has god ever given you a platform ?

[waterhog]

thank you st joseph (highgate) for the god given platform 13.09.16

you already no and give me shade
so why am i explaining
but just incase some feel its not my parade
god has given me permission for raining.
i did get in the lift
but my family were calling like a rooster
now on a downward shift
getting out before reaching lucifer.
i have got my job duty
i thank you for the perch
deliberately not putting work that's fruity
with upmost respect is the wall of church.
i often go inside
pure beauty that's so spiritual
recent renovations show pride
but the works had no effect on my ritual.
st joseph's do we have a deal
gratitude and respect i will always perform
a good few times god did not in reel
this message board is a god given platform.

http://www.stjosephshighgate.org.uk/

[arista]

There is No God
HOG

[Shaun]

he only ever gave me platform heels

[Mokka]

he only ever gave me platform heels

I approve !

[the truth]

Is there a supreme being , something greater than us that we cannot understand? Possibly. Lets face it, we discover more and more and realise then vast enormity of creation...Human minds cannot comprehend infinity, maybe a greater being can? Is it the same as was written in the Bible , maybe maybe not. How do I know?

Does the Bible have value? yes. Is it meant to be taken all literally or in some case metaphorically? probably? Is Jesus and his life story fascinating and is he, whether he is real or not, an incredible person who taught us many valuable lessons and a good role model and an enlightened person 2000 years ago? Yes.
Do some religious institutions become too intolerant and controlling? yes sometimes... Do people like to mock and sneer and throw cheap shots? yes always. Do we take anything away with that cynicism? Healthy cynicism is a good thing but it often goes too far and becomes negative and intolerant too. Does religion in some cases cause suffering? Yes, though often through the evil perverted misinterpretation of the scriptures by subhuman people.
Does religion inspire many great things too, yes on a massive scale. Should 1 religion be differentiated from another or are they all the same?
I see them as all very different though a belief in a God is universal.

Would the world be better without all religion? I doubt it,the world has always been at war before religion and it would after...with a population that rose from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 200 years, guess what? there will be endless wars over scarce resources.. but maybe our great great grandchildren will find out,
In short none of us know, so in the mean time hers some rock and roll.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY

[Northern Monkey]

I'm actually currently reading the bible.I'm not religious i just find it a very interesting look at how people thought back then.

[Josy]

I had some platform heels when I was younger, ma maw bought them for me though :think:

[Maru]

God needs to encourage shops around here to sell platform sandals again... I haven't found a new pair in a long time. I remember a time when I used to be able to reach the tops of things...

[waterhog]

There is No God
HOG


arista with a comment like that - u need a barrister.


shame on you - of course there is a god - love is everywhere.


( even with your no faith - I still love you arista. :dance:)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I got a pair of platform shoes in the 70s

I was so happy with them i fell asleep with them on my pilow and when I wioke up I had a huge crease mark on my face and it lasted till lunchtime

:bawling:

http://www.afunkyshoeandboot.com/Mensplatformshoesboots/F108Ruboffloafers.jpg

[Rob!]

I had some platform heels when I was younger, ma maw bought them for me though :think:

Your ma is God? :omgno:

[Kyle]

I had some platform heels when I was younger, ma maw bought them for me though :think:

Maw maw, wid ye look at this maw, can I hae these pleez?

Wit's that wee Josy?

New heels maw, can I have them pleez, I've been a good girl this year have I no maw?

Aye, ye have, you'll make a gid forum moderator one day so ye will but I cannae let you have these hen they'll wreck yir feet.

But maw, it's ma birthday next week you said you'd buy me something so you did. Oh jings, crivens, help ma bob the new iron maiden tape is oot can I hae that then instead maw?

Errrrrr..... What's yer feet size?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes. Doctors gave me not long to live when I was young so I wrote a letter randomly to Jesus saying I don't want to die and I'm still here. My dad still has the rusty letter.

I was very depressed at one time and praying gave me new outlook and courage to do things. I found some peace I never felt.

Believing is a gradual journey. It's not ''Hey god I want this and that and this and expect a CAR at the end and WORLD PEACE'' and then you get it. People have a misconception of having faith. God's world is not down here this is Lucifer's world down here.

[joeysteele]

Is there a supreme being , something greater than us that we cannot understand? Possibly. Lets face it, we discover more and more and realise then vast enormity of creation...Human minds cannot comprehend infinity, maybe a greater being can? Is it the same as was written in the Bible , maybe maybe not. How do I know?

