Live LBC : We do not have funding for Prep : Gay man phoned : give money to the old

[arista]

The Prep Pill is £400 a month for the Fella


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prep is to risky as they still get STD's
FACT


Data on Prep
Pre-exposure prophylaxis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-exposure_prophylaxis

[arista]

Feck Me


Another Gay caller said on Grnder and Tinder
Gay Fellas are saying they are Pre Prepped
to get more Customers.


That Gay caller said its WRONG


please note: There is nothing
wrong with being Gay

[Jamie89]

The Prep Pill is £400 a month for the Fella


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prep is to risky as they still get STD's
FACT

That's like saying the contraceptive is pill is 'risky' too. There's an odd stigma to people using prep, that they're likely to act more carelessly or sleep around more, and while that might be true for some people because some people just do that anyway, it doesn't make prep itself risky, and it's not true for most people. The point of it is to reduce the risk of catching an infection and spreading a disease that can kill people. If some people who are taking it create risks for themselves using the excuse that they're on prep, that doesn't make the treatment a risk, it's still just as beneficial for those who use it correctly (as well as society as a whole if it reduces the amount of HIV that's out there), it just means that some people are dumb.

[arista]

That Show has Now Ended at 12 Miday

[arista]

"That's like saying the contraceptive is pill is 'risky' too."


No its not
as there are more STD's
on Active fellas
FACT

[arista]

On LBC LIVE Debate again

This time Stig

But MP David Davis
has said it costs to much
he brought up Drug Users
who will carry on getting HIV
regardless.

[arista]

Now Stig
is not tilling the Public what Katie said
about grinder and Tinder
which is FACT


The MP says its to much money
per prep person

[Firewire]

"That's like saying the contraceptive is pill is 'risky' too."


No its not
as there are more STD's
on Active fellas
FACT

Is it fact?

I'd quite like to know if straight men are more prone to STDs than gay men

[UserSince2005]

i so want prep on the NHS. its a disgrace that we cant get it.

[arista]

Is it fact?

I'd quite like to know if straight men are more prone to STDs than gay men


Yes it is they have the NUMBERS



As for Straight men getting STD's - Sure that happens
but that needs its OWN thread.
This is about NHS money
Millions of pounds going to PREP

and sorry to some Cancer people
no money left

Ref: SkyNewsHD / LBC / Ch4HDNews

[arista]

i so want prep on the NHS. its a disgrace that we cant get it.


Loads are getting it FREE
others Buy it.



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[UserSince2005]

I wouldnt buy it, my health is the responsibility of the state.

[arista]

A Angry Medical Nurse
who worked in a lab,
is calling in now
saying Side effects of Prep
not yet known


He was saying not value for money

[arista]

I wouldnt buy it, my health is the responsibility of the state.


Jolly Good

[arista]

Stig loves Experts........


http://www.lbc.co.uk/

[arista]

£360K per prep fella

Thats alot of money
if they forget to take it.

[arista]

Another Caller
just said he against NHS MONEY
being spent on this.

last 10mins of debate after their commercial break.

At 5PM
Stig Abel talks to the LibDem Leader

[UserSince2005]

you seem very interested in this arista?

you up for bareback fun?

[Jamie89]

"That's like saying the contraceptive is pill is 'risky' too."


No its not
as there are more STD's
on Active fellas
FACT

There being more STD's on active fellas doesn't make that statement false :/ It was a comparison... "like", I was commenting on the principle of what you were saying.

It doesn't even matter anyway, I'm not saying STD's aren't a problem amongst gay men, it's a big problem, and there are people who'll use prep, have unprotected sex, and end up spreading other diseases, but like I said that's just stupidity on their part and they'll be doing that anyway - only with the added risk of spreading HIV, and maybe there will be a smaller minority who'll sleep around unprotected who otherwise wouldn't have without prep, but that doesn't mean it won't overall have a huge benefit, becasue a lot of gay men are actually quite sensible, y'know. And you can't limit their choices, take away their protections because of a small minority who might act recklessly.
Bottom line is HIV is on the increase and yes it's not as dangerous as it used to be but we still need to try and prevent it where possible, and the fact that some people are irresponsible isn't a good enough reason to reject the idea of protecting everyone else - (...just like how when the contraceptive pill was introduced, I'm sure some will have been against it because it might have meant that some women would have unprotected sex where they otherwise wouldn't have, and therefore spread STD's).

[arista]

"Bottom line is HIV is on the increase and yes it's not as dangerous as it used to be but we still need to try and prevent it "

sure Jamie
so long as they are not in poor parts of Africa.


But Again
callers say some folks with cancer
will die sooner as NHS Money
is wasted on Prep.

Infact even some medical
people are against using NHS Money
on this Prep Testing Ground

[Jamie89]

"Bottom line is HIV is on the increase and yes it's not as dangerous as it used to be but we still need to try and prevent it "

sure Jamie
so long as they are not in poor parts of Africa.


But Again
callers say some folks with cancer
will die sooner as NHS Money
is wasted on Prep.

Infact even some medical
people are against using NHS Money
on this Prep Testing Ground

I suppose it depends then on whether or not you consider it a 'waste'. Cancer still exists but that's not a reason to not invest in treatments for other diseases (especially ones that are growing). I don't think there would be much of an impact on cancer treatment anyway though, the arguments against it seem like scaremongering to me, and the resistance to prep being invested in seem to be based on the 'gay men sleeping around' stereotype, and the homophobic undertones of "they're going to spread diseases regardless so why bother" (and the cherry picking of some (rare) examples of gay men who might be irresponsible and using them as a reason/implying they're representative of everyone else, shows that), so I don't hold much merit to those callers' views tbh.

[Firewire]

It's literally like the government announcing plans to build houses in Newcastle but there being a protest saying "Manchester needs them more!"

[arista]

The problem is Jamie89

'gay men sleeping around'

Thats increased
as on Sites they say "I am, fully prepped"

Ref : Checked Live on LBC 10AM show, today

also some drinkers "may" forget to take that pill
a few times,

Its a massive amount of NHS Cash

[Firewire]

Straight people are entitled to Prep as well

They sleep around too

HIV isn't a "gay" problem

[arista]

It's literally like the government announcing plans to build houses in Newcastle but there being a protest saying "Manchester needs them more!"

no ,not really


This is more about the total NHS Budget changing
because of the New Prep.

Stig accepted that
but he wants the Test Prep to go on.

[arista]

Straight people are entitled to Prep as well

They sleep around too

HIV isn't a "gay" problem


Sure
but on both Live debates on LBC
it was on Gay Fellas.
And NHS Funding

[Jamie89]

The problem is Jamie89

'gay men sleeping around'

Thats increased
as on Sites they say "I am, fully prepped"

Ref : Checked Live on LBC 10AM show, today

also some drinkers "may" forget to take that pill
a few times,

Its a massive amount of NHS Cash

Again though, it's a minority of gay men that will be irresponsible on prep, like I said it's unfair to punish everyone else for what some will do (and really that punishment extends to the whole of society since HIV is increasing, in London especially the rates are shocking and that puts everyone in danger, and I know you want to keep the conversation to gay men only but sexuality isn't as straight forward as that for a lot of people so straight men and women are also at an increased danger right now too - a gay man with HIV isn't necessarily only going to pass it on to another gay man). And people can act irresponsibly in all aspects of life but we don't limit treatments to the majority because of those people. And it really doesn't matter that some drinkers may forget to take the pill, again it's missing the point completely that for the people who don't forget to take it, and act responsibly, it will have huge benefits (as well as like I say, to society as a whole by reducing the amount of HIV that's out there).

I'm not going to pretend that it isn't a problem that some gay men are spreading STD's by 'advertising' unsafe sex, it is and it pisses me off to be quite honest when I see people on Grindr etc doing it, but it's something that's a completely separate issue, and it should be addressed, but not by limiting treatments for diseases for them (and especially when it's going to have an adverse impact on everyone else). Personally I think the best way to deal with that is through sex-education in schools being inclusive of gay sex & relationships but that's something for another thread :laugh:

[Niamh.]

How is that Pill so expensive in the first place though?

[Smithy]

How is that Pill so expensive in the first place though?

Brexit

[arista]

How is that Pill so expensive in the first place though?


UK : 10,000 Fellas get it fee on our NHS


the rest is Supply and Demand
as normal

[Livia]

If people want this pill they should have to fund it themselves.