The PM just confirmed it will before end of March 2017 that article 50 is started

[arista]

She just said that Live on Marr BBC1HD
so its Jan , Feb or March
next year.


Then the 2 year or less Article 50
is Started.

[Cherie]

Jan, Feb, March ...very vague, she needs to set a deadline to work towards

[arista]

Jan, Feb, March ...very vague, she needs to set a deadline to work towards


Yes but its a rough deadline for the public.


I would say the Cabinet knows its March 2017.

[kirklancaster]

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::dance::dance::dance: It's a step in the right direction, and welcome news.

[Northern Monkey]

Jan, Feb, March ...very vague, she needs to set a deadline to work towards

She probably knows when it's happening but doesn't want to lay all her cards on the table yet.Imo.

[arista]

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::dance::dance::dance: It's a step in the right direction, and welcome news.


Bang on Right Kirk

[bots]

i think she is doing it exactly right. There will be a bill that has to go through parliament. By default all rules and regulations remain as is unless any change is debated and agree by parliament, and we have a date by which we will trigger the clause. Well done :clap2:

[Kizzy]

I can't see it happening myself.

[jaxie]

Good positive news. I'm interested to hear her speech at the conference and that of the minister in charge of Brexit to what else we can glean. The act of parliament is a huge step forward.

[kirklancaster]

I can't see it happening myself.

Uh????? :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Uh????? :shrug:

I don't see it being triggered in March.

[Marsh.]

Jan, Feb, March ...very vague, she needs to set a deadline to work towards

Before the end of March 2017 sounds like a deadline to me.

[MB.]

I'l enjoy my two and a half years left in the EU while it lasts then

[bots]

I don't see it being triggered in March.

on what basis do you make that statement. The PM has made a commitment to it being triggered before the end of March. What information do you have that makes you believe otherwise. Or do you just want to criticise without having any basis for it.

[Cherie]

Before the end of March 2017 sounds like a deadline to me....just say by end March and put any speculation to bed
And as as for not laying her cards on the table what does that mean, she can hardly stage a sneak attack on Brussels, there will be deal meetings scheduled

[Johnnyuk123]

Great news!!! Lets dance!

http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m574hgKop11rvwq31o1_400.gif

[Jack_]

Well let's hope parliament is consulted during the negotiations or we can wave goodbye to workers rights :xyxwave:

[arista]

I can't see it happening myself.


PM is Live now
its confirmed to be triggered by march 2017


Global Britain
she just named us.


JohnnyUK part of Global Britain

[Northern Monkey]

I don't see it being triggered in March.

:joker:

Do you know something the PM does'nt?:laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

I'l enjoy my two and a half years left in the EU while it lasts then

Yeah better get those croissants and Frankfurters in quick before Juncker bans us from buying them

[jaxie]

I'l enjoy my two and a half years left in the EU while it lasts then

And then you get democracy again! :cheer2:

[Jack_]

And then you get democracy again! :cheer2:

And an unfettered government intent on trashing public services and workers rights :cheer2:

[Northern Monkey]

And an unfettered government intent on trashing public services and workers rights :cheer2:

Blame Labour.They're literally zero competition at the moment.

[Jack_]

Blame Labour.They're literally zero competition at the moment.

No I think I'll blame the government who are actually doing the damage, and the people who voted for them :think:

[jaxie]

And an unfettered government intent on trashing public services and workers rights :cheer2:

Who can be voted out unlike EU beaurocrats.

I wonder sometimes if some socialists actually understand what they are clamouring for with regard the EU. People who claim to want social justice clamouring to live in a dictatorship. :shrug:

No one seems to care about the fishermen whose communities have never recovered. Is it really **** them as long as I don't have to queue when visiting France?

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/02/15/3906D61100000578-3816704-image-a-45_1475419550557.jpg

[Johnnyuk123]

Who can be voted out unlike EU beaurocrats.

I wonder sometimes if some socialists actually understand what they are clamouring for with regard the EU. People who claim to want social justice clamouring to live in a dictatorship. :shrug:

No one seems to care about the fishermen whose communities have never recovered. Is it really **** them as long as I don't have to queue when visiting France?

I agree 100%. The EU has decimated our fishing industry and that is one of the many reasons why i voted to leave the EU. It is time to put British people first! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Vicky.]

Ahh crap. I know its totally irrational to think like this but I shall be in Benidorm during March. It would be just my luck that Europe just said a big **** you and I get stuck there. Which in itself wouldn't be too bad tbh, but the kids aren't going with me :(

But its about time something was said about this. She has to go with the vote. And there is no need to be messing around and delaying it. Better sooner than later I guess...lets see what happens.

[Tom4784]

Good, the sooner people realise that they ****ed up by voting to leave the better.

[bots]

Ahh crap. I know its totally irrational to think like this but I shall be in Benidorm during March. It would be just my luck that Europe just said a big **** you and I get stuck there. Which in itself wouldn't be too bad tbh, but the kids aren't going with me :(

But its about time something was said about this. She has to go with the vote. And there is no need to be messing around and delaying it. Better sooner than later I guess...lets see what happens.

thats not possible. All we do by the end of March is hand in our resignation (article 50) and then we have to work our 2 years notice period .... no need to panic :laugh:

[Vicky.]

thats not possible. All we do by the end of March is hand in our resignation (article 50) and then we have to work our 2 years notice period .... no need to panic :laugh:

I do know this, just had a slightly panicky moment when I read this :laugh:

Also Europe isn't likely to hold Brits hostage in a huff either :D

[Marsh.]

...just say by end March and put any speculation to bed
And as as for not laying her cards on the table what does that mean, she can hardly stage a sneak attack on Brussels, there will be deal meetings scheduled

"Before the end of March"

"By the end of March"

Potayto Potarto :hee:

[Firewire]

Good thing the world is due to end soon

[jaxie]

Good thing the world is due to end soon

Did the voices tell you this? :omgno:

[Maru]

Very happy for the UK :)

[Kizzy]

Did the voices tell you this? :omgno:

Beware the ides of March...

[the truth]

Good, the sooner people realise that they ****ed up by voting to leave the better.

its the bremainiacs who Fcked up

[Tom4784]

Remain camp lost so your logic is a little flawed there buddy.

[Niamh.]

Ahh crap. I know its totally irrational to think like this but I shall be in Benidorm during March. It would be just my luck that Europe just said a big **** you and I get stuck there. Which in itself wouldn't be too bad tbh, but the kids aren't going with me :(

But its about time something was said about this. She has to go with the vote. And there is no need to be messing around and delaying it. Better sooner than later I guess...lets see what happens.

I doubt you'd get stuck there since you're British and you would be trying to get back to Britain. It would only be an issue if you were trying to get to Spain, wouldn't it?

[Vicky.]

I know this. I just flap a lot for no reason sometimes :D

[arista]

Ahh crap. I know its totally irrational to think like this but I shall be in Benidorm during March. It would be just my luck that Europe just said a big **** you and I get stuck there. Which in itself wouldn't be too bad tbh, but the kids aren't going with me :(

But its about time something was said about this. She has to go with the vote. And there is no need to be messing around and delaying it. Better sooner than later I guess...lets see what happens.

But it's only the 2 year start to the Divorce
so egg and chips still on a Special
Vicky

[Kizzy]

I know this. I just flap a lot for no reason sometimes :D

You are going on a lovely relaxing no kids break, effing enjoy it!! :fist:

[Northern Monkey]

Ahh crap. I know its totally irrational to think like this but I shall be in Benidorm during March. It would be just my luck that Europe just said a big **** you and I get stuck there. Which in itself wouldn't be too bad tbh, but the kids aren't going with me :(

But its about time something was said about this. She has to go with the vote. And there is no need to be messing around and delaying it. Better sooner than later I guess...lets see what happens.You are still allowed to go on holiday you know:laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Down, down, down as the flames grew higher

http://i.imgur.com/kcRig1f.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

May setting the agenda, talking to the world, meeting with world leaders. Doing world trade deals

Corbyn fighting with his own MPs and having domestic popularity contests


Oh dear

[Scarlett.]

May setting the agenda, talking to the world, meeting with world leaders. Doing world trade deals

Corbyn fighting with his own MPs and having domestic popularity contests


Oh dear

Well, May is PM, so that sort of thing is currently her job, would be a bit forward for an MP to be making trade deals.

[the truth]

Remain camp lost so your logic is a little flawed there buddy.

I thought you would lol thats bremainiacs for you , always need simple things explained with crayons ie Europe is bust? comprende?

[the truth]

Down, down, down as the flames grew higher

http://i.imgur.com/kcRig1f.png

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/03/pound-plunges-below-129-to-three-month-low-as-may-indicates-hard/

meanwhile the entire stock market has gone through the roof adding over £100 billion value since brexit, manufacturing, productivity, gdp all up and unemployment rate at a record low....oh and british steel has been saved by brexit and the devaluing currency..none of which would have been possible if wed joined the euro or remain in the corrupt unaccountable anti democratic bankrupt EU:blush:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, May is PM, so that sort of thing is currently her job, would be a bit forward for an MP to be making trade deals.

I doubt he could negotiate a free plastic bag in his local Spar

[Marsh.]

I doubt he could negotiate a free plastic bag in his local Spar

Not if Rob's on the till. :hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

I doubt he could negotiate a free plastic bag in his local Spar

He's negotiated the biggest membership of any party in history :smug:

[Scarlett.]

I thought you would lol thats bremainiacs for you , always need simple things explained with crayons ie Europe is bust? comprende?

You know you lost an debate when it comes down to name calling, and insults. Then again, that's how Donald Trump debates, isn't it?

[Ammi]

She just said that Live on Marr BBC1HD
so its Jan , Feb or March
next year.


Then the 2 year or less Article 50
is Started.

...amazing news, looking forward to the excellent discussions through this...

[kirklancaster]

I doubt he could negotiate a free plastic bag in his local Spar

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[kirklancaster]

...amazing news, looking forward to the excellent discussions through this...

Yeah, Princess - Let the vitriolic battle of words and insults begin ---- But include me out. :laugh:

(Dontcha just LOVE Sam Goldwyn ?)

[Scarlett.]

I guess this is just another one of those 'coincidences'?

Sterling hits a 31 year low (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-euro-dollar-brexit-latest-hard-theresa-may-conference-a7343736.html)

[arista]

I guess this is just another one of those 'coincidences'?

Sterling hits a 31 year low (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-euro-dollar-brexit-latest-hard-theresa-may-conference-a7343736.html)


Yes Chewy
many of these things are predicted
now they they have a confirmed the
date of the Start of the 2 year leave deal ,
Worse to come
but after we leave fully
Global Britain is born.

[the truth]

I guess this is just another one of those 'coincidences'?

Sterling hits a 31 year low (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-euro-dollar-brexit-latest-hard-theresa-may-conference-a7343736.html)

the whole stock market and steel industry hits the highest points in many years , inflation is low and employment rates are at the highest rate ever.

[the truth]

The facts

Since brexit the stock markets have seen the biggest rises in history, raising 100s of billions in value of british companies, creating enromous wealth and reinvestment in jobs and capital, yet this has barely been reported by the mainstream news? why?

FTSE 100 up 930 to 7070 = 12.9% rise
FTSE 3370 to 18340 = 18.4% rise
FTSE up 620 to 3900 = 16% rise

Lets look at the hysterical june 23rd headlines, it said an 8% fall in FTSE100 was worth £120 billion....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ftse-100-eu-referendum-brexit-sterling-pound-bank-housebuilders-a7099951.html

By that logic a 13% rise in FTSE 100 must be worth around £200 billion rise
and total FTSE100 value is around £1.5 trillion


Hysterical headlines on FTSE250 on day of brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ftse-100-eu-referendum-brexit-sterling-pound-bank-housebuilders-a7099951.html

FTSE 250 is estimated to be worth 13% of FTSE 250 so thats around £195 billion rise
An 18.4% rise is worth around £35.66 billion rise

FTSE350 is up 16% that is estimated to be worth over £100 billion rise

Total rise for just FTSE 100 and FTSE250 is estimated to be worth £235 billion since brexit! So much for economic collapse!