Does the Bible have value? yes. Is it meant to be taken all literally or in some case metaphorically? probably? Is Jesus and his life story fascinating and is he, whether he is real or not, an incredible person who taught us many valuable lessons and a good role model and an enlightened person 2000 years ago? Yes.
Do some religious institutions become too intolerant and controlling? yes sometimes... Do people like to mock and sneer and throw cheap shots? yes always. Do we take anything away with that cynicism? Healthy cynicism is a good thing but it often goes too far and becomes negative and intolerant too. Does religion in some cases cause suffering? Yes, though often through the evil perverted misinterpretation of the scriptures by subhuman people.
Does religion inspire many great things too, yes on a massive scale. Should 1 religion be differentiated from another or are they all the same?
I see them as all very different though a belief in a God is universal.

Would the world be better without all religion? I doubt it,the world has always been at war before religion and it would after...with a population that rose from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 200 years, guess what? there will be endless wars over scarce resources.. but maybe our great great grandchildren will find out,
In short none of us know, so in the mean time hers some rock and roll.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY

Really good thought provoking post that the truth, really good.

My only answer to the question in the title of this thread is not to my knowledge

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is there a supreme being , something greater than us that we cannot understand? Possibly. Lets face it, we discover more and more and realise then vast enormity of creation...Human minds cannot comprehend infinity, maybe a greater being can? Is it the same as was written in the Bible , maybe maybe not. How do I know?

Does the Bible have value? yes. Is it meant to be taken all literally or in some case metaphorically? probably? Is Jesus and his life story fascinating and is he, whether he is real or not, an incredible person who taught us many valuable lessons and a good role model and an enlightened person 2000 years ago? Yes.
Do some religious institutions become too intolerant and controlling? yes sometimes... Do people like to mock and sneer and throw cheap shots? yes always. Do we take anything away with that cynicism? Healthy cynicism is a good thing but it often goes too far and becomes negative and intolerant too. Does religion in some cases cause suffering? Yes, though often through the evil perverted misinterpretation of the scriptures by subhuman people.
Does religion inspire many great things too, yes on a massive scale. Should 1 religion be differentiated from another or are they all the same?
I see them as all very different though a belief in a God is universal.

Would the world be better without all religion? I doubt it,the world has always been at war before religion and it would after...with a population that rose from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 200 years, guess what? there will be endless wars over scarce resources.. but maybe our great great grandchildren will find out,
In short none of us know, so in the mean time hers some rock and roll.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY

what on earth are you on about?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Is there a supreme being , something greater than us that we cannot understand? Possibly. Lets face it, we discover more and more and realise then vast enormity of creation...Human minds cannot comprehend infinity, maybe a greater being can? Is it the same as was written in the Bible , maybe maybe not. How do I know?

Does the Bible have value? yes. Is it meant to be taken all literally or in some case metaphorically? probably? Is Jesus and his life story fascinating and is he, whether he is real or not, an incredible person who taught us many valuable lessons and a good role model and an enlightened person 2000 years ago? Yes.
Do some religious institutions become too intolerant and controlling? yes sometimes... Do people like to mock and sneer and throw cheap shots? yes always. Do we take anything away with that cynicism? Healthy cynicism is a good thing but it often goes too far and becomes negative and intolerant too. Does religion in some cases cause suffering? Yes, though often through the evil perverted misinterpretation of the scriptures by subhuman people.
Does religion inspire many great things too, yes on a massive scale. Should 1 religion be differentiated from another or are they all the same?
I see them as all very different though a belief in a God is universal.

Would the world be better without all religion? I doubt it,the world has always been at war before religion and it would after...with a population that rose from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 200 years, guess what? there will be endless wars over scarce resources.. but maybe our great great grandchildren will find out,
In short none of us know, so in the mean time hers some rock and roll.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY

Will you marry me?

[user104658]

No... but he gave me something far greater than that. A best friend... Jesus :hee:

[Johnnyuk123]

I'm all for people believing in whatever they want to believe in. That is a good thing. :clap1: But at the same time i also don't believe in any kind of religion. Yup and that is my choice too. ( straight to hell and all that :joker:) I believe that you can be a good person and do the right things in life without religion. I don't believe that i need someones advice whom i have never met or are ever likely to meet to tell me that in order to be a good person i must to do this or that or follow this or that book or i will burn in hell for all eternity. My own free will and common sense see's right through this and allows me to stand on my own two feet and make that decision all by myself. :wavey:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm all for people believing in whatever they want to believe in. That is a good thing. :clap1: But at the same time i also don't believe in any kind of religion. Yup and that is my choice too. ( straight to hell and all that :joker:) I believe that you can be a good person and do the right things in life without religion. I don't believe that i need someones advice whom i have never met or are ever likely to meet to tell me that in order to be a good person i must to do this or that or follow this or that book or i will burn in hell for all eternity. My own free will and common sense see's right through this and allows me to stand on my own two feet and make that decision all by myself. :wavey:

It's not about being a good person only even a good person can go to hell.

