War with Iran ?

[rex3]

If greedy countries trys to stop invading other countries then there wouldnt be any need for our army :eureka:!!!!! such as Israel trying to invade : -

- More of whats left of Palestine.
- The Golan heights in Syria.
- Half of Lebanon.
- Egypt back then, with the suez canal.

The US gives Israel $3 Bn a year!! Whilst it gives african nations $500m. Israel is having other nations do its dirty work, for example it iradicated Saddam Hussein becuase :-

- he was an arch critic of Israel's Invasion spree, and was believed to create a bomb to stop Israel invading every arab country. Which is were our troops went to stop, for Israel.

- oil which Israel is getting out of Iraq cheaper than ever.

Next war our British Troops will die for, for the sake of Israel

Next is Iran; Iran is another critic of Israel and Israel wants other nations such as the US and Britain to stop them.

By the way That Iranian president did not deny the halacuast (which is what our media, mostly owned by Jewish (zionist) people, would like us to think, and compare him to Hitler, Fox, owned by Jewish (zionist) man).

What he said was to provide evidence of why Palestine should pay the price for what the Nazi did.

Below are pictures of the Iranian President and Jewish Rabbi's from the Jewish group NETUREI KARTA who oppose the creation of Israel, becuase in Judaism it is forbiden to have a Jewish state, except greedy people insist on having one on other peoples land!!

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Conferences/holocaust2006/1.jpg

how come he hasn't killed them, or why he supports the 20,000 jewish community in Iran.

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Conferences/holocaust2006/8.jpg

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Conferences/holocaust2006/2.jpg

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Conferences/holocaust2006/9.jpg

Israel can invade any country, get away with it and they'll still get supported by the west (which most people think its becuase most western leaders are jewish).


Guess who there saying is going to be our next Labour Prime-minister - David Miliband, a Zionist-Jew. There saying Gordon is too old and warn down...





p.s. Zionist, Zionism, means the political rally, for the creation of a Jewish state in the land of Palesting, south Lebanon, parts of Syria, Parts of Eygypt ....


ps. NETUREI KARTA is a jewish group who are anti-zionism, and by the way I do believe 6 million Jews were killed, so please dont try and debunk the above facts by calling me a racist, just becuase the media has made it out that any critisim for any one Jewish, is racist.

[Lauren]

Thats all well and good, but most of the British population are against the West invading countries such as Iraq or Iran (Critics of Israel) for other reasons apart from ridding of dictators. Of course there's other reasons why invading Iraq/Iran is in Tony Blair's/George Bush's interest - but there's nothing the population can do about it.

Nothing will ever mean peace between Israel/West and Arab countries. It will never happen, as unfortunate as that is.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
Thats all well and good, but most of the British population are against the West invading countries such as Iraq or Iran (Critics of Israel) for other reasons apart from ridding of dictators. Of course there's other reasons why invading Iraq/Iran is in Tony Blair's/George Bush's interest - but there's nothing the population can do about it.

Nothing will ever mean peace between Israel/West and Arab countries. It will never happen, as unfortunate as that is.

Yes but the point is why haven't they overthrown Mugabi, or hundreds of other non-middle-eastern leaders. Why have they just been after middle-eastern countries.

when it comes to peace in the middle east, ask your self WHY Palestine got invaded???????????????????

The Invasion of Palestine is what started the conflict, so why dont leaders admit that or even the media, instead it will keep playing those late night Channel 4 halacuast documentaries? Critizing the uncritised is not racist, by the way. You must look both ways, which rarely is looked at both ways, which is why it may seem as racist.


I have no doubt that the western people are against it, when i mean west i mean the lieing leaders.

[Tanser_Man]

I heard a man on TV say something along the lines of, the middle east was at the forfront of the world many years ago and went to sleep, now they have 'awoken' they think they don't fit in with 'our' modern values and that we are 'scared' about them 'awakening'. If that isn't paranoia i don't know what is!

If they for one minute just shut there mouths and got on with there lives instead of caring about 'the west' then there own chances of getting back to what they were would surely increase! Why are they so infactuated with the west? A goat dies, it's the west again. I've got aids, them damn westerners... JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE AND STOP TRYING TO BLAME SOMEONE! It isn't our fault you've been 'asleep'!

Religion is once again at the forfront of all this stupidness, i just can't grasp why they chose death over life. Fighting endless battles over what? A book? A belief? A nothing? All these countries bickering about this and that should sit down and actually realise whats important in life instead of wasteing the precious time they have been given.

I'm absolutely sick of people making derogatory statements about the west, we're just about as innocent as anybody else in the world.

[James]

Amusing cartoon...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/graphics/2007/02/24/ixd24big.gif

[stacey]

i dont even know why we're at war with iran and iraq and places like that, i dont follow things like that i just get confused

[The_Hitman]

We're at war for money and power. War is very good business aslong as you (a political leader) can convince civilians that you are taking your country to war for good reason. If you can rig an election to get in power, you dont even need the backing of civilians.

The BBC did 3 Panorama episodes called 'The Power Of Nightmares' explaining many things about 'The War On Terror', and one of the main features of the series was a powerful political group of Americans called the 'Neo-Conservatives'. The programme revealed alot of facts and secrets about the Neo-Conservative party and how they have considerable control over the American media (many of the powerful media figureheads being Neo Conservative), pointing out many of the ways they are benefitting from the War in the Middle East and links to people who have been accused of being 'terrorists'. They have also been linked to the events of September 11th 2001, though I wont go into the details here as you may get scared, and it's not my job to scare you, it's the Neo-Conservatives'.

Why do you not see this well made Panorama project repeated on television to educate the country?

Because it is banned.

The Capitalist Western media control what you see on your televisions, and they most certainly dont allow you to see their crimes, and you cant rely on the BBC alone to embark on a personal crusade against Capitalism, that just isnt British.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
I heard a man on TV say something along the lines of, the middle east was at the forfront of the world many years ago and went to sleep, now they have 'awoken' they think they don't fit in with 'our' modern values and that we are 'scared' about them 'awakening'. If that isn't paranoia i don't know what is!

If they for one minute just shut there mouths and got on with there lives instead of caring about 'the west' then there own chances of getting back to what they were would surely increase! Why are they so infactuated with the west? A goat dies, it's the west again. I've got aids, them damn westerners... JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE AND STOP TRYING TO BLAME SOMEONE! It isn't our fault you've been 'asleep'!

Religion is once again at the forfront of all this stupidness, i just can't grasp why they chose death over life. Fighting endless battles over what? A book? A belief? A nothing? All these countries bickering about this and that should sit down and actually realise whats important in life instead of wasteing the precious time they have been given.

I'm absolutely sick of people making derogatory statements about the west, we're just about as innocent as anybody else in the world.

Thats probably the most anus comment iv heard about the middle east. "stop blaming the west" , so what are they supposed to do when the west occupies and attacks there countries in more ways than one.

tanser i would ditto what the_hitman says above... and if you dont like then you dont have clear concious about this. Instead, you'd just rather, people stop bad mouthing the west while they do what they want...

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by rex3
Thats probably the most anus comment iv heard about the middle east. "stop blaming the west" , so what are they supposed to do when the west occupies and attacks there countries in more ways than one.

tanser i would ditto what the_hitman says above... and if you dont like then you dont have clear concious about this. Instead, you'd just rather, people stop bad mouthing the west while they do what they want...

I have a clear concious about this! That doesn't even come into it, why would i feel guilty for people who don't represent my feelings, rather then a minority of westerners who you are clinging onto for credability?

I, like many people, condone the Iraq war and reasons for it but at the end of the day, it's happened and the clock can't be turned back. Yes lives have been taken away, some justified and others tragic but what can you do? Moan and groan about it? Blow yourself up to justify there deaths? That just isn't the sensible way to go about life. Sooner or later the troops will be pulled out and then who will be left to blame? It's just one big moan!

It's not just the west to blame all the time, it's just an easy solution to cover up the ways which came beforehand, way before anybody was attacked! Your telling me all these problems stem from just westerners? because that really is an 'anus' comment!

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man

It's not just the west to blame all the time, it's just an easy solution to cover up the ways which came beforehand, way before anybody was attacked! Your telling me all these problems stem from just westerners? because that really is an 'anus' comment!

WTF!!! your a complete... YES!!! It does all come from the WEST!!!!!!

THE WEST HAS BEEN TAMPERING WITH IRAQ SINCE ITS CREATION OF STATE!! IN 1932 , IN FACT THE UK GAVE IRAQ ITS NAME, BEFORE IT WAS MESOPATOMIA!!!!

AMERICAN PUT SADDAM IN POWER!!!!!!!!

I TAKE IT YOU SAW THAT PROGRAM ON C4 ABOUT IRAN, AND GUESS WHO FUNDED SADDAM WITHIN THAT WAR!!!! AMERICA, DID THEY SAY THAT IN THE PROGRAM NO

AMERICA FUNDS WARS BETWEEN AFRICAN NATIONS JUST SO IT CAN GET ITS MINERALS



YOUR not even worth replying to with you BITCHY comments.



Comment deleted. Personal attacks of that nature on other Forum members are NOT tolerated. Warning given. Kaz.

[rex3]

Deleted. Duplicate post. Kaz.

[Tanser_Man]

In your opinion. Give me some hard line facts, evidence that america is doing such things? You can't!

You'll do and say anything in order to sway people into thinking anti-western views, even if it is a pack of lies.

The fact that you want me dead for replying with an opinion shows how worthwhile your cause is. Thanks.

P.S - My post wasn't bitchy, it was my view.

I have notified admin of your post.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
In your opinion. Give me some hard line facts, evidence that america is doing such things? You can't!

You'll do and say anything in order to sway people into thinking anti-western views, even if it is a pack of lies.

The fact that you want me dead for replying with an opinion shows how worthwhile your cause is. Thanks.

i meant if your dead how would you like it if i moaned about your mother morning for you and moaning about your death.

WHAT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE OF THE PHOTOS, THE SO CALLED NEW HITLER WITH THOSE JEWS, HOW ARE THEY LIES... IM NOT GONNA RIGHT ANOTHER ESSAY JUST FOR YOUR STUPID ASS... YOU CAN BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT, BUT YOUR STANCE... IS PRETTY NIHILISTIC.

[rex3]

And if you dont accept the WAR why are you winging about other people disliking the west, YOUR CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by rex3
And if you dont accept the WAR why are you winging about other people disliking the west, YOUR CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF.

Well thats funny because your moaning about people dying in the middle east but yet you'd be happy to see me dead for writing down a few words! Contradicting, yeah i think your right on that point.

I don't accept the war, i don't accept any war but it happend. What i was saying was, we can't change what happened so why dwell on the past?

[Tanser_Man]

To be honest I don't even want to debate with you, you've made your intentions clear.

Good Luck.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Tanser_Man
In your opinion. Give me some hard line facts, evidence that america is doing such things? You can't!

You'll do and say anything in order to sway people into thinking anti-western views, even if it is a pack of lies.

The fact that you want me dead for replying with an opinion shows how worthwhile your cause is. Thanks.

i meant if your dead how would you like it if i moaned about your mother morning for you and moaning about your death.

WHAT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE OF THE PHOTOS, THE SO CALLED NEW HITLER WITH THOSE JEWS, HOW ARE THEY LIES... Im NOT going to RIGHT ANOTHER ESSAY JUST FOR YOUR STUPID ASS... YOU CAN BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT, BUT YOUR STANCE... IS PRETTY NIHILISTIC.

Thanks.

[rex3]

Well thats funny because your moaning about people dying in the middle east but yet you'd be happy to see me dead for writing down a few words! Contradicting, yeah i think your right on that point.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, AGAIN LET ME REPEAT :-
if your dead how would you like it if i moaned about your mother morning for you and moaning about your death.

I don't accept the war, i don't accept any war but it happend. What i was saying was, we can't change what happened so why dwell on the past?

So why dont you ever say that about the Holocaust, or other. Why does Britain cling on to its past. WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING MUSEUMS.

YET YOUR BITCHY STINKING SELF IS MOANING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE COMPLAINING WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. EXPLAIN WHY IRAN SHOULDN'T HAVE A NUCLEAR BOMB, YET AMERICA CAN?????????? AMERICA IS DONE MORE HARM TO THE WORLD THROUGH BOMBS THAN IRAN!!! ISRAEL HAS ONE WHY CANT IRAN!!!!!

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
To be honest I don't even want to debate with you, you've made your intentions clear.

Good Luck.


coz your dont have a clue, you'v only come here to winge about forieners!!!!!

[GiRTh]

rex3 makes a number of good points unfortunately he makes them with such venom that it rather invalidates the point he's trying to make.

Tanser, it's a well-known fact that the CIA has its fingers in many pies all over the world, fact's will always be hard to come by due to the secrecy of that organisation.

Tanser, when I read your original post I was somewhat enraged by it but decided not to post. Much of what you state is a somewhat romantic view of the west's influence on the rest of the world.

We, the people of the west are innocent. Our governments, on the other hand, are not.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
Comment deleted. Kaz.

That wasn't needed :bored:

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by rex3
Comment deleted. Kaz.

That wasn't needed :bored:

thanks for pointing that out. but i meant :-

how would you like it if i winged about your mother moaning after his death.



his comments are so evil. Hes telling people to get over whats happened and the war that the WEST STARTED between IRAN and IRAQ....

HE'LL BE TELLING BLACK PEOPLE TO GET OVER THE SLAVE TRADE!!! GO ON THEN TANSER GO TELL A BLACK PERSON TO GET OVER THAT!!

[Tanser_Man]

If I died I would rather my mom get over it and rebuild her life without me, I wouldn't want her getting enraged about it... I’m dead, what’s done is done, she won't be able to get me back!

Iraq and the Middle East have a perfect chance to start again and get back to normality. Yes people died and yes people are affected, that goes without saying, but now is the time to move on and rebuild!
I don't mind Iran, as long as they are complying with UN regulations. If there not, it's there prerogative as to what will happen to them. They are steering there own ship.

And that sounds petty, ooo America have a bomb, I want one? Are we living as toddlers? Diplomacy seems to have gone out of the window!

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
If I died I would rather my mom get over it and rebuild her life without me, I wouldn't want her getting enraged about it... I’m dead, what’s done is done, she won't be able to get me back!

Iraq and the Middle East have a perfect chance to start again and get back to normality. Yes people died and yes people are affected, that goes without saying, but now is the time to move on and rebuild!
I don't mind Iran, as long as they are complying with UN regulations. If there not, it's there prerogative as to what will happen to them. They are steering there own ship.

And that sounds petty, ooo America have a bomb, I want one? Are we living as toddlers? Diplomacy seems to have gone out of the window!

can you get any worse...

GO TELL A BLACK PERSON TO GET OVER THE SLAVE TRADE!!



OH THEN WHY IS BRITAIN BUILDING A TRIDENT, WHICH CAN ALSO BE USED TO ATTACK AS WELL AS DEFENCE!!

[Tanser_Man]

Your totally missing the point of my posts, you making it out to be some racially motivated attack on the middle east....

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Your totally missing the point of my posts, you making it out to be some racially motivated attack on the middle east....

OH MY GOD *REX SLAMS HIS HEAD ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN*

THE TAMPERING AND ADJUSTMENT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FROM THE WEST WITH THE MIDDLE EAST OVER THE LONG YEARS IS THE SAME OR WORSE TAMPERINGS AS OF THE PERIOD OF THE SLAVE TRADE.

SO HOW COME YOU HAVENT TOLD A BLACK PERSON OR A RUSTEFERYAN TO GET OVER THAT.



MATE I SUGGEST YOU GET SOME HISTORY LESSON BECUASE THIS IS REALLY WHERE CLASHING...

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by GRiT
Tanser, it's a well-known fact that the CIA has its fingers in many pies all over the world, fact's will always be hard to come by due to the secrecy of that organisation.

Tanser, when I read your original post I was somewhat enraged by it but decided not to post. Much of what you state is a somewhat romantic view of the west's influence on the rest of the world.

We, the people of the west are innocent. Our governments, on the other hand, are not.

That's basically what i was saying, how can anyone be sure of anything if it's secret! I'm one of them people who doesn't believe untill it's in black and white.

It's being made out though by some people that we as British are exactly the same as our governments and there views and it is so far from the truth.

I;m sorry for enraging you, maybe I shouldn't have been so outspoken but i thought a forum was for debate.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
SO HOW COME YOU HAVENT TOLD A BLACK PERSON OR A RUSTEFERYAN TO GET OVER THAT.

I agree with a number of your points, but you seem to be singelling out the British/Americans as causing EVERY problem in the middle-eastern world - you can't expect that to wash well with us, when the main problem is our corrupt government and not the everyday people of our country. JUST like in arab countries! The problem is with their government, not the everyday people living in those countries.

[rex3]

...and what im saying is, imagine if your were middle-eastern youd be the biggest moaner ever, you'd probably become a terrorist.

tanser have you approached a rustterferian yet, and told him to stop moaning about the slave trade? just thought Id ask AGAIN...

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
...and what Im saying is, imagine if your were middle-eastern youd be the biggest moaner ever, you'd probably become a terrorist.

Excuse me? :conf:

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Your totally missing the point of my posts, you making it out to be some racially motivated attack on the middle east....

OH MY GOD *REX SLAMS HIS HEAD ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN*

THE TAMPERING AND ADJUSTMENT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FROM THE WEST WITH THE MIDDLE EAST OVER THE LONG YEARS IS THE SAME OR WORSE TAMPERINGS AS OF THE PERIOD OF THE SLAVE TRADE.

SO HOW COME YOU HAVENT TOLD A BLACK PERSON OR A RUSTEFERYAN TO GET OVER THAT.



MATE I SUGGEST YOU GET SOME HISTORY LESSON BECUASE THIS IS REALLY WHERE CLASHING...

Well I suggest you take anger management class's because your reply's have been upsetting.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
rustterferian

Thats a religion, not a race. Not all of the slaves were Rastafarian.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
I agree with a number of your points, but you seem to be singelling out the British/Americans as causing EVERY problem in the middle-eastern world - you can't expect that to wash well with us, when the main problem is our corrupt government and not the everyday people of our country. JUST like in arab countries! The problem is with their government, not the everyday people living in those countries.

IM NOT BLAIMING THE PEOPLE OF THE WEST.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............


WHEN ONE SAYS, WEST... they mean the powers/leaders/influencers. NOT THE POPULATION!!!!!!

[Kaz]

Closing this thread before it gets out of hand.