Were you insulted by Renees use of the word 'cancer'

[Withano]

The word alone cuts through me like a knife to the throat.. But her context was justified

She wasnt saying "hahaha cancer is funny" like some users misheard... She compared cancer to the worst person she has ever met.

There isnt disrespect here imo, she said at the beginning of the show that she despises bear, it is probable she feels the same way about cancer.

[Vicky.]

Not at all. I did find it a little two faced though how she was repeating to Aubrey that she did infact mean it how he took it, and then said a few worse cancer related things...however when making up she was all like..'you said I said you were cancer, I never said that'

Thats not the same as being offended though :laugh:

[Vanessa]

I wasn't offended, but it was a horrible thing to say. Then she tried to justify it to Bear. He could have kicked up a fuss over it, but he let it go.

[Daffodil]

It is utterly ridiculous to be offended by the use of cancer as a metaphor. And in Bear's case it was utterly justified.

[Amy Jade]

Not at all, it is a well known saying.

[Cherie]

It didn't particularly offend me, but then everyone's different and if you had experience of cancer you might feel differently :shrug:

[Firewire]

Imagine being offended by something so trivial

[Withano]

It didn't particularly offend me, but then everyone's different and if you had experience of cancer you might feel differently :shrug:

I think most people have had an experience with cancer though. 1 in 3 will eventually get it? Isnt that the stat?

[smudgie]

No.
It is a well known metaphor.
This coming from someone with one sister that has had cancer twice, another sister with terminal cancer, a sister-in-law with terminal cancer and numerous family members died from it.

[Cherie]

I think most people have had an experience with cancer though. 1 in 3 will eventually get it? Isnt that the stat?

Eventually being the operative word there I personally haven't had it or anyone close to me so as I said I'm not offended, but I'm not going to tell other people they shouldn't be like you seem to be doing

[ThriceShy]

The word alone cuts through me like a knife to the throat.. But her context was justified

She wasnt saying "hahaha cancer is funny" like some users misheard... She compared cancer to the worst person she has ever met.

There isnt disrespect here imo, she said at the beginning of the show that she despises bear, it is probable she feels the same way about cancer.

The irony is that she is far more like cancer than bear is. Cancer kills and her mobster family kill people and she apparently approves of it.

[Jay28jay2]

Mitch in BBCAN referenced Jared, Rail and Kelsey to be cancerous, that wasnt offensive?

[Withano]

The irony is that she is far more like cancer than bear is. Cancer kills and her mobster family kill people and she apparently approves of it.

Right.. But in the poll you said that the misuse of the word offends you a lot? So its hard to take your point seriously.. What is your point? Its offensive when others use it but not me? Thats a terrible point, that cant be it? Help me out.

[Clootie Dumpling]

I think it was clear that she chose her words carefully and it was heartfelt, so completely justifiable.

[letmein]

Imagine being offended by something so trivial

This is true of most of the UK today.

[Clootie Dumpling]

This is true of most of the UK today.

Generation Snowflake! :(

[armand.kay]

No people need to get over themselves

[Ammi]

..not personally offended, no...like many, many people, I've lost people I loved to cancer and also have people in my life who have survived cancer...it's one of those things though/in the way the word was used that would easily cause offence because of the associations and personal pain...

..it really does show the level of 'hate' in the house..(also in Renee saying that she actually wished physical harm on Bear..)..I mean wow...but it's all though been provoked/instigated/stirred up, mixed around and evoked by Bear..this is the house he wanted, this is the house that he's striven for, this is the house that he's given us...he's been relentless in that and now it's all like a monster to his Frankenstein...it was really never going to end any other way ..he's pushed/prodded and poked for the worst in people and that's exactly what he's got..and this is entertainment..?...this is to further his career or whatever..?..no, this is hate, for which he's greatly responsible and it really isn't pleasant at all...grim Bear/grim Renee...just grim, grim, grim ...

[Ammi]

..I mean, you just can't purposefully (whether it be part of a personal game-plan or not..)..bring out the very worst in people and then stand back with a lack of responsibility and ownership in what you've created or any surprise/shock at the level of that 'worst'...

[wendywillow]

..not personally offended, no...like many, many people, I've lost people I loved to cancer and also have people in my life who have survived cancer...it's one of those things though/in the way the word was used that would easily cause offence because of the associations and personal pain...