[the truth]

Since brexit the stock markets have seen the biggest rises in history, raising 100s of billions in value of british companies, creating enromous wealth and reinvestment in jobs and capital, yet this has barely been reported by the mainstream news? why?

FTSE 100 up 930 to 7070 = 12.9% rise
FTSE 3370 to 18340 = 18.4% rise
FTSE up 620 to 3900 = 16% rise

Lets look at the hysterical june 23rd headlines, it said an 8% fall in FTSE100 was worth £120 billion....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ftse-100-eu-referendum-brexit-sterling-pound-bank-housebuilders-a7099951.html

By that logic a 13% rise in FTSE 100 must be worth around £200 billion rise
and total FTSE100 value is around £1.5 trillion


Hysterical headlines on FTSE250 on day of brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ftse-100-eu-referendum-brexit-sterling-pound-bank-housebuilders-a7099951.html

FTSE 250 is estimated to be worth 13% of FTSE 250 so thats around £195 billion rise
An 18.4% rise is worth around £35.66 billion rise

FTSE350 is up 16% that is estimated to be worth over £100 billion rise

Total rise for just FTSE 100 and FTSE250 is estimated to be worth £235 billion since brexit! If you add FTSE 350 too, thats a £335 billion rise !!!

The entire GDP of the UK is only £2.2 trillion per annum
so £335 billion is 15% of our entire GDP
so much for our economic collapse lol

[Scarlett.]

employment rates are at the highest rate ever.

Does this include 'workfare' and zero hour contracts and all the other little Tory statistic boosters?

[the truth]

Does this include 'workfare' and zero hour contracts and all the other little Tory statistic boosters?

the percentage of zero hours is miniscule at around 900,000 people out of 62 million thats about 1.6%....of those 1.6% many actually like zero hours. They still get sickness and holiday pay and those who do their jobs better get offered more hours. This offers more flexibility in the economy and helps create jobs....the UK has created more jobs than the rest of europe put together in the last 6 years. Wages have grown beyond those in the rest of europe and laws against unscrupulous employers enforcing workers to stay at one place have tightened in the UK. The EU though has allowed more of this zero hours as it has deregulated massive corporations like UBER and allowed them to have all self employed workers, thus no sick pay , no holidays, almost no rights, etc The vice president at european union who made these rules and deregulaitng the disgraceful company uber , then left to join the UBER board...stinks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36212446

Im afraid all your anger is all misplaced and aimed in the worng areas....You need to unlearn most of what youve learnt and force yourself into looking at things from a totally different point of view

[Livia]

Does this include 'workfare' and zero hour contracts and all the other little Tory statistic boosters?

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/libdems/pages/8655/attachments/original/1427897543/tony-blair.jpg?1427897543

[the truth]

Surely tony bliar would never tell porky pies?

[the truth]

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

There were 1.63 million unemployed people, 39,000 fewer than for February to April 2016; 190,000 fewer than for a year earlier and the lowest since March to May 2008.

There were 901,000 unemployed men, 88,000 fewer than for a year earlier. There were 731,000 unemployed women, 102,000 fewer than for a year earlier. 31.77 million people were working: 174,000 more than for February to April 2016 and 559,000 more than for a year earlier. 23.25 million were working full-time, 434,000 more than for a year earlier. There were 8.51 million people working part-time, 126,000 more than for a year earlier.

The employment rate was 74.5 percent, the joint highest since comparable records began in 1971.

There were 8.83 million people aged from 16 to 64 who were economically inactive, 92,000 fewer than for February to April 2016 and 195,000 fewer than for a year earlier. The inactivity rate was 21.5 percent, the lowest since comparable records began in 1971.

Average weekly earnings for employees in Great Britain in nominal terms increased by 2.3 percent including bonuses and by 2.1 percent excluding bonuses compared with a year earlier.

[Livia]

Surely tony bliar would never tell porky pies?

It's his claim to fame, surely?

