Labour's anti-Semitism report not "worth the paper it was written on"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Home Affairs Select Committee chair doubts Corbyn is 'doing something serious' about anti-Semitism.


Speaking on the Andrew Marr Show, Loughton, the acting chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said anti-Semitism is "infecting political parties" and that incidents reported in Labour have not been "handled well" by its leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

The report claims the Labour party's failure to deal effectively with anti-Semitic incidents in recent years "risks lending force to allegations that elements of the Labour movement are institutionally anti-Semitic".

http://www.fahrenheit211.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19382_Jeremy-Corbyn-eyes-victory.jpg

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/labours-anti-semitism-report-not-worth-paper-it-was-written-says-tory-mp-1586644

DO you think the labout party has a problem with Jewish people?

[Livia]

Yes, I do think Labour has a problem with Jews. I have no doubt based on the evidence that it's rife. Shame Chakrabarti didn't think so, but then... she had her peerage to consider. Not a bad quid pro quo for looking at the facts with blinkers on.

[Kizzy]

Oh dear, more shiz slinging from the chimps in the Labour ranks?.... When will they be united in addressing the important issues and not ones already addressed.

Was is the person writing the report, was she not male enough? white enough? or Christian enough to be deemed worthy?

This is yet another smokescreen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You should have heard the labour party members trying to deny it on LBC this morning, Nick Ferrari was astounded at them.

[smudgie]

Without a doubt.
I don't think Mr. Corbin is guilty of it personally, but he doesn't seem to have the ability to get it sorted.
I wouldn't trust Mz Chakrabati as far as I could throw her. Quickly hashed up report to get in the good books, she sold herself far to cheaply.

[kirklancaster]

The Labour Party is RIFE with OVERT anti-semitism and in Corbyn, they have a leader who is OVERTLY anti-semitic, pro-Palestinian but who has crafted his denials of being so, into a fine art.

[Shaun]

I think Corbyn has a tendency to come across as aloof and not terribly passionate about issues other than socialist ones. The EU was a prime example of that. But that said, I'm not terribly well-read on the subject of antisemitism in the Labour Party and am only aware of the Ken Livingstone incidents? (Could someone educate me pls?)

[Johnnyuk123]

The Labour Party is RIFE with OVERT anti-semitism and in Corbyn, they have a leader who is OVERTLY anti-semitic, pro-Palestinian but who has crafted his denials of being so, into a fine art.

Not to worry Kirk cos labour won't be getting into power any time soon, for many decades in fact with the state that it is in right now.

[kirklancaster]

I think Corbyn has a tendency to come across as aloof and not terribly passionate about issues other than socialist ones. The EU was a prime example of that. But that said, I'm not terribly well-read on the subject of antisemitism in the Labour Party and am only aware of the Ken Livingstone incidents? (Could someone educate me pls?)

This might help for starters Shaun:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/202104/anti-semitism-labour-party-corbyn

[kirklancaster]

HERE'S A GREAT ARTICLE ON ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE LABOUR PARTY AND CORBYN. REPRODUCED FROM 'TABLET' MAGAZINE:

The most charitable explanation for Jeremy Corbyn’s inept handling of the British Labour party’s latest anti-Semitism row (which have become so numerous that one wag created a clock counting the “number of days since [Labour’s] last anti-semitic incident”) is that it once again demonstrates his indecisive leadership style. After it was revealed that MP Naz Shah had authored social media posts advocating the deportation of Israeli Jews to America, likening the Jewish State to Nazi Germany, and comparing Zionism to al-Qaida, Corbyn initially refused to suspend the lady from Bradford West. Only after members of his own caucus publicly demanded it did Corbyn finally cave and withdraw the whip.

Then came the defense of Shah by Corbyn’s longtime friend and ally, former London Mayor Ken Livingstone. In a truly weird, touring performance across several BBC programs meant to defend the disgraced Shah, Livingstone performed a sort of poor man’s impersonation of David Irving, claiming that Hitler was himself a Zionist. Digging his heels further, Livingstone claimed that Shah and other Labour figures accused of anti-Semitism have been smeared because “a real anti-Semite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel.” It takes one to know one.

Livingstone also said that he had “never heard anyone say anything anti-Semitic” in his near half-century involvement with Labour, which is a bit rich coming from the guy who once claimed that the Conservative Party was “riddled with homosexuals.”

Like his belated punishment of Shah, Corbyn only reluctantly suspended Livingstone from the party. And as if to send a signal to what is clearly a significant, and growing, anti-Semitic constituency within his party, Corbyn simultaneously reprimanded fellow Labourite John Mann MP, the heroic chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group Against Antisemitism who publicly confronted Livingstone and accused him of being a “Nazi apologist.”

As Labour and the media debate whether or not there is an anti-Semitism “crisis” within the party, nearly everybody seems to agree on at least one thing: Jeremy Corbyn himself is no anti-Semite. This generousness extends even to Corbyn’s harshest critics. “It is not that Labour’s leadership is anti-Semitic,” opines the New York Times’ Kenan Malik in a piece titled, “The British Left’s Jewish Problem.” “There is no reason to believe Corbyn is an anti-Semite,” writes the Financial Times’ Robert Shrimsley in a column explaining why he can no longer vote for a Corbyn-led Labour Party.

On the contrary, there is every reason to believe Corbyn is exactly that.

As was well-known before he ever won the Labour leadership last fall with nearly 60 percent of the vote, Corbyn has a long and disgraceful history of associating with, promoting and defending anti-Semites. There was the Holocaust denier Paul Eisen, to whose charity he had donated. There was his defense of the vicar, Stephen Sizer, who believes the Mossad perpetrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks. There was his invitation to, and later praise of, the Islamist Raed Salah, who has repeated the blood libel. Don’t forget Dyab Abou Jahjah, with whom Corbyn shared a platform, utterer of the claim that Europe made “the cult of the Holocaust and Jew-worshipping its alternative religion,” or Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami, Palestinian terrorists who bombed the Israeli Embassy and the offices of a Jewish charity, for whose release Corbyn campaigned.

If so many of his comrades were defaming, condemning, and bombing any other minority group, no one would have any confusion whatsoever as to what to call Jeremy Corbyn: a racist. It is inconceivable that a Labour leader would contemplate being in the same room with, much less stand proudly alongside, someone who had voiced such calumnies about Muslims, the “new Jews” of the European left. Try to imagine if Prime Minister David Cameron had shared the stage, repeatedly and over many years, with British National Party leader Nick Griffin and other lesser-known demagogues of the far right, and campaigned on behalf of Northern Irish Loyalist militants. Not only would his political career rightly reach an immediate and ignominious end, he would go down in history as a vile enabler of fascist violence. But when the ideological tables are turned, with the political dissembler a leftist and the targets of the attacks Jews, there exists a great deal of hand-wringing in stating the blindingly obvious. As far as the British media and political class are concerned, the old saw about Jew-hatred apparently applies to Jeremy Corbyn: he cannot be an anti-Semite because he doesn’t hate Jews more than absolutely necessary.

Why the double-standard? As demonstrated by the latest chicanery with the National Union of Students, which actually debated whether to commemorate Holocaust Memorial Day and elected an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist as its president, a wide swathe of the left believes that it is only possible for Jews to be victims of racism when the perpetrators are the white far right. In fashionable left opinion, homely socialists with a penchant for jam-making and photographing manhole covers cannot be anti-Semites. Nor can Muslims, whose anti-Semitism—no matter how explicitly redolent of Nazi themes—is regularly excused as just an intemperate form of an entirely legitimate “anti-Zionism.” My Tablet magazine colleague Lee Smith calls this exclusively high threshold for what constitutes anti-Jewish bigotry “The Hitler Test,” by which “It’s only when [anti-Zionism] comes from someone wearing a swastika and who has the resources to slaughter Jews wholesale that they’ve crossed the threshold into ‘real’ anti-Semitism.” Livingstone explicitly verbalized this sentiment when he said that it was “over the top” to consider anti-Semitism on par with color-based racism, and much of the media validates this misrepresentation by claiming that his statements linking Hitler to Zionism are “offensive to Jewish people,” when they ought to offend every decent person, Jewish or gentile.

In an otherwise excellent column written just weeks before Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour Party, the Scottish journalist Stephen Daisley declared that, “Jeremy Corbyn is not an anti-Semite. How I wish that he were. How much easier it would make things. We could chalk all this up to the prejudices of one man and we could avoid the raw, awkward conversation we’re about to have.” Daisley didn’t excuse Corbyn; far from it. He argued rather that Corbyn was a “symptom and a symbol” of the left’s “anti-Semitism problem.”

