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Jack_
11-10-2016, 04:53 PM
So I was just doing a bit of reading and stumbled upon this article. For the record, I'm not sure I agree with the line of argument, but it's an interesting piece all the same and will no doubt spark some debate on here so I thought I'd share it :hee:

Honey G’s X Factor act isn’t funny. It’s modern-day blackface

“H to the O to the N to the E to the Y to the G; it’s Honey G,” bellowed the X Factor contestant Anna Gilford. Her performance of Tupac Shakur’s California Love was dedicated to her people in the “ends”. In case you’re wondering, that would be Harrow in north-west London, or as G calls it, “North Weezy”.

So what can Saturday night terrestrial TV tell us about race in the UK post-Brexit? Last weekend, Strictly Come Dancing was in full swing on BBC1 as contestants cha-cha-chaed their way to a racism row. ITV, on the other hand, had me slack-jawed at the modern-day minstrel show being so gleefully performed by Ms G.

Here were all the hallmarks of the originals from over 150 years ago; the appropriation of black cultural production; the demeaning obsession with black (in this case male) bodies exemplified by thrusting hips and grabbed crotches; and, last but by no means least, the raucous laughter.

From the judges to the studio audience and Twitter users who wanted to prove their individuality by liking something ironically, the amusement seemed to swell, becoming a “new national craze among mums and nans”, as the Mirror reported. The Sun declared that Honey G had “won over fans” with a performance that was “surprisingly entertaining”. “They saved the best for last! Honey G dazzles viewers as she closes first X Factor live show” ran the Daily Mail’s headline. Dazzled is a synonym of stunned, I guess. At least music magazine NME spared some time in asking if “The X Factor’s ‘Genuine Urban Artist’ Honey G is for real?”

In all the coverage and reaction to this woman’s representation of blackness, there was no comment on how reductive her caricature is. Apparently Honey G is just funny and nothing else. Wrong.

Honey G is a symbol of how race operates in the UK. Taken at face value, she is a less-than-mediocre rapper whose subpar performances have nevertheless lobbed her into the limelight. Or she’s a recruitment manager who has decided to create a persona for entertainment’s sake. In the case of the former, I’d say that we’ll know when we’ve reached true equality when black and minority ethnic people can be successful on less-than-middling talent and effort.

If Honey isn’t just another hapless X Factor stock character, the novelty act retained as watercooler fodder because “she’s so terrible but people keep voting her in!”, then this is about a significant section of the viewing public enjoying playing a role in demeaning black culture. And no, that’s not the same as saying Eminem isn’t allowed to rap because he’s white. No one who has listened to that artist can say his place in hip-hop history isn’t deserved. But then what is audible in his work is humility and respect for the music. There’s no trace of either trait in Gilford’s act.

Before Saturday’s performance, Honey invited us into her home or what she called her “crib”. Get it? The parody continued, emphasising her level of wealth, not by showing us her Bugatti or Lamborghini, but instead her “two kettles … and an electric bin”. I now, at least, have a relatable example of bathos used for comedic effect to share with my literature students. Honey G or the show’s producers may well want to ridicule the ostentatious show of wealth many rappers who graced MTV Cribs displayed, but perhaps they might think twice if they had walked in their shoes as black men from the American underclass.

Last week Donald Trump defended his “lewd comments” (what others not busy mincing their words call sexual harassment) by playing the “it’s only bantz” card. “Just a little bit of harmless fun” is the go-to of those crossing a line predicated on the teller not being the butt of their own jokes.

Honey G’s tinfoil gold tracksuit, shades and florid hand gestures betray what the whole act is about: a caricature of blackness as stupid and illicit. If it is not how Gilford herself intended it, it’s certainly the subtext of her affectations. In a Sun exclusive quoting Stephanie Jones, a former university friend of Gilford’s, we can clearly hear the racist undertones of Honey’s performances coming through. Jones “reveals” that “the kind of persona [Gilford] is putting on on The X Factor is very dumbed down”. Gilford is actually “very well spoken” and “smart” and “comes from a decent background”, as though blackness is the antithesis of all listed above. Is that Gilford’s intent or merely her audience’s response to her act? Whichever it is, it remains offensive.