[Scarlett.]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/libdems/pages/8655/attachments/original/1427897543/tony-blair.jpg?1427897543

I like that a conservative ad, is complaining that Labour didn't put an end to zero hour contracts, when they havent either. :joker:

[Tom4784]

I like that a conservative ad, is complaining that Labour didn't put an end to zero hour contracts, when they havent either. :joker:

Typical Tory hypocrites.

They need those contracts to bloat their stats. They'll never get rid of them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's negotiated the biggest membership of any party in history :smug:

yes, Aston Villa have a big support too....

[Cherie]

I got the impression from her keynote speech that interest rates might go up sooner rather than later

[the truth]

amazing how the loony left are so angry about our vibrant healthy booming economy , after the loony left made us bankrupt yet again. What did the note say that they left in the treasury again? "Sorry theres nothing left" pretty much sums up their legacy of 13 years of mostly appalling government

[Jack_]

'Loony left' :umm2: makes me cringe every time

And describing the Blair years as left wing is ironically rather loony itself

[the truth]

'Loony left' :umm2: makes me cringe every time

And describing the Blair years as left wing is ironically rather loony itself

it was loony and it left us bankrupt, it took us into illegal wars with the blood of a million innocents and all you are concerned with is the term loony left lol take a look at your priorities jack

[Jack_]

it was loony and it left us bankrupt, it took us into illegal wars with the blood of a million innocents and all you are concerned with is the term loony left lol take a look at your priorities jack

I really don't know how many times I have to tell you I'm not a Blairite or supporter of New Labour ideology before you actually get it, I mean I even criticised them in a roundabout way in the post you just quoted :shrug:

You're preaching to the choir here. My issue was with the term 'loony left' which is so embarrassing I can't stand to read it anymore, and more importantly you using it to describe a centrist government. Don't tarnish the real left in such a way please

[the truth]

I really don't know how many times I have to tell you I'm not a Blairite or supporter of New Labour ideology before you actually get it, I mean I even criticised them in a roundabout way in the post you just quoted :shrug:

You're preaching to the choir here. My issue was with the term 'loony left' which is so embarrassing I can't stand to read it anymore, and more importantly you using it to describe a centrist government. Don't tarnish the real left in such a way please

Trivial as always lol

The loony left is tarnished enough , if that term upsets you more than the serious issues like 1 million dead iraqis, a bankrupt economy, 1000s dying of neglect and filth on our hospital wards , destruction of civil liberties, illegal immigration and imported terrorists, then you need to take a long travis bickle style look in the mirror.

[Jack_]

Okay now you're just trolling because you're deliberately ignoring what I'm saying

Almost all of the things you just listed are some of my top priorities politically but lol, you keep doing what you're doing fam :clap2:

[the truth]

Okay now you're just trolling because you're deliberately ignoring what I'm saying

Almost all of the things you just listed are some of my top priorities politically but lol, you keep doing what you're doing fam :clap2:

Stop trolling me and get back on point, namely the economy is booking now and has boomed even more since we voted brexit. If we handle this well it will boom even more when we trigger article 50

[Scarlett.]

'Loony left' :umm2: makes me cringe every time

And describing the Blair years as left wing is ironically rather loony itself

Pretty much, Blair and New Labour were pretty much Center-right. I'd rather be Loony left than Raging Racist Right any day. :laugh:

[user104658]

Stop trolling me and get back on point, namely the economy is booking now and has boomed even more since we voted brexit. If we handle this well it will boom even more when we trigger article 50

Come on truthey... the economy is doing OK but it's not "booming" :joker:

[bots]

Pretty much, Blair and New Labour were pretty much Center-right. I'd rather be Loony left than Raging Racist Right any day. :laugh:

i think its a bit of a big stretch to suggest anyone not left leaning is a racist, which is what you are basically implying. There is a lot more to politics than implied racism, in fact, i would go as far as to say that racism only features in a very small group of right wing fascists, and that they are equally as obscene as those that populate the very left of our politics.

[the truth]

Pretty much, Blair and New Labour were pretty much Center-right. I'd rather be Loony left than Raging Racist Right any day. :laugh:

yeah the loonies only killed a million innocent iraqis on a pack of lies

[the truth]

i think its a bit of a big stretch to suggest anyone not left leaning is a racist, which is what you are basically implying. There is a lot more to politics than implied racism, in fact, i would go as far as to say that racism only features in a very small group of right wing fascists, and that they are equally as obscene as those that populate the very left of our politics.

exactly thats all the loony left ever do, spout their mostly nonsensical anti - common sense draconian rules and anyone who disagrees is labelled a racist sexist homophobic bigot...time we made these heinous false accusations and slander a far bigger crime

[Scarlett.]

i think its a bit of a big stretch to suggest anyone not left leaning is a racist, which is what you are basically implying.

I was actually generalising a whole political point of view based on silly far-right ideals. I thought I may as well, since the left is usually generalised as the loony far-left ideals on this forum.

[the truth]

I was actually generalising a whole political point of view based on silly far-right ideals. I thought I may as well, since the left is usually generalised as the loony far-left ideals on this forum.

its a well earned description of the loony left after their borderline insane governance of this country in the 70s 90s and 2000s not to forget the endless wasteful labour run councils

[kirklancaster]

I guess this is just another one of those 'coincidences'?

Sterling hits a 31 year low (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-euro-dollar-brexit-latest-hard-theresa-may-conference-a7343736.html)

Yeah - But the rest of Scotland are high as kites. :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

its a well earned description of the loony left after their borderline insane governance of this country in the 70s 90s and 2000s not to forget the endless wasteful labour run councils

Left =/= Labour. More recent Labour governments have been more Center-Right anyway. It's only with Corbyn its moved back to the left again. Talking about borderline insane, the Conservative government is borderline insane when it comes to exploiting the rest of the country to feed London. Whats more worrying about the Tories is without any strong opposition existing, they basically have free reign to **** us all.

[Jack_]

I was actually generalising a whole political point of view based on silly far-right ideals. I thought I may as well, since the left is usually generalised as the loony far-left ideals on this forum.

Yeah, this was basically my point too. Anyway, I don't see what's 'loony' about wanting multinational corporations and the uber wealthy to pay their taxes, for us to invest in one of our greatest institutions - the national health service, for us to build more social housing so we can stop scapegoating immigrants for the shortage, for people to be entitled to rights at work and not to be exploited by others solely for capital accumulation, for us to have public transport and utility companies which don't rip people off and have appalling customer service, etc etc etc. I guess though if you want to maintain the status quo and ensure those dirty worthless scummy paupers stay in their place while you trample over them, or you just don't care about them because it doesn't affect you - then writing such ideas off as 'loony' is probably what you're gonna do :shrug:

But yeah, for every time I see the phrase 'loony left' from now on, I shall make a point of referencing the 'racist right'. If we're gonna belittle people's political ideologies then all's fair in love and war :hee:

[the truth]

Left =/= Labour. More recent Labour governments have been more Center-Right anyway. It's only with Corbyn its moved back to the left again. Talking about borderline insane, the Conservative government is borderline insane when it comes to exploiting the rest of the country to feed London. Whats more worrying about the Tories is without any strong opposition existing, they basically have free reign to **** us all.

The loony left decided to hammer the middle and working classes with endless stealth taxes, endless fines, massive car parking , enormous council tax rises, endless speeding fines and cameras and speed bumps , endless middle management jobs, massive rises in public sector chief executive wages , massive public sector spending rises, disastrous mismanagement of nhs and nhs trusts, endless public sector cover ups and endless waste and corruption...they became enslaved to poilitical correctness and the disastrous anti democratic european union, to such a degree that population rises of 600,000 a year and an estimated 2 million illegal immigrants over their 13 yrs in government

Now the tories are for the rich and believe in trickle down, teresa may claims to think about the masses, we will see

The tories are currently the lesser of 2 evils, if labour want to offer a viable alternative, they need to sack idiots like the racist dianne abbott, they need to get serious about the economy and show proper support for small businesses and run their councils properly and write roper contracts with the companies digging up their roads etc The loony left demand hand outs for every so called victim like women who need plastic boobs, but they destroy the economy and in the end they always run out of other peoples money

corbyn and mcdonnell need to provide a serious masterplan that grows the economy from the grass roots up...VAT is a massive place to start

