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nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
From the Daily Star:

SARI JADE, WE JUST DON'T WANT YOU
14/03/07

DESPERATE Jade Goody has been pestering a glossy Asian magazine to pose as its cover girl – in a sari.

The Celebrity Big Brother bully thought snaps of her cavorting in Indian gear would build bridges.

But bungling Jade, 25, was told: “Sari, but that’s way too much for Asian people to stomach.”

Staff at Britain’s top-selling Asian women’s mag Asiana were left speechless when Jade approached them with her loopy idea for a PR assault.

The Bermondsey bruiser (lol) is desperate to revive her career after enraging the Asian community here and in India by calling Bollywood beauty Shilpa Shetty (pictured), 31, “Poppadom” and “*******awallah”.

But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)

A source close to Jade told the Daily Star last night: “In her eyes, having her in a sari plastered across this respected magazine was to be a quick fix for all the hurt she caused.

But staff saw through her approach and realised readers would be angry to see Jade in beautiful Indian clothes after the foul-mouthed tirades she hurled at Shilpa.

“Jade was insistent. She had to be told repeatedly it was not going to happen.”

Mum-of-two Jade had told pals she wanted the snaps to show her dressed in traditional Indian style, with a desert backdrop of camels and palm trees.

The source added: “She could not even get her ideas right. She seems to be a walking cultural relations nuclear winter.” Shihab Salim, 35, editor-in-chief of Asiana, said: “The option of a photoshoot with her in a sari was flatly rejected.

“It would been in poor taste. I think our readers would have accused us of falling for a PR trick. We support Shilpa – and so do our readers.

“However, since Jade wanted to apologise to our readers, we felt we could include that in our magazine.

“And our decision to run the story was sealed when she came up with priceless quotes such as: ‘Pakistani people are not from India’.”

Asiana is in the shops today.

omg!

It's a fairly long and typical story.

The Newspapers are jumping on Jade Goody again.

It may be Danielle and Jo next? who knows and who cares.

Anyway, There are two main points, which are easy to explain
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1) Jade offering to wear Indian clothes in a magazine?

Jade Goody went to India to tell as many people there and in fact, worldwide! That she is very sorry for her offensive words and sentances to Shilpa Shetty, also, she is not a racist person and if some of the words and sentances sounded by many to maybe have "racial-overtones", then she understands that many may have thought they were actually racist, but were not.

The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

She could offer nothing at all, but Jade Goody is not like that and will try to make peace for all, especially as the investigation from the police is over and the C.P.S has given their legal verdict, which is in the three girl's favour!

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The other point:-

2) ‘Pakistani people are not from India’.” That is typical Jade Goody. She says funny things like that and that is just her all over.

Nothing nasty or very bad. Just a comment which comes over like that, which sounds thick! But nevermind, it is not worth worrying about.

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

If you say, "Asian people" I don't think any Indian woman or man would be offended?

I can't imagine why any Indian man or woman could ever get that worried and look at that as being offensive, even if the word, "Pakistani" was mistaken for "Sri Lanka"

It is Jade's recent quirky comment and nothing offensive!

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

:laugh::laugh: What's funny is that you ACTUALLY believe that.

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

If you say, "Asian people" I don't think any Indian woman or man would be offended?

I can't imagine why any Indian man or woman could ever get that worried and look at that as being offensive, even if the word, "Pakistani" was mistaken for "Sri Lanka"

It is Jade's recent quirky comment and nothing offensive!

There you go again, making racially biased comments. You seem to do that a lot. Perhaps you can explain to us why that is?

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

1. The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

2. Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

1. No actually. Just another pathetic attempt to get herself in the limelight, and one that I find offensive. Why would she specifically want to adorn a sari? Does she then think she will be embraced as part of the Indian community. The usual idiotic, pathetic attempt to exhonerate herself.

2. You may as well refer to me as a European then if we are going to be this vague.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony

The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

:laugh::laugh: What's funny is that you ACTUALLY believe that.

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

If you say, "Asian people" I don't think any Indian woman or man would be offended?

I can't imagine why any Indian man or woman could ever get that worried and look at that as being offensive, even if the word, "Pakistani" was mistaken for "Sri Lanka"

It is Jade's recent quirky comment and nothing offensive!

There you go again, making racially biased comments. You seem to do that a lot. Perhaps you can explain to us why that is?

It is obvious that Jade Goody wouldn't make this offer for no reason.

You assume that Jade is just doing this to save face.

Other's would disagree and like you to prove that she is doing it for genuine reasons and also, to further protect her children.

She knows that Shilpa Shetty has completely let off Danielle Lloyd and because of that, Danielle is okay now.
_____________________________________________

I don't make racially biased comments!

I just state truths. It is easy to get mixed up.

Ask twenty white-skinned men, woman and children at random and see if I'm right?

tinkerbell

14-03-2007, 10:19 AM

Im really sick of seing Danielle on the cover of Daily Star everyday! does she have a different story to tell everyday??

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I don't make racially biased comments!

I just state truths. It is easy to get mixed up.

Ask twenty white-skinned men, woman and children at random and see if I'm right?

Whoa!!! There you go again. Is it easy to tell the difference between many Caucasian nationalities? No. Why do you never comment on that but you're happy to state that it's difficult to tell the difference between Asian people. That is a racially biased comment. So you DO make racially biased comments. Don't deny it.

If you'd like to concede some kind of bias in this then feel free to do it, but stop acting like we don't know what we're dealing with.

mansi

14-03-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
From the Daily Star:

SARI JADE, WE JUST DON'T WANT YOU
14/03/07

DESPERATE Jade Goody has been pestering a glossy Asian magazine to pose as its cover girl – in a sari.

The Celebrity Big Brother bully thought snaps of her cavorting in Indian gear would build bridges.

But bungling Jade, 25, was told: “Sari, but that’s way too much for Asian people to stomach.”

Staff at Britain’s top-selling Asian women’s mag Asiana were left speechless when Jade approached them with her loopy idea for a PR assault.

The Bermondsey bruiser (lol) is desperate to revive her career after enraging the Asian community here and in India by calling Bollywood beauty Shilpa Shetty (pictured), 31, “Poppadom” and “*******awallah”.

But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)

A source close to Jade told the Daily Star last night: “In her eyes, having her in a sari plastered across this respected magazine was to be a quick fix for all the hurt she caused.

But staff saw through her approach and realised readers would be angry to see Jade in beautiful Indian clothes after the foul-mouthed tirades she hurled at Shilpa.

“Jade was insistent. She had to be told repeatedly it was not going to happen.”

Mum-of-two Jade had told pals she wanted the snaps to show her dressed in traditional Indian style, with a desert backdrop of camels and palm trees.

The source added: “She could not even get her ideas right. She seems to be a walking cultural relations nuclear winter.” Shihab Salim, 35, editor-in-chief of Asiana, said: “The option of a photoshoot with her in a sari was flatly rejected.

“It would been in poor taste. I think our readers would have accused us of falling for a PR trick. We support Shilpa – and so do our readers.

“However, since Jade wanted to apologise to our readers, we felt we could include that in our magazine.

“And our decision to run the story was sealed when she came up with priceless quotes such as: ‘Pakistani people are not from India’.”

Asiana is in the shops today.

omg!

It's a fairly long and typical story.

The Newspapers are jumping on Jade Goody again.

It may be Danielle and Jo next? who knows and who cares.

Anyway, There are two main points, which are easy to explain
------------------------------------------

1) Jade offering to wear Indian clothes in a magazine?

Jade Goody went to India to tell as many people there and in fact, worldwide! That she is very sorry for her offensive words and sentances to Shilpa Shetty, also, she is not a racist person and if some of the words and sentances sounded by many to maybe have "racial-overtones", then she understands that many may have thought they were actually racist, but were not.

The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

She could offer nothing at all, but Jade Goody is not like that and will try to make peace for all, especially as the investigation from the police is over and the C.P.S has given their legal verdict, which is in the three girl's favour!

_____________________________________________

The other point:-

2) ‘Pakistani people are not from India’.” That is typical Jade Goody. She says funny things like that and that is just her all over.

Nothing nasty or very bad. Just a comment which comes over like that, which sounds thick! But nevermind, it is not worth worrying about.

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

If you say, "Asian people" I don't think any Indian woman or man would be offended?