But this too falls into the trap of seeing Corbyn as, at worst, a naïve, left-wing variety of the stereotypical British eccentric. Corbyn, according to this narrative, means well; he just isn’t very perceptive when it comes to the sensitivities of British Jews and, conversely, overly solicitous of radical Muslims whom he views as anywhere and everywhere oppressed by Western imperialism. To believe this explanation for Corbyn’s behavior, however, is to accept the false notion that British anti-Semitism manifests itself solely in the form of Oswald Moseley’s black-shirted thugs, or ageing Tory Lords trading Jew jokes in the backrooms of London’s most exclusive private clubs.

At some point, you earn a reputation for the company you keep and the environment your leadership engenders. It really doesn’t matter that Jeremy Corbyn (as far as we know) has not explicitly said anything anti-Semitic in the literal sense of the term. He has surrounded himself with, elevated, and shielded all manner of people who have, stubbornly backing down only when it has become politically untenable to continue defending them. All the while he denies that his party even has an anti-Semitism “crisis” in the first place. Like a stinking fish, the Labour Party rots from the head, and the head is Jeremy Corbyn.

[joeysteele]

I have not posted on here for a while due to personal issues.
I wasn't going to today again but have to say this.

Anyone who wants knowledge on this issue, please neither take the word of those on here who are in the Labour party or are supporters of same,and certainly please do not take the word of those who are again simply exercising their own personal hate and prejudice against the Labour party and those on the left of politics generally.
Particularly those who hate Corbyn.

Please research for yourself the ordinary Labour members, voters and MPs who the vast majority of are as decent, and in no way anti semitic, than people and MPs in other political parties.

To generalise on a whole party and movement is slanderous,a disgrace, it is got away with at times here and has reared its head many times now.
I have always made a stand against that prejudice.

The vast majority of people in the Labour party and movement, just as is the case with other political parties too,( the mainstream ones),are decent caring and hardworking individuals who do not warrant in any form the spite and hate directed at them from those who simply detest the whole of the left of politics and anyone who is of that persuasion.

I hadn't accepted how bad that personal spite and prejudice was until I ended up on the receiving end of it, and just because I joined the Labour party.

People should remember that members on here are members of Labour, are Labour supporters and maybe even Labour councillor/s, when people make serious generalised charges of them being anti semitic, thereby tarnishing deliberately decent innocent individuals, that is and should be totally unacceptable and wrong.

It is even more rich when that attack comes from those who choose to do so from a hate and prejudice against those on the left, no matter who they may be.

[Jack_]

interesting that forum members have been chastised for using terms to describe labour such as looney left, yet a word such as chimps is ok within the ranks :idc:

Not true. I've chastised the truth for using the term 'loony left' not only because it's cringey as ****, but also because the context within which he was using it (to criticise the New Labour administration) wasn't at all applicable or relevant.

Once again, for every time I see it being used (or indeed the entirety of the left being slandered as antisemetic), I will make a point of referencing the racist right :hee:

I have not posted on here for a while due to personal issues.
I wasn't going to today again but have to say this.

Anyone who wants knowledge on this issue, please neither take the word of those on here who are in the Labour party or are supporters of same,and certainly please do not take the word of those who are again simply exercising their own personal hate and prejudice against the Labour party and those on the left of politics generally.
Particularly those who hate Corbyn.

Please research for yourself the ordinary Labour members, voters and MPs who the vast majority of are as decent, and in no way anti semitic, than people and MPs in other political parties.

To generalise on a whole party and movement is slanderous,a disgrace, it is got away with at times here and has reared its head many times now.
I have always made a stand against that prejudice.

The vast majority of people in the Labour party and movement, just as is the case with other political parties too,( the mainstream ones),are decent caring and hardworking individuals who do not warrant in any form the spite and hate directed at them from those who simply detest the whole of the left of politics and anyone who is of that persuasion.

I hadn't accepted how bad that personal spite and prejudice was until I ended up on the receiving end of it, and just because I joined the Labour party.

People should remember that members on here are members of Labour, are Labour supporters and maybe even Labour councillor/s, when people make serious generalised charges of them being anti semitic, thereby tarnishing deliberately decent innocent individuals, that is and should be totally unacceptable and wrong.

It is even more rich when that attack comes from those who choose to do so from a hate and prejudice against those on the left, no matter who they may be.

Eloquently put as ever Joey.

