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Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
In the Times story, Leeds alleges that Trump, whom she says she had never met before, grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while the two were on an airplane more than three decades ago. Crooks, who worked in Trump Tower at a company that Trump did not own, says Trump kissed her outside an elevator after she introduced herself.
The Times report comes in the wake of the release of a 2005 recording in which Trump boasted about being able to kiss women and grope them in ways that would amount to sexual assault.
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List of sexual assault allegations so far:
The Floodgates Are Open on Trump Sexual Assault Allegations
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/10/12/trump_sexual_assault_allegations_the_floodgates_ar e_open.html
Northern Monkey
13-10-2016, 04:31 AM
:joker: wonder how much she's been paid to say this.Very convenient timing.
...I don't have time to read the whole story but as much as I think he's a fairly grim human being..I'm quite sceptical of these stories atm as well...
Jamie89
13-10-2016, 06:32 AM
It's a shame that this isn't even surprising. Why isn't it shocking and unexpected that a presidential candidate is accused of sexual assault? Oh, because it's Trump
i am very sceptical of this allegation. The public are also not stupid, and when they hear this, support will go straight back to Trump
Johnnyuk123
13-10-2016, 06:56 AM
Two words....
Bill Clinton.
I rest my case.:hee:
Other stories have come out as well. Not sure if they are logged in the other link yet or not.
5 women accuse Donald Trump of forcibly groping, kissing them
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-women-trump-20161012-story.html
A third woman says Trump groped her rear end at his Mar-a-Lago resort 13 years ago, the Palm Beach Post reported. The fourth, then a People magazine reporter, says Trump kissed her without her consent when the two were alone in 2005 right before an interview she was about to conduct with Trump and his wife. The fifth, Miss Washington 2013, said in a Facebook post that Trump groped her and invited her to his hotel room.
But in each of the first three instances, the newspapers spoke to people close to the women -- a universe that includes friends, family members, significant others and colleagues -- who verified that they told them their stories about what they say happened months or years ago. In the fourth, the reporter wrote a detailed first-person account on People's website of what she says happened.
Mindy McGillivray, 36, told the Palm Beach Post that Trump groped her rear end at Mar-a-Lago in 2003 when she was there accompanying a photographer friend who was shooting a Ray Charles concert.
"All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge. I think it's Ken's camera bag, that was my first instinct. I turn around and there's Donald. He sort of looked away quickly. I quickly turned back, facing Ray Charles, and I'm stunned," she said.
"Ken" is Ken Davidoff, the photographer, with whom the paper also spoke. Davidoff said he did not witness the alleged incident but recalled that McGillivray told him about it right after it happened.
I'm not surprised really. When Trump was asked at the live debate whether he'd done any of the things he said in his comments and he said "No", I immediately thought if there was anything to it, then perhaps the women would start coming out of the woodwork post-debate... I don't know. If I were an actual victim, I would feel really victimized and enraged by someone's ability to go on TV pretending like nothing happened...
Though I do wish orgs like the NYT and other media outlets would go after more fundamental stories with as much zeal as they go after Donald Trump... might need to buy stock in the NYT if this keeps up. :laugh:
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
13-10-2016, 07:32 AM
Two words....
Bill Clinton.
I rest my case.:hee:
Your case fails. He's not running.
Crimson Dynamo
13-10-2016, 07:50 AM
I feel sorry for the real victims of sexual assault as cheap stuff like this makes it harder for them to come forward and be taken seriously
tbf it's not that great a leap to think that someone who boasted about carrying out sexual assaults might actually have carried out a sexual assault
Kazanne
13-10-2016, 08:28 AM
The bloke might be a first class twit,but really suspicious as to how these women are coming forward NOW,there must be some large amounts of money wafting about,not sure I believe any accustations that come out now.
Northern Monkey
13-10-2016, 08:43 AM
The bloke might be a first class twit,but really suspicious as to how these women are coming forward NOW,there must be some large amounts of money wafting about,not sure I believe any accustations that come out now.
Me too.If this had come out before he even thought about running then it might be believable.
I'm no Trump fan but the corruption from the Clinton campaign in this election almost makes me want to root for him and if i as an outsider spectating this mess feel like that then i reckon alot of the American people who are more emotionally involved will feel that much more strongly.I think people as a whole these days are sick of the system getting what it wants however it can and may go out and give it a bloody nose.I think these tactics may backfire on Kilary.
Withano
13-10-2016, 08:49 AM
Two words....
Bill Clinton.
I rest my case.:hee:
Sexual assault is fine because bill clinton?
Murder is fine because hitler?
I dont understand you case.. Unless.. are you a Trump fan trying to find a way to excuse him? Otherwise your case makes no sense?
Niamh.
13-10-2016, 08:50 AM
tbf it's not that great a leap to think that someone who boasted about carrying out sexual assaults might actually have carried out a sexual assault
What logic :clap2:
jaxie
13-10-2016, 10:01 AM
What makes me wary of these accusations is that they seem to come from quite professional women. Why weren't they reporting those incidents immediately? Why wait until now? They are not exactly heroine addicts who might not have been believed. It doesn't really ring true for them to suddenly surface now. Then again I always wondered how Jimmy Saville got away with so much.
Vicky.
13-10-2016, 10:44 AM
tbf it's not that great a leap to think that someone who boasted about carrying out sexual assaults might actually have carried out a sexual assault
Indeed. I can't help thinking some of these may be looking for their few minutes of fame though, or a payout. Similar to some of the allegations about older celebs that we had recently..
Vicky.
13-10-2016, 10:45 AM
And I can't stand Trump and find him to be a creepy ****er aswell. Its just..so many people keeping quiet until now. Its unlikely that noone said anything at the time if he really abused so many
^ People said the same about Saville, Bill Cosby etc. though
Like Maru said, it might well have been Trump's denial that he had ever done the things he boasted about which has angered these women and prompted them to come forward. They might also think they'd be more likely to be believed now than at the time, its no secret really that the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported and like Trump said 'when you're a star you can do what you want' safe in the knowledge that you probably never will have to face any consequences for it
UserSince2005
13-10-2016, 11:45 AM
touched by and angel - the true story
Crimson Dynamo
13-10-2016, 11:50 AM
^ People said the same about Saville, Bill Cosby etc. though
Like Maru said, it might well have been Trump's denial that he had ever done the things he boasted about which has angered these women and prompted them to come forward. They might also think they'd be more likely to be believed now than at the time, its no secret really that the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported and like Trump said 'when you're a star you can do what you want' safe in the knowledge that you probably never will have to face any consequences for it
And he is a litigious billionaire
of the list of people you do not probably wish to take on
thats got to be near the top of the list
Vicky.
13-10-2016, 11:54 AM
^ People said the same about Saville, Bill Cosby etc. though
Like Maru said, it might well have been Trump's denial that he had ever done the things he boasted about which has angered these women and prompted them to come forward. They might also think they'd be more likely to be believed now than at the time, its no secret really that the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported and like Trump said 'when you're a star you can do what you want' safe in the knowledge that you probably never will have to face any consequences for it
Don't know anything about Cosby, but the people who Saville abused did say something but the police covered it up? Unless you suspect this has happened again here though I guess.
Also about Trump..I keep hearing he currently has an ongoing case of being accused of assaulting a teen girl :S I do think he is dodgy, but I always find it dodgy when so many people come out in waves and go to the press instead of the police too
Jamie89
13-10-2016, 12:25 PM
I feel sorry for the real victims of sexual assault as cheap stuff like this makes it harder for them to come forward and be taken seriously
Women coming forward saying they've been sexually assaulted makes it harder for other women to come forward about sexual assault?? I think it's more the fact that people are so immediately suspicious of accusers (as your post demonstrates) that makes it difficult.
Many victims don't come forward when they're sexually assaulted and as has been said in the thread already, I find it realistic to assume that his comments during the debate would drive any possible victims to come forward.
Obviously they could all be lying too we don't know, but I don't think they should be dismissed just because it's politically convenient to do so. Like you say, it's hard enough for women to come forward as it is.
What makes me wary of these accusations is that they seem to come from quite professional women. Why weren't they reporting those incidents immediately? Why wait until now? They are not exactly heroine addicts who might not have been believed. It doesn't really ring true for them to suddenly surface now. Then again I always wondered how Jimmy Saville got away with so much.
Being professional women could mean that they feared for their careers (I think some of them worked for Trump?) or being disbelieved and losing the credibility they had as professional/respected women. A professional women is also probably going to be more aware of what they'd face in taking him on in court. A heroin addict with nothing to lose on the other hand would probably be much more likely to come forward and try and make money out of the situation imo.
If he did abuse these women, then right now is the first time since their abuse that it's been publicly demonstrated that he considers abuse against women to be acceptable, so I think it's completely understandable that if they were to come forward at all, it would be now.
Niamh.
13-10-2016, 12:50 PM
Women coming forward saying they've been sexually assaulted makes it harder for other women to come forward about sexual assault?? I think it's more the fact that people are so immediately suspicious of accusers (as your post demonstrates) that makes it difficult.
Many victims don't come forward when they're sexually assaulted and as has been said in the thread already, I find it realistic to assume that his comments during the debate would drive any possible victims to come forward.
Obviously they could all be lying too we don't know, but I don't think they should be dismissed just because it's politically convenient to do so. Like you say, it's hard enough for women to come forward as it is.
Being professional women could mean that they feared for their careers (I think some of them worked for Trump?) or being disbelieved and losing the credibility they had as professional/respected women. A professional women is also probably going to be more aware of what they'd face in taking him on in court. A heroin addict with nothing to lose on the other hand would probably be much more likely to come forward and try and make money out of the situation imo.
If he did abuse these women, then right now is the first time since their abuse that it's been publicly demonstrated that he considers abuse against women to be acceptable, so I think it's completely understandable that if they were to come forward at all, it would be now.
To add to that I think it's far more likely that if Trump sexually abused women then it would be professional women that he would have had everyday contact with. I can't see him being around many street junkies or whatever
Jessica.
13-10-2016, 12:54 PM
They're probably telling the truth tbh, who would have believed them before? Now they have other victims to back them up.
the truth
13-10-2016, 01:07 PM
if there was an ounce of legitimacy to these lurid tales , theyd have taken it up with the cops donkeys years ago...one of the so called assaults was he pinched my botton in 1991? ffs fck off
Tom4784
13-10-2016, 01:15 PM
More nails in his coffin :clap1:
Northern Monkey
13-10-2016, 01:30 PM
if there was an ounce of legitimacy to these lurid tales , theyd have taken it up with the cops donkeys years ago...one of the so called assaults was he pinched my botton in 1991? ffs fck off
:joker:
Shaun
13-10-2016, 02:24 PM
"let me pinch any arse i want!" - the truth's election slogan in 2020
GiRTh
13-10-2016, 07:43 PM
Physically Attacked by Donald Trump – a PEOPLE Writer’s Own Harrowing Story (http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/)
Interesting piece on what happened when Natasha Stoynoff interviewed Trump for People magazine in 2005.
the truth
13-10-2016, 11:10 PM
deary me what a prat
All these accusations whether true are false are completely missing the point. People don't support Trump because he is a nice guy. People support him largely because he isn't Clinton. If he wins it will because people have rejected Clinton and the establishment that she represents.
GiRTh
13-10-2016, 11:37 PM
The number has gone up to ten.
