The Ku Klux Klan

[Cherie]

Endorse some of Trumps hard line appointments D:

[Smithy]

omg breaking newz!!

[Shaun]

But don't worry Cherie, nothing about Trump or his support is racist.

[Cherie]

I did think he might modify his stance :bored:

[Cherie]

omg breaking newz!!

I didn't follow the US election particularly so yes it is breaking news for me

[Denver]

Queens

[Denver]

joke

[Kizzy]

I didn't follow the US election particularly so yes it is breaking news for me

Didn't follow it?... It's dominated the news, tv and the forum for months! It's been impossible NOT to follow it :/


I'm waiting for Charlie Brooker to write the ending to this years political feckfest :laugh:

[Maru]

Endorse some of Trumps hard line appointments D:

They also endorse Trump :laugh:

[arista]

Endorse some of Trumps hard line appointments D:

So what.

He did not ask them


Its DEMOCRACY

[arista]

I didn't follow the US election particularly so yes it is breaking news for me

How Nice

[arista]

But don't worry Cherie, nothing about Trump or his support is racist.

The Irony

[Liberty4eva]

Endorse some of Trumps hard line appointments D:

I think Trump is making good appointments. People should base their judgement on their own individual merits and not who likes them or doesn't like them. This is the first time in my life that I actually am proud of the president. We have had a string of really bad US presidents and Trump is a breath of fresh air. :smug:

[MB.]

Personally I'd say he's less of a breath of fresh air and more of a nice squirt of sulphur dioxide

[arista]

Personally I'd say he's less of a breath of fresh air and more of a nice squirt of sulphur dioxide

The Irony.

I was in LA
in 2001 June
outside the studio
I asked a Fella walking past
what he thought
of GW Bush
he said "he liked him"

Of course later that year was 9/11
it all changed in USA
never the same


sorry for those that read this on another thread.

[Jack_]

I'm waiting for Charlie Brooker to write the ending to this years political feckfest :laugh:

Frankie Boyle's already done that

_rGcDj9y_YU

[arista]

Jack was this on already? was it BBC4 or BBC2?

[Jack_]

It's an iPlayer exclusive (as his other Election Autopsies have been) but I think it's on BBC2 at the weekend?

It's a good watch anyway

[arista]

Yes I get it
Edited version BBC2HD Sunday 10:30PM 20/11/16
a thread needs to be made if you have time.

I will record that
for DVD-R edits for China Education

[kirklancaster]

It is long overdue for the 'Freedom of Speech' laws in America to be amended, to allow this vile, totally evil and anachronistic organisation to be outlawed.

There should also be new laws drafted which allow the US Law Courts to impose the most severe punishments for anyone convicted of being a member of the KKK, or of peddling its warped ideology in public - including the Crusader 'newspaper' - starting with a mandatory short jail sentence for the most minor offences, with the length of sentence increasing accordingly for the more grave or repeat offences.

Just as with Nazi ideology, there really is NO place in a modern, civilised, and enlightened society for such an evil belief system, and there is just no valid reason for any modern, civilised and enlightened society to TOLERATE it or its devotees.

The mere fact that this organisation is still PERMITTED to LAWFULLY exist, is a disgusting insult to the Black community and other races, and all those non-blacks who believe in, and have fought for Racial Equality.

And, while ever it is permitted to exist, demented White Supremacist scum such as David Duke will continue to promote his evil organisation by exploiting the media to gain free publicity.

If a Law is not GOOD law, then it is a Law in need of amending.

[Maru]

It is long overdue for the 'Freedom of Speech' laws in America to be amended, to allow this vile, totally evil and anachronistic organisation to be outlawed.

There should also be new laws drafted which allow the US Law Courts to impose the most severe punishments for anyone convicted of being a member of the KKK, or of peddling ts warped ideology in public - starting with a mandatory short jail sentence for the most minor offences, with the length of sentence increasing accordingly for the more grave or repeat offences.

Just as with Nazi ideology, there really is NO place in a modern, civilised, and enlightened society for such an evil belief system, and there is just no valid reason for any modern, civilised and enlightened society to TOLERATE it or its devotees.

The mere fact that this organisation is still PERMITTED to LAWFULLY exist, is a disgusting insult to the Black community and other races, and all those non-blacks who believe in, and have fought for Racial Equality.

And, while ever it is permitted to exist, demented White Supremacist scum such as David Duke will continue to promote his evil organisation by exploiting the media to gain free publicity.

If a Law is not GOOD law, then it is a Law in need of amending.

I think this is what the hate crime laws were meant to address. Though much of that even generally happens online... which seems difficult to prosecute in the US unless certain motive can be proven... and as we know, very hard to prove motive online, with the stealthiest of trolls.

I'm not sure how these groups still exist... I guess unless the entire org declares war on a protected group, the govt won't act on it... and really what would they accomplish. They can just as easily go silent and seek out the far out vestiges of the internets to make their voices heard... at least we know for sure what they stand for...

[Cherie]

Didn't follow it?... It's dominated the news, tv and the forum for months! It's been impossible NOT to follow it :/


I'm waiting for Charlie Brooker to write the ending to this years political feckfest :laugh:

So? lots of things dominate the news, doesn't mean I have to give them all my full attention, so no Kizzy it's NOT been NOT impossible to follow, I was turned off by the campaign in all honesty by both candidates :/

[arista]

"I was turned off by the campaign in all honesty by both candidates :/ "


Yes Cherie
I hit the Mute
unless it was something New.


The Clinton Woman turned into a Witch
it was Horrid.

Trump was more relaxed.

I am Glad Trump is going to stay for 8 years
that way more Local folks can get Jobs again.

[kirklancaster]

So? lots of things dominate the news, doesn't mean I have to give them all my full attention, so no Kizzy it's NOT been NOT impossible to follow, I was turned off by the campaign in all honesty by both candidates :/

Don't worry Cherie, it may have dominated the media, but there are lots of individuals around who profess to be aware of that fact and to have given all the coverage their attenton, who are still clueless. :laugh:

[Cherie]

"I was turned off by the campaign in all honesty by both candidates :/ "


Yes Cherie
I hit the Mute
unless it was something new.

::clap1:

Don't worry Cherie, it may have dominated the media, but there are lots of individuals around who profess to be aware of that fact and to have given all the coverage their attenton, who are still clueless. :laugh:


So true

[joeysteele]

So what.

He did not ask them


Its DEMOCRACY

While that is true, I think he would look far more credible with a massive condemnation of them of their very existence still and all their past activities.

Sitting back letting them gain any publicity at all does not look good at all.

Certainly an organisation no one should be wanting, getting or accepting the support of in any shape or form, in my view.

[Jamie89]

This still bothers me about him :worry:

e9geYl9J_Mc

[kirklancaster]

While that is true, I think he would look far more credible with a massive condemnation of them of their very existence still and all their past activities.

Sitting back letting them gain any publicity at all does not look good at all.

Certainly an organisation no one should be wanting, getting or accepting the support of in any shape or form, in my view.

Back in March of 2016, Donald Trump repeatedly condemned both David Duke AND the KKK:

Trump denounces David Duke, KKK

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump issued a crystal clear disavowal Thursday of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke after stumbling last weekend over a question about the hate group leader on CNN.

"David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK," Trump added. "Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now."
The uproar started on Sunday when Trump was asked by CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" if he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups supporting his campaign.
"Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump responded.
The next day, Trump blamed a "bad earpiece" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show.

[Saturn]

Endorse some of Trumps hard line appointments D:

I think that you are being a little tabloid in the treatment of the facts here and making a bridge that does not exist. If you read the article below it actually straightens this out and to be quite honest its really a "nothing to see here folks" kind of affair? Whilst I do not like this man its too easy to just throw our hands in the air and level insults and half-truths. Remember anyone can say they support anyone but it may not be a two-way support as it is here.

"The Trump campaign sharply and swiftly criticized the article. "Mr. Trump and the campaign denounces hate in any form," the campaign said in a statement Tuesday evening. "This publication is repulsive and their views do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who are uniting behind our campaign.""


this is the article to which the quote was lifted:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/01/the-kkks-official-newspaper-has-endorsed-donald-trump-for-president/

[Tom4784]

Most of his likely appointments thus far have shady histories when it comes to bigotry, The KKK's support doesn't surprise me.

[jet]

This still bothers me about him :worry:

e9geYl9J_Mc

Yes, me too. Very much so. He claims to know nothing about David Duke, which is an outright lie. He evades the question about the KKK, which is even more worrying. He should be denouncing both loud and clear. It's blatantly obvious he doesn't want to and is wriggling out of doing so regarding both and that is nothing short of horrific!

[jet]

Most of his likely appointments thus far have shady histories when it comes to bigotry, The KKK's support doesn't surprise me.

Agreed. It's not getting any more reassuring, is it? :notimpressed:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trump trying to deflect attention from Trump university lawsuit by going on about what Theatre actors said to Mike Pence. All they did was ask for inclusion.

He's going on about this but yet nothing to say about a group doing a parade in his honour, a group who actually has a history of harassing and killing, but eh, because the Hamilton actors asked for inclusion in reforms, they were harassing. Fook sake I absolutely loathe him.

I read some fortune teller that died correctly guessed 9/11 and Obama in like 1996 and said Obama will be the last US president, leading us to believe something major might happen between now and inauguration...please let it be lawd. Please.

[jaxie]

I'm not a Trump fan but to be fair anyone can choose to support anyone else without the person they are supporting having any say in that or anything to do with them.

I could say I'm a follower of Dezzy, Dezzy might hate that because we have conflicting views but there is nothing he can do about it.

[Tom4784]

I'm not a Trump fan but to be fair anyone can choose to support anyone else without the person they are supporting having any say in that or anything to do with them.

I could say I'm a follower of Dezzy, Dezzy might hate that because we have conflicting views but there is nothing he can do about it.

True but the KKK support along with all the likely candidates for his administration tell a terrifying story. I don't think there's been a single likely candidate that hasn't been involved in bigotry thus far.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm not a Trump fan but to be fair anyone can choose to support anyone else without the person they are supporting having any say in that or anything to do with them.

I could say I'm a follower of Dezzy, Dezzy might hate that because we have conflicting views but there is nothing he can do about it.

Yeah but Dezzy is not a sadistic organisation that's been dormant for years only to announce themselves visibly active again when he's about to bePresident.

For all we know Trump has been liasing with them talmbout, don't worry about it boos, I got you when i'm elect. Where is this new found confidence coming from to be honest. I fear for the everyday people that will go to their doctor not knowing he's going to be jolly, wearing that pound sheet in the weekend or evenings.

[jaxie]

Yeah but Dezzy is not a sadistic organisation that's been dormant for years only to announce themselves visibly active again when he's about to bePresident.

For all we know Trump has been liasing with them talmbout, don't worry about it boos, I got you when i'm elect. Where is this new found confidence coming from to be honest. I fear for the everyday people that will go to their doctor not knowing he's going to be jolly, wearing that pound sheet in the weekend or evenings.

Trump very well might be their best mate but in the interest of fairness there is no proof to that end and you can't really hold someone culpable because someone disreputable decides to like them.

Yeah I just mentioned Dezzy as a fun example not because I think he looks like Donald Trump, :hehe: though in the comparison I gave it was me who might have been likened to the sadistic organisation.

[Ammi]

..I think with Trump and a huge vein of his campaign in the beginning in particular...is that he actively threw racial prejudice and intolerance out there..and once it's out there it's not in his control anymore of how it grows and how it gathers moss and the consequences of that so he can't not take responsibility for 'awakening' something that other presidents have tried to progress from...whatever his views on the KKK, he does have to take some responsibility for their support because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism as well as any other reasons for supporting...he can't just take the good bits of support and dismiss the grim and concerning bits which he has played a part in with a hmmmm, nothing to do with me type thing....this has always been the thing for me, you can't just take things back/the effects and result of, once something is put out there and out of your control once released...

[joeysteele]

..I think with Trump and a huge vein of his campaign in the beginning I particular...is that he actively threw racial prejudice and intolerance out there..and once it's out there it's not in his control anymore of how it grows and how it gathers moss and the consequences of that so he can't not take responsibility an 'awakening' something that other presidents have tried to progress from...whatever his views on the KKK, he does have to take some responsibility for their support because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism as well as any other reasons for supporting...he can't just take the good bits of support and dismiss the grim and concerning bits which he has played a part in with a hmmmm, nothing to do with me type thing....this has always been the thing for me, you can't just take things back/the effects and result of, once something is put out there and out of your control once released...


Totally right again.I agree with all that.

[Saturn]

..I think with Trump and a huge vein of his campaign in the beginning in particular...is that he actively threw racial prejudice and intolerance out there..and once it's out there it's not in his control anymore of how it grows and how it gathers moss and the consequences of that so he can't not take responsibility for 'awakening' something that other presidents have tried to progress from...whatever his views on the KKK, he does have to take some responsibility for their support because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism as well as any other reasons for supporting...he can't just take the good bits of support and dismiss the grim and concerning bits which he has played a part in with a hmmmm, nothing to do with me type thing....this has always been the thing for me, you can't just take things back/the effects and result of, once something is put out there and out of your control once released...

"because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism"


How do you know this to be a true fact or are you just surmising because if you are surmising that is not a nice thing to do?

[Tom4784]

"because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism"


How do you know this to be a true fact or are you just surmising because if you are surmising that is not a nice thing to do?

He literally only came to prominence in the race for the republican nomination because of his racist views. It's only common sense that he, a Reality TV star, would know how to market himself to a particular audience. He chose the extreme right and ran with it.

[Northern Monkey]

Back in March of 2016, Donald Trump repeatedly condemned both David Duke AND the KKK:

Trump denounces David Duke, KKK

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump issued a crystal clear disavowal Thursday of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke after stumbling last weekend over a question about the hate group leader on CNN.

"David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK," Trump added. "Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now."
The uproar started on Sunday when Trump was asked by CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" if he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups supporting his campaign.
"Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump responded.
The next day, Trump blamed a "bad earpiece" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show.
Well.That settles that then.He disavowed them.Numerous times.

[Saturn]

He literally only came to prominence in the race for the republican nomination because of his racist views. It's only common sense that he, a Reality TV star, would know how to market himself to a particular audience. He chose the extreme right and ran with it.

But you and the other black and white lady are just surmising and that is my point in this matter and then selling it off as factual information?

[Tom4784]

But you and the other black and white lady are just surmising and that is my point in this matter and then selling it off as factual information?

It's called analysing the situation.

Trump only got the nomination because of his views, this is proven by the fact that his support and odds drifted during the election any time he tried to backtrack on those views or be more moderate in his approach.

[Saturn]

It's called analysing the situation.

Trump only got the nomination because of his views, this is proven by the fact that his support and odds drifted during the election any time he tried to backtrack on those views or be more moderate in his approach.

Well I would call it making things up but that is my opinion on this matter and im not saying anymore?

[Tom4784]

Well I would call it making things up but that is my opinion on this matter and im not saying anymore?

Then you don't understand what a debate is.

If you disagree with what someone has said then it's down to you to prove their logic wrong. you can't just demand proof and then throw a fit when things don't go your way.

[jaxie]

Then you don't understand what a debate is.

If you disagree with what someone has said then it's down to you to prove their logic wrong. you can't just demand proof and then throw a fit when things don't go your way.

Dictionary doesn't say anything about having to prove you wrong. :shrug: The idea is for each side to give their arguments and back them up accordingly or not. The burden of proof isn't on someone else to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you to prove you are right.

Am thinking it isn't Saturn who doesn't know what a debate is.

debate
dɪˈbeɪt/Submit
noun
1.
a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote.
"last night's debate on the Education Bill"
synonyms: discussion, exchange of views, discourse, parley; More
verb
1.
argue about (a subject), especially in a formal manner.
"MPs debated the issue in the Commons"
synonyms: discuss, confer about, talk over, talk through, talk about, exchange views on, exchange views about, thrash out, argue, argue about, argue the pros and cons of, dispute, wrangle over, bandy words concerning, contend over, contest, controvert, moot; More

[Saturn]

Then you don't understand what a debate is.

If you disagree with what someone has said then it's down to you to prove their logic wrong. you can't just demand proof and then throw a fit when things don't go your way.

Why are you saying that I am "throwing a fit" just because I said that you were presenting surmisation as fact, that is mean?

[Tom4784]

Why are you saying that I am "throwing a fit" just because I said that you were presenting surmisation as fact, that is mean?

I said you were throwing a fit because you said ended the post with 'I'm not saying anymore' which very much sounds like you taking the ball and going home.

If someone makes a statement I disagree with, I'll research it and prove them wrong, I expect everyone else to do the same. Demanding proof is just a lazy out, find the proof and attempt to prove me wrong.

Trump came to prominence because he wanted to build a wall, he called Mexicans rapists and he wanted to ban Muslims from the US. That's what got him the Republican nomination. If he was more moderate he would not have gotten the nod. Look at any time his support dipped and I'd bet money that it coincided with occasions where he tried to backtrack on his earlier campaign promises.

He got the white house because of an ignorant anti-establishment vote but he wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it weren't for the bigoted core demographic he courted early on with the Republican race.

[Saturn]

Can I also tell the lady that made this debate thread that it is the Ku Klux Klan and not Klu as that for some reason is a common error in the spelling.

[Saturn]

I said you were throwing a fit because you said ended the post with 'I'm not saying anymore' which very much sounds like you taking the ball and going home.

If someone makes a statement I disagree with, I'll research it and prove them wrong, I expect everyone else to do the same. Demanding proof is just a lazy out, find the proof and attempt to prove me wrong.

Trump came to prominence because he wanted to build a wall, he called Mexicans rapists and he wanted to ban Muslims from the US. That's what got him the Republican nomination. If he was more moderate he would not have gotten the nod. Look at any time his support dipped and I'd bet money that it coincided with occasions where he tried to backtrack on his earlier campaign promises.

He got the white house because of an ignorant anti-establishment vote but he wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it weren't for the bigoted core demographic he courted early on with the Republican race.

My advice to you in this thread would to avoid making statements that you cannot back up and then the whole issue will be avoided, that would be far easier and the debate would flow smoother for you and for the other people in this discussion? No one surely has time to research all the claims that you make? Thankyou for understanding this.

[kirklancaster]

Well.That settles that then.He disavowed them.Numerous times.

:laugh: Facts, especially checkable facts Paul, SHOULD indeed settle arguments - But this is TIBB. :hee:

[Brillopad]

My advice to you in this thread would to avoid making statements that you cannot back up and then the whole issue will be avoided, that would be far easier and the debate would flow smoother for you and for the other people in this discussion? No one surely has time to research all the claims that you make? Thankyou for understanding this.

Well said.

[Tom4784]

My advice to you in this thread would to avoid making statements that you cannot back up and then the whole issue will be avoided, that would be far easier and the debate would flow smoother for you and for the other people in this discussion? No one surely has time to research all the claims that you make? Thankyou for understanding this.

It's down to you to counter what I've said if you disagree.

[Northern Monkey]

:laugh: Facts, especially checkable facts Paul, SHOULD indeed settle arguments - But this is TIBB. :hee:

Well why let facts get in the way of a good debate(slagging match) eh?:laugh:

[Tom4784]

Do you guys have anything to actually add apart from jibes at my expense or are you just going to keep patting each others' backs?

Like I said before, if what I've said isn't factual then prove me wrong, it shouldn't be difficult if what you say is true.

[joeysteele]

Facts can be used to anyone's own agenda at times selectively.

We have on here, a few words he has said and that he has said those words many times, he says.

Well words are cheap,what has he done ad campaigned for to get this vile organisation out of existence for good.
Where are those facts?

he is backtracking a lot on things he said in the campaign, however his perceived racist rhetoric in this campaign for President is what has helped bring this filthy vile organisation back into the glare of publicity again.

They are holding a celebration, in part as to his victory,where has he said they must not use his name or attach anything to him as to their vile celebrations.
Where are the facts he intends to do that?

Leaders and politicians say many things in public that are just words,what facts are there as to what he says and thinks of this organisation in private.

Actions speak louder than words, he can say anything in public or an interview but who has the facts, real facts of what he really is thinking.
Therein lies a different story.

However, for me, going off some of his poison he chose freely to spout out in the election campaign, people have every right to be, and remain, suspicious of his real thoughts as to organisations like the KKK.

[Kizzy]

Fact's in a post fact era?... Experts?...pfffft.

#imwithmilo