The X factor judge Louis Walsh gushed that Tupac “would be happy” with Honey G’s performance. No, the son of Black Panther activists would not happy. Anyone caring to face facts would see this for what it is: modern-day blackface.

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/11/honey-g-x-factor-blackface-novelty-rapper-post-brexit-uk)

Firewire
11-10-2016, 04:57 PM
So all of the white acts performing Motown songs next week is considered black-face as well?

I don't really know what to say.

Jordan.
11-10-2016, 04:59 PM
I'm actually surprised it took this long for the cultural appropriation crying to start.

MB.
11-10-2016, 05:00 PM
So all of the white acts performing Motown songs next week is considered black-face as well?

I don't really know what to say.

Perched for Ryan blacking up to play Stevie Wonder

Lostie!
11-10-2016, 05:02 PM
I'm actually surprised it took this long for the cultural appropriation crying to start.

Pretty much. :rolleyes:

Crimson Dynamo
11-10-2016, 05:05 PM
"So what can Saturday night terrestrial TV tell us about race in the UK post-Brexit? "

Nothing you dozy guardian **** as the brexit has not happened and we are still part of the European union

Firewire
11-10-2016, 05:05 PM
Perched for Ryan blacking up to play Stevie Wonder

Omg

zakman440
11-10-2016, 05:26 PM
:umm2:

I'm not convinced by the point that article's trying to raise in the slightest. X Factor is a light entertainment show and should be treated as such - outrage for the sake of outrage isn't going to do anything positive.

Withano
11-10-2016, 05:39 PM
So all of the white acts performing Motown songs next week is considered black-face as well?

I don't really know what to say.

hahaha

James
11-10-2016, 05:40 PM
Peak Guardian.

This point about Honey G did actually cross my mind though.

But anyway rap music shouldn't be beyond parody, in the same way Rock music was fair game for something like Spinal Tap.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo
11-10-2016, 05:42 PM
So all of the white acts performing Motown songs next week is considered black-face as well?

I don't really know what to say.

No it will be given a new name like Blue eye'd soul :amazed: Oh..wait

Headie
11-10-2016, 06:41 PM
Screaming

Brother Leon
11-10-2016, 08:33 PM
It's not racist, but it isn't funny in the slightest either. Bit of a joke that the show has never bothered to have an actual talented rapper on the show like the USA version, yet have given us this joke.

Marsh.
11-10-2016, 11:59 PM
She reminds me of a more talented Eminem though?

Shaun
12-10-2016, 01:33 AM
She isn't funny. I don't get how people can lap up the same old joke week in and week out.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters
12-10-2016, 01:43 AM
have any of the novelty acts ever been funny :worry:

Shaun
12-10-2016, 01:51 AM
Diva Fever and Wagner changed lives

and Johnny Robinson is a YouTube sensation

Fetch The Bolt Cutters
12-10-2016, 01:52 AM
omg his rubberband girl mv

Fetch The Bolt Cutters
12-10-2016, 01:52 AM
lucas has never looked so good

Jordan.
12-10-2016, 02:01 AM
She isn't funny. I don't get how people can lap up the same old joke week in and week out.

Diva Fever and Wagner changed lives

http://i.imgur.com/tiUJUA2.gif

Alf
12-10-2016, 02:37 AM
They had to get a bit of trashing of Trump in to that article about UK Saturday night telly, it's law now to do so in the mainstream media.

kirklancaster
12-10-2016, 04:33 AM
I just don't get this woman at all, and I cannot understand the virtual worship of her.

I agree with a lot of what the author of the article says, and think that 'Honey G' is a persona created as the musical equivalent of Sacha Baron Cohen's 'Ali G' - except 'musical' she most certainly ain't.

She is not 'funny' either, and the fact that she has progressed through this 'joke' of a 'competition' to the stage where she is now - at the expense of genuinely talented singers - means the REAL 'joke' is on us.

I totally agree with Brother Leon; "Bit of a joke that the show has never bothered to have an actual talented rapper on the show like the USA version, yet have given us this joke."
.

Withano
12-10-2016, 11:17 AM
Honey G Aka Anna Gilford who is a middle-class, former competitive tennis player from Harrow, who has a masters degree in management and runs her own recruitment company.I have a theory. Look at her she's most likely a comedian who's doing a Peter Kay Geraldine type thing. She will make fortunes afterwards selling her story on how she created a fictitious person called Honey G and infiltrated the #Xfactor. Genius if you ask me. Simon Cowell has been cat fished.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14520595_1047908861993652_4305135026311656864_n.jp g?oh=227f861d27332cca66494ebf8c365b54&oe=58A501C8

Withano
12-10-2016, 11:17 AM
Some facebook famous person wrote all that, no idea if theres any truth in any of it

Niamh.
12-10-2016, 11:17 AM
stupid show

kirklancaster
12-10-2016, 11:26 AM
stupid show

I'm afraid that you are so correct - It has become all so pointless.

Niamh.
12-10-2016, 11:28 AM
I'm afraid that you are so correct - It has become all so pointless.

I haven't watched it since the series Matt Cardle won but it just happened to come on TV at the weekend after something i was watching so I let it on, it was Sharons judges house bit, I watched up until she chose Honey G and sent home some great talent..........yup totally remembered why i stopped watching :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo
12-10-2016, 11:31 AM
I haven't watched it since the series Matt Cardle won but it just happened to come on TV at the weekend after something i was watching so I let it on, it was Sharons judges house bit, I watched up until she chose Honey G and sent home some great talent..........yup totally remembered why i stopped watching :laugh:

so you stopped watching because the show did not agree with your opinion?

Niamh.
12-10-2016, 11:39 AM
so you stopped watching because the show did not agree with your opinion?

I stopped watching for a number of reasons :

because I don't like how they humiliate people in the auditions
because I didn't like how it was all about the judges and their relationships with eachother more than the contestants and often at the expense of the contestants
because I hate Simon Smug Cowell
because stuff that happened every year became repetitive and boring to me
because I felt manipulated by the show alot
because I don't like that they send home talented acts in favour of joke acts

etc etc etc

Crimson Dynamo
12-10-2016, 11:41 AM
I stopped watching for a number of reasons :

because I don't like how they humiliate people in the auditions
because I didn't like how it was all about the judges and their relationships with eachother more than the contestants and often at the expense of the contestants
because I hate Simon Smug Cowell
because stuff that happened every year became repetitive and boring to me
because I felt manipulated by the show alot
because I don't like that they send him talented acts in favour of joke acts

etc etc etc

:think: quite a lot of anger there neem. I think you should quit the forum for personal reasons?

Niamh.
12-10-2016, 11:47 AM
:think: quite a lot of anger there neem. I think you should quit the forum for personal reasons?

I think you should quit you jibber jabber before you feel the wrath of my anger LT :hee:

Crimson Dynamo
12-10-2016, 11:57 AM
I think you should quit you jibber jabber before you feel the wrath of my anger LT :hee:

:dog:

kirklancaster
12-10-2016, 12:19 PM
I think you should quit you jibber jabber before you feel the wrath of my anger LT :hee:

:joker::joker::joker: He IS mental. :hee:

Kazanne
12-10-2016, 01:49 PM
I haven't watched it since the series Matt Cardle won but it just happened to come on TV at the weekend after something i was watching so I let it on, it was Sharons judges house bit, I watched up until she chose Honey G and sent home some great talent..........yup totally remembered why i stopped watching :laugh:

I stopped watching it too,it is nothing but a farce now,I hope the Voice is better.

Niamh.
12-10-2016, 01:54 PM
I stopped watching it too,it is nothing but a farce now,I hope the Voice is better.

Well I loved The Voice on BBC, I just hope that ITV don't ruin it and turn it into another X Factor

armand.kay
12-10-2016, 01:56 PM
The gag is that most people I know who speak and act the way she does are white. Whoever wrote this article is the type of wingy 'activists' i just cannot stand.

