Teacher has sex with students.

[The_Hitman]

This is a news report from South Carolina, America.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/01/teacher.arrest.ap/index.html

I don't mean to throw a spanner in the works but she's quite sexy and when I was 15, she would have been more than welcome to give me some 'after hours' tuition.

Are these boys really 'victims' like the article says?

[tinkerbell]

She's vile.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by The_Hitman

Are these boys really 'victims' like the article says?

It's not a case of that it's more that the teacher should know better. In that respect they are victims.

If she can't control herself then she's in the wrong profession.

[Siouxsie]

Absoulutely Disgusting

[MarkWaldorf]

Them students were no way victims. If they were I would consider it rape. They met up at motels and such so they're all to blame.

[Sophii3x]

Eww.. That's discusting AND illeagal

[MarkWaldorf]

Obviously Sophie, hence why she's being arrested. :tongue:

[Sophii3x]

Ahh yea:rolleyes:
Why would 14-15 year old boys want to sleep with her?

[MarkWaldorf]

Most kids are in a rush to have sex these days anyways. America's all big in gansta behaviour anyway, wouldn't surprise me if the kids were under achievers.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Ahh yea:rolleyes:
Why would 14-15 year old boys want to sleep with her?

Errrm...I wonder. I don't even want to answer this. Can one of the younger lad have a crack at this one.

[The_Hitman]

It's like driving an ice-cream van up to a crowd of fat kids.

[Sunny_01]

I have mixed feelings about this. 15 is such an in between age, where they are kind of ready to try being an adult but not quite mentally old enough to get on in the adult world.

As a teacher she really should have known better, while it has been said what would he want to do with her, I wonder what a grown woman wants with a teenager. I certainly wouldnt want to sleep with a boy of his immaturity!

[~Kizwiz~]

This is a tricky one. I agree with Sunny that 15 is a borderline age but the teacher is duty bond to protect the pupils she teaches.

[Emilee]

Thats so gross. And she is soo not sexy Hitman!

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by kizwiz
the teacher is duty bond to protect the pupils she teaches.

Duty bond? Is that like tieing them up? Bondage IS compulsory? With protection?

I think it was just straight forward sex, no kinky stuff, but I like your train of thought kizwiz. I wish you'd been my teacher.:love:

[Bells]

That's really disgusting, even if the students had been willing (and I honestly can't understand why), they were probably vulnerable to the situation. And the teacher should NOT have taken advantage of it.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by The_Hitman
Originally posted by kizwiz
the teacher is duty bond to protect the pupils she teaches.

Duty bond? Is that like tieing them up? Bondage IS compulsory? With protection?

I think it was just staight forward sex, no kinky stuff, but I like your train of thought kizwiz. I wish you'd been my teacher.:love:

Kinky......me...???? You must have the wrong person :whistle:

Anyhoot..... moving swiftly on.....

I meant duty bound :blush2:

[Sunny_01]

I agree she had a duty of care to the young boy in question, but I still wonder what kind of woman she is to WANT to have sex with a boy! makes me shudder at the thought :yuk:

[~Kizwiz~]

Thats very true..... she cant be right in the head really

[mansi]

=O...that's disgusting

[mansi]

there are so many incidents like this one...some are even worse....
"Perhaps the most infamous case involved Mary Kay Letourneau, a Seattle teacher whose relationship with a sixth-grader, ultimately produced two children. Letourneau spent seven years behind bars."
-CBS News

[lily.]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
... I still wonder what kind of woman she is to WANT to have sex with a boy! makes me shudder at the thought :yuk:

Yeah, see, this is exactly where I stand on the subject. I mean, ok, she's 23, I'm 33, but even at 23, a boy of that age wouldn't float my boat at all. There is nothing sexually attractive about a 15 year old boy (to a grown woman).

Plus, as others have mentioned, she shouldn't be in that job if she has notions of young lads. I mean, you wouldn't catch me supervising a bunch of 20 yr olds .. know what I mean.. :tongue:

Seriously though... something is wrong with her. She isn't a complete dog, so why doesn't she pull someone her own age! - or at least over the age of consent!

[Lauren]

If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

[Emilee]

^^^^^ Ditto!

[lily.]

Originally posted by Lauren
If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

I know a 22 year old woman who is currently pregnant. The father of the child is 15.

I was discussing this the other day and I said that if it were the other way around, people would be lining up to kick his head in!

[James]

Yeah, there's been a number of cases like this in America.

It has been suggested that female teachers in this position have been treated leniently by the courts compared to equivalent cases involving male teachers.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Lauren
If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

Tell us exactly who you think finds it amusing Laure? We are all simply stating our points of view. Noone has made a joke of it, noone has belittled it, we have simply looked at it from OUR perspective. I would still ask the question what does someone that age see in someone so young if it were a girl who had been having sex with their teacher.

[Nowhere]

She has issues. She was probably neglected, or bullied through highschool,then when she became a teacher, realized the power she had,and started to recieve attention from boys that she would have been fantasizing about several years earlier. Maybe we should have a particular kinda test for teachers-to-be, to protect the kids of today. Although on the other hand, I also think that kids are growing up much faster these days,not necessarily maturing at the same rate though.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by Lauren
If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

Tell us exactly who you think finds it amusing Laure? We are all simply stating our points of view. Noone has made a joke of it, noone has belittled it, we have simply looked at it from OUR perspective.

Originally posted by The_Hitman
It's like driving an ice-cream van up to a crowd of fat kids.

Sorry Hitman, for singelling you out - but Sunny asked for specific details.

[GiRTh]

I think it's a little funny too. I hope she didn't seduce them all at once. That would take special talent and she'd clearly be in the wrong profession.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Lauren
If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

I know a 22 year old woman who is currently pregnant. The father of the child is 15.

I was discussing this the other day and I said that if it were the other way around, people would be lining up to kick his head in!

^^^^^^^^^^

that Teacher is a Paedo

[lily.]

Agreed psy.

[Siouxsie]

yepme too

[GlitterEyes]

I think as its a woman they seem to "feel" some kind of sympathy for her. It is quite twisted at how different cases appear. I remember a while back there was something similar with a teacher being female was saying " she was to pretty for jail" as if thats some kind of excuse.

I think if a guy is 18 and a girl is 15 that is seen as "not so bad" but the fact she is a teacher and abusing her position and trust is awful. Plus you cannot say she didn't know the age...like an 18 year old could ....say in a nightclub situation.

[Lauren]

I agree GE, it's the fact she is abusing her position of authority rather than just picking up a 15 yr old.

[Z]

Originally posted by Lauren
If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

Yeah, but the thing is, it's physically impossible for a woman to rape a man unless the man is, uh, "willing"

Well, rape the man "naturally" . . .

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[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Sunny_01
Tell us exactly who you think finds it amusing Laure? We are all simply stating our points of view. Noone has made a joke of it, noone has belittled it, we have simply looked at it from OUR perspective.

Originally posted by The_Hitman
It's like driving an ice-cream van up to a crowd of fat kids.

Sorry Hitman, for singelling you out - but Sunny asked for specific details.

It's a very relevant analogy. If you find it amusing, don't hold me responsible.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Ziola
Originally posted by Lauren
If it was a man sleeping with a 15 year old girl, I'm sure many of you who think it's funny would take it more serious?

Yeah, but the thing is, it's physically impossible for a woman to rape a man unless the man is, uh, "willing"

Well, rape the man "naturally" . . .

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If it was a man sleeping with a willing 15 year old girl, I meant.
Even if the girl was willing, she's only 15 and he is abusing his position of authority by sleeping with the girl.

[Sunny_01]

Now you see I dont agree that it is impossible for a woman to rape a man unless he is willing! Nature is nature and if stimulated a man will get an erection whether he wants to or not, so to say that they must be willing is just wrong and a bit of an insult to those men who have been raped by women.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Now you see I dont agree that it is impossible for a woman to rape a man unless he is willing! Nature is nature and if stimulated a man will get an erection whether he wants to or not, so to say that they must be willing is just wrong and a bit of an insult to those men who have been raped by women.