[bots]

Good to see you here again Joey, and you are of course correct. Labour as a whole reflects society in the UK and that society is not all anti-semitic. However, if there are elements within the labour party that encourage or condone it, it should be highlighted and stamped out for the benefit of the party

[Northern Monkey]

It doesn't surprise me.Many Labour members and MP's are good people as Joey says but there is an element who are anti semitic and anti western and it tends to be the ones who support Corbyn(not all of them).
Jeremy Corbyn for instance was one of the founding members of the Stop The War Coalition.A disgraceful Organisation who's Chair men have been supporters of the North Korean regime and dictators such as Saddam Hussein.They're Anti Isreal and only take a stand against Western military intervention and not the terrorists,Russia or any other non Western countries other than our allies.They don't want to 'Stop The War' unless the west are involved.They seem fine with our enemies wars or all oppressive regimes wars.The most shocking thing is that Jeremy Corbyn is STILL involved with this 'organisation' while being the leader of Her Majesty's opposition.It's not surprising many of his followers hold these views.He is a stain on the Labour party and the reason i could never vote Labour until these elements are out of it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/stop-the-war-oppose-the-west-and-support-dictators-they-are-trai/

[Kizzy]

I have not posted on here for a while due to personal issues.
I wasn't going to today again but have to say this.

Anyone who wants knowledge on this issue, please neither take the word of those on here who are in the Labour party or are supporters of same,and certainly please do not take the word of those who are again simply exercising their own personal hate and prejudice against the Labour party and those on the left of politics generally.
Particularly those who hate Corbyn.

Please research for yourself the ordinary Labour members, voters and MPs who the vast majority of are as decent, and in no way anti semitic, than people and MPs in other political parties.

To generalise on a whole party and movement is slanderous,a disgrace, it is got away with at times here and has reared its head many times now.
I have always made a stand against that prejudice.

The vast majority of people in the Labour party and movement, just as is the case with other political parties too,( the mainstream ones),are decent caring and hardworking individuals who do not warrant in any form the spite and hate directed at them from those who simply detest the whole of the left of politics and anyone who is of that persuasion.

I hadn't accepted how bad that personal spite and prejudice was until I ended up on the receiving end of it, and just because I joined the Labour party.

People should remember that members on here are members of Labour, are Labour supporters and maybe even Labour councillor/s, when people make serious generalised charges of them being anti semitic, thereby tarnishing deliberately decent innocent individuals, that is and should be totally unacceptable and wrong.

It is even more rich when that attack comes from those who choose to do so from a hate and prejudice against those on the left, no matter who they may be.

Wonderful post Joey, thank you.
So pleased to see you posting :D

[user104658]

Jews.

[Northern Monkey]

'Jeremy Corbyn risks "undermining" his vow to tackle anti-Semitism in the Labour party by failing to suspend a Momentum leader who made "disgusting" comments about Holocaust Memorial Day, an MP has warned.
Wes Streeting called for Jackie Walker's immediate suspension pending an investigation after she claimed that the day of mourning is not inclusive enough and questioned party definitions of anti-Semitism. Ms Walker has previously been suspended for a period over alleged anti-Semitic remarks.'

[GiRTh]

The comments made by Naz Shah were horrendous and rightly condemned. I hope Corbyn show some spine in dealing with this problem.

[Kizzy]

What more can a leader do?... Ask for an enquiry, investigate, state categorically that anyone guilty will be ousted, what's left?

[bots]

just out of interest, does Corbyn's "inclusive" inner circle contain any jewish people?

[Kizzy]

just out of interest, does Corbyn's "inclusive" inner circle contain any jewish people?

A member of Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) has supported Jeremy Corbyn’s dismissal of a damning parliamentary report on antisemitism in politics that heavily criticised the party, saying it was “overly focused” on Labour.

Rhea Wolfson, a Corbyn supporter who was voted on to the NEC in the summer, said the fact the Labour leader had commissioned a report into antisemitism within the party by Shami Chakrabarti was “testament to the fact he is taking the issue seriously”.

Chakrabarti’s findings were derided in the report from the cross-party home affairs select committee, published on Sunday, and described as “ultimately compromised” by Chakrabarti’s subsequent peerage and elevation to the shadow cabinet.

The committee’s report said a lack of action over the issue from Corbyn “risks lending force to allegations that elements of the Labour movement are institutionally antisemitic”. The party was said to have been “demonstrably incompetent” in dealing with incidents of anti-Jewish abuse.