I can't imagine why any Indian man or woman could ever get that worried and look at that as being offensive, even if the word, "Pakistani" was mistaken for "Sri Lanka"

It is Jade's recent quirky comment and nothing offensive!

the greedy pig is doing all of this for herself and her image...if you're saying she isn't then why didn't she appear on the cover a year ago? why now?
i'm sure you know deep down inside why she's doing all of this but you're just trying to irritate all of us

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony

1. The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

2. Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

1. No actually. Just another pathetic attempt to get herself in the limelight, and one that I find offensive. Why would she specifically want to adorn a sari? Does she then think she will be embraced as part of the Indian community. The usual idiotic, pathetic attempt to exhonerate herself.

2. You may as well refer to me as a European then if we are going to be this vague.

She would never expect to be embraced as part of the Indian community.

Jade Goody is not Indian and never will be.

She is just trying to offer a gesture and make a few who do hate her, look at her in a better light.

It is always hard to mend a situation like hers.

____________________________________________

You could be a European?

Visit London and walk into Mcdonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut.

Then, tell me who is Polish, Italian, Indian, Jamaican, Pakistani, French, English, Welsh, Sri Lankan, Spanish, etc...

Just by looking..

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by tinkerbell
Im really sick of seing Danielle on the cover of Daily Star everyday! does she have a different story to tell everyday??

Yes!

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

You could be a European?

Visit London and walk into Mcdonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut.

Then, tell me who is Polish, Italian, Indian, Jamaican, Pakistani, French, English, Welsh, Sri Lankan, Spanish, etc...

Just by looking..

What is the obsession with telling peoples nationalities by looking at them? Why does it matter so much?

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 10:29 AM

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Visit London and walk into Mcdonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut.

Then, tell me who is Polish, Italian, Indian, Jamaican, Pakistani, French, English, Welsh, Sri Lankan, Spanish, etc...

Just by looking..

Firstly I live in London, and love it for it's cosmopolitan nature. People from all walks of life live, and visit, here. So what you are saying above, is that Jade Goody, in all her life, has never had any interaction with an Indian or Pakistani person? No, you cannot tell if a person is Scottish or Irish say, just by looking at them, but your original post did not say "It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two, just by looking at them." now did it?

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony

You could be a European?

Visit London and walk into Mcdonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut.

Then, tell me who is Polish, Italian, Indian, Jamaican, Pakistani, French, English, Welsh, Sri Lankan, Spanish, etc...

Just by looking..

What is the obsession with telling peoples nationalities by looking at them? Why does it matter so much?

I am just answering previous questions from other forum users.

I just look and talk to people. Race or colour doesn't matter.

People are just people.

If they are nice, that's great!

If they are not and diss or attack me, I shall not bring race or colour into the equasion. But I will be agressive back, just like anyone else would be.

Neither did any of the girls.

Lauren

14-03-2007, 10:37 AM

LOL!

“I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.”

Thats just terrible. :hugesmile:

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Visit London and walk into Mcdonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut.

Then, tell me who is Polish, Italian, Indian, Jamaican, Pakistani, French, English, Welsh, Sri Lankan, Spanish, etc...

Just by looking..

Firstly I live in London, and love it for it's cosmopolitan nature. People from all walks of life live, and visit, here. So what you are saying above, is that Jade Goody, in all her life, has never had any interaction with an Indian or Pakistani person? No, you cannot tell if a person is Scottish or Irish say, just by looking at them, but your original post did not say "It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two, just by looking at them." now did it?

Jade Goody has said a funny remark, (Indians and Pakistani's) in her strange way?

She also, will know people who are Indian people through and through.

Also, she will know people who are mixed race, but have been born in England and have never even visited India or Pakistan.

However, If Jade Goody, youself or I, even. Walked into a Macdonalds in Brixton in London, and was approached by a woman with an Indian looking skin colour, we couldn't tell, just by looking at them, whether or not, that they are from India or wherever.

Does it really matter?

People want to eat in McDonalds and that's it!

Lauren

14-03-2007, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody has said a funny remark, (Indians and Pakistani's) in her strange way?

So she can say anything, just as long as she says it in her "cute and quirky" way?

Jade: "I'm gonna commit genocide against millions of innocent civilians!"

Awww, isn't she a cute 'un. :spin2:

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I am just answering previous questions from other forum users.

No you're not just answering questions. You bought it up with the comment "Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.".

Which roughly translated means 'they all look the same'. And that is a racist comment

I just look and talk to people. Race or colour doesn't matter.

