N. Ireland :Christian bakers broke discrimination law by refusing to make a Gay cake

[arista]

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The cake was eventually made by another bakery
Yes its all money



http://news.sky.com/story/ashers-bakery-loses-gay-marriage-cake-legal-challenge-10630650

[Christian bakers who broke
discrimination rules by
refusing to make a cake
with a pro-gay marriage
slogan have lost their appeal.
Belfast-based Ashers told
gay activist Gareth Lee
cake they would not
make the cake
featuring the Sesame Street
puppets Bert and Ernie
and the logo of Belfast
campaign group Queerspace.
The McArthur family, who
own the business,
first accepted the
order but later declined
it because it conflicted
with their beliefs that
marriage should be
between a man and a woman.]
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[Greg!]

Good. The bakers seem like self important twats

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gay marriage is not legal in NI and the bakers did not want to make a politically charged cake. It was not about the customer it was about the cake (they said)

But if they made Halloween cakes (they did) frankly they did not have a leg to stand on.

[UserSince2005]

Id never eat a gay cake, tbh

[Northern Monkey]

If they did'nt wanna make it they should've just said they were too busy and not taking orders:shrug:
Now they've landed themselves in court.

[Tom4784]

Good.

[Liam-]

Meh, they have the right to serve or not serve whoever they want, not agreeing with gay marriage doesn't necessarily make someone homophobic.

[Tom4784]

It's about discrimination, they were breaking the law.

[Northern Monkey]

I have absolutely nothing against gay marriage.I'm a live and let live kinda person.However i don't think it should be forced on churches for whom it is against their religious beliefs(again live and let live).For me if these cake makers had said something along the lines of 'I refuse to serve you because i don't like gays' then they should be done for discrimination.However if it's just the content of the cake decoration that they won't do then i think it should be up to the artist/shop as to what they supply.

[Crimson Dynamo]

id just shut the churches and force people to be properly educated or face jail

[UserSince2005]

It's about discrimination, they were breaking the law.

Its a cake. Who actually cares

Gays will complain about anything.

Lets focus on the atrocities happening against gays is Russia and Syria.

Need to get our priorities right.

[UserSince2005]

Whats next, can I take a straight guy to court because he doesnt want to take my dick?

[Liam-]

People shouldn't be forced to agree with gay marriage, if they don't agree with it then they can choose if they want to make a cake associated with the cause, like Northern Monkey said, if they had refused because they didn't want to make a cake for gay people, that would be completely different.

[Tom4784]

They're a business, they can't refuse customers on grounds of sexuality. They were happy enough to bake other cakes that would conflict with their beliefs so it's less about religion and more about their own personal bias.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They're a business, they can't refuse customers on grounds of sexuality. They were happy enough to bake other cakes that would conflict with their beliefs so it's less about religion and more about their own personal bias.

this

[Tom4784]

Also, baking a cake does not equate to agreeing with it's message.

[Liam-]

They didn't refuse based on sexuality, they refused on the grounds of an act they don't agree with, unless it comes out that they don't allow gays into the bakery full stop, I fail to see how their action deserves this reaction.

[Tom4784]

Again, baking a cake does not mean they support whatever the cake is for, they are just fulfilling their end of the order.

They seem to be able to separate their religion and their work when it comes to other orders so what made this order so different?

[Liam-]

Contributing something to an event typically shows that you support that event, so them baking a cake for a gay wedding, would say that they agreed with it.

What other orders are you referring to?

[Greg!]

People shouldn't be forced to agree with gay marriage, if they don't agree with it then they can choose if they want to make a cake associated with the cause, like Northern Monkey said, if they had refused because they didn't want to make a cake for gay people, that would be completely different.

Ridiculous statement. So you'd support someone not making a cake in support of an interracial marriage as well just because "they don't agree with it"??

[Liam-]

Ridiculous statement. So you'd support someone not making a cake in support of an interracial marriage as well??

No I wouldn't, because interracial marriage is legal, whereas some countries still haven't legalised gay marriage, hence people not wanting to bake cakes to support a marriage they don't agree with, or a cake that supports a controversial political statement, if a place refused to make a cake for an interracial wedding, then yes, that would be wrong and they should be dealt with.

[Tom4784]

Contributing something to an event typically shows that you support that event, so them baking a cake for a gay wedding, would say that they agreed with it.

What other orders are you referring to?

No it doesn't, it simply means you're fulfilling your end of a business transaction. If a bunch of Neo Nazis had a meeting and ordered pizzas from Pizza Hut for refreshments than does that mean that Pizza Hut supports their point of view? Of course it doesn't.

Two different courts with different people presiding over them with all the facts at hand reached the same conclusion. I don't know what there is to argue about.

[Marsh.]

Contributing something to an event typically shows that you support that event, so them baking a cake for a gay wedding, would say that they agreed with it.

What other orders are you referring to?

"Contributing to an event" or "providing a cake for a fee" which is their business.

If it were the way you were talking they would have to agree with the lifestyle and actions of every customer who ever purchased any food from them.

[Liam-]

No it doesn't, it simply means you're fulfilling your end of a business transaction. If a bunch of Neo Nazis had a meeting and ordered pizzas from Pizza Hut for refreshments than does that mean that Pizza Hut supports their point of view? Of course it doesn't.

Two different courts with different people presiding over them with all the facts at hand reached the same conclusion. I don't know what there is to argue about.

If the Neo Nazis ordered the Pizza Hut and told them, we're celebrating something we believe in, that you don't and we want you to supply the refreshments for us, then yes I believe that if they supplied it for them to celebrate it, that they'd give the image of supporting it.

I'm not arguing about it, I'm just giving my opinion, in a country where gay marriage isn't legal yet, a company shouldn't be forced to make something for a gay marriage event, if they don't agree with it imo.

[Alf]

Why is this story even making the headlines?

[Northern Monkey]

Pretty sure Pizza Hut would be well within their rights to refuse to do catering for a Neo-Nazi event if they so chose.

[LukeB]

It's about discrimination, they were breaking the law.

They're a business, they can't refuse customers on grounds of sexuality. They were happy enough to bake other cakes that would conflict with their beliefs so it's less about religion and more about their own personal bias.

Also, baking a cake does not equate to agreeing with it's message.

Again, baking a cake does not mean they support whatever the cake is for, they are just fulfilling their end of the order.

They seem to be able to separate their religion and their work when it comes to other orders so what made this order so different?

Ridiculous statement. So you'd support someone not making a cake in support of an interracial marriage as well just because "they don't agree with it"??

No it doesn't, it simply means you're fulfilling your end of a business transaction. If a bunch of Neo Nazis had a meeting and ordered pizzas from Pizza Hut for refreshments than does that mean that Pizza Hut supports their point of view? Of course it doesn't.

Two different courts with different people presiding over them with all the facts at hand reached the same conclusion. I don't know what there is to argue about.


Spot on :clap1: