View Full Version : Video emerges of Trump engaged in an 'inappropriate' discussion about women
Jack_
07-10-2016, 11:45 PM
This is doing the rounds on Twitter atm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html
Pretty revolting and still entirely unsurprising
i don't think any information that comes out on either candidate will affect voting at this stage. The reasons for peoples choices are so divorced from anything politically relevant, it's all about dislike for the potential alternative. I can't see it being anything other than close right down to polling day
Jack_
08-10-2016, 12:25 AM
Oh I still think there's a distinct possibility he's going to win this election, I just thought I'd share this since it seems it'll be the latest thorn in his side in the campaign. If anything it'll probably galvanise the anti-establishment sentiment a lot of his supporters have even more though :shrug:
Niamh.
08-10-2016, 01:43 AM
What??? Donald Trump is a sexist pig?? I just don't believe that.................. oh actually I do
Xtopher
08-10-2016, 01:59 AM
Hillary must be over the moon.
GiRTh
08-10-2016, 02:13 AM
Every time we think its over, the Trump supporters leave for a few days then come back,. You'd think this would absolutely be it but I'm still not convinced. Debate this Sunday will be fascinating. Cant see Hillary letting this go but Trump has already threatened to hit her with her husbands indiscretions. Should be one hell of a show. Not sure how much of a debate it will be though.
letmein
08-10-2016, 02:46 AM
Oh I still think there's a distinct possibility he's going to win this election, I just thought I'd share this since it seems it'll be the latest thorn in his side in the campaign. If anything it'll probably galvanise the anti-establishment sentiment a lot of his supporters have even more though :shrug:
:joker:
His entire party just threw him under the bus. He's down in the polls with Clinton kicking his ass up and down the country. Too late for him to drop out now thanks to people already voting. :wavey:
Jack_
08-10-2016, 03:00 AM
Laugh all you want, but the last eighteen months have been full of political upsets (a Tory majority, Brexit, Trump securing the nomination) and I don't think this election is wrapped up by any means. I wish it was, but time has taught us otherwise.
GiRTh
08-10-2016, 03:05 AM
:joker:
His entire party just threw him under the bus. He's down in the polls with Clinton kicking his ass up and down the country. Too late for him to drop out now thanks to people already voting. :wavey:Agree. He's getting slaughtered on all news stations at the moment, even by right wingers. I doubt the pussy grabbing demographic will turn their back on him though. :joker:
Jack_
08-10-2016, 03:07 AM
I saw a Facebook comment on a Guardian post about this earlier which I thought kinda summed it up, this still won't be enough for a lot of his supporters. It would take a video of him insulting white working class religious men (which must surely exist) for them to finally abandon ship
Jack_
08-10-2016, 04:40 AM
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Could he be any more insincere? Also makes Brian Dowling's autocue reading look amazing
...it's all BANTZ though Jack with the boys...so much he's inferred in his campaign about Bill Clinton as well...:laugh:...a married president who isn't faithful as opposed to a guy who wants to be president who does his very best to 'hit' on a married lady ..oh he tried, he tried, he tried....ooops...
GiRTh
08-10-2016, 05:44 AM
I cant get over the tic tacs.
Meanwhile, at Tic Tac HQ:
"Guys! It's finally happened! We're trending!"
"Really? Why?"
"Hang on; I'll click through. OH, SON OF A..."
...(I can't post actual tweet boxes for some reason/they don't post for me..)...
GiRTh
08-10-2016, 06:15 AM
Meanwhile, at Tic Tac HQ:
"Guys! It's finally happened! We're trending!"
"Really? Why?"
"Hang on; I'll click through. OH, SON OF A..."
...(I can't post actual tweet boxes for some reason/they don't post for me..)...:laugh:
Northern Monkey
08-10-2016, 07:29 AM
I mean the pussy grabbing bit was abit much.The rest seemed pretty tame though to be honest.
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 07:49 AM
Private banter from 11 years ago? sold to make a profit for a newspaper and their rich owners? The CLintons must be desperate indeed
Still at least he did not get a blow job from an intern when he was actual president in the actual white house when he was meant to be working and then lie to his wife and to the nation bare face?
pathetic smear and there isnt a politician alive that would be happy to publish private banter
Still at least he did not get a blow job from an intern when he was actual president in the actual white house when he was meant to be working and then lie to his wife and to the nation bare face?
Don't see how that's relevant since that was Bill not Hillary
anyway he's repulsive as always and anyone who supports his behaviour is as bad.
arista
08-10-2016, 08:27 AM
"Private banter from 11 years ago? sold to make a profit for a newspaper and their rich owners? The Clintons must be desperate indeed"
Bang On Right LT.
Johnnyuk123
08-10-2016, 08:30 AM
Private banter from 11 years ago? sold to make a profit for a newspaper and their rich owners? The CLintons must be desperate indeed
Still at least he did not get a blow job from an intern when he was actual president in the actual white house when he was meant to be working and then lie to his wife and to the nation bare face?
pathetic smear and there isnt a politician alive that would be happy to publish private banter
Desperation tactics indeed. :nono: The Clinton's have spent millions smearing Donald Trump throughout this campaign. So this little nugget from 11 yrs ago shows just how desperate and scared they are of Donald winning. He is gonna win folks so get used to it!
kirklancaster
08-10-2016, 08:35 AM
And this is 'Earth Shattering', 'Campaign Threatening', 'Oh So Shocking' news??? ZZZzzzzzzzz.
Let's face it - the majority of men; Married, Single, Gay - have indulged in 'inappropriate' sexually oriented banter at some point in their lives, and to a degree, most of us are sometimes 'social chameleons'; tailoring our behaviour on a superficial level to the specific company we are in and the occasion.
It's particularly ironic, that Trump was 'led astray' and influenced by someone named BUSH, but although we - very conveniently - have not got any earlier footage which would corroborate it, I believe, that this is exactly what transpired.
I believe that obsequious Billy Bush - who was ever so obviously 'brown-nosing' Trump - probably initiated and 'led' the conversation in the distasteful direction of 'Locker Room' banter, and Trump's massive ego got the better of him in responding boastfully.
Analyse the video clip, and you will clearly witness that it is sycophant Bush who is 'making the running' here:
"Sheesh, your girl's hot as ****. In the purple" - referring to Arianne Zucker - and "Yes! The Donald has scored" followed by "Woah. My Man!"
There is then indistinct 'cross-talk' followed by a 'non-committal' Trump saying to Bush; "Look at you, You are a pussy" which is - to me - another way of saying; "Look at you you idiot, you are being such a cont" and is chiding and reproachful, no matter if said in a repressed manner.
There then follows a still more convenient 'distortion' as the 'party' alights - ALL of them males significantly.
Shortly before Trump and Bush alights, Trump speaks about 'tic-tacs and kissing', which - to me - was said in jocular fashion, and even when his conversation turns more distasteful, and he talks about being 'automatically attracted to beautiful women' (which heterosexual male ISN'T?) it is pathetic Bush's 'lewd schoolboy' laughter which is stoking up Trump's ego and encouraging him to continue to 'keep operating his mouth without engaging his brain'.
As for this section of Trump's comments; that (some) women will let 'stars' (and apparently 'powerful' men') do anything, including allowing them to 'grab' their 'pussies', then, as distasteful and sexist as this may be - isn't it the truth?
Taking Trump away from his boastful philosophising, Bush - again - brings the sexist focus back on to the approaching Arianne, whom he can obviously see through the coach windows:
"Yeah those legs. All I can see is the legs".
Sheep Trump agrees, but then changes the subject by talking about Gerald Ford once falling out of his campaign bus - to which Bush does not respond. (probably because the shallow pig does not know who Gerald Ford is)
Upon alighting and greeting Arianne, notice how 'proper' and 'polite' Trump is being, and notice how it is ass-licker Bush who suggests that Arianne gives 'Donald a hug'.
When all three are walking to their destination, it is sycophantic 'match-maker' Bush who hangs back, leaving Trump with Arianne, though Trump keeps a respectable gap between himself and Arianne, and even urges Bush to catch up and walk between them.
When ass-licker Bush obliges, it is Arianne who suggests that she should be in the middle.
Trump's conduct throughout this 'greeting' and 'walk' is unimpeachable and proper, and his 'body-language' is very telling; he is NOT interested in making any type of overtures to Arianne - 'Romantic' or 'Sexual' - and the previous 'banter' is just that -- banter.
Once again, and embarrassingly, it is 'toadie' Bush who tries to - incongruously - steer the conversation to a highly personal nature by asking poor Arianne which of the two between him and Trump she would choose as a date.
Again - though suppressed - Trump tries to interject to spare Arianne embarrassment, but prick Bush persists.
Trump is a putz but all this hysterical OTT 'reaching' over B.S. like this is tedious - in my opinion.
There are far, far, far, more valid reasons why Trump is a poor Presidential candidate, and being 'a sexist pig' is not one of them.
There are plenty of politicians in this country, let alone the USA - past and present - who harbour sordid sexual secrets which would cause national scandal were they to be exposed, not to mention all those who HAVE had their scandalous sexual skeletons well and truly dragged from the closest.
Up to now, Trump - unlike Hilary's better half, ex-President Bill - is free from any real sexual scandals, being a 'sexist pig' apart, and his gaffe here is in allowing his ego to get the better of him when he was being lured by an ass-licking, obsequious twat like Bush, who was trying so desperately to ingratiate himself with Trump.
Bush would be Trump's pimp if 'The Donald' needed his services - something, that I am sure billionaire Trump does not need.
...yeah because other than this vid and conversation, he's fairly much showed himself to have so many admirable qualities to balance his whole character over time so it doesn't really matter about the bantz/LADZ...:laugh:...Kirk you're an ever believer in people and seeing the best in them....:laugh:...
Amy Jade
08-10-2016, 08:54 AM
Still at least he did not get a blow job from an intern when he was actual president in the actual white house when he was meant to be working and then lie to his wife and to the nation bare face?
You make a great case. Poor Hilary, hope people vote for her out of sympathy x
There really hasn't been a time that Trump has said that he is lilly white. Clinton makes herself appear that she is above reproach for anything, yet she is exactly the same liar as her husband. For those that say she shouldn't be held accountable for her husbands actions, she was complicit in his cover up for her own political agenda. I dont think that's anything to be proud of, and its typical of the woman throughout her career. She is not an honest person.
Clinton and Trump are a dreadful pair, and if the American people let the establishment thrust them upon them as choices for president, it is quite frankly, their own fault for allowing it to happen in the first place.
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 09:05 AM
What is so ridiculous is anyone even pretending that they are shocked, that they had no idea that he could be like this in private with another man talking about a woman
I mean there was lil old I thinking he would be like "I say that young lady is attractive but I am married so will not pass comment"
yeah riiiiiiiiiggggghhhhht
:rolleyes:
I guess it's true, straight white men really are the most discriminated against in society
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 09:07 AM
here for the forum member who agrees to have all their pms published unedited..
:clap1:
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 09:07 AM
I guess it's true, straight white men really are the most discriminated against in society
sample size one MB is no sample
Jamie89
08-10-2016, 09:13 AM
He's an embarrassment
I saw a Facebook comment on a Guardian post about this earlier which I thought kinda summed it up, this still won't be enough for a lot of his supporters. It would take a video of him insulting white working class religious men (which must surely exist) for them to finally abandon ship
I agree, I don't think this will hurt him too much, unfortunately.
Meanwhile, at Tic Tac HQ:
"Guys! It's finally happened! We're trending!"
"Really? Why?"
"Hang on; I'll click through. OH, SON OF A..."
...(I can't post actual tweet boxes for some reason/they don't post for me..)...
:joker:
here for the forum member who agrees to have all their pms published unedited..
:clap1:
If they're running for President of the United States and saying extremely rapey things like "I just start kissing them, I don't even wait" and "when you're a star they let you do it" then yes, they probably should do that
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 09:19 AM
If they're running for President of the United States and saying extremely rapey things like "I just start kissing them, I don't even wait" and "when you're a star they let you do it" then yes, they probably should do that
So you would agree to bugging Clintons office and publishing the data, and trump?
So you would agree to bugging Clintons office and publishing the data, and trump?
If they're covering up things which would make them completely unsuitable to run a country if they can't go a few paces without trying to **** a woman, and it isn't on the level of Watergate (so that'd be a no to bugging anyone's offices), then sure, go ahead
Especially given that these comments were made on a TV set in front of a microphone and not, say, in the comfort of his own home, in which case it's hardly an invasion of privacy
Cherie
08-10-2016, 09:39 AM
No Trump fan, but this is hardly news, politician is lewd in private conversation...nooooooo....I've seen more lewdness on this public forum at times
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 09:41 AM
If they're covering up things which would make them completely unsuitable to run a country if they can't go a few paces without trying to **** a woman, and it isn't on the level of Watergate (so that'd be a no to bugging anyone's offices), then sure, go ahead
Especially given that these comments were made on a TV set in front of a microphone and not, say, in the comfort of his own home, in which case it's hardly an invasion of privacy
They were made inside a bus and should not have been broadcast for profit
because lets face it, the Post did not do this for altruism
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 09:43 AM
No Trump fan, but this is hardly news, politician is lewd in private conversation...nooooooo....I've seen more lewdness on this public forum at times
Its just more free publicity for Trump tbh
Jamie89
08-10-2016, 09:57 AM
They were made inside a bus and should not have been broadcast for profit
because lets face it, the Post did not do this for altruism
No newspaper/site writes articles for altruism, how does that invalidate the story?
UserSince2005
08-10-2016, 10:04 AM
Hes a man of course hes going to talk like this.
you dont think Hilary talks about go down on the dick when she is in privte?
It wouldn't surprise me if the Trump team released the video themselves. This isn't an election in its traditional sense, its a crazy parody that has nothing to do with politics, competence or solid moral fibre.
the truth
08-10-2016, 11:02 AM
Hes a man of course hes going to talk like this.
you dont think Hilary talks about go down on the dick when she is in privte?
sexist, many women do talk lewd and crude especially in groups
EspeonBB
08-10-2016, 01:06 PM
It's amazing that he'll probably get away with this, but if any other politician had said this their campaign would be over
UserSince2005
08-10-2016, 01:12 PM
sexist, many women do talk lewd and crude especially in groups
yes of course hence my comment
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 01:42 PM
The guy is 70, what did you expect, he grew up in a different generation to todays fear of the PC brigade. He does not give a fck and people like that, even if he is a bit of a dick
Bernie Sanders is 75 and manages not to act like a complete sexist douchebag, age is no excuse
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 01:50 PM
Bernie Sanders is 75 and manages not to act like a complete sexist douchebag, age is no excuse
incorrect, no one cares enough about him to dredge through thousands of hours of footage in the hope of unearthing something
and all men are sexist with other men
fact
Tom4784
08-10-2016, 01:50 PM
Bernie Sanders is 75 and manages not to act like a complete sexist douchebag, age is no excuse
:clap1:
Not to mention that, in general, he was easily the most progressive candidate as well.
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 01:59 PM
:clap1:
Not to mention that, in general, he was easily the most progressive candidate as well.
too old
Firewire
08-10-2016, 02:09 PM
too old
What age is too old then? Donald Trump is 70
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 02:11 PM
What age is too old then? Donald Trump is 70
75
_Tom_
08-10-2016, 02:18 PM
75
:joker:
_Tom_
08-10-2016, 02:19 PM
LeatherTrumpet :omgno:
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 02:37 PM
Leat her Trumpet
:omgno:
leat her trumpet :shocked:
Johnnyuk123
08-10-2016, 03:51 PM
sexist, many women do talk lewd and crude especially in groups
Agreed 100%
Just take a look at the innocent giant galaxy chocolate bar thread and you will see the girls have turned it into a complete sex fest of filth and innuendo. :nono:
Brother Leon
08-10-2016, 04:28 PM
Jesus. This comes out and Hilary's leaked speeches. The clown epidemic is real.
Crimson Dynamo
08-10-2016, 04:51 PM
Greed 100%
Just take a look at the innocent giant galaxy chocolate bar thread and you will see the girls have turned it into a complete sex fest of filth and innuendo. :nono:
the woman on tibb are the worst
shocking thirst
letmein
08-10-2016, 10:06 PM
How many men have a lawsuit pending alleging that they raped a girl at 13 or whose ex-wife says that they raped her, or who is a father who goes on and on about how hot his daughter is, how he would date her, and how you can call them a hot piece of ass? This all pertains to Trump. Oh, and WORSE FOOTAGE IS COMING. THE RNC JUST PULLED ALL FUNDING FROM HIS CAMPAIGN. IT'S OVER.
letmein
08-10-2016, 10:08 PM
Jesus. This comes out and Hilary's leaked speeches. The clown epidemic is real.
And there was nothing in said speeches when read in full. Poor rapist/famewh0re/Russian spy Assange and KGB Putin. Can't wait for Hillz to finally take these two pos out!
Meanwhile, at Tic Tac HQ:
"Guys! It's finally happened! We're trending!"
"Really? Why?"
"Hang on; I'll click through. OH, SON OF A..."
...(I can't post actual tweet boxes for some reason/they don't post for me..)...
Speaking of Tic Tacs, Ammi... :laugh:
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See Stephen Colbert's Reaction to Donald Trump's Leaked Video
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/see-stephen-colberts-reaction-to-trumps-leaked-video-w444011
"All the Tic Tacs in the world will not freshen his breath after this," Colbert quipped.
After several more face palms and moments of "Oh my god," Colbert summarized his thoughts on the leaked video, which forced Trump to issue a rare apology.
"Here's what I really found disgusting: Trump says in the video, quote, 'When you're a star, they let you get away with anything,'" Colbert said. "And unfortunately that's true. Because Donald Trump is the Republican nominee. And hopefully someday he'll be telling the story about how he tried to ******* America, and failed."
:laugh::laugh:
Ready to vote and get this election over with. :clap1: Bring on November.
I wouldn't be surprised when Clinton takes office that more scandals start emerging that similarly tanks her approval rating. Some other tapes (Wallstreet related) came out in the midst of this and it's been buried with this news. Hillary Clinton secrecy won't work in an era of tape recorders, smart phones and cyber hacking. I'm sure with all the digging that has been done by the media and the major parties, they've found some unique gems to keep in their pocket just for the right moment. There's no way Trump can win, and even if Trump were to win, the Republicans would lose in the long-term as it will only further damage their party...
The right has championed morals as their platform since forever, but they've now had that rug pulled right from underneath them with this stupid oaf being their leading candidate... the people demanded change in the form of a wildcard, but they got more than they bargained for. :laugh:
GiRTh
08-10-2016, 11:23 PM
Have we found out yet who is the 'Nancy' he's referring to in the vid.; the one who he 'moved on like a bitch' :joker: with her new fake tits :laugh2:
Have we found out yet who is the 'Nancy' he's referring to in the vid.; the one who he 'moved on like a bitch' :joker: with her new fake tits :laugh2:
She is Nancy O'Dell. She made a statement today I think.
Nancy O'Dell breaks her silence on vulgar Donald Trump recording
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2016/10/08/donald-trump-billy-bush-were-talking-nancy-odell-leaked-audio/91786526/
GiRTh
08-10-2016, 11:47 PM
Thanks :thumbs:
I see she got married around the time the incident took place.
Brother Leon
08-10-2016, 11:53 PM
And there was nothing in said speeches when read in full. Poor rapist/famewh0re/Russian spy Assange and KGB Putin. Can't wait for Hillz to finally take these two pos out!
Other than the fact it was proven even further that she's a confirmed Liar and nothing she says in public can be trusted.... anyway. Whoever is elected, will not serve their full term. Quote me.
GiRTh
09-10-2016, 03:43 AM
O8uoS-ULH40
Liberty4eva
09-10-2016, 04:10 AM
O8uoS-ULH40
LOL, the woman was obviously fake crying.
GiRTh
09-10-2016, 04:37 AM
Millions of women share sexual assault stories on Twitter after Donald Trump comments (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/09/women-share-sexual-assault-stories-on-twitter-after-donald-trump-comments)
This is actually heart breaking :bawling: :hug:
Anyway should be a good debate tonight. :thumbs:
LOL, the woman was obviously fake crying.
...even if it was fake though...it would still make no difference to the content of what she says or that he has no regard or respect at all toward females...
Millions of women share sexual assault stories on Twitter after Donald Trump comments (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/09/women-share-sexual-assault-stories-on-twitter-after-donald-trump-comments)
This is actually heart breaking :bawling: :hug:
Anyway should be a good debate tonight. :thumbs:
...those tweets/stories..:sad:..
..I have to say that I'm really stunned by some of the views in this thread ..this isn't just 'crude banter'...menfolk talk...he's said that he just goes up and kisses females/grabs them or whatever because 'he's a star' so he can do that..so basically sexual assault and that's just 'banter' from a 70yr old because PC has gone mad now and people will speak out more about this being wrong...it's wrong now and it was wrong 70yrs ago ..and 70yrs into the future, it will still be wrong...
y.winter
09-10-2016, 05:44 AM
Why are they all shocked with his comments? Does it come as a surprise to anyone? :bored:
Liberty4eva
09-10-2016, 05:50 AM
...even if it was fake though...it would still make no difference to the content of what she says or that he has no regard or respect at all toward females...
So women never talk about similar stuff about men when they are alone? If we're gonna talk about Donald Trump's alpha-male boasting with another guy, then isn't it also fair to discuss all of the women Bill and Hillary have abused? I see a double standard.
So women never talk about similar stuff about men when they are alone? If we're gonna talk about Donald Trump's alpha-male boasting with another guy, then isn't it also fair to discuss all of the women Bill and Hillary have abused? I see a double standard.
..if a Hilary conversation is revealed of her saying that she goes up to guys and just kisses them or grabs their penis or whatever, I'll be on it...
GiRTh
09-10-2016, 06:08 AM
..I have to say that I'm really stunned by some of the views in this thread ..this isn't just 'crude banter'...menfolk talk...he's said that he just goes up and kisses females/grabs them or whatever because 'he's a star' so he can do that..so basically sexual assault and that's just 'banter' from a 70yr old because PC has gone mad now and people will speak out more about this being wrong...it's wrong now and it was wrong 70yrs ago ..and 70yrs into the future, it will still be wrong...:clap1:
GiRTh
09-10-2016, 06:10 AM
..if a Hilary conversation is revealed of her saying that she goes up to guys and just kisses them or grabs their penis or whatever, I'll be on it...Dont forget the tic tacs.
...:laugh:..excuse me your honour...I had Tic Tacs, I'm very thoughtful in my sexual assaults, I'm a gentleman....
GiRTh
09-10-2016, 07:13 AM
...:laugh:..excuse me your honour...I had Tic Tacs, I'm very thoughtful in my sexual assaults, I'm a gentleman....:joker:
...he's pledged to be a better man tomorrow though.../obviously he didn't mention the day after...
LC2rpPapBYE
kirklancaster
09-10-2016, 11:04 AM
...yeah because other than this vid and conversation, he's fairly much showed himself to have so many admirable qualities to balance his whole character over time so it doesn't really matter about the bantz/LADZ...:laugh:...Kirk you're an ever believer in people and seeing the best in them....:laugh:...
:laugh::nono: Nowhere on any thread on this forum have I ever supported Donald Trump. Neither have I supported Hilary Clinton, but that's another post. :laugh:
All I was doing in my post which you kindly responded to Ammi, was pointing out that this 11 year old 'scoop' is nothing to get worked up about, because - apart from the fact that it has been 'conveniently and selectively edited - it tells us nothing about Trump that we did not already know.
I was not defending Trump in the slightest, when I claimed that his 'Locker Room' banter was typical of most other males at some point in their lives, because it is true. Most men HAVE and DO still indulge in that type of talk about women when they are with other men.
I was not defending Trump in the slightest when I claimed that what he said about 'Stars', ie; rich and powerful and famous men, being able to do anything they want to to (certain) women, ie; the type of American women who move in such men's circles HOPING to bolster their own ambitions to be rich, powerful or famous, or even 'snare' such men and marry them, because it is perfectly true - such men CAN do such things to such WOMEN.
From the Hollywood 'casting couches' of the 20's onwards, to late nights having to "work with the boss in the office dear", such women HAVE always prostituted their principles with rich, powerful, famous men, for personal ambition.
'Snatch' grabbing, is NOTHING out of the ordinary when it comes to what is deemed 'acceptable by such types of people - as disgusting as it may be to some other types of people to actually hear this said.
I strongly believe that sycophantic Billy Bush DID lead Trump on, and DID attempt to curry favour and ingratiate himself by stoking Trump's ego and encouraging him to boast.
And I do believe that Trump was raconteuring and 'playing to the gallery' more than actually and honestly relating his current true M.O. when it comes to women.
I will repeat, that in my opinion, there is NOTHING wrong in a man of any age being ATTRACTED to beautiful women - I am 'past my sell by date' :laugh: but to my dying day, a beautiful woman will ALWAYS take my eye - and Trump is older than me at 70 years old, so whilst he may still be attracted to 'beautiful women', I very much doubt that his sexual appetite has remained the same as it was even 11 years ago, so being 'attracted' and wanting to go further than that attraction, are two very different things.
If you re-read my original post, you will clearly see that I was NOT excusing Trump, I was indicting him, but also indicting Billy Bush.
I was, however, stating the TRUTH as I see it, like I ALWAYS do.
This 'scoop' is 11 years old.
It has been edited.
It tells us nothing new.
Trumps conduct and body language with Arianne is impeccable and in direct contrast to the sexist 'Locker Room' boasting exhibited earlier.
As I said earlier, there are many reasons why Trump should not be President (as there are reasons why Hilary Clinton should not be) but using this video and claiming it as one of them is 'reaching' - In my opinion, of course.
What I find amazing is these high profile figures that have decided not to support him after hearing the video. Who did they think they were voting for prior to its release, a saint? :laugh:
If I was a betting man, I would suggest its release was a pre-planned event to coincide with this next debate, and the withdrawal of support was also pre-planned. Anything else is just not believable.
kirklancaster
09-10-2016, 01:00 PM
What I find amazing is these high profile figures that have decided not to support him after hearing the video. Who did they think they were voting for prior to its release, a saint? :laugh:
If I was a betting man, I would suggest its release was a pre-planned event to coincide with this next debate, and the withdrawal of support was also pre-planned. Anything else is just not believable.
I totally agree BOTS, and that phrase of yours; 'High profile figures' was one I was searching my ever more decrepit mind for to save me repeating; 'rich, powerful, and famous', but could not find. :laugh:
:laugh::nono: Nowhere on any thread on this forum have I ever supported Donald Trump. Neither have I supported Hilary Clinton, but that's another post. :laugh:
All I was doing in my post which you kindly responded to Ammi, was pointing out that this 11 year old 'scoop' is nothing to get worked up about, because - apart from the fact that it has been 'conveniently and selectively edited - it tells us nothing about Trump that we did not already know.
I was not defending Trump in the slightest, when I claimed that his 'Locker Room' banter was typical of most other males at some point in their lives, because it is true. Most men HAVE and DO still indulge in that type of talk about women when they are with other men.
I was not defending Trump in the slightest when I claimed that what he said about 'Stars', ie; rich and powerful and famous men, being able to do anything they want to to (certain) women, ie; the type of American women who move in such men's circles HOPING to bolster their own ambitions to be rich, powerful or famous, or even 'snare' such men and marry them, because it is perfectly true - such men CAN do such things to such WOMEN.
From the Hollywood 'casting couches' of the 20's onwards, to late nights having to "work with the boss in the office dear", such women HAVE always prostituted their principles with rich, powerful, famous men, for personal ambition.
'Snatch' grabbing, is NOTHING out of the ordinary when it comes to what is deemed 'acceptable by such types of people - as disgusting as it may be to some other types of people to actually hear this said.
I strongly believe that sycophantic Billy Bush DID lead Trump on, and DID attempt to curry favour and ingratiate himself by stoking Trump's ego and encouraging him to boast.
And I do believe that Trump was raconteuring and 'playing to the gallery' more than actually and honestly relating his current true M.O. when it comes to women.
I will repeat, that in my opinion, there is NOTHING wrong in a man of any age being ATTRACTED to beautiful women - I am 'past my sell by date' :laugh: but to my dying day, a beautiful woman will ALWAYS take my eye - and Trump is older than me at 70 years old, so whilst he may still be attracted to 'beautiful women', I very much doubt that his sexual appetite has remained the same as it was even 11 years ago, so being 'attracted' and wanting to go further than that attraction, are two very different things.
If you re-read my original post, you will clearly see that I was NOT excusing Trump, I was indicting him, but also indicting Billy Bush.
I was, however, stating the TRUTH as I see it, like I ALWAYS do.
This 'scoop' is 11 years old.
It has been edited.
It tells us nothing new.
Trumps conduct and body language with Arianne is impeccable and in direct contrast to the sexist 'Locker Room' boasting exhibited earlier.
As I said earlier, there are many reasons why Trump should not be President (as there are reasons why Hilary Clinton should not be) but using this video and claiming it as one of them is 'reaching' - In my opinion, of course.
...my post Kirk was not referencing your general stance on Trump at all in any way as I have no idea what that is... but that this videoed conversation aside, Trump hasn't showed any positive balance in his character/any admirable qualities whatsoever in the views that he has on anything...most of what he says is very worrying....but I do think it's very much something to comment on and be worried further about ..(as is Hilary on her past and present...)...he wasn't discussing females in any kind of appreciative way that could be perceived as 'boyz banter'....he specifically stated that he just started kissing females, he didn't even wait, I think were his exact words..because when you're a star, you can do that/they let you do that/you can do anything you want/you can grab them by the ....(I won't use his terminology...)... that's not banter, that's extremely worrying that, he feel it's ok for those to be his actions with females because he's a 'star'...I wonder if he would think it was ok for other males to feel that they could kiss or grab his daughter without waiting for her consent to do so...because it's basically sexual assault...and that's a specific character of a particular person and not typical in any way of guys or 'guy conversations'...
Niamh.
09-10-2016, 01:33 PM
...my post Kirk was not referencing your general stance on Trump at all in any way as I have no idea what that is... but that this videoed conversation aside, Trump hasn't showed any positive balance in his character/any admirable qualities whatsoever in the views that he has on anything...most of what he says is very worrying....but I do think it's very much something to comment on and be worried further about ..(as is Hilary on her past and present...)...he wasn't discussing females in any kind of appreciative way that could be perceived as 'boyz banter'....he specifically stated that he just started kissing females, he didn't even wait, I think were his exact words..because when you're a star, you can do that/they let you do that/you can do anything you want/you can grab them by the ....(I won't use his terminology...)... that's not banter, that's extremely worrying that, he feel it's ok for those to be his actions with females because he's a 'star'...I wonder if he would think it was ok for other males to feel that they could kiss or grab his daughter without waiting for her consent to do so...because it's basically sexual assault...and that's a specific character of a particular person and not typical in any way of guys or 'guy conversations'...
tbh Ammi I don't even reckon he would care if someone did that to his daughter, he's even made strange comments about her himself
Jessica.
09-10-2016, 01:34 PM
He said he would date his daughter if he could
GiRTh
09-10-2016, 01:56 PM
...my post Kirk was not referencing your general stance on Trump at all in any way as I have no idea what that is... but that this videoed conversation aside, Trump hasn't showed any positive balance in his character/any admirable qualities whatsoever in the views that he has on anything...most of what he says is very worrying....but I do think it's very much something to comment on and be worried further about ..(as is Hilary on her past and present...)...he wasn't discussing females in any kind of appreciative way that could be perceived as 'boyz banter'....he specifically stated that he just started kissing females, he didn't even wait, I think were his exact words..because when you're a star, you can do that/they let you do that/you can do anything you want/you can grab them by the ....(I won't use his terminology...)... that's not banter, that's extremely worrying that, he feel it's ok for those to be his actions with females because he's a 'star'...I wonder if he would think it was ok for other males to feel that they could kiss or grab his daughter without waiting for her consent to do so...because it's basically sexual assault...and that's a specific character of a particular person and not typical in any way of guys or 'guy conversations'...Agree.