..it really does show the level of 'hate' in the house..(also in Renee saying that she actually wished physical harm on Bear..)..I mean wow...but it's all though been provoked/instigated/stirred up, mixed around and evoked by Bear..this is the house he wanted, this is the house that he's striven for, this is the house that he's given us...he's been relentless in that and now it's all like a monster to his Frankenstein...it was really never going to end any other way ..he's pushed/prodded and poked for the worst in people and that's exactly what he's got..and this is entertainment..?...this is to further his career or whatever..?..no, this is hate, for which he's greatly responsible and it really isn't pleasant at all...grim Bear/grim Renee...just grim, grim, grim ...




wow :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Mitch in BBCAN referenced Jared, Rail and Kelsey to be cancerous, that wasnt offensive?

No, that was just tacky.

[ebandit]

..renee...lacking class....again

Mark L

[Cherie]

..renee...lacking class....again

Mark L


Beautifully put :love:

[joeysteele]

I thought it warranted a talking to at least, more as to what she said to Aubrey as to it.

Not offended myself, more disappointed by her and that she lowered how I see her now.

[Cherie]

Different people are offended by different things depending on their life experiences I don't know what the purpose of this thread is in all honesty, we are not all the same I think most people know that

[azi]

nah

[Mystic Mock]

It's a bit of a strong word for me to call someone a cancer, but it's not as offensive to me as the actions that have happened in this series.

[y.winter]

No. Sometimes PC is just an acornym for personal computer.

[Patricia4]

Not at all

[power2thepeople]

It's not a metaphor I would personally use. Brits are more likely to say someone is poison or poisonous. If she had wished it upon him, I would certainly be shocked. She made a brasher comparison than Brits care to use. It's a commonly used metaphor in Holland. The difference is that the word 'poisonous' has lost it's impact as it's not as prevalent a cause of death as it was centuries ago. Cancer is. She was using a more contemporary metaphor to show how he affects her. She did not wish it upon him. Before anyone asks, yes I have lost 4 family members to cancer. Tommorow I'm holding an all day Summer Lights cake and crafts day for MacMillan Cancer Care. Hopefully raise plenty of pounds anyway.

[Clootie Dumpling]

It's not a metaphor I would personally use. Brits are more likely to say someone is poison or poisonous. If she had wished it upon him, I would certainly be shocked. She made a brasher comparison than Brits care to use. It's a commonly used metaphor in Holland. The difference is that the word 'poisonous' has lost it's impact as it's not as prevalent a cause of death as it was centuries ago. Cancer is. She was using a more contemporary metaphor to show how he affects her. She did not wish it upon him. Before anyone asks, yes I have lost 4 family members to cancer. Tommorow I'm holding an all day Summer Lights cake and crafts day for MacMillan Cancer Care. Hopefully raise plenty of pounds anyway.

I agree, P2TP. I think she used the word "cancer" because it was the worst thing she could think of and she felt so strongly about it, not because she wished it on him.

Your Summer Lights day sounds lovely. I hope it goes well and that you raise lots of money. :)

[power2thepeople]

Thankyou. I'm no Mary Berry but I'll give it a go!:laugh:

[Clootie Dumpling]

Thankyou. I'm no Mary Berry but I'll give it a go!:laugh:

:hee:

[hot2go]

No problem with her saying it, I lost some respect for her when she denied it ...." I Say it How It Is " is suppose to be her default setting according to Renee.
It showed dishonesty and weakness and I was disappointed with her.

[power2thepeople]

I can see your point. She did deny it. But she can't keep up the dishonesty. He had her and she knew it, so she started to laugh. Waiting for this to be pounced on as a sign she was laughing at her use of the metaphor. I saw it as 'ok,you got me, I can't deny it'. She did the same over spitgate in the bedroom when he knew she knew and she eventually admitted it. She's self aware herself that she 'says mean things' in the heat of a moment. As you said, and I do take your point, she initially flat denied it. But if she continued with a strong denial and never dissolved into laughter, the viewers are more than aware of the continued dishonesty. She said what she did in a meltdown. To sit outside in a quiet reflective moment with him and bring it back to that moment of 'telling it like it is' would also be slaughtered on here for being hardfaced, unforgiving, sucking the fun out of the show etc etc. Just my thoughts but I do take your point that initial denial was not a good look.

[alex_front2]

Secondary meaning of cancer

An evil or destructive practice or phenomenon that is hard to contain or eradicate.

For Renee Bear fits the description. So no.

