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GiRTh
11-08-2016, 05:39 PM
Donald Trump calls Obama 'founder of ISIS'
Donald Trump on Wednesday repeatedly called President Barack Obama the "founder" of ISIS and labeled Hillary Clinton the "co-founder after which Clinton used his comments to say they show he is not fit to be president.
At a rally in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Trump also said that ISIS "honors" Obama -- who the GOP nominee referred to as "Barack Hussein Obama."
After lamenting the "mistake" the US made by going to war in Iraq -- a conflict he repeatedly says that he opposed, despite evidence to the contrary -- Trump then criticized Obama's attempts to "clean up."
"Normally you want to clean up; he made a bigger mess out of it. He made such a mess. And then you had Hillary with Libya, so sad," Trump said.
"In fact, in many respects, you know they honor president Obama. ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS, OK? He's the founder. He founded ISIS."
He then said that the "co-founder" of ISIS was Clinton.
Clinton campaign adviser Jake Sullivan on Thursday accused Trump of "echoing the talks of (Russian President Vladimir) Putin."
"This is another example of Donald Trump trash-talking the United States," Sullivan said in a statement. "It goes without saying that this is a false claim from a presidential candidate with an aversion to the truth and an unprecedented lack of knowledge."
In an interview and campaign event in Florida on Thursday, Trump doubled down on his comments.
"Oh boy, is ISIS hoping for her," Trump said during an appearance before home builders in Miami Beach, portraying Clinton as lazy. "ISIS will hand her the most valuable player award. Her only competition is Barack Obama."
"He was the founder of ISIS, absolutely," Trump said of Obama earlier on CNBC. "The way he removed our troops -- you shouldn't have gone in. I was against the war in Iraq. Totally against it."
"That mistake was made. It was a horrible mistake -- one of the worst mistakes in the history of our country. We destabilized the Middle East and we've been paying the price for it for years. He was the founder -- absolutely, the founder. In fact, in sports they have awards, he gets the most valuable player award. Him and Hillary. I mean she gets it, too. I gave them co-founder if you really looked at the speech."/
CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/trump-obama-isis/)
Pete.
11-08-2016, 05:40 PM
He's a FAD
Firewire
11-08-2016, 05:41 PM
I hope he gets the plague
arista
11-08-2016, 05:46 PM
Who Cares ... Girth?
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 05:46 PM
The latest in a line of gaffs by Trump since the convention. The fight woth the Khan family, Melanias 'dodgy' immigration status when she first started modelling in te US, refusing to endorse prominent Republicans like John McCain and Paul Ryan and when he finally endorsed them it was the most unconvincing public speech he's made so far in the campaign, implying that the 2nd Amendment people should 'take care' or Hillary - strange but the media seem to forget she made an equally disgusting comment about Obama in 2008 - and now this ludicrous suggestion the Obama founded ISIS.
The polls have Hillary with a 8 - 15 point lead across the board A lead this big is unprecedented in August. Obama had a lead of 8 over McCain in 2008 but he didnt get that until October. It has to be said that if Hillary was a better candidate them she might even have it sown up already.
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 05:47 PM
Who Cares ... Girth?Huh?!?!?! :shrug:
The Republican candidate is imploding. This is definitely news.
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 05:49 PM
Alright then if Arista is not happy then can a mod lock the thread.
kirklancaster
11-08-2016, 05:58 PM
Alright then if Arista is not happy then can a mod lock the thread.
:laugh: Uh? No Way. Arista might be just feeling a little grumpy.
I hope Grumpy doesn't mind. :laugh:
kirklancaster
11-08-2016, 06:02 PM
The latest in a line of gaffs by Trump since the convention. The fight woth the Khan family, Melanias 'dodgy' immigration status when she first started modelling in te US, refusing to endorse prominent Republicans like John McCain and Paul Ryan and when he finally endorsed them it was the most unconvincing public speech he's made so far in the campaign, implying that the 2nd Amendment people should 'take care' or Hillary - strange but the media seem to forget she made an equally disgusting comment about Obama in 2008 - and now this ludicrous suggestion the Obama founded ISIS.
The polls have Hillary with a 8 - 15 point lead across the board A lead this big is unprecedented in August. Obama had a lead of 8 over McCain in 2008 but he didnt get that until October. It has to be said that if Hillary was a better candidate them she might even have it sown up already.
You are correct Girth - This is news and Trump is imploding. I think that his cause is now a lost one.
arista
11-08-2016, 06:04 PM
Alright then if Arista is not happy then can a mod lock the thread.
Why lock this Thread?
Its TRUE
Trump said that
On all news
I am just saying who really cares?
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 06:04 PM
:laugh: Uh? No Way. Arista might be just feeling a little grumpy.
I hope Grumpy doesn't mind. :laugh:Arista Grumpy?
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 06:05 PM
Why lock this Thread?
Its TRUE
Trump said that
On all news
I am just saying who really cares?There have been a number of gaffs recently and to me this was the crazyiest so I started a thread. :shrug:
arista
11-08-2016, 06:05 PM
Huh?!?!?! :shrug:
The Republican candidate is imploding. This is definitely new.
Yes it was new many hours ago.
But nothing much has changed
arista
11-08-2016, 06:07 PM
There have been a number of gaffs recently and to me this was the crazyiest so I started a thread. :shrug:
Of course.
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 06:08 PM
You are correct Girth - This is news and Trump is imploding. I think that his cause is now a lost one.Agree. He's totally lost it. Surprised it took this long for people to realise.
Trumps campaign are already claiming the election is going to be fixed in November. Its getting crazier every day.
arista
11-08-2016, 06:08 PM
Arista Grumpy?
No its a Fun Day at Work
Crimson Dynamo
11-08-2016, 06:10 PM
wait he founded ISIS, him and crooked HC
It beggars belief that he has the brass neck to still be president after this, how can the president of the USA be involved with their enemy like this. Sickening.
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 06:13 PM
Of course.He said it yesterday :thumbs:
Crimson Dynamo
11-08-2016, 06:17 PM
if you strip away the inflammatory language
he may be right
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 06:18 PM
if you strip away the inflammatory language
he may be right:joker::joker::joker:
Go on, explain?
user104658
11-08-2016, 06:24 PM
Could have been falsely leaked by a terrorist
Crimson Dynamo
11-08-2016, 06:41 PM
:joker::joker::joker:
Go on, explain?
pulling out of iraq..
vacuum...
isis..
smudgie
11-08-2016, 06:45 PM
He better not win the presidency..something really nasty could happen to him.
No way will a loose cannon like him be allowed in charge.
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 07:21 PM
pulling out of iraq..
vacuum...
isis..He said ''the way' the troops were removed. As usual with Trump there is no explanation as to what he even means but if you think you know what he means then again can you explain?
The problem with Trump and backing anything he says is that, first not much of it actually makes sense and second, he's likely to contradict himself at anytime.
He said ''the way' the troops were removed. As usual with Trump there is no explanation as to what he even means but if you think you know what he means then again can you explain?
The problem with Trump and backing anything he says is that, first not much of it actually makes sense and second, he's likely to contradict himself at anytime.
pulling out of iraq..
vacuum...
isis..
Found this literally after I read LT's post. (Was on my daily jog for Donald Trump comedy)
Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a show transcript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"
Hewitt and Trump went back and forth after that, with Hewitt warning Trump that his critics would seize on his use of "founder" as more example of Trump being loose with words.
Clinton later hit back on Thursday on Twitter, saying it was Trump who was unfit to be president.
"It can be difficult to muster outrage as frequently as Donald Trump should cause it, but his smear against President Obama requires it," Clinton tweeted. "No, Barack Obama is not the founder of ISIS. ... Anyone willing to sink so low, so often should never be allowed to serve as our Commander-in-Chief."
Trump has been under near-constant scrutiny for his discussion of sensitive world events, with his opponents using favorable comments he's made toward Vladimir Putin and other dictators as evidence of misplaced priorities.
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, one of the most senior Republicans to oppose Trump, said her decision came down to Trump making the world a "more dangerous" place, in her estimation.
While Trump remains around 40% in national polling, Obama's approval rating was at 54% after the Democratic convention, according to CNN polling.
But the GOP nominee remained steadfast, saying it was "no mistake" what he said, standing by his labeling of the Democratic opponent as a "co-founder."
"Do you not like that?" Trump asked Hewitt.
"I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn't create ISIS. That's what I would say," Hewitt said.
"Well, I disagree," Trump replied, and Hewitt moved on.
In 2007, however, Trump actually supported a rapid withdrawal from Iraq, despite hitting Obama for his drawdown years later.
"You know how they get out? They get out," Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in 2007. "That's how they get out. Declare victory and leave, because I'll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They're in a civil war over there, Wolf. There's nothing that we're going to be able to do with a civil war. They are in a major civil war."
The comments from 2007 were resurfaced Thursday by Buzzfeed.
On Wednesday night, former ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul hit Trump on the comments, saying they mimicked Russian talking points designed to sow anger toward the US and the West.
"BTW, Trumps line that Obama founded ISIS echoes exactly a myth propagated by Russian state-controlled media and bloggers," McFaul tweeted.
Clinton's campaign also ripped Trump's comments as damaging to the country, in a statement from policy adviser Jake Sullivan.
"This is another example of Donald Trump trash-talking the United States," Sullivan said. "It goes without saying that this is a false claim from a presidential candidate with an aversion to the truth and an unprecedented lack of knowledge. What's remarkable about Trump's comments is that once again, he's echoing the talking points of Putin and our adversaries to attack American leaders and American interests, while failing to offer any serious plans to confront terrorism or make this country more secure."
Really want to go listen to this through YT or something, but CBB is coming on soon.
Donald Trump news and sound bytes are great to have as a sufferer of summertime insomnia.
Tom4784
11-08-2016, 07:38 PM
Keep these stories coming, he's imploding and it's glorious.
Shaun
11-08-2016, 07:41 PM
More fitting a title for Bush/Blair, really.
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 07:52 PM
More fitting a title for Bush/Blair, really.Exactly :thumbs:
And a fitting title for many prominent Republicans who voted for the war like Trumps proposed VP pick Mike Pence.
Mystic Mock
11-08-2016, 07:59 PM
Donald Trump has just turned into Donald Twat.
reece(:
11-08-2016, 08:44 PM
How is he continuously allowed to get away with this kind of hate crime?
Trump is correct in that the USA provided the environment for ISIS to flourish in. I would say it started with Bush, so time-line wise he is not very accurate, but successive US administrations have failed, that is beyond argument.
reece(:
11-08-2016, 08:53 PM
Donald Trump has just turned into Donald Twat.
JUST ?!
letmein
11-08-2016, 09:45 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplBFdHXEAAyJNi.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplBFdHXEAAyJNi.jpg
Buuuuuuuuurn...
Oh wow, literally.
:laugh:
GiRTh
11-08-2016, 11:50 PM
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Trump doubling down.
aRYDF86wWD0
Trump doubling down.
Almost five minutes of him interrupting and not letting the reporter talk :joker:
GiRTh
12-08-2016, 12:16 AM
Almost five minutes of him interrupting and not letting the reporter talk :joker:I wish the reporter would just tell him to shut up. He just went on and on. :joker:
I wish the reporter would just tell him to shut up. He just went on and on. :joker:
He does what I do when I get frustrated by people going on and on on the phone and won't let me get pertinent information. Fumble papers, rearrange sticky notes and play with other miscellaneous office supplies...
Niamh.
