Lib dem Councillor in favour of prostitution as a career option in schools

[Kizzy]

What are your views on prostitution being suggested as a career option in schools?... I'm old fashioned maybe, the idea makes me feel physically sick.


'Lib Dem leader Tim Farron insists he will not "slap down" a councillor who questioned why school careers officers cannot suggest prostitution as a line of work for pupils.

Mr Farron said he disagreed with the view, but elected representatives must be allowed to say "shocking things" to stoke debate.'

'Delegates heard that decriminalising prostitution would raise £1bn a year for the Treasury in taxes.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lib-dem-leader-backs-councillor-who-said-schools-should-be-able-to-suggest-prostitution-as-career-a7314381.html

[arista]

"I'm old fashioned maybe, the idea makes me feel physically sick."

No Kizzy
you are Correct
its very wrong.


trust a Lib Dem

[bots]

why stop there, perhaps offer career advice in drug pushing, burglary and blackmail :facepalm:

[kirklancaster]

why stop there, perhaps offer career advice in drug pushing, burglary and blackmail :facepalm:

:laugh: That imbecilic guy needs the boot and sectioning.

[Ammi]

..it's something that will spark discussion, isn't that what is being said...that things shouldn't be 'off limits' to discuss..?...it's a society thing and society views of prostitution as defining a person and them being open to harsh moral judgement for what they do and for whatever reasons it being their choice...and that it shouldn't feel something that's 'less than' if it was a choice...

[Northern Monkey]

:joker:
This guy must be trolling

[Jamie89]

why stop there, perhaps offer career advice in drug pushing, burglary and blackmail :facepalm:

I don't think it's comparable to those things personally. It definitely shouldn't be discussed as a career option in schools, but I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with prostitution.

Most of the problems that are associated with it are products of society imo and because it's demonised, rather than them being inherent to prostitution itself.

[the truth]

this is where the limp liberal loony left lead us, its all part of that insane spineless pattern and culture... prositution is empowering women , drugs for all, loads of benefits for the workless unambitious, no fathers to instill discipline, massive debt, massive government control, nanny state, fewer jobs, less aspiration, the whole thing is a race to the bottom, politicians taking ovver and promising to save us all, basically we turn into cuba

[smudgie]

As much as I would agree to making it all legal and taxable, I hardly think promoting it as a career prospect in school would be a good idea.

[Niamh.]

As much as I would agree to making it all legal and taxable, I hardly think promoting it as a career prospect in school would be a good idea.

Yeah pretty much this. I doubt many parents would be over joyed for their daughter or son to come home from school saying that the guidance counselor told them they should be a prostitute.......I'd imagine they would have to hire security guards for those guidance counselors :worry:

[user104658]

I could have made a fortune :fist:.


In all seriousness though, I probably would rather... erm...

provide my services...
to some
lonely ladies
A couple of times
in a week

...Than have my actual job.

Sign of the times.


(More serious response: It should be legalised to be made safe and regulated, but probably not something to actively suggest to teenagers :umm2: )

[user104658]

Yeah pretty much this. I doubt many parents would be over joyed for their daughter or son to come home from school saying that the guidance counselor told them they should be a prostitute.......I'd imagine they would have to hire security guards for those guidance counselors :worry:

I just can't even imagine the scenario!

"Hello Sue! I've been having a think about your career prospects and... well... let's face it, you're not the shiniest button in the box BUT you do have a slamming body and a jaded smile. Well done for that. Sooo... Stripper or prostitute is what I'm thinking?"

[Niamh.]

I just can't even imagine the scenario!

"Hello Sue! I've been having a think about your career prospects and... well... let's face it, you're not the shiniest button in the box BUT you do have a slamming body and a jaded smile. Well done for that. Sooo... Stripper or prostitute is what I'm thinking?"

Oh Dear :worry:

[Vicky.]

This is horrendous.

[user104658]

I just don't think people realise the effect that small things can have on self esteem at such an early age. I've seen kids upset by being told to have low expectations by the adults in their life even with it's "normal" low expectations. Even if someone does go on to achieve, the memory that "My school told me I should be a hooker" will stick with a person.

Also, even looking at the high end sex trade in a more positive light - because there are higher-priced prostitutes / escorts who do GENUINELY love their work and lifestyle - that is surely an aspect of more advanced / open sexuality that someone wouldn't even be THINKING about until their mid 20's or beyond? I'd be sort of worried if any teenager was already at that stage of sexual development... they should be at the stage of a bit of experimentation / an awkward fumble at most. How can they possibly know or even guess at what their adult sexuality will look like?

[bots]

Until such time as prostitution becomes a respected profession, that is fully controlled and does not involve exploitation and humiliation then it shouldn't be recommended as a career. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

[Tom4784]

What a ridiculous thing to say, I'm all for prostitution being legalised (and thus controlled and made safe for all involved) but I don't think any sex industry role should be recommended in schools.

[Ammi]

I just don't think people realise the effect that small things can have on self esteem at such an early age. I've seen kids upset by being told to have low expectations by the adults in their life even with it's "normal" low expectations. Even if someone does go on to achieve, the memory that "My school told me I should be a hooker" will stick with a person.

Also, even looking at the high end sex trade in a more positive light - because there are higher-priced prostitutes / escorts who do GENUINELY love their work and lifestyle - that is surely an aspect of more advanced / open sexuality that someone wouldn't even be THINKING about until their mid 20's or beyond? I'd be sort of worried if any teenager was already at that stage of sexual development... they should be at the stage of a bit of experimentation / an awkward fumble at most. How can they possibly know or even guess at what their adult sexuality will look like?


