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Well that didn't take long.
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Anti-Donald Trump protests break out in New York and Chicago after US election results
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-us-election-2016-live-reactio
Edit: Just to want to let people know, because this is very significant... these protests were organized (at the start anyway) by Socialist Advantage/Socialist Alternative.... I was so tired last night and my laptop was dying anyway so I didn't to look that up. They had mentioned it on the news. Some had big big flags said that Socialist Alternative and people holding them up on top of trucks and buses.... so maybe premeditated/preorganized.
Socialist Advantage Groups: What to Know about the Anti-Trump Protests and Rallies
https://www.earnthenecklace.com/socialist-advantage-groups-what-to-know-about-the-anti-trump-protests-and-rallies/
Donald Trump became the newly-elected 45th president of the United States, after a surprising upset victory over Democrat candidate, Hillary Clinton. After Clinton’s emotional concession speech yesterday morning (November 9), in which she simply described her devastating loss as “painful,” thousands of angry social advantage groups and protesters have taken to the streets to voice their frustration, over being saddled with what they call a “racist, sexist, and xenophobic president.” Many people are looking for how they can watch live streams of the anti-Trump protests, socialist advantage groups, and socialist alternative rallies and demonstrations.
Protests Flare Against Donald Trump’s Election
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/protests-donald-trump-election_us_58238e95e4b0d9ce6fc09d18
Socialist Alternative, NYC, the group that organized the anti-Trump march, heaped criticism on the Democratic Party.
Their Twitter feed:
SocialistAlternative (@SocialistAlt)
https://twitter.com/SocialistAlt
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Apparently they're upset too that the Democrats failed them and gave them Hillary Clinton as their nominee.
arista
10-11-2016, 01:49 AM
Apparently they're upset too that the Democrats failed them and gave them Hillary Clinton as their nominee.
Yes FECKING CLINTONS,
Hate them.
Jordan.
10-11-2016, 02:12 AM
Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.
arista
10-11-2016, 02:21 AM
Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.
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Kizzy
10-11-2016, 02:47 AM
Sour grapes.... blah blah...
armand.kay
10-11-2016, 03:34 AM
What's the ****ing point? Like do they think America will just throw Democracy out the window and put Hillary in office because a few teenagers marched.
arista
10-11-2016, 03:38 AM
What's the ****ing point? Like do they think America will just throw Democracy out the window and put Hillary in office because a few teenagers marched.
Bang On Right
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 05:10 AM
What's the ****ing point? Like do they think America will just throw Democracy out the window and put Hillary in office because a few teenagers marched.
Spot on Armand. It isn't just the US though is it, unfortunately? It seems now that in every Country, some citizens have no intention of abiding with Democratic decisions which they do not align with, and are willing to resort to all levels of anti-social behavior to vent their anger and try to disrupt law and order in an attempt to intimidate the vast majority who do embrace democracy.
They should never be tolerated, and those guilty should be seriously dealt with by the Government before Anarchy ensues - as it surely eventually will, if apathy and lethargy on the part of the authorities fortify their courage and increase their bravado.
jennyjuniper
10-11-2016, 05:11 AM
Apparently they're upset too that the Democrats failed them and gave them Hillary Clinton as their nominee.
I would be too.:hehe:
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 05:12 AM
Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.
You are making some excellent points.
empire
10-11-2016, 05:18 AM
hillary's already on a plane to Qatar, so she can't face wearing an orange suit and having a window with bars on it, silly protesters.
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 05:21 AM
Apparently they're upset too that the Democrats failed them and gave them Hillary Clinton as their nominee.
If they are to be believed Maru, and this isn't just 'Sour Grapes' - one might ask why they did not take to the streets in earnest protest about Clinton being their nominee, during all these many, many months BEFORE she lost to Trump.
I have the feeling that old Hilary was good enough for them while it seemed that she was a WINNER, and it is the DEFEAT which these precious little undemocratic dahlings cannot stomach.
rk3388
10-11-2016, 05:32 AM
It's not about Donald vs Hillary now - It's about making A CHANGE.
Something needs to be done in this HORRIBLE US Electoral system - and being heard is how we are going to prevent Trump from destroying the country.
rk3388
10-11-2016, 05:35 AM
Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.
I fear for whoever is tolerant of Trump and many of his loony supporters
I for one am not going to be tolerant for islamophobia, Shutting out Syrian refugees (I'm so proud of Canada for letting so many in with very little problems), sucking the oil sands dry while warming the GLOBE'S climate, and allowing the rich to get richer while the poor people get poorer.
arista
10-11-2016, 05:43 AM
Yes rk
its about Change
Valid
...no Arista, bang on wrong...Trump was the 'protest vote' and a protest that had the majority so it's bang on wrong to think these protests shouldn't happen when protest has been such the thing.../I mean the irony...this as with Brexit was always going to be such a vote either way that people had no 'middle ground' thoughts, it was more either all for or all against so inevitably going to create unrest and that would have been either way with the result...had it been Hilary who had won and people were protesting against corruption in the White House with her reign..?..you can bet your bunker baby that you wouldn't be saying bang on right...
...it's so much that we're being told that things like Brexit (for Some) and Trump's vote (for some) are partly because of people feeling unable to voice/feeling restricted in their voice with the old PCs...that's being factored in a bit...so then it's thought wrong to have a voice in protest, that voice is being told to hush up because it's pointless...?...so the democratic right is now trying to quash the democratic right because it wasn't happy enough for them and didn't get there victory pancake breakfast and say hoooorahhh... dancing in the streets would have been fine and dandy maybe but protesting is a no....
...(so long as it's peaceful and doesn't lead to rioting/violence etc..)...then let them have their voice, let them have their protest because it's only fair and right as Trump has had his protest voice in these results../let it all be fair and let people speak if they feel the need to because if it's feeling that people can't speak, have felt unable to that have been part of results for these things..?../then it's bang on wrong to say they shouldn't happen....
...we shouldn't expect to have results and acknowledgements for the protest vote and not expect possible protests against...large amounts of people need their voices heard, whether it be deemed pointless or not when it's so often been said that, that's been partly a problem in the first place, the feeling of having no voice...
arista
10-11-2016, 05:50 AM
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arista
10-11-2016, 05:53 AM
[no Arista, bang on wrong...Trump
was the 'protest vote']
Yes it was
Bernie agrees with Trump on Jobs,
by the way
And On Nato
he is stopping them unless they
PAY THE FECKING BILLS
Ref: Dom Lemon Debate Live CNN HD
arista
10-11-2016, 05:56 AM
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arista
10-11-2016, 05:58 AM
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kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 05:59 AM
I fear for whoever is tolerant of Trump and many of his loony supporters
I for one am not going to be tolerant for islamophobia, Shutting out Syrian refugees (I'm so proud of Canada for letting so many in with very little problems), sucking the oil sands dry while warming the GLOBE'S climate, and allowing the rich to get richer while the poor people get poorer.
We cannot use the term 'Looney' if it is combined with the word 'Left', but it seems perfectly fine when describing Trump supporters or UK Brexit supporters.
And the Rich get Richer and the Poor get Poorer under ANY government, I'm sorry to say - even under all the many Socialist and Marxist and Communist governments there have ever been.
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 06:04 AM
...no Arista, bang on wrong...Trump was the 'protest vote' and a protest that had the majority so it's bang on wrong to think these protests shouldn't happen when protest has been such the thing.../I mean the irony...this as with Brexit was always going to be such a vote either way that people had no 'middle ground' thoughts, it was more either all for or all against so inevitably going to create unrest and that would have been either way with the result...had it been Hilary who had won and people were protesting against corruption in the White House with her reign..?..you can bet your bunker baby that you wouldn't be saying bang on right...
...it's so much that we're being told that things like Brexit (for Some) and Trump's vote (for some) are partly because of people feeling unable to voice/feeling restricted in their voice with the old PCs...that's being factored in a bit...so then it's thought wrong to have a voice in protest, that voice is being told to hush up because it's pointless...?...so the democratic right is now trying to quash the democratic right because it wasn't happy enough for them and didn't get there victory pancake breakfast and say hoooorahhh... dancing in the streets would have been fine and dandy maybe but protesting is a no....
...(so long as it's peaceful and doesn't lead to rioting/violence etc..)...then let them have their voice, let them have their protest because it's only fair and right as Trump has had his protest voice in these results../let it all be fair and let people speak if they feel the need to because if it's feeling that people can't speak, have felt unable to that have been part of results for these things..?../then it's bang on wrong to say they shouldn't happen....
...we shouldn't expect to have results and acknowledgements for the protest vote and not expect possible protests against...large amounts of people need their voices heard, whether it be deemed pointless or not when it's so often been said that, that's been partly a problem in the first place, the feeling of having no voice...
In any Democracy Ammi, surely ALL people have a 'Voice' through the Ballot Box?
I'm sorry, but to me, this is no different to the thousands of idiots who run riot through our town centres every so often disrupting other citizens lives and creating unnecessary work for the police and civic authorities, and all because their football team has lost.
Black Dagger
10-11-2016, 06:04 AM
Republicans would be doing the exact same thing if Hilary got in and would get violent with it as well. Let's not kid ourselves
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 06:06 AM
It's not about Donald vs Hillary now - It's about making A CHANGE.
Something needs to be done in this HORRIBLE US Electoral system - and being heard is how we are going to prevent Trump from destroying the country.
The guy has not even taken office yet and you write about him 'Destroying the country'?
Wait awhile - Trump might just surprise you.
In any Democracy Ammi, surely ALL people have a 'Voice' through the Ballot Box?
I'm sorry, but to me, this is no different to the thousands of idiots who run riot through our town centres every so often disrupting other citizens lives and creating unnecessary work for the police and civic authorities, and all because their football team has lost.
...democracy has had it's voice through the ballot box Kirk and that voice has been given 4 years in it's apparent 'protest vote' for many, whatever percentage but whatever the reasons for that democracy vote, it has a very generous 4 years anyway..I think it would be extremely intolerant and extremely ironic to not have the protest against the protest, have a few short days/ a small amount of time to heal and to voice in this peaceful way...(and if there is violence and rioting, that should swiftly and harshly dealt with..)...yes it may be disruptive, but whichever which way the result..it was always going to be strongly felt and was always going to disrupt...it's been said so many times, let's see what happens with Trump as president well let let's also see what happens with this protest because atm there are no riots, so lets not assume there will be..if there are then they have to be dealt with but the worst thing and the bigger 'build up' thing so we're often told is to try to stifle a voice that needs it's feelings heard...
armand.kay
10-11-2016, 06:23 AM
Republicans would be doing the exact same thing if Hilary got in and would get violent with it as well. Let's not kid ourselves
Don't remember that happening the two times Obama won.
armand.kay
10-11-2016, 06:26 AM
...democracy has had it's voice through the ballot box Kirk and that voice has been given 4 years in it's apparent 'protest vote' for many, whatever percentage but whatever the reasons for that democracy vote, it has a very generous 4 years anyway..I think it would be extremely intolerant and extremely ironic to not have the protest against the protest, have a few short days/ a small amount of time to heal and to voice in this peaceful way...(and if there is violence and rioting, that should swiftly and harshly dealt with..)...yes it may be disruptive, but whichever which way the result..it was always going to be strongly felt and was always going to disrupt...it's been said so many times, let's see what happens with Trump as president well let let's also see what happens with this protest because atm there are no riots, so lets not assume there will be..if there are then they have to be dealt with but the worst thing and the bigger 'build up' thing so we're often told is to try to stifle a voice that needs it's feelings heard...
But what is this actually going to achieve? Trump still will be president.
Don't remember that happening the two years Obama won.
..I just think it's hard armand to compare other election results because no other two candidates have ever created so much controversy in both being so crazily unsuitable for the job...it's been unique in its unbelievable factor for a very long while now.../which I don't recall happening before with 'the two best'...being equally as awful in different ways...
But what is this actually going to achieve? Trump still will be president.
..things don't always need to achieve but I think the worst thing is to say, just get over it, type thing and move on and leave those wounds left all open..the best healing is to let them have their voices so long as it stays peaceful and it shouldn't be pre-empted that it won't until that changes and unless it does...things like open borders/controlled borders etc have been a big thing for some votes in both this and Brexit so we're often told and opinions on that feeling that they can't voice, in fear of being thought of as racist/intolerant...so that creating a stifling that has led to frustration and the building of unrest/negativity...well it's the same principle here and hard to understand why it's objected to or thought wrong because if it is a path forward and is a change etc that is needed...then the starting point should be surely to allow voices to be heard...let them speak, let them release and let them move on and forward.../don't let it fester and build in strength...
armand.kay
10-11-2016, 06:38 AM
..I just think it's hard armand to compare other election results because no other two candidates have ever created so much controversy in both being so crazily unsuitable for the job...it's been unique in its unbelievable factor for a very long while now.../which I don't recall happening before with 'the two best'...being equally as awful in different ways...
I feel like trumps win was a bit unexpected for both sides while Hillary's camp probably thought they had it in the bag, explaining the meltdowns. Maybe a few trump supporters would of protested but I can't imagine it would've been to this scale.
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 06:38 AM
I fear for whoever is tolerant of Trump and many of his loony supporters
I for one am not going to be tolerant for islamophobia, Shutting out Syrian refugees (I'm so proud of Canada for letting so many in with very little problems), sucking the oil sands dry while warming the GLOBE'S climate, and allowing the rich to get richer while the poor people get poorer.
Given the limited choice, voting for the lesser or the two evils doesn't make those that voted for him 'loony'. Arrogant statement.
Syrian refugees should do what they are supposed to do and go to the first safe country, not make a beeline for countries like America and Britain. Genuine refugees' priority would be safety not the economy.
arista
10-11-2016, 06:40 AM
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i was not going to post this
as the Fecking Mirror is Negative
........ Is It Not AMMI
armand.kay
10-11-2016, 06:45 AM
..things don't always need to achieve but I think the worst thing is to say, just get over it, type thing and move on and leave those wounds left all open..the best healing is to let them have their voices so long as it stays peaceful and it shouldn't be pre-empted that it won't until that changes and unless it does...things like open borders/controlled borders etc have been a big thing for some votes in both this and Brexit so we're often told and opinions on that feeling that they can't voice, in fear of being thought of as racist/intolerant...so that creating a stifling that has led to frustration and the building of unrest/negativity...well it's the same principle here and hard to understand why it's objected to or thought wrong because if it is a path forward and is a change etc that is needed...then the starting point should be surely to allow voices to be heard...let them speak, let them release and let them move on and forward.../don't let it fester and build in strength...
To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.
I feel like trumps win was a bit unexpected for both sides while Hillary's camp probably thought they had it in the bag, explaining the meltdowns. Maybe a few trump supporters would of protested but I can't imagine it would've been to this scale.
...we don't know that I guess and never will so I just can't say but it's definitely been an 'extremes' of support with this as in not much middle ground to be had../either all one way or the other so there has been much build up of emotions all fuelled by the old politic tricks as well in the last few weeks..and if that kind of build up and the strength of thoughts with it, I just think the most 'pointless' is to try to quash protest voices because we all know, it doesn't work like that, that people 'move on'...they feel the need for their voices to be heard for a small time to enable them to move on/it's part of the healing for some and the coming to terms with etc...and it's really only for a very short time that these protests generally happen in 'the aftermath' compared to the 4yr Trump reign the USA will have../it seems selfish and intolerant and lacking of understanding to deny that or oppose it...
arista
10-11-2016, 06:49 AM
Our PM is ready to talk with Trump
after Jan/20th/ 2017
She can Fly out to the White House
and her team can stay down the road at the NEW
Trump Tower Hotel
Utter Bliss
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 06:50 AM
To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.
:clap1::clap1::clap1: When it actually comes down to it Armand - You have hit the nail squarely on the head.
arista
10-11-2016, 06:51 AM
Why is Ammi so angry
is it because kids in the school room
are scared.
Tell Em
Arista will send them to a
Trump Resort Holiday / Education
arista
10-11-2016, 06:55 AM
Why are posts going up Twice?
I used to Delete them
but I do not know if a Staff member
is doing the same.
Ben did that to me when he was staff
To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.
..I don't agree..I don't know what the percentages were with Trump's win but with Brexit for instance..(comparing as it's another controversial type voting situation..)...it was obviously quite split to almost 50/50...and I do feel that a 'coming together' has to happen in these things and a moving forward together etc because there is no choice and if something is a 'fail' then it will be a fail for everyone...but one of the things I've heard and absorbed through both of these things is a voice of 'well those voices should have been listened to and not felt stifled' and s it would be wrong to stifle these ones because that will only widen wounds...
..just a by the by and a little off topic...I recall when my sons' were in 6th form/uni etc there were often protests about this and that..and really because those establishments will not bow to demands as it were of students..(in many things..)...the students knew really of the pointlessness and that 'it wouldn't achieve' but they still in things they had strong feelings about, felt the need to be heard in protest.../it just doesn't always have achieve but it's best to allow it to communicate..(in a non violent way..)...
Why is Ammi so angry
is it because kids in the school room
are scared.
Tell Em
Arista will send them to a
Trump Resort Holiday / Education
...we need a Father Christmas this year because the guy who usually does, isn't able to do it this time...you want the job Arista, can you come..?..
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i was not going to post this
as the Fecking Mirror is Negative
........ Is It Not AMMI
..yeah I have to say that the media will probably not be helping but I guess it's more the media in the USA that's important and there's no point in them relating a 'slant' against Trump and a lack of support etc../discontent in people while greatly contributing to that themselves and feeding it...
Jack_
10-11-2016, 07:22 AM
Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.
Protesting and intolerance do not go hand in hand with each other, and this is a really dangerous attitude I've seen develop of late. In a democracy (which people often like to reiterate), you are entitled by rights to freedom of assembly and to protest about issues you care about. These do not recede just because an election has taken place, people are allowed to be critical of the result, it is irrelevant whether or not it will change anything - they are entitled to make their voice heard.
You will often find people who break the law in any kind of protest and that's in part both because some people will always spoil it for everyone else and that police tactics such as kettling will make it inevitable. But that doesn't mean it applies to everyone who protests, the vast majority are tolerant and are just exercising their democratic right. The media's treatment of Trump keeps being brought up so it's also worth pointing out that their depictions of protests can often be distorted so as to rubbish a cause and paint everyone involved as petty thugs. It works both ways.
If they are to be believed Maru, and this isn't just 'Sour Grapes' - one might ask why they did not take to the streets in earnest protest about Clinton being their nominee, during all these many, many months BEFORE she lost to Trump.
I have the feeling that old Hilary was good enough for them while it seemed that she was a WINNER, and it is the DEFEAT which these precious little undemocratic dahlings cannot stomach.
Many Bernie supporters did in fact protest after it transpired how manipulative the DNC had been in securing Clinton's nomination.
arista
10-11-2016, 07:30 AM
..yeah I have to say that the media will probably not be helping but I guess it's more the media in the USA that's important and there's no point in them relating a 'slant' against Trump and a lack of support etc../discontent in people while greatly contributing to that themselves and feeding it...
Can you add "the left wing" Media
please.............
Jack_
10-11-2016, 07:36 AM
Left wing media is an oxymoron so don't add anything Ammi
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 07:37 AM
Protesting and intolerance do not go hand in hand with each other, and this is a really dangerous attitude I've seen develop of late. In a democracy (which people often like to reiterate), you are entitled by rights to freedom of assembly and to protest about issues you care about. These do not recede just because an election has taken place, people are allowed to be critical of the result, it is irrelevant whether or not it will change anything - they are entitled to make their voice heard.
You will often find people who break the law in any kind of protest and that's in part both because some people will always spoil it for everyone else and that police tactics such as kettling will make it inevitable. But that doesn't mean it applies to everyone who protests, the vast majority are tolerant and are just exercising their democratic right. The media's treatment of Trump keeps being brought up so it's also worth pointing out that their depictions of protests can often be distorted so as to rubbish a cause and paint everyone involved as petty thugs. It works both ways.
Many Bernie supporters did in fact protest after it transpired how manipulative the DNC had been in securing Clinton's nomination.
In this case it appears to have far more to do with sour grapes than having a voice, they have just had that. Unfortunately for them more voices had a different opinion.
I really think they believe if they shout loud enough someone will hear and maybe another Ms Miller will come along and throw a spanner in the works. In their dreams! Trying it on basically!
Jack_
10-11-2016, 07:44 AM
In this case it appears to have far more to do with sour grapes than having a voice, they have just had that. Unfortunately for them more voices had a different opinion.
I really think they believe if they shout loud enough someone will hear and maybe another Ms Miller will come along and throw a spanner in the works. In their dreams! Trying it on basically!
And? One person's 'sour grapes' (Jesus ****ing Christ this is people's livelihoods not the X Factor) is another person's concerns about the way their lives are or are about to be governed. It is absolutely irrelevant whether or not an election has taken place, just because one side has won it doesn't mean all dissenting opinions must be silenced, because then taken to its logical conclusion what exactly is the point in having an official opposition to scrutinise policies - why not ban that and let the government have free reign as a dictatorship for the duration of the administration? That's not democracy and this really is a moronic notion that needs to be culled.
arista
10-11-2016, 07:57 AM
Left wing media is an oxymoron so don't add anything Ammi
Feck Off Jack
LEFT WING MEDIA
gets in my way
they are Pathetic
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 08:16 AM
Its good to get out and walk in the fresh air as long as you are not disrupting working peoples lives and livelihoods
otherwise its incredibly selfish
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 08:56 AM
And? One person's 'sour grapes' (Jesus ****ing Christ this is people's livelihoods not the X Factor) is another person's concerns about the way their lives are or are about to be governed. It is absolutely irrelevant whether or not an election has taken place, just because one side has won it doesn't mean all dissenting opinions must be silenced, because then taken to its logical conclusion what exactly is the point in having an official opposition to scrutinise policies - why not ban that and let the government have free reign as a dictatorship for the duration of the administration? That's not democracy and this really is a moronic notion that needs to be culled.
Whoever won the other side would have had concerns about how the way their lives were about to be governed. Taking to the streets on mass is attention seeking nonsense by those intent on making waves - put simply throwing a tantrum.
Ms Miller threw a gigantic tantrum via the courts, others are doing the same albeit by a different method. Pathetic really. A moronic notion that needs to be culled!
Jack_
10-11-2016, 09:15 AM
Whoever won the other side would have had concerns about how the way their lives were about to be governed. Taking to the streets on mass is attention seeking nonsense by those intent on making waves - put simply throwing a tantrum.
Ms Miller threw a gigantic tantrum via the courts, others are doing the same albeit by a different method. Pathetic really. A moronic notion that needs to be culled!
So what do you suggest, that all dissenting opinion from now until the next election cycle is banned? They must bow down to the other half of the electorate who voted for Trump, they must succumb to his administration and not dare step out of line by critiquing his proposals and policies, the Democrats and other parties must retreat until 2019 and allow the Republicans to do whatever they like - coz that's democracy innit!
Protesting is a democratic right that isn't revoked just because an election has taken place, or else that's what we call a dictatorship. It is pretty laughable that you lambast it for being 'attention seeking' when...err...that's kind of the point of a protest, to draw attention to an issue? This kind of attitude is a complete ****stain on the legacies of people who fought for our right not only to vote, but to be allowed to assemble and express dissenting opinions - and in all honesty you should be ashamed of yourself. And for all peoples criticisms of the media's role in this election, this attitude is ironically born and bread by the media itself.
On a separate note - why do I get the feeling I've spoken to you before?
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 09:25 AM
Feck Off Jack
LEFT WING MEDIA
gets in my way
they are Pathetic
That is extremely rude, really.
Anyway, how odd it is despite systems in elections that are not the best system there could be, such as ours here in the UK, that inflicts govts on us who get a very small level of support from the whole electorate.
However what often does get held up is who gets more votes, in the EU referendum it doesn't matter that 2 Nations of the UK voted heavily against leaving.
All that matters in that case is overall there was a very small 3.8% majority to leave as to votes.
Of course that is right, there was, however as Ammi has stated, that leaves just about almost a 50/50 split and passions and will of course still run high.
However we keep getting the vote was all that matters and we should, shut up and get on with it.
However I can understand the dismay in the USA at this election, to me there seems a lot wrong wit their system too as with ours.
The States and the numbers that go to the electoral college have in 2 elections already since 2000 not totally reflected the actual votes cast.
Albeit with the tiniest majority, Clinton got more votes in this election that Trump, however was soundly beaten in the electoral college system.
Twice that has happened in just 4 elections, in 2000 and now 2016.
So as Ammi is indicating there is another almost 50/50 split.
Also understanding the anger, it amazes me that people who advocate they support democracy, then condemn the democratic right of protest against something if they do not support being against a decision.
Many Nations of the World get condemned as to their leaders for people not being able to demonstrate against this or that.
Reforms and voting right in the UK were fought for and won by demonstrations and protests.
It is part of a true democratic right to do so.
So why condemn those in the States now exercising that democratic right to do so now after this extremely divisive and nasty tones election.
Also in light of something like an 82 majority for Trump in the electoral college but Clinton having actually, just, got more votes than him across the whole of the USA.
That system along with our outdated and now totally unrepresentative first past the post electoral system here, I think needs changing and looking at.
It should never be anywhere that actual votes can be 50/50 split in any elections but one part/individual can then get such a distorted level of power from that.
In such distortions of votes, anger and frustration is bound to surface as Ammi is saying.
It should not matter whether we support or do not support particular candidates or issues, what should be the case in my view, is that the democratic right to protest, in any real democracy that is, is upheld completely and not condemned just when it doesn't fit our own stance or opinion..
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 09:28 AM
So what do you suggest, that all dissenting opinion from now until the next election cycle is banned? They must bow down to the other half of the electorate who voted for Trump, they must succumb to his administration and not dare step out of line by critiquing his proposals and policies, the Democrats and other parties must retreat until 2019 and allow the Republicans to do whatever they like - coz that's democracy innit!
Protesting is a democratic right that isn't revoked just because an election has taken place, or else that's what we call a dictatorship. It is pretty laughable that you lambast it for being 'attention seeking' when...err...that's kind of the point of a protest, to draw attention to an issue? This kind of attitude is a complete ****stain on the legacies of people who fought for our right not only to vote, but to be allowed to assemble and express dissenting opinions - and in all honesty you should be ashamed of yourself. And for all peoples criticisms of the media's role in this election, this attitude is ironically born and bread by the media itself.
On a separate note - why do I get the feeling I've spoken to you before?
I am not against protest in principle, but this was an election - there will always be a large number of dissenting opinions. Taking to the streets the next day is futile unless they actually believe it will somehow change the outcome or interfere with the policies of the side that won. The reason Trump won is clearly because the majority preferred his policies to those of Clinton. Their opinions do not superseed those of the side that won.
No doubt Cinton supporters wouldn't have been too impressed if it was the other way round.
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 09:33 AM
That is extremely rude, really.
Anyway, how odd it is despite systems in elections that are not the best system there could be, such as ours here in the UK, that inflicts govts on us who get a very small level of support from the whole electorate.
However what often does get held up is who gets more votes, in the EU referendum it doesn't matter that 2 Nations of the UK voted heavily against leaving.
All that matters in that case is overall there was a very small 3.8% majority to leave as to votes.
Of course that is right, there was, however as Ammi has stated, that leaves just about almost a 50/50 split and passions and will of course still run high.
However we keep getting the vote was all that matters and we should, shut up and get on with it.
However I can understand the dismay in the USA at this election, to me there seems a lot wrong wit their system too as with ours.
The States and the numbers that go to the electoral college have in 2 elections already since 2000 not totally reflected the actual votes cast.
Albeit with the tiniest majority, Clinton got more votes in this election that Trump, however was soundly beaten in the electoral college system.
Twice that has happened in just 4 elections, in 2000 and now 2016.
So as Ammi is indicating there is another almost 50/50 split.
Also understanding the anger, it amazes me that people who advocate they support democracy, then condemn the democratic right of protest against something if they do not support being against a decision.
Many Nations of the World get condemned as to their leaders for people not being able to demonstrate against this or that.
Reforms and voting right in the UK were fought for and won by demonstrations and protests.
It is part of a true democratic right to do so.
So why condemn those in the States now exercising that democratic right to do so now after this extremely divisive and nasty tones election.
Also in light of something like an 82 majority for Trump in the electoral college but Clinton having actually, just, got more votes than him across the whole of the USA.
That system along with our outdated and now totally unrepresentative first past the post electoral system here, I think needs changing and looking at.
It should never be anywhere that actual votes can be 50/50 split in any elections but one part/individual can then get such a distorted level of power from that.
In such distortions of votes, anger and frustration is bound to surface as Ammi is saying.
It should not matter whether we support or do not suupport particular candidates or issues, what should be the case in my view, is that the democratic right to protest, in any real democracy that is, is upheld completely and not condemned just when it doesn't fit our own stance or opinion..
The system is the system - quibbling about exact numbers is irrelevant and pointless. 50% of the electorate do not trust Clinton! Simple as.
Cherie
10-11-2016, 09:34 AM
I don't really see the correlation between these marches and marching against Brexit, the US will get a chance in 4 years to vote again and a chance to change Trump if he is useless, and the ballot was binding, unlike the UK referendum, by all means they are allowed a voice, like Kirk said they should have marched before the election and demanded new candidates, they should have learned from Brexit, and that Polls are more often a poor reflection of what is actually going on.
arista
10-11-2016, 09:45 AM
FECK Sake
Ref : LBC LIVE Nic
Some Punk Parked a Car in LA that's at 11:40AM(their time -- not even midnight)
these demos are sets ups sure there is a Latino
or a Muslim going on camera saying "scared of trump" Loads with MASKS (I would Ban them)
No one died on this FAKE demo
He is Now President
Elect/ on Jan 29th 2017
so some of those off the cuff remarks,
are no longer on his new teleprompter
So All is Good AMMI
and JACK
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 09:49 AM
FECK Sake
Ref : LBC LIVE Nic
Some Punk Parked a Car in LA that at 11:40AM
these demos are sets ups sure there is a Latino
or a Muslim going on camera saying "scared of trump" Loads with MASKS (I would Ban them)
No one died on this FAKE demo
He is Now President
Elect/ on Jan 29th 2017
so some of those off the cuff remarks,
are no longer on his new teleprompter
So All is Good AMMI
and JACK
Exactly, he is now president - deal with it! That is what elections are all about.
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 10:04 AM
The system is the system - quibbling about exact numbers is irrelevant and pointless. 50% of the electorate do not trust Clinton! Simple as.
Simple as, since she got marginally more votes across the USA than he did clearly more did not trust him and a few more actually would have trusted her more than him.
Be as selective as you like, but that is a fact too since she got more votes overall.
I hate our electoral system in the UK and will now, if necessary join anything that works to help one day get rid of it.
It worked well in the past but it is failing the whole of the UK now and badly so, especially in the multi party system here.
It also seems now to me that the USA electoral college system needs looking at, as it is now not representing the actual votes cast in their elections too.
Little wonder, even with unpopular candidates and strong passions, people get frustrated when in reality democracy, rather than satisfying them. lets them down badly via election results.
The fact is in both so called major democracies, the UK and the USA,they have systems that fail the voters.
In the UK, a govt; can get full power with nearly two thirds of the voters actually voting against and rejecting their whole programme.
In the USA, in half the elections now since 2000, the candidate who actually got the most votes across the whole of the USA, was soundly beaten for power by the seemingly distorted electoral college system.
Yes, they may well be the system in place, that however neither makes them right for the times,or diminishes democratic rights to protest at election outcomes, no matter which way they go.
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 10:09 AM
Simple as, since she got marginally more votes across the USA than he did clearly more did not trust him and a few more actually would have trusted her more than him.
Be as selective as you like, but that is a fact too since she got more votes overall.
I hate our electoral system in the UK and will now, if necessary join anything that works to help one day get rid of it.
It worked well in the past but it is failing the whole of the UK now and badly so, especially in the multi party system here.
It also seems now to me that the USA electoral college system needs looking at, as it is now not representing the actual votes cast in their elections too.
Little wonder, even with unpopular candidates and strong passions, people get frustrated when in reality democracy, rather than satisfying them. lets them down badly via election results.
The fact is in both so called major democracies, the UK and the USA,they have systems that fail the voters.
In the UK, a govt; can get full power with nearly two thirds of the voters actually voting against and rejecting their whole programme.
In the USA, in half the elections now since 2000, the candidate who actually got the most votes across the whole of the USA, was soundly beaten for power by the seemingly distorted electoral college system.
Yes, they may well be the system in place, that however neither makes them right for the times,or diminishes democratic rights to protest at election outcomes, no matter which way they go.
I see, so both electoral systems need an overhaul because in both cases the vote did not go your way. Sorry, but that sounds like a very sore loser to me.
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 10:14 AM
Instead of going on about the voting system perhaps address the 0ver 100 million who did not even BOTHER to vote in the latest election
Shaun
10-11-2016, 10:20 AM
Got to love the hypocrisy of those preaching about the democratic process being brilliant and fair and yet telling everyone who's unhappy with the outcome to shut up and get over it.
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 10:29 AM
I see, so both electoral systems need an overhaul because in both cases the vote did not go your way. Sorry, but that sounds like a very sore loser to me.
How offensive.
I said in my post whichever the way elections go,I do not like systems anywhere that do not properly represent votes cast by people taking the time to vote..
We have had in the UK elections in the last 3 elections where 2 gave power absolute power to one party, one Labour and one Conservative.
I object equally to both so don't just brand people who believe if fairness in elections as sore losers.
I am Labour supporter in the UK and I know full well that a PR system here would remove absolute power from both major parties in elections and government.
I however believe that to be right and fair that elections represent votes cast more accurately and fairly as to representation.
In the USA I wanted Clinton over Trump and she got the most votes across the whole USA.
If however you are happy with a system that can dismiss that closeness of votes and allow someone who got fewer votes to take full power with a larger mandate due to the electoral college system, then sorry that kind of democracy is not for me.
In fact to me it is dubious as to whether that is in fact real democracy.
The USA has elections to the Senate and House of Representatives from all States,why on earth cannot it just have a President elected by all the people via the actual votes cast across the whole USA as a total.
I say that as to whoever would have or could have won.
It puzzles me still why those who believe in democracy moan at people who are protesting against something when it is their full legitimate right to do so.
In a real democracy that is.
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 10:34 AM
Got to love the hypocrisy of those preaching about the democratic process being brilliant and fair and yet telling everyone who's unhappy with the outcome to shut up and get over it.
Isnt that why we have voting? To decide and move forward?
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 10:35 AM
How offensive.
I said in my post whichever the way elections go,I do not like systems anywhere that do not properly represent votes cast by people taking the time to vote..
We have had in the UK elections in the last 3 elections where 2 gave power absolute power to one party, one Labour and one Conservative.
I object equally to both so don't just brand people who believe if fairness in elections as sore losers.
I am Labour supporter in the UK and I know full well that a PR system here would remove absolute power from both major parties in elections and government.
I however believe that to be right and fair that elections represent votes cast more accurately and fairly as to representation.
In the USA I wanted Clinton over Trump and she got the most votes across the whole USA.
If however you are happy with a system that can dismiss that closeness of votes and allow someone who got fewer votes to take full power with a larger mandate due to the electoral college system, then sorry that kind of democracy is not for me.
In fact to me it is dubious as to whether that is in fact real democracy.
The USA has elections to the Senate and House of Representatives from all States,why on earth cannot it just have a President elected by all the people via the actual votes cast across the whole USA as a total.
I say that as to whoever would have or could have won.
It puzzles me still why those who believe in democracy moan at people who are protesting against something when it is their full legitimate right to do so.
In a real democracy that is.
What about the rights of citizens to get to work on time and operate their businesses
or did you forget about them?
Livia
10-11-2016, 10:39 AM
If the election had gone the other way, Trump voters would be marching and Hillary voters would be telling them to suck it up and get over it.
A democratic election has taken place and a result called. Resistance. Is. Futile.
Northern Monkey
10-11-2016, 10:41 AM
I don't think you can ever get the voting system perfect.If you had it just on the total number of votes then you would always get one party in power every election without any chance for changing it.When you have huge states like NY and Cali with massive populations all loyally voting mainly one way then it wouldn't give the smaller states with smaller populations a chance.All these states have different issues which are'nt all addressed by one party and then there are those states who could go either way.No way to get it perfect but it needs to be a method that gives everyone atleast a hope of winning.
As for the protests.Well we live in a democracy and it's their right aslong as it's peaceful and it's understandable given the choice that the American people were given.It's like a double kick in the nuts for Democrats.Even their own candidate was terrible.
There should be some rules imo which stops the protesters blocking roads etc and disrupting infrastructure.Maybe do it in pedestrian areas etc where their voice can be heard but it doesn't stop everyone else getting on with life.Blocking the general public from going about their business just stirs up more anger in people who don't want to be part of it.
Shaun
10-11-2016, 10:42 AM
Isnt that why we have voting? To decide and move forward?
It's why we have debate and forums.
Niamh.
10-11-2016, 10:55 AM
:fan:
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938135_10154759052175337_6862551252438677871_n.j pg?oh=c1810ecd8f79527a91cc209bd6c01002&oe=589707FB
smudgie
10-11-2016, 10:56 AM
We vote, we know we have to accept it, however we also have the right to let our feelings be known, in a peaceful orderly fashion.
When you end up with people playing silly beggars, causing grief and damage then charge them for breaking the law.
Livia
10-11-2016, 10:57 AM
:fan:
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938135_10154759052175337_6862551252438677871_n.j pg?oh=c1810ecd8f79527a91cc209bd6c01002&oe=589707FB
Back when his hair looked relatively normal.
Niamh.
10-11-2016, 11:01 AM
Back when his hair looked relatively normal.
relatively :laugh:
Lock this scum up!
Warning! this is a violent attack
djx3T9IEc1A
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 11:40 AM
Lock this scum up!
Warning! this is a violent attack
djx3T9IEc1A
Shameful - one for the cause eh, total idiots. Violent morons could have killed him. The women were just as bad.
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 11:45 AM
Lock this scum up!
Warning! this is a violent attack
djx3T9IEc1A
I notice that it's 'One On One' as usual. The cowardly bullying little bastards.
Northern Monkey
10-11-2016, 11:48 AM
Lock this scum up!
Warning! this is a violent attack
djx3T9IEc1A
That's fecked up.I'd have taken one of the bastards down with me atleast.I hope they're locked up.
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 11:51 AM
We vote, we know we have to accept it, however we also have the right to let our feelings be known, in a peaceful orderly fashion.
When you end up with people playing silly beggars, causing grief and damage then charge them for breaking the law.
I agree again.
Anyone who fails to protest and demonstrate with moderate behaviour should as you say, be hauled into the courts for any violent action or any damage.
That is usually a minority I have found of those joining in marches, demonstrating and protests.
However there should be no place for them on such events.
That does not mean those protesting correctly should have their rights to do so removed.
I am also very sure indeed, had Trump got just a few more overall total votes than Clinton but Clinton had then got the electoral college result he did, that Trump supporters too would be out there massively protesting too,with again a minority causing great bother too likely.
I would still be upholding either candidates supporters right to do so however.
Protesting that is with acceptable behaviour.
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 11:52 AM
:fan:
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938135_10154759052175337_6862551252438677871_n.j pg?oh=c1810ecd8f79527a91cc209bd6c01002&oe=589707FB
King of prediction
:hehe:
Tom4784
10-11-2016, 11:53 AM
Republicans would be doing the exact same thing if Hilary got in and would get violent with it as well. Let's not kid ourselves
Very true. Especially given that Trump rallies tended to attract violent types to begin with.
Niamh.
10-11-2016, 11:54 AM
King of prediction
:hehe:
Can't argue with that tbf :laugh:
Tom4784
10-11-2016, 12:12 PM
I don't think protesting the result is a bad thing, especially since Clinton lost despite getting more votes. A result like that isn't going to sit well with people and they have a right to make their voices heard. People are allowed to take issue with the Electoral system and to demand changes to make it so that it better reflects the votes.
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 12:24 PM
The only violent types at his rallies were the ones forcing him to be rushed off stage. I don't recall any of his supporters doing the same to Hillary.
correct it was horrible clinton supporters causing trouble when they should not have been there
shocking
Cherie
10-11-2016, 12:32 PM
I don't think protesting the result is a bad thing, especially since Clinton lost despite getting more votes. A result like that isn't going to sit well with people and they have a right to make their voices heard. People are allowed to take issue with the Electoral system and to demand changes to make it so that it better reflects the votes.
Yeah we would have loved 4 million Kippers marching given their voice wasn't fairly represented in Parliament, the time to protest was BEFORE the election when there was a 50/50 chance Donald would be elected, they knew how the system worked, they trusted the polls and got too complacent
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
10-11-2016, 12:37 PM
Oh let them. Racists, fascists, sexists already feel like they're legitimised. Kkk out there more outspoken than in recent years and already stories of people getting their hijab snatched off and n8igger written on doors. Let them lash out. I fear for Americans.
The 25th and 35th President got assassinated- will the 45th? Wouldn't be surprised.
Cherie
10-11-2016, 12:47 PM
Someone suggested there should be a "none of the above" option on ballot papers which I think would have solved the problem here of voting for a "lesser" evil
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
10-11-2016, 12:54 PM
Someone suggested there should be a "none of the above" option on ballot papers which I think would have solved the problem here of voting for a "lesser" evil
Isn't that the 46% who didn't vote though?
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
10-11-2016, 12:55 PM
Very true. Especially given that Trump rallies tended to attract violent types to begin with.
It would have been more vicious.
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 01:00 PM
Oh let them. Racists, fascists, sexists already feel like they're legitimised. Kkk out there more outspoken than in recent years and already stories of people getting their hijab snatched off and n8igger written on doors. Let them lash out. I fear for Americans.
The 25th and 35th President got assassinated- will the 45th? Wouldn't be surprised.
Very strong post that indeed.
A lot that should be thought provoking.
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 01:09 PM
Clinton who the "protesters" support graciously accepted the WIN, the President graciously accepted the WIN
but these mainly young people cant
:facepalm:
Jamie89
10-11-2016, 01:18 PM
Clinton who the "protesters" support graciously accepted the WIN, the President graciously accepted the WIN
but these mainly young people cant
:facepalm:
Those two people don't represent the entire population though. It's very dictatorial to suggest that peoples views and feelings and voices should be repressed because of what the leaders think. And the win can be accepted whilst still wanting to protest against the system and try and achieve change for the future.
Tom4784
10-11-2016, 01:23 PM
Yeah we would have loved 4 million Kippers marching given their voice wasn't fairly represented in Parliament, the time to protest was BEFORE the election when there was a 50/50 chance Donald would be elected, they knew how the system worked, they trusted the polls and got too complacent
Who would have predicted that the winner would be the person with the least votes? Like Lucas said before, if it was the opposite way around and Trump lost despite getting more votes there would be RIOTS.
People are allowed to be upset, people are allowed to peacefully protest. Trump supporters need to accept that differing opinions exist.
Trump himself indicated that he wouldn't accept the democratic process if Clinton won the presidency.
Trump himself incited violence at his rallies.
Hypocrisy is alive and well.
Cherie
10-11-2016, 02:15 PM
Isn't that the 46% who didn't vote though?
I'd imagine a lot of people vote because they can't not vote...like me for instance
Cherie
10-11-2016, 02:17 PM
Trump himself indicated that he wouldn't accept the democratic process if Clinton won the presidency.
Trump himself incited violence at his rallies.
Hypocrisy is alive and well.
Trump was well coached by Farage, he even mentioned "our own independance day' it had a lot of Brexit echos
Niamh.
10-11-2016, 02:17 PM
Who would have predicted that the winner would be the person with the least votes? Like Lucas said before, if it was the opposite way around and Trump lost despite getting more votes there would be RIOTS.
People are allowed to be upset, people are allowed to peacefully protest. Trump supporters need to accept that differing opinions exist.
We were talking to a guy in Texas who told us that he had 1000 rounds of ammunition ready for riots if Hillary won :worry:
Cherie
10-11-2016, 02:18 PM
Who would have predicted that the winner would be the person with the least votes? Like Lucas said before, if it was the opposite way around and Trump lost despite getting more votes there would be RIOTS.
People are allowed to be upset, people are allowed to peacefully protest. Trump supporters need to accept that differing opinions exist.
Where did I say they weren't allowed? My point is that it's too late to be protesting now
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 02:20 PM
I don't think protesting the result is a bad thing, especially since Clinton lost despite getting more votes. A result like that isn't going to sit well with people and they have a right to make their voices heard. People are allowed to take issue with the Electoral system and to demand changes to make it so that it better reflects the votes.
I'm sure you would have said the same if it had been the other way round - of course you would. No doubt in my mind!
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 02:26 PM
We were talking to a guy in Texas who told us that he had 1000 rounds of ammunition ready for riots if Hillary won :worry:
most Texans have that ready just to greet a new day
Niamh.
10-11-2016, 02:29 PM
most Texans have that ready just to greet a new day
:laugh:
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 02:31 PM
most Texans have that ready just to greet a new day
:laugh:
rk3388
10-11-2016, 03:14 PM
And the Rich get Richer and the Poor get Poorer under ANY government, I'm sorry to say - even under all the many Socialist and Marxist and Communist governments there have ever been.
There's no comparing the plan between Bernie and Donald. Donald is literally lowering the taxes for the richest people in America by 20%. Either way, words are just words, and if this bill passes we'll see who is right in 4 years time.
Tom4784
10-11-2016, 03:44 PM
I'm sure you would have said the same if it had been the other way round - of course you would. No doubt in my mind!
No. I accept that people are entitled to protest even if I disagree with them.
Tom4784
10-11-2016, 03:45 PM
Where did I say they weren't allowed? My point is that it's too late to be protesting now
I wouldn't say so, it's not too late to protest the democratic process and demand changes for 2020.
Cherie
10-11-2016, 03:49 PM
I wouldn't say so, it's not too late to protest the democratic process and demand changes for 2020.
Of course not, but I doubt they took to the streets with a view to 2020 :laugh:
Tom4784
10-11-2016, 03:56 PM
Of course not, but I doubt they took to the streets with a view to 2020 :laugh:
Either way they are entitled to protest peacefully on both counts. The winner of the election won when they didn't have the most votes. Both the system and the result is flawed.
I edited the OP. The protests are organized by Socialist Advantage/Socialist Alternative. I was going to add last night, but I was so tired and my laptop didn't have much juice left for me to look up good sources. :laugh:
Cherie
10-11-2016, 05:18 PM
Either way they are entitled to protest peacefully on both counts. The winner of the election won when they didn't have the most votes. Both the system and the result is flawed.
Unless the system was changed without public knowledge then i don't see the issue, it needs reform but then so does our system
arista
10-11-2016, 05:35 PM
Either way they are entitled to protest peacefully on both counts. The winner of the election won when they didn't have the most votes. Both the system and the result is flawed.
Yes it was late night
only for world press
achieved nothing.
Move On Left Wingers
I Demand, Dezzy
As for the protesting from what I saw last night...
Most of the people who were interviewed skewed young. Some didn't seem to know, or at least fully understand, what they were protesting (and looked like they were having a good time). One guy was just there to "support the protesters" even though he doesn't really agree with them... just a strange affair.
The ones that did know, were calling for him to be impeached and some were angry that Bernie didn't get the nomination. Hillary's name wasn't brought up really as it was more a consensus of the democratic party being too weak to nominate anyone better than Trump.
A fair few talked to CNN and seemed resigned to the result, but wanted to make their feelings apparent for whatever it meant, a peaceful objection the result, because they said they awoke to fear this morning and this was an outlet for their anger and fears of oppression... others were obviously heavily involved activists and they were going to keep protesting for the things they believe in for as long as needed....
All pretty understandable given the things he's said during his campaign and the emotions it has stirred for many people. The crowds seemed very well mixed, if not skewed young. (The one guy there to support the protesters protesting was old though :laugh:)
Anyway, these people have woken up to an America they don't really recognize (if even out of naivety) so I think that the shock is highly understandable...
Also this is an awesome sign (on the left) greatly sums up their effort
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/,scalefit_600_noupscale/5823de821800002e005032f0.jpeg
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 05:47 PM
in other words a bunch of kids with no mortgages, no dependents and little responsibility out for a lark thinking they understand the world when they havent even met it yet
quick lets get a selfy
:facepalm:
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 05:51 PM
Of course not, but I doubt they took to the streets with a view to 2020 :laugh:
Cherie - Clear your message box, I've been trying to pm you for a week. :fist:
Cherie
10-11-2016, 05:57 PM
Cherie - Clear your message box, I've been trying to pm you for a week. :fist:
That's weird I have had other pm's :hehe: try now
kirklancaster
10-11-2016, 06:00 PM
That's weird I have had other pm's :hehe: try now
Done. :laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
10-11-2016, 06:13 PM
Not Cherie's box being stuffed full, again
:omgno:
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 06:28 PM
No. I accept that people are entitled to protest even if I disagree with them.
That's what I feel too.
Brillopad
10-11-2016, 06:30 PM
in other words a bunch of kids with no mortgages, no dependents and little responsibility out for a lark thinking they understand the world when they havent even met it yet
quick lets get a selfy
:facepalm:
Very true!
reece(:
10-11-2016, 06:32 PM
People are allowed to be upset, people are allowed to peacefully protest. Trump supporters need to accept that differing opinions exist.
Serving Leave voters teas.
empire
10-11-2016, 10:10 PM
would these protesters support hillary if she went to war with russia and Iran, likely yes, they are the sort of people who want something for nothing, if hillary threw free money at them in turn support her wars, they would support her 100 percent.
would these protesters support hillary if she went to war with russia and Iran, likely yes, they are the sort of people who want something for nothing, if hillary threw free money at them in turn support her wars, they would support her 100 percent.
If you'd read the thread then you'd know that most of them don't actually support Hillary
joeysteele
10-11-2016, 10:37 PM
I understand the protesters frustrations and annoyance but they may be worrying too soon.
Of course the electoral college system needs looking at and is clearly unrepresentative of actual voting now.
However this man, I think anyway, never expected to be in this position, he has gone from resembling a mad bull to a mouse in just 2 days.
I think he sees the enormity of the task ahead and is actually probably totally unprepared for it,knowing 'all' the decisions he now makes, he will have to be fully accountable for.
Which may mean certainly for his first 2 years he will sort of have to let himself be controlled by his party and advisors on his mission, whatever that mission is now post the election rather than before.
Then after 2 years, he has to start thinking about the next election coming 2 years later, with all the build up and then a years campaigning almost again.
Americans against him come what may,should be looking at ensuring, and the Democrat party particularly should, that he is a one term President.
It could be a 2nd term would be his strongest as to his past rhetoric once he has new confidence and has worked his way round the presidential duties and system.
He is at present like a totally different person following this win, almost now like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
I am starting to think that Trump the president will possibly be nothing at all like Trump the candidate.
All Mister loudmouth on the campaign trail but now that is over really using his ears, both of them, once he takes proper office as president.
Which then will more likely than not end up really dismaying and annoying far more those who voted for him, rather than those who did not.
I'm not surprised at all he toned down his personality. I think he is capable of being humble and conciliatory to others, which is why he doesn't leave only enemies in his wake, but people who do speak overly enthusiastically of him. So apparently he's two faced in that respect :laugh:
Anyway, personally I don't care whether they protest or not, because that is their right, as long as it's peaceful. Both sides of the aisle have been threatening to put a gun to our heads so to speak for voting or feeling a certain way. i.e. threats of more violence if they don't get their way. I'm just glad that at least so far it has been peaceful and is sparking a conversation in the media.
There are things that aggravate me about this country, like our tendency to police others around the globe. Then there are things that I love about my country... which is the right to freedom of speech, freedom to protest and our strong democracy.
They can protest and be on CNN at night for the next 365 days and it won't bother me. It's amazing cardio to walk the city and to be honest, a good way to meet other people and to reach out and meet other people you would otherwise not be able to meet. Maybe even people you'd not necessarily agree with (because opposites attract in these crowds). However, there is a point when these protests or movements need to get beyond the anger... for some that is violence and it's what I fear most... but then you know, if nothing has been done for you and this strongly affects you, then it surely beats sitting around and doing nothing about it. If Trump had lost, then I think that those of his supporters would (and should) be doing the same thing. This is how democracy works.
Besides, we know those in Washington sometimes have a hearing problem... maybe from all those years spent living the same mindset, listening to the same arguments... sometimes seeing is believing. :laugh:
I understand the protesters frustrations and annoyance but they may be worrying too soon.
Of course the electoral college system needs looking at and is clearly unrepresentative of actual voting now.
However this man, I think anyway, never expected to be in this position, he has gone from resembling a mad bull to a mouse in just 2 days.
I think he sees the enormity of the task ahead and is actually probably totally unprepared for it,knowing 'all' the decisions he now makes, he will have to be fully accountable for.
Which may mean certainly for his first 2 years he will sort of have to let himself be controlled by his party and advisors on his mission, whatever that mission is now post the election rather than before.
Then after 2 years, he has to start thinking about the next election coming 2 years later, with all the build up and then a years campaigning almost again.
Americans against him come what may,should be looking at ensuring, and the Democrat party particularly should, that he is a one term President.
It could be a 2nd term would be his strongest as to his past rhetoric once he has new confidence and has worked his way round the presidential duties and system.
He is at present like a totally different person following this win, almost now like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
I am starting to think that Trump the president will possibly be nothing at all like Trump the candidate.
All Mister loudmouth on the campaign trail but now that is over really using his ears, both of them, once he takes proper office as president.
Which then will more likely than not end up really dismaying and annoying far more those who voted for him, rather than those who did not.
Great points Joey. Looking at Trump slumped in his chair beside the classy Presidential Obama I had the same thoughts as you.
He cynically exploited the paranoia and racial tensions within the country to cause further division and fear for his own narcissistic egotistical desires - he wanted to WIN at all costs. But does he actually really want the job itself? For now he has got it, he has hypocritically done a U - Turn and is even praising 'crooked Hillary' who he wanted to jail a week ago. As you say, the mad bull has become a mouse.
Better he stays that way... for otherwise America is in for 4 years of racism, sexism, xenophobia and homophobia - all the things it has worked to abolish over the years will have been for nothing, and lord knows what will come of it.
But then, many Americans wanted him and his hateful rhetoric and now they have him - and I too don't think he's going to deliver what they expect, or in the way they expect him to...I hope not anyway, for all our sakes...
Great points Joey. Looking at Trump slumped in his chair beside the classy Presidential Obama I had the same thoughts as you.
He cynically exploited the paranoia and racial tensions within the country to cause further division and fear for his own narcissistic egotistical desires - he wanted to WIN at all costs. But does he actually really want the job itself? For now he has got it, he has hypocritically done a U - Turn and is even praising 'crooked Hillary' who he wanted to jail a week ago. As you say, the mad bull has become a mouse.
Better he stays that way... for otherwise America is in for 4 years of racism, sexism, xenophobia and homophobia - all the things it has worked to abolish over the years will have been for nothing, and lord knows what will come of it.
But then, many Americans wanted him and his hateful rhetoric and now they have him - and I too don't think he's going to deliver what they expect, or in the way they expect him to...I hope not anyway, for all our sakes...
Jinxed!
http://i.imgur.com/gv9CpO1.jpg
At the risk of repeating myself from the OP... well that didn't take long... I wonder if this will be deleted by his new Chief of Staff or campaign manager.
He should listen to this man:
rVVt93fDrMk
armand.kay
11-11-2016, 04:53 AM
Hmm I've just seen on twitter that now people are sighting a petition demanding that the electors put Hillary in office because she got the popular vote.
Hmm I've just seen on twitter that now people are sighting a petition demanding that the electors put Hillary in office because she got the popular vote.
Yeah I saw that sometime today and it had an absurd amount of votes. If they did something like that though (which I'd never heard of), it would only make things a lot worse. Not only would it set supporters on either side even more against the other, but would turn the govt upside down on itself as I'm sure many of them would not just idlely go along with this decision...
joeysteele
11-11-2016, 09:50 AM
They really would have chaos if they tried to put Hillary in office,even though that is what I would have preferred to see.
They really should, I doubt they will, look at this electoral college votes.
The votes from the individual States for that electoral college are not representing the votes cast by the voters.
A big so called democratic power such as the USA should never have someone as president who didn't get the most votes across the whole country.
That really is ridiculous.
Twice now, with Clinton and also Gore this has happened.
That should not be acceptable anywhere that operates democratic voting.
The UK system is really bad but it is still the case that the party who leads in the voting does usually get to be the govt; or a major part of the govt;
2 exceptions to that in 1951, then also in feb 19974 when Labour became a minority govt with slightly less votes than the Conservatives but held firmly to account by the other parties in Westminster.
However this man in the USA, has been given a resounding mandate from the electoral college while getting less votes overall.
Something is wrong with the way the electoral college votes are set up and distributed for that to be able to happen.
In a country like the USA,seen as a democratic superpower, this is and should be, totally unacceptable.
I say good luck to all protesters who would want to try to get that changed and anyone who wants it changed should be making as much noise as they can about doing so.
arista
11-11-2016, 10:30 AM
[They really would have chaos f they tried to put Hillary in office,even though that is what I would have preferred to see.
They really should, I doubt they will, look at this electoral college votes.]
Joey do not get me Angry
go back in time Al gore vs GW Bush
Gore get higher numbers of vote
but GW Bush got the TOTAL tally.
like Farage got 4 million voters
but One MP
Do You now understand
I am not attacking you , its sad you post less now
we are in charge of the World
can you hear me LT.
I was in California in June 2001
a guy walking past outside the Studio
i asked is GW bush gonna be good
to my Shock he said yes I like him?
thats before 9/11.
I hate GW BUSH after 9/11
Its a Busy Night
Crimson Dynamo
11-11-2016, 10:38 AM
Yes, to change the voting system in the USA you really will have to alter the constitution, and that aint happening.
The best way to affect change is to get the people who dont vote, to vote
simple as
arista
11-11-2016, 10:50 AM
Yes, to change the voting system in the USA you really will have to alter the constitution, and that aint happening.
The best way to affect change is to get the people who dont vote, to vote
simple as
Yes like our near dead House Of LORDS
we can not stop them
joeysteele
11-11-2016, 10:55 AM
[They really would have chaos f they tried to put Hillary in office,even though that is what I would have preferred to see.
They really should, I doubt they will, look at this electoral college votes.]
Joey do not get me Angry
go back in time Al gore vs GW Bush
Gore get higher numbers of vote
but GW Bush got the TOTAL tally.
like Farage got 4 million voters
but One MP
Do You Know understand
I am not attacking you , its sad you post less now
we are in charge of the World
can you hear me LT.
I was in California in June 2001
a guy walking past outside the Studio
i asked is GW bush gonna be good
to my Shock he said yes I like him?
thats before 9/11.
I hate GW BUSH after 9/11
Its a Busy Night
Not sure what your point is arista and I honestly couldn't care if I make you angry, I will say what I think.
I still say strongly, it is ridiculous to have a system where the leader of any powerful Nation that is deemed democratic,can come to power and not have got the most votes in an election nationwide.
You mention, as I did, Al Gore and Bush, well look what happened there when that came about.
Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable.
That resulted too in getting a President in Bush, who was determined to finish the job his Father started in Iraq.
I doubt no good will come from it happening again this time either.
Odd you mention UKIP, you are from what I have read over the years anyway, a seemingly strong advocate of the UKs current electoral system.
That system is the reason UKIP got so many votes and yet only a single MP elected to Parliament.
I do not like UKIP, I do however believe in fairness which is why I now would like to see a PR system in the UK, where people really know when they are voting, that their vote will carry real weight and not be lost.
As it is even moreso now,when a party can get just over a third of votes cast but get an overall majority to do what they like afterwards.
Equally unacceptable to me that is.
I agree totally that it was shocking for so many voting UKIP to only see one MP elected to Parliament from their efforts and votes.
That to me is wrong and what a slap in the face to those voters that really is in a so called democracy.
Yet we dare wonder and question why so many do not vote in the UK.
There is however only one party that will block any way it can and never ever come round to changing our voting system, and that is the Conservative party.
kirklancaster
11-11-2016, 11:34 AM
Not sure what your point is arista and I honestly couldn't care if I make you angry, I will say what I think.
I still say strongly, it is ridiculous to have a system where the leader of any powerful Nation that is deemed democratic,can come to power and not have got the most votes in an election nationwide.
You mention, as I did, Al Gore and Bush, well look what happened there when that came about.
Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable.
That resulted too in getting a President in Bush, who was determined to finish the job his Father started in Iraq.
I doubt no good will come from it happening again this time either.
Odd you mention UKIP, you are from what I have read over the years anyway, a seemingly strong advocate of the UKs current electoral system.
That system is the reason UKIP got so many votes and yet only a single MP elected to Parliament.
I do not like UKIP, I do however believe in fairness which is why I now would like to see a PR system in the UK, where people really know when they are voting, that their vote will carry real weight and not be lost.
As it is even moreso now,when a party can get just over a third of votes cast but get an overall majority to do what they like afterwards.
Equally unacceptable to me that is.
I agree totally that it was shocking for so many voting UKIP to only see one MP elected to Parliament from their efforts and votes.
That to me is wrong and what a slap in the face to those voters that really is in a so called democracy.
Yet we dare wonder and question why so many do not vote in the UK.
There is however only one party that will block any way it can and never ever come round to changing our voting system, and that is the Conservative party.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Go Joey. Whup that Green Giant's ass - Show him the real power of the LEFT followed by a RIGHT CROSS. :laugh:
Just joking Arista. :hee:
Seriously Joey, I agree with your fair and balanced post, and though I am personally against these type of protests, as long as they ARE law abiding, well, to hell with it, let them protest.
SharkAttack
11-11-2016, 11:35 AM
...no Arista, bang on wrong...Trump was the 'protest vote' and a protest that had the majority so it's bang on wrong to think these protests shouldn't happen when protest has been such the thing.../I mean the irony...this as with Brexit was always going to be such a vote either way that people had no 'middle ground' thoughts, it was more either all for or all against so inevitably going to create unrest and that would have been either way with the result...had it been Hilary who had won and people were protesting against corruption in the White House with her reign..?..you can bet your bunker baby that you wouldn't be saying bang on right...
...it's so much that we're being told that things like Brexit (for Some) and Trump's vote (for some) are partly because of people feeling unable to voice/feeling restricted in their voice with the old PCs...that's being factored in a bit...so then it's thought wrong to have a voice in protest, that voice is being told to hush up because it's pointless...?...so the democratic right is now trying to quash the democratic right because it wasn't happy enough for them and didn't get there victory pancake breakfast and say hoooorahhh... dancing in the streets would have been fine and dandy maybe but protesting is a no....
...(so long as it's peaceful and doesn't lead to rioting/violence etc..)...then let them have their voice, let them have their protest because it's only fair and right as Trump has had his protest voice in these results../let it all be fair and let people speak if they feel the need to because if it's feeling that people can't speak, have felt unable to that have been part of results for these things..?../then it's bang on wrong to say they shouldn't happen....
...we shouldn't expect to have results and acknowledgements for the protest vote and not expect possible protests against...large amounts of people need their voices heard, whether it be deemed pointless or not when it's so often been said that, that's been partly a problem in the first place, the feeling of having no voice...
THIS :hug:
kirklancaster
11-11-2016, 11:35 AM
Yes, to change the voting system in the USA you really will have to alter the constitution, and that aint happening.
The best way to affect change is to get the people who dont vote, to vote
simple as
:clap1::clap1::clap1: Unfortunately - this is so true LT.
arista
11-11-2016, 12:09 PM
"Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable."
Its Fecking history now Joey
and the LAW
You can not change their rules
they would attack us
do you now understand
I love Joey
saying he does care if he makes me Angry.
We must Go for a Lunch Joey
http://nybdays.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lobster-dinner.jpg
arista
11-11-2016, 12:14 PM
"Go Joey. Whup that Green Giant's ass - Show him the real power of the LEFT followed by a RIGHT CROSS"
No Kirk
I love Corbyn
he is Real Labour
like it was etc
joeysteele
11-11-2016, 12:31 PM
"Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable."
Its Fecking history now Joey
and the LAW
You can not change their rules
they would attack us
do you now understand
I love Joey
saying he does care if he makes me Angry.
We must Go for a Lunch Joey
http://nybdays.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lobster-dinner.jpg
It is their law and I think it needs changing just as ours does too as the electoral system.
Hopefully more will protest about how people vote and get the change needed too.
Which I would support all the way.
I think you misread my post :joker: as to me saying I care or couldn't care about making you angry but you are arista a one off.:joker:
One day I would love lunch,not crazy about lobster though,would you be paying? and would I need earplugs.
Probably the cafe/restuarant would be cleared once we got going.
arista
11-11-2016, 12:39 PM
It is their law and I think it needs changing just as ours does too as the electoral system.
Hopefully more will protest about how people vote and get the change needed too.
Which I would support all the way.
I think you misread my post :joker: as to me saying I care or couldn't care about making you angry but you are arista a one off.:joker:
One day I would love lunch,not crazy about lobster though,would you be paying? and would I need earplugs.
Probably the cafe/restuarant would be cleared once we got going.
Yes my PA is a Doctor in some Philosophy thing
she is paying for us all.
Its all research
What Food do you Like
Joey?
joeysteele
11-11-2016, 03:36 PM
Yes my PA is a Doctor in some Philosophy thing
she is paying for us all.
Its all research
What Food do you Like
Joey?
Sounds interesting arista.
I am easy going on food really,I do not eat a lot of meat but will try anything once.
I prefer what I call proper roast dinners however and outside of that it would be Chinese dishes or Italian in the main. :joker:
Anyway keeping to the topic here, I hope the protesters get their frustrations out and it seems now today, even Trump has moderated his thoughts on them.
He doesn't appear to be very consistent in his thinking or what he says to me.
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 05:52 AM
I do wish that Hillary would stop sending her paid mob over to my house when one is trying to get some shut eye. The contest is over Hillary love, you lost. :hee:
..behave yourself Johnny..:laugh:..let her supporters/voters blow off steam a bit, it's been pretty gruelling and so far it's been very peaceful..USA Trump voters have four years to celebrate their victory..(or regret the day they put their tick next to Trump...:laugh:...)...let others show their disappointment/sorrow and have a few moments in time to have their voice...would Trump not want that and approve that with his generosity of heart and gracefulness...(or something like that last bit..:laugh:..)...
arista
12-11-2016, 06:29 AM
I do wish that Hillary would stop sending her paid mob over to my house when one is trying to get some shut eye. The contest is over Hillary love, you lost. :hee:
Johnny change the Trump Suck thing
Go back to Farage Laughing
Feck Sack I am on a 32" HD 1080p
LG Monitor.
Please Return to Happy Farage
bugger
arista
12-11-2016, 06:30 AM
"behave yourself Johnny."
He like a Little Strong Terrier Dog
He will not back down??????
arista
12-11-2016, 06:39 AM
"I am easy going on food really,I do not eat a lot of meat but will try anything once.
I prefer what I call proper roast dinners however and outside of that it would be Chinese dishes or Italian in the main"
Sent to my PA
who is having One Day Off
from me
JOEY
Roast Dinners we all Love.
I will not Drink,myself ,
My PA may, and you are Free to order whatever
you like
Feel The Force
...well she lost Arista so all of those citizens that felt as though she would be so bad for their country and was such an awful person, won't have to ever have her as their president, so all's cool...let her go and let her lick her wounds.../there's no point in crying sour grapes or any such thing if she and her voters../the anti Trumps are going to feel stifled right now in their voice and aren't even going to be allowed that to help them come to terms etc...and kick off a bit of peaceful steam...
"I am easy going on food really,I do not eat a lot of meat but will try anything once.
I prefer what I call proper roast dinners however and outside of that it would be Chinese dishes or Italian in the main"
Sent to my PA
who is have One Day Off
from me
Roast Dinners we all Love.
I will not Drink,
My PA may and you are Free to order whatever
you like
Feel The Force
...oooo get you with your PA...:laugh:.../feel that PA force, utter bliss...
arista
12-11-2016, 06:49 AM
...oooo get you with your PA...:laugh:.../feel that PA force, utter bliss...
I am not happy about Days Off
but people must live
Ammi
arista
12-11-2016, 06:53 AM
"let her go and let her lick her wounds"
Not that Simple
Barrack is trying to get her a Pardon.
Trump although the President
and Very Busy. (on 20th Jan 2017)
Has a separate team
talking to the FBI , of the record like.
I am not happy about Days Off
but people must live
Ammi
..yeah until we all have robot PA's, I reckon a day off will just have to be figured in for living, Arista...speaking of technology I have to close down for a minute, my laptop is telling me to restart../even technology has times off and has to live a bit as well...
arista
12-11-2016, 07:21 AM
"yeah until we all have robot PA's"
I have Pre-Ordered
5 ,
If one falls out a window
I have number 2 ready.
if another Upsets me
and I punch it
I have Number 3 ready etc
You Get me
Ammi Wise Teacher
I must get in your School
and show kids that Free Market
Conservative is Cool
I can GIVE FREE to every Every Child
a Pen that has a Flashing Color
on it top that reflects there mood
And how a Massive Wall
is a wonderful Project
now 200,000 workers over 8 years
UTTER BLISS
"yeah until we all have robot PA's"
I have Pre-Ordered
5 ,
If one falls out a window
I have number 2 ready.
if another Upsets me
and I punch it
I have Number 3 ready etc
You Get me
Ammi Wise Teacher
I must get in your School
and show kids that Free Market
Conservative is Cool
I can GIVE FREE to every Every Child
a Pen that has a Flashing Color
on it top that reflects there mood
And how a Massive Wall
is a wonderful Project
now 200,000 workers over 8 years
UTTER BLISS
..oh you're a little ocean of emotion, Arista...I reckon those pre-ordered robot PAs are quite expensive...(even though I know you will have done a good deal etc..)...but it wouldn't be most wise to let your emotions get the better and punch one so you have to activate number 3 with number 2 not reaching its potential.../you're a businessman Arista, you know that doesn't make sense, you have to try to calm your emotions a little.../but then that's you, one big fuzzy old emotional bear...:love:..
arista
12-11-2016, 08:01 AM
"but it wouldn't be most wise to let your emotions get the better and punch one "
Of course Ammi
but I have Back UP
CEO's can Punch
though
King Rich' Desmond
who Sold CH5HD to VIACOM USA (Massive Profit)
had a Drum Kit in his Office
I may try that.
jennyjuniper
12-11-2016, 08:01 AM
Spot on Armand. It isn't just the US though is it, unfortunately? It seems now that in every Country, some citizens have no intention of abiding with Democratic decisions which they do not align with, and are willing to resort to all levels of anti-social behavior to vent their anger and try to disrupt law and order in an attempt to intimidate the vast majority who do embrace democracy.
They should never be tolerated, and those guilty should be seriously dealt with by the Government before Anarchy ensues - as it surely eventually will, if apathy and lethargy on the part of the authorities fortify their courage and increase their bravado.
These nut jobs remind me of their equally nutty comrades in the US (and other places I believe) who call themselves 'Sovereign citizens'. They think it's acceptable to have all the benefits and rights of US citizens, without having to abide by any of the laws!!!!!!!!!:shrug:: Morning Kirk.:hee:
"but it wouldn't be most wise to let your emotions get the better and punch one "
Of course Ammi
but I have Back UP
CEO's can Punch
though
King Rich' Desmond
who Sold CH5HD to VIACOM USA (Massive Profit)
had a Drum Kit in his Office
I may try that.
..it would be better to punch something a little less expensive though, you know that makes sense and no sense at all to punch and de-activate something that has cost you so much money, you're a businessman Arista and I know that you know that there is no place for punching/emotion in business...I think that's number 1 in the rule book...I mean when you were up and coming and rising to the top of your business and becoming that CEO and you were tucking into those pies etc for your dinner after an exhausting day of rising to the top-ness...you had paid good and hard earned cash for those pies so how would it be if you had started punching them off the plate just because you had another pie in the fridge and that one on your plate was replaceable.../..you may never have made it to the top with all of your replacement pie purchases and etc.../think business and not emotion Arista and don't lay your hands on your robots in anger...
..oh by the by and completely off topic but I'm going to start TiBB Secret Santa soon.../and yes I know it's only November but don't nag because the John Lewis ad has aired plus it's good to give people lots of thinking and buying time etc.../anyways I also know that you don't do Christmas so don't grump about that and for goodness sake you KNOW Ammi and feck off...but as it's been the year of the new and the year of the change and you feel those changes are good../change is needed etc...would you do Secret Santa on TiBB this year...?...you have access to fairly much everything in the world so your gift would be tremendous and make someone's year and their Christmas../plus everyone would throw money at me to have you as their Secret Santa and to make sure that happened so I would be rich as well../a win/win for everyone really and you could make that happen....you could make a beautiful year for someone and turn it into the best year ever...
arista
12-11-2016, 08:26 AM
"you're a businessman Arista and I know that you know that there is no place for punching/emotion in business...I think that's number 1 in the rule book."
Ammi - don't mother ME
And on XMAS its Banned in My Office
its great for children
LT has to do it for his Lad, for example.
Life In The City
..it's not banned on the forum though../..you have to learn to separate the office to TiBB and your online community/family Arista...the office is no place for Christmas...?.../we are a place for Christmas and our Christmas Secret Santa would be so much more enhanced with you in it..(plus your really amazing gift with your extensive connections..)...should I put you down as a feck off, then..?.../or a maybe I'll think about it and yes maybe I just will this time as I have lots to celebrate this year...
arista
12-11-2016, 08:51 AM
Yes AMMI
Office is Work Place
Not Home
I thank You
arista
12-11-2016, 08:54 AM
We have Celebrations
I Jumped in the AIR when
I found out early well before BBC or fox
that trump Won.
But XMAS is banned in MY Office
We have Celebrations
I Jumped in the AIR when
I found out early well before BBC or fox
that trump Won.
But XMAS is banned in MY Office
..you little excitable devil you.../definitely a deep ocean of emotion you are sir...but I'll put you down as a yes for TiBB Secret Santa as this isn't your office, this is your online family Arista...
joeysteele
12-11-2016, 10:19 AM
There is not likely going to be much to protest about if Donald keeps going the way he is, he is now backtracking on Obamacare it appears too.
He has changed his whole tone towards Hillary Clinton and even as to the people protesting.
I am now waiting to hear that he intends to look at backtracking on the trade aspects of his campaign now.
When you think you have no real chance of ever doing a job, you can fire criticism and all else at it, saying what you like,promising the earth, also then attacking those doing it at the time.
Once someone by a massive shock suddenly find themselves going into that job, reality then kicks in and they see the enormity of the task and how unprepared they really are for it, I think this may well be what now is happening with Donald Trump.
THIS :hug:
....awww you, I've just seen this..(..I miss you..)...:hug:...how has it all been for you over there../...the whole process, exhausting stuff eh..?...
arista
12-11-2016, 10:42 AM
Joey Live Now
Ch4HDnews Matt Frei on LBC
Top People talking
Get Updated you LOT
arista
12-11-2016, 10:45 AM
"He has changed his
whole tone towards
Hillary Clinton and
even as to the people protesting."
We are Now at front of the Que on TRADE - joey
Feck the Former Evil President
Chucking us at the back
Ref: angry fella on QT BBC1HD last thurs.
Crimson Dynamo
12-11-2016, 01:45 PM
Good Arista keep Christmas at home and not in office.
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 05:22 PM
I tend to look at all sides before deciding what to believe in or which side to take on issues.
You can't get anywhere if you go into any kind of debate with blinkers on with your mind already made up before a word is spoken.
Social media keyboard warriors had decided what was going to happen for everyone in the UK regarding brexit and if you didn't agree with them they threw insult after insult at you for wanting out of the EU.
You were called racists bigots and all the rest of it and them some...
With blinkers firmly on, glued on some might say? these keyboard warriors completely refused to believe that there was a possibility of the UK leaving the EU.
I predicted that we would leave the EU long before the vote took place, I also predicted Donald Trump would win whilst being shot down in flames on social media by the same warriors who again refused to believe that the American people would never EVER vote in their millions for Donald Trump. (add insulting racist bigoted slurs here).
The mere mention of his name inflamed them.
This is exactly what happens when you are not open to hearing the truth. Some say...But the truth hurts...well yes it can...but it can also set you free if you allow it.
I'd rather know the truth because life is much easier all round when i know it.
Many people got both situations completely wrong, This really confuses me because....
how is this even possible in this day and age with the internet giving you access to all sorts of information? Again it all comes back to...... Blinkers on,minds were closed and because of that approach you learn absolutely nothing, at best all you get from ranting on about what could have been after democracy has taken place is anger and bitterness for not being able to see what was staring you right in the face that those with open minds could clearly see.
Crimson Dynamo
12-11-2016, 05:27 PM
Yep Johnny you called both
:clap1:
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 05:29 PM
Yep Johnny you called both
:clap1:
And now i own Obama too! :hee: He better hoover up before i move in, the place is in a right state.:nono:
the truth
12-11-2016, 06:06 PM
Typical left wing violent anti-democratic riot. bunch of hypocrites
Northern Monkey
12-11-2016, 06:17 PM
I tend to look at all sides before deciding what to believe in or which side to take on issues.
You can't get anywhere if you go into any kind of debate with blinkers on with your mind already made up before a word is spoken.
Social media keyboard warriors had decided what was going to happen for everyone in the UK regarding brexit and if you didn't agree with them they threw insult after insult at you for wanting out of the EU.
You were called racists bigots and all the rest of it and them some...
With blinkers firmly on, glued on some might say? these keyboard warriors completely refused to believe that there was a possibility of the UK leaving the EU.
I predicted that we would leave the EU long before the vote took place, I also predicted Donald Trump would win whilst being shot down in flames on social media by the same warriors who again refused to believe that the American people would never EVER vote in their millions for Donald Trump. (add insulting racist bigoted slurs here).
The mere mention of his name inflamed them.
This is exactly what happens when you are not open to hearing the truth. Some say...But the truth hurts...well yes it can...but it can also set you free if you allow it.
I'd rather know the truth because life is much easier all round when i know it.
Many people got both situations completely wrong, This really confuses me because....
how is this even possible in this day and age with the internet giving you access to all sorts of information? Again it all comes back to...... Blinkers on,minds were closed and because of that approach you learn absolutely nothing, at best all you get from ranting on about what could have been after democracy has taken place is anger and bitterness for not being able to see what was staring you right in the face that those with open minds could clearly see.I have to admit.I predicted both wrong because the establishment usually wins.In both cases it didn't which was a surprise to me.
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 06:26 PM
I have to admit.I predicted both wrong because the establishment usually wins.In both cases it didn't which was a surprise to me.
I think it's an exciting time to be alive, the world is changing (now hopefully for the better and fairer for everyone)
Donald's going to have dinner and a chat with Putin to get back on friendly terms. Teresa May is out working hard to get the UK great new trade deals.
It's a great time to be alive.:wavey:
the truth
12-11-2016, 06:28 PM
yep its exciting in many ways....we at least have a chance of change outside of the corporate cartel/washington elite
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 06:38 PM
yep its exciting in many ways....we at least have a chance of change outside of the corporate cartel/washington elite
It is exciting!
I think that these riots and also what happened with brexit brought out the worst in people. And that is not to say that they are bad people.
Change is what i would say caused it. A lot of people don't like change, i understand that but i'm also aware that without change we get nowhere,
so change for me is something crucial that we all need to embrace fully because it's a big part of life regardless of any political stance that anyone might have.
Northern Monkey
12-11-2016, 06:45 PM
It is exciting!
I think that these riots and also what happened with brexit brought out the worst in people. And that is not to say that they are bad people.
Change is what i would say caused it. A lot of people don't like change, i understand that but i'm also aware that without change we get nowhere,
so change for me is something crucial that we all need to embrace fully because it's a big part of life regardless of any political stance that anyone might have.
I agree although you wouldn't think so with all the doom and gloomers trying to depress us all.
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 06:57 PM
I agree although you wouldn't think so with all the doom and gloomers trying to depress us all.
I just ignore it all. Negativity doesn't help anyone or anything if were honest, but if it makes them happy i say go for it. Do you remember that movie Frozen? In it there is this wonderful song that she sings. I sing that when i come across all the negative stuff. It's fun.:wavey:
empire
12-11-2016, 07:37 PM
let me point this out, the liberal left only want democracy to work in there favour, there rules, there ways and they want the laws to work in there favour, trump was elected in the most democratically fair way as possible, and it was the same system that got obama elected, you have teachers, lecturers, and politicians, who pretty much spoon feed it to them, and tell them that fair elections are only fair elections if we win, if we lose, you must stop that person from being made leader of this country if that means being like thugs, we have a genaration of snowflakes, who act like five year olds, and the rightwingers are laughing their heads off about it.
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 07:52 PM
let me point this out, the liberal left only want democracy to work in there favour, there rules, there ways and they want the laws to work in there favour, trump was elected in the most democratically fair way as possible, and it was the same system that got obama elected, you have teachers, lecturers, and politicians, who pretty much spoon feed it to them, and tell them that fair elections are only fair elections if we win, if we lose, you must stop that person from being made leader of this country if that means being like thugs, we have a genaration of snowflakes, who act like five year olds, and the rightwingers are laughing their heads off about it.
I enjoyed reading that! Good post! :thumbs:
empire
12-11-2016, 08:13 PM
did you see the hillary supporters cry when the minute she lost the election, they treat this woman as if she is more of a god than a human being, I bet trump and putin and even farage are on their computers, and going on youtube and are just laughing their heads off at them.
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 08:19 PM
did you see the hillary supporters cry when the minute she lost the election, they treat this woman as if she is more of a god than a human being, I bet trump and putin and even farage are on their computers, and going on youtube and are just laughing their heads off at them.
go to youtube and type...
John Lewis advert with hillary clinton. You will love it. :joker:
empire
12-11-2016, 08:27 PM
I laughed so hard I sounded like jeff daniels from dumb and dumber, funny advert,
Northern Monkey
12-11-2016, 08:47 PM
I just ignore it all. Negativity doesn't help anyone or anything if were honest, but if it makes them happy i say go for it. Do you remember that movie Frozen? In it there is this wonderful song that she sings. I sing that when i come across all the negative stuff. It's fun.:wavey:
:laugh:
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 09:16 PM
I laughed so hard I sounded like jeff daniels from dumb and dumber, funny advert,
That spoof John Lewis advert is actually better than the original!:joker::joker::joker:
Johnnyuk123
12-11-2016, 09:16 PM
:laugh:
Let it go let it go!!!:joker::joker::joker:
arista
12-11-2016, 09:48 PM
did you see the hillary supporters cry when the minute she lost the election, they treat this woman as if she is more of a god than a human being, I bet trump and putin and even farage are on their computers, and going on youtube and are just laughing their heads off at them.
yes empire
Its GOOD TO CRY
Feel The Force
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