Katie loses it with Heavy

[Jake.]

It all kicked off in the Celebrity Big Brother 2016 house last night with Bear and Heavy D in desperate need of attention.


Things began yesterday evening when, seemingly still unhappy with Chloe Khan being evicted, Bear continued to try and take it out on the other housemates, this time by causing a right mess and wasting more food.

Not long after the group's latest shopping delivery arrived, Bear decided to pour the contents of tins of soup and tomatoes all over the bathroom floor.

cbb bear bathroom

He said to himself as he did so: "This is my business, ****** them."

Not one to be out done, Heavy replied in kind as the 43-year-old poured cereal all over the floor and chucked eggs on the carpet of the living area.

"On ****** it, s**t!" he shouted.

Renee whispered to some of the other housemates: "Pay no attention, do not get up, that was done on purpose, you ignore the fool in the room. "

Samantha Fox rolled her eyes: "Here it goes again."



Renee then questioned Heavy: "Are you feelings hurt? Is that how you behave when your feelings are hurt? What a shame, what a disgrace."

Renee then raged: "This game that everybody is playing is making me ******ing sick, why doesn't everybody say it to each other's face what the ****** they feel, they want to call each other old, ugly, fat, controlling..."

Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

After discovering the mess, Katie finally cracked.

The up until now quiet housemate snapped: "I'm going to smash those bottles of alcohol. I'm telling you Big Brother, you do not want to see this side of me."

katie cbb

She then confronted Heavy D: "If you were smart you will take this ******ing broom, Colin, and ******ing clean this s**t up with me.

"Don't you dare ******ing laugh. Put your God Damn cigarette out and clean your ******ing s**t up."

The action will air in tonight's latest Celebrity Big Brother highlights on Channel 5 at 9PM.

[Beso]

I bet colin cleans up.

[Cherie]

Lewis is going to swerve this weeks noms isn't he :bored: they have shoved Heavy into the firing line

[*mazedsalv**]

Lewis is going to swerve this weeks noms isn't he :bored: they have shoved Heavy into the firing line

Well I don't know. Even if Heavy is that nom, who will be the 2nd nom from the bigger group?

Bear is up anyway. And then I'm sure the group of 8 will go for a combination of Lewis/Marnie and Heavy. Pretty sure Lewis goes up. I can see him and Heavy getting the 2 most nominations, Marnie I don't know.

[Pete.]

Heavy replied in kind as the 43-year-old poured cereal all over the floor and chucked eggs on the carpet of the living area.

Now that's a read

[Cherie]

Well I don't know. Even if Heavy is that nom, who will be the 2nd nom from the bigger group?

Bear is up anyway. And then I'm sure the group of 8 will go for a combination of Lewis/Marnie and Heavy. Pretty sure Lewis goes up. I can see him and Heavy getting the 2 most nominations, Marnie I don't know.

Marnie will get more as Lewis played for the group, it will be Renee, Heavy, Bear and Marnie although I feel they won't want Marnie up so probably top 2 will go up with Bear

[Beso]

Lewis is going to swerve this weeks noms isn't he :bored: they have shoved Heavy into the firing line

They were all voting him before this amyway, just hope the public dont judge him too harshly...and i hope bb air his apology.

[Cherie]

Now that's a read

Not as good a read as 60 year old Renee cracking onto Bear :laugh:

[Beso]

Not as good a read as 60 year old Renee cracking onto Bear :laugh:

:joker::joker::joker:

[hot2go]

Lewis is going to swerve this weeks noms isn't he :bored: they have shoved Heavy into the firing line

That's how the game should be played....it's what Ricky and Sam etc should be doing but they don't.
I'm no fan of Lewis but I respect the tactics that seem to be taking place, I just wish they were all doing it

[Cherie]

They were all voting him before this amyway, just hope the public dont judge him too harshly...and i hope bb air his apology.

Heavy was in the gang for a while as Aubreys speech was to target Lewis, Marnie and Chloe, after that was aired Lewis played for the house and has managed to get himself off the nom list I feel :bored:

[Cherie]

That's how the game should be played....it's what Ricky and Sam etc should be doing but they don't.
I'm no fan of Lewis but I respect the tactics taking that seem to be taking place, I just wish they were all doing it

I agree just wish it was someone other than Lewis was playing it :laugh:

[hot2go]

I agree just wish it was someone other than Lewis was playing it :laugh:

Me too....

[caprimint]

I vividly remember Katie saying something in the diary room about people should remain calm and there are other ways to deal with a situation instead of getting angry and shouting. :whistle:

[rubymoo]

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited :hee:

But she won't will she :(

[jaxie]

Lewis is going to swerve this weeks noms isn't he :bored: they have shoved Heavy into the firing line

Heavy is too dumb to realise he's been played but is an unpleasant enough person to find that kind of destructiveness funny.

[Garfie]

"Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

:facepalm::conf3: Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!

[Cherie]

It wouldn't surprise me if Marnie and Lewis gave Heavy extra alcohol and encouraged him to throw food around :hmph: he seems more intuitive than this :fist:

[Cherie]

Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

:facepalm::conf3: Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!

I know I'm gutted for him

[Kizzy]

do it katie, pour the alcohol... no food= no booze.

[Garfie]

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited :hee:

But she won't will she :(

Exactly! I don't know why anyone hasn't done this, and destroyed their ciggies too, so far! That would hit them where it hurt and make them think twice.

[Cherie]

Heavy is too dumb to realise he's been played but is an unpleasant enough person to find that kind of destructiveness funny.

I don't think he is dumb, I think he might have been drunk, and I don't think he is malicious unlike Lewis :fist:

[Cherie]

Exactly! I don't know why anyone hasn't done this, and destroyed their ciggies too, so far! That would hit them where it hurt and make them think twice.

I've been waiting for someone to do this, very disappointing that someone hasn't

[hot2go]

Marnie will get more as Lewis played for the group, it will be Renee, Heavy, Bear and Marnie although I feel they won't want Marnie up so probably top 2 will go up with Bear

Mustnt forget the Gang of Threes votes too....they play it right and two of the other group could face eviction too, esp if they get Heavy back on side

[caprimint]

I don't think he is dumb, I think he might have been drunk, and I don't think he is malicious unlike Lewis :fist:
He's just desperate to fit in. Like why he ate the cake when they teased him with it. He's got very little self control.

[Cal.]

He's ruined it for himself.

[Garfie]

I know I'm gutted for him

Me too, Cherie. I'm hoping that one of the housemates he listens to will have a chat with him, as sometimes he only seems to recognise he is being used when someone else points it out to him. He does seem to then take things onboard and address his behaviour. He is just too easily led and manipulated, and I hate it that cruel and insensitive people find it acceptable to take advantage of that.

Sadly, Heavy hasn't done himself any favours here, much to my dismay. :sad:

[Garfie]

[QUOdTE=parmnion;8914790]They were all voting him before this amyway, just hope the public dont judge him too harshly...and i hope bb air his apology.[/QUOTE]

Yes, hopefully he can bring it back. :fc:

[Stevep]

Exactly! I don't know why anyone hasn't done this, and destroyed their ciggies too, so far! That would hit them where it hurt and make them think twice.

Very true, that said i doubt any of them has the courage to do such a thing. Perhaps only Renee or possibly Aubrey.

[hot2go]

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited :hee:

But she won't will she :(

If Katie did that she would go up my estimation.....the fact that lot never retaliate is more tactical than anything but is extremely boring .....what person on this forum would just lie back and keep taking it on the chin ? I mean, c'mon, I can't imagine anyone on here putting up with it...I certainly wouldn't, it's pathetic

[Garfie]

He's just desperate to fit in. Like why he ate the cake when they teased him with it. He's got very little self control.

I agree, and they know that, sadly.

[billy123]

Katie is back in the house http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/shocked-smiley-face.gif
Where has she been hiding i forgot she existed.

[Garfie]

Very true, that said i doubt any of them has the courage to do such a thing. Perhaps only Renee or possibly Aubrey.

Or someone who is driven to breaking point and has had enough....hopefully.

[Stevep]

If Katie did that she would go up my estimation.....the fact that lot never retaliate is more tactical than anything but is extremely boring .....what person on this forum would just lie back and keep taking it on the chin ? I mean, c'mon, I can't imagine anyone on here putting up with it...I certainly wouldn't, it's pathetic

Not everything comes down to tactics. It's basic knowledge that we are all built differently and that certain people, principally it seems those in Renee's group, just don't have enough courage to stand up for themselves, particularly when it comes to standing up to such domineering figures such as Bear. I agree though that anyone that does decide to do it would win plenty of votes.

[Stevep]

Or someone who is driven to breaking point and has had enough....hopefully.

Hopefully.

[azi]

Katie's era is coming :clap1:

[jet]

"Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

:facepalm::conf3: Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!

:facepalm: For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor? :think:

[Ellen]

Maybe he thinks with the public not voting Bear out they like all the pathetic childish does he does so he's doing in the hope of been popular on the outside :shrug:

[Ellen]

:facepalm: For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor? :think:

Yep, she didnt say anything to Bear, if she did it wasnt shown but like you say, Heavy is an easy target.

[hot2go]

Not everything comes down to tactics. It's basic knowledge that we are all built differently and that certain people, principally it seems those in Renee's group, just don't have enough courage to stand up for themselves, particularly when it comes to standing up to such domineering figures such as Bear. I agree though that anyone that does decide to do it would win plenty of votes.

People who don't have the strength of character to stand up for themselves shouldn't go on Big Brother IMO...you're right that not everyone has to shout and scream but some of this lot don't even voice an opinion or have a sense of humour with the ones they do get along with. If someone poured food over Sam Fox kitchen at home she would not just let them...if someone made a cocktail in Ricky's garden with all the coffe he wouldn't say nothing....they are not being real and that is tactical.

[Ellen]

People who don't have the strength of character to stand up for themselves shouldn't go on Big Brother IMO...you're right that not everyone has to shout and scream but some of this lot don't even voice an opinion or have a sense of humour with the ones they do get along with. If someone poured food over Sam Fox kitchen at home she would not just let them...if someone made a cocktail in Ricky's garden with all the coffe he wouldn't say nothing....they are not being real and that is tactical.

Yes but if someone did that in your own home there is no camera's to see you slap the crap out of someone for trashing your kitchen! :laugh:

[jennyjuniper]

"Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

:facepalm::conf3: Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!

I agree. Heavy should have known better than to go along with the so aptly named twat rats.

[Garfie]

:facepalm: For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor? :think:

I wish he hadn't done it, but that's a really good point and you're so right, Jet- I hadn't really considered that.

After reading your post, I now think, without realising it, she has directed all of the anger and frustration she feels towards Bear at Heavy as he is a safe and easy target.

She needed to let it out, and unfortunately he provided her with the ideal opportunity. I wish he hadn't.

[Cherie]

:facepalm: For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor? :think:

Great point Jet, Heavy gets the brunt if the grief in there

[Ian Coke]

Now that's a read

Indeed. I thought he was in his thirties, maybe. 43 is way too old to be acting like that. He could be Bear's father, just about; he really shouldn't be his performing gorilla.

[Garfie]

I agree. Heavy should have known better than to go along with the so aptly named twat rats.

I know the popular term is the 'Rat Pack', Jenny, but I personally can't refer to them in that way, as the connotations are more positive than I believe they deserve. Hence, to me, they have become the twat-rats!!

[jet]

I wish he hadn't done it, but that's a really good point and you're so right, Jet- I hadn't really considered that.

After reading your post, I now think, without realising it, she has directed all of the anger and frustration she feels towards Bear at Heavy as he is a safe and easy target.

She needed to let it out, and unfortunately he provided her with the ideal opportunity. I wish he hadn't.

Yes, I wish he hadn't too. Bear encouraged him for his own agenda, and it seems there was drink involved too, so I think it will be a one - off. Heavy does tend to take criticism on board and try to rectify his behaviour.

[hot2go]

Yes but if someone did that in your own home there is no camera's to see you slap the crap out of someone for trashing your kitchen! :laugh:

But the cameras are the key to how this thing works....take Katie for example, she's come up from the back of the race to a front position for finally being real and speaking her mind.....she's wasnt abusive or slapping anyone but for once she wasn't being totally passive..
I would say the big advantage of the cameras is that unlike real life, they can vent what they think to someone anyway they like and there are security guards on site 24/7 to protect them.
I have to agree with Lewis when he advised her that to get to the final in this particular Big Brother she needs to show more of that side of her personality.....he's such a patronising prick but he was correct when he said that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Katie going into her American mode

[Stevep]

People who don't have the strength of character to stand up for themselves shouldn't go on Big Brother IMO...you're right that not everyone has to shout and scream but some of this lot don't even voice an opinion or have a sense of humour with the ones they do get along with. If someone poured food over Sam Fox kitchen at home she would not just let them...if someone made a cocktail in Ricky's garden with all the coffe he wouldn't say nothing....they are not being real and that is tactical.

Yes, some may be playing it tactically somewhat but you can't keep mentioning tactics in a bad light if you are a fan of Bear who is clearly playing a game and has admitted as much. Btw, i don't believe the example you've used really stands up as an example of tactics, it's quite clear that you'd react differently if someone was behaving like that in your own home with your own personal possessions.

Going back to my original point, Katie has stood up for herself here but it's worth noting that it's Heavy in the firing line and not Bear, why? Well my opinion would be, as i said earlier, each and every individual has a different level of confidence and Katie quite clearly feels confident enough to confront Heavy for being wasteful but not Bear when he had been. That in itself proves to a degree that it's not always tactical when certain people stand back but more so down to the level of courage they possess.

[hot2go]

Yes, some may be playing it tactically somewhat but you can't keep mentioning tactics in a bad light if you are a fan of Bear who is clearly playing a game and has admitted as much. Btw, i don't believe the example you've used really stands up as an example of tactics, it's quite clear that you'd react differently if someone was behaving like that in your own home with your own personal possessions.

Going back to my original point, Katie has stood up for herself here but it's worth noting that it's Heavy in the firing line and not Bear, why? Well my opinion would be, as i said earlier, each and every individual has a different level of confidence and Katie quite clearly feels confident enough to confront Heavy for being wasteful but not Bear at this point. That in-itself proves to a degree that it's not always tactical when certain people stand back but more so down to the level of courage they possess.


I don't see tactics in a bad light at all....I like the tactics Bear, Renee, Heavy, Lewis and others have used.....I always like the game players ...but the tactic of sitting on the fence or going under the radar are always a cop out and are totally uneventful to watch.
As for Katie, we don't know if she confronted Bear or not but she confronted someone and that is a start. These people go on stages and perform to live crowds and compete in a ruthless industry to get their spoon in the gravy ...I don't believe a single one of them is as sensitive and passive as some would believe. And if through some fluke they are then they are in the wrong house.

[Ellen]

But the cameras are the key to how this thing works....take Katie for example, she's come up from the back of the race to a front position for finally being real and speaking her mind.....she's wasnt abusive or slapping anyone but for once she wasn't being totally passive..
I would say the big advantage of the cameras is that unlike real life, they can vent what they think to someone anyway they like and there are security guards on site 24/7 to protect them.
I have to agree with Lewis when he advised her that to get to the final in this particular Big Brother she needs to show more of that side of her personality.....he's such a patronising prick but he was correct when he said that.

She has not been herself because of the camera's, she has been a wall flower all the way through but after the speech she now has a go :shrug:

[hot2go]

She has not been herself because of the camera's, she has been a wall flower all the way through but after the speech she now has a go :shrug:

Yes she's finally stepping up but I think it's too little too late myself. But it's better than tears...her tears saw Ricky make threats of violence towards Bear and played a part in Biggins downfall.

[Ian Coke]

Going back to my original point, Katie has stood up for herself here but it's worth noting that it's Heavy in the firing line and not Bear, why? Well my opinion would be, as i said earlier, each and every individual has a different level of confidence and Katie quite clearly feels confident enough to confront Heavy for being wasteful but not Bear when he had been. That in itself proves to a degree that it's not always tactical when certain people stand back but more so down to the level of courage they possess.

Well, or it could just be that she finds Colin more irritating, or expects more from him, as a middle-aged man, than she does from Bear, who's openly in there to cause mayhem, 24/7. What would be the point of talking to Stephen about anything, when all complaints about his antics seem to do is encourage the next installment in the Bear show? Colin, I'm guessing, is more frustrating because he's so weak, mentally, and so easily led. An apology one day is absolutely no guarantee that he won't repeat the offending behaviour next time Lewis or Bear throw him a few scraps of kindness. It's kind of tragic, really. But it also must be massively annoying. And then there's the 'Boom!' thing. As a viewer, I want Colin to die every time he does that, so imagine being locked up with it, for weeks that must seem like months by now.

[Babayaro.]

ffs he does himself no favours :facepalm:

[reece(:]

Katie's breakout:clap1:

[Garfie]

Well, or it could just be that she finds Colin more irritating, or expects more from him, as a middle-aged man, than she does from Bear, who's openly in there to cause mayhem, 24/7. What would be the point of talking to Stephen about anything, when all complaints about his antics seem to do is encourage the next installment in the Bear show? Colin, I'm guessing, is more frustrating because he's so weak, mentally, and so easily led. An apology one day is absolutely no guarantee that he won't repeat the offending behaviour next time Lewis or Bear throw him a few scraps of kindness. It's kind of tragic, really. But it also must be massively annoying. And then there's the 'Boom!' thing. As a viewer, I want Colin to die every time he does that. Imagine being locked up with it, for weeks that must seem like months now.

Yes, I think you've made some good points here. I think she does expect better of him, not because of his age but because she knows he is actually a decent person, and I think you're right in saying she is probably frustrated with him at being so easily led, again because deep inside he is a decent person.

You are also right in your observations about Bear- any comment to him would fall on deaf ears, and as he enjoys provoking others, would more than likely just encourage him to continue.

I guess it's a case of appealing to the man with a conscience, rather than the man without, as at least you have some chance of having an impact.

[empire]

I think heavy wants to go home, bear makes him mad, and the only way not to lose it in his mind is to throw food about, he is bored in there, and also sleep deprived with some housemates getting drunk and running around the bedroom for a number of days, I think katie took it out on him because to her he is not acting like himself,

[Ian Coke]

Yes, I think you've made some good points here. I think she does expect better of him, not because of his age but because she knows he is actually a decent person, and I think you're right in saying she is probably frustrated with him at being so easily led, again because deep inside he is a decent person.

You are also right in your observations about Bear- any comment to him would fall on deaf ears, and as he enjoys provoking others, would more than likely just encourage him to continue.

I guess it's a case of appealing to the man with a conscience, rather than the man without, as at least you have some chance of having an impact.

Thanks for the kind words! But I see no evidence of Colin being 'a decent person'. He's always happy to join in when Bear and Lewis are picking on anyone who isn't him. Hilariously, or embarrassingly, Colin still seems to see himself as a master tactician, a sort of ruthless gangster strategist, in spite of being played, over and over. He appears to get a lot of sympathy on here because he isn't as handsome as Bear and Lewis, but I'm not sure we should assume his soul is any less rotten, simply because the packaging is more Viz than GQ

[reece(:]

Katie going into her American mode

Mess at American mode

[Jan S]

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited :hee:

But she won't will she :(

"Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

:facepalm::conf3: Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!
ffs, colin :facepalm:

as for katie, she needs to bitch at bear just as loudly instead of taking the easy route. bear clearly played into his worst traits and sat back to watch colin take the fallout.
:facepalm: For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor? :think:
exactly

[Garfie]

Thanks for the kind words! But I see no evidence of Colin being 'a decent person'. He's always happy to join in when Bear and Lewis are picking on anyone who isn't him. Hilariously, or embarrassingly, Colin still seems to see himself as a master tactician, a sort of ruthless gangster strategist, in spite of being played, over and over. He appears to get a lot of sympathy on here because he isn't as handsome as Bear and Lewis, but I'm not sure we should assume his soul is any less rotten, simply because the packaging is more Viz than GQ

Although I agreed on lots of what you said in your previous post, our perceptions differ here, Ian.

He has, on occasions, joined in with Bear and Lewis when they were picking on others, notably James, but this was at the start, and I might be wrong but I can't remember more recent occasions of this. I certainly don't think the word 'always' is anywhere near accurate.

I do think he is a decent person. He is naive, he is easily led and manipulated and he has got things wrong on occasions- granted. However, my impression is that his mistakes are not coming from a bad place like they do with Bear, but from an attempt to have fun; whereas I feel Bear and Lewis go out of their way to be cruel and to provoke others, and indeed revel in the distress they cause, I believe Heavy's motives are based firmly in humour and in just having a laugh.

He doesn't always think, but I don't believe he is malicious. He has shown he listens to others and makes the effort to adapt his behaviour. I think he has a heart, whereas the other two are just manipulative and care only for themselves. Heavy has sometimes been rotten, but I don't believe he is rotten- it is a case of separating the action and the person, and I believe the person has a lot of redeeming features. Even good people can, and do, get things wrong.

I can't say I understand how you feel he sees himself as a 'massive tactician', although he has made tongue-in-cheek comments.

He does have some sympathy from me, but it is nothing to do with him being perceived as having a less 'handsome....packaging' or me assuming 'his soul is less rotten' because of that. Give me some credit, Ian! I form my opinions using my brain rather than my eyes, so use my brain to interpret what my eyes see! Surely you wouldn't think me as superficial or so condescending as to pity people for their appearances, and base my judgments on them according to that! D: ::inamood:

In actual fact, I feel sympathy, not pity, for him due to the way he has been manipulated, picked on and taken advantage of by the two slime balls already mentioned. More importantly, I like him and am supporting him, for a whole range of reasons!

[Jan S]

Although I agreed on lots of what you said in your previous post, our perceptions differ here, Ian.

He has, on occasions, joined in with Bear and Lewis when they were picking on others, notably James, but this was at the start, and I might be wrong but I can't remember more recent occasions of this. I certainly don't think the word 'always' is anywhere near accurate.

I do think he is a decent person. He is naive, he is easily led and manipulated and he has got things wrong on occasions- granted. However, my impression is that his mistakes are not coming from a bad place like they do with Bear, but from an attempt to have fun; whereas I feel Bear and Lewis go out of their way to be cruel and to provoke others, and indeed revel in the distress they cause, I believe Heavy's motives are based firmly in humour and in just having a laugh.

He doesn't always think, but I don't believe he is malicious. He has shown he listens to others and makes the effort to adapt his behaviour. I think he has a heart, whereas the other two are just manipulative and care only for themselves. Heavy has sometimes been rotten, but I don't believe he is rotten- it is a case of separating the action and the person, and I believe the person has a lot of redeeming features. Even good people can, and do, get things wrong.

I can't say I understand how you feel he sees himself as a 'massive tactician', although he has made tongue-in-cheek comments.

He does have some sympathy from me, but it is nothing to do with him being perceived as having a less 'handsome....packaging' or me assuming 'his soul is less rotten' because of that. Give me some credit, Ian! I form my opinions using my brain rather than my eyes, so use my brain to interpret what my eyes see! Surely you wouldn't think me as superficial or so condescending as to pity people for their appearances, and base my judgments on them according to that! D: ::inamood:

In actual fact, I feel sympathy, not pity, for him due to the way he has been manipulated, picked on and taken advantage of by the two slime balls already mentioned. More importantly, I like him and am supporting him, for a whole range of reasons!
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[Garfie]

:dance2::dance2::dance2:

:wink:

[Stevep]

I don't see tactics in a bad light at all....I like the tactics Bear, Renee, Heavy, Lewis and others have used.....I always like the game players ...but the tactic of sitting on the fence or going under the radar are always a cop out and are totally uneventful to watch.
As for Katie, we don't know if she confronted Bear or not but she confronted someone and that is a start. These people go on stages and perform to live crowds and compete in a ruthless industry to get their spoon in the gravy ...I don't believe a single one of them is as sensitive and passive as some would believe. And if through some fluke they are then they are in the wrong house.

I don't think her life is as competitive as you make out, not sure if it was a live feed or a highlights show but i remember her describing her typical day once and it sounded pretty mundane.

Agree to disagree here i think.

[Samm]

Legend Katie

[Ian Coke]

Although I agreed on lots of what you said in your previous post, our perceptions differ here, Ian.

He has, on occasions, joined in with Bear and Lewis when they were picking on others, notably James, but this was at the start, and I might be wrong but I can't remember more recent occasions of this. I certainly don't think the word 'always' is anywhere near accurate.

I do think he is a decent person. He is naive, he is easily led and manipulated and he has got things wrong on occasions- granted. However, my impression is that his mistakes are not coming from a bad place like they do with Bear, but from an attempt to have fun; whereas I feel Bear and Lewis go out of their way to be cruel and to provoke others, and indeed revel in the distress they cause, I believe Heavy's motives are based firmly in humour and in just having a laugh.

He doesn't always think, but I don't believe he is malicious. He has shown he listens to others and makes the effort to adapt his behaviour. I think he has a heart, whereas the other two are just manipulative and care only for themselves. Heavy has sometimes been rotten, but I don't believe he is rotten- it is a case of separating the action and the person, and I believe the person has a lot of redeeming features. Even good people can, and do, get things wrong.

I can't say I understand how you feel he sees himself as a 'massive tactician', although he has made tongue-in-cheek comments.

He does have some sympathy from me, but it is nothing to do with him being perceived as having a less 'handsome....packaging' or me assuming 'his soul is less rotten' because of that. Give me some credit, Ian! I form my opinions using my brain rather than my eyes, so use my brain to interpret what my eyes see! Surely you wouldn't think me as superficial or so condescending as to pity people for their appearances, and base my judgments on them according to that! D: ::inamood:

In actual fact, I feel sympathy, not pity, for him due to the way he has been manipulated, picked on and taken advantage of by the two slime balls already mentioned. More importantly, I like him and am supporting him, for a whole range of reasons!

So much to respond to here! Erm, a recent example of Colin's unpleasant behaviour was yelling 'Boom' when a clearly upset Chloe was in the process of being evicted. You say he doesn't think, that he doesn't mean to an arsehole; I think that's debatable, but really, who's to care about his motives, when the results are the same? As to the broader issue, I maintain that if he was a good-looking twenty something with a swimmer's build, acting in exactly the same way, everyone who's now in his corner would absolutely hate him. He's been told time and time again to give the 'Boom!' thing a rest, for example, but he's either just as unwilling, or incapable, of dialing his antics back as Bear is. I just don't see what you see, I suppose. You see a kindly, misunderstood gentle giant type, and I see an over-entitled adult baby, seething internally, with a ton a stuff to do with his largely unresolved sexual urges, to the point of being a social time bomb. The love child of the Incredible Hulk and Mr Blobby. Except not as telegenic as that monster would be.

[empire]

heavy d is in a house with people who he has very little incommon with, in the outside world heavy d would never hang out with the likes of marnie, lewis,bear,chloe, and a few others, I have met guys like heavy d in pubs and they are fat or thin type of guys, their life is very different from what many in their do, and they are very harmless, heavy ds banter is from his local, and thats his comfort zone, we all sometimes don't know how to fit in Im like that aswell.

[Kyleisaselenator]

I love Katie!! She is being the realest and keeping fireworks going

[hot2go]

I thought this was good that Katie read the riot act to Heavy till I saw it tonight and realised that straight afterwards she cried....again

[Ian Coke]

I thought this was good that Katie read the riot act to Heavy till I saw it tonight and realised that straight afterwards she cried....again

So you feel like she wasn't entitled to cry, after two solid weeks of uncut Heavy D? You're a harsher judge of character than I. Personally, I'm amazed that nobody's tried to kill him yet, what with the constant 'Booms' and all those sharp knives lying about.