I think it DOES matter to you.

You can say that but I'm not so sure.

People are just people.

If they are nice, that's great!

Waffle.

If they are not and diss or attack me, I shall not bring race or colour into the equasion. But I will be agressive back, just like anyone else would be.

Neither did any of the girls.

You HAVE bought race and colour into it.

Didn't I make a post saying that you should steer clear of this subject. You then claimed that you can say what you want to say, but I and many on this forum think you're a racist and nothing you've said today can convince me of otherwise. You keep brining the subject up and making racially motivated comments. It is YOU who's exposing your own out of date prejudiced believes, not me.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody has said a funny remark, (Indians and Pakistani's) in her strange way?

So she can say anything, just as long as she says it in her "cute and quirky" way?

Jade: "I'm going to commit genocide against millions of innocent civilians!"

Awww, isn't she a cute 'un. :spin2:

Getting back to the debate. Jade says:-

But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)

That hardly has anything to do with commiting genocide?

You're getting all worked up here! :bored:

Lauren

14-03-2007, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody has said a funny remark, (Indians and Pakistani's) in her strange way?

So she can say anything, just as long as she says it in her "cute and quirky" way?

Jade: "I'm going to commit genocide against millions of innocent civilians!"

Awww, isn't she a cute 'un. :spin2:

That hardly has anything to do with commiting genocide?

You're getting all worked up here! :bored:

I didn't... say she wanted to commit genocide... :rolleyes: LOL

I was using a humorous example of how you let her get away with saying anything, because it's "cute and quirky"

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony
I am just answering previous questions from other forum users.

No you're not just answering questions. You bought it up with the comment "Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.".

Which roughly translated means 'they all look the same'. And that is a racist comment

I just look and talk to people. Race or colour doesn't matter.

You can say that but I'm not so sure.

People are just people.

If they are nice, that's great!

Waffle.

If they are not and diss or attack me, I shall not bring race or colour into the equasion. But I will be agressive back, just like anyone else would be.

Neither did any of the girls.

You HAVE bought race and colour into it.

Didn't I make a post saying that you should steer clear of this subject. You then claimed that you can say what you want to say, but I and many on this forum think you're a racist and nothing you've said today can convince me of otherwise. You keep brining the subject up and making racially motivated comments. It is YOU who's exposing your own out of date prejudiced believes, not me.

You are getting your knickers in a spin, GiRTh :spin2::spin2::spin2:

Can you read this:-

But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)

All of my posts earlier are concerning this quote.

I am just explaining how easy it is to get mixed up with different colours of skin and culture.

___________________________________________

Regarding your comment about me saying Racist comments.

That is your own opinion.

Why not try and piece all of the comments that Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd and Jo O'Meara said in January's Celeb Big Brother and then, look at the C.P.S's conclusion.

Then try to work out what an actual racial comment or sentance is.

This over-scrutiny will ruin Big Brother 8 completely.

Try to calm down and let disagreements between two different people, not come down to race.

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)

All of my posts earlier are concerning this quote.

I am just explaining how easy it is to get mixed up with different colours of skin and culture.

That doesn't mean anything. You keep bringing the issue of race into this and I keep seeing implied racism in your words.

Regarding your comment about me saying Racist comments.

That is your un-educated opinion.

I'm extremely well educated thank you. I am in touch with my own intelligence to know that I may not be Einstein but I'm a long long way from being stupid. Trying to insult me is not going to work

Why not try and piece all of the comments that Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd and Jo O'Meara said in January's Celeb Big Brother and then, look at the C.P.S's conclusion.

The CPS findings were pretty predictable seeing as they didn't have all the evidence.

Then try to work out what an actual racial comment or sentance is.

I think I've already done that in a previous thread and I'm sure I nailed it. Why don't you have a crack and see if we agree.

Try to calm down and let disagreements between two different people, not come down to race.

You bought up race, not me. Stay off the subject and I will to.

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 11:05 AM

You know something nodisharmony, it was you who bought the race issue up in the first place. You should know by now this is a touchy subject. The thing that gets peoples backs up, besides issues of race, is that you never have a bad word to say about Jade. Everything she does is fine in your eyes. She cannot put a foot wrong. Maybe people might respect you more if you gave YOUR OWN honest opinion (I apologise for using capitals, but are merely using this as an emphasis), and stopped seeing everything through Jades' rose coloured spectacles. She is not perfect you know.