MPs urge Jeremy Corbyn to take critical antisemitism report seriously
Read more
Corbyn said the report was overly focused on Labour. The committee’s acting chairman, Tim Loughton, said he was disappointed by Corbyn’s response, saying it showed he was “still in denial”.

Wolfson, who is Jewish, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme she had received strong support within Labour when far-right activists targeted her for antisemitic abuse when she stood for the NEC.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/17/critical-antisemitism-report-overly-focused-on-labour-says-mp-jeremy-corbyn

[bots]

I don't think a momentum activist could be considered a member of his inner circle. She is not even an MP let alone a member of his cabinet.

[kirklancaster]

I don't think a momentum activist could be considered a member of his inner circle. She is not even an MP let alone a member of his cabinet.

:laugh: Those were my thoughts too.

[Niamh.]

Deleted lots of posts in here. The next person to start attacking another poster in here instead of discussing the topic will be put on an instant ban

[James]

It is the Momentum wing of Labour that stands accused, not all of Labour.

[Kizzy]

It is the Momentum wing of Labour that stands accused, not all of Labour.

Rhea Wolfson is a member of momentum, if that were true I doubt that Jewish Labourites would associate with it.

[James]

Well some members of the Momentum wing, then.

I saw an interview with David Baddiel where he was saying that he gets quite a bit of anti-Jewish comments on Twitter from left-wing people.

(I wouldn't say Twitter is necessarily representative of any political opinion though).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do labour members who respect Israel for what they are exist?

[Kizzy]

Well some members of the Momentum wing, then.

I saw an interview with David Baddiel where he was saying that he gets quite a bit of anti-Jewish comments on Twitter from left-wing people.

(I wouldn't say Twitter is necessarily representative of any political opinion though).

Are those left wing people Labour party members? How did Mr Baddiel know they were left wing initially?

We've gone from rubbishing Labour to rubbishing momentum to rubbishing anyone on the left?...that's some achievement.

[Kizzy]

Interesting article by Micheal Segalov,

For years now I’ve travelled across the UK to report from far-right, fascist and neo-Nazi rallies. I’ve seen the real threat that faces Jews in the country, those who wear swastikas as badges of honour. Where was your concern for my community then?

It’s become an all too regular occurrence, waking up to headlines reporting that anti-Semitism in the Labour party is now an endemic problem, and that bad feeling against Jewish people in the party is on an upward trajectory.

As a Jewish Labour Party member, they are stories that should have me alarmed. I know from experience just how dangerous anti-Semitism can really be: vast swathes of my ancestors were lost to the murderous hands of the Nazis, and observant Jewish friends of mine have been harassed and attacked on British streets. I’ve read the slurs, faced the trolls, had neo-Nazis shout abuse in my face.

And yet it’s not just anger against bigots that hits as I scan story after story, but frustration towards those trying to use an all too real threat facing my community for their own political gain. Since Corbyn’s election as Labour leader, unsupportive MPs, campaigning groups and journalists have been desperate to paint him and the movement who support him as anti-Semitic fanatics, despite knowing it’s really not the case.

I could tell you about my own experiences, how I’ve never experienced or witnessed anti-Semitism inside the party – but that’s just what I’ve seen, non-Jewish defenders of my religion will claim. My experiences, and those of countless other Corbyn-supporting Jewish members who I’ve spoken to, aren’t reflective of what’s really going on, apparently.

Just a few months ago, I found myself sat in the Channel 4 News studio, tasked with discussing anti-Semitism under Corbyn. Sat opposite me was John Woodcock MP, desperate to tell me it’s the “hard-left” who are “associated [with] Soviet Russia” with anti-Semitic views infiltrating the party who were responsible for stirring up hatred.

Now, we only need look at the most high-profile of cases to see that anti-Semitism is by no means a product of Corbyn’s supporters. Naz Shah, MP for Bradford West, was rightly suspended for sharing anti-Semitic posts on Facebook, not a Corbynite but a backer of Yvette Cooper in the last leadership election. Ken Livingstone, similarly sanctioned for his remarks about Hitler, has been a party grandee for decades. An insurgent? I think not.

Woodcock pointed me towards “a rise in anti-Semitic incidents” within the party, without having a single statistic or figure to back it up. It’s an answer I hear time and time again, and for those of us – Jewish or otherwise – committed to fighting anti-Semitism, enough is enough.

