New five pound note: Not suitable for vegetarians

[LukeB]

I didn't know if this is a thread or not,can't see it anywhere

The UK's new fiver has won many fans since it was launched in September.
It's tough. It doesn't tear. You can spill beer on it, put it through the washing machine and it will survive to buy another round.
But one thing it turns out it's not, is fat-free.
Because it turns out the plastic polymer it's made from also contains small amounts of tallow, derived from animal waste products - and some vegetarians are not happy.
Familiar to previous generations as the base for every day staples such as soap and candles, tallow is traditionally derived from beef or mutton (but sometimes pork) at the slaughterhouse or later in the food production process.
'Essence of bacon'
Vegans and vegetarians faced with this revelation have taken to social media to voice their concern and over 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for the contents of the notes to be changed.
"We demand that you cease to use animal products in the production of currency that we have to use," the petition reads.
On Twitter annoyed vegetarians and vegans have said it's "not cool" and "disgusting" and asking whether their rights have been considered.
However others have responded with rather more tongue-in-cheek approach, suggesting an "essence of bacon" is desirable in the UK's currency, speculating how many calories a fiver now contains and offering to relieve any affronted vegetarians of their unwanted notes.

The Bank of England so far has adopted a sanguine approach to the furore: "We can confirm that the polymer pellet from which the base substrate is made contains a trace of a substance known as tallow," it said in a statement.
But, so far, it has no plans to draw up a new recipe.


:umm2:

banks should have revealed this way before they release them because it's pretty unfair on vegetarians/vegans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[caprimint]

I never liked the new notes anyway :idc:

[Alf]

Thanks for telling me, I was just gonna have a plate full for my tea.

[LukeB]

I never liked the new notes anyway :idc:

You to get more money out if you only want a fiver?

[Lostie!]

vile scum

[Jason.]

Not my wallet containing pork derivatives :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

over 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for the contents of the notes to be changed.

:laugh2:

[LukeB]

over 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for the contents of the notes to be changed.

:laugh2:

Well it has to because vegetarians/vegans can't really avoid getting them.

[arista]

Tough Luck
The New Plastic £10 is months away


The money is staying Plastic.

Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

Infact
I can not wait for a Case of plastic £50 Notes

[arista]

over 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for the contents of the notes to be changed.

:laugh2:


its 20,000 now


But SO WHAT?

[Jordan.]

Poor delicate flowers

[arista]

Not my wallet containing pork derivatives :/


No its just the Hooves
Not a T-bone


Do not worry about it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well it has to because vegetarians/vegans can't really avoid getting them.

so what they are not bloody eating them

[reece(:]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m21otctBr91qdz7qk.png

[Liam-]

It's a good job money isn't designed to be eaten then, people need to get a life honestly.

[Denver]

People really are sad and pathetic

[LukeB]

Yes people who are against products/stuff made by animals need a life :rolleyes: They are vegetarians of course they won't be happy with using stuff that's has some animal in it, Fur isn't made to be eaten but that still gets protest about. Vegetarians isn't all about not eating meat :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes people who are against products/stuff made by animals need a life :rolleyes: They are vegetarians of course they won't be happy with using stuff that's has some animal in it, Fur isn't made to be eaten but that still gets protest about. Vegetarians isn't all about not eating meat :idc:

and it isnt about this either as all this does is devalue what they are for and make people think they are pedantic twats

learn to fight the right battles

[arista]

USA Dollars (20's)
not worth eating, Reece.

[Denver]

Yes people who are against products/stuff made by animals need a life :rolleyes: They are vegetarians of course they won't be happy with using stuff that's has some animal in it, Fur isn't made to be eaten but that still gets protest about. Vegetarians isn't all about not eating meat :idc:

But they dont care about the tree's who lose their lives :think:

[arista]

Yes people who are against products/stuff made by animals need a life :rolleyes: They are vegetarians of course they won't be happy with using stuff that's has some animal in it, Fur isn't made to be eaten but that still gets protest about. Vegetarians isn't all about not eating meat :idc:


Sure LukeB

But Vegans can have 2 x£2 coins
and 1 x £1 coin

I do not mind that

[arista]

But they dont care about the tree's who lose their lives :think:

Vegans say feck Tree's

[Northern Monkey]

Haha vegetarians eat some weird ****.Why not just spend it on vegetables?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I actually think that vegetarians will one day be looked on very kindly by historians and that we will one day all be this way, as it goes.

