Is she really a Goody example?

[Mrluvaluva]

From The Sun:

SHE is not winning any awards for race relations - but Jade Goody has made the shortlist for Celebrity Mum of the Year.

The disgraced Celebrity Big Brother star sparked an international outcry over her treatment of Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty.

And after leaving the Big Brother house it was several days before she was reunited with sons Bobby, three, and Freddie, two.

But Goody has been chosen as a contender for the Grattan Celebrity Mum of the Year award in a public vote by more than 10,000 people.

“Her big mouth got her into trouble on Big Brother but the nation still thinks Jade Goody is a mum to admire,” said a spokesman for the awards.

Goody is not the only controversial name on the list.

Supermodel Kate Moss, mother to four-year-old Lila, and Heather Mills McCartney, who has a three-year-old daughter, Beatrice, by estranged husband Sir Paul, are also included.

And there are two royal entries in the form of the Duchess of York and the Duchess of Cornwall.

Victoria Beckham is another nominee, along with fellow Spice Girls Mel B and Geri Halliwell.

In all there are 20 nominees for the prize, now in its seventh year.

Other celebrities on the list include Strictly Come Dancing presenter Tess Daly, pop singer Jamelia, Big Brother host Davina McCall, glamour girl Katie Price (aka Jordan), GMTV’s Lorraine Kelly, model Nell McAndrew, footballer’s wife Louise Redknapp and WAG Alex Curran.

There is no place for last year’s winner, Sharon Osbourne.

[GiRTh]

Are you Mad Baz!!! It's a good job nodisharmony is temporarily not with us. He would have jumped on this thread and made it his own. Be more careful in future.:wink:

Back to the topic. I think she's a terrible example but then so is Jordan.

[Dr43%er]

LOL. I would say any of the ones who do not use their kids to help their career and keeps them out of the public eye deserve it more.

Dr 43%er.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Are you Mad Baz!!! It's a good job nodisharmony is temporarily not with us. He would have jumped on this thread and made it his own. Be more careful in future.:wink:

Back to the topic. I think she's a terrible example but then so is Jordan.


Stop harping on about it you obsessive. What? So I can't post anything about Jade anymore? Anyway, he may be back soon, so it will keep him busy.

[GiRTh]

Yes. Not if you want to keep it open, but one person is likely to hijack all Jade related topics:wink:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GRiT
Yes. Not if you want to keep it open, but one person is likely to hijack all Jade related topics:wink:

I'm not particularly bothered any more.

[Nowhere]

All the nominees in that list bar a few,imo don't deserve that award,especially Jordan!
I don't really have an opinion on Jades' parenting skills, because I havn't seen her with her kids on a day to day basis etc,she could be a good mother,not a very responsible one though.

[tinkerbell]

lol@at jades photo she looks like a wild beast

[Ruth]

Jade didn't see her young children for ages on end, and then kept using them as an excuse as to why people should forgive her and to prove she is a good person really (:rolleyes:) when she came out of the house.

I can think of plenty of better examples of celebrity mothers!

[spacebandit]

Someone willing to blow up at the drop of a hat and over nothing, in public and on television - what must they be like behind 4 walls and in private ?

I wonder if those kids have an armed nanny ?

:pat:

[tinkerbell]

She didnt mention her kids when she was in CBB why she caring now?

[S2]

To answer simply "No"

[Evilempressrose]

Goody is not the only controversial name on the list.

Supermodel Kate Moss, mother to four-year-old Lila, and Heather Mills McCartney, who has a three-year-old daughter, Beatrice, by estranged husband Sir Paul, are also included.

And there are two royal entries in the form of the Duchess of York and the Duchess of Cornwall.

Victoria Beckham is another nominee, along with fellow Spice Girls Mel B and Geri Halliwell.


Compare Jade to any of them and she stands a chance, isn't there any decent competion? No real mothers in the thing?:yuk:

[Mrluvaluva]

I think Heather Mills McCartney will go out in the first leg.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
Goody is not the only controversial name on the list.

Supermodel Kate Moss, mother to four-year-old Lila, and Heather Mills McCartney, who has a three-year-old daughter, Beatrice, by estranged husband Sir Paul, are also included.

And there are two royal entries in the form of the Duchess of York and the Duchess of Cornwall.

Victoria Beckham is another nominee, along with fellow Spice Girls Mel B and Geri Halliwell.


Compare Jade to any of them and she stands a chance, isn't there any decent competion? No real mothers in the thing?:yuk:

How long did Jade leave it before seeing her kids after the got booted off of CBB ?

Instead she chose to concentrate on the important things in her life - herself, her bank balance and her "career"

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by BAZG
I think Heather Mills McCartney will go out in the first leg.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2:

[Crystal-Rose]

no one cares about jade goody :mad:

[lily.]

Originally posted by BAZG
I think Heather Mills McCartney will go out in the first leg.

And the award for "post of the day" goes to..............


That one was class... :thumbs:

[lily.]

Oh, and incidentally.. the women who win that award are usually not good mothers. Good mothers raise their children and set a good example. They don't ditch them at every opportunity and get completely out their face on drugs regularly.

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by Linda
Oh, and incidentally.. the women who win that award are usually not good mothers. Good mothers raise their children and set a good example. They don't ditch them at every opportunity and get completely out their face on drugs regularly.

Completly agree

[Evilempressrose]

Agree also.

[mansi]

No

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by mansi
No


erm Why? Reasons please!

[Sophii3x]

She's probably a great mum. We just don't see it.

[Bells]

I'd say she cares for her children, but perhaps not in the typical, mumsy way we expect mums to be. She's not the most responsible person in the world, but I wouldn't doubt her love for her children.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I'd say she cares for her children, but perhaps not in the typical, mumsy way we expect mums to be. She's not the most responsible person in the world, but I wouldn't doubt her love for her children.



Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

[tinkerbell]

lol why do you always speak like you know Jade and know what is going in her head

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
lol why do you always speak like you know Jade and know what is going in her head


Hi Tinkerbell.

You ask a sensible question and I think you deserve an answer which will make you understand me.

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If I was a friend or an acquaintance or an associate of Jade Goody, and I told you that I know that she does love her children and the reason that she said those comments in various interviews that her children come first and that is why she is doing this?

Then, you could easily say that Jade Goody could be lying to me?

She could be just telling me this, just to save face or any other personal reason. So, like you say. If I know her personally? Then, everything which she maybe told me could be lies, Agreed!!

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If I was just a fan, or a sympathist to her situation? Then, the same thing would apply.

I cannot state facts, because, only Jade Goody knows exactly what happened and what her intentions were.

Maybe she does have a secret hidden racial view of people? I couldn't tell you, whether I know her or not.

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If I was Jade Goody herself or one of her close family. Once again, it may be a bias view or a lie, just to save face.

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Every version of who I may be, all turns up with the same result.

They are all guesswork to anybody on this forum.

Jade Goody is not perfect and has made some silly mistakes. I would imagine that she regrets every part of coming back on Celebrity Big Brother in January and whatever she does to try and help herself, her image or even her children

It will be a very hard thing to do.

I hope that helps?

I shall be friendly in my responses to you, if we can debate in that way, hopefully!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

Jade does love her children - Not enough to see them for days after she left the house, she wasn't too busy for interviews and drinks though

No choice to do weeks of interviews ?, HA HA HA of course she had a choice. she could have gone home to her kids - but there wouldn't be any publicity in that for more than a day.

yes her fans "adore" her, and it doesn't stop them ignoring what a vile manipulative bully she is ..... Jade attracts a certain kind of "fan", one that remains blinkered to reality and then tries and change other peoples minds, hoping that other people suffer from the same form of myopia.

Problem 1 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people are not buying,

Problem 2 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people know what she is.

Problem 3 for Jades "adoring" fans is that they cannot accept it - well... tough, nothing unusual there considering the mindset of the people we are dealing with.

Wake up
smell the coffee
accept that most people think she is a cash grabbing nasty vindictive bully who channel hopped for days and days to save her "career" and didn't go to see her kids until people starting asking why not - then she needed damage limitation on that score as well. Cue her "people" to start planting sob stories.


:pat:

[Evilempressrose]

What sob stories?
I missed them. As a non fan I saw what she did in the house, I saw her eviction..................also her interview, never saw a sob story though.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
What sob stories?
I missed them. As a non fan I saw what she did in the house, I saw her eviction..................also her interview, never saw a sob story though.

Death threats - not true according to the police

house vandalised - not true according to the police

rehab - oh lets not go there its waaaay too risible

the endless meet kiddies / happy with jack utter BS spewed out of heat magazine by the feature editor of that magazine -who wrote jades "autobiography"

Sob stories - stories planted to gain sympathy

all party of a PR campaign to save face and career.

The majority are not buying, end of list

[Evilempressrose]

THEY were sob stories?
I see where you are coming from but they were what she INVITED.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
THEY were sob stories?
I see where you are coming from but they were what she INVITED.

Invited ?

Embraced with open arms, more like.

They still didn't work though :joker:

[Evilempressrose]

They didn't no.

[Evilempressrose]

Fans will buy it all, however.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
Fans will buy it all, however.

Of course they will.

and in the case of Jade Goody, the public are not buying.

This is causing some of her "fans" to go ballistic.
Which is both funny and pathetic in equal measure

[mansi]

^ loll...yes I know what you mean

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony


Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

Jade does love her children - Not enough to see them for days after she left the house, she wasn't too busy for interviews and drinks though

No choice to do weeks of interviews ?, HA HA HA of course she had a choice. she could have gone home to her kids - but there wouldn't be any publicity in that for more than a day.

yes her fans "adore" her, and it doesn't stop them ignoring what a vile manipulative bully she is ..... Jade attracts a certain kind of "fan", one that remains blinkered to reality and then tries and change other peoples minds, hoping that other people suffer from the same form of myopia.

Problem 1 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people are not buying,

Problem 2 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people know what she is.

Problem 3 for Jades "adoring" fans is that they cannot accept it - well... tough, nothing unusual there considering the mindset of the people we are dealing with.

Wake up
smell the coffee
accept that most people think she is a cash grabbing nasty vindictive bully who channel hopped for days and days to save her "career" and didn't go to see her kids until people starting asking why not - then she needed damage limitation on that score as well. Cue her "people" to start planting sob stories.


:pat:


Jade Goody couldn't see the boys immediately, the police wouldn't let her. It was a safety issue and Jade had to do interviews at that time and she did them and showed us all how frightened she was for her childrens safety. Realisation had come through.

I'd need a drink after what she had got put through!

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Jade could have spent less time doing further interviews, that is true. However, the hate for her from so many people, meant that Jade Goody had to really get out there and do her thing and state exactly the truth of what happened in the Big Brother house in January.

Her children are always there for her, when she gets back.

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Jade does have her fans and many of those fans watched the show in January and now have joined the Jade-Hate club today, who has many, many members.

The real fans of Jade Goody who know the other side of Jade, which is separate from what people witness on only three reality shows. Also, they can also see that Jade could be just playing to the cameras and giving what many of the viewing puplic want.

Plenty of drama and arguments on Big Brother, which is what brings the ratings in.

Jade Goody would have watched Big Brother 1 & 2 and would had worked out what brings audiences in.

If you watch a soap opera and there is no drama or baddies vs goodies, etc.. people can stop watching and viewing ratings go down.

Big Brother has been a success story for Jade and her actions on the Big Brother 3 certainly made a big impact on her popularity.

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Many people have chose not to buy into her products, Beauty, Perfume, fitness & other memorabilia.

This is where "ebay.co.uk" & "youtube.com" + many other sites let people have a choice.

If fans wish to look at Jade Goody's past televised appearances or memorabilia and product, many can do so & will.

[Bells]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I'd say she cares for her children, but perhaps not in the typical, mumsy way we expect mums to be. She's not the most responsible person in the world, but I wouldn't doubt her love for her children.



Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

I wouldn't say that, because I never disliked Jade previously - I just didn't mind her. My judgement of her was based purely on her behaviour in the CBB house; after which I was appalled and thus began to dislike Jade. That feeling still stands, but at the same time I think saying she doesn't love her children at all is unjust. Furthermore, I for one think instead of the constant press and tabloid coverage etc. (which is always going to be there), Jade should be left to focus on rebuilding her life and sorting things out. I don't necessarily want to see her in the public eye again, however if she does return she needs to take a suitable gap and choose and follow her career path wisely.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by Evilempressrose
What sob stories?
I missed them. As a non fan I saw what she did in the house, I saw her eviction..................also her interview, never saw a sob story though.

Death threats - not true according to the police

house vandalised - not true according to the police

rehab - oh lets not go there its waaaay too risible

the endless meet kiddies / happy with jack utter BS spewed out of heat magazine by the feature editor of that magazine -who wrote jades "autobiography"

Sob stories - stories planted to gain sympathy

all party of a PR campaign to save face and career.

The majority are not buying, end of list


Jade Goody and her family may have experienced death threats or just threats of violence? But, some may have not been reported to the police. That is her choice to do that or not.

Also, as police officers would have an opinion too. They may have received phone-calls from Jade, but just ignored them.

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Jade Goody may have had vandalism? But, she has more than enough money to fix any possible damage.

She may had felt it wasn't worth reporting, as many would had considered it "justice"?

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Jade did go to the priory and it just didn't work for her and that is that.

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Jade will have met with children, even before this. So what?

Jade is also sorry for what she did and just looking at those interviews which were very vivid, she is not making anything up.

A P.R campaign is what many assume is the case. Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that Jade is indeed not sorry?

[tinkerbell]

How do you know some death threats weren't reported, do you live with her? trust me she will report each one of them and more just fr people to feel sorry for her. and police wont ignore fone calls.

stop talking like you know her its getting pathetic now.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
How do you know some death threats weren't reported, do you live with her? trust me she will report each one of them and more just fr people to feel sorry for her. and police wont ignore fone calls.

stop talking like you know her its getting pathetic now.




You say, "trust me she will report each one and more".


That is (the pot calling the kettle black.)

as the old-fashioned saying goes.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody and her family may have experienced death threats or just threats of violence? But, some may have not been reported to the police. That is her choice to do that or not.

How do you know?

Also, as police officers would have an opinion too. They may have received phone-calls from Jade, but just ignored them.

If death threats were made, they would have a duty to act on it - whatever their personal feelings were.

Jade Goody may have had vandalism? But, she has more than enough money to fix any possible damage.

And your point is?

She may had felt it wasn't worth reporting, as many would had considered it "justice"?

She may have. Or she may have not reported anything, because nothing happened.

Jade did go to the priory and it just didn't work for her and that is that.

Yes....what commitment she showed to getting better - I don't think.

Jade is also sorry for what she did and just looking at those interviews which were very vivid, she is not making anything up.

Okay - are you a body language expert? How do you know all this?

A P.R campaign is what many assume is the case. Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that Jade is indeed not sorry?

Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that she is sorry. Give us proof that it isn't just a PR campaign. Every time people ask you for proof, you refuse to give it - your perogative. But don't expect other people to provide you with proof.

[GiRTh]

You tell him Ruthie. As soon as I saw this bit of nonsense I was compelled to answer but you beat me to it.


Originally posted by nodisharmony
Also, as police officers would have an opinion too. They may have received phone-calls from Jade, but just ignored them.

If there was any kind of threat the police have to investigate, as the police say there was no investigation then we must assume there was no threat.

Nodisharmony, once again you've come on the forum to sing the praises of Saint 'Jade Goody. Why do you think she so so worthy of all the adulation you give her and what are your motives for the constant defence of her? You say she's not perfect and that's there for all to see but why are you so willing to skate over her faults like her aggression, ego, lack of respect for people and general obnoxiousness.

[nodisharmony]

So much questions to answer.

I thought I would answer a few and brush over others.

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We can all see Jade Goody on reality shows and watch her turn nasty to one or two individual house-mates.

Maybe she is like that generally or maybe she is playing to the cameras to further her career or make more money, who knows?

Nobody can say that Jade Goody is genuinely sorry and is no way racist, except herself. Even her family and close friends could never really ever prove that.

So, we have to look at what Jade Goody could have done, after she left the house.

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Jade could have spoke to Davina, said that she had an argument and said some stuff to Shilpa, it was never racial, it was just two people not-clicking.

Then, she could have pocketed the fee from the show, added the money to her "already massive bank balance", then, done the Dermot O'Leary interview. Said exactly the same, without shedding a tear and got paid again and go back to her family.

Then, she could have gone to the News Of The World, said exactly the same, took the money and then go home.

Afterwards, she could of not gone to the priory, not gone to India, not given any money to charity.

Basically, she could have just sat back and waited until it had all calmed down.
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The above story, is exactly what didn't happen!

Jade didn't do all of those things, as she has shown us in many interviews, televised and in the News Papers and Magazines that Jade is very sorry and is trying everything she can to sort out this mess and to try and prove to everyone that she is indeed a decent person, who is far from perfect and didn't know how to argue properly, but was no way racist and it was just a case of two people, not getting on.

Jade went to the Priory, but sadly, it did not work for her there.

There were stories whereby she was apparently causing trouble in there? Perhaps it was people in there causing her grief? It is only speculative after all.

Jade then went to India and she gave quite a bit of money to worthy charities and showed all of us, how much she is doing to make ammends for what went on in Big Brother in January.

Jade is back in England and will probably be working on her next move to prove that she is better than what we all saw on that show. This is a very good assumption and in due course, you will more than likely accept that good assumption which I am making.

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What makes someone support or like Jade Goody is like asking anybody who likes a person who is in the minority fanbase.

Most cannot understand it and for the fans and supporters or for anyone who is part of the Jade's-camp, nobody has to answer that question.

Just say, "I like her/support her, because I choose to".

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade could have spoke to Davina, said that she had an argument and said some stuff to Shilpa, it was never racial, it was just two people not-clicking.

Then, she could have pocketed the fee from the show, added the money to her "already massive bank balance", then, done the Dermot O'Leary interview. Said exactly the same, without shedding a tear and got paid again and go back to her family.

Then, she could have gone to the News Of The World, said exactly the same, took the money and then go home.

Afterwards, she could of not gone to the priory, not gone to India, not given any money to charity.

Basically, she could have just sat back and waited until it had all calmed down.


That's my point. Why did she not do what you suggested here? I would have commended her if she'd only done a few interviews, faded into obscurity and waited for all the fuss to die down.

I object to the obvious stunts that Jade and her PR team are pulling. It all seems like a lot of damage control designed to create sympathy among misguided people and its working.

Let me guess, you're going to reply claiming that Jade hasn't pulled any stunts. Surprise me.

[Diablo]

I couldn't beleive when i found out she was a candidate for mum of the year..

What next?? Jackiey gran of the year..

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade could have spoke to Davina, said that she had an argument and said some stuff to Shilpa, it was never racial, it was just two people not-clicking.

Then, she could have pocketed the fee from the show, added the money to her "already massive bank balance", then, done the Dermot O'Leary interview. Said exactly the same, without shedding a tear and got paid again and go back to her family.

Then, she could have gone to the News Of The World, said exactly the same, took the money and then go home.

Afterwards, she could of not gone to the priory, not gone to India, not given any money to charity.

Basically, she could have just sat back and waited until it had all calmed down.


That's my point. Why did she not do what you suggested here? I would have commended her if she's only done a few interviews and faded into obscurity and waited for all the fuss to die down.

I object to the obvious stunts that Jade and her PR team are pulling. It all seems like a lot of damage control designed to create sympathy among misguided people and its working.

Let me guess, you're going to reply claiming that Jade hasn't pulled any stunts. Surprise me.


I know that you hate me stating facts when they cannot be proved as being so.

That is always the trouble with any debate.

A minority can always come on a forum and say that they know a celebrity and know that they are decent and honest generally and wouldn't be a certain way.

If a member joined this forum and said that, I would

(1) disbelieve that they do know that person.

(2) disbelieve that, even if they do know that person, maybe their judgement of that person is wrong.

This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Critisize me as much as you like. I want critisism, so I can clarify things more. It makes a good debate and a good read, plus, if we can't agree, then we can only agree to differ.
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Regarding your question?

Jade Goody I feel, is not good at dealing with this sort of situation. She was faced with this media frenzy and also, this mass hatred and did whatever she could to help those that had been offended.

She has advisors, who will be telling Jade what she should do and more than likely, Jade was worried about what may happen to her children in school and anywhere else.

Advisors could be giving her possibilities of what could happen, if she doesn't do everything to show others how nice she really is.

Jade Goody has come over quite well on other shows, many are available to see on Youtube.com and for others who remember Jade on other shows, will see a different side.

Jade Goody will have a side which will be seen on Big Brother and the bad arguments are what we remember. There was plenty of nice stuff shown too. But we just forget about that, all we saw was the nasty stuff and only judge her from that.

Nobody can prove that Jade is exactly what you see on three reality shows

But whatever the answer is, Jade Goody has done more to prove to those who were offended, than the other two put together.

If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

From what we see in the whole media, India, Priory, proves it as much as can be proved

[Dr43%er]

Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that Jade is indeed not sorry?


Like wise give me proof she is.

Dr 43%er.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony
This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.




Let's just stick to straight observations please. If you are not prepared to say whether you know her or not, then don't mention it at all. Saying things like that gets peoples backs up. Move on now please.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I know that you hate me stating facts when they cannot be proved as being so.

If they can't be proven, then they are not facts are they?

A minority can always come on a forum and say that they know a celebrity and know that they are decent and honest generally and wouldn't be a certain way.

If a member joined this forum and said that, I would

(1) disbelieve that they do know that person.

(2) disbelieve that, even if they do know that person, maybe their judgement of that person is wrong.

This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Fine, but your posts certainly indicate that you do know Jade. And when people ask you for clarification, you dodge the issue. This makes it seem like you have something to hide.

Jade Goody I feel, is not good at dealing with this sort of situation. She was faced with this media frenzy and also, this mass hatred and did whatever she could to help those that had been offended.

I agree that she is not good at dealing with this kind of situation. But I think she just did what she could to help herself. If she really wanted to help, she could have cooperated with the police - but she refused to.

She has advisors, who will be telling Jade what she should do and more than likely, Jade was worried about what may happen to her children in school and anywhere else.

Advisors could be giving her possibilities of what could happen, if she doesn't do everything to show others how nice she really is.

Her 'advisors' will be trying to make out that she is a nice person really. That doesn't mean that she actually is a nice person.

Jade Goody has come over quite well on other shows, many are available to see on Youtube.com and for others who remember Jade on other shows, will see a different side.

That would be the side of her that bullied Sophie in BB3, that bullied Rik Waller, yes?

Nobody can prove that Jade is exactly what you see on three reality shows

And you can't prove that she isn't exactly what we have seen on the three shows.

But whatever the answer is, Jade Goody has done more to prove to those who were offended, than the other two put together.

If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

From what we see in the whole media, India, Priory, proves it as much as can be proved

Done as much to save her career as possible you mean. Surely you can't be using her stint in the Priory to back up your arguments? She was in there less than a week!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I know that you hate me stating facts when they cannot be proved as being so.

That is always the trouble with any debate.

A minority can always come on a forum and say that they know a celebrity and know that they are decent and honest generally and wouldn't be a certain way.

If a member joined this forum and said that, I would

(1) disbelieve that they do know that person.

(2) disbelieve that, even if they do know that person, maybe their judgement of that person is wrong.

This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Critisize me as much as you like. I want critisism, so I can clarify things more. It makes a good debate and a good read, plus, if we can't agree, then we can only agree to differ.

Thats waffle, first you will not say whether you know her or not, then say you want criticism so that you can 'clarify' things.

You haven't actually said anything. Please stop waffling it only fills up space and waste my time reading it. Stay on topic and make a point.



Jade Goody I feel, is not good at dealing with this sort of situation. She was faced with this media frenzy and also, this mass hatred and did whatever she could to help those that had been offended.

She has advisors, who will be telling Jade what she should do and more than likely, Jade was worried about what may happen to her children in school and anywhere else.

Advisors could be giving her possibilities of what could happen, if she doesn't do everything to show others how nice she really is.

Are you saying she's a puppet? I find that hard to believe. Did her PR team earn all her money for her? If she doesn't want to do something I'm sure she can put her foot down.

Jade Goody has come over quite well on other shows, many are available to see on Youtube.com and for others who remember Jade on other shows, will see a different side.

Jade Goody will have a side which will be seen on Big Brother and the bad arguments are what we remember. There was plenty of nice stuff shown too. But we just forget about that, all we saw was the nasty stuff and only judge her from that.

Nobody can prove that Jade is exactly what you see on three reality shows

More waffle. Try to actually say something.

But whatever the answer is, Jade Goody has done more to prove to those who were offended, than the other two put together.

You've finally said something. I think Daniell has had better tactics. Jade's tactics seem like a PR machine going into overdrive and it smacks of damage limitation.

If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

From what we see in the whole media, India, Priory, proves it as much as can be proved

Proves nothing I'm afraid. Also, why not 'hide away into obscurity'? Jade has enough money to 'hide away' why crave the limelight. Surely it gives people like me more ammuntion.

Edit: Dammit, Ruth got there first.

[lily.]

FFS.... I can't be arzed reading that... :laugh:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Diablo
I couldn't beleive when i found out she was a candidate for mum of the year..

What next?? Jackiey gran of the year..


Maybe it's because of how passionately she showed us in that News Of The World interview.

She was crying for her children's safety, just like a true a loving mother should do.

The "Material World" comment is true.

We do live in one.

Owning some of Britney Spears's hair, is definately materialistic.

[Diablo]

she was that concerend about her kids safety that she went swanning off to every newspaper & magazine interview, every TV appearance and then to India, while her kids were with someone else.

[lily.]

She's a wanksta.. let's face it...

[Diablo]

LOL.. wanksta!! :joker:

[lily.]

I tell it like it is Laura.. :thumbs:

[Diablo]

this is wankstas paradise.. lol

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
I tell it like it is Laura.. :thumbs:

As it is or as you see it?:whistle:

[lily.]

Both

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Diablo
she was that concerend about her kids safety that she went swanning off to every newspaper & magazine interview, every TV appearance and then to India, while her kids were with someone else.


Jade would have received advise from her advisors and everyone else who is in the Jade-Camp.

She pays them well and they have to do their job.

It is natural that a mother would be afraid for her children. That is very understandable.

Jade Goody would want to stay with her children, but, she is a career woman and has a family and a career too.

This kind of comment, whereby people expect celebrities to stay at home all the time with their children and give up their career is very selfish.

Jade would naturally love to stay with her children all the time, but her career was important to her and coming on the Big Brother show again and leaving her children at home is not unusual for someone with a celebrity status.

Jade has said that she went to India and everything else she has done is for her children first and safety for herself and her family too.

She said she is not bothered about her career and this is not her ulterior motive

It makes sense to me and I would say, that it makes sense to any mother who loves their children.

It is time to let Jade Goody get on with her life and, if she does get a revamp of her career, "even better too".

[lily.]

Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it?

[lily.]

Incidentally, I'm a mother who loves my children. I don't drop them with nannies while I swan around doing sod-all though.

[Diablo]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Diablo
she was that concerend about her kids safety that she went swanning off to every newspaper & magazine interview, every TV appearance and then to India, while her kids were with someone else.







This kind of comment, whereby people expect celebrities to stay at home all the time with their children and give up their career is very selfish.




You will have to point out to me where I said I expect her to give up her career and stay home all the time??

If I went in BB and was away from my kids for any length of time, i'd make spending time with them a priority, over the 'please feel sorry for me' routine

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it? Agreed. He seems to waffle out the same factless garbage over and over again.

[lily.]

Oh, I assumed it was a "she"

my bad!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it?


She was bothered about her career, before this Big Brother January incident

Now, she says that she is placing her children and her family first.

This is due to the fear of possible acts of violence or intimidation to any one of Jade's family. That is the MOST important priority and nobody should ever wish that!

There are no facts that this could happen, but Jade is not taking any chances.

I would'nt blame her either..

_______________________________________

If this all blows over and Jade does get a revamp of her career in time-to-come? Jade may pursue it.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Incidentally, I'm a mother who loves my children. I don't drop them with nannies while I swan around doing sod-all though.


Are you a celebrity?

That is not "swanning around".

[lily.]

Yeah, I'm a celebrity. I'm world famous in my living room. And, she fecking is swanning around... leaving her children with someone else. She needs to just crawl under a rock. She's a nothing, and a nobody.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Linda
Ok, so in one breath, she's a "career woman" and in another breath "she is not bothered about her career". Which is it? Agreed. He seems to waffle out the same factless garbage over and over again.


It is called a forum.

We debate!

I have said that part about "fact's" & "speculation" previously in this thread.

Very explanatory, "to the best that I can"

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Yeah, I'm a celebrity. I'm world famous in my living room. And, she fecking is swanning around... leaving her children with someone else. She needs to just crawl under a rock. She's a nothing, and a nobody.


You don't like Jade Goody then?

[lily.]

I never did like her. She's a tw@t.

[lily.]

And, are you getting paid to handle her publicity?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Diablo
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Diablo
she was that concerend about her kids safety that she went swanning off to every newspaper & magazine interview, every TV appearance and then to India, while her kids were with someone else.







This kind of comment, whereby people expect celebrities to stay at home all the time with their children and give up their career is very selfish.




You will have to point out to me where I said I expect her to give up her career and stay home all the time??

If I went in BB and was away from my kids for any length of time, i'd make spending time with them a priority, over the 'please feel sorry for me' routine


The reason I said that, was, because you accused Jade of swanning off to interviews and to India, etc.. Instead of spending time with her children.

Many celebrities do go around doing many interviews and the like and have families too.

You could say that they are all swanning around.

Luckily Jade Goody lives in the UK

If she was in the USA, doing interviews means plenty of long journeys, you know how big the USA is.

Madonna has children and has a very busy career and babysitters too. Are you going to blame them all, "mothers" that is?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
I never did like her. She's a tw@t.

I asked that question, "Do you like her?"

Simply, because, whoever tells you anything good about Jade Goody. Your ears and eyes are closed to it all.

[lily.]

Is it because I is black?

[lily.]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
....Are you going to blame them all, "mothers" that is?

In a word: Yes

Do I think celebrity mothers are good mothers? For the most part, No.

Do I think they should give up their careers? Not completely, but if they want a family they should be prepared to sacrifice some things.

Some celebrity mothers have actually taken a "career break" to raise their children, at least for the first few years, where they need the structure the most. I admire them for that.

It's not like these "celebrities" can't afford to do it. I took a "career break" to raise my children, and I don't have much money, but I was prepared to sacrifice the money and material things in life for the chance to spend time raising my children properly.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by nodisharmony
....Are you going to blame them all, "mothers" that is?

In a word: Yes

Do I think celebrity mothers are good mothers? For the most part, No.

Do I think they should give up their careers? Not completely, but if they want a family they should be prepared to sacrifice some things.

Some celebrity mothers have actually taken a "career break" to raise their children, at least for the first few years, where they need the structure the most. I admire them for that.

It's not like these "celebrities" can't afford to do it. I took a "career break" to raise my children, and I don't have much money, but I was prepared to sacrifice the money and material things in life for the chance to spend time raising my children properly.



You sound like a good mother.

Many celebrities could do better, agreed! regardless of skin colour, which doesn't come into this.

Jade Goody will do things her way.

Britney Spears will do things her way

Madonna will do things her way.
______________________________________

You can't change that! But, you can pick holes in what they do and how they do it? However, anyone can say they are the perfect mother, or even near-perfect. But many are not and that is fact!

[~Kizwiz~]

What i find most disconcerting is the fact that she harped on about her kids saftey and how worried she was about them while doing the rounds on the chat shows and daytime tv programmes.

Now I am a mother, if I thought my children were in danger I wouldn't leave their side especially not do try and gain sympathy!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by kizwiz
What i find most disconcerting is the fact that she harped on about her kids saftey and how worried she was about them while doing the rounds on the chat shows and daytime tv programmes.

Now I am a mother, if I thought my children were in danger I wouldn't leave their side especially not do try and gain sympathy!


It is a very difficult choice to have to make.

Balancing the safety of her children and being away from them, but knowing that they are being protected well.

It is a lot different with Jade Goody.

Nobody could compare their situation to her's.

[lily.]

She dug her own grave though. She can't come back from this now.

I don't advocate violence against anyone - celebrity or not. Nor do I agree with the mob-mentality who throw things at her etc.

However, I think career wise, she has pretty much reached a point of no return.

I was never a fan. I didn't like her on BB first time around. I switched the channel when she was on anything else after that, including this year's CBB. I don't really care if her career is in the toilet to be honest. However, she does have enough money to ensure her and her family's financial security, and she could have just concentrated on her family and invested in a business, without being in the public eye all the time.

It seems to me that she craves media attention all the time, and it's more important to her than anything else (including her children). That, my dear, makes her a bad mother.

[Mrluvaluva]

Whatever happened to her salon?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

It is a lot different with Jade Goody.

Nobody could compare their situation to her's.

And she is different because????

I suppose your going to say that she was in turmoil..... but sorry to burst a bubble..... she brought it on herself. Now I dont condone death thread and such like but the negative media attention that she had was deserved. She behaved atrociously in the house.

[lily.]

Originally posted by kizwiz
..... Now I dont condone death thread and such like .....

Where is this death thread you speak of?

MODERATORS.. shut it down IMMEDIATELY!

:joker::joker::joker:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Linda

MODERATORS.. shut it down IMMEDIATELY!

:joker::joker::joker:

*oopps* my bad.....lol.... could have started world war three there :laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

I was thinking of registering again as Stellagirl and having an argument with Linda. What do you think?

[GiRTh]

Do it. but use Cider Hag instead.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Linda
She dug her own grave though. She can't come back from this now.

I don't advocate violence against anyone - celebrity or not. Nor do I agree with the mob-mentality who throw things at her etc.

However, I think career wise, she has pretty much reached a point of no return.

I was never a fan. I didn't like her on BB first time around. I switched the channel when she was on anything else after that, including this year's CBB. I don't really care if her career is in the toilet to be honest. However, she does have enough money to ensure her and her family's financial security, and she could have just concentrated on her family and invested in a business, without being in the public eye all the time.

It seems to me that she craves media attention all the time, and it's more important to her than anything else (including her children). That, my dear, makes her a bad mother.



You are entitled to your opinion! "of course."

Jade Goody is the kind of girl to not listen to opinions from negative Jade-Haters like yourself.

She would say to anybody that criticizes her for being a good mother as untrue.

Many celebrities and career woman have to balance the two and many get things wrong by going more in the direction of a career than time at home with their children.

Jade Goody can easily be judged by you and people like you who are happy to make assumptions of whether Jade has made the right judgement in a career.

Jade has done very well for herself and could easily live off the money she has made. So could many celebrities and high executives who make a massive wage packet.

If Jade chooses to retire or not, that is her decision.

and for those who want to know now? It is watch and wait time my friends/forum members


Also, if your not a fan Linda. You'll get over it....:spin2:

[lily.]

I am already over it. I was just bored and decided to participate here where everyone else seemed to be yakking...

Originally posted by BAZG
I was thinking of registering again as Stellagirl and having an argument with Linda. What do you think?
What's wrong with arguing with me with your own name? Don't be a pussy! LoL

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Linda
I am already over it. I was just bored and decided to participate here where everyone else seemed to be yakking...

Originally posted by BAZG
I was thinking of registering again as Stellagirl and having an argument with Linda. What do you think?
What's wrong with arguing with me with your own name? Don't be a pussy! LoL


Iwouldn't argue with you Linda.

[lily.]

Well you should.. think of it as foreplay... :tongue:

[Dr43%er]

You are right that jade has every right to pursue her career. Just pack moaning that you cant see your kids. You have free will to make a choice and you chose to not see your kids. Now shut up.

[lily.]

Well Said!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
If Jade chooses to retire or not, that is her decision.


From another post

Originally posted by nodisharmony
If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

Not only are you waffling you now appear to be contradicting your own waffle.

Have you actually got anything concrete to say or are you going to keep this up.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Whatever happened to her salon?


You can read this article:-

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17592639&method=full&siteid=93463&headline=ugly-jade-shop-goes-bust--name_page.html

It is a little old, but it gives you the answer to your question.

_____________________________________________

20 August 2006
UGLY JADE SHOP GOES BUST
EXCLUSIVE Millionaire's prices 'too expensive
By Caroline Waterston
MILLIONAIRE Jade Goody is shut ting down her beauty salon Ugly's after it failed to take off.

The gobby Big Brother star poured £50,000 of her own cash into the shop.

But the 25-year-old mum of two has decided to close it after just a year because it's not making the money she had dreamed of.

Friends believe Jade's prices were too high.

An insider said: "Because of this, clients are limited and it hasn't been as successful as she'd hoped."

Jade - who made a million after taking BB by storm in 2002 - launched the salon in Hertford last September.


She said at the time: "If I can do it, anyone can."


But nowthe business is set to close in January after the Christmas rush.


The insider said: "Jade is gutted. She realises her TV fame and fortune will dry up and thought Ugly's would be a long-term investment."


Jade runs the salon with best pal Carly Walpole.


Facials range from £35 to £42 and massages are priced between £25 and £45.


Jade has never been great with cash. She once faced jail over a tax bill, got evicted for rent arrears and lost £500,000 in a cheque scam.


An aide said: "Jade swears the parlour's not in debt.


"She is closing it because a nightclub has bought the property above her and she thought that would be a concern for the business."


c.waterston@people.co.uk

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Linda
Well you should.. think of it as foreplay... :tongue:
Mucky cow:joker:

[lily.]

That's me... :thumbs:

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade has done very well for herself and could easily live off the money she has made. So could many celebrities and high executives who make a massive wage packet.

Exactly. She has enough money to disappear back into obscurity where she belongs and look after her children. What does she do instead? Rush off to India in a desperate attempt to save her career? Do the rounds on all the talk shows? What about spending some time with the kids she is always talking about?

[Mrluvaluva]

The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bloody press conference for christs' sake?

[GiRTh]

Jade fans will say that's because the press are hounding Jade because she is famous or infamous or something. Baloney.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade has done very well for herself and could easily live off the money she has made. So could many celebrities and high executives who make a massive wage packet.

Exactly. She has enough money to disappear back into obscurity where she belongs and look after her children. What does she do instead? Rush off to India in a desperate attempt to save her career? Do the rounds on all the talk shows? What about spending some time with the kids she is always talking about?



Jade Goody does spend time with her children.

Also, she makes time for interviews and her trip to India which was essential.

She is very wealthy and could quite easily retire.

However, being famous can be very addictive.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.

Maybe bears don't mean to s*** in the woods, it just comes about.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.

Maybe bears don't mean to s*** in the woods, it just comes about.


Hardly a relevant example.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.

Maybe bears don't mean to s*** in the woods, it just comes about.


Hardly a relevant example.

Yeah
Right
Whatever

[Ruth]

What do you mean, she didn't want to make a press conference? She called the conference. Are you saying that she might have just stumbled into it by accident or something:rolleyes: If she refused to be interrogated by the police (and I can't really blame her for that), then she could have certainly refused to do a press conference.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.


Jade herself said it was a private trip. I saw the very quick interview with Sky. In that case, she should not have done a press conference. To say it was private was an outright lie.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.


Jade herself said it was a private trip. I saw the very quick interview with Sky. In that case, she should not have done a press conference. To say it was private was an outright lie.


At that time, Jade Goody would have told the truth.

She had NO reason to lie.

However, in a very small space of time. A pressconference was called and perhaps Jade Goody wasn't informed until a bit later.

Her immediate advisor may have asked her whether she would be happy to do a press conference.

Jade would have been happy to do this and agree at that point in time.

The Press-Conference could have easily been arranged without Jade's sayso, by one of Jade's-Team, just before Jade agreed to it.

They may have anticipated Jade's future cooperation and agreement to this.

Regarding Sky News, they can't wait!! Jade doesn't need to straighten things up with them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.


Jade herself said it was a private trip. I saw the very quick interview with Sky. In that case, she should not have done a press conference. To say it was private was an outright lie.


At that time, Jade Goody would have told the truth.

She had NO reason to lie.

However, in a very small space of time. A pressconference was called and perhaps Jade Goody wasn't informed until a bit later.

Her immediate advisor may have asked her whether she would be happy to do a press conference.

Jade would have been happy to do this and agree at that point in time.

The Press-Conference could have easily been arranged without Jade's sayso, by one of Jade's-Team, just before Jade agreed to it.

They may have anticipated Jade's future cooperation and agreement to this.

Regarding Sky News, they can't wait!! Jade doesn't need to straighten things up with them.


In your opinion. Carry on believing that if you wish, but, in my opinion, that makes you very naive. And even if the press conference was arranged after she said she was on a private trip, she should have refused to do it. I am sure you are on your own with your beliefs there.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
The thing that gets me, and I'll keep saying this, is that it was said it was a "private" trip which was such blatant lies. If it was private, why was there a bl***y press conference for christs' sake?


In the Newspapers it may have said this, and on the news too.

But, what gets said and what actually happens in practise is two different things.

Maybe there was'nt meant to be a press conference?

But it just came about.


Jade herself said it was a private trip. I saw the very quick interview with Sky. In that case, she should not have done a press conference. To say it was private was an outright lie.


At that time, Jade Goody would have told the truth.

She had NO reason to lie.

However, in a very small space of time. A pressconference was called and perhaps Jade Goody wasn't informed until a bit later.

Her immediate advisor may have asked her whether she would be happy to do a press conference.

Jade would have been happy to do this and agree at that point in time.

The Press-Conference could have easily been arranged without Jade's sayso, by one of Jade's-Team, just before Jade agreed to it.

They may have anticipated Jade's future cooperation and agreement to this.

Regarding Sky News, they can't wait!! Jade doesn't need to straighten things up with them.


In your opinion. Carry on believing that if you wish, but, in my opinion, that makes you very naive. And even if the press conference was arranged after she said she was on a private trip, she should have refused to do it. I am sure you are on your own with your beliefs there.


Jade Goody went to India, said what she said, did what she did.

A press conference was called and that is that.

Now, we can debate all day, what, why, how.

It is time to move on and from what the papers are saying now, she is looking to wear Indian clothes in a magazine.

[mansi]

yes it's time for you to move on about your crazy obsession of jade

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi
yes it's time for you to move on about your crazy obsession of jade

You mean, like, "your crazy obsession with Shilpa?"

[mansi]

i've already told you in the past i'm not "passionate" nor am I a diehard fan of shilpa...you on the other hand are a jade fanatic and you would be willing to lick her ass.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi
i've already told you in the past i'm not "passionate" nor am I a diehard fan of shilpa...you on the other hand are a jade fanatic and you would be willing to lick her ass.


I am so upset :bawling: Not!! :hello:

[mansi]

:rolleyes:

[Mrluvaluva]

From www.metro.co.uk

Jordan was crowned Grattan Celebrity Mum of the Year at a ceremony in central London today.

The glamour model was chosen by the public and beat other celebrity mums including Jade Goody, Nell McAndrew, Kate Moss and Heather Mills to win the title.

Jordan, whose real name is Katie Price, has two children, four-year-old Harvey, and Junior, two.

She said: 'I'm so pleased to receive this award. Harvey and Junior will be so proud of their mummy.'

Grattan boss Mike Hancox presented the model with her award. He said: 'The general public showed in their voting how much they respect and admire her as a mother.

'Katie has become a symbol of how a person can constantly be in the public eye, whilst remaining a devoted and doting mum.'

Previous winners include Kerry Katona and Sharon Osbourne, who picked up the award last year.

This Morning presenter Fern Britton came second, while Victoria Beckham was third.

[Mrluvaluva]

Apparently Jade came fourth.

[GiRTh]

Is that the same Jordan who sells stories to the tabloids on how her son kicks her and is generally out of control.

Great mum. She should win it everyear.:rolleyes:

[~Kizwiz~]

if you think back to how Jordan used to be she has changed a lot. You can see she is a devoted mother. She is not in the tabloids as much as she used to be.

[GiRTh]

Point taken Kiz, but isn't there a general concensus that if she hadn't been such a pisshead when she was pregnant he probably wouldn't have the handicap that he has.

[~Kizwiz~]

Ahhh that was just blown out of all proportions. She didnt party when she was pregnant..... or so it says in her autobiography.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by kizwiz
if you think back to how Jordan used to be she has changed a lot. You can see she is a devoted mother. She is not in the tabloids as much as she used to be.



She loves Peter Andre an he loves her.

That is what changes many people and sometimes makes them nicer people inside.:love:

[spacebandit]

Back on topic

Jade left her kids to be cared for by someone else while she dealt with the most important things in her life

Her Career and her image.

Mother of the year ??
Compared to a turtle, perhaps.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Back on topic

Jade left her kids to be cared for by someone else while she dealt with the most important things in her life

Her Career and her image.

Mother of the year ??
Compared to a turtle, perhaps.

"Back on topic, sounds good to us all"

(Why is Jade a Goody example?)

She has the word, (Good) in her name. Jade (Good)y

That's one reason and a good one to start off with.

Any other good reasons that anyone can think of?

We keep hearing the bad stuff. What about the good stuff.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
Back on topic

Jade left her kids to be cared for by someone else while she dealt with the most important things in her life

Her Career and her image.

Mother of the year ??
Compared to a turtle, perhaps.

"Back on topic, sounds good to us all"

(Why is Jade a Goody example?)

She has the word, (Good) in her name. Jade (Good)y

That's one reason and a good one to start off with.

Any other good reasons that anyone can think of?

We keep hearing the bad stuff. What about the good stuff.

What???????? We're supposed to think that the name that she was given by birth means that she must be a good person. Hang on - I've got a friend whose surname is green. Does that mean their skin should be green? What about people with the surnames Baker, Butcher or Cook? Should they all be employed as Bakers, Butchers or Cooks? If that is the best reason you can give people as to why they like Jade, then....

[James]

I don't like how Jade uses her children to get publicity. I was looking at the photo.wenn.com site and there is one of those obvious paparazzi shots which are really setup of her and her children.

It must be setup because I'm sure the papers don't print pictures of peoples' children (unless it is at public event) unless they get the parents permission.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by James
I don't like how Jade uses her children to get publicity. I was looking at the photo.wenn.com site and there is one of those obvious paparazzi shots which are really setup of her and her children.

It must be setup because I'm sure the papers don't print pictures of peoples' children (unless it is at public event) unless they get the parents permission.


Jade Goody will have advisors who will make suggestions. Some Jade will agree on and some she won't.

This one example that you have pointed out could easily look like a setup.

Maybe it was?

I guess that is just part of the problem from the large camp of people who choose not to like her.

I would rather have the problems that they have, than what Jade, Jo & Danielle have to put up with since CBB Jan.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
Back on topic

Jade left her kids to be cared for by someone else while she dealt with the most important things in her life

Her Career and her image.

Mother of the year ??
Compared to a turtle, perhaps.

"Back on topic, sounds good to us all"

(Why is Jade a Goody example?)

She has the word, (Good) in her name. Jade (Good)y

That's one reason and a good one to start off with.

Any other good reasons that anyone can think of?

We keep hearing the bad stuff. What about the good stuff.

What???????? We're supposed to think that the name that she was given by birth means that she must be a good person. Hang on - I've got a friend whose surname is green. Does that mean their skin should be green? What about people with the surnames Baker, Butcher or Cook? Should they all be employed as Bakers, Butchers or Cooks? If that is the best reason you can give people as to why they like Jade, then....

That was a private-joke to a forum member who I shall label as, "x"

Naturally, if you have, "Good" in your surname, it means nothing. However, there are nice parts to Jade and some people could tell you, but they probably wouldn't bother?

I understand what they must think!

[Sunny_01]

I am not so sure that I would say she should be in the top 10 list of good mothers, that said I wouldnt assume to question someone elses parenting skills.

What I will say is as a mother myself I would try at all costs to spare my children from the constant glare of the media. Jade is not the only celeb mum who rolls her kids out for the cameras though so I really dont think she should be vilified for it!

[James]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by James
I don't like how Jade uses her children to get publicity. I was looking at the photo.wenn.com site and there is one of those obvious paparazzi shots which are really setup of her and her children.

It must be setup because I'm sure the papers don't print pictures of peoples' children (unless it is at public event) unless they get the parents permission.


Jade Goody will have advisors who will make suggestions. Some Jade will agree on and some she won't.

This one example that you have pointed out could easily look like a setup.

Maybe it was?

I guess that is just part of the problem from the large camp of people who choose not to like her.

I would rather have the problems that they have, than what Jade, Jo & Danielle have to put up with since CBB Jan.

I'm just wondering... why do you like Jade?

[lily.]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am not so sure that I would say she should be in the top 10 list of good mothers, that said I wouldnt assume to question someone elses parenting skills.

I wonder what these awards are about really? I mean, what criteria do they have to fit to win one? I see what you are saying about not questioning their parenting skills. But, the awards are obviously not based on parenting skills because the media know as much as we do about whether these women are good mothers or not.

The award is just a cheap piece of publicity. It's completely meaningless (as has been shown by previous winners). So, Jade might as well have it as it doesn't actually earn her any more respect.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by James
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by James
I don't like how Jade uses her children to get publicity. I was looking at the photo.wenn.com site and there is one of those obvious paparazzi shots which are really setup of her and her children.

It must be setup because I'm sure the papers don't print pictures of peoples' children (unless it is at public event) unless they get the parents permission.


Jade Goody will have advisors who will make suggestions. Some Jade will agree on and some she won't.

This one example that you have pointed out could easily look like a setup.

Maybe it was?

I guess that is just part of the problem from the large camp of people who choose not to like her.

I would rather have the problems that they have, than what Jade, Jo & Danielle have to put up with since CBB Jan.

I'm just wondering... why do you like Jade?


I am more against "corruption" and "unfairness" and "politics".

Notice how I never diss Shilpa Shetty. Also, I have not dissed any housemate either.

I am zoning in on Jade Goody, as I am intelligent enough to work out, how much she is hated over her apparent Racism.

She is a household name and also, very popular.

I have seen how other forum members have admitted that they didn't mind her before CBB Jan. In fact, a few liked her.

However, as Big Brother decided to zone in on this possible racial angle, as it was very controversial and if Endemol could work out that it would offend the Indian community, then, it is even easier to assume that it would create fantastic ratings, at the expence of three girl's lives.

Danielle Lloyd said some terrible comments, but, people cannot look past her gorgeous looks, so they let her off. Jade Goody has not been known for looking gorgeous, also, Jade has known to speak her mind. If you lie to her, she will point it out and make it into a huge argument.

But, is it Jade playing to the cameras? We know how bad ratings would be, if Big Brother was all friendly. The show has to be exciting and dramatic and even controversial at times.

If Big Brother 8 doesn't get the right sponser, or any sponser, and the show is very nice and polite, with everybody getting on, the ratings could get so low, that this could be the end?

I hope it doesn't go this way.

Jade Goody is a controversial housemate. This is true! But I was horrified about the racial part, which was so over the top and also, over-stated.

I think it is unfair to tell a white house-mate, that, it is alright to argue with a future white house-mate, however, if they are Asian, then, be nice and be careful.

I think that is prejudicial.

I do have strong views on the fairness side of "Racism". I believe that we should all be equal and that it shouldn't be one rule for them and another rule for us. If a white person gets abuse over being white in colour, it should be taken just as seriously.

If Jade, Jo & Danielle felt that Shilpa Shetty was patronising them in every way or, looking down at them, because she had a high opinion of herself, then, that is just their opinion of the woman.

Nobody can click with everybody, if words sounded like they had "racial-over-tones?", then the Big Brother show should have realised this and birdwistled it out.

I can't accept Endemol's rule, stating that they will not tolerate racism, but, will allow this furore to take place, which is very obvious to look & appear to some, to have maybe "racial-over-tones"

[Mrluvaluva]

Some good points there. It is actually a shame that we have to analyse everything with the word "racism" in the back of our minds. In an ideal world, we could just look at situations like this purely as an argument. But unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. It is acceptable for anyone, of any creed and colour, to have an argument, one on one. It becomes unacceptable, when somebodys skin colour, or cultural background, comes into play.

[Bells]

What about the fact that Jade was blatantly bullying Shilpa? Is that acceptable? Hardly! And people can't say that only the racial issue ties into it, because Jade also bullied people - namely Sophie - in BB3. She isn't a good example in the slightest, before I was neutral on her and now I can't stand her. Despite what I may hear, I only judge people based on my own opinions. She's been displaying unacceptable behaviour constantly, yet has been given another chance time and again. This particular time though her ignorance and her general appalling behaviour has put a large proportion of the general public off her completely.

I still have the picture of her in the back of my head, how she was screaming and shouting and using absolutely disgusting language in the CBB5 house. This to me is NOT someone who is a good example, not in the slightest. Fans saying 'She is a household name, and very popular' etc. can keep saying that, but their argument isn't justified. Jade perhaps was popular at one point, yes, but people have woken up now and their opinions have changed. If fans could actually tell me what it is they like about her at present, what qualities etc., then I might just listen.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
What about the fact that Jade was blatantly bullying Shilpa? Is that acceptable? Hardly! And people can't say that only the racial issue ties into it, because Jade also bullied people - namely Sophie - in BB3. She isn't a good example in the slightest, before I was neutral on her and now I can't stand her. Despite what I may hear, I only judge people based on my own opinions. She's been displaying unacceptable behaviour constantly, yet has been given another chance time and again. This particular time though her ignorance and her general appalling behaviour has put a large proportion of the general public off her completely.

I still have the picture of her in the back of my head, how she was screaming and shouting and using absolutely disgusting language in the CBB5 house. This to me is NOT someone who is a good example, not in the slightest. Fans saying 'She is a household name, and very popular' etc. can keep saying that, but their argument isn't justified. Jade perhaps was popular at one point, yes, but people have woken up now and their opinions have changed. If fans could actually tell me what it is they like about her at present, what qualities etc., then I might just listen.


I know you don't want to watch it again?

But here goes:

(Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAQMhirfXKQ

then

(Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHYFxcd6H0c
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Jade Goody's argument was the main reason that people hate her so much at the moment.

Everything else she said and the other two Danielle & Jo said was added to it. All part of the equasion, but the big argument was the main part.

If you watch the videos, firstly, you can notice how easily, this argument could have been avoided. It took over two minutes before Jade made her point loudly.

Whether Jade was just playing to the cameras, just being "typical Jade", who knows?

The second part which you notice, is, that Jade wasn't calling Shilpa Shetty a liar for nothing. Shilpa said that she had just ordered one OxO cube. This is there to see.

It is just an argument and both are grown-ups and Shilpa could have just accepted that she made a mistake and the argument would have dissolved.

Shilpa played into the girls trap and fell in head first. That was just too bad on the day.

It is wrong to bully anyone and if Shilpa Shetty felt she had been bullied, then, all she has to do, is, walk into the Diary Room and make a complaint.

This is what the diary room is for. If you have a problem, Big Brother will sort it. If you are not happy, then you threaten to leave the house. If, that doesn't work, then you will leave.

Big Brother didn't help Leo Sayer, but I don't blame Big Brother for not pleasing Leo, as he behaved so infantile and his complaints were also petty. He just made a fool out of himself, which we all saw. This doesn't mean that he is a bad person generally. It just means that, on the day, he made a bad judgement call and just lost it.

Shilpa didn't deal with it well and listened to Jermaine & followed his advice.

It is difficult and Jade Goody has admitted her wrong doing and also, she recognizes how many have been offeneded and has done what she can to make things right.

However, Jade Goody has acted like this before, on Big Brother 3 and another show, very similar to Big Brother, where Rick Waller was her victim. But, if you look at each situation, she has other housemates who agree with some of what Jade says and also, you need to disprove that Jade Goody is actually wrong. Can you say that Jade is wrong to call someone a Liar & a Fake? If they are?

[Bells]

I really don’t want to watch it again; it makes me feel sick and simply develops my dislike of Jade further.
However, in response to your post - Shilpa is not a liar or a fake, people just don’t understand her and are ignorant of both her background and culture. You’ve got to remember that she is a huge international star, has a fanbase of millions, and therefore WILL have a certain air about her – however, it is one of grace, dignity and confidence, as opposed to falseness. Why should she make a complaint and leave because of some foulmouthed, insecure woman – she’s a strong girl and took care of herself despite getting upset at times. She proved herself that she was the bigger person when she left the Big Brother house, through the way in which she handled the situation. You’re saying she didn’t deal with things well, I say she simply could not have dealt with it any better.

In addition, you yourself are giving me examples of Jade Goody being horrible to others. Are you saying that just because she may have other people agree with her, her behaviour is acceptable? Because it’s not. And anyway, the people who do ‘agree’ with her probably even don’t; Danielle for example was just following the leader, being the weakling she is with no evidence of opinions for herself. Besides, she gave her true opinion of Shilpa after Jade left in fact, and in her eviction interview.

To be honest, I don’t really know why I’m sat here trying to make you see sense, because I can tell from your argument that you don’t really have a lot of evidence, references and facts because it’s quite weak in terms of defending Jade. Instead, you’re giving me all the more reason to argue against her. And I notice you, as well as any Jade fans there may be, cunningly avoid any questions asking what qualities there are about Jade at present that are actually likeable. I spelt it out pretty clear in my last post on this thread – and as I said, until I can read anything worth reading on this matter, my mind is pretty firmly made up.

[Dr43%er]

Nodis, I see you have now moved to the "she was playing up for the cameras" angle. Not seen that one from you befor. That makes it all ok then. Sorry for anything I may have said against her. I also now see that you have just been playing up too with your views of race. I now know that your "swarms of *****" comment wa just to make jdonline more interesting.

Thanks for clearing this up.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Nodis, I see you have now moved to the "she was playing up for the cameras" angle. Not seen that one from you befor. That makes it all ok then. Sorry for anything I may have said against her. I also now see that you have just been playing up too with your views of race. I now know that your "swarms of *****" comment wa just to make jdonline more interesting.

Thanks for clearing this up.


I am watching Coronation Street at the moment.

There is a new family that has moved into the street. Tracy Barlow used to live in the house where this new family has moved into.

Just as the new family were moving in, Tracy has just hurled some abuse at them. Saying that they have got the house cheap, etc..

It was funny timing actually Dr43%er, just a second before this, Gail Platt just said it was a very friendly street.

Do you know something Dr43%er, I expect that, by the end of the year, there will be loads of trouble and arguments and sex and cheating and loads more drama.

This is going to be really interesting and should make some increased ratings for the show?

What I shall do, is, call you (Dr43%er) as the trouble :cloud: and myself as (The lovely Angel) to rescue three girls in mortal danger from tv shows. :angel:

[Dr43%er]

Err?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I really don’t want to watch it again; it makes me feel sick and simply develops my dislike of Jade further.
However, in response to your post - Shilpa is not a liar or a fake, people just don’t understand her and are ignorant of both her background and culture. You’ve got to remember that she is a huge international star, has a fanbase of millions, and therefore WILL have a certain air about her – however, it is one of grace, dignity and confidence, as opposed to falseness. Why should she make a complaint and leave because of some foulmouthed, insecure woman – she’s a strong girl and took care of herself despite getting upset at times. She proved herself that she was the bigger person when she left the Big Brother house, through the way in which she handled the situation. You’re saying she didn’t deal with things well, I say she simply could not have dealt with it any better.

In addition, you yourself are giving me examples of Jade Goody being horrible to others. Are you saying that just because she may have other people agree with her, her behaviour is acceptable? Because it’s not. And anyway, the people who do ‘agree’ with her probably even don’t; Danielle for example was just following the leader, being the weakling she is with no evidence of opinions for herself. Besides, she gave her true opinion of Shilpa after Jade left in fact, and in her eviction interview.

To be honest, I don’t really know why I’m sat here trying to make you see sense, because I can tell from your argument that you don’t really have a lot of evidence, references and facts because it’s quite weak in terms of defending Jade. Instead, you’re giving me all the more reason to argue against her. And I notice you, as well as any Jade fans there may be, cunningly avoid any questions asking what qualities there are about Jade at present that are actually likeable. I spelt it out pretty clear in my last post on this thread – and as I said, until I can read anything worth reading on this matter, my mind is pretty firmly made up.


You have the right to dislike or hate Jade Goody, just as Jade's many fans out there.

She has a forum about her:- http://www.jadegoodyonline.com/

and another website, temporarily out of action, but states the truth on the home-page
http://www.jadegoody.co.uk/

and the main site, which is also off air, but went for sale on Ebay, but didn't sell?
http://www.jadegoody.org/

Jade Goody is a household name. Many children born after Jade Goody became well known, would have been called, "Jade". I saw an article about it once.

She was very popular and if you think she is such a bully and a bad person in real life. How can anybody possibly like her??

Tell me, Tell me??

She does have a massive appeal and many people relate to her crazy & quirky personality.
_______________________________________________

I don't know a lot about Shilpa Shetty. However, what I did see on Celebrity Big Brother in January, was a woman who was very polite and friendly. She seemed to want to know and learn about each and every housemate.

She was the kind of person I would want to know. She came over very nice.

There again, the Mafia can come over very nice too.

We don't really know Shilpa, as we only know about the good side. Maybe she is generally good? Who knows and Who cares? Unless you are a fan! But you would only believe the good stuff and dismiss the bad stuff.

Friends support, enemies condemn and the like.

_______________________________________________

Jade Goody is much different.

She is rougher around the edges. More like a "realist" and possibly "streetwise"

Many people are like that. I know loads!!

Plenty of their lives are made up by swearing and shouting. (Those who shout the loudest get heard the most) and all that.

Jade Goody is not agressive to everyone. We see her on many shows and interviews, (Try not to be Naive or have a clouded judgement, as you have Shilpa Shetty lodged in your brain.) It can happen.

If you annoy someone, they may react differently? Jade Goody will react in her way and you will just have to accept that.

Some people need more care than others.

Try working in an old-people's home and the staff there have to deal with all types.

________________________________________________

I don't avoid questions! If you write a big post and some questions I have to brush through, as there are more important points that need to be brought to peoples attention.

[Bells]

Funny you should mention an old-peoples' home. I actually help out at one (voluntary work) and do come across different types of people. However I don't really see how that has got anything to do with what we're discussing at the moment. You're trying to say Jade Goody's a different sort of person? Well yeah, obviously! Every single person on the face of the earth is different, with different individual qualities - how that makes Jade a good person or a good example is beyond me.

How could anyone possibly like her? Because of her crazy and quirky personality yes, as you say. But that was in the past. She didn't show her true colours, some even think she just plays up to the camera because at the end of the day her whole career has been based on her 'performance' and the way she behaved in BB3 and the follow-up. Whilst I am not saying I agree with that, it is a view. You can still be crazy and quirky yet a rubbish example and generally a bully as well as an ignorant person. I don't see how that makes an awful lot of difference. You keep giving me links to websites saying Jade isn't racist. It's gone past that stage now. I'm talking about her general behaviour and all the other things she said. I don't like ANYTHING about her.

We don't know much about Shilpa? That's quite ignorant of you. You could easily search up on her yourself, or perhaps ask someone who is part of that culture, and knows about her. The sources aren't lacking in the slightest. So it's not that I have her lodged in my brain, it's just that I know the facts and have seen the evidence for myself. To add to that, since it's her argument with Jade that was primarily brought up, I think it makes sense to tell you about Shilpa's side of things and how she dealt with the situation. I don't quite get what you mean about Jade being on shows and interviews - obviously she's not going to be aggressive on those?! So you'll have to explain that a bit rather than going on about me being naive.

Jade might react in 'her' way, but for me, I choose not to accept it, sorry. Plenty of other people feel the same way. For me, her behaviour is not the sort I'd ever accept and so I'm not going to sit around and listen to people tell me that I should. :thumbs:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
Funny you should mention an old-peoples' home. I actually help out at one (voluntary work) and do come across different types of people. However I don't really see how that has got anything to do with what we're discussing at the moment. You're trying to say Jade Goody's a different sort of person? Well yeah, obviously! Every single person on the face of the earth is different, with different individual qualities - how that makes Jade a good person or a good example is beyond me.

How could anyone possibly like her? Because of her crazy and quirky personality yes, as you say. But that was in the past. She didn't show her true colours, some even think she just plays up to the camera because at the end of the day her whole career has been based on her 'performance' and the way she behaved in BB3 and the follow-up. Whilst I am not saying I agree with that, it is a view. You can still be crazy and quirky yet a rubbish example and generally a bully as well as an ignorant person. I don't see how that makes an awful lot of difference. You keep giving me links to websites saying Jade isn't racist. It's gone past that stage now. I'm talking about her general behaviour and all the other things she said. I don't like ANYTHING about her.

We don't know much about Shilpa? That's quite ignorant of you. You could easily search up on her yourself, or perhaps ask someone who is part of that culture, and knows about her. The sources aren't lacking in the slightest. So it's not that I have her lodged in my brain, it's just that I know the facts and have seen the evidence of myself. Additionally, since it's her argument with Jade that was primarily brought up, I think it makes sense to tell you about Shilpa's side of things and how she dealt with the situation. I don't quite get what you mean about Jade being on shows and interviews - obviously she's not going to be aggressive on those?! So you'll have to explain that a bit rather than going on about me being naive.

Jade might react in 'her' way, but for me, I choose not to accept it, sorry. Plenty of other people feel the same way. For me, her behaviour is not the sort I'd ever accept and so I'm not going to sit around and listen to people tell me that I should. :thumbs:

I brought up the Old People's home, as, many old people can be difficult to deal with and the staff there have to be understanding and patient too.

Jade Goody has a firery personality and that is true. So, she needs a different kind of attention. Be aware of her and don't let her know that somebody is a liar.

______________________________________________

People do like Jade Goody! I know, it is mad and crazy to believe. But she is worth millions and she was in mass demand. Accept it...

I don't want to know anything about Shilpa. She is a Bollywood actress. I had never heard of her before. I don't think anyone else in the house knew her? Or any other white English person either. Well, maybe a few??

Jade goes on Interviews and behaves nice. Naturally she isn't going to be nasty, but she has done loads of other things and the judgements you make are only from three appearances and what you see on the newspapers. That is why I said the word, "naive". Don't take that the wrong way! I am generally nice and tactful actually. Unless it is to forum members, (Spacebandit) or (Dr43%er) then it is all out war.

You are entitled to your opinion of Jade Goody. But, don't wish her harm, just because of her behavior on three shows.

She is a mother and naturally wants her children to be safe.

[Bells]

Not once have I wished her harm. If you read the first two pages of this thread, you'll see what I've said about her motherhood, and some of the posts you even replied to. Although despite everything, just because she is a mother doesn't mean she 'naturally' wants her children to be safe - even though I'm not necessarily disagreeing, you can't state that as a fact.I am normally very judged and fair myself. You may think you're nice and tactful, but you're not the most open-minded person I've come across I must admit. I don't understand how you can say things like 'Don't let her know that you are a liar' when you probably don't know the facts yourself, and to be completely honest I doubt Jade does either! And if you don't want to know about Shilpa when you're discussing her argument with Jade, then how you can structure your own argument I have no idea. It's not her background I'm on about, but her behaviour in the house and the way she handles situations. You've just ended the argument right there by saying you don’t want to know.

And you're saying that people actually like Jade – well, perhaps, but a very limited number in my view. Of course I know she's worth millions and was in mass demand, those are not the factors I'm choosing to ignore and not accept. I'm baffled as to what you mean by telling me not to judge Jade based on what I've seen of her. What I've seen is what everyone else in the general public has seen, I believe. What is it that you know about her that we perhaps don't? You somehow keep avoiding the question I repeatedly ask, and that is what qualities do you actually like about her at present? It really is beyond my comprehension, because based on everything I've posted recently, my opinion has only become stronger.

[mansi]

it's wrong to compare individuals at old folks home with jade's behaviour...irrelevant :rolleyes:..

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
Not once have I wished her harm. If you read the first two pages of this thread, you'll see what I've said about her motherhood, and some of the posts you even replied to. Although despite everything, just because she is a mother doesn't mean she 'naturally' wants her children to be safe - even though I'm not necessarily disagreeing, you can't state that as a fact.I am normally very judged and fair myself. You may think you're nice and tactful, but you're not the most open-minded person I've come across I must admit. I don't understand how you can say things like 'Don't let her know that you are a liar' when you probably don't know the facts yourself, and to be completely honest I doubt Jade does either! And if you don't want to know about Shilpa when you're discussing her argument with Jade, then how you can structure you own argument I have no idea. It's not her background I'm on about, but her behaviour in the house and the way she handles situations. You've just ended the argument right there by saying you don’t want to know.

And you're saying that people actually like Jade – well, perhaps, but a very limited number in my view. Of course I know she's worth millions and was in mass demand, those are not the factors I'm choosing to ignore and not accept. I'm baffled as to what you mean by telling me not to judge Jade based on what I've seen of her. What I've seen is what everyone else in the general public has seen, I believe. What is it that you know about her that we perhaps don't? You somehow keep avoiding the question I repeatedly ask, and that is what qualities do you actually like about her at present? It really is beyond my comprehension, because based on everything I've posted recently, my opinion has only become stronger.

I understand that you don't wish her harm. But, it is a justified view from herself, that there are fanatical people out there, who may go in that direction?

Do you want something concrete?

click on this newspaper article of recent violent events which would make Jade expect more trouble and further apprehention :-
http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk/celebrity-big-brother/jackiey-budden-attacked-in-street/

Jackiey Budden Attacked In Street
File under: celebrity big brother, Jackiey Goody
Jackiey Goody, Celebrity Big Brother housemate and mum of Jade Goody, was set upon by a group of four asian men on Friday who pushed her up against a car and called her a racist b***h.

Jackiey told The People, “I’m absolutely petrified. I thought my life was getting back to normal after everything that happened with Big Brother and all that.

“But what happened on Friday has come as a real setback. I don’t want to let these people force me out of my manor, that would mean they won. Anyone who knows me knows I’m not a bad person.”

______________________________________________

I have edited that comment about the (Liar) part. I was actually referring to somebody generally, not yourself.

I saw Shilpa in the house and watched the edited footage which Big Brother let us see.

I am open-minded enough, to work out that is not hard to work out that Jade, Jo & Danielle could have been provoked by edited out unseen footage. Shilpa saying something, for instance?

If many people like Jade, I can understand why she is so wealthy and in such demand. You say a limited amount like her?? is that twenty, thirty?? name a reasonable figure which would match her bank balance please.

It is hard to say, why someone likes a celebrity?

I like Charles Bronson in movies. But, I can't say why, I just do.

I like Bernard Manning. He's so funny! But I can't laugh at anything Harry Hill ever says. He is so UN-funny, to me.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am not so sure that I would say she should be in the top 10 list of good mothers, that said I wouldnt assume to question someone elses parenting skills.

I wonder what these awards are about really? I mean, what criteria do they have to fit to win one? I see what you are saying about not questioning their parenting skills. But, the awards are obviously not based on parenting skills because the media know as much as we do about whether these women are good mothers or not.

The award is just a cheap piece of publicity. It's completely meaningless (as has been shown by previous winners). So, Jade might as well have it as it doesn't actually earn her any more respect.

I see where you are coming from there Linda. I am not sure how they are judged to be honest and would be really interested to find out. Are they done via opinion poll! are they done based on good deeds! I mean with Jordan it I would imagine has been to do with her support of her poorly son who has spent a lot of time in and out of hospital. She has shown a big committment to him (as would any mother)

That all said I reckon I should get mother of the year award. I trail my daughter all over the country for her ice hockey games. I give up at least 2 of my evenings a week to take her to train and 2 fridays a month I travel to either Sheffield or Coventry for her to train from 10pm till midnight for the northern conference team, then get back in my car and drive her home (while she rests lol)

I also in between all of that look after my house, work full time, and support my eldest daughter who is pregnant by attending appointments with her and have also helped with decorating her new house.

Does that put me in line for next awards :lovedup:

[Dr43%er]

I like Bernard Manning. He's so funny!


Why am I not surprised. I am shocked though. Me and you agree on something. Harry Hill is not funny.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Does that put me in line for next awards :lovedup:

Yeah, ordinary people should get it too......:spin:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Sunny_01
Does that put me in line for next awards :lovedup:

Yeah, ordinary people should get it too......:spin:

I will nominate you next time round Linda :thumbs2: but you did say ordinary people so not that sure that we will qualify :elephant:

[lily.]

HaHa.. true dat girl! :laugh:

[Bells]

So basically nodisharmony, you JUST happen to like Jade? You're saying you 'just do'.

Thanks... that really does clear up an awful lot. :thumbs:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
So basically nodisharmony, you JUST happen to like Jade? You're saying you 'just do'.

Thanks... that really does clear up an awful lot. :thumbs:

And isnt that the answer we have all been waiting for! at the end of the day we all Just do! like our friends!

[Bells]

I can still think of a couple of reasons as to why I like my friends though, and what qualities I appreciate in a person. But each time I ask the question in terms of giving me reasons, and telling me why I should like Jade Goody and give her a chance (because that's what I'm repeatedly told to do) the question is avoided or an answer like that is given. I gave my reasons as to why I don't like her. So surely if I ask the question, a fan ought to provide me with reasons as to why I should.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
So basically nodisharmony, you JUST happen to like Jade? You're saying you 'just do'.

Thanks... that really does clear up an awful lot. :thumbs:


She's okay :wink:

Like I said earlier, it is more about the situation and the unfairness.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I can still think of a couple of reasons as to why I like my friends though, and what qualities I appreciate in a person. But each time I ask the question in terms of giving me reasons, and telling me why I should like Jade Goody and give her a chance (because that's what I'm repeatedly told to do) the question is avoided or an answer like that is given. I gave my reasons as to why I don't like her. So surely if I ask the question, a fan ought to provide me with reasons as to why I should.


Nobody is saying that you have to like any celebrity.

You will probably never meet Jade Goody? so it hardly matters anyway.

But she was a housemate in BB & CBB and she is in a fix right now.

[Bells]

LOL, neither will you.
And that's fair enough that you're supporting her because of what she's had to go through after leaving. Even if she has brought it on herself which I feel, I also equally feel that instead of continuously being shown in the media etc., she should be given the opportunity to just sort out her life. So whilst I still don’t think ‘she’s okay’, I do agree with that aspect. At the same time however I do not condone her behaviour.

:wink:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
LOL, neither will you.
And that's fair enough that you're supporting her because of what she's had to go through after leaving. Even if she has brought it on herself which I feel, I also equally feel that instead of continuously being shown in the media etc., she should be given the opportunity to just sort out her life. So whilst I still don’t think ‘she’s okay’, I do agree with that aspect. At the same time however I do not condone her behaviour.

:wink:


I agree with all of that.

I don't just say this for Jade's sake, but for Danielle and Jo too.