[Johnnyuk123]

It's not about being a good person only even a good person can go to hell.

Please explain how a good religious person can still go to hell....

[Marsh.]

Please explain how a good religious person can still go to hell....

"Religious" is an ambiguous term. Which religion are you talking about?

[Kazanne]

I'de rather live my life like there is a God and find out there isn't , than live as though there isn't and find out there is . I do believe in a higher being

[Johnnyuk123]

"Religious" is an ambiguous term. Which religion are you talking about?

All of them.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Please explain how a good religious person can still go to hell....

Good person and religious person are seperate things. You said you don't need anyone to tell you what to do in order to be a good person. Even if someone is the nicest person in the world, caring to everyone , donates, gentle that's great for people they meet but that alone doesn't get you into heaven.

To asnswer your question though anyone can call themselves religious but are they doing actually doing what's required. Some pastors call themselves religious but are using it to molest, or steal, or commit adultery.

[joeysteele]

I'de rather live my life like there is a God and find out there isn't , than live as though there isn't and find out there is . I do believe in a higher being

That seems a good stance to take Kazanne.

I was born into a Roman Catholic family,I moved away from a lot of the expectations and teachings of that faith but hold onto bits.
I keep a very open mind on there being a higher being or an energy definitely, as you appear to too.

[Johnnyuk123]

Good person and religious person are seperate things. You said you don't need anyone to tell you what to do in order to be a good person. Even if someone is the nicest person in the world, caring to everyone , donates, gentle that's great for people they meet but that alone doesn't get you into heaven.

To asnswer your question though anyone can call themselves religious but are they doing actually doing what's required. Some pastors call themselves religious but are using it to molest, or steal, or commit adultery.

What do you get when you get into heaven?

[bots]

i don't mean to attack anyone for their beliefs, but I've met many devout religious people who were anything but good and kind to their fellow man. Likewise, I've met many good and kind non religious people. If there is a god that sets some sort of exam/judgement prior to opening the door, I don't honestly see being religious as the main criteria for admittance

[joeysteele]

i don't mean to attack anyone for their beliefs, but I've met many devout religious people who were anything but good and kind to their fellow man. Likewise, I've met many good and kind non religious people. If there is a god that sets some sort of exam/judgement prior to opening the door, I don't honestly see being religious as the main criteria for admittance

Good post and totally right.

I have found some who are regular churchgoers really rude and massively unpleasant people.
All pious in Church in front of the Priest, then totally intolerant and extremely ignorant once out of it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

What do you get when you get into heaven?

We're just passing by on earth. Your spirit has eternal happiness. If you were to die tomorrow it doesn't end there. Faith down here in Lucifer's pit is to prepare you for that life.

[Johnnyuk123]

We're just passing by on earth. Your spirit has eternal happiness. If you were to die tomorrow it doesn't end there. Faith down here in Lucifer's pit is to prepare you for that life.

Any links to provide factual evidence to this statement?

[Kyle]

We're just passing by on earth. Your spirit has eternal happiness. If you were to die tomorrow it doesn't end there. Faith down here in Lucifer's pit is to prepare you for that life.

I think I'd rather take non existence than being some mindless automaton Wandering around a cloud with a permanent grin etched across my mug for eternity.

[joeysteele]

We're just passing by on earth. Your spirit has eternal happiness. If you were to die tomorrow it doesn't end there. Faith down here in Lucifer's pit is to prepare you for that life.

I often used to think that when in my teens, I think a lot of it has remained in me too.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Any links to provide factual evidence to this statement?

Here is a passage about this not being his world
"do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone should love the world, the love of the Father is not in him, because all that is in the world, the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the vaunting of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. And the world is passing away, and its desire; but the one doing the will of God abides to the age."

[Johnnyuk123]

Here is a passage about this hot bein his world
"do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone should love the world, the love of the Father is not in him, because all that is in the world, the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the vaunting of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. And the world is passing away, and its desire; but the one doing the will of God abides to the age."

I will ask again... any Factual evidence?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I often used to think that when in my teens, I think a lot of it has remained in me too.

Me too.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I will ask again... any Factual evidence?

What factual event are you looking for? You want me to yank someone out of heaven right now? :shrug: The word here is faith once you open yourself up to that possibility you feel different about things. Once you've got that faith and are persistent with it, you know it doesn't end when your loved ones bury your corpse in the ground.

[Marsh.]

Any links to provide factual evidence to this statement?

She doesn't need to provide you with factual evidence for her own personal beliefs. They're hers, not yours.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I think I'd rather take non existence than being some mindless automaton Wandering around a cloud with a permanent grin etched across my mug for eternity.

I know it's a lot easier to just not believe and get on with everything you have to deal with down here, even people of faith know that and it's not an easy journey. That's why God doesn't force anyone it's your choice whether you believe it or not but when it's too late, he tried :shrug:

Btw the other choice is not non existence, it's burning and you feel it.

[Marsh.]

All of them.

Well then your question can't be answered since the reason for different religions is they believe in different things.

[Johnnyuk123]

What factual event are you looking for? You want me to yank someone out of heaven right now? :shrug: The word here is faith once you open yourself up to that possibility you feel different about things. Once you've got that faith and are persistent with it, you know it doesn't end when your loved ones bury your corpse in the ground.

Why would any creator let people suffer and die. This god is the creator of everything and loves everyone so why would his love for everyone allow his followers to suffer from cancer or other ailments and simply just die? Also as the creator of everything why create the devil? Any decent creator would simply remove said ailments and evil people like the devil from this world in the blink of an eye. A real god would want everyone to live forever and death pain and suffering would never be an option.

[Marsh.]

Why would any creator let people suffer and die. This god is the creator of everything and loves everyone so why would his love for everyone allow his followers to suffer from cancer or other ailments and simply just die? Also as the creator of everything why create the devil? Any decent creator would simply remove said ailments and evil people like the devil from this world in the blink of an eye. A real god would want everyone to live forever and death pain and suffering would never be an option.

Who says this supposed creator is "allowing" these things to happen? There could be other forces also at work. Hence the good/bad, light/shade nature of life. :smug:

Who said he created the devil, maybe they both came into existence the same way as each other.

Also, majority of the religions do believe in living forever. Just not on this earth.
And, personally, I couldn't think of anything worse than living forever on this rock. SHOW ME PARADISE!!! :fist:

[Johnnyuk123]

Who says this supposed creator is "allowing" these things to happen? There could be other forces also at work. Hence the good/bad, light/shade nature of life. :smug:

Who said he created the devil, maybe they both came into existence the same way as each other.

Also, majority of the religions do believe in living forever. Just not on this earth.
And, personally, I couldn't think of anything worse than living forever on this rock. SHOW ME PARADISE!!! :fist:

He said he is the creator of everything. If he isn't then who is?

[Marsh.]

He said he is the creator of everything. If he isn't then who is?

Who said? God said? When was this?

[Johnnyuk123]

Who said? God said? When was this?

He created everythng on this earth in seven days did he not?

[Johnnyuk123]

I lost my mother to cancer. God created everything so he did that. Lost a sister to heart disease. He did that apparently... He created everything so he has to own that one too. I can go on...

[Marsh.]

He created everythng on this earth in seven days did he not?

Did he?

Which religion are we discussing? You seem to be running away with yourself.

[Johnnyuk123]

Did he?

Which religion are we discussing? You seem to be running away with yourself.

So you are suggesting that God did not create everything?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Why would any creator let people suffer and die. This god is the creator of everything and loves everyone so why would his love for everyone allow his followers to suffer from cancer or other ailments and simply just die? Also as the creator of everything why create the devil? Any decent creator would simply remove said ailments and evil people like the devil from this world in the blink of an eye. A real god would want everyone to live forever and death pain and suffering would never be an option.

Questions that everyone, even people of faith have asked, even Jesus asked the question when he was on the cross.. He said '' why have you deserted me?'' . But god knows the long term plan. Our idea of what a god should be like is just that, our idea. In our mind if there really is a god, no disease, no war, not etc but as he says this is not his world. If someone dies, maybe it was just their time.

''A real god would want everyone to live forever and death pain and suffering would never be an option'' this is what he wants for all of us but not down here. Lucifer was one of his angels then he developed jealousy etc. He was banished from heaven. We're basically Lucifer's little puppets down here and the words that God gave us through the bible are like the tools we should take advantage of to survive the best we can down here.