[the truth]

Yeah, this was basically my point too. Anyway, I don't see what's 'loony' about wanting multinational corporations and the uber wealthy to pay their taxes, for us to invest in one of our greatest institutions - the national health service, for us to build more social housing so we can stop scapegoating immigrants for the shortage, for people to be entitled to rights at work and not to be exploited by others solely for capital accumulation, for us to have public transport and utility companies which don't rip people off and have appalling customer service, etc etc etc. I guess though if you want to maintain the status quo and ensure those dirty worthless scummy paupers stay in their place while you trample over them, or you just don't care about them because it doesn't affect you - then writing such ideas off as 'loony' is probably what you're gonna do :shrug:

But yeah, for every time I see the phrase 'loony left' from now on, I shall make a point of referencing the 'racist right'. If we're gonna belittle people's political ideologies then all's fair in love and war :hee:

If they ran the economy properly and actually showed some support for SME's too and stopped bankrupting the country, then maybe people would have more respect for the loony left. Until then theyve earned the term and I will continue to use it.

[Jack_]

Perhaps if the racist right stopped using divide and rule politics to set people against each other (Brits versus immigrants, 'hard working' families versus 'benefit scrounging' families) so people are conveniently blind to the fact that it's actually the 1% who are ****ing us over, then people may have more respect for their policies. Until then they've most definitely earned the term the racist reactionary right and I'll continue to use it.

[the truth]

Perhaps if the racist right stopped using divide and rule politics to set people against each other (Brits versus immigrants, 'hard working' families versus 'benefit scrounging' families) so people are conveniently blind to the fact that it's actually the 1% who are ****ing us over, then people may have more respect for their policies. Until then they've most definitely earned the term the racist reactionary right and I'll continue to use it.

Lol so you hate the reactionary right, but everything youre saying is reactionary

[Jack_]

Nothing reactionary there pal, just 'the truth' :wink:

[the truth]

Nothing reactionary there pal, just 'the truth' :wink:
LOL Im the truth....You're only calling them the reactionary right because they call labour the loony left, that is reactionary lol

[Jack_]

No, I'm calling them the reactionary racist right because they indulge in divide and rule politics that seeks to set groups of people against each other in a bid to conveniently disguise the actual root of all the problems. If we're talking social policies too, they're also pretty conservative (hence the name of the party) and if you Google the definition of 'reactionary' you'll find it's 'opposing political or social progress or reform', so go figure

Conversely you hate the 'loony' left yet almost every post you make is loony :think:

[the truth]

No, I'm calling them the reactionary racist right because they indulge in divide and rule politics that seeks to set groups of people against each other in a bid to conveniently disguise the actual root of all the problems. If we're talking social policies too, they're also pretty conservative (hence the name of the party) and if you Google the definition of 'reactionary' you'll find it's 'opposing political or social progress or reform', so go figure

Conversely you hate the 'loony' left yet almost every post you make is loony :think:

personal attack, abuse of power:nono:

[Jack_]

lol if that's a personal attack then :unsure:

You've spent this entire page baiting me, don't act like a victim now you're losing the argument

[Kizzy]

I'm beginning to feel like the UK is a business.. an old tired worn out brand that's a household name but no longer does what it says on the tin.
Things that made Britain great for me such as education, industry and healthcare is being phased out... and being replaced with 'sovereignty' which appears to consist of every asset, business or venture being owned by foreign investors :/

[the truth]

lol if that's a personal attack then :unsure:

You've spent this entire page baiting me, don't act like a victim now you're losing the argument

LOL Ive won the argument thats why you're trolling and baiting and thats why you got personally abusive AGAIN lol:joker:

[Jack_]

LOL Ive won the argument thats why you're trolling and baiting and thats why you got personally abusive AGAIN lol:joker:

Again? Not sure where you're finding these 'personally abusive' attacks :unsure:

You've now effectively resorted to 'I know you are but what am I?!?!' types of responses which is so very childish, so perhaps we should leave this here so you can quit while you've lost