[Jamie89]

Yes people who are against products/stuff made by animals need a life :rolleyes: They are vegetarians of course they won't be happy with using stuff that's has some animal in it, Fur isn't made to be eaten but that still gets protest about. Vegetarians isn't all about not eating meat :idc:

Yeah, the whole 'they don't need to eat the notes' thing doesn't really make any sense tbh. Vegetarians/vegans are against the killing of animals for products, it just happens that those products are normally food. It's not a case that they're just against eating meat and that's it.
It's not something that bothers me personally but I don't think people should be mocked for having an issue with it, it's something a lot of people feel really strongly about so I don't think it's a case that they're complaining for the sake of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the amount of animal product in every £5 produced so far = half a cow


every car, bus, plane and train contains traces of animal product too

[user104658]

In theory, you could make tallow from wild animals that died of natural causes...

Would vegans still be against that? Genuine question.

[Babayaro.]

Sure LukeB

But Vegans can have 2 x£2 coins
and 1 x £1 coin

I do not mind that

:joker:

[Jamie89]

"Vegetarian cafe refuses new 'animal fat' £5 note"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-38184599

I think this is really bad of the cafe. Admittedly it's hard for me to fully empathise since I'm not a vegan/vegetarian but their argument is with the banks, not the general public. So it's not fair of them to do something that might disadvantage their customers.

If they want to make a stand then by all mean do it but they should be going directly to the source, hold a protest or something. As it is this just comes over as a lazy protest to me, punishing the small man because it's easier and hoping the big man will notice. I respect their views but as far as the action they've chosen goes it's not the right way to go about it.

Our whole business is based around not having anything like that on the premises," Mrs Meijland said.
She's got it mixed up imo, it's about the products that they sell to customers being vegetarian, which isn't affected by the currency being used, as she said herself...
"Although the same person doesn't handle the money that handles the food, that's not really the point."

Fair enough none of the customers have complained but in principle I just think it's wrong of them and if it was to catch on and be adopted by other businesses it could become a problem.

[Cherie]

"Vegetarian cafe refuses new 'animal fat' £5 note"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-38184599

I think this is really bad of the cafe. Admittedly it's hard for me to fully empathise since I'm not a vegan/vegetarian but their argument is with the banks, not the general public. So it's not fair of them to do something that might disadvantage their customers.

If they want to make a stand then by all mean do it but they should be going directly to the source, hold a protest or something. As it is this just comes over as a lazy protest to me, punishing the small man because it's easier and hoping the big man will notice. I respect their views but as far as the action they've chosen goes it's not the right way to go about it.

Our whole business is based around not having anything like that on the premises," Mrs Meijland said.
She's got it mixed up imo, it's about the products that they sell to customers being vegetarian, which isn't affected by the currency being used, as she said herself...
"Although the same person doesn't handle the money that handles the food, that's not really the point."

Fair enough none of the customers have complained but in principle I just think it's wrong of them and if it was to catch on and be adopted by other businesses it could become a problem.


Honestly I'm sure vegetarians come into contact with animal by products every day of the week and if they made an issue about it they would have to live in a bubble, so if they brush up against someone wearing a leather jacket in the street they would have an issue with this? I hope the Cafe goes out of business, this is a stupid decision

[y.winter]

Looks like ignorance about animal cruelty has made it to TiBB.

You know, you can be a meat eater and yet have a bit of sense to not come with the "but we don't eat money". Yes, I don't eat money. But using them is directly encouraging the bank of England to produce a product (in these case - notes) that involves unnecessary exploitation of animals. And that's what vegetarians/vegans are mostly against, it's deeper than this basic thought of "if it's not edible it's ok". The same way as I don't buy leather/fur clothes. Raise your hand if you ever thought that animal fat/whatever is an ingredient to make money.
I don't fly to Africa to feed the poor kids, but I have a great respect for those who do. You can eat meat, but have the decency of respecting the ones who care of something that is clearly a good deed.

[T*]

I'm stunned as to the fact it's 2016 and we used tallow in our notes like that's the most surprising part of this? It seems really old fashioned :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like ignorance about animal cruelty has made it to TiBB.

You know, you can be a meat eater and yet have a bit of sense to not come with the "but we don't eat money". Yes, I don't eat money. But using them is directly encouraging the bank of England to produce a product (in these case - notes) that involves unnecessary exploitation of animals. And that's what vegetarians/vegans are mostly against, it's deeper than this basic thought of "if it's not edible it's ok". The same way as I don't buy leather/fur clothes. Raise your hand if you ever thought that animal fat/whatever is an ingredient to make money.
I don't fly to Africa to feed the poor kids, but I have a great respect for those who do. You can eat meat, but have the decency of respecting the ones who care of something that is clearly a good deed.

do you know how much is used in every banknote produced and in circulation so far?


half a cow

[LukeB]

Looks like ignorance about animal cruelty has made it to TiBB.

You know, you can be a meat eater and yet have a bit of sense to not come with the "but we don't eat money". Yes, I don't eat money. But using them is directly encouraging the bank of England to produce a product (in these case - notes) that involves unnecessary exploitation of animals. And that's what vegetarians/vegans are mostly against, it's deeper than this basic thought of "if it's not edible it's ok". The same way as I don't buy leather/fur clothes. Raise your hand if you ever thought that animal fat/whatever is an ingredient to make money.
I don't fly to Africa to feed the poor kids, but I have a great respect for those who do. You can eat meat, but have the decency of respecting the ones who care of something that is clearly a good deed.

Bang on.

[Tom4784]

It's not like they're going to eat the notes is it? What a waste of energy it is to get upset over this.

Plus isn't Tallow basically a byproduct anyway? Animals will be killed for their meat regardless so it's better to make use of anything else we can from the animal.

[y.winter]

do you know how much is used in every banknote produced and in circulation so far?


half a cow
I bet the other living half of that cow is very happy to know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

wait it gets better :laugh2:


https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/ac_temple_fiver_comp.jpg?w=748&h=392&crop=1


New £5 notes are banned from Hindu temples


British Hindu leaders ban the new £5 note from temples after it was revealed that they are non-vegetarian. (they have just banned it, the article is a little old, just heard on R2)

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/30/new-5-notes-could-be-banned-from-hindu-temples-6293343/

If ever you needed to know how backward, superstitious and totally batty religion is...


You could not make this sh1t up

[RichardG]

lmao :joker:

[LukeB]

It's not like they're going to eat the notes is it? What a waste of energy it is to get upset over this.

Plus isn't Tallow basically a byproduct anyway? Animals will be killed for their meat regardless so it's better to make use of anything else we can from the animal.

They are upset because the new £5 has bits of animal, being a vegetarian/vegan isn't all about not eating meat, they are against animal products. Fur,food and in this case new £5 notes are animal products and entertainment. It's pretty reasonable why they are annoyed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are upset because the new £5 has bits of animal, being a vegetarian/vegan isn't all about not eating meat, they are against animal products. Fur,food and in this case new £5 notes are animal products and entertainment. It's pretty reasonable why they are annoyed.

so do all cars planes and trains

[y.winter]

so do all cars planes and trains

So it's basically all or nothing at all.
Quite a sad perspective.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So it's basically all or nothing at all.
Quite a sad perspective.

what is sad is picking the wrong battles and losing any credibility they had with the public

[y.winter]

what is sad is picking the wrong battles and losing any credibility they had with the public

There are no wrong battles when it comes to injustice (as stupid as they are, thanks to the bank of Britain).
I'm sorry if it's not appealing enough for you. As far as I'm concerned a vegan can walk down the street sipping a soy latte and people will still be annoyed by "ooh look at that bleeding heart vegan walking down the street bragging about his non-meat diet". Unless it's about cruelty against street dogs/cats, people will always have something to say about how vegans are sabotaging their own reputation. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

[Northern Monkey]

Personally i have nothing against the non militant vegans and veggies.They can drink as many soy lattes as they like.It shouldn't bother anyone else tbh.It's the ones who try pushing it on the rest of us that are the problem.But they are a minority anyway and mostly confined to the bowels of Youtube.
As for the fivers.Well they're just gonna have more change clogging up their wallets.That's not anyone elses problem.

Unless of course a shop runs out of change.Then they're screwed:laugh:

[Tom4784]

They are upset because the new £5 has bits of animal, being a vegetarian/vegan isn't all about not eating meat, they are against animal products. Fur,food and in this case new £5 notes are animal products and entertainment. It's pretty reasonable why they are annoyed.

It's silly, most every day objects contain some sort of animal material. It's pretty unrealistic to boycott anything that contain any animal based materials.

Choosing not to eat meat is fine but there's no way a total boycott is realistic without making allowances somewhere. It's hypocritical and thus pointless.

[Cherie]

Personally i have nothing against the non militant vegans and veggies.They can drink as many soy lattes as they like.It shouldn't bother anyone else tbh.It's the ones who try pushing it on the rest of us that are the problem.But they are a minority anyway and mostly confined to the bowels of Youtube.
As for the fivers.Well they're just gonna have more change clogging up their wallets.That's not anyone elses problem.

Unless of course a shop runs out of change.Then they're screwed:laugh:

I wonder how many would say keep the change in that instance :hee:

[Cherie]

It's silly, most every day objects contain some sort of animal material. It's pretty unrealistic to boycott anything that contain any animal based materials.

Choosing not to eat meat is fine but there's no way a total boycott is realistic without making allowances somewhere. It's hypocritical and thus pointless.

.

[y.winter]

Also: there will always be hungry people around the world. Why even bother feeding five of them. It's pointless.

As they say at Tesco: every little helps.

[Tom4784]

Also: there will always be hungry people around the world. Why even bother feeding five of them. It's pointless.

As they say at Tesco: every little helps.

How does protesting a bank note help anything or anyone?

Animals aren't killed for their fat, they're killed for their meat. The fat used to create Tallow is often a byproduct. Should we just be wasteful with the materials for the sake of faux outrage? What's the point of that? It doesn't help anyone and the same amount of animals will still be killed regardless.

The Native Americans had it right, if an animal must be killed then we must make use of as many parts of it as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also: there will always be hungry people around the world. Why even bother feeding five of them. It's pointless.

As they say at Tesco: every little helps.

that is a fake advertising slogan

Do you know how many cows are killed on roads every day?


why are the VV's not doing owt about that?

[Northern Monkey]

I wonder how many would say keep the change in that instance :hee:

Do you know how much Quorn you can buy for a fiver?:laugh:

[y.winter]

How does protesting a bank note help anything or anyone?

Animals aren't killed for their fat, they're killed for their meat. The fat used to create Tallow is often a byproduct. Should we just be wasteful with the materials for the sake of faux outrage? What's the point of that? It doesn't help anyone and the same amount of animals will still be killed regardless.

The Native Americans had it right, if an animal must be killed then we must make use of as many parts of it as possible.

It helps that extra animal that had to be killed because of it.
It's giving another reason why to kill animals, instead of giving this brutal act less reasons.
Is it necessary to put that fat in the money? No.
Can they do it with other material? Yes.
So why with?
Why justify one horribly violence with another one.
Why are you supportive of this idea instead of saying "what kind of idiocy is putting animal fat in money"?
Why protesting against this idea is being silly and not the idea itself being silly?

Will you say the same if it was animal fat of dogs who died for the Chinese market? Cats who died on the roads?

[y.winter]

that is a fake advertising slogan

Do you know how many cows are killed on roads every day?


why are the VV's not doing owt about that?

1. Yes, it's advertising slogan, but you know what I mean.
2. Who said they're not doing anything about that?
3. Can they do anything about it? Can they do anything about the money? One case can be easily avoided, I'll let you guess which one. (Clue: it has been avoided so far).
4. Why must it be all or nothing at all with you? Must we choose between money and roadkills or can we work to minimise both of them?

[Lostie!]

How does protesting a bank note help anything or anyone?

Animals aren't killed for their fat, they're killed for their meat. The fat used to create Tallow is often a byproduct. Should we just be wasteful with the materials for the sake of faux outrage? What's the point of that? It doesn't help anyone and the same amount of animals will still be killed regardless.

The Native Americans had it right, if an animal must be killed then we must make use of as many parts of it as possible.

I'm not one of the people planning a boycott or whatever because I don't see how on earth that will work but I have to disagree with you here, I don't see what "faux outrage" has to do with anything (and if I'm being honest I think that term has become a much too convenient way of dismissing certain opinions). If someone who genuinely feels very strongly about animal rights is taking issue with this, I think it's clear that their anger is very real. I don't think there's anything anybody can really do about it and as I said, I don't see how a boycott would work (like are people just going to refuse one of these notes if they receive it with their change? I've no time for stuff like that for the sake of making a statement) but I still think people who feel this strongly about this stuff are entitled to voice their grievances with it.

Also, it's not really about people who abstain from using animal products being deluded enough to think that they're stopping animal slaughter. For example I'm under no assumption that me not eating meat has an effect on the amount of animals being killed for food. The point is that people who feel this way about animals simply don't want to be involved in using animal products in their daily life. We can choose to stop eating meat and to not wear materials from skinned animals etc but something like this takes that choice away. Nobody is eating or wearing it but they're being forced to partake in this attitude of animals being treated as not much more than materials for humans to use rather than living creatures (whether they were killed specifically for the fat or not, even being killed just for the meat this is a result of that and therefore the very thing vegetarians / vegans don't wish to be involved in).

But yeah, all of that said, it is what it is unfortunately. There comes a time when you have to just deal with the situation you have and this is one.

[armand.kay]

Lol imagine being vilified for not wanting animal fat in their money.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol imagine being vilified for not wanting animal fat in their money.

Its a lot worse the other way around when you analyse the actual facts and ditch the hysteria..

:idc:

[armand.kay]

Its a lot worse the other way around when you analyse the actual facts and ditch the hysteria..

:idc:

I'm not that bothered about it but i understand why someone would be, so no i don't really need to ditch anything :idc:

[Liam-]

I'd like to know how many of the people who complained and signed the petition use other animal products in their everyday lives, like their couches, or their car seats, their wallets/purses/bags, their shoes? I obviously don't have a problem with vegetarians or vegans because I'm not stupid, however, the militant vegetarians and vegans that believe they're better than everyone else because they eat plants and quinoa are the worst.

I don't see the harm in something being made with an animal byproduct, the animal was already dead, having not being killed for this specific reason, so should the rest of the animal be wasted and just thrown away somewhere, rather than all of the animal having a proper use?

[Jamie89]

I'd like to know how many of the people who complained and signed the petition use other animal products in their everyday lives, like their couches, or their car seats, their wallets/purses/bags, their shoes? I obviously don't have a problem with vegetarians or vegans because I'm not stupid, however, the militant vegetarians and vegans that believe they're better than everyone else because they eat plants and quinoa are the worst.

I don't see the harm in something being made with an animal byproduct, the animal was already dead, having not being killed for this specific reason, so should the rest of the animal be wasted and just thrown away somewhere, rather than all of the animal having a proper use?

What I thinks interesting though, is that if animals aren't killed for this purpose, that means that this particular byproduct isn't needed for the notes... so why use it? I doubt it's for the sake of 'wasting' dead animal parts (I mean it might be I suppose but I can't see the banks basing their decisions on that). And since vegans/vegetarians are against animals being killed in the first place they probably don't see it as being a 'waste' if it isn't used, it's a completely different perspective.

So could they not just use something else and keep everyone happy?

[Kizzy]

Screw moral, ethical or religious sentiment!! This is money and money is EVERYTHING!!!!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Screw moral, ethical or religious sentiment!! This is money and money is EVERYTHING!!!!!!

You bet it is

:thumbs:

[arista]

How does protesting a bank note help anything or anyone?

Animals aren't killed for their fat, they're killed for their meat. The fat used to create Tallow is often a byproduct. Should we just be wasteful with the materials for the sake of faux outrage? What's the point of that? It doesn't help anyone and the same amount of animals will still be killed regardless.

The Native Americans had it right, if an animal must be killed then we must make use of as many parts of it as possible.

Yes Dezzy
they are killed for meat
its just the left overs.
All bits must be used
or its a Whole Waste of Time.


One Pure Vegan Girl worker
on CH5HD AM last week
could not make up her mind up- Live on Air

[Kizzy]

If I hear, 'it's only a tiny bit' one more time...... :/ I eat meat and I can see why this is wrong.
Candles and stuff... blah blah yes they have ingredients listed, money does not.

[Tom4784]

It helps that extra animal that had to be killed because of it.
It's giving another reason why to kill animals, instead of giving this brutal act less reasons.
Is it necessary to put that fat in the money? No.
Can they do it with other material? Yes.
So why with?
Why justify one horribly violence with another one.
Why are you supportive of this idea instead of saying "what kind of idiocy is putting animal fat in money"?
Why protesting against this idea is being silly and not the idea itself being silly?

Will you say the same if it was animal fat of dogs who died for the Chinese market? Cats who died on the roads?

I don't think I've ever heard of animals being killed just for their fat. It's a byproduct so it's very doubtful that more animals are being killed just to harvest it so I completely disregard that point of yours until you can prove otherwise.

The animal is dead either way so why waste perfectly good materials? Again, would you rather the carcass be discarded and ultimately wasted? Remember that with or without Tallow, that animal will still be dead. Better to make use of it's parts than let it go to waste.

I'm not supportive of the idea, I ultimately don't care about Tallow being used on bank notes, I just think it's dumb to act like it's outrageous when the kinds of people that will protest this don't mind the animal parts being used in their clothes, shoes and other everyday items.

Like I said before, I believe in the native american principle of using as much of an animal as possible. Dogs will be killed for their meat in China regardless so why not use something that would ultimately be thrown away otherwise? Same goes for cats.

Same goes for me, I've got a donor card because I'd rather have my organs be used then left to rot or burn.

[y.winter]

I don't think I've ever heard of animals being killed just for their fat. It's a byproduct so it's very doubtful that more animals are being killed just to harvest it so I completely disregard that point of yours until you can prove otherwise.

The animal is dead either way so why waste perfectly good materials? Again, would you rather the carcass be discarded and ultimately wasted? Remember that with or without Tallow, that animal will still be dead. Better to make use of it's parts than let it go to waste.

I'm not supportive of the idea, I ultimately don't care about Tallow being used on bank notes, I just think it's dumb to act like it's outrageous when the kinds of people that will protest this don't mind the animal parts being used in their clothes, shoes and other everyday items.

Like I said before, I believe in the native american principle of using as much of an animal as possible. Dogs will be killed for their meat in China regardless so why not use something that would ultimately be thrown away otherwise? Same goes for cats.

Same goes for me, I've got a donor card because I'd rather have my organs be used then left to rot or burn.

As Jamie said - why is a fat animal waste such a concern? it wasn't used before, it can be stay unused after. If it should worry anyone, it should be the meat industry who'll be happy earning a few more quids. Since when animal fat waste is the only answer to making money?! It's absurd. This is industry is not really environment friendly to say the least, it's not like they're green peace all of a sudden.

I hold a donor card too, and that's where the difference lies - I decided to do so, the animals didn't agree to take part in this and become a product and get slaughtered and being used like a "material" instead of... being an animal.

We should be more graceful with our surroundings. instead we're going calculated, cold and numb.

[Tom4784]

As Jamie said - why is a fat animal waste such a concern? it wasn't used before, it can be stay unused after. If it should worry anyone, it should be the meat industry who'll be happy earning a few more quids. Since when animal fat waste is the only answer to making money?! It's absurd. This is industry is not really environment friendly to say the least, it's not like they're green peace all of a sudden.

I hold a donor card too, and that's where the difference lies - I decided to do so, the animals didn't agree to take part in this and become a product and get slaughtered and being used like a "material" instead of... being an animal.

We should be more graceful with our surroundings. instead we're going calculated, cold and numb.

So you'd gladly waste useful resources for no valid reason. The animals whose fat are harvested for Tallow are dead when it happens, they would be dead either way as these animals are killed for their meat. not their fat.

You say we should be more graceful with our surroundings but how can you say that in the same post where you are basically endorsing being wasteful? Hypocritical.

Animals are going to die for their meat, fact so what valid reason do you have for not making use of what would otherwise be considered a byproduct and likely disposed in a non-environmentally friendly fashion? Better to make use of what we can.

[user104658]

So you'd gladly waste useful resources for no valid reason. The animals whose fat are harvested for Tallow are dead when it happens, they would be dead either way as these animals are killed for their meat. not their fat.

You say we should be more graceful with our surroundings but how can you say that in the same post where you are basically endorsing being wasteful? Hypocritical.

Animals are going to die for their meat, fact so what valid reason do you have for not making use of what would otherwise be considered a byproduct and likely disposed in a non-environmentally friendly fashion? Better to make use of what we can.
To play devils advocate though, looking at it from the veggie/vegan POV (where as I understand it, they basically consider the animals to be just like humans) ... Would we be OK with human remains being used in the manufacturing industry so long as the people died of natural causes? Like if money contained baby skulls, would it be OK if they were all stillbirths?

I think that's essentially the thinking of it. I dunno. As I say just playing devils advocate as I am very much NOT vegan and frankly wouldn't be that bothered if there was an entire cow in every fiver :joker:.

[Kizzy]

There would be no waste, how do you think supermarkets can sell 20 burgers for £1?.... Nothing is wasted.

Or they grind up what's left of a cow and feed it back to cows.... that's how the BSE crisis was identified.

[Marsh.]

Update: the new fiver tears quite easily. :worry:

[user104658]

Update: the new fiver tears quite easily. :worry:
Not as easily as a paper fiver :shrug:. I think people expected them to be indestructible :joker:.

One of the main problems with them though, is that they can shrink / warp if they are exposed to heat, e.g. Accidentally tumble-dried... I've had a couple of people try to pay with "mini" fivers.

[arista]

Not as easily as a paper fiver :shrug:. I think people expected them to be indestructible :joker:.

One of the main problems with them though, is that they can shrink / warp if they are exposed to heat, e.g. Accidentally tumble-dried... I've had a couple of people try to pay with "mini" fivers.


Sell them on Ebay

This new Note is saving the bank Big Money
No money should be near Heat.

[armand.kay]

Also them using the animal fat weather it's a byproduct or not is putting money into the pockets of those running the toxic meat industry and some people might not be happy about that...

[Livia]

I'm disturbed by this. Many people do not eat various animals on religious grounds. It caused a whole bloody mutiny in India, having gun catridges made with fat from a cow for Indian troops to use. I thought in this "right on" climate someone would have thought about that.

[Marsh.]

Also them using the animal fat weather it's a byproduct or not is putting money into the pockets of those running the toxic meat industry and some people might not be happy about that...

:nono: Meat is delicious.

[Northern Monkey]

If your meat is toxic then you're going to the wrong butchers

[armand.kay]

:nono: Meat is delicious.
If you say so...
If your meat is toxic then you're going to the wrong butchers

I said the toxic meat industry hun. The effect industrial farming has had on our world is toxic.

[Kizzy]

If you say so...


I said the toxic meat industry hun. The effect industrial farming has had on our world is toxic.

true.

[user104658]

If you say so...


I said the toxic meat industry hun. The effect industrial farming has had on our world is toxic.
True but this is also true of all industrial agriculture, including plant crops, and the sad fact is we're now at the point where the global population simply can't be fed organically. The effect that overpopulation of human beings has had on our world is toxic, would be more accurate.

[Kizzy]

True but this is also true of all industrial agriculture, including plant crops, and the sad fact is we're now at the point where the global population simply can't be fed organically. The effect that overpopulation of human beings has had on our world is toxic, would be more accurate.

That does not excuse dangerous/ unethical practice, what's the point of it ultimately if what is produced is as likely to cause you harm?
Again it's simply allowing someone to make a quick buck. Straight following the result of the referendum Rees Mogg was interviewed stating that *banned pesticides would be reintroduced.

* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37622778 ( At 11 mins)

[Crimson Dynamo]

If your meat is toxic then you're going to the wrong butchers

:joker:

[Kizzy]

If your meat is toxic then you're going to the wrong butchers

Yes, avoid most major supermarkets though.

#campylobactor