[Johnnyuk123]

Brother gone.. brain tumor. Thanks God. Great job. :clap1::clap1:
He's a keeper ain't he?

[Marsh.]

So you are suggesting that God did not create everything?

I haven't suggested anything about any God, you seem to be plucking things out of thin air.

Earlier, you were suggesting you were discussing "all religions". The entire reason there is more than one is they all vary in their beliefs and reasons for things like disaster and disease. So it's kind of difficult to discuss them in a one-size-fits-all rule.

Throwing passive aggressive/sarcastic questions out into the conversation isn't really constructive is it?

[Marsh.]

Brother gone.. brain tumor. Thanks God. Great job. :clap1::clap1:
He's a keeper ain't he?

Yes, and humanity (both religious and non religious) have, still now and will continue to ponder questions about reasons for cases such as this and natural disasters. What's your point?

[Johnnyuk123]

Questions that everyone, even people of faith have asked, even Jesus asked the question when he was on the cross.. He said '' why have you deserted me?'' . But god knows the long term plan. Our idea of what a god should be like is just that, our idea. In our mind if there really is a god, no disease, no war, not etc but as he says this is not his world. If someone dies, maybe it was just their time.

''A real god would want everyone to live forever and death pain and suffering would never be an option'' this is what he wants for all of us but not down here. Lucifer was one of his angels then he developed jealousy etc. He was banished from heaven. We're basically Lucifer's little puppets down here and the words that God gave us through the bible are like the tools we should take advantage of to survive the best we can down here.

All your beliefs are down to which book you picked up and read. You could have easily picked up another book and be voicing your opinion on that book as your truth.

[Johnnyuk123]

Yes, and humanity (both religious and non religious) have, still now and will continue to ponder questions about reasons for cases such as this and natural disasters. What's your point?

Please remember that God is always watching apparently before you post comments like this.:nono:

[Marsh.]

All your beliefs are down to which book you picked up and read. You could have easily picked up another book and be voicing your opinion on that book as your truth.

Who are you to dictate to CeeCee where her beliefs originate?

[Marsh.]

Please remember that God is always watching apparently before you post comments like this.:nono:

Oh, so you'll just continue to be non-constructive. Got it. :thumbs:

[Johnnyuk123]

Who are you to dictate to CeeCee where her beliefs originate?

But God can dictate and you have no issue on calling him out? Explain?

[Marsh.]

But God can dictate and you have no issue on calling him out? Explain?

What on earth are you waffling on about now? :joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Oh, so you'll just continue to be non-constructive. Got it. :thumbs:

The bible teaches love and respect to others. When will you follow it's teachings?

[Marsh.]

The bible teaches love and respect to others. When will you follow it's teachings?

Who said I should and why do you care if I did? :umm2:

[Johnnyuk123]

Who said I should and why do you care if I did? :umm2:

Ask God he has all the answers?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Brother gone.. brain tumor. Thanks God. Great job. :clap1::clap1:
He's a keeper ain't he?

God created everything we NEED- land, water, vegetation, earth, animals everything NEED to survive.

All was good until Eve and Adam was tempted and released everything that god did not want us to suffer with. There are passages that say disease is from the devil. I think that's why when Pastors pray for people with disease they say the DEVIL IS A LIAR.

You can blame god for your family dying but were they people of faith, did they even attempt to pray more than once persistently?:shrug: God is not your puppet you can't ignore his rules most of the times and expect things to always go well that one time. :shrug:

Having said that, I'm sorry to hear about your family.

[Marsh.]

Ask God he has all the answers?

Are you going to actually contribute something to the discussion or keep making random unrelated remarks?

[Johnnyuk123]

Are you going to actually contribute something to the discussion or keep making random unrelated remarks?

Besides trying to bait people online what else do you offer?

[Marsh.]

Besides trying to bait people online what else do you offer?

Where have I baited you? :umm2:

You're the one incapable of engaging in discussion.

[waterhog]

this debate is getting very heated - I suggest the platform ends here.

[Northern Monkey]

So when you go to hell you burn in an eternal fire?You feel pain for eternity?
How is it possible when your soul is no longer connected to your brain or your nerves basically your body?Pain is a physical reaction,How would one feel pain(a physical reaction) without physically existing?

[Marsh.]

So when you go to hell you burn in an eternal fire?You feel pain for eternity?
How is it possible when your soul is no longer connected to your brain or your nerves basically your body?Pain is a physical reaction,How would one feel pain(a physical reaction) without physically existing?