12-08-2016, 09:17 AM
What do you even say to that, there's something seriously wrong in the world if that man becomes president
Livia
12-08-2016, 10:41 AM
I've seen virtually that same statement on this forum lots of times. The West is responsible for all the terrorists, for all the atrocities, we brought it on ourselves.
arista
12-08-2016, 11:52 AM
What do you even say to that, there's something seriously wrong in the world if that man becomes president
If ClintonBitch messes up before Nov
Trump could Win
Never Rule it out.
Its Like Ronnie Reagan - the Actor
who became President (he was Great on spitting image)
Girth Himself said it would be Fun
if Trump was President
on one of my threads
I like a Big Change
money to be made
Tom4784
12-08-2016, 11:57 AM
I've seen virtually that same statement on this forum lots of times. The West is responsible for all the terrorists, for all the atrocities, we brought it on ourselves.
The west is responsible for the state of the middle east but that's different from stirring up hatred towards one person (whose administration wasn't even the catalyst for what the Middle East has become) by emphasizing his middle name to suggest a direct link to IS.
It's completely different, to suggest otherwise is to simplify it to a point where it no longer resembles the original intent.
Mystic Mock
12-08-2016, 11:57 AM
JUST ?!
Well his comments do make me laugh despite the horrific opinions on things so it gives him a slight pass for me compared to Bush or the UK leaders.
GiRTh
12-08-2016, 01:02 PM
I've seen virtually that same statement on this forum lots of times. The West is responsible for all the terrorists, for all the atrocities, we brought it on ourselves.You've seen someone post that Obama and Hillary are founder and co-founder of ISIS? Love for you to re-post.
Its one thing to see crazy things posted on a forum but something entirely different when a Presidential candidate accuses the sitting president of founding a terrorist organization.
Kizzy
13-08-2016, 07:25 AM
Even though I was a civillian so nobody cared....hmmmmm, interesting democratic language there trump.
Livia
13-08-2016, 09:22 AM
You've seen someone post that Obama and Hillary are founder and co-founder of ISIS? Love for you to re-post.
Its one thing to see crazy things posted on a forum but something entirely different when a Presidential candidate accuses the sitting president of founding a terrorist organization.
No, I have seen plenty of people post on here that the west is responsible for the formation of IS and for them thriving. Obama is the president of the most powerful country in the west. This is just Trump endorsing the thoughts of plenty of people who think that IS is the result of the victimisation of the Middle East by the west, an excuse for their existence.
Why are people shocked at what trump says? This isn't the most serious spurious allegation he's made. I'm no more outraged at this than at anything else he said.
GiRTh
13-08-2016, 12:29 PM
No, I have seen plenty of people post on here that the west is responsible for the formation of IS and for them thriving. Obama is the president of the most powerful country in the west. This is just Trump endorsing the thoughts of plenty of people who think that IS is the result of the victimisation of the Middle East by the west, an excuse for their existence.
Why are people shocked at what trump says? This isn't the most serious spurious allegation he's made. I'm no more outraged at this than at anything else he said.Thats not what he said. He said Obama and HRC were literally the founders. Have you seen someone post that on the forum? THe conservative radio show host Hugh Hewitt tried to get him to say what you're saying but no he doubled down and repeated that they 'literally' founded ISIS. He's since repeated it about a dozen times but now claims he was being sarcastic.
Your 2nd paragraph - People are always shocked by what Trump says so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Is this the worse thing he said? Possibly not but it is one of the crazyest and most stupid. I feel you're trying to say something here. Care to expand?
arista
13-08-2016, 03:41 PM
Girth
yesterday on Ch4HD News there
was on a Live Link to USA
and a Young Black Pastor Mark Burns
at CNBC HD Florida studio
he put up a amazing case for Trump.
Clever fella ,
Mark Burns Trump Supporter.
Did you catch him?
Livia
13-08-2016, 03:51 PM
Thats not what he said. He said Obama and HRC were literally the founders. Have you seen someone post that on the forum? THe conservative radio show host Hugh Hewitt tried to get him to say what you're saying but no he doubled down and repeated that they 'literally' founded ISIS. He's since repeated it about a dozen times but now claims he was being sarcastic.
Your 2nd paragraph - People are always shocked by what Trump says so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Is this the worse thing he said? Possibly not but it is one of the crazyest and most stupid. I feel you're trying to say something here. Care to expand?
I used to be shocked by what Trump says but I've spent so long listening to it that really, it doesn't shock me anymore. The man is a stain. He's never heard the word 'no', he's surrounded by people who tell him he's the greatest thing on earth and so far he's got away with a whole shedload of libellous, slanderous bullsh!t. I worry for the future of the USA if this man is elected. That's what I'm saying... expanded.
GiRTh
13-08-2016, 06:03 PM
Girth
yesterday on Ch4HD News there
was on a Live Link to USA
and a Young Black Pastor Mark Burns
at CNBC HD Florida studio
he put up a amazing case for Trump.
Clever fella ,
Mark Burns Trump Supporter.
Did you catch him?Nope didnt see it. Why is this one bloke defence of Trump relevant over the many others?
aeJSAH2hq1k
IS it this guy. You say he's clever some others think he's hilarious. Got to the point where he mentioned the wall and turned it off laughing.
GiRTh
13-08-2016, 06:07 PM
Arista are you seriously still routing for Trump. He's done. Hillary has as big a lead as anyone had ever had at this time. Its done, he ran a good Prmary campaign but his general campaign was a joke. Its time to call it and stop defending this clown.
To be brutally honest from what I've seen Trump looks bored. I dont think he even wants to win anymore. :shrug:
arista
13-08-2016, 06:20 PM
Arista are you seriously still routing for Trump. He's done. Hillary has as big a lead as anyone had ever had at this time. Its done, he ran a good Prmary campaign but his general campaign was a joke. Its time to call it and stop defending this clown.
To be brutally honest from what I've seen Trump looks bored. I dont think he even wants to win anymore. :shrug:
"Arista are you seriously still routing for "
I just do not rule him out like you do.
It was like the UKGeneral Election
and Brexit - On Both, Folks like you got it wrong
Its a long way to go yet,
That Clinton bitch is not liked
but can, of course, Win.
So long as America does not have
more terrorist attacks.
No one but the CIA have that info,
at this time
arista
13-08-2016, 06:26 PM
"Why is this one bloke defence of Trump relevant over the many others?"
He was new to me plus it was a
"Live interview on Ch4HD news"
so only few Edits of that Link you posted
GiRTh
13-08-2016, 06:48 PM
"Arista are you seriously still routing for "
I just do not rule him out like you do.
It was like the UKGeneral Election
and Brexit - On Both, Folks like you got it wrong
Its a long way to go yet,
That Clinton bitch is not liked
but can, of course, Win.
So long as America does not have
more terrorist attacks.
No one but the CIA have that info,
at this timeIf you look thru my posting I was saying it was close before the convention but since then Trump seems to be self destructing.
Its not at all like Brexit in that these polls are actually reliable and there are a couple hundred years of elections to look at and draw conclusions. I didnt get anything wrong about Brexit; I didnt comment on it.
HRC has a bigger lead than Obama had over MCCain in 2008 and, of course, Obama slaughtered McCain in 2008. What else can we deduce? THe only thing that can save Trump is if there is genuine scandal in the Dems camp. Polls have Hillary up by 4 in Georgia; a pinned on GOP state that the dems have not held since 1992. Trump should be up by double figures in Georgia not down by 4. HRC is up by double figures in New Hampshire where she lost in the primaries by over 10 to Bernie but Trump won by over 10. How on earth has such a swing happened? He's losing and the fact that he is seriously floating the idea of the election being a fix kind of reinforced that. Strange but he wasnt saying it was fixed when he was winning. :shrug:
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