Fury At Police Video Nasty

[Mrluvaluva]

From Sky News:

Updated: 09:46, Thursday March 08, 2007

A woman is taking civil action against a police officer who was caught on CCTV punching her five times.

The film - described as "stomach-turning" - has prompted calls for an investigation amid suggestions of police brutality and racism.

Toni Comer, 20, had been thrown out of a Sheffield nightclub and police were called when she vandalised a car.

In the video she was seen falling down a flight of steps with one officer and when colleagues and a security guard arrived she was punched five times in the subsequent melee.

The South Yorkshire police officer who struck her said he hit her "as hard as I was physically able" to deaden her arm so she could be restrained.

She was then slapped in cuffs and dragged away with her trousers down as a police dog handler watched.

Ms Comer - who said she may have been having an epileptic fit at the time, which caused her to thrash around - pleaded guilty to criminal damage and was given a conditional discharge and ordered to pay £250 compensation.

She admitted being drunk at the time of the arrest and said she had no memory of the events.

"I really don't believe it. I didn't think they would actually do something like that at all," she said.

Her father Leroy said: "My kids have been brought up to be honest and tell the truth but this sort of incident makes you lose confidence in the police service.

The moment Ms Comer was hit "I have a 14-year-old son at home and he is obviously going to be influenced by what has happened to his sister. I could understand him not having a liking for the police. I would be hopeful that justice will be done."

Shami Chakrabarti, of human rights group Liberty, said: "The Independent Police Complaints Commission must investigate urgently in the knowledge that public confidence in modern policing and the police complaints system is at stake."

Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman and MP for Sheffield Hallam, said: "The violence in this footage is shocking, especially as it took place as several officers were holding down one woman."

Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei, of the National Black Police Association, said it was "absolutely" a concern that race may have been an issue as Ms Comer is black.

But he said that, while the video looked "appalling" at first glance, it was acceptable for officers to use force of the kind seen if it was necessary to stop the person being arrested from harming themselves or someone else.

South Yorkshire Police - which said it was "happy" with the officer's conduct - said it was "outraged" as suggestions of racism.

The officer, identified only as PC Mulhall, said he had been kicked and spat at by Ms Comer, who he said also tried to bite him.

In a statement he said he had tried to subdue her. "There was no visible effect and in the end I had to use brute force and both hands to bend her arm at the elbow to place her wrist in the cuff."

Watch the video here and comment:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-cctv_080307_0700,00.html

[Ella]

I saw this on GMTV this morning and I was disgusted in the Police Mans action, The police man in question said it was self defence as the women was kicking and trying to bite him, But ion the CCTV footage there is no evidence of this.

And the fact that she allegedly had an epileptic fit while this happend makes the fact that the police men didn't notic this even worse.

I hope the men involved get punished..But seeing as they are police they will most probab;y get away with it, While the 20 year old female (She was 19 at the time) Has to accept that they probably will get away with it..Its just pathetic that they can act like this and use self defence as an excuse.

[GiRTh]

It's Rodney King all over again.

[lily.]

Ok, I'm not going to be popular with my views, but here they are.

1. She shouldn't have been vandalising a car.

2. She probably shouldn't be rat-ar5ed drunk if she suffers from epilepsy (and, if the fact that she was so drunk concealed her having a fit, then she only has herself to blame).

3. She hasn't been charged for attacking the policeman which she clearly did before he punched her.

4. I don't buy the "racist" allegations. This kind of thing happens to white people as well.

5. She's a criminal. If you do a crime, and the police catch you and you resist arrest, then you are guna go down with a few bruises. FACT!



I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. If she doesn't like it, then she shouldn't be a thug.

[Mrluvaluva]

He did punch her with full force. You could see that. Don't you think that's excessive Linda?

[lily.]

No. It was on the arm, and he says he was trying to give her a dead arm so he could cuff her.

I think the police have a difficult job to do because they can't do chit nowadays without someone bringing it into question, yet it's ok for chavs etc. to attack the police.

You ever watch some of the reality shows on TV about what the cops have to put up with on weekends outside some of these clubs. He didn't use his baton, so I don't think it was excessive. And, he also didn't hit her on the face. That would have been different entirely.

[GiRTh]

Sorry Stropz but everything you say was said about the Rodney King incident. At the end of the day the police are give a mandate of how much force they are allowed to use. This guy clearly crossed that line.

[lily.]

Well, I knew my opinion would be controversial. But, I just feel that there is little or no respect for the law in this country. And the police don't seem to be able to do anything about crime because of all these rules and regulations.

About 9 or 10 years ago, my car got damaged. I stood at my window and saw the guy kicking the mirror off it. I called the police and they came out and I told them who had done it, and at what time and who he was with etc. The policeman asked me if there were any witnesses. I said, "yeah, me stood at the window". They said they couldn't arrest him without more witnesses.

I tried to do the right thing, and I got bitten on the ass for it. (and, had to pay to get the car fixed myself!)

About 5 or 6 years ago, there was a guy who basically went up my street, and ran a key along the cars.. broke some glass etc. He was on a rampage to damage stuff.. He damaged our friends car by keying it right along one side. The following night, he was walking past our house and my husband went out and grabbed the little b@stard and threatened him that if he touched any of our stuff, he would kick his head in (in a nutshell). The guy was crappin himself and after my man let him go, he didn't come near again.

Should we have to take the law into our own hands? Or should the police be left to do their job?

[GiRTh]

Stropz, I do believe that you're a fascist:joker:

Seriously, I think everybody agrees with you but the rules are the rules.

I was in a well known sport shop about six months ago when the security guards grabbed this kid for nicking. He had him in a head lock and a woman passing by shouted 'treat him with respect, that's some one's son y'know'. The womans companion turned to her and belittling told her to not get involved. I nearly p issed my self laughing.

Society has a youth problem, there's no doubting that, and in many ways I agree with you but the rules are what they are. Maybe if the police hadn't let so many people die while in their custody then they'd have more of a free reign.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by Linda
I just feel that there is little or no respect for the law in this country. And the police don't seem to be able to do anything about crime because of all these rules and regulations.



I totally agree with you on this. Some younger people generally do not have respect for anything, and know that 9 times out of ten they can get away with it. But I do also agree with Grit. There is a line. This goes over it.

[Nowhere]

I'd have to agree with Linda, firstly, it doesn't look like the girl's having an epileptic fit. Secondly,like Linda said,if she suffers with epilepsy, what is she doing running around an empty warehouse,blindly drunk,throwing things around and vandalizing cars? That girl got herself into that situation,the police are there to stop crime, whether the offender has epilepsy or any other type of illness.It's up to the individual to be responsible,if they're not, and commit offences, then the police should act accordingly.I do feel a little sorry for her, but she made her bed..

[Mrluvaluva]

It's true that epileptics shouldn't be getting drunk though. Excessive alcohol can cause seizures.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Nowhere
I'd have to agree with Linda, firstly, it doesn't look like the girl's having an epileptic fit. Secondly,like Linda said,if she suffers with epilepsy, what is she doing running around an empty warehouse,blindly drunk,throwing things around and vandalizing cars? That girl got herself into that situation,the police are there to stop crime, whether the offender has epilepsy or any other type of illness.It's up to the individual to be responsible,if they're not, and commit offences, then the police should act accordingly.I do feel a little sorry for her, but she made her bed..

Again. All this was said about Rodney King.

At the end of the day the police should never have the right to knock people senseless that they are trying to arrest.

For all those who think this is no biggy -

How much force do you think is excessive and at what point - in an arrest - do you think the police should be allowed to use force?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG
It's true that epileptics should nt be getting drunk though. Excessive alcohol can cause seizures.

Off topic. I'll get all Red Moon on yo' ass.

[Dr43%er]

If someone was grabbing my testicle's I would thump them. If you look at the position of his hand, As his hand is coming down to strike it is not coming down knuckle first. If you make a fist and look at the bottom of it you see you curled up little finger. I believe him to be hitting her with that part of his hand in a hammer motion. Not as vicious as a punch.

I have just seen her interviewed on the news. She was saying she remembers nothing of the night. She then goes on to deny that she was trying to hit and bite him. Hang on, I thought you just said you cant remember anything from the night???

I see no comparison between this and the Rodney King incident.

[Nowhere]

Originally posted by GRiT
Again. All this was said about Rodney King.

At the end of the day the police should never have the right to knock people senseless that they are trying to arrest.

For all those who think this is no biggy -

How much force do you think is excessive and at what point - in an arrest - do you think the police should be allowed to use force?

Yep,I believe police should be allowed to use force. The amount depends on the situation, although it doesn't fill me with confidence that the police officer is the one to decide. I just think there's alot of crime around, and we need a powerful force to combat it.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Nowhere

Yep,I believe police should be allowed to use force. The amount depends on the situation, although it doesn't fill me with confidence that the police officer is the one to decide. I just think there's alot of crime around, and we need a powerful force to combat it.

I do believe that you, like the stroppy one, are a fascist:joker:

Joking aside, I have no faith in the police making the right call at all. I've seen a young girl knocked into police vans on a Saturday night for simply trying to slap her boyfriend on a drunken night out. I don't think that is reasonable force.

I think society should be more self-policing. Did you read my post on the incident in the Sport shop? I think that is way too prevalent; people do believe - rightly or wrongly - that the police do use too much force and I have seen it first hand. As I said earlier, if the police had not 'allowed' so many people to die while in their custody then maybe things would be different

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by BAZG
It's true that epileptics should nt be getting drunk though. Excessive alcohol can cause seizures.

Off topic. I'll get all Red Moon on yo' ass.


It is not off topic at all. It's part of the issue. So lose the chip.

[Mrluvaluva]

I think if you asked people in the police force what kind of force is acceptable to use, you would get a whole load of different answers. And of course, there are bigots etc employed there, same as any large employment organisation. There is always going to be an issue on this, no matter what.

Just to put 1 point accross though. I do believe in never hitting a woman. But once I saw a girl in a nightclub grab a guy by the neck, and dig her nails in, drawing lots of blood, for what seemed like ages. A guy, after trying to pull her off, punched her in the face to stop her, I did think that was reasonable in the situation. Think about it.

[GiRTh]

It is not off topic at all. It's part of the issue. So lose the chip. [/quote]

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

I don't think the epilepsy is very relevant in the context of her being drunk. If she chooses to drink with her ailment then that's up to her.

Having just watched it again on full screen, I think the force used was way over the top and the officers should be suspended. There is no clear evidence that she was physically resisting arrest. I've been arrested - that may not come as a surprise to many of you - they nearly smashed down my front door. I came out side stood still with my arms slightly raised, the officer took out his handcuffs, I then very clearly said 'There's no need for those, I'm not resisting', I was then pushed up against a wall and then shoved to the ground. My crime - a couple of traffic offences. The officers did not know what my crime was as they were arresting me. The police force need strict disciplinary guidelines and I hope this case gets people talking about issues like that.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
It is not off topic at all. It's part of the issue. So lose the chip.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

I don't think the epilepsy is very relevant in the context of her being drunk. If she chooses to drink with her ailment then that's up to her.

Having just watched it again on full screen, I think the force used was way over the top and the officers should be suspended. There is no clear evidence that she was physically resisting arrest. I've been arrested - that may not come as a surprise to many of you - they nearly smashed down my front door. I came out side stood still with my arms slightly raised, the officer took out his handcuffs, I then very clearly said 'There's no need for those, I'm not resisting', I was then pushed up against a wall and then shoved to the ground. My crime - a couple of traffic offences. The officers did not know what my crime was as they were arresting me. The police force need strict disciplinary guidelines and I hope this case gets people talking about issues like that. [/quote]


Erm, epilepsy is part of the story, and it is relevant, because if you drink too much, it can cause a seizure (ever seen one? - I have, and some bad ones).

The officer involved has now been "removed from active duty".

And I always knew you were a crim Grit. I bet it wasn't traffic offences. I bet you were like a pimp or something!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG
And I always knew you were a crim Grit. I bet it wasn't traffic offences. I bet you were like a pimp or something!

LOL It was traffic offences but they'd been after me for about five years so I kind of was asking for it.

I'd love to be a pimp; taking my money from my ho's. Sounds like quite a life.

[Lauren]

Well... she can't even remember it, whats the bother?

He needed to deaden her arm to get her in cuffs without her fighting back, she was clearly out of her head and would have been struggling against them.
She's a criminal, and had this been a man it would be treated differently.

She would've been struggling against the officers and I would've thumped her arm too to get the cuffs on her. Perhaps she should worry about sticking to the goddamn law next time. Silly cow.

Oh and I don't think there was anything racist in it.


Ooh controversial.

[Mrluvaluva]

From Sky

Parents Round On Police
Updated: 14:11, Thursday March 08, 2007

The parents of a young woman repeatedly punched by a policeman say there is no justification for the officer's actions.

CCTV pictures show the policeman hitting 20-year-old Toni Comer five times.

PC Anthony Mulhall said he was trying to deaden her arm so she could be restrained with handcuffs. He has now been removed from frontline duties.

Ms Comer - who suffers from epilepsy - had been thrown out of the Niche nightclub in Sheffield. Police were called when she vandalised a car.

She admits being drunk and says she cannot remember anything about the incident. She is taking civil action against the officer.