Well how do you know what it's like to exist as a soul? :smug:

[Kyle]

God created everything we NEED- land, water, vegetation, earth, animals everything NEED to survive.

All was good until Eve and Adam was tempted and released everything that god did not want us to suffer with. There are passages that say disease is from the devil. I think that's why when Pastors pray for people with disease they say the DEVIL IS A LIAR.

You can blame god for your family dying but were they people of faith,ndid they even attempt to pray more than once persistently?:shrug: God is not your puppet you can't ignore his rules most of the times and expect things to always go well that one time. :shrug:

Having said that, I'm sorry to hear about your family.

Are you a creationist?

[Kizzy]

I'm a firm believer in god and would go as far as to say that the conscience is maybe the guiding light that we should all listen to, too many ignore theirs and sadly a growing number don't appear to have one at all.

I also believe free will is a powerful tool, and can be ulilised to great effect however as many don't have a clue how to use it can find themselves leading a life that driven by negativity and ill will, radiating this attracts the same back.

What I am trying to say is I feel god gave us all a platform, yet it's at best misunderstood.

[Jessica.]

There is no God.

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[Northern Monkey]

Well how do you know what it's like to exist as a soul? :smug:I don't personally believe in such a thing as a soul but the idea is that it transcends the physical restraints of the body.Without the mechanisms of the body then pain does not exist as it is a physical reaction created by the body to warn us to stop doing whatever it is we're doing that is harming us.Does a soul have pain receptors,a brain or nerves just like a physical body?

[Marsh.]

I don't personally believe in such a thing as a soul but the idea is that it transcends the physical restraints of the body.Without the mechanisms of the body then pain does not exist as it is a physical reaction created by the body to warn us to stop doing whatever it is we're doing that is harming us.Does a soul have pain receptors,a brain or nerves just like a physical body?

Well, that's what I was getting at. If we do indeed have souls then we don't really know anything about them or how they work. :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

I remember as a child kneeling at the foot of my bed once asking God a question. I never got a response. I wasn't asking for material things for Christmas or to get the math teacher at school that i didn't like sacked. I simply asked him that as the creator of everything why did he create cancer? He never got back to me.:shrug:

[Alf]

I am God

[Mokka]

I remember as a child kneeling at the foot of my bed once asking God a question. I never got a response. I wasn't asking for material things for Christmas or to get the math teacher at school that i didn't like sacked. I simply asked him that as the creator of everything why did he create cancer? He never got back to me.:shrug:

Sorry to hear about all the loss you have had Johnny. :sad: It sounds like you have had a pretty rough go of it </3

I think you are missing something within this conversation with Marsh. Marsh hasn't claimed to be a believer or to hold to one type of religious belief over another... he is just arguing for CeCe's right to her own belief. So asking him about how he justifies different religious doctrines that stem from the Bible and the Christian religious is a mute point...because he isn't saying he follows the bible or is a Christian himself.

Also, different religions have different origin stories and different gods...so you can't group all religion into one heading on many of your arguments.

That being said... I am not a believer myself... and I understand where you are coming from. There is no God to blame for your losses... imo... it is just the nature of life itself, and the type of world we, as in our current society of people, have created to live in. Some of it is down to no rhyme or reason...some is due to our environment and circumstance. It sucks that so many tragic circumstances have hit you and your loved ones. No one deserved or earned it though...it just happens. :hug:

[user104658]

I remember as a child kneeling at the foot of my bed once asking God a question. I never got a response. I wasn't asking for material things for Christmas or to get the math teacher at school that i didn't like sacked. I simply asked him that as the creator of everything why did he create cancer? He never got back to me.:shrug:

One of the few times I've ever felt that I can relate, Johnny :joker:.

I wasn't just raised without religion. I didn't just wake up in my happy bed one morning and decide "nah, not for me". I felt its absence so strongly at an early age that it was never even a remote possibility to consider. I looked at my experiences, and I looked at the world, and it was crystal clear. The world is chaos, it has no intrinsic meaning, and it is pain. The only real goodness in the world is what people have created for ourselves: Art, music, sport and other recreation. Emotional connections - desperately clinging to other humans (or animals) as we hurtle through infinity on a speck of dust.