[hot2go]

So you feel like she wasn't entitled to cry, after two solid weeks of uncut Heavy D? You're a harsher judge of character than I. Personally, I'm amazed that nobody's tried to kill him yet, what with the constant 'Booms' and all those sharp knives lying about.

She cries too much for a housemate....BB is not for the faint hearted and even though they still go in every year and take the place of someone who could handle it better it never makes them any better to watch....go home is what I would say...she obv is too sensitive to handle it.

[caprimint]

She cries too much for a housemate....BB is not for the faint hearted and even though they still go in every year and take the place of someone who could handle it better it never makes them any better to watch....go home is what I would say...she obv is too sensitive to handle it.
She can take Renee with her. Renee has a breakdown after every time she raises her voice.

[Ian Coke]

She cries too much for a housemate....BB is not for the faint hearted and even though they still go in every year and take the place of someone who could handle it better it never makes them any better to watch....go home is what I would say...she obv is too sensitive to handle it.

Interestingly, a friend of a friend knows Gail Porter. Apparently, Gail, no A-list celeb really, was paid a hundred and fifty grand to appear on the show. Presumably, they're all on the same levels of cash, much more in some cases, so it's difficult to feel much of anything for their troubles. Except for Colin, whose troubles are legion, to the point where he won't be able to control his hot, stinging canister unless he's allowed re-entry to all the strip clubs he's been banned from - 'Mate, I can pay now, honest!' he might bellow, to the guys on the door. And all the girls who don't want to see him, ever again.

[empire]

katie is a very sly girl, she expects heavy d to be nice and to kiss her butt but she puts him up for noms, her crying would make me lose it in there, that girl always uses her tears to play Im all a good little girl, katie you can't expect people to be nice when you play sly on them. wake up to the real world you silly girl, your a 30 year old woman, not 13.

[Ammi]

Although I agreed on lots of what you said in your previous post, our perceptions differ here, Ian.

He has, on occasions, joined in with Bear and Lewis when they were picking on others, notably James, but this was at the start, and I might be wrong but I can't remember more recent occasions of this. I certainly don't think the word 'always' is anywhere near accurate.

I do think he is a decent person. He is naive, he is easily led and manipulated and he has got things wrong on occasions- granted. However, my impression is that his mistakes are not coming from a bad place like they do with Bear, but from an attempt to have fun; whereas I feel Bear and Lewis go out of their way to be cruel and to provoke others, and indeed revel in the distress they cause, I believe Heavy's motives are based firmly in humour and in just having a laugh.

He doesn't always think, but I don't believe he is malicious. He has shown he listens to others and makes the effort to adapt his behaviour. I think he has a heart, whereas the other two are just manipulative and care only for themselves. Heavy has sometimes been rotten, but I don't believe he is rotten- it is a case of separating the action and the person, and I believe the person has a lot of redeeming features. Even good people can, and do, get things wrong.

I can't say I understand how you feel he sees himself as a 'massive tactician', although he has made tongue-in-cheek comments.

He does have some sympathy from me, but it is nothing to do with him being perceived as having a less 'handsome....packaging' or me assuming 'his soul is less rotten' because of that. Give me some credit, Ian! I form my opinions using my brain rather than my eyes, so use my brain to interpret what my eyes see! Surely you wouldn't think me as superficial or so condescending as to pity people for their appearances, and base my judgments on them according to that! D: ::inamood:

In actual fact, I feel sympathy, not pity, for him due to the way he has been manipulated, picked on and taken advantage of by the two slime balls already mentioned. More importantly, I like him and am supporting him, for a whole range of reasons!

So much to respond to here! Erm, a recent example of Colin's unpleasant behaviour was yelling 'Boom' when a clearly upset Chloe was in the process of being evicted. You say he doesn't think, that he doesn't mean to an arsehole; I think that's debatable, but really, who's to care about his motives, when the results are the same? As to the broader issue, I maintain that if he was a good-looking twenty something with a swimmer's build, acting in exactly the same way, everyone who's now in his corner would absolutely hate him. He's been told time and time again to give the 'Boom!' thing a rest, for example, but he's either just as unwilling, or incapable, of dialing his antics back as Bear is. I just don't see what you see, I suppose. You see a kindly, misunderstood gentle giant type, and I see an over-entitled adult baby, seething internally, with a ton a stuff to do with his largely unresolved sexual urges, to the point of being a social time bomb. The love child of the Incredible Hulk and Mr Blobby. Except not as telegenic as that monster would be.



....hmmm, I kind of agree with a bit of both of you, Garfie and Ian...:laugh:..(both good posts btw..:love:..)...I don't see Heavy as a mean spirited person as such but he does and has done mean spirited things though and that does make it hard to like him as well...it really doesn't sit well how insensitive (and loud) he's been when people have been evicted or in the mornings with how loud he is..(but then I guess the late nighters who are enjoying their lay ins haven't been considerate either..)..but by his own words, he's describing himself as a 'people pleaser' and that being that has got him nowhere as it were but he doesn't seem to even try to 'please' on many occasions but just repeatedly do things that he know will irritate and annoy../he's a bit of a strange one tbh....he seems to please when it suits him and the total opposite to please when that suits him as well....

[Ammi]

She cries too much for a housemate....BB is not for the faint hearted and even though they still go in every year and take the place of someone who could handle it better it never makes them any better to watch....go home is what I would say...she obv is too sensitive to handle it.

..I would say that's the point for me hot2go, she hasn't gone home/she hasn't walked etc despite her release of emotion/stress etc through tears that we've seen...crying is not in any way an indication of emotional fragility, some of the most emotionally strong people I know, can cry ..it really is just a release and how people do these things differently and actually a good and strong thing to do by it's very nature and release, rather than the 'holding inside'..that can make someone much more fragile in their emotions when it all inevitably or often 'bursts' in an outer display....

[Alf]

Her voice turns American when she's angry.

Looking forward to see the back of her to be honest, she's been a very disappointing housemate, but then again, most of them have.

[hot2go]

..I would say that's the point for me hot2go, she hasn't gone home/she hasn't walked etc despite her release of emotion/stress etc through tears that we've seen...crying is not in any way an indication of emotional fragility, some of the most emotionally strong people I know, can cry ..it really is just a release and how people do these things differently and actually a good and strong thing to do by it's very nature and release, rather than the 'hodlding inside'..that can make someone much more fragile in their emotions when it all inevitably or often 'bursts' in an outer display....

It's the regularity of the crying that annoys me....have a good cry, get it all out then refocus....like Andy did for example....I understand the value of crying....I just have zero respect for people who do it over and over....also people who do it when they are losing an argument, like Renee...Renee has been a constant favourite of mine and now I am losing respect fast...
Katie's tears have had repercussions, maybe she could stop and think about that a bit more before turning on the water works again ....after Biggins departure and Ricky's threats to Bear made on her behalf, maybe she should drop the maiden in distress approach and start dealing with stuff instead...
I have no time for her....I've said it before, these are people from an industry where crying often happens as a tool to get ahead....she stood on a live stage in front of a tough audience every week on X Factor...she fought off the competition to get to judges houses...she locked horns with that other silly cow Cheryl Cole....no way should Ricky be fighting her corner for her and no way should she crying all the time.
If it's fake I don't respect it and if it's real she shouldn't have applied for show.....it reminds me of another waste of time, Sinitta....who went in The Jungle knowing full well she wasn't strong enough ..resulting in her not playing the game, refusing to do the trials, depriving the others of food and making it boring for the viewers.

[Miranda123]

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited :hee:

But she won't will she :(

I would do the same, well some of it, the rest of it would go down my gullet, to help me sleep through all the noise they would make about it!

Great idea though, cut them off at the pass, so to speak, get rid of their alcohol!

Lets see how funny Stephen thinks destroying stuff is then shall we?

[hot2go]

I would do the same, well some of it, the rest of it would go down my gullet, to help me sleep through all the noise they would make about it!

Great idea though, cut them off at the pass, so to speak, get rid of their alcohol!

Lets see how funny Stephen thinks destroying stuff is then shall we?

That would be a better option than crying

[Ian Coke]

....hmmm, I kind of agree with a bit of both of you, Garfie and Ian...:laugh:..(both good posts btw..:love:..)...I don't see Heavy as a mean spirited person as such but he does and has done mean spirited things though and that does make it hard to like him as well...it really doesn't sit well how insensitive (and loud) he's been when people have been evicted or in the mornings with how loud he is..(but then I guess the late nighters who are enjoying their lay ins haven't been considerate either..)..but by his own words, he's describing himself as a 'people pleaser' and that being that has got him nowhere as it were but he doesn't seem to even try to 'please' on many occasions but just repeatedly do things that he know will irritate and annoy../he's a bit of a strange one tbh....he seems to please when it suits him and the total opposite to please when that suits him as well....

I kind of think Colin must be harder to live with than Stephen. Stephen never apologises or explains, so while it might be interesting if somebody sat him down and talked through his issues. it's not going to happen. Colin, on the other hand, really wants somebody to listen. Which also isn't going to happen.