PC Mulhall said he hit her "as hard as I was physically able" to deaden her arm so she could be restrained.

The moment Ms Comer was hit She was then put in cuffs and dragged away with her trousers down as a police dog handler watched.

Ms Comer pleaded guilty to criminal damage and was given a conditional discharge and ordered to pay £250 compensation.

She told Sky News: "I can't understand why he did this. There were others holding me down.

"Afterwards, there were bruises on the back of my neck, the side of my head and on my arms."

PC Mulhall said he had been kicked and spat at by Ms Comer, and said she also tried to bite him.

In a statement he said he had tried to subdue her. "There was no visible effect and in the end I had to use brute force and both hands to bend her arm at the elbow to place her wrist in the cuff."

Ms Comer's father, Leroy Walcott, told Sky News: "We need some justice. This has nothing to do with compensation or race.

Alleged victim Toni Comer "What kind of an example does this set? My daughter is 5ft 6ins and weighs nine stone and I'm sure two police officers could have restrained her. It's just not acceptable."

Her mother Lisa Comer said: "There's no way a police officer should punch anybody. She (Toni) had had a fit in the club. There's no proof she was resisting arrest. Her leg was shaking."

South Yorkshire Police Chief Constable Meredydd Hughes told Sky News he'd been horrified when he first saw the CCTV clip, but he'd now seen the whole footage.

"It's important that we reassure the public that there is more to this case than meets the eye and that we are fully cooperating with the Independent Police Complaints Commission so they get all the evidence and can form a judgment.

"I entirely respect the family to defend their daughter. I would be asking the same questions if I had seen only a few seconds of the footage.

"But there are more issues here to judge than the public can see."

[Lauren]

The parents are just schiz cos they've brought their daughter up to be a yobbish criminal. She can't use her epilepsy as an excuse - she shouldn't have been breaking the law.

Perhaps a thump in the arm when she's sober might do the trick.

[GiRTh]

I take it all back.

What a pair of chavs. Who else but BAZG to get a picture of them. He's probably related to them.:wink:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
I take it all back.

What a pair of chavs. Who else but BAZG to get a picture of them. He's probably related to them.:wink:


Shut up Grit! That be my cuzin you be trashin!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by GRiT
I take it all back.

What a pair of chavs. Who else but BAZG to get a picture of them. He's probably related to them.:wink:


Shut up Grit! That be my cuzin you be trashin!

I bet the picture came straight out of the family photo album.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by GRiT
I take it all back.

What a pair of chavs. Who else but BAZG to get a picture of them. He's probably related to them.:wink:


Shut up Grit! That be my cuzin you be trashin!

I bet the picture came straight out of the family photo album.


Well it's the latest one we had!

[Mrluvaluva]

You can watch the video of the parents here:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-cctv2_080307_1100,00.html

[lily.]

Lauren.. the voice of reason arrives..

Oh, and muh fellow prison break fan Nowhere as well... finally some sense... :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
Lauren.. the voice of reason arrives..

Oh, and muh fellow prison break fan Nowhere as well... finally some sense... :thumbs:

You bunch of fascists. I bet you three all think Tony Martin is some kind of hero:joker:

Can you answer my question though. How much force do you think the police should be able to use and do you think they were well advised when they slammed me up against a wall for a few traffic offences.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Linda
Lauren.. the voice of reason arrives..

Oh, and muh fellow prison break fan Nowhere as well... finally some sense... :thumbs:

You bunch of fascists. I bet you three all think Tony Martin is some kind of hero:joker:

Can you answer my question though. How much force do you think the police should be able to use and do you think they were well advised when they slammed me up against a wall for a few traffic offences.


Actually, I do think Tony Martin is a hero. Those kids broke into his place with the intention to rob it. Then tried to sue him for loss of work! I know this goes against everthing I've said, but when it's your own home. This girl wasn't exactly doing that was she?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG

Actually, I do think Tony Martin is a hero. Those kids broke into his place with the intention to rob it. Then tried to sue him for loss of work! I know this goes against everthing I've said, but when it's your own home. This girl wasn't exactly doing that was she?

You've got to be kidding me. Tony Martin is a tw*t and should now be in prison.

I'm all for people defending themselves but, Tony Martin defended himself with shotgun. There is no way on earth that anybody who points a shotgun at someone only intends to injure them. It's was a shot gun that you hunt deers with. He tried to kill those two lads and the law should not allow him to do that. Not under any circumstances.

Then there's his attitude. Do you know he's affiliated with the BNP?

He should be serving time for his assault on those lads.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by BAZG

Actually, I do think Tony Martin is a hero. Those kids broke into his place with the intention to rob it. Then tried to sue him for loss of work! I know this goes against everthing I've said, but when it's your own home. This girl wasn't exactly doing that was she?

You've got to be kidding me. Tony Martin is a tw*t and should now be in prison.

I'm all for people defending themselves but, Tony Martin defended himself with shotgun. There is no way on earth that anybody who points a shotgun at someone only intends to injure them. It's was a shot gun that you hunt deers with. He tried to kill those two lads and the law should not allow him to do that. Not under any circumstances.

Then there's his attitude. Do you know he's affiliated with the BNP?

He should be serving time for his assault on those lads.


If they weren't there in the first place, it wouldn't have happened.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG

If they weren't there in the first place, it wouldn't have happened.

Not the point. Tony Martin should not be allowed to defend himself with a rifle that you hunt deers with and then claim he's the victim. If he'd have took a baseball bat to them then fair enough, a machete I've no problem but a rifle that is designed to kill. No way, it's too much.

OK people shouldn't rob houses but they don't deserve to die for it.

[Mrluvaluva]

Everyones views are different Grit. It would be a boring world if we all thought the same. I think a persons home is their safe haven. When somebody breaks in, then they deserve what they get. If someone broke in my home, and I twatted them over the head with a golf club (or shot them for that matter), it would be me that got into trouble for it. Why should this happen? Goes back to the point of boundaries, and what people think crosses them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Grit, these are the comments of a colleague of mine:

"Tell Grit to get of his high horse about Tony Martin and this girl who got a beating off the cops.

Those lads and that girl both went lookin for some trouble and they found it. nuff said."

[GiRTh]

I think if you twatted them with a golf club you'd be fine. that's the beginning and end of my point. I've got no problem with Tony Martin defending himself it the weapon that he used. Then he was too smug. He'd just killed someone and was acting like he had the right to do it. I remember a similar case about five years prior a bloke killed an intruder with a baseball bat. At the press conference the man was beside him self sobbing, weeping, acting like somebody who knew what he'd just done. None of that from Martin. He's a prick. No doubt about it.

So my main beef with him are his weapon and his smugness in ending someone life.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG
Grit, these are the comments of a colleague of mine:

"Tell Grit to get of his high horse about Tony Martin and this girl who got a beating off the cops.

Those lads and that girl both went lookin for some trouble and they found it. nuff said."

Who, pray tell is the source of such wisdom?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by BAZG
Grit, these are the comments of a colleague of mine:

"Tell Grit to get of his high horse about Tony Martin and this girl who got a beating off the cops.

Those lads and that girl both went lookin for some trouble and they found it. nuff said."

Who, pray tell is the source of such wisdom?


Bret here.

[lily.]

Ok, Tony Martin is a whole different thread.. can we keep on topic.

As for sufficient force, I reckon that getting roughed up a tad is part of getting arrested really. The point being, if you hadn't broken the law in the first place, then you wouldn't have to worry about sufficient force. Also, by your own admission you had evaded them for 5 years, so what was stopping you from doing a runner? Were they to take your word for it that you wouldn't?

In the case of this girl, she was kicking out at the police. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, Tony Martin is a whole different thread.. can we keep on topic.

As for sufficient force, I reckon that getting roughed up a tad is part of getting arrested really. The point being, if you hadn't broken the law in the first place, then you wouldn't have to worry about sufficient force. Also, by your own admission you had evaded them for 5 years, so what was stopping you from doing a runner? Were they to take your word for it that you wouldn't?

In the case of this girl, she was kicking out at the police. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out!

Blimey. Has the stoppy one just told me off?

The fact that I was standing still, clearly had no weapon and made no sudden moves should have alerted the coppers. aren't they trained to see attacks coming. The officer who arrested me was trying to prove a point. You weren't there but trust me he was CUN...oh I won't finish that word.

Who cares that I had evaded them for five years. It was a damn parking fine, I'm sure there are people currently logged on to this forum who have longer outstanding charges. Are you saying that all criminals have the propensity to be violent.

[lily.]

I'm saying that the police go to arrest people everyday who don't look like they would cause trouble or do a runner, and then find out differently.

To be honest, it might have something to do with your appearance (and don't take that as an insult). Some people just look like thugs, even though they aren't and therefore the C who arrested you might have presumed you were guna be trouble.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by BAZG

Actually, I do think Tony Martin is a hero. Those kids broke into his place with the intention to rob it. Then tried to sue him for loss of work! I know this goes against everthing I've said, but when it's your own home. This girl wasn't exactly doing that was she?

You've got to be kidding me. Tony Martin is a tw*t and should now be in prison.

I'm all for people defending themselves but, Tony Martin defended himself with shotgun. There is no way on earth that anybody who points a shotgun at someone only intends to injure them. It's was a shot gun that you hunt deers with. He tried to kill those two lads and the law should not allow him to do that. Not under any circumstances.

Then there's his attitude. Do you know he's affiliated with the BNP?

He should be serving time for his assault on those lads.

I'd have shot them too, except they'd have actually died if I'd been at the shooting end of the gun.

That sounds harsh, but if some little tw*t decided to come into my house then they're putting themselves in grave danger. No pun intended.

Secondly, him being a part of the BNP has nothing to do with whether he'd shoot someone or not.

[Lauren]

As for you being assaulted - the police probably deal with law-breakers everyday. Did it cause any long term damage? Or short term, for that matter?

For me, as long as the police deal with criminals they can do it any way they like.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren

I'd have shot them too, except they'd have actually died if I'd been at the shooting end of the gun.

That sounds harsh, but if some little tw*t decided to come into my house then they're putting themselves in grave danger. No pun intended.

Secondly, him being a part of the BNP has nothing to do with whether he'd shoot someone or not.

Lauren please. If you think the law should protect you from justice simply because you're protecting some possessions that can easily be replaced, then you'd deserve to go down. Killing is wrong and it doesn't matter who's doing it.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Lauren
......For me, as long as the police deal with criminals they can do it any way they like.
Aye, that's what I'm talking about Loz. If you don't like it, then you can always.. oh, I dunno... NOT BREAK THE FLUCKING LAW!!

Jeeeez.. It's not difficult! :laugh:

[lily.]

Originally posted by GRiT
Lauren please. If you think the law should protect you from justice simply because you're protecting some possessions that can easily be replaced, then you'd deserve to go down. Killing is wrong and it doesn't matter who's doing it.

Ok, so hypothetically speaking.. you come home to find some guy raping your sister/mother/girlfriend/wife (pick any of those). And, there's a bat in your hand (just so happens).

What you guna do?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
then you'd deserve to go down. Killing is wrong and it doesn't matter who's doing it.

Oh I know, I'd accept the prison sentence, but I'd live in eternal happiness knowing I'd shown justice to the little buggers.

Haha Linda, exactly! If you're "man" enough to do the crime, then you should accept the punishment, in whatever form it comes in.

[GiRTh]

I may be coming across as some kind of bleeding heart liberal but you are fascists. Sometimes society dictates that certain people become law breakers. It's a fact.

[lily.]

U never answered the question though Geoff...

[GiRTh]

Which one?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
I may be coming across as some kind of bleeding heart liberal but you are fascists. Sometimes society dictates that certain people become law breakers. It's a fact.

There's theories on why people become criminals:

1) Lambruso said it's genetic, no proof whatsoever.
2) Relative Deprivation - The working class feel poor compared to peers, and so do crime for monetary gain.
3) Status Frustration - The working class feel inferior in society and aim to change their status.

And many more similar arguments. But I don't buy into it - people become criminals cos they're tw*ts. :tongue:

PS, being called a facist doesn't bother me much. I've never killed anyone, broke any serious laws, bullied anyone and I'm a slave to society. I just have harsh views is all. :laugh:

[lily.]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so hypothetically speaking.. you come home to find some guy raping your sister/mother/girlfriend/wife (pick any of those). And, there's a bat in your hand (just so happens).

What you guna do?

That one^

[lily.]

I come from a poor background, but it never made me break the law. I agree with your theory Loz..."people become criminals cos they're tw*ts"

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so hypothetically speaking.. you come home to find some guy raping your sister/mother/girlfriend/wife (pick any of those). And, there's a bat in your hand (just so happens).

What you guna do?

That one^

I have answered that question. I 'd beat the living sh*t out of him.

In my earlier posts I stated that it was the fact that Tony Martin used a gun that you hunt with that was my biggest problem. I have no problem people defending themselves only people who defend themselves with heavy artillery then act like nothings wrong.

[Lauren]

Geoff, did you expect him to search the house and find something more suitable? I'd have found the nearest thing that would inflict as much damage.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren

There's theories on why people become criminals:

1) Lambruso said it's genetic, no proof whatsoever.
2) Relative Deprivation - The working class feel poor compared to peers, and so do crime for monetary gain.
3) Status Frustration - The working class feel inferior in society and aim to change their status.

And many more similar arguments. But I don't buy into it - people become criminals cos they're tw*ts. :tongue:

PS, being called a facist doesn't bother me much. I've never killed anyone, broke any serious laws, bullied anyone and I'm a slave to society. I just have harsh views is all. :laugh:

I knew that post would get it cracking. I have to say that I don't believe what I wrote there. Fooled y'all.:joker:

[lily.]

Ok, so in our hypothetical situation, you beat him up with a bat.. knowing full well that one hard blow to the head is enough to kill him.

And.. oops.. you've only gone and killed the beggar....

Now where are you? Are you remorseful.. bearing in mind what he was hypothetically doing to your loved one? Or are you glad the b@stard is dead?

[GiRTh]

I'm glad but remorseful. You get me? I don't want to kill people but I just have done.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
I'm glad but remorseful. You get me? I don't want to kill people but I just have done.

I'd have a little party, hand myself in and spend my life being gleeful.

I'm pretty sick. :laugh:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GRiT
I'm glad but remorseful. You get me? I don't want to kill people but I just have done.

I'd have a little party, hand myself in and spend my life being gleeful.

I'm pretty sick. :laugh:

Seek help Loz before it's too late.

[lily.]

I'm with Loz on this I'm afraid.

For example.. the saying "I'd do anything for my kids" is very very true in my case. If someone hurt any of my children, I would hurt them, and depending on what had happened, possibly kill them, with absolutely no remorse!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GRiT
I'm glad but remorseful. You get me? I don't want to kill people but I just have done.

I'd have a little party, hand myself in and spend my life being gleeful.

I'm pretty sick. :laugh:

Seek help Loz before it's too late.

Pfft, I'll be fiiiine.

(Famous last words).

But no, once again I agree with Linda. If anyone lay one finger on my family all of my conscience and remorse goes out of the window.

[GiRTh]

You two have surprised me I never thought there'd be such anger at the core of our friendly forum.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
You two have surprised me I never thought there'd be such anger at the core of our friendly forum.

We also like to kill small animals and taunt young children.
(I'm kidding).

[GiRTh]

I bet you're not.

[lily.]

We pull the wings off insects as well.

[GiRTh]

I bet you cheered when bambi's mum dies. You pair of sicko's.

[lily.]

LMAO.. sickos.. yeah....

On a serious note.. this is one of the sickest things I've read lately:

CLICKY-CLICKY (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1254821,00.html)

[GiRTh]

Nice. Real nice and I'm about to go out for a curry.

On that sick note (geddit!) i'm orf. Can you two think about what I said. To quote Jermaine Jackson - Kindness is a strength.

[Emilee]

All i can say is that she deserved it. And she shouldnt have vandilised the car in the first place, and if she wasnt so druk, she woudnt be that aggressive. I think the force they used was right for the situation.

And it was not a rasist incident.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GRiT
To quote Jermaine Jackson - Kindness is a strength.

I'm a real nice girl usually.
Too polite.

But no-one messes with me. :whistle:

[Mrluvaluva]

We will carry this one on tomorrow on a new thread. I have some scenarios to pose to Geoff and I want to hear his views seeing as he has been up on his soap box today. We are straying away from the subject on this thread and I want to pose some new questions. Hope you and Linda will look out for this.

[lily.]

Sure will Baz.. there's nothing like a good debate.. especially when the "L"s are around!!! ...

*Don't mess!* :laugh:

[terryNutkins]

Originally posted by Linda
there's nothing like a good debate.. especially when the "L"s are around

Well you got that right. Theres nothing like a couple of rambling feminists to slow proceedings down.:bigsmile:

[lily.]

Feminists.. hmms... nah,,, just gobby cows.. :thumbs:

Have we met?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by terryNutkins
Originally posted by Linda
there's nothing like a good debate.. especially when the "L"s are around

Well you got that right. Theres nothing like a couple of rambling feminists to slow proceedings down.:bigsmile:

Nice first post there!

[lily.]

:rolleyes: Why aren't you in my room yet? :laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

Ooh. They've gone offline. Post a message and then run away. It's a new game for all thekids.

[terryNutkins]

Originally posted by BAZG
It's a new game for all thekids.

Yeah it's called "quick post your post before you get banned again" :laugh:

[lily.]

Scott FFS!

Edit : Or is it the mighty pisshead back to assassinate stropz...

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Linda
:rolleyes: Why aren't you in my room yet? :laugh:

I'm there.

[lily.]

Damn, so you are... oh my, and I didn't even get a chance to tidy up... :whistle:

[Mrluvaluva]

Most probably the hitman

[terryNutkins]

Originally posted by BAZG
Most probably the hitman

you slimey fukkin chav, ill do you for slander

[Emilee]

Oh great! heres another loser who signs up for forums just to insult people then get banned. :bored:

[Mrluvaluva]

I know it's you! That's the last time I help you! lol

[lily.]

Hitman doesn't hate me though.. pisshead does.. so I'm more inclined to think it's pisshead... :thumbs:

[Emilee]

Oooh you think the Hitman is TerryNutkins????

Im confuzzled.

[lily.]

No, Baz thinks that terrynutkins is the hitman and I think that terrynutkins is pisshead.

His first post had a go at me and Loz.. oh,, mind you,, hitman hates loz.. hmms..

Now I'm confused. Could be any of them ...


... Will the real imposter please stand up ...

[lily.]

ooooh.. skins is on...

be back later.. solve this mystery oh mighty bazza... :laugh:

x

[Lauren]

Originally posted by terryNutkins
Originally posted by Linda
there's nothing like a good debate.. especially when the "L"s are around

Well you got that right. Theres nothing like a couple of rambling feminists to slow proceedings down.:bigsmile:

Proceedings?

Are you in a court or something mate?

[Mrluvaluva]

Well the scuzbag keeps u2uing me as I speak. Ooooh. I have a free reign. I have a hold over him!

[Lauren]

He's banned.

:xyxwave:

Now back to the topic, before we get killlllled.

I just watched the video again, it doesn't really look that vicious to me. He thumps her, cuffs her. Thats it. He needed to thump her to dead her arm so he could put the cuffs on her. It's done no lasting damage cos she can't even remember it happening (too drunk!).

[Mrluvaluva]

I must admit, I did not pay too much attention to it when I first saw it. I was watching his arm, and thought he was punching her in the face or something.

[bonnie43uk]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, I'm not going to be popular with my views, but here they are.

1. She shouldn't have been vandalising a car.

2. She probably shouldn't be rat-ar5ed drunk if she suffers from epilepsy (and, if the fact that she was so drunk concealed her having a fit, then she only has herself to blame).

3. She hasn't been charged for attacking the policeman which she clearly did before he punched her.

4. I don't buy the "racist" allegations. This kind of thing happens to white people as well.

5. She's a criminal. If you do a crime, and the police catch you and you resist arrest, then you are guna go down with a few bruises. FACT!



I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. If she doesn't like it, then she shouldn't be a thug.

my sentiments exactly Linda .. when i first saw the clip, i was a bit shocked ( thinking he was punching her in the face).. but she was striking out at him, and he just used his fists to gain control so he could cuff her. All this talk of her having an epilectic fit is rubbish, she'd just vandalised a car 2 minutes before the police arrived. I hope she does'nt get a penny in compo. She should have been at home looking after her baby, not out getting ratarsed and being a menace.

[lily.]

Originally posted by bonnie43uk

... She should have been at home looking after her baby, not out getting ratarsed and being a menace.

She has a child! That's even worse. What kind of example is she setting to her child by behaving in such a way. My kids would be mortified if I was on the telly acting like a thug!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
My kids would be mortified if I was on the telly acting like a thug!

Sorry Linda couldn't let this one go. Tell me, do they ever witness you acting like a thug on here.:joker: (I'm joking)

[lily.]

Lmao.. funnily enough.. no!

I wouldn't like them to see my thuggish behaviour on the internet, but that's the beauty of the net dah-lin... it's anonymous... :wink:

[Mrluvaluva]

Anyone notice who terrynutkins was? lol. I knew it!

[lily.]

Yeah, muh insider U2U'd me and told me who it was. :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

Who was it?

[lily.]

Hitman

[GiRTh]

You don't say. I'd have never suspected.

[lily.]

Maybe it's just as well I didn't come back online last night.. :laugh:

[Tanser_Man]

I was talking to a mate about this yesterday.

She is a yob! She got pissed on Vodka and coke in the carpark, couldn't handle the drink, then she decided to vandalise some cars. The police arrived, she went for his penis and ball bags he used force and arrested her.

She is saying she is epileptic yet she hasn't been diagnosed, even after numerous tests at hospital.

Racism? The copper was about as racist as a slice of edam, she just pulled that card to get everyone looking and feeling sorry for her when really, she was the only one to blame for all of this jumbo.

And have you seen her? She's the meaning of the word chav, and if it was upto me, she'd be banged up.