My own grandmother was fit and healthy, for a 74 year old. She was walking into town... no need to cross any major roads. But she saw the minister of her church across the road and wanted to chat to him about church stuff, so she crossed. She was hit by a car doing 60mph, and hit her head on the road. She seemed OK in hospital... but then she slowly started to lose her mind, with a brain injury. She regressed to a toddler like state like ****ing Benjamin Button over the course of 2 months, being cared for by my mother, and then she died a screaming, terrified death in our house while I sat on my bed in the next room. My mother pretty much checked out of parenting that night and never returned. I was 8. By the time I was 15 she was a full blown alcoholic and had flushed her career down the pan. By the time I was 30 her liver had melted, her face had started to rot off in her hospital bed, and I was sat at her funeral thinking "She died over 20 years ago anyway".

Crossed the road to talk to her minister.

I always thought it was ironic. Then I met my wife... and she told me a story about how her own dear great-grandmother was living comfotably in her twilight years. Happy, content, just liked to make sure she got out on Sunday to attend church. Where she slipped on a stone step and bashed HER head in. And died a slow moaning death in hospital. Thanks again, God! Good going, Jesus ol' pal! Absolute screamer!

Hmmm.

Now I have to wonder... does God simply not exist, or is he just a cruel bastard with the darkest sense of humor imaginable? Is he a full blown psychopath?

Nah. The only logical answer is that he does not exist. When you get older and start to add in things like a greater understanding of the scale of the universe, logic, reasoning, multiple varied religions based purely on geography, a quick look at the political origins of organised religion... et al... it only becomes even more obvious.


People have the right to believe whatever they want to believe, that much is true. That doesn't mean that the rest of us have to smile and nod and pretend that any of it is ****ing vaguely plausible. It bugs the **** out of me. I also find it strange that the "right to believe what you believe" only seems to extend to the religious and not the non-religious. The non-religious, apparently, have to pretend to believe that it's all valid and possible even if we don't.

[Kizzy]

One of the few times I've ever felt that I can relate, Johnny :joker:.

I wasn't just raised without religion. I didn't just wake up in my happy bed one morning and decide "nah, not for me". I felt its absence so strongly at an early age that it was never even a remote possibility to consider. I looked at my experiences, and I looked at the world, and it was crystal clear. The world is chaos, it has no intrinsic meaning, and it is pain. The only real goodness in the world is what people have created for ourselves: Art, music, sport and other recreation. Emotional connections - desperately clinging to other humans (or animals) as we hurtle through infinity on a speck of dust.

My own grandmother was fit and healthy, for a 74 year old. She was walking into town... no need to cross any major roads. But she saw the minister of her church across the road and wanted to chat to him about church stuff, so she crossed. She was hit by a car doing 60mph, and hit her head on the road. She seemed OK in hospital... but then she slowly started to lose her mind, with a brain injury. She regressed to a toddler like state like ****ing Benjamin Button over the course of 2 months, being cared for by my mother, and then she died a screaming, terrified death in our house while I sat on my bed in the next room. My mother pretty much checked out of parenting that night and never returned. I was 8. By the time I was 15 she was a full blown alcoholic and had flushed her career down the pan. By the time I was 30 her liver had melted, her face had started to rot off in her hospital bed, and I was sat at her funeral thinking "She died over 20 years ago anyway".

Crossed the road to talk to her minister.

I always thought it was ironic. Then I met my wife... and she told me a story about how her own dear great-grandmother was living comfotably in her twilight years. Happy, content, just liked to make sure she got out on Sunday to attend church. Where she slipped on a stone step and bashed HER head in. And died a slow moaning death in hospital. Thanks again, God! Good going, Jesus ol' pal! Absolute screamer!

Hmmm.

Now I have to wonder... does God simply not exist, or is he just a cruel bastard with the darkest sense of humor imaginable? Is he a full blown psychopath?

Nah. The only logical answer is that he does not exist. When you get older and start to add in things like a greater understanding of the scale of the universe, logic, reasoning, multiple varied religions based purely on geography, a quick look at the political origins of organised religion... et al... it only becomes even more obvious.


People have the right to believe whatever they want to believe, that much is true. That doesn't mean that the rest of us have to smile and nod and pretend that any of it is ****ing vaguely plausible. It bugs the **** out of me. I also find it strange that the "right to believe what you believe" only seems to extend to the religious and not the non-religious. The non-religious, apparently, have to pretend to believe that it's all valid and possible even if we don't.

TS, I don't know what to say... after reading that I get how it would be hard to try to convince yourself of any force for good being in the world.
Your partner and children are all you need to believe in and they you. x

[jaxie]

One of the few times I've ever felt that I can relate, Johnny :joker:.

I wasn't just raised without religion. I didn't just wake up in my happy bed one morning and decide "nah, not for me". I felt its absence so strongly at an early age that it was never even a remote possibility to consider. I looked at my experiences, and I looked at the world, and it was crystal clear. The world is chaos, it has no intrinsic meaning, and it is pain. The only real goodness in the world is what people have created for ourselves: Art, music, sport and other recreation. Emotional connections - desperately clinging to other humans (or animals) as we hurtle through infinity on a speck of dust.

My own grandmother was fit and healthy, for a 74 year old. She was walking into town... no need to cross any major roads. But she saw the minister of her church across the road and wanted to chat to him about church stuff, so she crossed. She was hit by a car doing 60mph, and hit her head on the road. She seemed OK in hospital... but then she slowly started to lose her mind, with a brain injury. She regressed to a toddler like state like ****ing Benjamin Button over the course of 2 months, being cared for by my mother, and then she died a screaming, terrified death in our house while I sat on my bed in the next room. My mother pretty much checked out of parenting that night and never returned. I was 8. By the time I was 15 she was a full blown alcoholic and had flushed her career down the pan. By the time I was 30 her liver had melted, her face had started to rot off in her hospital bed, and I was sat at her funeral thinking "She died over 20 years ago anyway".

Crossed the road to talk to her minister.

I always thought it was ironic. Then I met my wife... and she told me a story about how her own dear great-grandmother was living comfotably in her twilight years. Happy, content, just liked to make sure she got out on Sunday to attend church. Where she slipped on a stone step and bashed HER head in. And died a slow moaning death in hospital. Thanks again, God! Good going, Jesus ol' pal! Absolute screamer!

Hmmm.

Now I have to wonder... does God simply not exist, or is he just a cruel bastard with the darkest sense of humor imaginable? Is he a full blown psychopath?

Nah. The only logical answer is that he does not exist. When you get older and start to add in things like a greater understanding of the scale of the universe, logic, reasoning, multiple varied religions based purely on geography, a quick look at the political origins of organised religion... et al... it only becomes even more obvious.


People have the right to believe whatever they want to believe, that much is true. That doesn't mean that the rest of us have to smile and nod and pretend that any of it is ****ing vaguely plausible. It bugs the **** out of me. I also find it strange that the "right to believe what you believe" only seems to extend to the religious and not the non-religious. The non-religious, apparently, have to pretend to believe that it's all valid and possible even if we don't.

What a tragedy for a childhood experience. So sorry to hear about it. I can empathise as I had my own experiences. My own dad really suffered due to diabetes and having both legs amputated when I was in my teens. My mother who had leanings towards addiction became an alcoholic to escape in self pity a disabled husband. My poor dad, who was a lovely man, died when I was in my late twenties, within 3 months of my best friend dying of leukemia. Maybe that's why I'm such a cynic! I think when you've seen that kind of suffering close to it opens your eyes a lot to the world and our place in it though I did come to the conclusion there was no god before this.

I went to a church school, it had strong connections with the local church but in my early twenties I just realised I didn't believe in any of it and that was that. It was actually a relief to admit it to myself and I'm comfortable with it.

[jaxie]

TS, I don't know what to say... after reading that I get how it would be hard to try to convince yourself of any force for good being in the world.
Your partner and children are all you need to believe in and they you. x

You don't have to believe in god to be good or have a force for good just like you don't have to believe to have a conscience. There are bad, evil people who follow faith. Probably as many as don't.

[Northern Monkey]

Sad story TS.Sounds like some tough times.
I tend to agree with your points and am 99% on the side of non believer.To me it seems that the more humanity discovers about the universe and life that the more religious concepts and stories are proven to be false.
I do believe that in the Bible there is alot that is true.Not the miracles etc but the people in there.The stories in the New Testament are set in the middle east when it was under Roman rule and many of the protagonists are pretty certain to have existed through other historical non religious texts and archeology.I believe Jesus was a real dude but he was one of many preachers of his time and his disciples were real and had their parts to play in documenting and fabricating their parts of the bible.I don't hate religion,I find it very interesting as a historical reference to certain events and how people thought and how people wrote fiction.I think the bible is a pretty epic set of writings.
Saying all this i never say never as i don't know enough to give a definitive answer.I don't think anyone does or ever will know all the facts of the universe but it gets ever more unlikely that it was created by a supreme being.

[Kizzy]

You don't have to believe in god to be good or have a force for good just like you don't have to believe to have a conscience. There are bad, evil people who follow faith. Probably as many as don't.

Did I say you did?...