M&S Empire Pie Sparks Fierce Social Media Debate Over ‘Celebrating Colonial Deaths’

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsOpoqEWAAACvkI.jpg


[Louise Raw, a historian,
posted a picture of
an ‘Empire Pie’ she bought from
the supermarket, claiming the
name left a “nasty taste in millions
of people’s mouths ― those it didn’t kill”.]



Louise does it taste Good???


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/marks-and-spencers-empire-pie-sparks-fierce-social-media-debate-over-celebrating-colonial-deaths_uk_57d808d7e4b00f741734a468
https://twitter.com/LouiseRawAuthor

Also being Debated on Ch5HD Wright Stuff today

[Northern Monkey]

Oh my god.What is wrong with people these days?People are getting offended by pie now?

[arista]

Oh my god.What is wrong with people these days?People are getting offended by pie now?


Its Louise
the food expert getting the anger up.


It could be Star Wars "Empire"

[Jamie89]

Its Louise
the food expert getting the anger up.


It could be Star Wars "Empire"

Feel the Force

[Northern Monkey]

Its Louise
the food expert getting the anger up.


It could be Star Wars "Empire"

Getting offended for no reason seems to be the 'in' thing now.The worst part is some people think that when they say 'i'm offended' that everyone else has to move heaven and earth to make them feel better.The best response is usually to tell them to feck off and grow up.

[Niamh.]

I'm offended by the size of that picture in the OP Arista :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

mmm that looks tasty

[smudgie]

Mmmmm, looks tasty.
As an old Colonial would it be really bad for me to try one?



Edit. Just realised it had crushed potatoes on top...they can keep it.

[arista]

mmm that looks tasty


Yes I am going to buy one
on Ch5HD Live although debating it
the panel loved the taste
I will cook the Empire
soon.

[arista]

Mmmmm, looks tasty.
As an old Colonial would it be really bad for me to try one?


No
buy one before they Ban it.

[Niamh.]

Mmmmm, looks tasty.
As an old Colonial would it be really bad for me to try one?



Edit. Just realised it had crushed potatoes on top...they can keep it.

crushed potatoes are good, it the mango chutney that would turn me off

[user104658]

crushed potatoes are good, it the mango chutney that would turn me off

So Irish :flutter:

[James]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsTbeNSWIAAqmVd.jpg:medium


[Louise Raw, a historian,
posted a picture of
an ‘Empire Pie’ she bought from
the supermarket, claiming the
name left a “nasty taste in millions
of people’s mouths ― those it didn’t kill”.]



Louise does it taste Good???


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/marks-and-spencers-empire-pie-sparks-fierce-social-media-debate-over-celebrating-colonial-deaths_uk_57d808d7e4b00f741734a468
https://twitter.com/LouiseRawAuthor

Also being Debated on Ch5HD Wright Stuff today

So it's just the word 'Empire' she doesn't like? Better not tell her about Empire biscuits.

http://www.keemacbakery.co.uk/images/cake-images/empire-4pack.jpg

[Niamh.]

So Irish :flutter:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/victorious/images/9/94/Potato_gif.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130124235308

[Vicky.]

Another day another nutter looking for something to take offense at. Nothing to see here :idc:

[user104658]

So it's just the word 'Empire' she doesn't like? Better not tell her about Empire biscuits.

http://www.keemacbakery.co.uk/images/cake-images/empire-4pack.jpg

Empire biscuits are actually a biproduct of the slave trade though. Made from the floor sweepings of slave ships, apparently.

[James]

I wonder if they have ever been made on Bake Off. I never really liked the cherry on top of them.

[Northern Monkey]

I think i must be part Irish.I fecking love potatoes.They're my favourite carbohydrate based food.I could eat unlimited potatoes if it was good for my diet.

[Ammi]

.. I Spie with my little eye..:fan:...

[arista]

Another day another nutter looking for something to take offense at. Nothing to see here :idc:


no Louise is a food critic

[arista]

So it's just the word 'Empire' she doesn't like? Better not tell her about Empire biscuits.

http://www.keemacbakery.co.uk/images/cake-images/empire-4pack.jpg


can tibb twitter
send that to Louise?

is that possible James

[arista]

and it is "sweet mango chutney"

Niamh Lady

[Crimson Dynamo]

neem what are you dipping your nan bread and poppadoms in when you have a curry?


get the riata and mango chutney oot

[Tom4784]

Just a dumb bitch trying to be offended for the sake of people who don't give a ****.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder what India would be like without our help?

:think:

[arista]

I wonder what India would be like without our help?

:think:



But this Food Critic
is on about the Killings
the British Empire did

[Vicky.]

no Louise is a food critic

Doesn't make her any less of a nutter :p

[Niamh.]

neem what are you dipping your nan bread and poppadoms in when you have a curry?


get the riata and mango chutney oot

no I like those onions in the red stuff

[Kizzy]

Mmmmm, looks tasty.
As an old Colonial would it be really bad for me to try one?