GoldHeart
12-10-2016, 04:21 PM
So I was just doing a bit of reading and stumbled upon this article. For the record, I'm not sure I agree with the line of argument, but it's an interesting piece all the same and will no doubt spark some debate on here so I thought I'd share it :hee:



The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/11/honey-g-x-factor-blackface-novelty-rapper-post-brexit-uk)

My god I'm so glad I'm not watching crappy xfactor this year. Honey b or t or whatever the hell she calls herself is just a joke act period. There's nothing racist regarding her act it's just a terrible 90's rap impression :facepalm::bored: .

It's like she's trying to be youthful but she's just a joke act embarrassing herself, she can't rap or perform and the clip I saw on YouTube gave me a headache

The dancers are there to distract in general for entertainment it's like when Stevie had women prancing around him a few years ago :sleep:

Greg!
12-10-2016, 05:54 PM
It never crossed my mind that she was racist, I thought she was making fun of crap white rappers (or she's being serious)

Crimson Dynamo
12-10-2016, 05:58 PM
What's is actually wrong with taking the piss out of crap black rappers?

Idgi

GoldHeart
12-10-2016, 11:20 PM
What's is actually wrong with taking the piss out of crap black rappers?

Idgi

I'm pretty sure she's a talentless bad copy of any rapper's from the 90's. she's rubbish full stop there's nothing racist going on with her i'm pretty sure she's self deluded and thinks "she's cool and down with the kids" :notimpressed::facepalm:

in her head she probably thinks she sounds exactly like vanilla ice, will smith ,mc hammer lol she's a nutcase

Oliver_W
13-10-2016, 09:10 AM
That kind of BS can only come from The Guardian tbh.

zakman440
27-10-2016, 06:09 PM
She's now being compared to Donald Trump:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2016/oct/27/honey-g-and-trump-d-spot-the-difference-trump-x-factor?CMP=twt_gu

Cal.
27-10-2016, 07:09 PM
Why do people care so much, really?

She's bored with her normality so she's trying to get herself a media career so she can earn some cash to start enjoying life.

reece(:
27-10-2016, 07:36 PM
This will only make people save Legend G more.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters
27-10-2016, 07:37 PM
winner

Greg!
27-10-2016, 07:44 PM
She's now being compared to Donald Trump:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2016/oct/27/honey-g-and-trump-d-spot-the-difference-trump-x-factor?CMP=twt_gu

I'm screaming is this a serious article or are they joking

Greg!
27-10-2016, 07:45 PM
I've been giving ha 5 votes every single week. I love how fuming people get when she stays :love:

T*
29-10-2016, 07:50 PM
I thought I was posting in the actual X factor thread wtf happened on tapatalk

joeysteele
29-10-2016, 09:47 PM
It isn't a serous talent show any more, even moreseo with this awful Honey G on it.
I am fed up of both her and her smug attitude as well as as the programme really building her up too.

For me she is totally talentless,awful I cannot stand the woman.

zakman440
04-11-2016, 04:19 PM
Seems as if Honey G is The Guardian's new obsession - there's another comment piece on her:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/04/honey-g-joke-x-factor-rapping

Withano
04-11-2016, 04:31 PM
winner

This

Brillopad
06-11-2016, 03:17 PM
I haven't watched it since the series Matt Cardle won but it just happened to come on TV at the weekend after something i was watching so I let it on, it was Sharons judges house bit, I watched up until she chose Honey G and sent home some great talent..........yup totally remembered why i stopped watching :laugh:

You and me both. Watch bits now and again, but fed-up with the talentless, so-called novelty acts being promoted as different and entertaining. Nope - just boring!

kirklancaster
06-11-2016, 03:40 PM
It isn't a serous talent show any more, even moreseo with this awful Honey G on it.
I am fed up of both her and her smug attitude as well as as the programme really building her up too.

For me she is totally talentless,awful I cannot stand the woman.

:joker: Ha Ha - Just came across this. We have to stop this Joey, we are agreeing too much. :laugh:

kirklancaster
06-11-2016, 03:40 PM
It isn't a serous talent show any more, even moreseo with this awful Honey G on it.
I am fed up of both her and her smug attitude as well as as the programme really building her up too.

For me she is totally talentless,awful I cannot stand the woman.

:joker: Ha Ha - Just came across this. We have to stop this Joey, we are agreeing too much. :laugh: