Have you ever seen a ghost?

[hbk4894]

Have you ever seen a ghost?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No they are fictional from books. they dont exist, like dragons and fairies

/thread

[ArgyESC]

No they are fictional from books. they dont exist, like dragons and fairies

Exactly.

[Ashley.]

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[LaLaLand]

No but I have relatives who swear they have.

Also, a friend of mine's Mum had a really terrifying dream that was kind of a premonition to a tragedy. She had one of those "you dream that you've woke up" dreams, and dreamt there was a black shadow standing over her in bed and putting it's hand on her stomach and like pulling something out of it.

She found out she had miscarried less than a week later.

[GiRTh]

No they dont exist.

[smudgie]

Not the Casper type or the head under the arm type.
I have seen people in spirit though.

[Jessica.]

Ghosts do not exist. Fact.

[Jessica.]

Nobody has ever seen a ghost because they don't exist

[AnnieK]

I wish they did exist....could seriously do with some advice from my mum right now.

[Shaun]

yawn @ the militant atheist stereotype being trodded out already

(no I have not)

[Niamh.]

I wish they did exist....could seriously do with some advice from my mum right now.

:hug:

good to see you back Annie, hope you're ok?

[Jessica.]

yawn @ the militant atheist stereotype being trodded out already

(no I have not)
I have never told anybody what to believe. I know that most people believe in ghosts for comfort reasons, so I'm not trying to get personal about it. I could phrase it more politely but really it's not offensive either. Ghosts don't exist and I know that so I feel obligated to make that clear in threads like this.

[Josy]

I've seen worse things

[Jessica.]

I've seen worse things
Supernatural worse things or natural worse things?

[Rob!]

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:joker::joker::joker:

[Jack.]

Yeah i've seen a small child ghost in my old house.

[caprimint]

No cus they don't exist :idc:

[Marsh.]

Yes, because they exist.

[Lostie!]

yawn @ the militant atheist stereotype being trodded out already

(no I have not)

Tbh.

I haven't either but I also don't have such a ridiculous level of arrogance that I feel qualified to tell others what they have and haven't seen. :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

"There are two possible reasons for the failure of ghost hunters to find good evidence. The first is that ghosts don't exist, and that reports of ghosts can be explained by psychology, misperceptions, mistakes and hoaxes. The second option is that ghosts do exist, but that ghost hunters are simply incompetent."

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tbh.

I haven't either but I also don't have such a ridiculous level of arrogance that I feel qualified to tell others what they have and haven't seen. :)

well you fail to see a distinction betwixt people saying that they thought what they saw was "a ghost" and the fact that "ghosts" are not real


Plenty people think they saw what they perceive (from books, tv and film) as a "ghost" no one is disputing that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps a "believer" can explain to the forum what a "ghost" is and how it operates etc?

flesh it out a little so to speak

[Marsh.]

Perhaps a "believer" can explain to the forum what a "ghost" is and how it operates etc?

flesh it out a little so to speak

Maybe you could explain, since you know they don't exist? So to be so sure they don't you must be pretty certain what one is?

[Liam-]

No but I have heard one, on many occasions, I'm a believer so I'm very open to the idea of seeing one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In one corner we have peer reviewed scientific knowledge built up over the lifespan of modern science. physics, biology, chemistry etc


in the other corner we have

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/03/article-1362452-00D07CA11000044C-17_636x451.jpg



ding ding, round one

[Marsh.]

Yeah, science, which holds the answer to anything and everything in 2016.

Oh wait....

They don't even know everything there is to know about the human body yet, let alone the universe.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Tbh.

I haven't either but I also don't have such a ridiculous level of arrogance that I feel qualified to tell others what they have and haven't seen. :)

:clap2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah, science, which holds the answer to anything and everything in 2016.

Oh wait....

They don't even know everything there is to know about the human body yet, let alone the universe.


maybe you could answer my question earlier marsh about what a ghost actually is and how it operates?

:think:

[Jack.]

Perhaps a "believer" can explain to the forum what a "ghost" is and how it operates etc?

flesh it out a little so to speak

Well the "ghost" is seen was just like most "ghosts" look like, I was sat in the bath and i could see a small boy spirt stood in the doorway of one of the room, So i **** myself got out of the bath and ran downstairs but no one believed me.

[Marsh.]

maybe you could answer my question earlier marsh about what a ghost actually is and how it operates?

:think:

I haven't claimed to have ever seen one or know what one would be so it's pretty useless asking me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I haven't claimed to have ever seen one or know what one would be so it's pretty useless asking me.

Maybe liam will say as he heard one?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is a very good short synopsis on this subject

http://www.livescience.com/26697-are-ghosts-real.html

[Jamie89]

Yeah, science, which holds the answer to anything and everything in 2016.

Oh wait....

They don't even know everything there is to know about the human body yet, let alone the universe.

:clap2: Science is constantly developing as we are, as is our understanding of things. There's aspects within science now that historically we would have had no concept of as human beings, who's to say the same won't be true of the future? Unless you think we're the ultimate intelligent evolved species that is possible within the universe? There's a lot that our brains can't even begin to comprehend so nothing can be dismissed outright.
I don't personally believe in ghosts, and noone can prove that they exist, but that still doesn't mean they don't.

[Black Dagger]

Bore off LT.

[Tom4784]

LT. perhaps instead of demanding proof for people's opinions, you should provide some evidence for your own opinion that you believe to be fact.

[Babayaro.]

Well the "ghost" is seen was just like most "ghosts" look like, I was sat in the bath and i could see a small boy spirt stood in the doorway of one of the room, So i **** myself got out of the bath and ran downstairs but no one believed me.

I hope you wiped up :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT. perhaps instead of demanding proof for people's opinions, you should provide some evidence for your own opinion that you believe to be fact.

perhaps some one could say what a ghost is and how it works?

because I am pretty sure that no one has the slightest clue apart from some horror film ideas or from reading harry potter/other similar books



or your short answer would be onus probandi

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bore off LT.

oh dear did i upset your myopic view on life

soz hon

xx

:hee:

[bots]

LT does make a valid point. What is a ghost. Is it something barely visible out the corner of ones eye, is it something fully formed that could be mistaken for a living being, is it an invisible voice, a whisper in the wind, some creaking of some wooden eaves in the roof. To have seen/heard a ghost, you would need to be able to verify it was a ghost and not something else, and part of that verification requires what a ghost is to be defined.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT does make a valid point. What is a ghost. Is it something barely visible out the corner of ones eye, is it something fully formed that could be mistaken for a living being, is it an invisible voice, a whisper in the wind, some creaking of some wooden eaves in the roof. To have seen/heard a ghost, you would need to be able to verify it was a ghost and not something else, and part of that verification requires what a ghost is to be defined.

I have been trying, thankyou

:smug:

[Marsh.]

perhaps some one could say what a ghost is and how it works?

because I am pretty sure that no one has the slightest clue apart from some horror film ideas or from reading harry potter/other similar books



or your short answer would be onus probandi

And who provided the first ideas for ghosts to be put into books like Harry Potter and horror films?

The real ghosts you lemon. :nono:

[Josy]

Seen a ghost eating toast half way up the lamp post

[kirklancaster]

And who provided the first ideas for ghosts to be put into books like Harry Potter and horror films?

The real ghosts you lemon. :nono:

:laugh::laugh::laugh: That's the SPIRIT Marsh. :hee:

[rusticgal]

My brother claimed to have seen and described a vision of an elderly lady in an old house he bought in Devon. His description matched the former resident who passed away in the house before he bought it. His description of her was exactly as her son described and even down to the clothing she wore. Previously sounds of a ball bouncing on floorboards were heard on several occasions despite the house being fully carpeted.
Years later I stayed at my girlfriends house and slept downstairs with two other girlfriends after a girls night in. Two of us were awoken by a similar sound of a bouncing ball on hard flooring. The next day I asked her if her house was haunted and she told me they believed it was with several occurrences of weird activity in her young sons room. A few years later she put the house on the market...a photo taken of the house by the estate agent showed a young child face clearly visible at her bedroom window...

So yes...I believe in them.

[Amy Jade]

I do and I believe I saw a ghost while camping at Ewloe Castle in Wepre Woods.

Basically me and a few friends asked to stay in one of their caravans which was parked on the drive. We snuck off with a few others and camped in the castle grounds. It was pitch black when we arrived but we set up 2 tents, one for the girls and one for the boys.

