kneejerk reaction.

[joeysteele]

:joker: these threads as always are simply big boo-hoos if things don't go the way people want. Result you don't like from VTS? "Series ruined by VTS!". Result you don't like from VTE? "Why isn't it VTS?? Series ruined because boring characters stay!"

Just accept that not everyone has the same favourites as you :hee:

From first starting to watch BB,I have always preferred vote to save, even if that means my own favourites get little support.
I would rather that than have organised campaigns to vote one housemate out under vote to evict.

[user104658]

From first starting to watch BB,I have always preferred vote to save, even if that means my own favourites get little support.
I would rather that than have organised campaigns to vote one housemate out under vote to evict.
I see the logic and pretty much agree with it Joey... Even in concept it's "better" encouraging people to vote in support rather than, basically, out of spite (vte).

I tend not onto get too personally invested anyway, I'd prefer it just to stay as interesting as possible (e.g. Tonight is a good example; I personally can't stand Heavy D but am happy that Saira went rather than him, because there's more that interesting to watch with Heavy).

My main exception would be Helen Wood. I won money on her, but found her impossible to watch. Then again I'm a sucker for an Irish accent so...

[Mystic Mock]

Well VTS is on shows like TXF and IAC and I can only think of James Arthur and Leona Lewis that were decent winners from both shows combined.

So yeah BB is gonna have problems with VTS as the public vote on it.

Edit... the public like to watch entertaining Housemates/performers, but they'll never vote for them to win as the public vote on wholesome when they go to a public vote.

[Mystic Mock]

Andy should have gone over Georgina in week 3
Chelsea should have gone over Charlie week 4
Jason should have gone over Laura week 7

It's all a matter of perspective

1. Georgina was horrific, so I'm glad that she went and that it wasn't a VTS where Evelyn would've gone instead who I liked much more.

2. Chelsea was more entertaining so the right result happened there imo.

3. I totally agree with, but Jason won the series despite doing nothing all series so he was safe in both voting formats.

[Jason.]

Cah do you know what I'm close to supporting the US format now after the vile public voted Saira out

BBUS17 slays

[EspeonBB]

BBUS17 slays

BBUS16 and 18 though http://i.imgur.com/yXgozkbs.jpg

[minny03]

haha VTS is still better. It's unfortunate that 4 big characters were up for eviction this week and sadly Saira was a casualty, but VTS is the reason why the biggest villain on the show is still in the house. Lets face it, Bear is a talking point and is riling everyone up and he would've been evicted with VTE. And viewers want to see drama unfold. Are people tuning in to see a happy house?

VTE is boring and predictable. Seriously what is so exciting about it? With VTS, I had no clue who was going tonight. Honestly though, the show would be much better if the entire house was up with a VTS and it would be cool if a few people were given a chance to save themselves every week by taking part in challenges. And if everyone was up, then we would've gotten rid of Samantha and Ricky (because how many people would vote for them?) - although I don't actually mind them, but they have contributed the least.

Either way, the producers don't want to fully change the rules, so be it. But VTS is still beneficial because 80% of the time, it produces good results. With VTE, you know exactly who will be eliminated (the one who causes the most arguments/drama/controversy) and that is boring knowing that the biggest character will get evicted over the dull ones.

[reece(:]

If BB13 had VTE the boot order would have been... pretty much the same?
Lydia would've been gone week 1

[reece(:]

Yep 2016 is the year of me realising that Vote to Save actually sucks (that's not to say Vote to Evict doesn't have its flaws but atm it is much better than VTS)

Big John went on a Vote to save so it's a flop

[minny03]

Sorry to disagree but I do.

Had this been vote to evict certainly likely Bear or even heavy D may have gone.

Love or hate them both are much bigger characters that Saira ever was or could have been.
Vote to evict would have likely got more voting to get Bear out,leaving his supporters unable to do anything.
I still prefer vote to save for the fact it allows the supporters of housemates to call the shots.

With them then having the chance to save their favourites, over perhaps organised voting to get behind voting a housemate out under vote to evict.

Yassssss! Someone with some sense. I agree with you 100%.