Edit. Just realised it had crushed potatoes on top...they can keep it.

What makes you define yourself as a colonial?

Colonials were the IS of the day, not sure how many appreciate this.

[jaxie]

Well playing devils advocate and all that, there are countries who would have been significantly better off if they'd stayed with the British Empire and the French and Dutch come to that! Some countries have been civil war torn since or ruled by home grown dictators far crueler than we would have been in this day and age. I like to think we've grown up some and have our big girl pants on now.

Our past does help to shape us and we can learn from it. There are things we can be proud of and things we should be ashamed of.

That pie looks tasty. I think it is PC correctness gone mad to imply anything about the name. The word Empire has been used in enough fantasies that it does't have to mean anything specific.

[jaxie]

What makes you define yourself as a colonial?

Colonials were the IS of the day, not sure how many appreciate this.

:umm2:

[Niamh.]

:umm2:

well the definition of Colonialism is : the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.

so it's not exactly a "nice" thing to be a part of, colonialism is responsible for a whole world of deaths and devastation to my country for example someone saying they're proud of that is a bit nasty, don't you think?

[user104658]

I do like the argument that certain countries would be better off if they'd just stuck with the Empire and gone with it...

A large majority of the poorest countries in the world are post-colonial. Would they be better if if they were still colonies? Maybe, marginally, but the obvious truth is that the BEST scenario for those countries, would be if we had never sailed up to their doorsteps in the first place.

The colonies stripped various countries of their resources, their lifestyle, their cultural identity and their ability to sustain themselves. Then the empire ended and they were simply left in that state. Colonialism created a global imbalance that is not only far from over, the knock-on effect is still massive.

[Niamh.]

I do like the argument that certain countries would be better off if they'd just stuck with the Empire and gone with it...

A large majority of the poorest countries in the world are post-colonial. Would they be better if if they were still colonies? Maybe, marginally, but the obvious truth is that the BEST scenario for those countries, would be if we had never sailed up to their doorsteps in the first place.

The colonies stripped various countries of their resources, their lifestyle, their cultural identity and their ability to sustain themselves. Then the empire ended and they were simply left in that state. Colonialism created a global imbalance that is not only far from over, the knock-on effect is still massive.

Exactly. That argument makes me so angry I can't even reply to it but you've said it all in a much calmer way than I would have/could have :laugh:

[jaxie]

well the definition of Colonialism is : the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.

so it's not exactly a "nice" thing to be a part of, colonialism is responsible for a whole world of deaths and devastation to my country for example someone saying they're proud of that is a bit nasty, don't you think?

:nono: I never said I was proud of it.

However I do see a difference in historic colonialism and Islamic state in today's climate.

[jaxie]

Exactly. That argument makes me so angry I can't even reply to it but you've said it all in a much calmer way than I would have/could have :laugh:

I did mention I was playing devil's advocate.

"Someone who pretends in an argument or discussion to be against an idea that a lot of people support."

[jaxie]

I do like the argument that certain countries would be better off if they'd just stuck with the Empire and gone with it...

A large majority of the poorest countries in the world are post-colonial. Would they be better if if they were still colonies? Maybe, marginally, but the obvious truth is that the BEST scenario for those countries, would be if we had never sailed up to their doorsteps in the first place.

The colonies stripped various countries of their resources, their lifestyle, their cultural identity and their ability to sustain themselves. Then the empire ended and they were simply left in that state. Colonialism created a global imbalance that is not only far from over, the knock-on effect is still massive.

Ah if only we could time travel and get to grips with the gritty past TS.

I blame the Romans.

[Kyle]

All aboard the offended train

Choo choo

[smudgie]

What makes you define yourself as a colonial?

Colonials were the IS of the day, not sure how many appreciate this.

Having lived under Colonial rule, a bunch of us meeting up in a forum many many years later with the help of Facebook etc had our own little group under the banner The old Colonials.

[Northern Monkey]

I do like the argument that certain countries would be better off if they'd just stuck with the Empire and gone with it...

A large majority of the poorest countries in the world are post-colonial. Would they be better if if they were still colonies? Maybe, marginally, but the obvious truth is that the BEST scenario for those countries, would be if we had never sailed up to their doorsteps in the first place.

The colonies stripped various countries of their resources, their lifestyle, their cultural identity and their ability to sustain themselves. Then the empire ended and they were simply left in that state. Colonialism created a global imbalance that is not only far from over, the knock-on effect is still massive.

But don't forget the positives.Think of all that heroin and cardamom we'd have missed out on without the empire.Plus the Indians wouldn't have discovered the pleasures of gin and tonic or maybe we wouldn't have or both.