I dont know what time it was but my friend woke me and the other girls up to say she could hear somebody walking around outside, we freaked out and rang the boys but they never answered so we decided to get out the tent and by a grate in the ground there was somebody standing looking away from us, it looked like a woman with her hair in a bun, we literally darted back into the tent and huddled together and sat there until we heard the boys talking - none of them claimed to have left the tent and the person had a long skirt on and after looking online we found out about a woman called Nora having an illegitimate baby and throwing it from a spire in the castle before drowning herself.

I believe we saw her ghost, even my mum has said we were imagining it because we were scaring each other and stuff but me and the other girl (Rachel) still to this day both maintain we saw that woman.

[Amy Jade]

Nobody believed us even the boys but yeah, we obviously have no proof but I saw somebody up there and who is going to be wandering around the woods in the pitch black?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Josy]

I would personally say a 'ghost' is a residual energy, that's how I would describe it anyway, I'm not talking about believing in spooky ghosts that float about like a fart in a trance make frightening noises etc but i've always believed in residual energies :shrug:

[LaLaLand]

I do and I believe I saw a ghost while camping at Ewloe Castle in Wepre Woods.

Basically me and a few friends asked to stay in one of their caravans which was parked on the drive. We snuck off with a few others and camped in the castle grounds. It was pitch black when we arrived but we set up 2 tents, one for the girls and one for the boys.

I dont know what time it was but my friend woke me and the other girls up to say she could hear somebody walking around outside, we freaked out and rang the boys but they never answered so we decided to get out the tent and by a grate in the ground there was somebody standing looking away from us, it looked like a woman with her hair in a bun, we literally darted back into the tent and huddled together and sat there until we heard the boys talking - none of them claimed to have left the tent and the person had a long skirt on and after looking online we found out about a woman called Nora having an illegitimate baby and throwing it from a spire in the castle before drowning herself.

I believe we saw her ghost, even my mum has said we were imagining it because we were scaring each other and stuff but me and the other girl (Rachel) still to this day both maintain we saw that woman.

Ewloe/Wepre Woods isn't too far from me and it's NOTORIOUS for being haunted by Nora the Nun, she's been seen so many times by people over the years. Every sighting of her has been by the waterfall.

Here: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/connahs-quay-beauty-spot-ghostly-10962259

[LaLaLand]

I was reminded today of a spooky experience that I'd forgot about concerning my old dog.

I had a Springer Spaniel called Sam all my life until he died when I was about 12-ish, he was 15. Very sad! Anyway, at night he used to sleep on a huge dog bed/cushion by the back door and the bed would snuggle nicely into the alcove of the door and stop just before the bin in the kitchen.

Now everytime he would move in his slip, turn around etc the bed would make this very distinct tapping/rattling noise on the bin which was metal. If I heard it now I'd recognise it as that sound instantly.

Anyway long story short, one evening a few weeks after he died I was home alone watching wrestling videos on my own, parents had gone to the supermarket. I was well into watching it when I heard THE NOISE. Not thinking I didn't react until later on when I thought about it. My Mum was like "aww he came back to tell you he's okay!" or that he'd come to say goodbye, bless.

[Jessica.]

Why would anybody want to believe in ghosts though? I just don't understand. Sometimes I see something out of the corner of my eye and then I think; "hmm I could have thought that shadow was something spooky if I didn't know it was a car passing the window of the other room". If you actually think about the things you are experiencing instead of allowing your imagination to go wild then you wouldn't have a reason to believe in this thing.

I believed in ghosts and was terrified of them for all of my youth, I thought my father or some other dead relative would appear to me and traumatise me. Eventually I started thinking about why I believed those things, which was obviously stories and influence from other people. I decided to make my own mind up and realised that my fear had been very juvenile and unnecessary.

What I'm trying to say is, I understand the belief in ghosts possibly existing if you want to believe in them, but claiming that what you saw or heard was a ghost without any evidence other than your perception is very confusing to me. I don't think I'll ever understand completely.

[Amy Jade]

I was reminded today of a spooky experience that I'd forgot about concerning my old dog.

I had a Springer Spaniel called Sam all my life until he died when I was about 12-ish, he was 15. Very sad! Anyway, at night he used to sleep on a huge dog bed/cushion by the back door and the bed would snuggle nicely into the alcove of the door and stop just before the bin in the kitchen.