This is not banter, he's describing what he does and how he treats a woman. And now a few women are coming forward saying they got the tic tacs treatment.
CNN’s Erin Burnett Reports Donald Trump Kissed Her Friend Without Consent (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-erin-burnett-video_us_57f83edce4b0b6a430326776)
:yuk:
kirklancaster
09-10-2016, 01:58 PM
...my post Kirk was not referencing your general stance on Trump at all in any way as I have no idea what that is... but that this videoed conversation aside, Trump hasn't showed any positive balance in his character/any admirable qualities whatsoever in the views that he has on anything...most of what he says is very worrying....but I do think it's very much something to comment on and be worried further about ..(as is Hilary on her past and present...)...he wasn't discussing females in any kind of appreciative way that could be perceived as 'boyz banter'....he specifically stated that he just started kissing females, he didn't even wait, I think were his exact words..because when you're a star, you can do that/they let you do that/you can do anything you want/you can grab them by the ....(I won't use his terminology...)... that's not banter, that's extremely worrying that, he feel it's ok for those to be his actions with females because he's a 'star'...I wonder if he would think it was ok for other males to feel that they could kiss or grab his daughter without waiting for her consent to do so...because it's basically sexual assault...and that's a specific character of a particular person and not typical in any way of guys or 'guy conversations'...
Oh I'm not 'taking you to task' or taking any umbrage Ammi - please believe me upon that - I was trying to explain a post which I thought you had misinterpreted.
I totally agree with you that just 'kissing' females without invite or permission, is 'sexual assault' - in OUR normal world, but not in Trump's very different world.
I truly think that Trump - driven by an ego stoked up by Bush - was boasting, but if he was not, then all these women that he 'kissed' without permission MUST have had no objection 'after the fact', otherwise we all would have been treated to decades of 'multi-million pound' lawsuits against Trump for 'Sexual Assault', from hundreds of outraged women.
Either that, or these women ARE the type of which I wrote about, and were all willing to allow Trump to abuse them without taking offence because it suited their agenda.
You allude as to what my stance is on Trump, and I will admit, that my detestation of Clinton is so great, that at the onset of this 'Race For The White House', I preferred Trump.
I did so, because, I liked his 'aura' as a TV star, and somewhat grudgingly admired his ability to 'play' the 'corporate money game' and remain a billionaire despite being bankrupt several times - or some of his various companies were bankrupt, rather. This is how the super-rich are able to place themselves in a 'speculate and win/win, speculate and lose/win' position - because the system is designed to enable them to do just that.
Only poor people suffer if they fail at the fiscal game.
As time as elapsed though, I have seen Trump for what he is, and have lost any admiration I once held for him - both on a personal and professional level.
That said, I am still not moved to ever support Hilary Clinton, so I really do not care who wins the Presidency.
I hope that this clears this up Ammi, I love and respect you too much to ever let any difference of opinion affect our friendship - let alone any misinterpretation by either of us.
user104658
09-10-2016, 04:06 PM
I am convinced I just wrote and posted a long response to this! :umm2:
Anyway, err, to now paraphrase the whole thing:
- Not all guys "talk like that" in peer pressure situations. Most YOUNG guys do, but the half decent ones grow out of it by their early 20's.
- I find it irksome that it's being suggested that "all males" are like this because it's flat out bull****.
- His (apparent) "status" is not any sort of excuse, there are plenty of far more successful / famous men than Trump who are not anything like Trump.
- I agree that Hilldawg is a bad candidate too, but she is oldschool bad American politics who will change very little.
- I get that people want "change" and to "rock the boat" of politics.
- I disagree that this should be "by any means necessary"; as I said I think Hillary will be an inconsequential president and the US can afford to seek change from the political status quo at a later date, when a truly good option is available. The idea seems to be "yeah vote Trump coz he's new and different!". Urr. If you don't like your life, cutting off your hands would make for a new and different one, too. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
user104658
09-10-2016, 04:11 PM
I also said some stuff about how Arnie (hardcore republican) has publically denounced Trump and essentially called him out for not being representative of American / Republican values in any way, and lamented the fact that we can't have Arnie as president because he's not a natural-born US citizen :(.
Arnie would make a great prez. I'm not Republican-inclined at all but come on. Arnie! (Also his Republican reasoning seems to be pretty sound, and truly based on the ideal of low governance)
the truth
09-10-2016, 04:13 PM
more disturbing than trumps schoolboy drivel is the fact someone filmed this and kept it for 11 years to use it as ammunition just 3 weeks before an election..what a grubby business politics is...this simply encouraging spying, entrapment, phone tapping, under cover cameras etc etc you can guarantee every person on the planet has said something daft, stupid, lewd or inappropriate in their lives but wouldnt necessarily expect it to be secretly filmed and kept in storage but your enemies
Kizzy
09-10-2016, 04:15 PM
:laugh::nono: Nowhere on any thread on this forum have I ever supported Donald Trump. Neither have I supported Hilary Clinton, but that's another post. :laugh:
All I was doing in my post which you kindly responded to Ammi, was pointing out that this 11 year old 'scoop' is nothing to get worked up about, because - apart from the fact that it has been 'conveniently and selectively edited - it tells us nothing about Trump that we did not already know.
I was not defending Trump in the slightest, when I claimed that his 'Locker Room' banter was typical of most other males at some point in their lives, because it is true. Most men HAVE and DO still indulge in that type of talk about women when they are with other men.
I was not defending Trump in the slightest when I claimed that what he said about 'Stars', ie; rich and powerful and famous men, being able to do anything they want to to (certain) women, ie; the type of American women who move in such men's circles HOPING to bolster their own ambitions to be rich, powerful or famous, or even 'snare' such men and marry them, because it is perfectly true - such men CAN do such things to such WOMEN.
From the Hollywood 'casting couches' of the 20's onwards, to late nights having to "work with the boss in the office dear", such women HAVE always prostituted their principles with rich, powerful, famous men, for personal ambition.
'Snatch' grabbing, is NOTHING out of the ordinary when it comes to what is deemed 'acceptable by such types of people - as disgusting as it may be to some other types of people to actually hear this said.
I strongly believe that sycophantic Billy Bush DID lead Trump on, and DID attempt to curry favour and ingratiate himself by stoking Trump's ego and encouraging him to boast.
And I do believe that Trump was raconteuring and 'playing to the gallery' more than actually and honestly relating his current true M.O. when it comes to women.
I will repeat, that in my opinion, there is NOTHING wrong in a man of any age being ATTRACTED to beautiful women - I am 'past my sell by date' :laugh: but to my dying day, a beautiful woman will ALWAYS take my eye - and Trump is older than me at 70 years old, so whilst he may still be attracted to 'beautiful women', I very much doubt that his sexual appetite has remained the same as it was even 11 years ago, so being 'attracted' and wanting to go further than that attraction, are two very different things.
If you re-read my original post, you will clearly see that I was NOT excusing Trump, I was indicting him, but also indicting Billy Bush.
I was, however, stating the TRUTH as I see it, like I ALWAYS do.
This 'scoop' is 11 years old.
It has been edited.
It tells us nothing new.
Trumps conduct and body language with Arianne is impeccable and in direct contrast to the sexist 'Locker Room' boasting exhibited earlier.
As I said earlier, there are many reasons why Trump should not be President (as there are reasons why Hilary Clinton should not be) but using this video and claiming it as one of them is 'reaching' - In my opinion, of course.
Hang on... young women who are exploited, harassed and assaulted in their careers that is their fault?
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It matters not how old the clip is he has admitted they were his words nobody put them in his mouth thererfore voters have a choice whether or not to vote for someone who even at that time was no spring chicken, he was 50+!
I doubt 'most' men are that disrespectful, surely it is the circles you move in and the company you keep that determines the calibre of the conversation?
Kizzy
09-10-2016, 04:30 PM
Oh I'm not 'taking you to task' or taking any umbrage Ammi - please believe me upon that - I was trying to explain a post which I thought you had misinterpreted.
I totally agree with you that just 'kissing' females without invite or permission, is 'sexual assault' - in OUR normal world, but not in Trump's very different world.
I truly think that Trump - driven by an ego stoked up by Bush - was boasting, but if he was not, then all these women that he 'kissed' without permission MUST have had no objection 'after the fact', otherwise we all would have been treated to decades of 'multi-million pound' lawsuits against Trump for 'Sexual Assault', from hundreds of outraged women.
Either that, or these women ARE the type of which I wrote about, and were all willing to allow Trump to abuse them without taking offence because it suited their agenda.
You allude as to what my stance is on Trump, and I will admit, that my detestation of Clinton is so great, that at the onset of this 'Race For The White House', I preferred Trump.
I did so, because, I liked his 'aura' as a TV star, and somewhat grudgingly admired his ability to 'play' the 'corporate money game' and remain a billionaire despite being bankrupt several times - or some of his various companies were bankrupt, rather. This is how the super-rich are able to place themselves in a 'speculate and win/win, speculate and lose/win' position - because the system is designed to enable them to do just that.
Only poor people suffer if they fail at the fiscal game.
As time as elapsed though, I have seen Trump for what he is, and have lost any admiration I once held for him - both on a personal and professional level.
That said, I am still not moved to ever support Hilary Clinton, so I really do not care who wins the Presidency.
I hope that this clears this up Ammi, I love and respect you too much to ever let any difference of opinion affect our friendship - let alone any misinterpretation by either of us.
It's assault in any world, if he wants to be president he best get in the real world, not that that is in any way a prospect I would be happy to see.
the truth
09-10-2016, 04:44 PM
it was words he never actually did it, at least not in this instance and I hope not in others
kirklancaster
09-10-2016, 05:01 PM
[QUOTE=Kizzy;9006347]Hang on... young women who are exploited, harassed and assaulted in their careers that is their fault?
Yes, the TYPE of women whom I have identified THREE times now ARE culpable - IF they have allowed Trump or anyone else to do this because it suits their purpose.
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It matters not how old the clip is he has admitted they were his words nobody put them in his mouth thererfore voters have a choice whether or not to vote for someone who even at that time was no spring chicken, he was 50+!
I NEVER said that they were not Trumps words, or that someone had put them in his mouth.
I also never said anything about 'Voters choices' either.
So so once again you are 'popping up' to leap on a post of mine to deliberately MISREPRESENT what I have CLEARLY said.
I doubt 'most' men are that disrespectful, surely it is the circles you move in and the company you keep that determines the calibre of the conversation?
I don't CARE what YOU doubt.
I have boxed and 'Circuit Trained' since I was 8 years old, and for decades therefore, have been in a - predominantly 'Working Class' Men's Locker Room environment.
For years, I regularly played Squash Rackets at Linton Squash Club, so for years I have been in a - predominantly 'Middle to Upper Middle Class' Locker Room environment.
In addition being a red-blooded male, of DIFFERENT ages THROUGH the decades, I have often been in the company of other males of widely differing backgrounds.
And I can ASSURE you, that your barbed comment that; "surely it is the circles you move in and the company you keep that determines the calibre of the conversation?" - is a LOAD OF TOSH.
MALE SEXIST BANTER has NOTHING to do with 'class' or background. Nor is it to do with AGE or Decade.
MEN do talk lewdly about women when they are in all male company.
Just as I KNOW that a lot of females talk lewdly about men when they are in all female company.
Not ALL males ALL the time, but unless you have led a very sheltered life, have a very poor grip on the realities of life, or are just seizing an opportunity to 'have a go', then I will educate you.
kirklancaster
09-10-2016, 05:03 PM
I am convinced I just wrote and posted a long response to this! :umm2:
Anyway, err, to now paraphrase the whole thing:
- Not all guys "talk like that" in peer pressure situations. Most YOUNG guys do, but the half decent ones grow out of it by their early 20's.
- I find it irksome that it's being suggested that "all males" are like this because it's flat out bull****.
- His (apparent) "status" is not any sort of excuse, there are plenty of far more successful / famous men than Trump who are not anything like Trump.
- I agree that Hilldawg is a bad candidate too, but she is oldschool bad American politics who will change very little.
- I get that people want "change" and to "rock the boat" of politics.
- I disagree that this should be "by any means necessary"; as I said I think Hillary will be an inconsequential president and the US can afford to seek change from the political status quo at a later date, when a truly good option is available. The idea seems to be "yeah vote Trump coz he's new and different!". Urr. If you don't like your life, cutting off your hands would make for a new and different one, too. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
You have such a vastly greater life experience, I will defer to you.
He's pretty much already shown himself to be all these things this video has proven. What's sad is our politics are in such a state of madness that we even needed this proof to feel objective and healthy enough (aka sane enough) to say he is what he says he is...
I've also noticed that many people in the US public are under the misguided illusion that Donald Trump is actually addressing them (or anyone else) when he speaks to rallies/on television. Except he's addressing Donald Trump (his ego), not the rest of society. Listen to his responses and observe his actions. He's not even remotely aware of you and I as much as he's playing a role in a movie or TV show. Sadly, that's also why some people believe he's only acting and he really doesn't mean those things the way they really appear... just playing to the crowd. :shrug: Right.
The proof has been there all along anytime anyone in the media or people response critically. He usually comes out back some strange response or his answer only works according to some weird logic from an alternative reality that really only exists for Donald Trump. He is not sharing the same thought space much less the same reality as the rest of America... though I now question now if even the same country.
This video is vile and Donald Trump is vile. However, that has been the case since...forever. My most recent memory of him pre-election was his Twitter war with the T-mobile USA CEO (which was epic) when he talked about running for president that pretty much told me everything I needed to know about him. He lives in an alternate reality that is only a reality when there are enough sycophants around to support his reality and wild theories. Evidenced by the amount of retweets, Twitter followers and trolls who would supported him. Outside of that, he has isolated himself from the rest of reality.
Too many people vote for these candidates believing they and these people are so alike, they are their best friend... Conversely, people think they or someone who has a high number of Twitter followers are a somebody and rule the world... therefore they must know so much more than the rest of us... I beg to differ. NPD aka Narcissistic Personality Disorder is seriously real disease and Donald Trump is a great example of the negative, sometimes devastating, impact it can have on other people's lives is not to be joked about.
It was only a matter of a time given the worst narcissists usually dig themselves a grave when the amount of opposition outgrows their ability to backtrack, deflect or otherwise redefine their reality to something other than it really is.
We need to worry though when the sycophants/enthusiastic followers start to outnumber the rest of us logical and otherwise, well-reasoned individuals. As long as that isn't the case, popular culture will be on it's way out and we will have to redefine what it is to be the US. Otherwise, we may be in for more trouble.
Didn't we have an example in a recent BB where Cristian and Danny were being incredibly derogatory talking about the women in the house? It's not nice, but its not an exception either, it does happen a lot in male conversation.
If this is the best they can come up with against him, have you ever thought he might not be as bad as he's being made out?
Whatever happened to the Hillary for prison? It's gone quiet on that front.
user104658
09-10-2016, 08:43 PM
You have such a vastly greater life experience, I will defer to you.
Excellent. :hee:
kirklancaster
09-10-2016, 08:45 PM
Excellent. :hee:
:laugh:
Mitchell
09-10-2016, 08:49 PM
Nope, but Hillary got cheated on, so its fine obviously.
user104658
09-10-2016, 09:03 PM
Nope, but Hillary got cheated on, so its fine obviously.