It could be possible for a woman to sexually assault a man by unnatural means. But in principle I agree with you. For the student to have sex with this woman he must have been stimulated and remained stimulated throughout the act.

[GiRTh]

Is it possible for a woman to rape a man? Good question I can only speak for myself but I can safely say that it's would be almost impossible for a woman to rape me. She would have to be ABSOLUTELY determined to have her way with me because I'd fight for my life.

Now here's the question. If I was attacked by a woman; and I defended myself and injured her. Who would believe my side of the story?

'She tried to rape me officer and in the struggle I broke her arm and knocked her out cold.'

That's why I'm finding this case quite funny; a fifteen year old boy could probably over power this woman.

[Lauren]

I didn't think the question was whether she physically raped him, but whether she used her position of authority to have sex with a minor?

[GiRTh]

I understand Lauren but the scenario I described could have happened in this instance. What if the guy did fight back and injured her? What would we all be thinking? I recall a case in this country where the kid claimed the teacher seduced him and the teacher said he raped her. I'll try and dig it up but it was about a year ago.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
I understand Lauren but the scenario I described could have happened in this instance. What if the guy did fight back and injured her? What would we all be thinking? I recall a case in this country where the kid claimed the teacher seduced him and the teacher said he raped her. I'll try and dig it up but it was about a year ago.

I remember that.

To be fair, the law is sided with females where rape is concerned. If the guy had fought back and injured the teacher I could very easily see how it can be twisted to make the teacher seem like a victim.

[GiRTh]

That's why I'm not taking the subject of a young man being forced into having sex with an attractive women in her early twenties too seriously. He should have fought her off. Call me old fashioned but I'm not convinvced. If he'd been younger I might see it differently.

[Lauren]

I don't think he was forced, he was probably all for it. I just believe at 15 he couldn't have given his full consent because he was under the age of consent (although he obviously went for it).

If an older man propositioned a 15 year old girl for sex, she could very easily say yes whilst still not giving her full consent, in my opinion. And I think this is why I find a problem with this case.

[GiRTh]

I agree. If it were a man in his twenties than it would be different.

[Red Moon]

Of course the age of consent is different throughout the world.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png

If this case was in France then it wouldn't be an issue at all.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Of course the age of consent is different throughout the world.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png

If this case was in France then it wouldn't be an issue at all.

Wow, there's a country where the age of consent is 9, yet within it, you need to be married. :puzzled:

Of course it wouldn't be a case in France, but say a 50 year old man slept with a 9 year old girl - this wouldn't be a case in whereeverthehellitis.

[GiRTh]

Good map.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GRiT
Good map.

Useful if your an 18-21 year old male full of testerone looking for girls who doesn't want to end up in some far away prison.

[James]

The government here changed the law a couple of years to make it against the law for teachers to sleep with pupils below the age of 18.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by James
The government here changed the law a couple of years to make it against the law for teachers to sleep with pupils below the age of 18.

Is that the case all over the UK, or just in Scotland?

I'm pretty sure England has that law too, because I remember hearing about a teacher having an affair with a 17 year old girl a few years ago and he had to leave being a teacher because otherwise it was illegal?

[Sunny_01]

I think the main issue is the abuse of power. Teachers are in a position of authority and she abused the trust placed in her by the boys family. Even in England if a young man in his early 20's was caught having sex with a girl of 15 it is in theory statutory rape BUT very very rarely would it be brought before the courts. The key really is getting the young person to agree to give evidence to say they had been forced to do it!!!

[James]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by James
The government here changed the law a couple of years to make it against the law for teachers to sleep with pupils below the age of 18.

Is that the case all over the UK, or just in Scotland?

I'm pretty sure England has that law too, because I remember hearing about a teacher having an affair with a 17 year old girl a few years ago and he had to leave being a teacher because otherwise it was illegal?

It was a UK parliament law so it certainly covers England. Not sure if the Scottish parliament has to legislate for it to cover Scotland also but it probably does apply to Scotland also.

Devolution is all a bit confusing.