Yorkshire 'Go away, you shouldn't be here. Don't come back' Muslim says

[arista]

['Go away, you shouldn't be here. Don't come back':
The corner of Yorkshire that has almost no white residents
There are almost no white residents to be found in Savile Town, Yorkshire
Last census found only 48 of 4,033 people living there were white British
Even lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899540/Go-away-shouldn-t-Don-t-come-corner-Yorkshire-no-white-residents.html#ixzz4OvzIr5uY

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That's the summer time

This was Muslim Teen telling a journalist

[kirklancaster]

['Go away, you shouldn't be here. Don't come back':
The corner of Yorkshire that has almost no white residents
There are almost no white residents to be found in Savile Town, Yorkshire
Last census found only 48 of 4,033 people living there were white British
Even lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899540/Go-away-shouldn-t-Don-t-come-corner-Yorkshire-no-white-residents.html#ixzz4OvzIr5uY

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That's the summer time

This was Muslim Teen telling a journalist

Nothing to be alarmed at Arista - Not until that ice cream Van logo reads:


"ROSSI'S ISIS" :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing to be alarmed at Arista - Not until that ice cream Van logo reads:


"ROSSI'S ISIS" :laugh:

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Nothing to be alarmed at Arista - Not until that ice cream Van logo reads:


"ROSSI'S ISIS" :laugh:

Ba boom!:joker:

There are many parts of Yorkshire especially West Yorkshire that used to be lovely but are almost unrecognisable now.It's like going abroad but with worse weather.

[Kizzy]

I would suggest it has a mix of social deprivation as well as racial tension, there are good and bad white and black communities, Yorkshire included.

[Cherie]

Nothing to be alarmed at Arista - Not until that ice cream Van logo reads:


"ROSSI'S ISIS" :laugh:

:joker:

[arista]

I would suggest it has a mix of social deprivation as well as racial tension, there are good and bad white and black communities, Yorkshire included.



Sure Kizzy.


But do not tell the Press to get out because they are White

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would suggest it has a mix of social deprivation as well as racial tension, there are good and bad white and black communities, Yorkshire included.

racial tension?

there are no white people :joker:

[Livia]

Muslims organising their own Islam-only ghettos.

[Northern Monkey]

The reporter only asked for directions and she was spat at before being told she 'shouldn't be there' in her own country.The few white residents who live there can't go out after dark.It's a disgrace to the country.

[arista]

The reporter only asked for directions and she was spat at before being told she 'shouldn't be there' in her own country.The few white residents who live there can't go out after dark.It's a disgrace to the country.


Yes Spat At


Terrible

[Livia]

The reporter only asked for directions and she was spat at before being told she 'shouldn't be there' in her own country.The few white residents who live there can't go out after dark.It's a disgrace to the country.

It is a disgrace and it breeds discontentment in the indiginous population. It causes them to turn to people like UKIP because no one will listen to their concerns without branding them racists. Things are skewed towards Islam lately and if someone objects they are howled at and called names. Look at Louis Smith, forced to miss the ceremony being held for Olympic and Paralympic medallists, made to visit mosques to increase his understanding and write a grovelling apology... and was still banned for two months essentially for laughing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that woman covered from head to toe

is this 2016?

smh

[arista]

that woman covered from head to toe

is this 2016?

smh




Yes that's the Summer ice cream Van Lady / Isis - Rossi.

[Tom4784]

Ah the Daily Mail. Were these evil muslims single mothers on benefits too? I'll be shocked if they didn't try to work poppies into this story somehow.

[Livia]

Yeah, shhhhhhhhh Dezzy... mustn't mention the Muslims.

[Northern Monkey]

It is a disgrace and it breeds discontentment in the indiginous population. It causes them to turn to people like UKIP because no one will listen to their concerns without branding them racists. Things are skewed towards Islam lately and if someone objects they are howled at and called names. Look at Louis Smith, forced to miss the ceremony being held for Olympic and Paralympic medallists, made to visit mosques to increase his understanding and write a grovelling apology... and was still banned for two months essentially for laughing.

Yep and no sign of John Cleese being banned from TV for mocking Christianity.If we're going to ban mocking religion atleast be consistent.Or maybe just let free speech be a thing in Britain.

[Ninastar]

This doesn't surprise me... at all.

When I worked in Bradford, I helped out at so many different schools and it was unreal. I loved some of the schools more than anything. One of them has been my favourite job I've ever done. But other parts of Bradford are just plain scary. In one of the schools, I was threatened for being white and when I told the teacher about she basically told me there is nothing that can be done about it. She even told me she had a gun held up at her by a year 6 boy. (They found out it wasn't a real gun, just a bb but still)

The turn around in these schools is insane. Female teachers are treated with almost no respect. It's scary, it really is. And nothing can be said about because people are too scared to say how they feel because they get labelled as all kinds of things that aren't true at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This doesn't surprise me... at all.

When I worked in Bradford, I helped out at so many different schools and it was unreal. I loved some of the schools more than anything. One of them has been my favourite job I've ever done. But other parts of Bradford are just plain scary. In one of the schools, I was threatened for being white and when I told the teacher about she basically told me there is nothing that can be done about it. She even told me she had a gun held up at her by a year 6 boy. (They found out it wasn't a real gun, just a bb but still)

The turn around in these schools is insane. Female teachers are treated with almost no respect. It's scary, it really is. And nothing can be said about because people are too scared to say how they feel because they get labelled as all kinds of things that aren't true at all.

awful

and thank goodness the Daily Mail is exposing this

[MB.]

Did I honestly just read the phrase "indigenous population" in reference to the UK? Because you might want to tell that to the Anglo-Saxons

[Kyle]

This doesn't surprise me... at all.

When I worked in Bradford, I helped out at so many different schools and it was unreal. I loved some of the schools more than anything. One of them has been my favourite job I've ever done. But other parts of Bradford are just plain scary. In one of the schools, I was threatened for being white and when I told the teacher about she basically told me there is nothing that can be done about it. She even told me she had a gun held up at her by a year 6 boy. (They found out it wasn't a real gun, just a bb but still)

The turn around in these schools is insane. Female teachers are treated with almost no respect. It's scary, it really is. And nothing can be said about because people are too scared to say how they feel because they get labelled as all kinds of things that aren't true at all.

My sister worked in a charity in the centre of Rotherham for helping immigrants adapt to life here. The Muslim men wouldn't even so much as look at her, if she tried to advise them on anything they needed a man to be there anyway to repeat everything she said.

The only thing they want to do with the young girls round here is...well...we all know.

[Northern Monkey]

This doesn't surprise me... at all.

When I worked in Bradford, I helped out at so many different schools and it was unreal. I loved some of the schools more than anything. One of them has been my favourite job I've ever done. But other parts of Bradford are just plain scary. In one of the schools, I was threatened for being white and when I told the teacher about she basically told me there is nothing that can be done about it. She even told me she had a gun held up at her by a year 6 boy. (They found out it wasn't a real gun, just a bb but still)

The turn around in these schools is insane. Female teachers are treated with almost no respect. It's scary, it really is. And nothing can be said about because people are too scared to say how they feel because they get labelled as all kinds of things that aren't true at all.It's terrible.I went to high school in a muslim area and would constantly be intimidated by muslim men driving past in cars shouting things like "****ing white bastard" etc etc.

[Ninastar]

My sister worked in a charity in the centre of Rotherham for helping immigrants adapt to life here. The Muslim men wouldn't even so much as look at her, if she tried to advise them on anything they needed a man to be there anyway to repeat everything she said.

The only thing they want to do with the young girls round here is...well...we all know.

Omg this reminds me of a post I saw in a local FB group with over 10,000 people on it...

This 17 year old girl posted in the group saying something like 'Attention younger females and mums with young daughters... I went to the shopping center in leeds today and I was followed around by a man from Pakistan who kept asking me for my phone number and would leave me alone until I went up to someone and asked for help'

and most of the people were like 'HOW DID YOU KNOW HE WAS FROM PAKISTAN!???' 'HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT HE WASNT JUST LONELY!????' 'YOU SEEM TO BE VERY JUDGEMENTAL!!!!' etc etc

it turns out he was telling her his life story (where he grew up) and how he liked younger girls and he thought that she should go over to his house...

Now to me, thats creepy. 17 is of age, but its still very young to me and a man whos over 15 years older than you should not be following you around.

Basically what Im trying to say is that you can't say anything about people of an muslim/asian etc background with out people jumping on you and judging you first. This was a young girl warning other people about someone she thought was dangerous. And the worst thing about that post was that a lot of the people posting on it said that this exact same thing has happened to young girls they know... Its even happened to me too when I was 15. My friend and I had to run into a store to hide because they didnt get the ****ing picture lol.

sorry for the O/T but I get stuck in rant mode sometimes

[MrJack]

Quite fitting it's called Savile Town, thinking about it.

[iloveaisleyne]

Why are so many muslims against integrating? If this was an all white corner of yorkshire telling a muslim to go away it would constantly be in the news as evidence of discrimination...? It's absolutely disgusting how people (of any race) are told they cannot go to certain areas or feel unsafe doing so... I know that in my city there are certain parts which are primarily dominated by muslims which have ridiculously high crime rates and people of any other ethnic background (including other ethnic minorities) would not dare visit through fear of being a victim of a hate crime.

Also, those two polish men got prison sentences for drunkenly throwing bacon at a mosque, wheras an asian man who repeatedly spat on a woman's white 17 year old daughter as she walked past when wearing a skirt recieved no punishment whatsoever.

Why is Britain so afraid of prosecuting muslims? It's one of the reason the child sex rings continued for so long - the police did not want to describe the attackers as 'asian' or 'muslim' for fear of being called discriminative

[jaxie]

['Go away, you shouldn't be here. Don't come back':
The corner of Yorkshire that has almost no white residents
There are almost no white residents to be found in Savile Town, Yorkshire
Last census found only 48 of 4,033 people living there were white British
Even lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899540/Go-away-shouldn-t-Don-t-come-corner-Yorkshire-no-white-residents.html#ixzz4OvzIr5uY

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That's the summer time

This was Muslim Teen telling a journalist

The lady selling the ice cream looks incredibly intimidating in that get up. It's like a scene from a horror film! All she needs is a machete. And to think I used to be scared of the child catcher in chitty bang bang.

[Mystic Mock]

Muslims organising their own Islam-only ghettos.

Both the Tories and Labour are responsible for these Ghettos/No Go Zones over the last two or three decades.

Instead of intergrating all of these groups across the country, instead we've all been segrogated into different areas of the country, thus we're not mixing with each other, and sadly it breeds prejudice like in this area of Yorkshire.

[Kizzy]

She's stood doing nothing in an ice cream van.... Intimidating?....jeeez :/

[Kizzy]

Nobody in Yorkshire is that friendly tbh, if a DM reporter came down my street I'd probably tell them to piss off too :idc:

[jaxie]

She's stood doing nothing in an ice cream van.... Intimidating?....jeeez :/

That get up is incredibly intimidating, I bet it's not easy to make friends like that. Not to mention the sexist patriarchal oppression. Oh sorry aren't we meant to mention the last bit because it's not religiously PC?

[Kizzy]

You can mention what you like, I'm not about to censor you :laugh:

[iloveaisleyne]

She's stood doing nothing in an ice cream van.... Intimidating?....jeeez :/

anonymity is quite threating sometimes though

[jaxie]

anonymity is quite threating sometimes though

It definitely can be, but more than that a lot of horror TV and movies shows people behind masks\hiding faces. Just seeing someone's eyes is rather creepy, and from the woman's point of view being dressed like that must make it very hard to engage with anyone outside her own immediate family. It's a dreadful oppressive thing.

[Kizzy]

It definitely can be, but more than that a lot of horror TV and movies shows people behind masks\hiding faces. Just seeing someone's eyes is rather creepy, and from the woman's point of view being dressed like that must make it very hard to engage with anyone outside her own immediate family. It's a dreadful oppressive thing.

What about zorro, spiderman, batman and Mr Incredible?

They wore masks and they're good guys... flaw in your logic :idc:

[kirklancaster]

Nobody in Yorkshire is that friendly tbh, if a DM reporter came down my street I'd probably tell them to piss off too :idc:

And which Yorkshire is that where 'nobody is that friendly'? I was born, bred and lived most of my life in Yorkshire, have travelled the length and breadth of it on business, and worked in most areas of it for decades, and I have never encountered anything but generally friendly people - except for the heavily immigrant enclaves, particularly Asian, where they are secretive and deeply mistrustful of 'strangers' not of their ethnicity at best, and openly RACIST, confrontational and aggressive at worst.

There is also a huge gulf of difference in electing not to talk to 'reporters' and in abusing and spitting at someone who is merely politely seeking directions because they are WHITE and just happen to BE a reporter.

EVERYTHING in that article mirrors my own extensive personal experience on Asian 'ghettos' and corroborates what I wrote in several posts on here last year about this very subject.

It is also notable what the article states about the Deobandis, "a powerful sect of Islam whose most outspoken preachers have urged followers not to mix with Christians, Jews or Hindus." among more sinister activities, and the local Sharia Law Court which had become notorious for its medieval discrimination against, and draconian treatment of women, way before this article was ever published.

Then there is the ominous disproportionate number of Jihadists which have hailed from this area including Mohammed Sidique Khan, the leader of the Islamic extremists who bombed London in July of 2005 taking 52 innocent lives.

Savile Town is not unique, nor even rare, because there are other 'Savile Towns' THROUGHOUT every part of the UK, and what is occurring in every one of those 'Savile Towns' throughout the UK - and has been for decades - is NOT integration, but USURPATION, and it has, and is, occurring right in front of our very eyes.

And it is the same unhinged liberalists who have helped facilitate this situation because they are blind to its intrinsic dangers, who have tried to create a culture of fear by establishing Political Correctness, with which to stifle the voices of warning from those of us who CAN see that danger.

And of course, the very fact that this REALITY is being reported by The Daily Mail, is enough for these liberalists to sneer, jeer, and DENY and DISMISS the glaring TRUTH in the article.

[kirklancaster]

anonymity is quite threating sometimes though

You are 100% correct.

Do you ever wonder why it is perfectly acceptable to unhinged Liberalists that SOME Muslim men resident in the UK, find the dress codes of British women in Britain OFFENSIVE, but it is wholly unacceptable to those same Liberalists for ANY British Non muslim person - MAN or WOMAN - to find Muslim Dress Codes Offensive?

[jaxie]

What about zorro, spiderman, batman and Mr Incredible?

They wore masks and they're good guys... flaw in your logic :idc:

Zorro can smile, but Spiderman is rather creepy too, though perhaps the bright colours make him less intimidating. Logic doesn't have a lot to do with things people find creepy. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

How about if spiderman was selling ice cream from a van, would that be pant pissingly terrifying?

[jaxie]

How about if spiderman was selling ice cream from a van, would that be pant pissingly terrifying?

I think it would be extremely weird. And of course in your pursuit of Spiderman you fail to see or overlook the oppression and religious indoctrination.

[Kizzy]

I think it would be extremely weird. And of course in your pursuit of Spiderman you fail to see or overlook the oppression and religious indoctrination.

How do you know spiderman isn't a Scientologist?

[jaxie]

How do you know spiderman isn't a Scientologist?

Is he? Do they like to dress up in cat suits too?

And on that note I'll leave you to be silly on your own as I'm off to bed.

[iloveaisleyne]

Feel like its a bit stupid to compare a burqa (?) to superman to be honest, you don't see superman wandering around yorkshire in a van

[Ammi]

..this is a bit of a tricky one../or as it seems to me because there is often an intolerance to other cultures/beliefs/traditions etc.. so it's hard to have integration which to me would then lead to Muslim communities all grouped together/type thing and then those communities also giving off the same intolerances that they may have felt.../intolerance breeding intolerance and all/both wrong...

[Northern Monkey]

Spiderman is'nt forced by his oppressive husband to wear his costume either.

[Cherie]

Spiderman is'nt forced by his oppressive husband to wear his costume either.

:joker:

[smudgie]

Why would a little boy feel intimidated buying an ice cream from a lady dressed the same as his mother and other females in his circle?

[Cherie]

Why would a little boy feel intimidated buying an ice cream from a lady dressed the same as his mother and other females in his circle?

What about the white visitors to Saville or are they not allowed :omgno:

[Northern Monkey]

What about the white visitors to Saville or are they not allowed :omgno:

They're probably supposed to cover up too.Maybe why the reporter got the abuse.

[kirklancaster]

What about the white visitors to Saville or are they not allowed :omgno:

They are allowed by British law, but not welcome in reality.

[smudgie]

What about the white visitors to Saville or are they not allowed :omgno:

I thought it was a no go area...tough place to go just for an ice cream.

[jaxie]

Why would a little boy feel intimidated buying an ice cream from a lady dressed the same as his mother and other females in his circle?

I said I thought the person selling the ice cream looked intimidating, not necessarily that the child buying the ice cream thought so. :shrug:

Of course I know she is oppressed and possibly might not mean to intimidate a teacup but a costume in all black with the eyes showing does look quite intimidating. Specially if the ice cream van, which is a business after all, gets around to streets where her outfit isn't the norm.

[arista]

"Even the lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka?"


Shhhhhhhh. Kirk
The Italians Rossi Corp
Pay her far less than the minimum wage

[kirklancaster]

"Even the lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka?"


Shhhhhhhh. Kirk
The Italians Rossi Corp
Pay her far less than the minimum wage

:joker:

[Kizzy]

And I agree it is all about conditioning, you see an intimidating figure...I see a woman in an ice cream van.

[Niamh.]

Stop getting personal with eachother...........blah blah..broken record etc etc

[Livia]

And I agree it is all about conditioning, you see an intimidating figure...I see a woman in an ice cream van.

Actually, you see the eyes of a person, sex not verified. And that's exactly the point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i see a bronze aged superstition that does not belong in this country

[Kizzy]

i see a bronze aged superstition that does not belong in this country

You could say that about many religions.

[Niamh.]

I'm closing this thread the next time things get personal/you all start insulting eachother again

[kirklancaster]

You could say that about many religions.

But we are NOT discussing other religions, we are discussing a Muslim ice cream vendor in a niqab.

And No other religion compels its females to completely cover themselves up in this frankly hideous and intimidating fashion. To my knowledge anyway.

[arista]

Stop getting personal with eachother...........blah blah..broken record etc etc
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[kirklancaster]

http://img.phone.baidu.com/public/uploads/store_7/5/a/0/5a053aa2970dadb2be3bddc882511ebb.png

:laugh::laugh::laugh: The REAL 'fuzz' is back. :laugh:

[Brillopad]

And I agree it is all about conditioning, you see an intimidating figure...I see a woman in an ice cream van.

You see a woman in an ice cream van, I see conditioning and control.

[Kizzy]

But we are NOT discussing other religions, we are discussing a Muslim ice cream vendor in a niqab.

And No other religion compels its females to completely cover themselves up in this frankly hideous and intimidating fashion. To my knowledge anyway.

It's not religious, it's cultural.

[Kizzy]

You see a woman in an ice cream van, I see conditioning and control.

Good for you.

[kirklancaster]

It's not religious, it's cultural.

:facepalm: Really?

[Quran 24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.

[Quran 33:59] O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall LENGTHEN their garments. Thus, they will be recognized and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Yes - the covering of a woman's body has evolved culturally into the custom of wearing the Niqab, but the original 'commands' are in the Qu'ran and you cannot get any more 'religious' than that.

Not in the REAL world which I inhabit anyway.

[kirklancaster]

And I agree it is all about conditioning, you see an intimidating figure...I see a woman in an ice cream van.

Your view that opposes some other views that some Niqab wearing Muslim women are 'conditioned' into doing so, is frankly baffling Kizzy.

There are hundreds of complaints from oppressed Muslim women denouncing this very practice of being intimidated and threatened and conditioned into wearing these types of medieval garments against their will.

Many young 'Anglicised' Muslim girls have even been murdered by their extremist families for NOT obeying these strict dress codes.

And for further proof that these women are 'conditioned' into this; read this below from a young Muslim woman, actually note the terminology, and the tell me that she is not 'conditioned' and even 'brain-washed':

Mahmood Vesali, I've studied in seminary school

What is the philosophy of necessity of hijab?

1. Safety or security with all its aspects is seen as one of those issues that has been sufficiently taken into consideration in Islamic thoughts. ‘Nudity’, which means no or bad covering in the society, may lead to horrible consequences such as make up, self-ornamentation, and coquettish behavior if it is underestimated or given little attention.

It in turn causes men, especially young ones, to be exposed to constant nervous stimulation, inflammation and false excitement, which are ephemeral and transient. This excitement and inflammation is such that it may turn the individual into a mental patient and hence make him do such acts that may consequently become the source of other corruptions and sins; as some of the scientists have pointed out: “there is no critical incident in which a woman is not involved.”

2. A very brief review of families’ attempts in different communities and the statistical review of the reasons behind ‘divorce’, this horrible phenomenon, sheds light on the point that violating family’s privacy, increasing nudity in human society, and disintegration of families consequently lead to bitter and heart-rending phenomenon of “children of divorce”. In fact in the free market of nudity, at least in non-sexual stage, woman is seen as a ‘common good’, and marriage loses its sanctity and purity between the two people, who belong to each other, and every day men and women are entrapped by other men and women and hence their family life is weakened

‘Hijab’ is an Arabic word which literally means to put on, to cover, curtain, veil or covering (noun); however, among all these meanings, curtain or veil is more common and as a result it has led many people to suppose that Islam wants women to always stay at home behind the curtains and not to go out. In this regard, the great scholar, Martyr Morteza Motahhari states: “Covering for women in Islam means that in their interactions with men, women cover their bodies and don’t try to exhibit themselves or have coquettish behavior”.

[1] The related verses in Qur’an as well as jurists’ Fatwa in this regard refer to and highlight this principle. The module for covering in Islam can be achieved via Qur’an and tradition sources. In related verses, the term ‘hijab’ is not directly used. In other words, the verses in this regard, in holy chapters of either Noor or Al-Ahzaab indirectly refer to the limitations with regard to dress code and the interaction between men and women without using the word ‘hijab’.

So the wearing of 'Western' attire by women will turn MEN - especially the young ones - into Mental patients.

FFS.

[Kizzy]

:facepalm: Really?

[Quran 24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.

[Quran 33:59] O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall LENGTHEN their garments. Thus, they will be recognized and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Yes - the covering of a woman's body has evolved culturally into the custom of wearing the Niqab, but the original 'commands' are in the Qu'ran and you cannot get any more 'religious' than that.

Not in the REAL world which I inhabit anyway.

Do you have a link for this info?

[Northern Monkey]

Do you have a link for this info?

Er.....The Quran:laugh:

[Brillopad]

Good for you.

Not good for you when you throw the explanation of 'conditioning' into the mix to attack critics whilst constantly attempting to defend those most guilty of that. It sounds ridiculous.

[kirklancaster]

Do you have a link for this info?

Yes - Any Qu'ran. I have my own.

[kirklancaster]

Er.....The Quran:laugh:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Kizzy]

Your view that opposes some other views that some Niqab wearing Muslim women are 'conditioned' into doing so, is frankly baffling Kizzy.

There are hundreds of complaints from oppressed Muslim women denouncing this very practice of being intimidated and threatened and conditioned into wearing these types of medieval garments against their will.

Many young 'Anglicised' Muslim girls have even been murdered by their extremist families for NOT obeying these strict dress codes.

And for further proof that these women are 'conditioned' into this; read this below from a young Muslim woman, actually note the terminology, and the tell me that she is not 'conditioned' and even 'brain-washed':

Mahmood Vesali, I've studied in seminary school

What is the philosophy of necessity of hijab?

1. Safety or security with all its aspects is seen as one of those issues that has been sufficiently taken into consideration in Islamic thoughts. ‘Nudity’, which means no or bad covering in the society, may lead to horrible consequences such as make up, self-ornamentation, and coquettish behavior if it is underestimated or given little attention.

It in turn causes men, especially young ones, to be exposed to constant nervous stimulation, inflammation and false excitement, which are ephemeral and transient. This excitement and inflammation is such that it may turn the individual into a mental patient and hence make him do such acts that may consequently become the source of other corruptions and sins; as some of the scientists have pointed out: “there is no critical incident in which a woman is not involved.”

2. A very brief review of families’ attempts in different communities and the statistical review of the reasons behind ‘divorce’, this horrible phenomenon, sheds light on the point that violating family’s privacy, increasing nudity in human society, and disintegration of families consequently lead to bitter and heart-rending phenomenon of “children of divorce”. In fact in the free market of nudity, at least in non-sexual stage, woman is seen as a ‘common good’, and marriage loses its sanctity and purity between the two people, who belong to each other, and every day men and women are entrapped by other men and women and hence their family life is weakened

‘Hijab’ is an Arabic word which literally means to put on, to cover, curtain, veil or covering (noun); however, among all these meanings, curtain or veil is more common and as a result it has led many people to suppose that Islam wants women to always stay at home behind the curtains and not to go out. In this regard, the great scholar, Martyr Morteza Motahhari states: “Covering for women in Islam means that in their interactions with men, women cover their bodies and don’t try to exhibit themselves or have coquettish behavior”.

[1] The related verses in Qur’an as well as jurists’ Fatwa in this regard refer to and highlight this principle. The module for covering in Islam can be achieved via Qur’an and tradition sources. In related verses, the term ‘hijab’ is not directly used. In other words, the verses in this regard, in holy chapters of either Noor or Al-Ahzaab indirectly refer to the limitations with regard to dress code and the interaction between men and women without using the word ‘hijab’.

So the wearing of 'Western' attire by women will turn MEN - especially the young ones - into Mental patients.

FFS.

I don't mean to be hyper critical but the tone of previous posts do not suggest that the well being of Muslim women are the uppermost in your thoughts in relation to this issue.
There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities, to simply stand shouting and pointing from the sidelines is useless.
As is demonising any and all Muslims, this has been addressed many many times the religious and cultural differences of that faith are as diverse as the next.

I have also seen the passages you posted cross referenced with similar biblical old testament text in these threads many times, therefore this cherry picking of information can go on ad infinitum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;9052987]I don't mean to be hyper critical but the tone of previous posts do not suggest that the well being of Muslim women are the uppermost in your thoughts in relation to this issue.

More misrepresentation. Who the hell mentioned that "the well being of Muslim women are the uppermost" in my "thoughts in relation to this issue."?

I never did - anywhere. I clearly stated at the beginning of my post what the purpose of that post was:

"Your view that opposes some other views that some Niqab wearing Muslim women are 'conditioned' into doing so, is frankly baffling Kizzy.

There are hundreds of complaints from oppressed Muslim women denouncing this very practice of being intimidated and threatened and conditioned into wearing these types of medieval garments against their will.

Many young 'Anglicised' Muslim girls have even been murdered by their extremist families for NOT obeying these strict dress codes.

And for further proof that these women are 'conditioned' into this; read this below from a young Muslim woman, actually note the terminology, and the tell me that she is not 'conditioned' and even 'brain-washed': "

Now is not the above clear enough to define the purpose of my post, and NOWHERE do I mention or allude to; "the well being of Muslim women" being uppermost" in my "thoughts in relation to this issue."

You just made that up. :laugh - Just like you did this below:

"There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities, to simply stand shouting and pointing from the sidelines is useless. "

More Deflection and totally meaningless and irrelevant within the context of my post.

In addition, what the hell does "to simply stand shouting and pointing from the sidelines is useless." actually mean? This is mere waffle in the hope of deflecting that you have no real argument Kizzy.

I am not shouting or pointing from any sideline, I am posting my view on a forum in response to points which you made that I do not agree with.

"As is demonising any and all Muslims, this has been addressed many many times the religious and cultural differences of that faith are as diverse as the next."

This above from you is disgusting and unfair.

I have NOT "Demonised ALL Muslims" either in this post OR ANY OTHER and the rest of your sentence is yet more deflective waffle.

"I have also seen the passages you posted cross referenced with similar biblical old testament text in these threads many times, therefore this cherry picking of information can go on ad infinitum."


WHAT "Cherry Picking of information"?

I used a Muslim Woman's OWN voluntary testimony to substantiate my rebuttal of your claim that some Muslim women are NOT 'conditioned' into wearing Niqabs.

Now that I have - and destroyed your claim - you once again start making spurious claims in your response posts about what I have and have not written, but the truth of all this is here for anyone impartial to read.

If you do not WANT to debate, then stop trying to always have the last word - especially when that last word is false.

Incidentally, your link to Biblical Passages is totally irrelevant deflection in the context of this post and this entire thread.

[Kizzy]

You just made that up. :laugh - Just like you did this below:

"There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities,

You don't feel there are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over then?.. What about FGM?

You haven't destroyed my point at all I stated it was all about conditioning and it is, you have confused yourself. I will continue to have as many words as I like, if I wish to counter points with links, comments or slides of my holiday in Bognor...I will.

[kirklancaster]

You just made that up. :laugh - Just like you did this below:

"There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities,

You don't feel there are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over then?.. What about FGM?

Of course there are, but this is irrelevant in the context of my post.

We were discussing ONE issue - whether some Muslim women are 'CONDITIONED' into wearing the Niqab .

[Kizzy]

Of course there are, but this is irrelevant in the context of my post.

We were discussing ONE issue - whether some Muslim women are 'CONDITIONED' into wearing the Niqab .

Check the edit and you'll see your mistake.

[jaxie]

Not good for you when you throw the explanation of 'conditioning' into the mix to attack critics whilst constantly attempting to defend those most guilty of that. It sounds ridiculous.

:clap1:

[jaxie]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;9052987]I don't mean to be hyper critical but the tone of previous posts do not suggest that the well being of Muslim women are the uppermost in your thoughts in relation to this issue.

More misrepresentation. Who the hell mentioned that "the well being of Muslim women are the uppermost" in my "thoughts in relation to this issue."?

I never did - anywhere. I clearly stated at the beginning of my post what the purpose of that post was:

"Your view that opposes some other views that some Niqab wearing Muslim women are 'conditioned' into doing so, is frankly baffling Kizzy.

There are hundreds of complaints from oppressed Muslim women denouncing this very practice of being intimidated and threatened and conditioned into wearing these types of medieval garments against their will.

Many young 'Anglicised' Muslim girls have even been murdered by their extremist families for NOT obeying these strict dress codes.

And for further proof that these women are 'conditioned' into this; read this below from a young Muslim woman, actually note the terminology, and the tell me that she is not 'conditioned' and even 'brain-washed': "

Now is not the above clear enough to define the purpose of my post, and NOWHERE do I mention or allude to; "the well being of Muslim women" being uppermost" in my "thoughts in relation to this issue."

You just made that up. :laugh - Just like you did this below:

"There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities, to simply stand shouting and pointing from the sidelines is useless. "

More Deflection and totally meaningless and irrelevant within the context of my post.

In addition, what the hell does "to simply stand shouting and pointing from the sidelines is useless." actually mean? This is mere waffle in the hope of deflecting that you have no real argument Kizzy.

I am not shouting or pointing from any sideline, I am posting my view on a forum in response to points which you made that I do not agree with.

"As is demonising any and all Muslims, this has been addressed many many times the religious and cultural differences of that faith are as diverse as the next."

This above from you is disgusting and unfair.

I have NOT "Demonised ALL Muslims" either in this post OR ANY OTHER and the rest of your sentence is yet more deflective waffle.

"I have also seen the passages you posted cross referenced with similar biblical old testament text in these threads many times, therefore this cherry picking of information can go on ad infinitum."


WHAT "Cherry Picking of information"?

I used a Muslim Woman's OWN voluntary testimony to substantiate my rebuttal of your claim that some Muslim women are NOT 'conditioned' into wearing Niqabs.

Now that I have - and destroyed your claim - you once again start making spurious claims in your response posts about what I have and have not written, but the truth of all this is here for anyone impartial to read.

If you do not WANT to debate, then stop trying to always have the last word - especially when that last word is false.

Incidentally, your link to Biblical Passages is totally irrelevant deflection in the context of this post and this entire thread.

:clap1: Very well put Kirk.

[Kizzy]

Not good for you when you throw the explanation of 'conditioning' into the mix to attack critics whilst constantly attempting to defend those most guilty of that. It sounds ridiculous.

'Most guilty'... define most guilty in the context of social conditioning.

[Brillopad]

'Most guilty'... define most guilty in the context of social conditioning.

Conditioning a whole society, men, women and vulnerable children alike, into believing that women should cover themselves from head to foot in order to be religiously and socially acceptable, and worse, that not to do so would make them some kind of moral degenerate who was committing a crime against Alla, deserving of death, is social conditioning - the worst kind!

[Livia]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

[jennyjuniper]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Well said Livia. I'm old and grumpy enough to not give a flying f... if anything I say is considered racist.

[Johnnyuk123]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Brilliant post Livia! :clap1::clap1::clap1:

Also all this PC and integration stuff is all fine and dandy in theory but it has one fatal flaw... Muslims are taught very early on NOT to integrate so it doesn't matter what the government puts in place to help integration it cannot work if they do NOT want to integrate.

[Northern Monkey]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Soooo right.:thumbs:

[Kizzy]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Don't you come from Newham? there are pockets of social deprivation everywhere that have a concentration of BAME groups aren't there?
There are also traditionally white areas that are considered 'no go' too, so your argument has several flaws, it's not a specifically Muslim issue.

Anyone who tries to lay blame for their own bigotry at the door of another is a whole level of sad.
The reason there was brexit and trump won is people are desperate for change, they wanted to save the NHS and what happened? We got brexit and the govt sold Branson Bath and Somerset childrens and adult mental health services!... that is not what we wanted, many voted as they appealed to the 'lefty' in us and were duped.
In America Trump won because Hilary did not offer enough of a change, Sanders would have been a better candidate against Trump, there would be a clearer divide.

[Brillopad]

Don't you come from Newham? there are pockets of social deprivation everywhere that have a concentration of BAME groups aren't there?
There are also traditionally white areas that are considered 'no go' too, so your argument has several flaws, it's not a specifically Muslim issue.

Anyone who tries to lay blame for their own bigotry at the door of another is a whole level of sad.
The reason there was brexit and trump won is people are desperate for change, they wanted to save the NHS and what happened? We got brexit and the govt sold Branson Bath and Somerset childrens and adult mental health services!... that is not what we wanted, many voted as they appealed to the 'lefty' in us and were duped.
In America Trump won because Hilary did not offer enough of a change, Sanders would have been a better candidate against Trump, there would be a clearer divide.

I despair! We all know the main reason so many voted for Brexit and Trump was because of migration. Deny it all you want- it is exactly that attitude that led to the meltdown in the first place.

[jaxie]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

:clap2:

[the truth]

The reporter only asked for directions and she was spat at before being told she 'shouldn't be there' in her own country.The few white residents who live there can't go out after dark.It's a disgrace to the country.

unreported by the BBC
PC yet again to blame for our own self destruction

[the truth]

I despair! We all know the main reason so many voted for Brexit and Trump was because of migration. Deny it all you want- it is exactly that attitude that led to the meltdown in the first place.

wrong but you keep burying your head in the sand see wear it gets you

[Brillopad]

wrong but you keep burying your head in the sand see wear it gets you

Not me burying my head in anything - just stating the obvious.

[Northern Monkey]

unreported by the BBC
PC yet again to blame for our own self destruction

The BBC are an unbalanced tragedy.
Pictures and reports all over of a little dead migrant boy on the beach without one mention of the vast amounts of footage showing migrants on the borders smashing things up and vandalising things at the same time.
Or reports of how damaging Brexit was going to be while claiming in the same day on The Daily Politics how fair and balanced they are.They think that by telling us they are balanced they can then get away with biased reporting.