It’s tiring and it’s frustrating, but moreover it’s frankly dangerous.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-labour-conference-jewish-supporter-vote-political-weapon-a7330891.html

[Northern Monkey]

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57e8c2eae4b0e81629aa08f4


'NEWS
Labour Party Conference 2016: ‘Anti-Semitic, Racist’ Leaflets Distributed Outside Momentum Event
It comes after a series of reports of abuse against Jews at the four-day event.
Leaflets distributed outside a meeting on religious hatred by the left-wing pressure group Momentum are “anti-Semitic and undeniably racist”, a Labour MP has said.

Wes Streeting, co-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group of British Jews, has criticised the literature which called for the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM) to be disbanded.'

[Kizzy]

A representative YouGov poll carried out in May 2016 found that Labour voters were no more likely than voters from other parties to express antisemitic attitudes, with UKIP voters demonstrating the highest levels of antisemitism.179 As outlined earlier in this report, a survey of British Jewish people found that almost half of respondents felt that the Green Party is too tolerant of antisemitism (compared with 87% in relation to the Labour Party), 43% think the same of UKIP, 40% of the SNP, and over a third in relation to the Liberal Democrats.180

122.Other political parties have not been immune to accusations of antisemitism, albeit apparently with a smaller number of reported incidents, and with a lower profile. In April 2015, a Conservative candidate for Derby Council was expelled from her Party after she said she would never support “the Jew” Ed Miliband.181 In August 2014, the University College London (UCL) Union investigated the university’s Conservative Society after it was accused of creating a “toxic environment”, with one member reported to have said “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”. Media reports suggest that the incident was never investigated by the Conservative Party,182 but it is unclear whether it was ever referred to the Party, and questions have subsequently been raised about the veracity of the complaint.

123.A former Conservative Councillor who defected to the Liberal Democrats after losing his seat, Matthew Gordon Banks, was suspended from his new Party in September after writing on Twitter that “[Tim] Farron’s leadership campaign was organised and funded by London Jews”, adding in a second tweet: “I tried to work with them. Very difficult.”183 The former Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has been accused of antisemitism on several occasions. He was suspended from his Party after accusing “the Jews” of committing atrocities in Palestine,184 and later sent the following tweet: “The big question is–if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket?–probably yes”.185 Baroness Tonge, who now sits in the House of Lords as an independent Liberal Democrat, resigned the Party whip in 2012 after refusing to apologise for saying that “Israel is not going to be there forever”, and has recently attracted fresh criticism for sharing an article that suggested that “Jewish power” was targeting the Labour Party.186 At this year’s autumn conference, the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine group was asked to remove Facebook posts that quoted the statement: “The Jews as victim. Always the Jews, only the Jews.” SNP MSP Sandra White apologised “unreservedly” in November 2015 after tweeting an antisemitic image of six piglets (representing the UK and others) suckling at a sow with the word “Rothschild” and the Star of David on it.187 Incidents involving other forms of racism, including Islamophobia, have also affected a number of mainstream parties.

124.Soon after this inquiry was announced, we invited the then Prime Minister, David Cameron, to give oral evidence as Leader of the Conservative Party. On the date in June when he was scheduled to attend, the events leading up to his resignation had been set in motion, and he wrote to the then Committee Chair apologising and stating that he was unable to attend. Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP, the newly-appointed Chairman of the Conservative Party, provided a detailed written submission in early August, and indicated that he would have been happy to give further oral evidence to us.188 We later invited the new Prime Minister on several occasions to give evidence to us in October, but received no formal response until the morning of the scheduled evidence session, when Sir Eric Pickles MP, the UK Special Envoy for Post-Holocaust Issues and former Party Chairman, was nominated to attend as a representative of the Conservative Party.

125.It is very disappointing that the Conservative Party procrastinated for so long, and that both the Leader and Chairman of the Party declined to give evidence on this vital issue, but we are very grateful to Sir Eric for stepping in at the last minute, and value his extensive experience in these matters. He told us that the Conservative Party had had problems (with racism) in the late 1960s, but had learned lessons from this and recognised that it “must have a no tolerance policy with regard to any form of racism”.189 When challenged about the incident at UCL, of which he was unaware, he apologised and said that, on the face of it, the Party should have investigated it; although, as previously mentioned, there is some dispute over the veracity of the complaint itself. Sir Eric denied that he had intended to suggest in his evidence that the Conservative Party was alone in having no ongoing problems with antisemitism among its members, stating that antisemitism is “one of the oldest, most nasty, most evil of all the sins”; that it “comes back”; and that “to suggest for a millisecond that I believe that the Conservative party is free of antisemitism would be a complete bastardisation of what I have just said”

As I said smoke and mirrors, one finger points and there a 3 pointing straight back at as seen here 3 other parties.