Liberty4eva
14-10-2016, 05:58 AM
Dirty Clinton tactics. The one where the woman said she sat next to Trump on an airplane 30 years ago and he touched her is a beauty. It just so happens to take place with less than a month to go? Trying to make the race about mud instead of issues. His supporters are beginning to realize that the media is out to get him. It's Trump and supporters vs the establishment and the drooling prozac sheeple.
Jessica Leeds had a lengthier interview (a whopping 30 minutes) with Anderson Cooper tonight on the telly. I only caught the end on TV so had to find it on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yoNUWOdkGU
"Criticism?" "I'm not responding to or looking at emails I don't recognize. I know there are people out there that this is a hot button issue for them and they're angry, but I'm not going to wallow in it."
This lady is me.
The number has gone up to ten.
Yeah even if half of those claims are false claims, that's pretty substantial.
All these accusations whether true are false are completely missing the point. People don't support Trump because he is a nice guy. People support him largely because he isn't Clinton. If he wins it will because people have rejected Clinton and the establishment that she represents.
..that's what makes it the point for me as well though...that so much is lost in an 'anti vote'.../not looking or focusing on what the 'anti' is but it's ant so it'll do and thank you very much, our guy Trump is the one...the one for what though..?...the one to bring about a change to an establishment so represented by Hilary..?...well that doesn't make sense that he could ever do that when what he represents is so much a step back in time...this whole thing just makes me feel so sad and deflated...could it happen that a male candidate who was 'establishment', who was a bit dodgy in terms of some corrupt stuff to pursue their career and etc etc...could become President of the USA..well yes, because it's happened, that's all such a part of what's created 'the establishment' surely..that people are so against..?...but if a female candidate had such allegations against her and had joked about sexually assaulting males because of her 'celebrity and power'.../oh yes, I just walk right up to them and grab their penis, I don't even wait.../and said that walls should be built to isolate and rallied up intolerances in her speeches and said that she would pay for medical bills if physical violence was felt appropriate...could that female still become president...?...hmmmm, I would say, very doubtful....
Northern Monkey
16-10-2016, 07:25 AM
..that's what makes it the point for me as well though...that so much is lost in an 'anti vote'.../not looking or focusing on what the 'anti' is but it's ant so it'll do and thank you very much, our guy Trump is the one...the one for what though..?...the one to bring about a change to an establishment so represented by Hilary..?...well that doesn't make sense that he could ever do that when what he represents is so much a step back in time...this whole thing just makes me feel so sad and deflated...could it happen that a male candidate who was 'establishment', who was a bit dodgy in terms of some corrupt stuff to pursue their career and etc etc...could become President of the USA..well yes, because it's happened, that's all such a part of what's created 'the establishment' surely..that people are so against..?...but if a female candidate had such allegations against her and had joked about sexually assaulting males because of her 'celebrity and power'.../oh yes, I just walk right up to them and grab their penis, I don't even wait.../and said that walls should be built to isolate and rallied up intolerances in her speeches and said that she would pay for medical bills if physical violence was felt appropriate...could that female still become president...?...hmmmm, I would say, very doubtful....Hilary already said she wanted the wall before Trump.....
/mhXu8IvVp2g
...phew, just lucky for her that she didn't incite prejudice/fear/stereotype etc by talking about those Mexican rapists/criminals/drug dealers that come over across the boarders...but that's ok because it gets people talking about boarder control.../that's a good old Trump thing..regardless of the feelings it incites in a country and consequences of that...
Jamie89
16-10-2016, 07:53 AM
Hilary already said she wanted the wall before Trump.....
/mhXu8IvVp2g
It's partly true but it's not really the same as what Trump said. She voted in favour of blocking part of the border, Trump wants to block off the whole border, and the main issue people had with him on it anyway wasn't even the wall but the fact he labelled Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists and used that as a selling point. He was trying to rally prejudice against them. So yeah Hillary voted for a partial wall, but it's not equal to Trump imo.