Now everytime he would move in his slip, turn around etc the bed would make this very distinct tapping/rattling noise on the bin which was metal. If I heard it now I'd recognise it as that sound instantly.

Anyway long story short, one evening a few weeks after he died I was home alone watching wrestling videos on my own, parents had gone to the supermarket. I was well into watching it when I heard THE NOISE. Not thinking I didn't react until later on when I thought about it. My Mum was like "aww he came back to tell you he's okay!" or that he'd come to say goodbye, bless.

Thats so cute, I believe dogs can sense the paranormal.

My mum used to have a dog called Scooby who slept on the landing, because there are pipes under the floor and every now and then the dog I have now slants her head, wags her tail and walks from in my room to the landing and my Nan says its Scooby watching over us

[Ammi]

My brother claimed to have seen and described a vision of an elderly lady in an old house he bought in Devon. His description matched the former resident who passed away in the house before he bought it. His description of her was exactly as her son described and even down to the clothing she wore. Previously sounds of a ball bouncing on floorboards were heard on several occasions despite the house being fully carpeted.
Years later I stayed at my girlfriends house and slept downstairs with two other girlfriends after a girls night in. Two of us were awoken by a similar sound of a bouncing ball on hard flooring. The next day I asked her if her house was haunted and she told me they believed it was with several occurrences of weird activity in her young sons room. A few years later she put the house on the market...a photo taken of the house by the estate agent showed a young child face clearly visible at her bedroom window...

So yes...I believe in them.



ooo how spooky Rusticgal because I have a brother/Devon/old lady/balls involved story...it's quite extensive in quite a lot of things happening so I won't say it all but we had rented an old house in Devon with my brother and he and his partner were in the older part of the house...anyway there was a snooker table...(enter the balls bit..)...and one night he woke up and heard the snooker balls clicking together as if someone was playing...so he went to have a look...(he's very much a non believer in ghosts and all things spooky..)...and while he was in the snooker room...(there was a shower room right next to that room..)...the shower was running and none of us had used that shower...anyway a few other things and his partner claimed to have actually seen an old lady as well..../an old lady and a snooker playing ghost who showered in the middle of the night...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why would anybody want to believe in ghosts though? I just don't understand. Sometimes I see something out of the corner of my eye and then I think; "hmm I could have thought that shadow was something spooky if I didn't know it was a car passing the window of the other room". If you actually think about the things you are experiencing instead of allowing your imagination to go wild then you wouldn't have a reason to believe in this thing.

I believed in ghosts and was terrified of them for all of my youth, I thought my father or some other dead relative would appear to me and traumatise me. Eventually I started thinking about why I believed those things, which was obviously stories and influence from other people. I decided to make my own mind up and realised that my fear had been very juvenile and unnecessary.

What I'm trying to say is, I understand the belief in ghosts possibly existing if you want to believe in them, but claiming that what you saw or heard was a ghost without any evidence other than your perception is very confusing to me. I don't think I'll ever understand completely.

One very strong emotion in humans is the need to be liked and the need to feel important/worth. Saying you saw a "ghost" feeds those needs in some people and amoungst their friends - think back to a time before tv, radio and the like - a good story was a very popular commodity so I can fully see how such things occurred - look at Tam o Shanter by Burns etc

Because in certain sections of society seeing a "ghost" would be seen as rare and special and no one would perhaps question the validity of the claim so it is given status.

[kirklancaster]

Josy is absolutely correct about 'Residual Energy'.

And you are seeing 'Ghosts' every time you look up at the night sky - millions of stars that no longer exist.

Ghosts exist.

Because the explanation for their existence falls outside those very narrow parameters of current 'scientific' knowledge does not preclude them from existing.

Scientific knowledge is in a permanent state of flux (Oxymoron or paradox? :laugh:) and 'Yesterday's' universally accepted scientific 'absolute' is today's 'revised error'.

Just as with UFO's - the sheer weight of evidence for ghosts is just far too much to be ignored.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The "residul energy" aspect has been dealt with countless times, even on tibb as I rdecall. This gives a brief but succint answer to it from the link I posted earlier.

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Many people believe that support for the existence of ghosts can be found in no less a hard science than modern physics. It is widely claimed that Albert Einstein suggested a scientific basis for the reality of ghosts; if energy cannot be created or destroyed but only change form, what happens to our body's energy when we die? Could that somehow be manifested as a ghost?


It seems like a reasonable assumption — unless you understand basic physics. The answer is very simple, and not at all mysterious. After a person dies, the energy in his or her body goes where all organisms' energy goes after death: into the environment. The energy is released in the form of heat, and transferred into the animals that eat us (i.e., wild animals if we are left unburied, or worms and bacteria if we are interred), and the plants that absorb us. There is no bodily "energy" that survives death to be detected with popular ghost-hunting devices.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and kirk, to try and use the peer reviewed aspect of science as some sort of negative is ridiculous. If there were any actual evidence then it would be presented, tested and analysed like all scientific endeavour. The fact that at best its presented on minority channel ghost hunting shows surely is evidence enough that its entertainment pure and simple.


Still waiting on someone to define what a ghost actually is

[Jessica.]

I don't think some believers do it for validation, but I hadn't thought of that as a reason before. :worry: When I think about it, I can guarantee one or two people in my real life have definitely done it for that reason.

Actually I have a memory of being about six years old and having a dream about a random old woman giving me ice cream, I told my mother that it was her mother in the dream, mainly because I wanted to make her happy. She got me to point her mother out in a photo of a few people and obviously I was able to since she looked just like my own mother. The amount of praise I got was brilliant. I feel a bit guilty now. :joker:

[bots]

i'm still interested in how something without physical form can somehow materialise into something that not only walks and talks but can shape and colour itself to be an exact match of a particular set of clothes, having done all that, still can't be solid. Big question, why would they bother when they don't have eyes to see it, or any method of feeling it :idc:

[Jamie89]

One very strong emotion in humans is the need to be liked and the need to feel important/worth. Saying you saw a "ghost" feeds those needs in some people and amoungst their friends - think back to a time before tv, radio and the like - a good story was a very popular commodity so I can fully see how such things occurred - look at Tam o Shanter by Burns etc

Because in certain sections of society seeing a "ghost" would be seen as rare and special and no one would perhaps question the validity of the claim so it is given status.

People also have a need to rationalise the things around them in terms that they're able to understand, which is what you're doing here (and the fact you've been able to give an explanation that sounds rational, doesn't act as proof that what you've said is correct), but you're not accounting for the possibility that there might be things you're not able to understand. If we're intelligent enough to know that our intelligence is limited, then could it not be possible that some things exist, and some people have experiences that can't be explained, simply because we don't have the terms to be able rationalise them? People have answered your 'what are ghosts?' question by sharing the experiences they've had as they understand them.

And science isn't meant to be a definitive. It's purpose is to help us understand things as well as we're able to, and it progresses as we progress, but it will always be limited because we are. The concept of ghosts requires you to consider that there are things that go past our limit of understanding, so science can only help so much.

Ghosts can be disbelieved, but the only way it can be considered 'fact' that they don't exist, is if you think that as humans, we are the pinnacle of existence and have limitless intelligence (but that would be kind of a dumb thing to think, so...)

[Crimson Dynamo]

People also have a need to rationalise the things around them in terms that they're able to understand, which is what you're doing here (and the fact you've been able to give an explanation that sounds rational, doesn't act as proof that what you've said is correct), but you're not accounting for the possibility that there might be things you're not able to understand. If we're intelligent enough to know that our intelligence is limited, then could it not be possible that some things exist, and some people have experiences that can't be explained, simply because we don't have the terms to be able rationalise them? People have answered your 'what are ghosts?' question by sharing the experiences they've had as they understand them.

And science isn't meant to be a definitive. It's purpose is to help us understand things as well as we're able to, and it progresses as we progress, but it will always be limited because we are. The concept of ghosts requires you to consider that there are things that go past our limit of understanding, so science can only help so much.

Ghosts can be disbelieved, but the only way it can be considered 'fact' that they don't exist, is if you think that as humans, we are the pinnacle of existence and have limitless intelligence (but that would be kind of a dumb thing to think, so...)

and of course that type of argument can be said for goblins, devils and huge galaxy sized sea turtles

the reason science exists in its present form is to create a method to test, analyse and understand.

if someone has good evidence then present it and lets have a look at it and test its validity etc etc


But if you wish to keep an open mind about this noone is stopping anyone but at least look at the current evidence and make an educated judgement. This is what the thread is about its not about being agnostic to everything you come across