I don't even think she was "cheated on" tbqfh, the Clintons have and have always had a "power marriage" based on a hell of a lot more than just sex. Frankly, she probably knew fine well that he was getting "sneaky" BJ's at work, and not only would I imagine she "tolerated it", I'd go as far as to say there's a good chance they talked about his exploits quite openly :shrug:. However, I would imagine part of this would have been a frequent reminder of "FFS Bill, make sure the press don't find out!" and then a stern talking to when they did. She would obviously have to pretend to be "shocked and horrified" and to "forgive him", when the reality is, I doubt either of them considered the encounters he was having to be much more than "advanced masturbation".
kirklancaster
10-10-2016, 07:30 AM
I don't even think she was "cheated on" tbqfh, the Clintons have and have always had a "power marriage" based on a hell of a lot more than just sex. Frankly, she probably knew fine well that he was getting "sneaky" BJ's at work, and not only would I imagine she "tolerated it", I'd go as far as to say there's a good chance they talked about his exploits quite openly :shrug:. However, I would imagine part of this would have been a frequent reminder of "FFS Bill, make sure the press don't find out!" and then a stern talking to when they did. She would obviously have to pretend to be "shocked and horrified" and to "forgive him", when the reality is, I doubt either of them considered the encounters he was having to be much more than "advanced masturbation".
I have always actually thought this too T.S. Bill has been just too much of a 'serial womaniser' and cheat for Hilary NOT to have known AND sanctioned it, and I think that she really WOULD have added some sort of 'caveat' such as "just make sure you are discreet and the press don't get hold of this Bill"
I think their relationship must be one of 'compulsive indiscretion' and 'futile acceptance' - much like Tom Jones's longstanding 'marriage'.
Would not do for me.
I have always actually thought this too T.S. Bill has been just too much of a 'serial womaniser' and cheat for Hilary NOT to have known AND sanctioned it, and I think that she really WOULD have added some sort of 'caveat' such as "just make sure you are discreet and the press don't get hold of this Bill"
I think their relationship must be one of 'compulsive indiscretion' and 'futile acceptance' - much like Tom Jones's longstanding 'marriage'.
Would not do for me.
..this makes me think of the harshness and coldness of Hilary that I've always felt even when she's said all of the right things...one of the things that I've loved is Barack and Michelle's relationship and that obvious adoration for each other..:lovedup:...I've never felt that with Hilary and Bill...
Lets face it Hillary is not what one can describe as a gentle soul. Most women would have taken their husband to the cleaners if they behaved as he did, and on top of that she is a lawyer too. She should have torn him apart, and there is only one reason she didn't, she wanted to leverage Bill's popularity and influence and that is exactly what she is done, and why she is now standing for president. Trump is a buffoon, he isn't a very nice guy, but he is not even close to Hillary on the nasty scale.
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 11:06 AM
Lets face it Hillary is not what one can describe as a gentle soul. Most women would have taken their husband to the cleaners if they behaved as he did, and on top of that she is a lawyer too. She should have torn him apart, and there is only one reason she didn't, she wanted to leverage Bill's popularity and influence and that is exactly what she is done, and why she is now standing for president. Trump is a buffoon, he isn't a very nice guy, but he is not even close to Hillary on the nasty scale.
Not that I like the woman (because I don't really) but her staying with Bill for her own reasons doesn't make her a terrible person, it's not like taking him to the cleaners would have made her more honourable :laugh: Maybe they had an open relationship or a relationship of convenience, that alone doesn't make her a nasty person. It wouldn't be for me but each to their own imo
Northern Monkey
10-10-2016, 11:11 AM
Not that I like the woman (because I don't really) but her staying with Bill for her own reasons doesn't make her a terrible person, it's not like taking him to the cleaners would have made her more honourable :laugh: Maybe they had an open relationship or a relationship of convenience, that alone doesn't make her a nasty person. It wouldn't be for me but each to their own imoI think it's fairly obvious that she's always had her eye on the Whitehouse.I'd agree with Bots.
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 11:12 AM
I think it's fairly obvious that she's always had her eye on the Whitehouse.I'd agree with Bots.
So what though?
Northern Monkey
10-10-2016, 11:16 AM
So what though?
I dunno i'm just agreeing with Bots
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 11:16 AM
I dunno i'm just agreeing with Bots
OK :laugh:
So what though?
because she is a cold, calculating, nasty so and so. I'm not defending trump for one moment, but she gets way to easy a ride, she is truly awful too.
..I've often felt that Trump himself didn't expect to get this far and for it to be a real possibility and it's hard to know if he really wants it or not.. so it would be better for someone who did really want it and had been very focused on it.../better for a country I would have thought...
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 11:18 AM
because she is a cold, calculating, nasty so and so. I'm not defending trump for one moment, but she gets way to easy a ride, she is truly awful too.
Because Trump is so revolting and in your face about it probably. Shame Bernie didn't make it
because she is a cold, calculating, nasty so and so. I'm not defending trump for one moment, but she gets way to easy a ride, she is truly awful too.
...versus someone who brings intolerance and prejudices to the fore...a tough choice of voting there..(by the very nature of achieving that type of 'top job', I would have thought there would have had to be an element of calculating in all...)...politics is a nasty game...
Because Trump is revolting and in your face about it probably. Shame Bernie didn't make it
..maybe missing the cold and calculating factor...
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 11:25 AM
..maybe missing the cold and calculating factor...
although having said that Obama certainly didn't come across as cold or calculating, quite the opposite but maybe it's these changing times making people search for that in their leaders. I think that's what fear does to people :(
kirklancaster
10-10-2016, 11:32 AM
I dunno i'm just agreeing with Bots
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
..I've often felt that Trump himself didn't expect to get this far and for it to be a real possibility and it's hard to know if he really wants it or not.. so it would be better for someone who did really want it and had been very focused on it.../better for a country I would have thought...
that perception has a lot to do with the way the media are portraying him. Someone that isn't part of the establishment and would therefore be useless. The bias toward Hillary in both these debates has been shocking, i think that's why Trump retains his support. They want to give the establishment a bloody nose. Its not about the details, its about protesting against the machine.
kirklancaster
10-10-2016, 11:36 AM
that perception has a lot to do with the way the media are portraying him. Someone that isn't part of the establishment and would therefore be useless. The bias toward Hillary in both these debates has been shocking, i think that's why Trump retains his support. They want to give the establishment a bloody nose. Its not about the details, its about protesting against the machine.
In a nutshell BOTS, and the anti-Trump bias in those debates has been disgusting - and I'm not defending Trump either.
Johnnyuk123
10-10-2016, 11:39 AM
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In a nutshell BOTS, and the anti-Trump bias in those debates has been disgusting - and I'm not defending Trump either.
I actually want them to do more bias against Trump. Cos the more they do it the more votes he gets. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: People ain't stupid, they can see right through the clinton desperation tactics. She's spent millions slagging him off and still can't get clear in the polls. :joker::joker::joker:
One to ponder. If Hillary does win and carries on the way they have been for the next 4 or 8 years, not learning lessons from this election, what's going to happen then. They may be subjected to someone much worse than Trump, that will win. That's the likely scenario with this number of dissatisfied voters.
Crimson Dynamo
10-10-2016, 12:20 PM
women only put up with cheating for 2 reasons and they are often connected
power
money
kirklancaster
10-10-2016, 01:26 PM
women only put up with cheating for 2 reasons and they are often connected
power
money
I agree, but you missed one L.T. - when they are serial cheaters themselves.
This latter means that the reasons for marrying in the first place had nothing to do with Love, Respect, Care etc and a whole lot to do with the first two you list.
Which brings me neatly back to the type of women which I outlined as being the type to move in Trump's and and other 'High Profile (Thanks BOTS :laugh:) men's world, who gladly suffer being groped/sexually assaulted used/abused, because - in their calculating minds - it is acceptable and part of the price they are willing to pay to be moved closer to their objective of being elevated into that world.
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 01:31 PM
I agree, but you missed one L.T. - when they are serial cheaters themselves.
This latter means that the reasons for marrying in the first place had nothing to do with Love, Respect, Care etc and a whole lot to do with the first two you list.
Which brings me neatly back to the type of women which I outlined as being the type to move in Trump's and and other 'High Profile (Thanks BOTS :laugh:) men's world, who gladly suffer being groped/sexually assaulted used/abused, because - in their calculating minds - it is acceptable and part of the price they are willing to pay to be moved closer to their objective of being elevated into that world.
Like that woman who was actually the topic of conversation in that audio released? Oh no that's right she turned him down
kirklancaster
10-10-2016, 03:16 PM
Like that woman who was actually the topic of conversation in that audio released? Oh no that's right she turned him down
No Niamh - NOT like THAT woman at all, because she obviously does not belong to that category of women who I have been referring to.
Why do I feel that I am ever on the defensive here?
I have made my point very clear over several posts.
I am and have been, referring to a specific type of woman who has different moral values than other 'ordinary' women.
I am not defending Trump, merely trying to explain that in his world - a totally alien world to that inhabited by we 'ordinary' mortals - the type of woman exists who DO tolerate sexual behaviour from Rich, Powerful and Famous men which would send any 'ordinary' woman running.
And they 'tolerate' and accept such behaviour because, in their calculations, being subjected to such behaviour - being 'moved on' - is moving them closer to their objective of being elevated INTO that world of the Rich, Powerful, and Famous.
Some very famous actresses of the distant and not so distant past have accepted such behaviour from powerful Directors and Film Studio Moguls on the infamous 'Casting Couch', as a means of 'making it to the top of the movie world', and there was no shortage of young women - some stunningly beautiful and intelligent - who lived within the Playboy Mansion, who were quite willing to answer Hugh Hefner's summons at any time of night and day.
Hugh Hefner! A revolting grey corpse of a man who made my skin crawl just looking at him.
And then there are the superficially 'glamorous barflies who allow themselves to be passed from footballer to footballer because they think it will elevate themselves into the glamorous life of the pro footballer's WAG.
These women do not frequent the local Working Men's Clubs or ordinary pubs and clubs of their native towns and cities - they MOVE to the places where the Rich, Powerful and Famous can be found.
I'm sorry, but in my opinion, such women are as equally culpable as the Trumps out there, because they are empowering them and enabling them to indulge in their sexist behaviour.
In these circumstances, 'sexploitation' is a 'two way street', because these women are really exploiting the sexual tendencies of such men, just as surely as those men are exploiting them.
Of course, there will be times when Trump gets reversals - when he sexually assaults a woman who does NOT belong in the category which I am referring to, and it is then that such women should make a formal complaint to the police.
Johnnyuk123
10-10-2016, 03:25 PM
I'm with Kirk on this one 100%
I am fed up of these wag wannabee types of women who throw themselves at me trying to sexploit me just because I have a few quid in my back pocket. :nono:
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 03:26 PM
No Niamh - NOT like THAT woman at all, because she obviously does not belong to that category of women who I have been referring to.
Why do I feel that I am ever on the defensive here?
I have made my point very clear over several posts.
I am and have been, referring to a specific type of woman who has different moral values than other 'ordinary' women.
I am not defending Trump, merely trying to explain that in his world - a totally alien world to that inhabited by we 'ordinary' mortals - the type of woman exists who DO tolerate sexual behaviour from Rich, Powerful and Famous men which would send any 'ordinary' woman running.
And they 'tolerate' and accept such behaviour because, in their calculations, being subjected to such behaviour - being 'moved on' - is moving them closer to their objective of being elevated INTO that world of the Rich, Powerful, and Famous.
Some very famous actresses of the distant and not so distant past have accepted such behaviour from powerful Directors and Film Studio Moguls on the infamous 'Casting Couch', as a means of 'making it to the top of the movie world', and there was no shortage of young women - some stunningly beautiful and intelligent - who lived within the Playboy Mansion, who were quite willing to answer Hugh Hefner's summons at any time of night and day.
Hugh Hefner! A revolting grey corpse of a man who made my skin crawl just looking at him.
And then there are the superficially 'glamorous barflies who allow themselves to be passed from footballer to footballer because they think it will elevate themselves into the glamorous life of the pro footballer's WAG.
These women do not frequent the local Working Men's Clubs or ordinary pubs and clubs of their native towns and cities - they MOVE to the places where the Rich, Powerful and Famous can be found.
I'm sorry, but in my opinion, such women are as equally culpable as the Trumps out there, because they are empowering them and enabling them to indulge in their sexist behaviour.
In these circumstances, 'sexploitation' is a 'two way street', because these women are really exploiting the sexual tendencies of such men, just as surely as those men are exploiting them.
Of course, there will be times when Trump gets reversals - when he sexually assaults a woman who does NOT belong in the category which I am referring to, and it is then that such women should make a formal complaint to the police.
I'm sorry Kirk but it does sound like you're making excuses for him just because "some" women accept his lecherous advances doesn't entitle him to test it out on any woman he comes across..whether they report him to the police or not, he's a scumbag
Johnnyuk123
10-10-2016, 03:31 PM
I'm sorry Kirk but it does sound like you're making excuses for him just because "some" women accept his lecherous advances doesn't entitle him to test it out on any woman he comes across..whether they report him to the police or not, he's a scumbag
If you read Kirk's post you will clearly see that he states... I am NOT defending Trump. :shrug:
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 03:33 PM
If you read Kirk's post you will clearly see that he states... I am NOT defending Trump. :shrug:
I did read his post, thanks for your input Johnny but I'm sure Kirk can speak for himself
kirklancaster
10-10-2016, 03:38 PM
I'm sorry Kirk but it does sound like you're making excuses for him just because "some" women accept his lecherous advances doesn't entitle him to test it out on any woman he comes across..whether they report him to the police or not, he's a scumbag
I assure you that I'm not excusing him Niamh - I went off Trump a long time ago, and I agree that he is revolting.
Nothing is as Black and White to me as it appears to be to most others on here.
I do not like Jeremy Corbyn, but I see certain qualities in him which I have to admit.
I am not attached to any Political Party, so I see some good points in Tory, Labour and UKIP Manifestos, and see some good politicians within each party.
Whereas, there are a number of people on TIBB who - because they dislike a Politician, or a Political Party, or A TV Star, or Donald Trump or Nigel Farage - cannot see, or will not admit to seeing - ANY good at all in the aforementioned.
Hilary Clinton is repulsive to me. Donald Trump is repulsive to me, but if I RECOGNISE some truth i what they happen to claim, then I will address it.
By addressing the fact that some women who Trump may have encountered may be a type which I recognise, I am not legitimising any sexist conduct or leanings on the part of Trump.
I'm sorry if - despite my constant explanatory posts - you still feel that I am excusing Trump, or condoning his behaviour, because I'm not.
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 03:43 PM
I assure you that I'm not excusing him Niamh - I went off Trump a long time ago, and I agree that he is revolting.
Nothing is as Black and White to me as it appears to be to most others on here.
I do not like Jeremy Corbyn, but I see certain qualities in him which I have to admit.
I am not attached to any Political Party, so I see some good points in Tory, Labour and UKIP Manifestos, and see some good politicians within each party.
Whereas, there are a number of people on TIBB who - because they dislike a Politician, or a Political Party, or A TV Star, or Donald Trump or Nigel Farage - cannot see, or will not admit to seeing - ANY good at all in the aforementioned.
Hilary Clinton is repulsive to me. Donald Trump is repulsive to me, but if I RECOGNISE some truth i what they happen to claim, then I will address it.
By addressing the fact that some women who Trump may have encountered may be a type which I recognise, I am not legitimising any sexist conduct or leanings on the part of Trump.
I'm sorry if - despite my constant explanatory posts - you still feel that I am excusing Trump, or condoning his behaviour, because I'm not.
Maybe it's because I'm a woman myself but hearing that audio and other comments he's made about women make him totally revolting and un suitable for the type of job he's going for.
It seems different to me with Donald, like with most Politicians you can see a good side and a bad side to them, with Donald Trump all i can see is a chauvinistic, racist and there's no way passed that for me
Jack_
10-10-2016, 03:56 PM
I don't think this is akin to 'locker room banter' at all, personally. Well, perhaps some of it is - and no there isn't a problem with groups of men (or women, for that matter) talking explicitly about others in private, but some of the remarks he makes in this video go way beyond that.
