Can Corbyn win us over?

[jaxie]

Now that Jezza has been voted in again by his fans and sycophants. Do you think he will be able to win over the voters, particularly those who aren't already labour suppprters?

I struggle to see the appeal personally but his supporters seem quite rabid in favour.

[Cherie]

Can't see it personally, I lost alot of respect for him during the referendum when his heart clearly wasn't in the remain camp, the fiasco on Virgin trains finished me off

[GiRTh]

Can't see it personally, I lost alot of respect for him during the referendum when his heart clearly wasn't in the remain camp, the fiasco on Virgin trains finished me offSame. He was too wishy washy with such an important issue.

[bots]

he wont win me over, and he will have a struggle even winning his own MP's over.

I mean, it's one thing to say the slate is wiped clean, but the divisions, and the vote of no confidence still happened. If the mp's that voted no confidence change their stance, what does it say about them? What does it do with respect for the labour party in general?

I'm going to need to buy in shed loads of popcorn :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

in a word - NEVER.

[Northern Monkey]

Labour can't win GE with him in power.He does'nt appeal to the average voter.Just the hard leftists.He has a kind of cult following but that's not going to get him the votes to beat the Tories.He doesn't seem to mind the anti semetism from his fans,He would pull us out of NATO given the chance,He's terrible on defence and has admitted he wouldn't launch our nuclear deterrent if the worst ever happened.He's a nice chap but would be a liability to our country as PM.Labour need a leader with more realistic policies to ever be a contender.All imo of course.

The best thing he could've done to save Labour was pull out of the race and retire to the back benches.He is helping to destroy the Labour party.

[Shaun]

not whilst the media are owned and controlled by the sorts he opposes, no

[Withano]

He doesnt really need to win people over, he just needs to appear better than whoever leads Tories.. Possible..

[Johnnyuk123]

It didn't matter which donkey got voted in cos labor have no chance of winning anything whoever got in. :joker::joker::joker:

[smudgie]

Unfortunately I think he is the death knell for labour.:shrug:

[arista]

"events "
change all the time.

Yes he could become Leader
never rule it out

[jaxie]

Labour can't win GE with him in power.He does'nt appeal to the average voter.Just the hard leftists.He has a kind of cult following but that's not going to get him the votes to beat the Tories.He doesn't seem to mind the anti semetism from his fans,He would pull us out of NATO given the chance,He's terrible on defence and has admitted he wouldn't launch our nuclear deterrent if the worst ever happened.He's a nice chap but would be a liability to our country as PM.Labour need a leader with more realistic policies to ever be a contender.All imo of course.

The best thing he could've done to save Labour was pull out of the race and retire to the back benches.He is helping to destroy the Labour party.

Do you think it's arrogance? That he believes it must be him?

[jaxie]

He doesnt really need to win people over, he just needs to appear better than whoever leads Tories.. Possible..

He really does though. Historically Scotland was very important to labour and they've lost all support there. He has to claw some of that back to give the party enough seats for a start. He inspires no confidence.

[jaxie]

not whilst the media are owned and controlled by the sorts he opposes, no

The media don't control his performance on Prime ministers questions but he doesn't inspire much. He doesn't perform well in his roll of opposing the Tories.

[Withano]

He really does though. Historically Scotland was very important to labour and they've lost all support there. He has to claw some of that back to give the party enough seats for a start. He inspires no confidence.

I think Labour and Scotlands relationship is long gone, they will rightfully be voting for SNP for the forseeable future. Corbyn has got to convince a couple million English people that hes better than May or whoever takes over her.. Possible..

[kirklancaster]

He is not thick - He KNOWS the score - WITH him as leader, Labour will NEVER be in Government, so the only POSSIBLE explanation is, that he is more devoted to SELF than PARTY.

The EGO has landed - a cushy job for life as Leader of The Opposition.

[kirklancaster]

I think Labour and Scotlands relationship is long gone, they will rightfully be voting for SNP for the forseeable future. Corbyn has got to convince a couple million English people that hes better than May or whoever takes over her.. Possible..

He has put FOOT IN MOUTH far too often over DECADES - and ALL of it on PUBLIC RECORD, and most of it definitely NOT what the majority of the British Electorate support.

There is more chance of a wooden rocking horse winning the Cheltenham Gold Cup, than there is of Corbyn EVER becoming Prime Minister - and I would wager EVERYTHING I possess on that.