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmhaff/136/13609.htm#footnote-006-backlink

[bots]

and that relates how to the accusations that there is anti semitism in the labour party exactly? Does it mean that it doesn't exist in the labour party, that the conservatives have/had a problem and that makes it ok then, or something else

[James]

Are those left wing people Labour party members? How did Mr Baddiel know they were left wing initially?

We've gone from rubbishing Labour to rubbishing momentum to rubbishing anyone on the left?...that's some achievement.

From memory I think he said they had left-wing looking usernames and avatars.

[kirklancaster]

It is astonishing how SOME of the Left Wing on here sanction Polls, Articles, Graphs, Charts, and any other data - no matter which source they hail from - just as long as it supports their viewpoint.

Even The Daily Mail is just fine and Dandy when it says something which these on the Left agree with - otherwise - it's a pile of unreliable, biased, bullshyte.

Ditto Government Polls. :shrug:

[joeysteele]

Do labour members who respect Israel for what they are exist?

Yes, and I am one of them and always have been, even when not a Labour party member or even supporter.
Everyone 'I' know in the Labour party feels and thinks the same as I do too.

[Kizzy]

and that relates how to the accusations that there is anti semitism in the labour party exactly? Does it mean that it doesn't exist in the labour party, that the conservatives have/had a problem and that makes it ok then, or something else

It means there are bad apples in every barrel, and that as a leader Corbyn has done his upmost to root them out.
The detractors are using this as nothing more than another rod to beat him with, which is rather disgusting when you think about it as the Jewish community are just being used in a political strategy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, and I am one of them and always have been, even when not a Labour party member or even supporter.
Everyone 'I' know in the Labour party feels and thinks the same as I do too.

Small sample sizes are


small sample sizes

[bots]

It means there are bad apples in every barrel, and that as a leader Corbyn has done his upmost to root them out.
The detractors are using this as nothing more than another rod to beat him with, which is rather disgusting when you think about it as the Jewish community are just being used in a political strategy.

that's your opinion, but I believe Corbyn is only paying lip service to the issue, and to be quite frank, its the likes of me that he has to convince if he wants to be considered a serious contender for future PM, not those who already support him

[Kizzy]

that's your opinion, but I believe Corbyn is only paying lip service to the issue, and to be quite frank, its the likes of me that he has to convince if he wants to be considered a serious contender for future PM, not those who already support him

It's not my opinion... it's there in black and white on parliaments own website (if that's reputable enough) That antisemitism exists across the political spectrum.
I have faith that he will continue to inspire confidence, these slurs are easily discredited.

[user104658]

Small sample sizes are


small sample sizes

Irrelevant; you asked "if they exist". You only need one for it to be true that they exist. :smug:

[bots]

It's not my opinion... it's there in black and white on parliaments own website (if that's reputable enough) That antisemitism exists across the political spectrum.
I have faith that he will continue to inspire confidence, these slurs are easily discredited.

there are facts to back the occurrences up that cannot be discredited.

This is the unfortunate problem with many of Corbyn's supporters. He is incapable of doing any wrong, no matter how strong the evidence is to the contrary

[Kizzy]

there are facts to back the occurrences up that cannot be discredited.

This is the unfortunate problem with many of Corbyn's supporters. He is incapable of doing any wrong, no matter how strong the evidence is to the contrary

What facts? the occurrences of antisemitism nobody is saying they never happened...

What did he do wrong? What would you a non supporter have him do that he did not do?

[James]

Deleted lots of posts in here. The next person to start attacking another poster in here instead of discussing the topic will be put on an instant ban

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[kirklancaster]

It's not my opinion... it's there in black and white on parliaments own website (if that's reputable enough) That antisemitism exists across the political spectrum.
I have faith that he will continue to inspire confidence, these slurs are easily discredited.

This thread is SPECIFICALLY about Labour's so-called report on anti-semitism in the Labour Party not being "worth the paper it is written upon" though.

Bringing in alleged anti semitism in any other party is deflective and not really addressing the OP's premise.

[Kizzy]

I don't care what the OP wanted specifically, I thought it was relevant to the conversation, and it is.