He has basically admitted to sexually assaulting women, and believing that he can (and does) get away with it because of his wealth and status. Sure, there are always going to be both women and men who succumb to such things in their quest for capital or power, that's par for the course - but it's also important to acknowledge that a lot of these people are being exploited in the process. It works both ways, Trump and other people of a similar status use and abuse others because they've inherited a sense of authority that they believe put them beyond the law and the boundaries of acceptable conduct. Many of these women will be in positions where they don't speak out or feel scared to purely because of who they're dealing with - I mean you only have to look at the abuse uncovered by Yewtree to see that in action. People don't speak up because they feel like they won't be listened to or won't be believed. It's just another toxic attitude that comes with extraordinary wealth, as if we needed another reason to oppose such a thing :rolleyes:
It's also worth pointing out that not all men (and not all women) engage in discussions like this. What an outdated notion :unsure:
Jack_
10-10-2016, 03:59 PM
Oh and can I just say to those who were enquiring how this was 'relevant' or 'news', that I think you'll find it is given how much coverage it's garnered :rolleyes: I saw it was gaining traction so thought I'd share it, don't shoot the messenger
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 03:59 PM
I don't think this is akin to 'locker room banter' at all, personally. Well, perhaps some of it is - and no there isn't a problem with groups of men (or women, for that matter) talking explicitly about others in private, but some of the remarks he makes in this video go way beyond that.
He has basically admitted to sexually assaulting women, and believing that he can (and does) get away with it because of his wealth and status. Sure, there are always going to be both women and men who succumb to such things in their quest for capital or power, that's par for the course - but it's also important to acknowledge that a lot of these people are being exploited in the process. It works both ways, Trump and other people of a similar status use and abuse others because they've inherited a sense of authority that they believe put them beyond the law and the boundaries of acceptable conduct. Many of these women will be in positions where they don't speak out or feel scared to purely because of who they're dealing with - I mean you only have to look at the abuse uncovered by Yewtree to see that in action. People don't speak up because they feel like they won't be listened to or won't be believed. It's just another toxic attitude that comes with extraordinary wealth, as if we needed another reason to oppose such a thing :rolleyes:
It's also worth pointing out that not all men (and not all women) engage in discussions like this. What an outdated notion :unsure:
Brilliant post Jack
There is no doubt that Trump is a disgusting man, but its a coming together of fates that have given him any chance at winning.
Bill Clinton is the most recent president to be in a sexual scandal, he was impeached .... he did dreadful things abusing his power, and he left office with a 70% approval rating, the highest rating of any modern day president.
So, for his wife to say that makes Trump unfit for office is a bit off, given she supported her husband through worse during his time in office.
Also, if Bill had a 70% approval rating, the american people clearly weren't that bothered by it either. So, ridiculous it may be, but given the circumstances, and who he is in competition with validates his bid for the presidency. If it had been any other candidate he was up against, he would already have lost.
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 04:18 PM
There is no doubt that Trump is a disgusting man, but its a coming together of fates that have given him any chance at winning.
Bill Clinton is the most recent president to be in a sexual scandal, he was impeached .... he did dreadful things abusing his power, and he left office with a 70% approval rating, the highest rating of any modern day president.
So, for his wife to say that makes Trump unfit for office is a bit off, given she supported her husband through worse during his time in office.
Also, if Bill had a 70% approval rating, the american people clearly weren't that bothered by it either. So, ridiculous it may be, but given the circumstances, and who he is in competition with validates his bid for the presidency. If it had been any other candidate he was up against, he would already have lost.
There is a difference with having an affair though and saying that you can and do grab womens p***ys and get away with it because you're a "star"
There is a difference with having an affair though and saying that you can and do grab womens p***ys and get away with it because you're a "star"
it was a lot more than an affair though, there were a string of women, he abused his power, he lied under oath to the american people ..... couldn't make it up
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 04:23 PM
it was a lot more than an affair though, there were a string of women, he abused his power, he lied under oath to the american people ..... couldn't make it up
I miss Obama
the truth
10-10-2016, 04:30 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a woman myself but hearing that audio and other comments he's made about women make him totally revolting and un suitable for the type of job he's going for.
It seems different to me with Donald, like with most Politicians you can see a good side and a bad side to them, with Donald Trump all i can see is a chauvinistic, racist and there's no way passed that for me
Have you ever witnessed groups of women talking about sex? loud lewd women disgusting all the most intimate details about what they like to do to men? Have you ever witnessed women at clubs to see male strippers? have you seen how they behave? the only difference is men never complain.
the truth
10-10-2016, 04:31 PM
There is a difference with having an affair though and saying that you can and do grab womens p***ys and get away with it because you're a "star"
trump just said it, clinton did it
it was a lot more than an affair though, there were a string of women, he abused his power, he lied under oath to the american people ..... couldn't make it up
....no one knew that Bill would though when he was elected, people do abuse their power in positions but these things are not generally known in their character until they're in that position...what Trump is saying and thinks is amusing is sexual assault of females...and it's something that is known about him before he's 'got the job' and unfathomable that he could ever be a candidate...some school workers abuse their position but it's not known beforehand that they would...would we employ them or think it's ok to employ them if they had said inappropriate and worrying things before they had their positions...would we think that was ok, that they had been put in positions of trust and power..?...if someone was joining the police force but had shown aggression and prejudice against race...would he still be employed in the police force where they could abuse their positions..?....would we think that was ok...?...we know this about Trump so the thought of him still being elected in knowing this is just the dumbest, imaginable thing ..
trump just said it, clinton did it
...so it's best that it doesn't happen again then with someone who says it's what he does before he's got the job...
Have you ever witnessed groups of women talking about sex? loud lewd women disgusting all the most intimate details about what they like to do to men? Have you ever witnessed women at clubs to see male strippers? have you seen how they behave? the only difference is men never complain.
..and there are equally many, many females who don't, please don't generalise ...and many, many males who don't see the 'joke' in sexual assault on females and would never think that what he said was ok in any way whatsoever...
....no one knew that Bill would though when he was elected, people do abuse their power in positions but these things are not generally known in their character until they're in that position...what Trump is saying and thinks is amusing is sexual assault of females...and it's something that is known about him before he's 'got the job' and unfathomable that he could ever be a candidate...some school workers abuse their position but it's not known beforehand that they would...would we employ them or think it's ok to employ them if they had said inappropriate and worrying things before they had their positions...would we think that was ok, that they had been put in positions of trust and power..?...if someone was joining the police force but had shown aggression and prejudice against race...would he still be employed in the police force where they could abuse their positions..?....would we think that was ok...?...we know this about Trump so the thought of him still being elected in knowing this is just the dumbest, imaginable thing ..
I think its obscene that Trump could be president. I also think its obscene that Hilary could be too. I'm not a judge of what is the worst "crime", i just know that both are not acceptable in a modern, forward thinking country that is supposed to be leading the world by example.
the truth
10-10-2016, 05:12 PM
..and there are equally many, many females who don't, please don't generalise ...and many, many males who don't see the 'joke' in sexual assault on females and would never think that what he said was ok in any way whatsoever...
I didnt generalise , pls dont preach and pls dont deliberately mis read misinterpret and misrepresent posts....the point is loads of women behave like this, but escape criticism that is always thrown at men. Its yet more politically correct double standards. loose women preaching today, yet they and several other female dominated feminist shows laughed cheered and mocked when a man had his scrotum sliced off, nice. yet again they escaped punishment.
Niamh.
10-10-2016, 06:22 PM
...so it's best that it doesn't happen again then with someone who says it's what he does before he's got the job...
..and there are equally many, many females who don't, please don't generalise ...and many, many males who don't see the 'joke' in sexual assault on females and would never think that what he said was ok in any way whatsoever...
Exactly Ammi
GiRTh
10-10-2016, 08:47 PM
Donald Trump called Paula Jones a “loser” in 1998 (http://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13221678/donald-trump-paula-jones-loser)
Trump commenting on Paula Jones in 1998 calling her a loser yet yesterday he called her, and the other three women, 'brave' when he paraded them just before the debate. Maybe he's had a change of heart but maybe he hasn't. :shrug:
In another back in 1998 interview he calls all the Clinton accusers a bunch of 'unattractive women' but yesterday he had clearly changed his mind and called them all, again, 'brave'.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/02/donald-trump-in-1998-bill-clinton-is-a-victim-of-unattractive-women.html
Kizzy
10-10-2016, 09:20 PM
Hang on... young women who are exploited, harassed and assaulted in their careers that is their fault?
1. Yes, the TYPE of women whom I have identified THREE times now ARE culpable - IF they have allowed Trump or anyone else to do this because it suits their purpose.
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It matters not how old the clip is he has admitted they were his words nobody put them in his mouth thererfore voters have a choice whether or not to vote for someone who even at that time was no spring chicken, he was 50+!
2. I NEVER said that they were not Trumps words, or that someone had put them in his mouth.
I also never said anything about 'Voters choices' either.
So so once again you are 'popping up' to leap on a post of mine to deliberately MISREPRESENT what I have CLEARLY said.
I doubt 'most' men are that disrespectful, surely it is the circles you move in and the company you keep that determines the calibre of the conversation?
3. I don't CARE what YOU doubt.
I have boxed and 'Circuit Trained' since I was 8 years old, and for decades therefore, have been in a - predominantly 'Working Class' Men's Locker Room environment.
For years, I regularly played Squash Rackets at Linton Squash Club, so for years I have been in a - predominantly 'Middle to Upper Middle Class' Locker Room environment.
In addition being a red-blooded male, of DIFFERENT ages THROUGH the decades, I have often been in the company of other males of widely differing backgrounds.
And I can ASSURE you, that your barbed comment that; "surely it is the circles you move in and the company you keep that determines the calibre of the conversation?" - is a LOAD OF TOSH.
MALE SEXIST BANTER has NOTHING to do with 'class' or background. Nor is it to do with AGE or Decade.
MEN do talk lewdly about women when they are in all male company.
Just as I KNOW that a lot of females talk lewdly about men when they are in all female company.
Not ALL males ALL the time, but unless you have led a very sheltered life, have a very poor grip on the realities of life, or are just seizing an opportunity to 'have a go', then I will educate you.
1. How is that relevant here? as said the woman subjected to his advances as explained in the taped conversation wasn't that 'type'. And as I have explained women harassed in their respective careers are not that type of woman either.
2. I didn't 'pop' anywhere, I replied to your comment is all. You inferred that the host encouraged the conversation, I disagreed that's not misrepresentation.
3. You might not care but I'll respond anyway, my comments are not in any way barbed. All I see is excuses after excuses for what you term yourself as sexist banter.
I agree that it matters not what background you come from if you enjoy base, degrading misogynistic conversations then you seek out same... I have not led a sheltered life far from it which is why I can express this view with confidence.
This is me having my say on the subject, not having a go this is a discussion forum.
(I have number my responses to your various points for your convenience.)
the truth
10-10-2016, 11:30 PM
The priorities of this debate and so many killay fans is mindboggling? This irrelevant drivel of trump talking nonsense to kill time in a bus, is seen as more important than discussing the 1 million dead iraqis in the illegal war hillary voted for?
Northern Monkey
10-10-2016, 11:33 PM
Lets face it.The type of women that have hung around Trump all his life are the type of women who will drop to their knees or drop their knickers at one sniff of a dollar bill.It's no wonder his view of women is the way it is.He's learned from first hand experience.It's just that not all women are like the sort he's used to and his view doesn't translate well outside his bubble.
Kizzy
11-10-2016, 12:02 AM
Lets face it.The type of women that have hung around Trump all his life are the type of women who will drop to their knees or drop their knickers at one sniff of a dollar bill.It's no wonder his view of women is the way it is.He's learned from first hand experience.It's just that not all women are like the sort he's used to and his view doesn't translate well outside his bubble.
What like his mum, aunties, teachers, neighbours, shop assistants and friends?
Are you suggesting this man has never been capable of a normal relationship with a woman?.... Poor guy, he truly needs help then.
Kizzy
11-10-2016, 01:06 AM
Donald Trump may think that bragging about sexual assault is “locker room talk,” but professional athletes across the country beg to differ.
During Sunday night’s presidential debate, Trump was sharply criticized for a leaked video from 2005 in which he boasts about hitting on a married woman “like a bitch” and grabbing women “by the pussy.”
“It’s locker room talk, and it’s one of those things,” the GOP nominee said of the statements.
LA Clippers coach and former NBA point guard Doc Rivers said that if Trump thinks his comments constitute locker room talk, “that’s a new locker room for me.”
Several other current and former sports stars weighed in to say that people don’t actually talk like Trump in locker rooms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pro-athletes-trump-locker-room-talk_us_57fb8fb3e4b0b6a43033cd01
the truth
11-10-2016, 03:45 AM
in all my years working Ive never heard any men talk like that about women, EVER
I have however heard many women speak lewdly and crudely about men. Not quite as far as trump went though.
..males and females can have crude conversations but this isn't about a crude conversation..it's about someone saying that sexual assault is something that they do because of their position and their opportunities..their 'star'...that shouldn't be a gender thing/sexual assault shouldn't be a gender thing and should be a human being thing...and what he said should be deeply worrying, whatever the gender we are...any sexual or intimate physical contact should always be of consent....and he doesn't wait, he grabs because he's Donald Trump...
..Jack's already spoken about those who feel that they're above the law in their actions and the damage there on victims..that they don't feel that they can speak out...I mean the power that the White House could bring to bear on those who did..but it's also so worrying for those who are wrongly accused as well, when there has been consent but then the 'star' has been exploited for gain...just the accusations alone devastate lives...these words of Donald Trump just feed into that as well...this is not just crude banter type stuff, this is very, very damaging on many levels...and very worrying whatever the gender....
People come in all shapes, sizes and forms which varying degrees of sensitivity regarding “lewd” conversations. That being the case, if Trump were lead to the nation, I still feel it would be a blazing step forward for some form of new age chauvinism aka modern pseudo intellectual bull**** version(s) of sexism... among other issues of bigotry.
I don't know which channel this was on (maybe ABC), but post-debate someone in a media round table said, and I'll paraphase, that sexual harassment used to be dismissed as "locker room" chatter back in the olden day but instead, thankfully, the average American no longer believes that this is just locker room chatter and instead views it as a sexual harassment and abhorrent behavior.
This in my own experience as well.
I had a friend who I knew since middle school with whom I ended a 13 year friendship over just this issue. I had a friend who plastered his Facebook/Twitter feeds with the sort of **** that Trump is now quoted saying. The last straw for me was my friend told me that he was fine being a cheater. Despite treating his wife like crap because of her perceivable bad attitude, if she were to cheat, he would throw her clothes out on the lawn and make her feel like total garbage despite his own flaws and poor judgement. We were in a bar and after I clarified his actual beliefs with him, I walked out. Aside from a text every few years, we never met or spoke again.
There was no doubt in my mind that I only knew the tip of the iceberg with regards to my friend’s sexism but I'm sure I could've prodded him more details... my experiences with anyone who is actually this sexist is that they are usually overtly so (such as Trump)... they don't go through great pains to hide it and often happy to let everyone know the “wisdom” of their ways. He and Trump were similar in that he would broadcast it to the world as some form of "real talk"... he being the one man and most honest person I'd ever know because he was exposing the truth... etc... it was intellectual masturbation used to cover up bigotry caused his issues with women and other bitter ugliness. They, like others, were "problems"... they needed to change for this country and his life to become better. It was a not so subtle way of avoiding looking at his own flaws, his own intolerance, as a big source of his dysfunctional relationships... such as not being able to get along with his wife and feeling like he couldn’t depend on anyone (he had to demand or guilt them to do what he wanted)... if he treated them like equals, then he’d be a “pussy”.
I asked my husband today, and sometimes recently, about the men at his job and in his circles since he works a testosterone-y job as a law enforcement officer. Banter is very common where he works and among his friends, but it’s stuff along the lines of women/wives nagging, women being moody (aka bitchY0, usual banter about women's behavior not making sense... as far as the treatment of women, he did say that a few officers are very open about being players, not really the monogamist type, only playing the game for sex, etc... or "I'd hit that" "I'd like a piece of that" (among single friends)... other things we'd easily see on TiBB... but nothing that would describe the ease of forcing upon others. Maybe the boundaries are different in Trump’s world, but not many of us can visit the Playboy Mansion with lots of cash so I’m afraid we may see it differently… :laugh:
He did say however he has heard that sort of vulgarity frequently from his inmates though..."That bitch better have moneh" "That's mah side bitch" "Bitch does mah laundry"... other violent stuff that are harder to quote.