[MTVN]

Labour can't win GE with him in power.He does'nt appeal to the average voter.Just the hard leftists.He has a kind of cult following but that's not going to get him the votes to beat the Tories.He doesn't seem to mind the anti semetism from his fans,He would pull us out of NATO given the chance,He's terrible on defence and has admitted he wouldn't launch our nuclear deterrent if the worst ever happened.He's a nice chap but would be a liability to our country as PM.Labour need a leader with more realistic policies to ever be a contender.All imo of course.

The best thing he could've done to save Labour was pull out of the race and retire to the back benches.He is helping to destroy the Labour party.

Agree with this except I'm not even sure he's a nice chap anymore. He does seriously care about his causes, true, but he also seems indifferent to the abuse that gets meted out by his supporters and seems incredibly intolerant of anyone who holds views different to his own.

Every bit of evidence points to Corbyn's inability to win an election: the party's poll ratings have been poor under him, his own personal ratings are terrible, Labour have fallen to third place in Scotland, their voters are leaving in large numbers an the party is completely divided in every way possible. I genuinely see no way that he can possibly turn it around.

[Northern Monkey]

Do you think it's arrogance? That he believes it must be him?

Nah i just think he's idealistic and determined.Unfortunately his Utopian dream will never become a reality.The country has no appetite for his brand of politics and the real world will never be the one he wants it to be.In the real world he would destroy the country.

[Withano]

He has put FOOT IN MOUTH far too often

Arent you a fan of Farage/UKIP? Pretty evident that a tactless mind doesnt really matter to most people

[bots]

I think it is true, never say never. The next 2 years or so are going to be quite a battlefield on lots of fronts, but it would take quite an aligning of the stars to make Corbyn successful. If, there is some small miracle and labour as a party start to turn things around, I don't see it being Corbyn that will be the focal point for it. He doesn't have the personal charisma or leadership to achieve it. He doesn't have the respect of his fellow mp's let alone anyone else. That's just not a recipe for success.

I could go on and talk about the massive hypocrite he is too, but I think that's secondary to the main problem that he has. He simply is not leader material.

[kirklancaster]

Arent you a fan of Farage/UKIP? Pretty evident that a tactless mind doesnt really matter to most people

Farage speaks a hell of a lot of sense from a patriotic viewpoint.
Farage is NOT the leader of HM Opposition Party
Farage is NOT desperately trying to become PM.

Corbyn's disgusting anti-patriotic, terrorist-friendly leanings are well documented.

[Withano]

Farage speaks a hell of a lot of sense from a patriotic viewpoint.
Farage is NOT the leader of HM Opposition Party
Farage is NOT desperately trying to become PM.

Corbyn's disgusting anti-patriotic, terrorist-friendly leanings are well documented.

Lol ok

[Withano]

Sidenote, if you think Farage/UKIP is more tactile than Corbyn/Labour then I'm kinda done with the dialogue..

..my only point is that he only needs to appear more capable than his competitors, he doesnt need to win over the masses.. and that is looking possible because his competition are at large, incredibly stupid.

[Vicky.]

I can't see it personally, though he was my choice..the other guy was no better.

The issue I see with Corbyn, is he never actually explains anything. I took part in a webchat with him a few days back, and it was disappointing to say the least. He completely avoided mentioning any of the more difficult/political questions, instead chosing to answer things such as 'whats your favorite biscuit' and 'whats are you reading right now' (funnily enough...answer was a book called 'things fall apart'. The irony was not lost on me). The actual political and important questions he fluffed around with, wrote out large paragraphs that didn't really answer anything.

I agree with him on many issues. but he needs to start saying how exactly he will bring these idea around. Re-nationalising is not the answer to everything. David Miliband did an article on it all a few days back and it makes a lot of sense on so many issues

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/09/new-times-david-miliband-why-left-needs-move-forward-not-back

[Vicky.]

I am not saying a webchat is indicative of anything on its own though, but this seems to be a huge issue with Corbyn in general and the chat (that I was oddly excited about) just confirmed to me that he is pretty out of his depth...politically that is. A nice guy though. He has a lot of great ideas, that sound good to many people..but doesn't seem to be able to back up his ideas with HOW he would make them happen.

[Vicky.]

As a side note I really really wish we had had David instead of Ed. We wouldn't be in the shower of **** trying to paddle out of it that way as I have no doubt he would have been elected.

[Tom4784]

The tories have been in power for far too long and they've done a piss poor job of it. If people are silly enough to vote them in again at the next election then I'll lose what little faith I have in politics and the public.

Corbyn is something different and that's what we need at the moment. We need something completely opposite to the mediocre downpour of **** that has been the Tory's reign.

[Vicky.]

The tories have been in power for far too long and they've done a piss poor job of it. If people are silly enough to vote them in again at the next election then I'll lose what little faith I have in politics and the public.

Before the most recent election, they only hit the unemployed and disabled...which noone gave a crap about as...it didn't affect them.

Now..they are going after working people on low wages, which make up a hell of a lot of the country.

I hope that this is reflected in the voting. I don't think it will be :S

[jaxie]

As a side note I really really wish we had had David instead of Ed. We wouldn't be in the shower of **** trying to paddle out of it that way as I have no doubt he would have been elected.

Pretty much everyone I know has said the same thing. It all went wrong when they chose the wrong brother and they are still choosing the wrong people to lead.

[Shaun]

David was basically Tony Blair II and that can be said of both Miliband and Cameron.

[jaxie]

Before the most recent election, they only hit the unemployed and disabled...which noone gave a crap about as...it didn't affect them.

Now..they are going after working people on low wages, which make up a hell of a lot of the country.

I hope that this is reflected in the voting. I don't think it will be :S

The problem is that the conservatives come across as capable and right now Labour don't. I can't see how someone who says they will never press the nuclear button can ever be PM. That just isn't something you tell those who might attack your country. It would be lovely in a fantasy world but Jeremy's ideal is not the world we actually live it.

[James]

I think the problem Labour have got, and this leadership challenge has shown, is that there are people in the party that have completely different politics to each other - they shouldn't really be in the same party.

David Milliband etc. and most of the MPs -especially the ones that were elected during the Blair era - are Social Democrats, whereas Corbyn and his allies are actual Socialists.

[jaxie]

I think the problem Labour have got, and this leadership challenge has shown, is that there are people in the party that have completely different politics to each other - they shouldn't really be in the same party.

David Milliband etc. and most of the MPs -especially the ones that were elected during the Blair era - are Social Democrats, whereas Corbyn and his allies are actual Socialists.

I think you are right but hasn't labour always been a bit of a social Democrat and socialist left mix? I think from an electoral point of view the problem is that that they are veering too far to the left for many voters.

[Vicky.]

The nuclear thing I actually agree with Corbyn on. Because...a nuclear war would surely mean the end of humanity as we know it. It is no good us all having weapons strong enough to wipe out the ****ing world when we all know we can't use them? If someone launched a nuke our way...we are ****ed. Whether we have our own to launch back or not.

[Vicky.]

However from what I know (and this may not be entirely accurate) he also holds the view that shoot to kill is wrong in all circumstances, which is pretty ****ed up. For example, if he was faced with a terrorist about to set off a bomb, he wouldn't give the kill order? There is being a pacifist and being outright daft. This is the second IMO

[jaxie]

The nuclear thing I actually agree with Corbyn on. Because...a nuclear war would surely mean the end of humanity as we know it. It is no good us all having weapons strong enough to wipe out the ****ing world when we all know we can't use them? If someone launched a nuke our way...we are ****ed. Whether we have our own to launch back or not.

I don't think it's the actual using of them but declaring he would never use them that is the problem.

Countries like North Korea don't seem all that reasonable and having a deterrent would at least make them think twice. The arms race is stupid but all the time the other guy has one you have to at least maintain the mystery that you might shoot back if he tries anything surely? Otherwise we'll all be following Kim jong round with our notebooks and laughing at his jokes!

[James]

I randomly came across this Tweet about Ed Balls on Strictly, from a Corbyn supporter earlier which I think shows the divide, and how much they dislike each other.

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I know it's only Twitter but I can't really imagine someone in any other party saying that about an important figure from their own party. Ed Balls was a Brownite, not even a Blairist, and not that right-wing.

[James]

I think you are right but hasn't labour always been a bit of a social Democrat and socialist left mix? I think from an electoral point of view the problem is that that they are veering too far to the left for many voters.

Yeah, but I'd say in that last twenty years or so, the socialist left have become quite small in number amongst Labour MPs - hence the 80% MPs no-confidence vote.

It was a strange set of circumstance that made Corbyn leader: Ed Milliband's idea of letting people pay £3 to vote in a leadership election (which has led to entryism) and also Labour MPs lending Corbyn a nomination for leader to widen the debate, thinking he had no chance of winning. Now they're stuck with him.

The public don't know even which version of Labour they would be getting - the left wing leader or the moderate MPs.

[bots]

As a right leaning thinker anyway, I wouldn't be voting for labour. However, I haven't voted at a GE for years. With Corbyn at the helm of labour, you can be sure I will be voting Conservative and making my vote count. There is no way I would allow someone like Corbyn in charge of the country if I could do something about it. I'm sure I am not alone in my position. That's what labour now have to deal with.

[Johnnyuk123]

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[kirklancaster]

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