Trump youtube videos

[Johnnyuk123]

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This guy does not agree with De Niro too.

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[user104658]

I was just thinking that I would like to watch some bargain basement propaganda and, low and behold, there was some here just waiting for me! What are the chances...

[Crimson Dynamo]

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the donald:

[Johnnyuk123]

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the donald:

Welcome back LT.You have been missed.:hug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Welcome back LT.You have been missed.:hug:

look at the state of what left?

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[Shaun]

I can see why some tire of celebrity endorsements of political campaigns (or the exact opposite, as in this case) but they appear to have been around for as long as I've been born. Bush, Romney and McCain certainly were - I'd imagine it's been going since the 50s.

For all of his whipping up of anti-establishment support, I can't understand what the alternative is that Trump brings to the table. Is he impervious to corporate backhanding and media luvvies? Was he not himself a host of Saturday Night Live last year? Has he not done a roast? It doesn't quite have the same effect: trashing the media for rigging it against you and yet feeding off of it.

[user104658]

look at the state of what left?

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Look state what lefft derp.

...Have you just spent the whole time drinking again LT? :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look state what lefft derp.

...Have you just spent the whole time drinking again LT? :hehe:

is 87% the whole time?

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

it better not be

:fist:

[user104658]

I can see why some tire of celebrity endorsements of political campaigns (or the exact opposite, as in this case) but they appear to have been around for as long as I've been born. Bush, Romney and McCain certainly were - I'd imagine it's been going since the 50s.

For all of his whipping up of anti-establishment support, I can't understand what the alternative is that Trump brings to the table. Is he impervious to corporate backhanding and media luvvies? Was he not himself a host of Saturday Night Live last year? Has he not done a roast? It doesn't quite have the same effect: trashing the media for rigging it against you and yet feeding off of it.

He is isn'nert any of a celebrity hush, he has actually never een been on TV, that was someone else, this guy is going to lasso the moon and haul it down to Earth and set Americans to work, with American tools, mining American moon cheese, to sell for American dollars, with which to build American rocket ships, to fly into American outer space, and harvest American Mars. Woop woop! 'Murcaaaa. He has promised you that he will Trump the Moon and he will damn well Trump the **** out of that moon, goshdarnit.

[Johnnyuk123]

He is isn'nert any of a celebrity hush, he has actually never een been on TV, that was someone else, this guy is going to lasso the moon and haul it down to Earth and set Americans to work, with American tools, mining American moon cheese, to sell for American dollars, with which to build American rocket ships, to fly into American outer space, and harvest American Mars. Woop woop! 'Murcaaaa. He has promised you that he will Trump the Moon and he will damn well Trump the **** out of that moon, goshdarnit.

Link please...

[the truth]

deniro is an uber legend, the greatest movie actor of all time , a man I love. BUT on this rare occasion I dont agree with him or the way he delivered his message. He seems to be pandering to the liberal politically correct hollywood elite, which surprises me as hes spent a lifetime playing incredible, brave and unique roles of mavericks and underdogs.

[user104658]

Link please...

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/ktrk/images/cms/477614_1280x720.jpg

[Withano]

deniro is an uber legend, the greatest movie actor of all time , a man I love. BUT on this rare occasion I dont agree with him or the way he delivered his message. He seems to be pandering to the liberal politically correct hollywood elite, which surprises me as hes spent a lifetime playing incredible, brave and unique roles of mavericks and underdogs.

Everyone who dislikes trump are probs just pretending to impress those lefties. Pc gone mad, brexit is good, trump is also good, lefties are loonies,

[rk3388]

deniro is an uber legend, the greatest movie actor of all time , a man I love. BUT on this rare occasion I dont agree with him or the way he delivered his message. He seems to be pandering to the liberal politically correct hollywood elite, which surprises me as hes spent a lifetime playing incredible, brave and unique roles of mavericks and underdogs.

Hmmm Brave, incredible or underdog are not any words I would use to describe Donald Trump.

From the moment he was born he's been fed with a silver spoon

[rk3388]

Can someone please tell me one or two policy ideas of Donald Trump to warrant any support? Not trying to troll just trying to understand the other side.

[Withano]

Can someone please tell me one or two policy ideas of Donald Trump to warrant any support? Not trying to troll just trying to understand the other side.

Why you bringing politics into this

[rk3388]

Why you bringing politics into this

Because most of the support I hear for Trump is "Hillary is a crook" or "release the emails!" and I never hear any word of his horrendous policies. Maybe there are one or two that I am unaware of

[the truth]

Can someone please tell me one or two policy ideas of Donald Trump to warrant any support? Not trying to troll just trying to understand the other side.