[Northern Monkey]

If she was joking then it was in poor taste.However if she actually meant it(which i think she probably did after her saying she wants him whacked by her mobster mates) then she is disgusting.

[Ellen]

It was a statement that he was nasty, i have heard it before 'you are the Cancer of Society' etc. I don't believe she meant that she wished he had Cancer but that he was the nasty part that needs to go.

I wasn't insulted by it but can understand if some are.

[ScottyT]

Honestly if you're offended by something like that, you're not fit to live in this world.

[Liam-]

Not in the slightest, I agreed with her wholeheartedly.

[Ant.]

Bear fans not batting an eye when he and the ratpack victimised people like Saira yet losing their **** when someone compares him to cancer, which can be known as:

an evil or destructive practice or phenomenon that is hard to contain or eradicate.


lmao smh

[Ian Coke]

..not personally offended, no...like many, many people, I've lost people I loved to cancer and also have people in my life who have survived cancer...it's one of those things though/in the way the word was used that would easily cause offence because of the associations and personal pain...

..it really does show the level of 'hate' in the house..(also in Renee saying that she actually wished physical harm on Bear..)..I mean wow...but it's all though been provoked/instigated/stirred up, mixed around and evoked by Bear..this is the house he wanted, this is the house that he's striven for, this is the house that he's given us...he's been relentless in that and now it's all like a monster to his Frankenstein...it was really never going to end any other way ..he's pushed/prodded and poked for the worst in people and that's exactly what he's got..and this is entertainment..?...this is to further his career or whatever..?..no, this is hate, for which he's greatly responsible and it really isn't pleasant at all...grim Bear/grim Renee...just grim, grim, grim ...

Exactly. Bear is the king of hell in there. If most of us met someone like that in the real world, we'd be like 'Okay mate. Have a good night. Don't do too much more coke.' But because the other HMs are stuck with him, he's been at liberty to inflict his personality on them, over and over. The others are there for the money (fine) but Bear would happily live like that all the time, if he could. I just wonder how he's going to cope once the series is over.

[Yaki da]

No. Not at all. Fed up of people battling over who can pretend to be the most offended.

[power2thepeople]

Whoever wins tonight it's a sad state of affairs. Forced antagonism, forced provocation, forced and fake humour....well if that's a force of new humour on society, I despair. I wasn't forced to watch CBB but I did, as I wanted to view a number of HMS interacting. It's car crash TV. I'm just relieved I won't be watching Bear again. I'd rather watch real comedy and entertainment.

[ThriceShy]

If bear had called Renee cancer then there would be an absolute outcry on this forum.

[Vicky.]

Bear fans not batting an eye when he and the ratpack victimised people like Saira yet losing their **** when someone compares him to cancer, which can be known as:




lmao smh

Except this is assuming everyone who found it offensive is a Bear fan. Which is not the case.

Though again, I didn't personally.

[hijaxers]

The word alone cuts through me like a knife to the throat.. But her context was justified

She wasnt saying "hahaha cancer is funny" like some users misheard... She compared cancer to the worst person she has ever met.

There isnt disrespect here imo, she said at the beginning of the show that she despises bear, it is probable she feels the same way about cancer.

I love the Tiger Lillies song 'Cancer' everyone gets way too over the top , somethings gonna get everyone and why that word strikes everyone with fear is daft , tons of other things kill people but everyone seems to be striken by that word.

[Robodog]

It was pretty heavy to use it with such venom like she did. It is about the worst thing you can call someone.

Imagine if Bear had called her cancer! How do you think she would react?

Imagine how social media would react to Bear calling her that!

[Gusto Brunt]

Renee was an absolute disgrace.

For a woman her age. 68. She should have had the maturity to NOT use a very serious illness to make pathetic vindictive digs at Bear.

Bear, who is 40 years her junior, even he thought it was out of order.

Renee is an appalling person.

[dyfed]

Very accurate ... Thought when Aubrey said he was like herpes.....was spot on.

[reece(:]

It was pretty heavy to use it with such venom like she did. It is about the worst thing you can call someone.


Fitting cos he's the absolute worst type of person there is.

[Robodog]

Fitting cos he's the absolute worst type of person there is.

He's antagonising and a wally but...

There really are 'worse types of people' out there than Bear, just pick up any newspaper

Even in the BB house, Lewis and Saira are 100x worse than Bear. Both of them genuinely aggressive and intend to cause actual upset