...to be fair, I think that most people do realise because the one thing that we've all been is a child ourselves and know all too well, childhood experiences/associations/environment etc with confidence and self esteem...

[Crimson Dynamo]

what on earth is this guy banging on about?

[Vicky.]

He should lead by example tbh and live a year as a gigolo.

[the truth]

prostitution is a dreadful career move. This loony left decided to make it legal for women to provide it but illegal for men to buy it, typical insanity from the lefty people who never visit planet earth

[Jack_]

:joker:

Prostitution should be legalised and there's certainly nothing wrong with wanting that as a profession, but I'm not sure we should be encouraging teenagers to pursue it as a career. It's quite a slippery slope if you think about it...

As a side note, is there anything more embarrassing a phrase than 'loony left'? :umm2:

[the truth]

:joker:

Prostitution should be legalised and there's certainly nothing wrong with wanting that as a profession, but I'm not sure we should be encouraging teenagers to pursue it as a career. It's quite a slippery slope if you think about it...

As a side note, is there anything more embarrassing a phrase than 'loony left'? :umm2:

yes your post lol Theres nothing wrong with prostitution but you dont think we should encourage it? contradiction in terms

[Jack_]

yes your post lol Theres nothing wrong with prostitution but you dont think we should encourage it? contradiction in terms

Not really. There isn't anything wrong with prostitution, and if a woman (or indeed a man) of age decides to pursue that as a career then all power to them - and I don't believe it should be illegal for a multitude of reasons either.

But an adult suggesting it as a career prospect to children is a little disconcerting, don't you think?

[the truth]

Not really. There isn't anything wrong with prostitution, and if a woman (or indeed a man) of age decides to pursue that as a career then all power to them - and I don't believe it should be illegal for a multitude of reasons either.

But an adult suggesting it as a career prospect to children is a little disconcerting, don't you think?

I do because i think its a lousy profession , you think its a good profession so you should support it being taught in schools other wise youre being a hypocrite

[Jack_]

I do because i think its a lousy profession , you think its a good profession so you should support it being taught in schools other wise youre being a hypocrite

No I'm not :umm2: I don't think it's a 'good' profession, I think it's a profession. What is and isn't a good profession isn't for me, you or anyone else to decide - there's no monopoly on what constitutes a 'good' profession, it's completely subjective.

Being a pornstar is a profession. Do I want adults to encourage minors to take it up? No, because again that's pretty disconcerting.

[Vicky.]

I used to be very 'left' about prostitution. Always said it should be legal and such. However, given 2 countries have given us examples of what happens..I am not so sure on my views now.

Sweden has criminalised the buying of sex (not the sale - no-one, repeat NO-ONE is suggesting criminalising prostitutes here), and rates of trafficking and prostitution have dropped. Germany has legalised pretty much everything. The result: mega brothels where "independent contractors" (so still none of the health insurance, sick pay, employment protection legalisation was supposed to bring) have to service 4 clients before they've even paid the rent on the room for the night. Caravans next to rest areas on motorways where prostitutes service truckers for 10 to 20 euros a time. Streetwalkers (because they haven't gone away - legalise prostitution and more men expect sex for pay for less money, hardly an economic surprise if you know anything about the way capitalism works) now do blow jobs for the price of a Big Mac. And trafficking hasn't gone down, it's gone up.

I am kinda preferring to go down the Swedish route than the legalize the lot that Germany has done. Given the results.

Slightly offtopic though.

Will never agree with encouraging teens to join the sex trade, in any form. I have no issues with adults chosing to do porn. I do not think it is responsible to encourage teens to do it. If they chose to, fair enough. But teachers should not be suggesting it as a career path. I can just see it now...'Mary you aren't too bright, but you have a fantastic body and have had a fair few boyfriends the past few years. How about becoming a porn star'

[Mystic Mock]

I wouldn't push it forward in Primary Schools, but when they've hit puperty (which is normally in Secondary School years) then I don't see why it can't start being discussed then, and I'd even warn of the dangers of being a Prostitute so that the kids know if they want to become one or not, which tbh I doubt many would unless under severe financial strain.

[Mystic Mock]

why stop there, perhaps offer career advice in drug pushing, burglary and blackmail :facepalm:

You honestly think Prostitution is just as bad as theft and blackmail?

Drugs again is upto the individual in my eyes on if they want to damage their own health, I don't see what it's got to do with anyone else tbh unless they're personally being effected by it?

[bots]

You honestly think Prostitution is just as bad as theft and blackmail?

Drugs again is upto the individual in my eyes on if they want to damage their own health, I don't see what it's got to do with anyone else tbh unless they're personally being effected by it?

are you aware of the abuse that goes on in the sex industry? Are you seriously saying the pushing drugs is a career that is respectable? I despair, I really do.

[Kizzy]

As soon as I knew that prostitution and drug money now contributes to GDP there would be a drive to amend popular opinion....oh, come on now it's not that bad! :/

[Mystic Mock]

are you aware of the abuse that goes on in the sex industry? Are you seriously saying the pushing drugs is a career that is respectable? I despair, I really do.

I never said respectable, I said that if it's not effecting anyone else then it shouldn't be illegal, that is just a simple fact that everyone should agree with otherwise we hit a slippery slope where professions not "approved of" by most people would be made illegal to even discuss just because "it's not nice."

[bots]

I never said respectable, I said that if it's not effecting anyone else then it shouldn't be illegal, that is just a simple fact that everyone should agree with otherwise we hit a slippery slope where professions not "approved of" by most people would be made illegal to even discuss just because "it's not nice."

a drug pusher is affecting people though, again, I really have to ask if you are aware of what goes on in those circles, because if you are, and you still say they are doing no wrong, then I would most certainly take issue.