Rebuilding the industries
increasing tariffs on chinese steel
raising taxes on those taking american jobs abroad
reducing government red tape on small businesses
spending more on war veterans
protecting the borders against criminal illegal immigrants entering
Tax breaks for american businesses who remain in the usa and reduce their regulation to help them grow home grown jobs
to stop supplying weapons to so called rebels we dont even know across the middle east when the weapons often end up in the hands of ISIS

[rk3388]

Rebuilding the industries
increasing tariffs on chinese steel
raising taxes on those taking american jobs abroad
reducing government red tape on small businesses
spending more on war veterans
protecting the borders against criminal illegal immigrants entering
Tax breaks for american businesses who remain in the usa and reduce their regulation to help them grow home grown jobs
to stop supplying weapons to so called rebels we dont even know across the middle east when the weapons often end up in the hands of ISIS

If this is a comprehensive list I'm scared :shocked:
Especially considering Trump is lowering the taxes of big corporations by over half- which will be the death of small businesses.

On the immigration policy you can't say his is superior --> Calling Syrian refugees "unknown people" when we know what exactly they are searching for which is safety

Also the home grown jobs being all industrial assembly line work is not going to do much for the lower-middle class Americans

[rk3388]

I need to hear more about education, healthcare, women's rights, THE ENVIRONMENT before I can give him any credibility.

ALSO putting it out there that I am by no means a fan of Hillary. I just can't see her presidency being as ecologically, socially and economically destructive as Trump.

[Withano]

Because most of the support I hear for Trump is "Hillary is a crook" or "release the emails!" and I never hear any word of his horrendous policies. Maybe there are one or two that I am unaware of

Still.. Its a bit mean to talk about politics when its clearly not his strength

[Cherie]

Look state what lefft derp.

...Have you just spent the whole time drinking again LT? :hehe:

You are the last person I expected to see joking about LT having a wee dram :omgno:

[the truth]

I need to hear more about education, healthcare, women's rights, THE ENVIRONMENT before I can give him any credibility.

ALSO putting it out there that I am by no means a fan of Hillary. I just can't see her presidency being as ecologically, socially and economically destructive as Trump.

all of the policies I listed should see the economy improve and see more money for these other areas
he has spoken on education and social security and said he will maintain spending at the same level. he is to over turn obamacare and replace it with a less expensive less burocratic insurance system in an attempt to lower the escalating costs which are crippling small businesses. womens rights? they have all rights? disability payments he will payment...environment he has said he will invest in green energies

[Liberty4eva]

A couple of weeks ago Donald Trump gave a speech at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania (a famous Civil War battlefield). It wasn't has most energetic speech but it oozes issues and what he intends to do as president. The media didn't cover the specifics in the speech because they are biased. It ought to convince his most venomous critic to acknowledge that he has some good ideas. If it doesn't convince you, then you are hopeless. :hee:

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[Kizzy]

No

[Withano]

He took part in three live debates and made a twat of himself. People who get persuaded by a speech he didnt write are hopeless.

[Withano]

I got to 56 seconds. Why is he talking about divisions being a bad thing when basically saying we need more of it is why hes doing so well in the first place? I wont watch the rest for my sanity.

[user104658]

People who get persuaded by a speech he didn't write are hopeless.


Exactly. Huge part of the problem with Trump support. He simply promises people the world, grand statements about putting "American Steel into the spine of the US", "Making America Great Again" and people just lap it up.

They are words. Nothing more. He tells people what they want to hear and is like "Yeah we'll do this, and this, and yep we'll totally do that too!" with very little idea of how any of it is actually going to happen or be vaguely possible (because most of it isn't).

"Speech that would convince most people on here to support him"? :umm2: Anyone who finds themselves swayed or convinced by any contrived slice of oratory, in any situation, is an idiot. The same people who are swayed into buying any product because the advertising was good. That's all it is. Advertising. And the product very rarely lives up to the hype.

...He's the "No Man's Sky" of candidates.

[user104658]

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Rebuilding the industries

His plan is extremely vague and not even a clue as to funding it, he seems to think he can just "do it". "I'm gunna build 20 million new factories y'all!"


Increasing tariffs on chinese steel

His idea being that this will revive American steel. In reality it'll just make most large projects involving steel unaffordable. e.g. the above factories.


Raising taxes on those taking american jobs abroad

Again, sounds like a positive but he's offered nothing on how this would actually be implemented or how this would actually work. He also assumes blindly that it will result in more "American jobs for Americans" - rather than the entire companies simply relocating.


reducing government red tape on small businesses
This is designed to benefit people who are already multi-millionaires. "Small" does not mean your local take-away owner. At the same time it also essentially means reduced regulation / more shady and underhanded business tactics making things worse for the average worker.


spending more on war veterans
This is a simple buzz-policy. Most people have a war vet in their family or at least know one. A policy purely designed for public opinion. Great if he actually does it, but essentially it's little more than a relatively inexpensive popularity boost.


protecting the borders against criminal illegal immigrants entering
Will cost a fortune and have little to zero practical effect. He won't stop illegal immigration or even reduce it by more than a few %. Another vanity project for people to dribble over.


Tax breaks for american businesses who remain in the usa and reduce their regulation to help them grow home grown jobs.

See above. This will benefit people who are already millionaires, whilst damaging working conditions for employees.

to stop supplying weapons to so called rebels we dont even know across the middle east when the weapons often end up in the hands of ISIS

Again, whilst this would be great (if every country would it it), in reality it's just "buzz politics" and will have little to zero practical effect. The terrorists will still be armed, the policy will change absolutely nothing, other than being able to say "Well it's not us arming them". Of course it's the right thing to do but it isn't going to "improve America" or the world in any practical way, only morally.

[Kizzy]

Exactly. Huge part of the problem with Trump support. He simply promises people the world, grand statements about putting "American Steel into the spine of the US", "Making America Great Again" and people just lap it up.

They are words. Nothing more. He tells people what they want to hear and is like "Yeah we'll do this, and this, and yep we'll totally do that too!" with very little idea of how any of it is actually going to happen or be vaguely possible (because most of it isn't).

"Speech that would convince most people on here to support him"? :umm2: Anyone who finds themselves swayed or convinced by any contrived slice of oratory, in any situation, is an idiot. The same people who are swayed into buying any product because the advertising was good. That's all it is. Advertising. And the product very rarely lives up to the hype.

...He's the "No Man's Sky" of candidates.

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

[Northern Monkey]

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

So anyone who voted leave are gullible now?Nice way to insult more than half of the voting public:thumbs:

[kirklancaster]

Exactly. Huge part of the problem with Trump support. He simply promises people the world, grand statements about putting "American Steel into the spine of the US", "Making America Great Again" and people just lap it up.

They are words. Nothing more. He tells people what they want to hear and is like "Yeah we'll do this, and this, and yep we'll totally do that too!" with very little idea of how any of it is actually going to happen or be vaguely possible (because most of it isn't).

"Speech that would convince most people on here to support him"? :umm2: Anyone who finds themselves swayed or convinced by any contrived slice of oratory, in any situation, is an idiot. The same people who are swayed into buying any product because the advertising was good. That's all it is. Advertising. And the product very rarely lives up to the hype.

...He's the "No Man's Sky" of candidates.

I actually agree with most of your post T.S.

But your points apply equally to ALL political aspirants to any 'High Office' in ANY Democratic country of the world, not just to Donald Trump and the USA Presidential race.

Further;

Although, as you rightly say, MOST pre-Election promises made by politicians seeking office are NOT kept, NO ONE can ever absolutely state with total certainty that such promises will definitely not be kept, because such prescience cannot be verified until after the election - indeed, after the term of office of the Elected politician who made the promises has actually ended.

Then, and ONLY then, can anyone say with absolute certainty that pre-Election promises were NOT kept.

[user104658]

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

That's why I have money on Trump to win, Kizzy :joker:

[Kizzy]

So anyone who voted leave are gullible now?Nice way to insult more than half of the voting public:thumbs:

In my opinion yes, or at best misguided... overly optimistic that the lies they were being fed were going to come to anything.
It corresponds very well to the blind faith in Trump to 'make America great again' it's just a mantra, it means nothing.

[kirklancaster]

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

I'm afraid that your post - in addition to being personally insulting to those of us who voted to Brexit - is not only absolute meaningless nonsense, but also PREMATURE absolute meaningless nonsense at that.

We have NOT YET Brexited.

Knee-Jerk reactions and 'Private Fraser' type irrational screaming of 'We're Doomed, we're all doomed' are ludicrous.

[user104658]

I actually agree with most of your post T.S.

But your points apply equally to ALL political aspirants to any 'High Office' in ANY Democratic country of the world, not just to Donald Trump and the USA Presidential race.

Further;

Although, as you rightly say, MOST pre-Election promises made by politicians seeking office are NOT kept, NO ONE can ever absolutely state with total certainty that such promises will definitely not be kept, because such prescience cannot be verified until after the election - indeed, after the term of office of the Elected politician who made the promises has actually ended.

Then, and ONLY then, can anyone say with absolute certainty that pre-Election promises were NOT kept.

True, it's the system that's a mess more than any one candidate. The other "side" of Trump support being those who don't believe his rhetoric, but think that electing someone like Trump will "change the game"... which I very much doubt it will.

[Kizzy]

I'm afraid that your post - in addition to being personally insulting to those of us who voted to Brexit - is not only absolute meaningless nonsense, but also PREMATURE absolute meaningless nonsense at that.

We have NOT YET Brexited.

Knee-Jerk reactions and 'Private Fraser' type irrational screaming of 'We're Doomed, we're all doomed' are ludicrous.

I know we haven't, and yet we know any pre referendum promises were lies already.
The same will happen with all these pie crust promises from trump.

[kirklancaster]

I got to 56 seconds. Why is he talking about divisions being a bad thing when basically saying we need more of it is why hes doing so well in the first place? I wont watch the rest for my sanity.

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

[user104658]

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

Wait wait wait wait wait...

Wait...

...wait...

...Liberty4eva is female?

[kirklancaster]

I know we haven't, and yet we know any pre referendum promises were lies already.
The same will happen with all these pie crust promises from trump.

You KNOW NOTHING about FUTURE events.

You can suspect, surmise, suggest, but you CANNOT 'know' until TIME has elapsed to prove your suspicions.

[Kizzy]

You KNOW NOTHING about FUTURE events.

You can suspect, surmise, suggest, but you CANNOT 'know' until TIME has elapsed to prove your suspicions.

Like it did with the referendum?....Ok.

[Tom4784]

Nothing could make me support him when his policies are both flimsy and beneficial to the wrong people.

That's without taking into account that he has zero leadership qualities, his repugnant personality, and most importantly of all, his lack of political and democratic skill and prowess.

[Withano]

So anyone who voted leave are gullible now?Nice way to insult more than half of the voting public:thumbs:

Tbf, its probably fallen down to a quarter now they can see what theyve done to the pound

[Withano]

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

Yeh i wasnt planning on sticking around, the -I love Trump and so should you- threads are nauseating. I didnt reply with anything i thought was worth discussing, i just left a throwaway statement after wasting my time here for a bit.. But a thread with a video which lasts 36 minutes and shows obvious flaws in the first 1 minute shouldnt be taken seriously really so im not sure if this thread has a place on the SERIOUS debates section at all. I suppose thats a debate in itself which im open to discussing. Unless somebody with a good reputation round here can promise me that the last 35 isnt more of the exact same then i think my opinion is just as valid as yours, and i dont think youve said anything worthwhile here either.

If you want to dismiss the feelings of those who only watched one minute of the video, then perhaps dont reply to their comments? That is well within your capabilities. But I've noticed before and not for the first time in a serious debates thread that youre very bad at this and often spend your words being confused and angry at people who disagree with you.

[Northern Monkey]

As was said on Question Time.
Donald Trump is definitely not an ideal candidate for president.
However compared with Hilary he is a Boy Scout.Anyone else who did what Hilary has done would be in prison and definitely not running for the position of The President of The United States of America,the land of the free,the greatest country in the world etc etc.
Another good point was that Donald Trump has not been complicit in many of the awful decisions and corruption in American politics over the last twenty years.Hilary quite clearly has.
If i was a US citizen I wouldn't vote.

[Kizzy]

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

Nobody needs permission to post do they Kirk? well not yours at least :/

[Tom4784]

Supporting Trump just doesn't make much sense, there's not really an argument for him that holds water. Hillary could gun down a school and she'd still be a better candidate.

He has no political knowledge or skill, his policies are both weak and unrealistic and he'd likely be Russia's puppet. Let's not even get into the business of his party being divided over him or the HUGE fact that he doesn't believe in the democratic process as he basically said he won't accept the result when he loses.

He is a child.

[arista]

Supporting Trump just doesn't make much sense, there's not really an argument for him that holds water. Hillary could gun down a school and she'd still be a better candidate.

He has no political knowledge or skill, his policies are both weak and unrealistic and he'd likely be Russia's puppet. Let's not even get into the business of his party being divided over him or the HUGE fact that he doesn't believe in the democratic process as he basically said he won't accept the result when he loses.

He is a child.


No Dezzy
He is a wordsmith
That is helping the Half of America Dumped
With no future or no jobs,

He will get. Rid of Clinton Corruption
Give him a go

[user104658]

Supporting Trump just doesn't make much sense, there's not really an argument for him that holds water. Hillary could gun down a school and she'd still be a better candidate.

He has no political knowledge or skill, his policies are both weak and unrealistic and he'd likely be Russia's puppet. Let's not even get into the business of his party being divided over him or the HUGE fact that he doesn't believe in the democratic process as he basically said he won't accept the result when he loses.

He is a child.

The argument appears to be that Hillary has been involved in "dodgy" political activity whereas Trump has not... conveniently overlooking the fact that Trump has not been in the position to be involved in said activity, as he has only recently become involved in politics. If Trump had been a politician for decades, do we imagine that he would be this "squeaky clean boy scout"? Hmmm. Hillary has a closet full of skeletons like every other high profile career politician. Is this ideal? No, but it is "the norm", and as bad as "the norm" is... Trump is just not the answer. It's like the US voters are trying to put out a fire by throwing petrol on it.

[kirklancaster]

Nobody needs permission to post do they Kirk? well not yours at least :/

Will you please at least TRY to confine your responses to my posts to what I am actually CLEARLY saying in them Kizzy, and NOT what you misunderstand me to be saying, or what you deliberately want to make it appear that I am saying?

Nowhere do I say or even INTIMATE that Withano needs my permission to post.

I CLEARLY said that by his OWN admission of NOT having watched the video which is the premise of this debate, he had DISQUALIFIED himself from contributing.

How can one add anything to a debate when he admits to deliberately NOT familiarising himself with the premise?

[Tom4784]

The whole criminal angle to demonise Hillary is hypocritical anyway given that Trump's got a court date of his own coming up. It's strange that Hillary is getting **** when charges haven't been brought against her when you consider that Trump has a court date in December for allegedly raping a child.

If she's guilty until proven innocent then surely the same goes for Trump.

[rk3388]

all of the policies I listed should see the economy improve and see more money for these other areas
he has spoken on education and social security and said he will maintain spending at the same level. he is to over turn obamacare and replace it with a less expensive less burocratic insurance system in an attempt to lower the escalating costs which are crippling small businesses. womens rights? they have all rights? disability payments he will payment...environment he has said he will invest in green energies

No he did not say he will invest in green energy, he wants to further expand the oil industry and mentioned that solar energy has "been a disaster" (not true). I'll give you one woman's right he is trying to take away which is abortion (as well as being against planned parenthood?)'
Economists have clearly said his economic plan would be a disaster as lowering the taxes for the 1% will let the rich get richer and the middle class deteriorate.
And your username is the truth..

[Kizzy]

Will you please at least TRY to confine your responses to my posts to what I am actually CLEARLY saying in them Kizzy, and NOT what you misunderstand me to be saying, or what you deliberately want to make it appear that I am saying?

Nowhere do I say or even INTIMATE that Withano needs my permission to post.

I CLEARLY said that by his OWN admission of NOT having watched the video which is the premise of this debate, he had DISQUALIFIED himself from contributing.

How can one add anything to a debate when he admits to deliberately NOT familiarising himself with the premise?


He watched a portion of the video, not everyone on every thread watches every minute of every vid posted do they?

Even if he hadn't watched a second of it it wouldn't disqualify him from having an opinion on trump.
What are we meant to be debating here anyway :/ whether it is plausible that this click bait vid can indeed change any sane rational persons viewpoint on Donald Trump?

I think we all know the answer to that.

[kirklancaster]

He watched a portion of the video, not everyone on every thread watches every minute of every vid posted do they?

Even if he hadn't watched a second of it it wouldn't disqualify him from having an opinion on trump.
What are we meant to be debating here anyway :/ whether it is plausible that this click bait vid can indeed change any sane rational persons viewpoint on Donald Trump?

I think we all know the answer to that.

The deflection IN YOUR POSTS is both tiresome and predictable, and is pulled 'White Rabbit' style from the proverbial hat WHENEVER a valid and reasonable response is impossible because it does not exist.

The fact that you STILL pose the question; "What are we meant to be debating here anyway" AFTER it has been repeatedly stated to you that the OP's premise centres on the CONTENTS of the video ie; 'Trump's Speech', really says it all about the total futility of even attempting to engage with you in any kind of civil and earnest 'Serious Debate'.

[Withano]

Kirk, I made the same conclusion in one minute as many others did in 36. This speak volumes about the quality of the video in question.

I dont really understand your motive, you have said nothing of substance about the video and only criticised other points. You have brought nothing and attempted to detract from others. Not only is this childish, it automatically disqualifies the validity of your posts, and i know you have struggled with debates in the past but this is not usually how they tend to work. Criticising the other side, perhaps. Youre half way there, but at least add somethhing of value.

[Kizzy]

The deflection IN YOUR POSTS is both tiresome and predictable, and is pulled 'White Rabbit' style from the proverbial hat WHENEVER a valid and reasonable response is impossible because it does not exist.

The fact that you STILL pose the question; "What are we meant to be debating here anyway" AFTER it has been repeatedly stated to you that the OP's premise centres on the CONTENTS of the video ie; 'Trump's Speech', really says it all about the total futility of even attempting to engage with you in any kind of civil and earnest 'Serious Debate'.

It was a rhetorical to be fair, please don't get bogged down in semantics.

[jaxie]

Now Bananarama is stuck in my head for the rest of the day. Thanks Johnny! :fist:

[the truth]

No he did not say he will invest in green energy, he wants to further expand the oil industry and mentioned that solar energy has "been a disaster" (not true). I'll give you one woman's right he is trying to take away which is abortion (as well as being against planned parenthood?)'
Economists have clearly said his economic plan would be a disaster as lowering the taxes for the 1% will let the rich get richer and the middle class deteriorate.
And your username is the truth..

Your point on abortion is simply untrue and exaggerated, he wants to tighten laws on abortion (outside of rape and health danger to the mother) and he wants to put more funding into support for those people undecided on whether to abort, which is the right thing to do. Abortion has become too much of a feminist issue. When the childs life also needs to be taken into account plus to support the parents allows them time to look at all available options before rushing into a termination which they often later regret. The feminsts stance on this issue is too black or white too hard line and totally inflexible.

[the truth]

No he did not say he will invest in green energy, he wants to further expand the oil industry and mentioned that solar energy has "been a disaster" (not true). I'll give you one woman's right he is trying to take away which is abortion (as well as being against planned parenthood?)'
Economists have clearly said his economic plan would be a disaster as lowering the taxes for the 1% will let the rich get richer and the middle class deteriorate.
And your username is the truth..

the same elitist economists employed by corporations who predicted brexit was the end of the world? lol

[Jamie89]

Robert De Niro exposed by Donald Trump.

A sexual assault tea

[Liberty4eva]

The whole criminal angle to demonise Hillary is hypocritical anyway given that Trump's got a court date of his own coming up. It's strange that Hillary is getting **** when charges haven't been brought against her when you consider that Trump has a court date in December for allegedly raping a child.

If she's guilty until proven innocent then surely the same goes for Trump.

The reason that child rape thing isn't getting attention here is because no one believes it. We don't even know the girl's name. The media have given up trying to smear Trump on this issue because it is back-firing.

[rk3388]

Your point on abortion is simply untrue and exaggerated, he wants to tighten laws on abortion (outside of rape and health danger to the mother) and he wants to put more funding into support for those people undecided on whether to abort, which is the right thing to do. Abortion has become too much of a feminist issue. When the childs life also needs to be taken into account plus to support the parents allows them time to look at all available options before rushing into a termination which they often later regret. The feminsts stance on this issue is too black or white too hard line and totally inflexible.

Now this is untrue. He does not support Planned Parenthood which has been providing this service to women in the US, who help prevent preganancies in the first place.

And he said he is pro-life, ONLY allowing abortions under specified circumstances...

Making it illegal would result in illegal and more unsafe abortions . It also can result in unfit mothers raising children against their will, which can result in poor-quality lives for those kids

Then there's our population growth which is a whole nother issue

[rk3388]

the same elitist economists employed by corporations who predicted brexit was the end of the world? lol

Brexit has had a lot of negative ramifications including decreasing the value of the Canadian dollar which is something I'm dealing with right now. Not the end of the world, but you can't deny the economic consequences.

[Liberty4eva]

Surprise, surprise, many people commenting did not watch the video. I try to engage people on an intellectual level but sometimes they won't have it. On November 9th I expect a lot of hatred on this forum because Trump is going to be the next president and the USA and the West will at last have a true leader. :smug:

[rk3388]

Also as someone passionate for environmental issues, Donald's vilifying of the EPA (who doesn't have strict enough control over oil sands) is disgusting, and the fact he doesn't "believe" in climate change when for a long time it has been a scientific fact and no longer a theory

[user104658]

Not the end of the world, but you can't deny the economic consequences.

And yet, people are doing just that, constantly :joker:.

[the truth]

Brexit has had a lot of negative ramifications including decreasing the value of the Canadian dollar which is something I'm dealing with right now. Not the end of the world, but you can't deny the economic consequences.

You are the one denying the positive consequences, the stock market is through the roof at world record levels and our steel market has survived too

[jaxie]

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

Don't call me gullible. I don't call you remain voters delusional. :shrug:

#StoptheReferendumJibes :fist:

[Withano]

You are the one denying the positive consequences, the stock market is through the roof at world record levels and our steel market has survived too

Hahahha. Of course its doing well, its measured in sterling which is doing ****e right now, making stock cheaper to buy. Theres a reason why its doing well, theres a direct correlation between a failing currency and a flourishing stock market. If you were to measure the ftse in dollars its not doing well at all. Worse than pre-brexit. Brexiters are adorable hahaha.

The pound has been devalued and the same people you put your trust into for some weird independent revolution have tried to defend it in fun ways that dont actually make sense. Youve ate out the palm of their hands and its adorably naive.

[GiRTh]

Rebuilding the industries
increasing tariffs on chinese steel
raising taxes on those taking american jobs abroad
reducing government red tape on small businesses
spending more on war veterans
protecting the borders against criminal illegal immigrants entering
Tax breaks for american businesses who remain in the usa and reduce their regulation to help them grow home grown jobs
to stop supplying weapons to so called rebels we dont even know across the middle east when the weapons often end up in the hands of ISISCan you explain how Trump is going to achieve this? All the proposals I've read have him lowering taxes on the wealthiest and increasing taxes on the middle class ie more Reagan/Bush trickle down economics that led to the recession of the 80's and the global financial crisis of 2007. In other words a tax plan that we have all seen fail at least twice.

[Liberty4eva]

Wanted to give thanks to the few (but impeccably wise) Donald Trump supporters on here and in the UK. Here are some really awesome videos of his UK supporters. It helps boost our spirits. :kiss:

And don't worry, WE WILL make the right decision on November 8th!

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[Kizzy]

Can you hear the cheering in the vid.... what are they cheering?

He said he's going to reduce federal jobs, is that not their public and civil services?
In all departments excepting the dept of war!
then he's going to hack at regulations.... what is he deregulating is that not important to know to decide if it's a god/bad thing?

At this point all rationality has gone out of the window, America appears to me to be in some twilight zone... What the actual hell is going on? :/

[user104658]

Can you explain how Trump is going to achieve this? All the proposals I've read have him lowering taxes on the wealthiest and increasing taxes on the middle class ie more Reagan/Bush trickle down economics that led to the recession of the 80's and the global financial crisis of 2007. In other words a tax plan that we have all seen fail at least twice.

I think you're overlooking the fact that the global recession in 2007 was caused by UK benefits claimants.

[user104658]

****ing pmsl at Katie Hopkin's Trump-hair :joker: :joker: :joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Donald deserves the win 100%.

[Kizzy]

Katie Hopkins coming across as your average British loon there... Good work Katie! :/

[user104658]

Can you hear the cheering in the vid.... what are they cheering?

He said he's going to reduce federal jobs, is that not their public and civil services?
In all departments excepting the dept of war!
then he's going to hack at regulations.... what is he deregulating is that not important to know to decide if it's a god/bad thing?

At this point all rationality has gone out of the window, America appears to me to be in some twilight zone... What the actual hell is going on? :/

World is ****ed Kizzy, have you not been paying attention for the last decade? This is nothing new, just more of the same spiral, it's going down in flames... but that doesn't happen over night, it takes decades. The Roman Empire took 200 - 300 years to fall from peak to complete ruin. The world obviously moves a lot faster these days but we can still expect it to take at least 40 - 50 years. We're only 8 years into the fun :hee:

[Samm]

how am I not surprised that coffin dodger Pat Condell supports trump, glad he's soon to be wormfood

[Kizzy]

World is ****ed Kizzy, have you not been paying attention for the last decade? This is nothing new, just more of the same spiral, it's going down in flames... but that doesn't happen over night, it takes decades. The Roman Empire took 200 - 300 years to fall from peak to complete ruin. The world obviously moves a lot faster these days but we can still expect it to take at least 40 - 50 years. We're only 8 years into the fun :hee:

:(

[Jamie89]

World is ****ed Kizzy, have you not been paying attention for the last decade? This is nothing new, just more of the same spiral, it's going down in flames... but that doesn't happen over night, it takes decades. The Roman Empire took 200 - 300 years to fall from peak to complete ruin. The world obviously moves a lot faster these days but we can still expect it to take at least 40 - 50 years. We're only 8 years into the fun :hee:
Aaaaaaaand I'm depressed

[Marsh.]

****ing pmsl at Katie Hopkin's Trump-hair :joker: :joker: :joker:

:joker: :joker: :joker:

[Firewire]

why are they all so ugly i'm screaming

[Kizzy]

Actually why are there so many trump related threads now? it's a tad overkill :/

[RichardG]

i didn't realise katie hopkins still existed

i'm glad she's (mostly) disappeared now :omgno:

[MTVN]

Actually why are there so many trump related threads now? it's a tad overkill :/

I agree. L4E - this is your eighth Trump thread in less than a month, it is becoming overkill

I'm tempted to merge them all into just one Donald Trump thread seeing as they're all just rehashing the same discussion, we don't need a new thread for every new youtube video

[Johnnyuk123]

Who renamed my thread and why?

[user104658]

http://i.imgur.com/h5n5CXr.jpg

Hahaha... hahahahaha... night = made I should just go to bed.

[Kizzy]

http://i.imgur.com/h5n5CXr.jpg

Hahaha... hahahahaha... night = made I should just go to bed.


I'd say...

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http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article158073.ece/ALTERNATES/s298/margaret-thatcher-pic-dm-233586454.jpg

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https://aforestofbeasts.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/katie-hopkins2.jpg

[jaxie]

Kirk, I made the same conclusion in one minute as many others did in 36. This speak volumes about the quality of the video in question.

I dont really understand your motive, you have said nothing of substance about the video and only criticised other points. You have brought nothing and attempted to detract from others. Not only is this childish, it automatically disqualifies the validity of your posts, and i know you have struggled with debates in the past but this is not usually how they tend to work. Criticising the other side, perhaps. Youre half way there, but at least add somethhing of value.

And yet for all of a whole thread the other day you harassed me because you presumed I hadn't read a link. :shrug:

[jaxie]

World is ****ed Kizzy, have you not been paying attention for the last decade? This is nothing new, just more of the same spiral, it's going down in flames... but that doesn't happen over night, it takes decades. The Roman Empire took 200 - 300 years to fall from peak to complete ruin. The world obviously moves a lot faster these days but we can still expect it to take at least 40 - 50 years. We're only 8 years into the fun :hee:

Are we going to have zombies? Please say we are as I'm really looking forward to the zombies.

[jaxie]

Who renamed my thread and why?

I've noticed someone is deleting my posts too, but no warning so the post can't have been inappropriate, halloween, or a bug I should report to the webmaster? :conf:

[Kizzy]

And yet for all of a whole thread the other day you harassed me because you presumed I hadn't read a link. :shrug:

Have we had your opinion on this thread yet?.... Unless I missed it, in which case I apologise.

[jaxie]

Have we had your opinion on this thread yet?.... Unless I missed it, in which case I apologise.

Whatever do you mean?

[MTVN]

Wasn't actually me who merged and renamed the thread btw even though I suggested something similar right before lol, I was actually thinking about having a general 'Donald Trump news/discussion' rather than just a thread for youtube videos but this might work as well :p

[Kizzy]

It was me.... haha only joking...or am I? ;)

[Alf]

I agree. L4E - this is your eighth Trump thread in less than a month, it is becoming overkill

I'm tempted to merge them all into just one Donald Trump thread seeing as they're all just rehashing the same discussion, we don't need a new thread for every new youtube videoWhy is your problem only with Donald Trump threads?

There's far more Xfactor threads being made, so why not go into them and tell those people making those threads that you will merge into one Xfactor thread?

[MTVN]

Why is your problem only with Donald Trump threads?

There's far more Xfactor threads being made, so why not go into them and tell those people making those threads that you will merge into one Xfactor thread?

Because they are on different topics and we have a designated X Factor forum. The Trump threads are all essentially part of the same discussion and, as much as it may have felt like it recently, we do not have a designated Donald Trump section on here

[Alf]

Because they are on different topics and we have a designated X Factor forum. The Trump threads are all essentially part of the same discussion and, as much as it may have felt like it recently, we do not have a designated Donald Trump section on hereBut the US presidential election is the biggest story in the World right now, so you shouldn't just start picking people out for discussing it and basically telling them to stop posting.

[Ammi]

Why is your problem only with Donald Trump threads?

There's far more Xfactor threads being made, so why not go into them and tell those people making those threads that you will merge into one Xfactor thread?

..I have to say that I have found it unnecessary to have so many as well when most could be merged...(unless it's a particular huge related news story..)..because I think the thing is Alf, to more compare them to Hilary threads and there aren't lots of those...if there were, that would be a good point...?...but even with our own General Election and EU referendum, it was mainly all merged into one thread...I actually think personally but that's just me obviously that one 'US Presidential Election' thread would be fine for all Trump and Hilary and also make it easier for anyone who wanted to find a specific post/vid that they might want to go back and comment on...

[Ammi]

But the US presidential election is the biggest story in the World right now, so you shouldn't just start picking people out for discussing it and basically telling them to stop posting.

...again, UK General Elections being the most important thing happening to the UK while they're happening and also the EU Referendum but for the most part, it's much easier to have it all in one place because then we know where to look for stuff relating and only have one thread to read...

[MTVN]

But the US presidential election is the biggest story in the World right now, so you shouldn't just start picking people out for discussing it and basically telling them to stop posting.

I haven't told anyone to start posting, I only commented on the fact that there have now been several threads with clickbaity titles like: 'The speech that will make you vote for Trump', 'This is why Trump WILL win' and 'Trump's most epic speech ever - must watch', and its started to become a bit spammy

I was just thinking out loud and making a suggestion really, splitting the same topic over numerous threads tends to actually result in a worse discussion imo

[user104658]

I haven't told anyone to start posting, I only commented on the fact that there have now been several threads with clickbaity titles like: 'The speech that will make you vote for Trump', 'This is why Trump WILL win' and 'Trump's most epic speech ever - must watch', and its started to become a bit spammy

I was just thinking out loud and making a suggestion really, splitting the same topic over numerous threads tends to actually result in a worse discussion imo

You Won't Believe Which Trump Died And You Didn't Even Know.

[Kizzy]

You won't believe what Trump looks like today...crazy.

[Jamie89]

..I have to say that I have found it unnecessary to have so many as well when most could be merged...(unless it's a particular huge related news story..)..because I think the thing is Alf, to more compare them to Hilary threads and there aren't lots of those...if there were, that would be a good point...?...but even with our own General Election and EU referendum, it was mainly all merged into one thread...I actually think personally but that's just me obviously that one 'US Presidential Election' thread would be fine for all Trump and Hilary and also make it easier for anyone who wanted to find a specific post/vid that they might want to go back and comment on...

That's true I've been completely lost at times with which Trump thread is about what, they all seem to have the same discussions in them anyway

[user104658]

You won't believe what Trump looks like today...crazy.

http://i.imgur.com/B7fmKYn.jpg

[Withano]

And yet for all of a whole thread the other day you harassed me because you presumed I hadn't read a link. :shrug:

I have no idea what youre going on about

[Johnnyuk123]

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[Johnnyuk123]

Obama caught telling pork pies.

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[Northern Monkey]

They keep doing this.On the channel they just cut video out and pretend there's some kind of interruption.Sometimes they don't even pretend:laugh:
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