We have a lot of guys over too from his job when we play table top games and we pride ourselves on the types of crude conversations in our household. My current character is a male sexist Dwarf who plays a macho-y perv to my husband's character who just happens to be female :laugh:. We like to push the boundaries with some of our pranks but nothing that goes to the level of anything we'd actually do in real life and certainly to describe it in the way it is mentioned in Trump's video would make the table really uncomfortable. For us, it's just silly background stories (and banter) that make it easier for us to keep to a storyline (and our character's physical/mental/emotional capabilities.
Anyway, maybe these lines are more easily crossed in the UK with the open borders and variety of cultures, but in the US the line between banter and sexual harassment are fairly clear. If it's discussed Trump’s way, it's going to be with a limited group, because most people are very sensitive to these types of discussions since the status quo has shifted so far away from what used to be comfortably discussed. In my own experiences, "locker room chat" the way Trump terms it is a thing of the past and is the exact kind of gossip that would spread between friends (male or female) to warn others to ward off "the creep". It's just not something that is acceptable in 2016 and is something that would be considered a red flag in many circles.
Sorry, my posts are long again.
kirklancaster
11-10-2016, 07:33 AM
Donald Trump may think that bragging about sexual assault is “locker room talk,” but professional athletes across the country beg to differ.
During Sunday night’s presidential debate, Trump was sharply criticized for a leaked video from 2005 in which he boasts about hitting on a married woman “like a bitch” and grabbing women “by the pussy.”
“It’s locker room talk, and it’s one of those things,” the GOP nominee said of the statements.
LA Clippers coach and former NBA point guard Doc Rivers said that if Trump thinks his comments constitute locker room talk, “that’s a new locker room for me.”
Several other current and former sports stars weighed in to say that people don’t actually talk like Trump in locker rooms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pro-athletes-trump-locker-room-talk_us_57fb8fb3e4b0b6a43033cd01
YOU are one of THE main members on here who have consistently sneered at quotes from The Daily Mail and other media when those quotes have been used to underscore and substantiate certain posts which may have run counter to your own very fixed ideologies, because you claimed that such reportage is worthless because the DM or other media source is blatantly 'Right Wing' and not to be trusted.
Yet - typically for you - you have no such problem using reportage from the blatantly anti-Trump Huffington Post as 'corroboration' for your non-argument.
Not only that, but the sentiments and comments of some of the 'tweeters' quoted leave no doubt at all that they too are staunchly anti-Trump.
Seriously, what kind of purpose does it fulfill, to quote a fiercely anti-Trump newspaper which is using quotes from anti-Trump 'tweeters' in any argument against Trump?
As if any more evidence is needed that the above is totally worthless as evidence in any serious debate, one only has to take the most cursory of glances at the Huffington Post's own editor's footnote:
"Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S."
Just to save any misinterpretation or misunderstandings, I will stress here, once again, that I am NOT defending Donald Trump - this post is solely about the now much discussed/debated side issue of what constitutes 'Locker Room' banter, and indeed, whether such a thing still exists.
I maintain - from decades of my OWN direct, personal experiences in a wide range of situations when I have been in all male company, including hundreds of 'Locker Rooms' - that some men STILL talk disrespectfully in a sexist manner about women when they are in all male company.
kirklancaster
11-10-2016, 07:49 AM
..males and females can have crude conversations but this isn't about a crude conversation..it's about someone saying that sexual assault is something that they do because of their position and their opportunities..their 'star'...that shouldn't be a gender thing/sexual assault shouldn't be a gender thing and should be a human being thing...and what he said should be deeply worrying, whatever the gender we are...any sexual or intimate physical contact should always be of consent....and he doesn't wait, he grabs because he's Donald Trump...
..Jack's already spoken about those who feel that they're above the law in their actions and the damage there on victims..that they don't feel that they can speak out...I mean the power that the White House could bring to bear on those who did..but it's also so worrying for those who are wrongly accused as well, when there has been consent but then the 'star' has been exploited for gain...just the accusations alone devastate lives...these words of Donald Trump just feed into that as well...this is not just crude banter type stuff, this is very, very damaging on many levels...and very worrying whatever the gender....
Another great post Ammi.
I agree with you that Jack has a very valid and important point about Trump's sexual harassment of some unconsenting women which I admit I overlooked in my earlier posts; that they may be too intimidated - for various reasons - to formally complain.
I do also agree with your last paragraph, because there is always a real danger with rich 'Stars/Celebrities facing any type of'historic' sexual abuse allegations, that some opportunists will crawl out of the woodwork with fabricated claims in the hope of achieving money or fame as a result.
I think with Trump, the evidence now that he is an arrogant, sexist pig with a tendency towards sexual assault is overwhelming, and that his comments within that 'bus revelation with Billy Bush' must be re-evaluated by those of us who did believe it to be mere 'Locker Room' type banter and boasting - no matter how extreme a form.
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 09:10 AM
People come in all shapes, sizes and forms which varying degrees of sensitivity regarding “lewd” conversations. That being the case, if Trump were lead to the nation, I still feel it would be a blazing step forward for some form of new age chauvinism aka modern pseudo intellectual bull**** version(s) of sexism... among other issues of bigotry.
I don't know which channel this was on (maybe ABC), but post-debate someone in a media round table said, and I'll paraphase, that sexual harassment used to be dismissed as "locker room" chatter back in the olden day but instead, thankfully, the average American no longer believes that this is just locker room chatter and instead views it as a sexual harassment and abhorrent behavior.
This in my own experience as well.
I had a friend who I knew since middle school with whom I ended a 13 year friendship over just this issue. I had a friend who plastered his Facebook/Twitter feeds with the sort of **** that Trump is now quoted saying. The last straw for me was my friend told me that he was fine being a cheater. Despite treating his wife like crap because of her perceivable bad attitude, if she were to cheat, he would throw her clothes out on the lawn and make her feel like total garbage despite his own flaws and poor judgement. We were in a bar and after I clarified his actual beliefs with him, I walked out. Aside from a text every few years, we never met or spoke again.
There was no doubt in my mind that I only knew the tip of the iceberg with regards to my friend’s sexism but I'm sure I could've prodded him more details... my experiences with anyone who is actually this sexist is that they are usually overtly so (such as Trump)... they don't go through great pains to hide it and often happy to let everyone know the “wisdom” of their ways. He and Trump were similar in that he would broadcast it to the world as some form of "real talk"... he being the one man and most honest person I'd ever know because he was exposing the truth... etc... it was intellectual masturbation used to cover up bigotry caused his issues with women and other bitter ugliness. They, like others, were "problems"... they needed to change for this country and his life to become better. It was a not so subtle way of avoiding looking at his own flaws, his own intolerance, as a big source of his dysfunctional relationships... such as not being able to get along with his wife and feeling like he couldn’t depend on anyone (he had to demand or guilt them to do what he wanted)... if he treated them like equals, then he’d be a “pussy”.
I asked my husband today, and sometimes recently, about the men at his job and in his circles since he works a testosterone-y job as a law enforcement officer. Banter is very common where he works and among his friends, but it’s stuff along the lines of women/wives nagging, women being moody (aka bitchY0, usual banter about women's behavior not making sense... as far as the treatment of women, he did say that a few officers are very open about being players, not really the monogamist type, only playing the game for sex, etc... or "I'd hit that" "I'd like a piece of that" (among single friends)... other things we'd easily see on TiBB... but nothing that would describe the ease of forcing upon others. Maybe the boundaries are different in Trump’s world, but not many of us can visit the Playboy Mansion with lots of cash so I’m afraid we may see it differently… :laugh:
He did say however he has heard that sort of vulgarity frequently from his inmates though..."That bitch better have moneh" "That's mah side bitch" "Bitch does mah laundry"... other violent stuff that are harder to quote.
We have a lot of guys over too from his job when we play table top games and we pride ourselves on the types of crude conversations in our household. My current character is a male sexist Dwarf who plays a macho-y perv to my husband's character who just happens to be female :laugh:. We like to push the boundaries with some of our pranks but nothing that goes to the level of anything we'd actually do in real life and certainly to describe it in the way it is mentioned in Trump's video would make the table really uncomfortable. For us, it's just silly background stories (and banter) that make it easier for us to keep to a storyline (and our character's physical/mental/emotional capabilities.
Anyway, maybe these lines are more easily crossed in the UK with the open borders and variety of cultures, but in the US the line between banter and sexual harassment are fairly clear. If it's discussed Trump’s way, it's going to be with a limited group, because most people are very sensitive to these types of discussions since the status quo has shifted so far away from what used to be comfortably discussed. In my own experiences, "locker room chat" the way Trump terms it is a thing of the past and is the exact kind of gossip that would spread between friends (male or female) to warn others to ward off "the creep". It's just not something that is acceptable in 2016 and is something that would be considered a red flag in many circles.
Sorry, my posts are long again.
Great post Maru, the bit I've bolded in particular is a worry and something I've been thinking too
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 09:27 AM
Donald Trump may think that bragging about sexual assault is “locker room talk,” but professional athletes across the country beg to differ.
During Sunday night’s presidential debate, Trump was sharply criticized for a leaked video from 2005 in which he boasts about hitting on a married woman “like a bitch” and grabbing women “by the pussy.”
“It’s locker room talk, and it’s one of those things,” the GOP nominee said of the statements.
LA Clippers coach and former NBA point guard Doc Rivers said that if Trump thinks his comments constitute locker room talk, “that’s a new locker room for me.”
Several other current and former sports stars weighed in to say that people don’t actually talk like Trump in locker rooms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pro-athletes-trump-locker-room-talk_us_57fb8fb3e4b0b6a43033cd01
So some journo called him and asked him if he ever talked like trump in the locker room and naturally he lied and said no
do you seriously think anyone would want to say yes and have their name and reputation trashed on the back of the Trump thing?
:joker:
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 09:31 AM
So some journo called him and asked him if he ever talked like trump in the locker room and naturally he lied and said no
do you seriously think anyone would want to say yes and have their name and reputation trashed on the back of the Trump thing?
:joker:
He lied and said no? So you're saying that all men when in locker rooms talk about how they grab womens pussys whenever they feel like it? That's ****ing vile and totally untrue
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 09:36 AM
He lied and said no? So you're saying that all men when in locker rooms talk about how they grab womens pussys whenever they feel like it? That's ****ing vile and totally untrue
No not that specifically but I would say that they indulge in what would be seen as sexist language about women
Its all about where you are and who you are with how you speak
You speak differently to close friends alone than you would say at work, differently to your parents or to a neighbour. We are all many different people depending on where you are
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 09:38 AM
No not that specifically but I would say that they indulge in what would be seen as sexist language about women
Its all about where you are and who you are with how you speak
You speak differently to close friends alone than you would say at work, differently to your parents or to a neighbour. We are all many different people depending on where you are
So they don't talk about sexually assaulting women in Locker rooms then so he didn't lie, good glad that's sorted
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 09:41 AM
So they don't talk about sexually assaulting women in Locker rooms then so he didn't lie, good glad that's sorted
Neither did Trump, it was a crude euphemism
as I am sure you know
I think people are mixing up lads banter and insulting, and derogatory behaviour.
I have been around the block, and I have NEVER been in male company where phrases and speech such as Trump used in that video have been said. Most lads banter is harmless even if it could be viewed as offensive. What Trump said was neither harmless or humourous, it was predatory in nature.
I'm still not understanding why it comes as a shock to people though, he has been in the public eye for over 20 years and he has never been what could be considered decent and upstanding
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 09:43 AM
Neither did Trump, it was a crude euphemism
as I am sure you know
omg
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 09:45 AM
I think people are mixing up lads banter and insulting, and derogatory behaviour.
I have been around the block, and I have NEVER been in male company where phrases and speech such as Trump used in that video have been said. Most lads banter is harmless even if it could be viewed as offensive. What Trump said was neither harmless or humourous, it was predatory in nature.
I'm still not understanding why it comes as a shock to people though, he has been in the public eye for over 20 years and he has never been what could be considered decent and upstanding
Exactly BOTS.
I guess people aren't totally surprised but then again people may not have had paid too much attention to the man before he decided to run for president either. I know I didn't anyhow. All I knew about him before really was he was a smug business man with bad hair :laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 09:45 AM
omg
well you dont think he meant he walks into a room and puts his hand down a womans pants and physically grabs them by the clitoris?
I would imagine if he did we may have heard about it by now or indeed in the last week
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 09:46 AM
I think people are mixing up lads banter and insulting, and derogatory behaviour.
I have been around the block, and I have NEVER been in male company where phrases and speech such as Trump used in that video have been said. Most lads banter is harmless even if it could be viewed as offensive. What Trump said was neither harmless or humourous, it was predatory in nature.
I'm still not understanding why it comes as a shock to people though, he has been in the public eye for over 20 years and he has never been what could be considered decent and upstanding
and I also have been around a bit and have heard far far worse
To me he just sounded like an old blowhard feeling his age and trying to impress a younger guy
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 09:50 AM
well you dont think he meant he walks into a room and puts his hand down a womans pants and physically grabs them by the clitoris?
I would imagine if he did we may have heard about it by now or indeed in the last week
I actually had a reply typed out to this but you know what, I'm not even getting into this with someone who is actually defending those words and trying to justify them. Makes me sick
user104658
11-10-2016, 10:08 AM
I maintain - from decades of my OWN direct, personal experiences in a wide range of situations when I have been in all male company, including hundreds of 'Locker Rooms' - that some men STILL talk disrespectfully in a sexist manner about women when they are in all male company.
Right, but I'm not sure how this is really relevant or important? I doubt anyone imagines that Trump is the only man in the world who still talks like this... Obviously, there are still plenty of other arseholes who do it too. That doesn't make it any better, and it's a long way from the idea that ALL men do it (which LT seems to be suggesting). More than one person talking like this doesn't lessen it.
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 10:31 AM
I actually had a reply typed out to this but you know what, I'm not even getting into this with someone who is actually defending those words and trying to justify them. Makes me sick
I am merely pointing out that I think it would be folly to take it literally and I dont think anyone did
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 10:33 AM
Right, but I'm not sure how this is really relevant or important? I doubt anyone imagines that Trump is the only man in the world who still talks like this... Obviously, there are still plenty of other arseholes who do it too. That doesn't make it any better, and it's a long way from the idea that ALL men do it (which LT seems to be suggesting). More than one person talking like this doesn't lessen it.
Yes but to pretend to be outraged is just silly, its a non story and no one is surprised
What is far more important for America is why a 300 million people democracy turned out 2 awful polar candidates, they need to have a long hard look at the whole process that got them here
user104658
11-10-2016, 10:38 AM
Yes but to pretend to be outraged is just silly, its a non story and no one is surprised
What is far more important for America is why a 300 million people democracy turned out 2 awful polar candidates, they need to have a long hard look at the whole process that got them here
Outraged that he said it? That is silly because, yes, we all know that this sort of man exists and we all knew that Trump is exactly that sort of man. The fact that he said it is completely unsurprising.
What is completely ****ing outrageous is that people know he's this sort of man and would still choose him to be the president of the most powerful and influential country in the world. He's a filthy little creeper who needs to retreat back to the underbelly of trashy reality TV.
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 10:41 AM
Outraged that he said it? That is silly because, yes, we all know that this sort of man exists and we all knew that Trump is exactly that sort of man. The fact that he said it is completely unsurprising.
What is completely ****ing outrageous is that people know he's this sort of man and would still choose him to be the president of the most powerful and influential country in the world. He's a filthy little creeper who needs to retreat back to the underbelly of trashy reality TV.
Nail on the head
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 11:11 AM
Outraged that he said it? That is silly because, yes, we all know that this sort of man exists and we all knew that Trump is exactly that sort of man. The fact that he said it is completely unsurprising.
What is completely ****ing outrageous is that people know he's this sort of man and would still choose him to be the president of the most powerful and influential country in the world. He's a filthy little creeper who needs to retreat back to the underbelly of trashy reality TV.
Yes but you have also to accept that a large swathe of America are happy with him, they admire wealth and status above morality. This is a very different country to the UK, we may speak the same language but we are not in any way the same
user104658
11-10-2016, 11:21 AM
Yes but you have also to accept that a large swathe of America are happy with him, they admire wealth and status above morality. This is a very different country to the UK, we may speak the same language but we are not in any way the same
I'm not sure what your point is there, either. That just makes it worse? Not to go all Godwin or anything (and I am genuinely not comparing the two men, only the sentiment) - a large swathe (a decent majority) of Germans were happy with Hitler.
And countless other examples of populations being "happy with" horrendous leaders. At least at the point of putting them in power.
I find the sweeping "that's just democracy innit" idea a bit meaningless. A bad decision is a bad decision.
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 11:25 AM
I'm not sure what your point is there, either. That just makes it worse? Not to go all Godwin or anything (and I am genuinely not comparing the two men, only the sentiment) - a large swathe (a decent majority) of Germans were happy with Hitler.
And countless other examples of populations being "happy with" horrendous leaders. At least at the point of putting them in power.
I find the sweeping "that's just democracy innit" idea a bit meaningless. A bad decision is a bad decision.
Exactly. Because he may actually win the election (fingers crossed not) then we should not say that we think he's revolting, sexist, racist pig?
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 11:33 AM
I'm not sure what your point is there, either. That just makes it worse? Not to go all Godwin or anything (and I am genuinely not comparing the two men, only the sentiment) - a large swathe (a decent majority) of Germans were happy with Hitler.
And countless other examples of populations being "happy with" horrendous leaders. At least at the point of putting them in power.
I find the sweeping "that's just democracy innit" idea a bit meaningless. A bad decision is a bad decision.
Yes that is just grand TS and I get you dont like him or agree with those who support him but dont think that you are right in your summary, you just dont share others opinion of him.
YOU may think he is xyz but my point is others dont and just because you are outraged, angry or convinced that does not make you or anyone on here right.
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 11:36 AM
Yes that is just grand TS and I get you dont like him or agree with those who support him but dont think that you are right in your summary, you just dont share others opinion of him.
YOU may think he is xyz but my point is others dont and just because you are outraged, angry or convinced that does not make you or anyone on here right.
he's even losing the support of the Republicans...that speaks volumes
user104658
11-10-2016, 11:38 AM
Yes that is just grand TS and I get you dont like him or agree with those who support him but dont think that you are right in your summary, you just dont share others opinion of him.
YOU may think he is xyz but my point is others dont and just because you are outraged, angry or convinced that does not make you or anyone on here right.
Sorry LT, I don't buy into the notion that my opinion isn't more rational, valid or right than a bunch of sexist, racist, hooting and hollering hicks and rednecks. I feel sort of bad for you if you genuinely believe that "everyone's" opinion is as right or valid as your own. I mean come on.
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 11:39 AM
Sorry LT, I don't buy into the notion that my opinion isn't more rational, valid or right than a bunch of sexist, racist, hooting and hollering hicks and rednecks. I feel sort of bad for you if you genuinely believe that "everyone's" opinion is as right or valid as your own. I mean come on.
and there we have it...
user104658
11-10-2016, 11:41 AM
and there we have it...
There we have what? You're expecting me to believe that you don't believe your own opinion to be more right than anyone else's. It's nonsense :joker:. It so much nonsense that it practically nullifies the definition OF an opinion. If you don't believe it to be true then it is NOT your opinion.
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 11:46 AM
keep digging TS and you will get there...
user104658
11-10-2016, 12:02 PM
keep digging TS and you will get there...
If you're alluding to the fact that "everyone believes they are right" then yeah that's true too, but that still doesn't mean that some people's opinions, that they fully believe, aren't just straight up incorrect.
Like, you hold the entirely invalid opinion that suede isn't leather :shrug:. Just goes to show that some opinions are BS, right?
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
11-10-2016, 12:27 PM
There is no justification for this kind of talk ever. It's not even locker room talk like some have said in here. Now pigs are using Kylie Jenner's underwear selfie to say see can you blame men when young women are out there objectifying themselves demanding attention. A woman can pose naked it still doesn't mean she wants to be grabbed without consent!
Having said that I hate the Kartrashians!
The logic of a many Trump supporters here doesn't really have anything to do with principles as much as it has to do with having a voice in change... they're fed into the mainstream narrative that has taken hold of the country and has left behind other people who feel the current establishment doesn't recognize the US they knew and loved.
That said, anytime you take advantage of a disenfranchised base, you'll often find that they will overlook even the most obvious red flags (because everyone has skeletons in their closet is the logic) to get the result that they think they want... that would happen in any country or population.
This internet has the same type of followers from both sides... who hang onto ideals and ignore any red flags as some sort way out of the paranoia, anger and disillusionment they feel.
In the US, the past 4-5 generations have been taught repeatedly through society and mainstream media that hypocrisy is OK in a culture where the proudest and loudest voices are the ones who create the most effect and form the majority...
Many people's ideologies and belief systems here are shaped by Christian thinking, even if they are not religious, and the problem there is that it has helped form many of the same pro-sexist/pro-ethnocentric views that we have started to reject.
The Conservative movement per the Republican party has never really been about "traditional values" as much as it's been about stubbornly resisting change. What we found out out over many generations unfortunately is that the old modes of thinking have had terrible effects on society, including promoting pro-sexist, pro-ethnocentric, anti-gay thinking... society has changed and many people accept this, but at a government level, people are resistant to change because it's been plugged and pounded into them for the last few generations by the media (which is ironically liberal) to be disillusioned by things that aren't familiar, that they don't recognize. Still, this country was formed on liberal ideas (Classic liberalism).
I would be more concerned if this country all agreed on pro-sexist, pro-ethnocentric views... but what has happened to the US for as long as I've been alive, as that it used to be stay the same, stay the same, stay the same... America is great... somewhere in the past 10-15 years the tone changed and many people became very paranoid and disillusioned with these movements that went against this rhythm because for a long time it was pounded in our heads that this was what made us great (our prior status quo). Moreover, our culture, constitution and our history has been taught to fear the government and to ever paranoid of it's movements and distrust non-transparency (Keep in mind, Hillary is very secretive and this goes against the fabric of our nation)...
For that reason, it's not surprising that in times of great change that we have groups who disagree with how we should proceed. We are a competitive society when it comes to our opinions, no matter how big or small. The difference is the bar has been lowered to a point that now literally a monkey with a typewriter with great branding and catchy quotes can run for president and get away with it... as long as it's willing to take one for the team against the media because none of these people want their movement to go quiet (remember what I said about loudest and proudest)... it would mean death, a political "all stop" for their movement(s) in American culturally terms... this is why many people hang on despite the hypocrisy.
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 04:31 PM
The logic of a many Trump supporters here doesn't really have anything to do with principles as much as it has to do with having a voice in change... they're fed into the mainstream narrative that has taken hold of the country and has left behind other people who feel the current establishment doesn't recognize the US they knew and loved.
That said, anytime you take advantage of a disenfranchised base, you'll often find that they will overlook even the most obvious red flags (because everyone has skeletons in their closet is the logic) to get the result that they think they want... that would happen in any country or population.
This internet has the same type of followers from both sides... who hang onto ideals and ignore any red flags as some sort way out of the paranoia, anger and disillusionment they feel.
In the US, the past 4-5 generations have been taught repeatedly through society and mainstream media that hypocrisy is OK in a culture where the proudest and loudest voices are the ones who create the most effect and form the majority...
Many people's ideologies and belief systems here are shaped by Christian thinking, even if they are not religious, and the problem there is that it has helped form many of the same pro-sexist/pro-ethnocentric views that we have started to reject.
The Conservative movement per the Republican party has never really been about "traditional values" as much as it's been about stubbornly resisting change. What we found out out over many generations unfortunately is that the old modes of thinking have had terrible effects on society, including promoting pro-sexist, pro-ethnocentric, anti-gay thinking... society has changed and many people accept this, but at a government level, people are resistant to change because it's been plugged and pounded into them for the last few generations by the media (which is ironically liberal) to be disillusioned by things that aren't familiar, that they don't recognize. Still, this country was formed on liberal ideas (Classic liberalism).
I would be more concerned if this country all agreed on pro-sexist, pro-ethnocentric views... but what has happened to the US for as long as I've been alive, as that it used to be stay the same, stay the same, stay the same... America is great... somewhere in the past 10-15 years the tone changed and many people became very paranoid and disillusioned with these movements that went against this rhythm because for a long time it was pounded in our heads that this was what made us great (our prior status quo). Moreover, our culture, constitution and our history has been taught to fear the government and to ever paranoid of it's movements and distrust non-transparency (Keep in mind, Hillary is very secretive and this goes against the fabric of our nation)...
For that reason, it's not surprising that in times of great change that we have groups who disagree with how we should proceed. We are a competitive society when it comes to our opinions, no matter how big or small. The difference is the bar has been lowered to a point that now literally a monkey with a typewriter with great branding and catchy quotes can run for president and get away with it... as long as it's willing to take one for the team against the media because none of these people want their movement to go quiet (remember what I said about loudest and proudest)... it would mean death, a political "all stop" for their movement(s) in American culturally terms... this is why many people hang on despite the hypocrisy.
Sometimes you need to vote for Trump to get change down the line, regardless of who or what he is, voting for clinton wont do that
so on the whole I agree, people are getting way, way to stuck on him as a person and not seeing the longer game
Sometimes you need to vote for Trump to get change down the line, regardless of who or what he is, voting for clinton wont do that
so on the whole I agree, people are getting way, way to stuck on him as a person and not seeing the longer game
The way I look at it, if Clinton wins, its just moving the problem by 4/8 years, by which time, people will be even more desperate for change and end up putting in a real extremist. Trump has many faults, but in the general scheme of things, in a quick 4 year stint, he would be pretty powerless to do anything. Obama hasn't been able to achieve anything with the full weight of the establishment behind him, Trump has no chance
Johnnyuk123
11-10-2016, 05:01 PM
Interesting......
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Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 05:10 PM
Trump really buried Clinton
That was brutal
Don't think its particularly interesting that both Trump and Clinton are nasty people, we already knew it :shrug:
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 05:15 PM
Don't think its particularly interesting that both Trump and Clinton are nasty people, we already knew it :shrug:
and Obamha seems a nice chap and as was said, he did pretty much feck all or was allowed to
The one thing he cared deeply about was the gun thing and he could do zip on that
Johnnyuk123
11-10-2016, 05:21 PM
The truth about Hillary...
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Jamie89
11-10-2016, 05:27 PM
I found it interesting that when defending himself during the last debate he brushed off what he said as being only words. Then he went on to attack Hillary for the way she spoke about Trump supporters and how disgusted he was by her comments. He's so clueless to his own hypocrisy it's unreal.
he's even losing the support of the Republicans...that speaks volumes
I was talking to an American today about the whole Trump/Hillary thing and he said the "choose your country over your party" attitude is really catching on, and that most of the Republicans he knows are planning to vote for Hillary, because they fear more the prospect of Trump being in charge, even if it means the party they support suffers. (Funnily enough we had this chat in a locker room :joker:)
Lets face it.The type of women that have hung around Trump all his life are the type of women who will drop to their knees or drop their knickers at one sniff of a dollar bill.It's no wonder his view of women is the way it is.He's learned from first hand experience.It's just that not all women are like the sort he's used to and his view doesn't translate well outside his bubble.
Isn't he a business man? Will he not have spent time with many professional women too over the years? (as well as the women in his life that Kizzy mentioned). And if he really has led such a sheltered life that his view on half the worlds population is skewed to the point of considering assault against them perfectly acceptable then the last thing he should be put in charge of is a country.
The priorities of this debate and so many killay fans is mindboggling? This irrelevant drivel of trump talking nonsense to kill time in a bus, is seen as more important than discussing the 1 million dead iraqis in the illegal war hillary voted for?
I mean who hasn't resorted to the trivialisation of sexual abuse against women when needing to kill time on bus journeys :unsure:
This is a relevant issue because it shows the kind of person he is, and that he holds views that go against what are supposedly the views of the American nation. Considering he wants to become the representative of that nation, how is it anything but extremely relevant? It shouldn't be shut down simply because there are issues with Hillary too (there's nothing stopping anyone making threads about the things she's done).
James
11-10-2016, 05:56 PM
American conservative writer PJ O'Rourke on Newsnight the other night. He's voting for Hillary, despite thinking she is wrong on almost everything.
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Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 06:00 PM
I found it interesting that when defending himself during the last debate he brushed off what he said as being only words. Then he went on to attack Hillary for the way she spoke about Trump supporters and how disgusted he was by her comments. He's so clueless to his own hypocrisy it's unreal.
I was talking to an American today about the whole Trump/Hillary thing and he said the "choose your country over your party" attitude is really catching on, and that most of the Republicans he knows are planning to vote for Hillary, because they fear more the prospect of Trump being in charge, even if it means the party they support suffers. (Funnily enough we had this chat in a locker room :joker:)
Isn't he a business man? Will he not have spent time with many professional women too over the years? (as well as the women in his life that Kizzy mentioned). And if he really has led such a sheltered life that his view on half the worlds population is skewed to the point of considering assault against them perfectly acceptable then the last thing he should be put in charge of is a country.
I mean who hasn't resorted to the trivialisation of sexual abuse against women when needing to kill time on bus journeys :unsure:
This is a relevant issue because it shows the kind of person he is, and that he holds views that go against what are supposedly the views of the American nation. Considering he wants to become the representative of that nation, how is it anything but extremely relevant? It shouldn't be shut down simply because there are issues with Hillary too (there's nothing stopping anyone making threads about the things she's done).
"This is a relevant issue because it shows the kind of person he is, and that he holds views that go against what are supposedly the views of the American nation."
Ok then by that token the American people should be given a salacious private convo from Clinton to dissect?
will they
No
why
The american Press do not support Trump largely so they wont find any
Anyone who makes a judgement on a none of their business private conversation is not taking their democratic duty seriously
the truth
11-10-2016, 06:05 PM
I found it interesting that when defending himself during the last debate he brushed off what he said as being only words. Then he went on to attack Hillary for the way she spoke about Trump supporters and how disgusted he was by her comments. He's so clueless to his own hypocrisy it's unreal.
I was talking to an American today about the whole Trump/Hillary thing and he said the "choose your country over your party" attitude is really catching on, and that most of the Republicans he knows are planning to vote for Hillary, because they fear more the prospect of Trump being in charge, even if it means the party they support suffers. (Funnily enough we had this chat in a locker room :joker:)
Isn't he a business man? Will he not have spent time with many professional women too over the years? (as well as the women in his life that Kizzy mentioned). And if he really has led such a sheltered life that his view on half the worlds population is skewed to the point of considering assault against them perfectly acceptable then the last thing he should be put in charge of is a country.
I mean who hasn't resorted to the trivialisation of sexual abuse against women when needing to kill time on bus journeys :unsure:
This is a relevant issue because it shows the kind of person he is, and that he holds views that go against what are supposedly the views of the American nation. Considering he wants to become the representative of that nation, how is it anything but extremely relevant? It shouldn't be shut down simply because there are issues with Hillary too (there's nothing stopping anyone making threads about the things she's done).
its just words and he clearly doesnt act on these words....no one has ever accused trump of grabbing their private parts against their consent and he has never been charged with anything. I agree its absurd and obscene words thugh Im sure everyone has heard far words...its only words in this case,not action...meanwhile killary has the blood of 1 million innocent iraqis on her hands ...before we even accou t for her disasters in benghazi, libya, syria, etc if you want to look at dangerous words, hows about her suggesting her race with obama wasnt over as previous candidates had been assassinated
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 06:09 PM
its just words and he clearly doesnt act on these words....no one has ever accused trump of grabbing their private parts against their consent and he has never been charged with anything. I agree its absurd and obscene words thugh Im sure everyone has heard far words...its only words in this case,not action...meanwhile killary has the blood of 1 million innocent iraqis on her hands ...before we even accou t for her disasters in benghazi, libya, syria, etc if you want to look at dangerous words, hows about her suggesting her race with obama wasnt over as previous candidates had been assassinated
you are wasting your time truth
logic and reason is not called for here, lets just all hate on Trump and get the pitchforks
:idc:
Jamie89
11-10-2016, 06:26 PM
"This is a relevant issue because it shows the kind of person he is, and that he holds views that go against what are supposedly the views of the American nation."
Ok then by that token the American people should be given a salacious private convo from Clinton to dissect?
will they
No
why
The american Press do not support Trump largely so they wont find any
Anyone who makes a judgement on a none of their business private conversation is not taking their democratic duty seriously
Poor Trump the victim being picked on by the media? I don't blame the media for reporting it, and the 'what if we knew all of Hillary's private conversations' argument is just a distraction. We DO know about this conversation, and people are going to judge him for it. There's nothing undemocratic about that. It wasn't private, the fact that he thought it was doesn't change that people know about it, and as a result know how he feels about women, so of course they will judge him on it given the content.
its just words and he clearly doesnt act on these words....no one has ever accused trump of grabbing their private parts against their consent and he has never been charged with anything. I agree its absurd and obscene words thugh Im sure everyone has heard far words...its only words in this case,not action...meanwhile killary has the blood of 1 million innocent iraqis on her hands ...before we even accou t for her disasters in benghazi, libya, syria, etc if you want to look at dangerous words, hows about her suggesting her race with obama wasnt over as previous candidates had been assassinated
Noone's saying he has actually done those things, it's his attitude that people have a problem with. And again, issues to do with Hillary can be discussed too, it doesn't stop this being an issue.
Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 06:28 PM
Poor Trump the victim being picked on by the media? I don't blame the media for reporting it, and the 'what if we knew all of Hillary's private conversations' argument is just a distraction. We DO know about this conversation, and people are going to judge him for it. There's nothing undemocratic about that. It wasn't private, the fact that he thought it was doesn't change that people know about it, and as a result know how he feels about women, so of course they will judge him on it given the content.
Noone's saying he has actually done those things, it's his attitude that people have a problem with. And again, issues to do with Hillary can be discussed too, it doesn't stop this being an issue.
"It wasn't private"
sorry what on gods earth are you on about?
Mokka
11-10-2016, 06:33 PM
you are wasting your time truth
logic and reason is not called for here, lets just all hate on Trump and get the pitchforks
:idc:
Sure.... logic an reason can now be used to justify discussing rapey sexual assault as if they are everyday acceptable behaviours.
There is locker room talk...and then there is keen insight into how men view women in society. Private or not....this speaks to how Trump views women....and that is not a good thing for the next leader of the free world
Jack_
11-10-2016, 06:42 PM
His words are incredibly relevant, if he already believes his wealth and status enable him to get away with sexually assaulting women, God only knows what being the president of the United ****ing States will have him thinking :umm2:
Just think, if there's women who never spoke out about his 'groping' of them because of who he was, then what'll happen if he's the most powerful man on planet earth?
Jamie89
11-10-2016, 06:52 PM
"It wasn't private"
sorry what on gods earth are you on about?
He was mic'd up for a tv show was he not? Like I said, he thought it was private but clearly it wasn't. It's irrelevant to the point anyway but of course you've ignored all the points I made relating to the actual issue.... for some reason
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 08:29 PM
American conservative writer PJ O'Rourke on Newsnight the other night. He's voting for Hillary, despite thinking she is wrong on almost everything.
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Hopefully the majority will follow suite
Sure.... logic an reason can now be used to justify discussing rapey sexual assault as if they are everyday acceptable behaviours.
There is locker room talk...and then there is keen insight into how men view women in society. Private or not....this speaks to how Trump views women....and that is not a good thing for the next leader of the free world
How it's being justified is actually beyond belief
Johnnyuk123
11-10-2016, 08:43 PM
Hopefully the majority will follow suite
The majority of American people see right through the Trump hate multi million pound Hillary Clinton campaign. Just like the British people did with the remoaner's stay campaign scare mongering nonsense about what will happen if we vote out of the EU and will vote for Donald the peoples champion. The people will get the result they want 100% :wavey:
Niamh.
11-10-2016, 08:48 PM
The majority of American people see right through the Trump hate multi million pound Hillary Clinton campaign. Just like the British people did with the remoaner's stay campaign scare mongering nonsense about what will happen if we vote out of the EU and will vote for Donald the peoples champion. The people will get the result they want 100% :wavey:
Obviously the people will get the result they want, that is how democracy works :laugh:
Jack_
11-10-2016, 10:49 PM
lol at how Mark Burnett of all people has now been dragged into this election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37617068
His words are incredibly relevant, if he already believes his wealth and status enable him to get away with sexually assaulting women, God only knows what being the president of the United ****ing States will have him thinking :umm2:
Just think, if there's women who never spoke out about his 'groping' of them because of who he was, then what'll happen if he's the most powerful man on planet earth?
That's the risk some are willing to take to push for their version of change. We don't really know what he would do as president. He has no political record. His business record he could easily clear up by releasing a few years worth of tax returns, which he refuses to do.
All we have left to judge is his record on being a human being/reality star... and his words... words that aren't worth very much these days since it's plain and clear to anyone that he lies on a dime. That's the only evidence we have to decide if a man should be the president of the United States and subsequently take an influential power role in the world. It's not a strong showing imo, but for some people it's enough :shrug:
Some people are mentioning it's a cheap shot to go after his character. :joker: I beg to digger. Hillary has been through the wringer time and time again and even then, it's still happening. Trump is not exempt.
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I can't wait for the post-election/post-office release of this documentary.
..there should never be any private in a conversation finding amusement in sexual assault with someone who is striving to be a world leader...it's of public interest because votes are made on character and integrity of a person as well as other reasons...with the starring role he's hoping to get, there comes responsibility of power but he talks about power/influence in a way that he abuses it, not a way that he lives up to it...his responsibility would be to respect all of his US citizens equally regardless of their gender...
..I was thinking yesterday of how we all have or have had people in our lives/males specifically...granddads/dads/uncles etc who would describe themselves as 'old fashioned' and a big part of that is respect in how they speak to or speak about females...because back in the day you know, that was us....no one of any character ever said the words that he did../would ever have found such the topic of amusement...at the very least and the very best, he's an extremely weak person in feeling he needed to 'impress the ladz' by laughing about sexual assault.../worrying either way tbh...and disrespectful to all genders if he feels that he's representative with his views of some sort of acceptable locker room banter...
Jamie89
12-10-2016, 05:44 AM
lol at how Mark Burnett of all people has now been dragged into this election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37617068
"As a producer on seasons one and two I assure you: when it comes to the Trump tapes there are far worse."
But they're not 'able' to release them :think:
I think things like that should have to be released, in the interests of openness and the public being able to make an informed choice when voting. His character and the type of person he is is important imo. And isn't one of the appeals of Trump the idea that he'd be a 'change' to the usual political system? Beginning that change with cover-ups is a great start!
"As a producer on seasons one and two I assure you: when it comes to the Trump tapes there are far worse."
But they're not 'able' to release them :think:
I think things like that should have to be released, in the interests of openness and the public being able to make an informed choice when voting. His character and the type of person he is is important imo. And isn't one of the appeals of Trump the idea that he'd be a 'change' to the usual political system? Beginning that change with cover-ups is a great start!
...could you imagine if there was a taped conversation in a school staffroom or something and teachers saying..oh, I just slap those children or whatever...the outrage and how worrying that would be../how rightfully worried parents would be who had their children at that school and also of general public concern as well if in thinking that may be representative of schools and their teaching staff/the carers of their children...and yet Trump is looking to be representative of the whole of the USA...of course, the man he is, is of huge importance...
Jamie89
12-10-2016, 06:24 AM
..there should never be any private in a conversation finding amusement in sexual assault with someone who is striving to be a world leader...it's of public interest because votes are made on character and integrity of a person as well as other reasons...with the starring role he's hoping to get, there comes responsibility of power but he talks about power/influence in a way that he abuses it, not a way that he lives up to it...his responsibility would be to respect all of his US citizens equally regardless of their gender...
..I was thinking yesterday of how we all have or have had people in our lives/males specifically...granddads/dads/uncles etc who would describe themselves as 'old fashioned' and a big part of that is respect in how they speak to or speak about females...because back in the day you know, that was us....no one of any character ever said the words that he did../would ever have found such the topic of amusement...at the very least and the very best, he's an extremely weak person in feeling he needed to 'impress the ladz' by laughing about sexual assault.../worrying either way tbh...and disrespectful to all genders if he feels that he's representative with his views of some sort of acceptable locker room banter...
I was thinking the same thing about my grandad when I was reading some comments the other day. He's in his 80's and he worships the ground my grandma walks on, he talks about her and treats her like she's the most wonderful person in the world and it's something that's always stuck with me and makes me smile when I think about them. It would be unimaginable that he'd ever think or say those kinds of things and he'd be repulsed by Trump's attitude. Honestly it annoys me when Trump's age is used as a defense for him. Things haven't always been great for women politically/socially etc and I think that's the reason age is a go-to excuse for stuff, and I think it's easy to disassociate yourself with a time period if you haven't lived it, but like you suggest, respect, love, decency, they aren't knew concepts that we've just invented, they're pretty basic human traits.
...could you imagine if there was a taped conversation in a school staffroom or something and teachers saying..oh, I just slap those children or whatever...the outrage and how worrying that would be../how rightfully worried parents would be who had their children at that school and also of general public concern as well if in thinking that may be representative of schools and their teaching staff/the carers of their children...and yet Trump is looking to be representative of the whole of the USA...of course, the man he is, is of huge importance...
Yeah again I completely agree, I can't fathom the attitude of "he didn't mean for it to be public so just ignore it" at all.
Imagine a criminal defense in court "Well your honour, he burgled the house late at night, dressed in black, even wore a balaclava. He obviously didn't want to be seen so it's unfair to judge him, this is a private matter between him and his victim." :laugh:
kirklancaster
12-10-2016, 06:45 AM
"As a producer on seasons one and two I assure you: when it comes to the Trump tapes there are far worse."
But they're not 'able' to release them :think:
I think things like that should have to be released, in the interests of openness and the public being able to make an informed choice when voting. His character and the type of person he is is important imo. And isn't one of the appeals of Trump the idea that he'd be a 'change' to the usual political system? Beginning that change with cover-ups is a great start!
I detest this type of thing. The; 'I just want to tell you Kirk that one of your close friends has told me you shag dead pigs, but I won't tell you who it is who said it" syndrome.
Either put up and PROVE what you are alleging, or fecking SHUT UP and say nothing in the first place.
It is wholly unfair to Trump - or any one else - for someone to come out with such statements that there is "much worse" to come, but then say that the 'proof' cannot ever be presented.
It is nothing more than indictment without a trial or evidence.
Unfair and frankly worthless.
Niamh.
12-10-2016, 10:34 AM
I detest this type of thing. The; 'I just want to tell you Kirk that one of your close friends has told me you shag dead pigs, but I won't tell you who it is who said it" syndrome.
Either put up and PROVE what you are alleging, or fecking SHUT UP and say nothing in the first place.
It is wholly unfair to Trump - or any one else - for someone to come out with such statements that there is "much worse" to come, but then say that the 'proof' cannot ever be presented.
It is nothing more than indictment without a trial or evidence.
Unfair and frankly worthless.
It was Livia who told me :fan:
the truth
12-10-2016, 11:00 AM
..there should never be any private in a conversation finding amusement in sexual assault with someone who is striving to be a world leader...it's of public interest because votes are made on character and integrity of a person as well as other reasons...with the starring role he's hoping to get, there comes responsibility of power but he talks about power/influence in a way that he abuses it, not a way that he lives up to it...his responsibility would be to respect all of his US citizens equally regardless of their gender...
..I was thinking yesterday of how we all have or have had people in our lives/males specifically...granddads/dads/uncles etc who would describe themselves as 'old fashioned' and a big part of that is respect in how they speak to or speak about females...because back in the day you know, that was us....no one of any character ever said the words that he did../would ever have found such the topic of amusement...at the very least and the very best, he's an extremely weak person in feeling he needed to 'impress the ladz' by laughing about sexual assault.../worrying either way tbh...and disrespectful to all genders if he feels that he's representative with his views of some sort of acceptable locker room banter...
why do women laugh about mens penises being sliced off then on the likes of loose women? how is that ok? and that actually happened
Niamh.
12-10-2016, 11:02 AM
why do women laugh about mens penises being sliced off then on the likes of loose women? how is that ok? and that actually happened
It isn't ok and luckily whoever said that isn't running for President of any country
why do women laugh about mens penises being sliced off then on the likes of loose women? how is that ok? and that actually happened
..it really isn't any source of amusement for any sexual assault or any violence no matter what the gender...
kirklancaster
12-10-2016, 11:08 AM
It was Livia who told me :fan:
:laugh2: YOU are a scamp too Niamh. :hee: (Ammi will explain)
the truth
12-10-2016, 11:32 AM
It isn't ok and luckily whoever said that isn't running for President of any country
she suggested obama may be assaisanted? she voted gto illegally bomb 1 million innocent people? compared to that, trumps locker room comments are miniscule. why are we dwelling on such trivialities compared to 1 million dead innocents? shes a vile warmonger who is totally unfit for any office ever
the truth
12-10-2016, 11:34 AM
..it really isn't any source of amusement for any sexual assault or any violence no matter what the gender...
that was attempted murder which actually happened, his was hypothetical trash talk, pretty sure you can see the difference...to put it bluntly , he didnt actually do what he suggested , whereas men have had their penises cut off and nealry bled to death and vast swatches of women have laughed and cheered across tv shows and those women received zero punishment for this massive discrimination and condoning of this horrific violence...
Niamh.
12-10-2016, 11:50 AM
she suggested obama may be assaisanted? she voted gto illegally bomb 1 million innocent people? compared to that, trumps locker room comments are miniscule. why are we dwelling on such trivialities compared to 1 million dead innocents? shes a vile warmonger who is totally unfit for any office ever
sexual assault is hardly trivial
that was attempted murder which actually happened, his was hypothetical trash talk, pretty sure you can see the difference...to put it bluntly , he didnt actually do what he suggested , whereas men have had their penises cut off and nealry bled to death and vast swatches of women have laughed and cheered across tv shows and those women received zero punishment for this massive discrimination and condoning of this horrific violence...
...Loose Women isn't vast swatches, it's only representative of a few and I have no idea what has been said on there so can't comment...but the whole show has always seem scripted to me for controversial opinions...the same as Donald Trump and his amusement at sexual assault isn't representative of males either...
user104658
12-10-2016, 04:12 PM
Just as a side issue here: did this incident prompt anyone else to Google whether on not it is physically possible for someone to be picked up by the vagina?
Niamh.
12-10-2016, 04:14 PM
Just as a side issue here: did this incident prompt anyone else to Google whether on not it is physically possible for someone to be picked up by the vagina?
No just the weirdos :fan:
user104658
12-10-2016, 04:16 PM
No just the weirdos :fan:
Google doesn't even have an answer, which is a first.
Niamh.
12-10-2016, 04:17 PM
Google doesn't even have an answer, which is a first.
Things are bad when you ask a question that even google won't answer :hehe:
Google doesn't even have an answer, which is a first.
TS will now appear in googles search statistics as the only person on the planet to have asked that question of it :laugh:
user104658
12-10-2016, 08:16 PM
TS will now appear in googles search statistics as the only person on the planet to have asked that question of it [emoji23]
Not true. Many have sought the same answers as I, only to be left wondering.
Just saw this tonight, so I thought I'd add it here as an update...
More questionable footage of Trump's comments on women
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-unearthed-footage-trump-says-of-10-year-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/
In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”
Oh yeah, a real joker :facepalm: Maybe it was a witty spin on the whole escalator situation? Get it? A woman making it to the top?... ha ha.... :rolleyes::bored:
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