Northern Monkey
16-10-2016, 07:53 AM
...phew, just lucky for her that she didn't incite prejudice/fear/stereotype etc by talking about those Mexican rapists/criminals/drug dealers that come over across the boarders...but that's ok because it gets people talking about boarder control.../that's a good old Trump thing..regardless of the feelings it incites in a country and consequences of that...
The rapists/criminals/drug dealers who cross illegally are the ones he wants to stop though or should he just tip toe around the issue?
Johnnyuk123
16-10-2016, 07:57 AM
How long before we get the I'm Donald Trumps love child headline? or...Donald took a dump in my bathroom 1985 and didn't flush. or... Donald Trump trumped in my face in 1992?
The Clinton clan are so very very desperate for the win who knows what stories they will come up with next?
...phew, just lucky for her that she didn't incite prejudice/fear/stereotype etc by talking about those Mexican rapists/criminals/drug dealers that come over across the boarders...but that's ok because it gets people talking about boarder control.../that's a good old Trump thing..regardless of the feelings it incites in a country and consequences of that...
I struggle to see any redeemable qualities in Trump at all, but I've felt that way about him for as long as I can remember, I didn't need to hear the accusations made against him to form that opinion.
I can repeat the same view about Clinton. My threshold for acceptable must be significantly lower than many other people, because once someone is not acceptable for me, that's it, there are no shades of one is or isn't more unacceptable than another. That's what I struggle with the most with this presidential race. If both candidates are unacceptable, then they wouldn't be getting my vote. I don't see why that isn't the view of the majority of the American people. If people don't vote, neither have a mandate and therefore the establishment needs to provide candidates that do meet the required standard. People shouldn't have to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich
The rapists/criminals/drug dealers who cross illegally are the ones he wants to stop though or should he just tip toe around the issue?
..I'm not really sure what the issue is because in the definition of preventing 'illegal', that would all come under Hilary's reason's for boarder control and illegal immigration...the USA doesn't say...come on drug dealers, rapists, criminals etc and welcome them openly...all he is doing is inciting a stereotype and prejudice out of fear...the wording alone in what he says/the inference of his wording/the wording of a world leader is oh so all important as a job requirement I would say....
Jamie89
16-10-2016, 08:05 AM
How long before we get the I'm Donald Trumps love child headline? or...Donald took a dump in my bathroom 1985 and didn't flush. or... Donald Trump trumped in my face in 1992?
The Clinton clan are so very very desperate for the win who knows what stories they will come up with next?
Even if Clinton is desperate to win, that doesn't invalidate peoples claims that they've been abused by Trump or automatically make them false. There have been 'desperate' claims made on Trumps side too, for example the 'Hillary = rape enabler' thing. I'd guess both sides are pretty desperate (and Hillary, yeah if I was running against Trump I'd be desperate not to lose :laugh: ) but I still think women (and men) should be taken seriously when they claim they've been abused.
I struggle to see any redeemable qualities in Trump at all, but I've felt that way about him for as long as I can remember, I didn't need to hear the accusations made against him to form that opinion.
I can repeat the same view about Clinton. My threshold for acceptable must be significantly lower than many other people, because once someone is not acceptable for me, that's it, there are no shades of one is or isn't more unacceptable than another. That's what I struggle with the most with this presidential race. If both candidates are unacceptable, then they wouldn't be getting my vote. I don't see why that isn't the view of the majority of the American people. If people don't vote, neither have a mandate and therefore the establishment needs to provide candidates that do meet the required standard. People shouldn't have to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich
...well maybe Americans and other countries feel similar when we have a General Election...?..that they can't see any positives in either candidate....I can't really decide whether I would vote or not tbh...the whole concept of not voting in something so important just doesn't sit right with me and it would be an impossible of an actual reality for all citizens in aa country to down voting cards and refuse to vote...I think the prospect for the future 4 years will be grim either way but I guess what would be a decider for me is that the future 4 years with Hilary wouldn't be as regressive...all of the 'anti PC' that Trump seems to be anti against is all of the very worst in history that we had stepped forward from/or have been trying to and striving for....
JTM45
16-10-2016, 08:59 AM
I have little to no admiration for Hillary Clinton but The World and The US in particular will end up in an far, far worse state even than it is now with a clueless, loudmouthed, xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal bigot like Trump as President!
At least we had the sense and foresight to make sure a guffawing twat like Farage never got the chance to dupe anyone that mattered into taking him seriously enough to ever let him near any serious power!
Never mind. When Trump is defeated next month and inevitably ends up having to declare himself bankrupt again and his wife files for divorce because she can't stand pretending that she isn't revolted by him any longer maybe his pal Farage will let him sleep on his sofa (as long as Farage has a home abroad 'cause we don't want Trump living over here, or even visiting more than is at all possible!).
Trump is already a known to be bad joke but the difference is that by this time next month he'll have the paperwork to prove it.
I hope Clinton goes after him for every single cent of the Tax he's evaded over the years too.
It really shows just how low the US has sunk that these two 'candidates' are supposedly the best America has to put forward as their potential leader.
Donald Trump has been famous for years, a story like this would have made massive headlines before he ran for president, so why now just weeks before the election?
And why were people with-holding this information? If they knew this was going on, why didn't they report him, and if they did, why was it covered up?
Is it just coincidence that these revelations came out just as the wiki leaks revelations about Hillary came out?
Crimson Dynamo
16-10-2016, 02:03 PM
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Shocking
the truth
16-10-2016, 03:31 PM
so 2 days after trump exposes bill clinton, the clintons expose trump with these mostly overblown exaggerated or damn right false allegations? coincidence? she is avoiding the issues way more than trump
Tom4784
16-10-2016, 03:46 PM
Trump 'exposes' Bill Clinton and his fans cheer. The world exposes Trump and his fans call foul. A bit strange that.
GiRTh
16-10-2016, 05:17 PM
Trump 'exposes' Bill Clinton and his fans cheer. The world exposes Trump and his fans call foul. A bit strange that.Exactly. If we are to discredit the Trump accusers then we must surely discredit the Clinton accusers too but that doesn't seem to be happening. Both men have a awful past with women so I don't see how anyone can defend either of them TBH.
Of course the timing is to coincide with the Wiki leaks release. :shrug: When the camera cut to Bill Clinton's stern face at last Sundays debate when Trump was bringing up Bill's indiscretions; I think that was the moment war was declared by the Clintons on Trump. I would doubt Trump has anywhere near the resources of the Clinton political machine so expect more stories and more scandal.
Trump should have kept Bill Clinton name out of his mouth. I thought it was going to be a poor move to bring up Bills accusers but when, at the debate, Trump recalled the names it bought it all back to me and how badly the Clintons have treated women. Now we have the backlash and Trump will do well to deny every story they're gonna break on him.
Exactly. If we are to discredit the Trump accusers then we must surely discredit the Clinton accusers too but that doesn't seem to be happening. Both men have a awful past with women so I don't see how anyone can defend either of them TBH.
Of course the timing is to coincide with the Wiki leaks release. :shrug: When the camera cut to Bill Clinton's stern face at last Sundays debate when Trump was bringing up Bill's indiscretions; I think that was the moment war was declared by the Clintons on Trump. I would doubt Trump has anywhere near the resources of the Clinton political machine so expect more stories and more scandal.
Trump should have kept Bill Clinton name out of his mouth. I thought it was going to be a poor move to bring up Bills accusers but when, at the debate, Trump recalled the names it bought it all back to me and how badly the Clintons have treated women. Now we have the backlash and Trump will do well to deny every story they're gonna break on him.
It's all a bit petty really. For either to set an example to the nation they need to get beyond the smear campaign at some point to make a case. That's all that seems to get covered on the news these days, not the good things we are doing as a nation, but all the little smear campaigns each party is running against the other and other various public jabs…
Trump we know is the Mudking, but Clinton (Hillary) wants it so bad, she doesn't care how low it goes as long as she wins… despite its negative effect on the morale of our country. However, she's playing it very smart and making sure to have other people do her dirty work for her (like Miss Obama, Alicia Machado)... I've noticed that a lot on Twitter as well, she’ll grab onto other figures who are anti-Trump, popularize their message and then borrow some from the list of Trump enemies turned supporters as messaging to sway the vote from Trump... she could run for election for several years just picking off people off the list of people Trump has made an enemy alone.
In a way, she has no choice, because losing the election to Trump could be worse beyond the effects of a smear campaign… but still, it doesn’t speak to their quality that they have to go to this level just to remain politically viable.
It’s balancing out in a way. During the primaries, it was Trump TV 24/7 and Hillary's running was just an inevitable reality... yeah, whatever she wants to president, what else is new... post-primary she's done a good job at least being front and center with regards to the Trump narrative, though all they still want to talk about is Trump...
Crimson Dynamo
16-10-2016, 05:36 PM
Trump 'exposes' Bill Clinton and his fans cheer. The world exposes Trump and his fans call foul. A bit strange that.
Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury before a grand jury and obstruction of justice
Prey tell what crime Trump was convicted of?
GiRTh
16-10-2016, 05:50 PM
It's all a bit petty really. For either to set an example to the nation they need to get beyond the smear campaign at some point to make a case. That's all that seems to get covered on the news these days, not the good things we are doing as a nation, but all the little smear campaigns each party is running against the other and other various public jabs…
Trump we know is the Mudking, but Clinton (Hillary) wants it so bad, she doesn't care how low it goes as long as she wins… despite its negative effect on the morale of our country. However, she's playing it very smart and making sure to have other people do her dirty work for her (like Miss Obama, Alicia Machado)... I've noticed that a lot on Twitter as well, she’ll grab onto other figures who are anti-Trump, popularize their message and then borrow some from the list of Trump enemies turned supporters as messaging to sway the vote from Trump... she could run for election for several years just picking off people off the list of people Trump has made an enemy alone.
In a way, she has no choice, because losing the election to Trump could be worse beyond the effects of a smear campaign… but still, it doesn’t speak to their quality that they have to go to this level just to remain politically viable.
It’s balancing out in a way. During the primaries, it was Trump TV 24/7 and Hillary's running was just an inevitable reality... yeah, whatever she wants to president, what else is new... post-primary she's done a good job at least being front and center with regards to the Trump narrative, though all they still want to talk about is Trump...It has been said in various news outlets that Steve Bannon and the Trump inner circle wanted to turn Bill Clinton into Bill Cosby but it looks like its the other way round; his candidate is the one with the growing number of charges.
Also note Trumps wikipedia page now has its own subsection on his sexual misconduct; no such section exists on Bill Clintons page. Seems a bit biased IMO. :shrug:
It has been said in various news outlets that Steve Bannon and the Trump inner circle wanted to turn Bill Clinton into Bill Cosby but it looks like its the other way round; his candidate is the one with the growing number of charges.
Also note Trumps wikipedia page now has its own subsection on his sexual misconduct; no such section exists on Bill Clintons page. Seems a bit biased IMO. :shrug:
Yeah if Trump weren't running, I think it would be the top story. I think some reasons people don't check into it, because one they've already decided who to vote for and two because Trump brought it up at a time when he was having to defend off his own list of accusers when he has a proven track record of inventing things to deflect from the truth..
Tom4784
16-10-2016, 09:05 PM
Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury before a grand jury and obstruction of justice
Prey tell what crime Trump was convicted of?
And what does that have to do with the allegations Trump has accused him of? Nothing I'm guessing.
kirklancaster
16-10-2016, 09:31 PM
It's all a bit petty really. For either to set an example to the nation they need to get beyond the smear campaign at some point to make a case. That's all that seems to get covered on the news these days, not the good things we are doing as a nation, but all the little smear campaigns each party is running against the other and other various public jabs…
Trump we know is the Mudking, but Clinton (Hillary) wants it so bad, she doesn't care how low it goes as long as she wins… despite its negative effect on the morale of our country. However, she's playing it very smart and making sure to have other people do her dirty work for her (like Miss Obama, Alicia Machado)... I've noticed that a lot on Twitter as well, she’ll grab onto other figures who are anti-Trump, popularize their message and then borrow some from the list of Trump enemies turned supporters as messaging to sway the vote from Trump... she could run for election for several years just picking off people off the list of people Trump has made an enemy alone.
In a way, she has no choice, because losing the election to Trump could be worse beyond the effects of a smear campaign… but still, it doesn’t speak to their quality that they have to go to this level just to remain politically viable.
It’s balancing out in a way. During the primaries, it was Trump TV 24/7 and Hillary's running was just an inevitable reality... yeah, whatever she wants to president, what else is new... post-primary she's done a good job at least being front and center with regards to the Trump narrative, though all they still want to talk about is Trump...
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Johnnyuk123
16-10-2016, 09:54 PM
In 1987 Donald Trump is shown on camera shaking the hand of a female. She reported him last week for sexual harassment. :shrug:
GiRTh
16-10-2016, 10:01 PM
In 1987 Donald Trump is shown on camera shaking the hand of a female. She reported him last week for sexual harassment. :shrug:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
GiRTh
16-10-2016, 10:40 PM
Also note Trumps wikipedia page now has its own subsection on his sexual misconduct; no such section exists on Bill Clintons page. Seems a bit biased IMO. :shrug:No longer correct. There is now section detailing Bills sexual misconduct.
No longer correct. There is now section detailing Bills sexual misconduct.
thats because anyone can add content. Hilary's campaign team have probably been busy updating Donald's page :laugh:
Johnnyuk123
17-10-2016, 07:33 AM
Interesting...
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you really need to start linking to quality sources Johnny
GiRTh
17-10-2016, 04:52 PM
Interesting...
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The Alex Jones channel. Try harder Johnny. Isnt Alex Jones the one who thinks Obama and HRC are demons and his proof of this is that a fly once landed on them? You cant make this sh*t up but if you think that is a viable source then keep it up. :thumbs:
GiRTh
17-10-2016, 04:54 PM
CphSi3-9DXoAnd here he is making the claim. Laughable; :joker:
Her and Obama smell, they have flies all over them, she is a demon that smells of sulphur :joker::joker::joker:
Jamie89
12-12-2017, 03:22 PM
https://www.metro.news/president-trump-is-a-pervert/855132/
Apparently the recent wave of celebrity pervert accusations has led to some of the Trump accusers to come forward about this again since abuse is in the spotlight and people seem to be taking it more seriously. They're demanding an investigation by Congress.
Spokesperson for Trump: "The people of this country at a decisive election supported President Trump and we feel like these allegations have been answered through that" :umm2:
(I haven't got a link to the video but you can almost see the pain in her eyes at having to make that statement!)
Niamh.
12-12-2017, 03:25 PM
https://www.metro.news/president-trump-is-a-pervert/855132/
Apparently the recent wave of celebrity pervert accusations has led to some of the Trump accusers to come forward about this again since abuse is in the spotlight and people seem to be taking it more seriously. They're demanding an investigation by Congress.
Spokesperson for Trump: "The people of this country at a decisive election supported President Trump and we feel like these allegations have been answered through that" :umm2:
(I haven't got a link to the video but you can almost see the pain in her eyes at having to make that statement!)
How is that?
Jamie89
12-12-2017, 03:27 PM
How is that?
Exactly, it's nonsense. Trump logic.
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