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 11:09 AM

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

That is your un-educated opinion.

It is not nice to assume something of someone now is it nodisharmony? Don't make speculative comments about someone, just because they do not agree with you. It's wrong and you know it.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony

But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)

All of my posts earlier are concerning this quote.

I am just explaining how easy it is to get mixed up with different colours of skin and culture.

That doesn't mean anything. You keep bringing the issue of race into this and I keep seeing implied racism in your words.

Regarding your comment about me saying Racist comments.

That is your un-educated opinion.

I'm extremely well educated thank you. I am in touch with my own intelligence to know that I may not be Einstein but I'm a long long way from being stupid. Trying to insult me is not going to work

Why not try and piece all of the comments that Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd and Jo O'Meara said in January's Celeb Big Brother and then, look at the C.P.S's conclusion.

The CPS findings were pretty predictable seeing as they didn't have all the evidence.

Then try to work out what an actual racial comment or sentance is.

I think I've already done that in a previous thread and I'm sure I nailed it. Why don't you have a crack and see if we agree.

Try to calm down and let disagreements between two different people, not come down to race.

You bought up race, not me. Stay off the subject and I will to.

"Not much to say to your replies?"

Pretty predictable.

The whole situation that Jade, Jo and Danielle find themselves in, is all down to race.

To not debate that, is very stupid indeed.

I don't expect you to agree on that, as you have already made your past feelings clear. We all know that!!:cloud:

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

"Not much to say to your replies?"

Pretty predictable.

The whole situation that Jade, Jo and Danielle find themselves in, is all down to race.

To not debate that, is very stupid indeed.

I don't expect you to agree on that, as you have already made your past feelings clear. We all know that!!:cloud:

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

The thread does have the word race in it - well done for being able to read it - but to imply all Asians look the same is not the kind of debate we were looking for.

Post edited

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 11:14 AM

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

That was the title on the front page of The Star as you can see. The actual story is not about race so drop it now please before it gets out of hand. We have discussed race issues with you before. We are quite aware of your views and do not need to go over it all again.

Dr43%er

14-03-2007, 11:14 AM

Someone once said to me "give them enough rope...."

I will try and keep out of this one as I think in my short time here I have made my viewpoint on where Nodisharmony is coming from clear. Plus, if I do put anything questioning Nodisharmony's stance he gets it removed and tries to get me warning.

So schtum from me. This will be hard. Wish me luck.

Dr 43%er.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

That is your un-educated opinion.

It is not nice to assume something of someone now is it nodisharmony? Don't make speculative comments about someone, just because they do not agree with you. It's wrong and you know it.

I treat people as they treat me.

Respect me for standing up for Jade Goody, just as I would respect someone defending Chantelle.

I would debate their wrong's, but never turn nasty and personal to another forum user, unless they have been offensive to me!

However, I tend to be more restrained than some others.

Have a good look through past threads and the truth is out there.

James

14-03-2007, 11:15 AM

Jade Goody is boring.

Ella

14-03-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by James
Jade Goody is boring.

Couldn't have put it better myself! :thumbs::hugesmile:

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
You know something nodisharmony, it was you who bought the race issue up in the first place. You should know by now this is a touchy subject. The thing that gets peoples backs up, besides issues of race, is that you never have a bad word to say about Jade. Everything she does is fine in your eyes. She cannot put a foot wrong. Maybe people might respect you more if you gave YOUR OWN honest opinion (I apologise for using capitals, but are merely using this as an emphasis), and stopped seeing everything through Jades' rose coloured spectacles. She is not perfect you know.

The race issue is a very touchy issue, agreed!

All you have to do is say the word, "the" next to the word, "Inidan" and someone will scrutinize it and call a forum user racist.

I hope Big Brother 8 has less people with that opinion, or we will have "January" all over again, due to lesser things said.

____________________________________________

I know Jade Goody is not perfect! I have said that, but naturally, as a supporter of her, it is not for me to point out Jade's faults! It is up to others to point out and prove her wrongs, if she is wrong or can be proved!

Dr43%er

14-03-2007, 11:20 AM

Must.....try.....................to............... ....keep.................mouth...........shut.

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

That is your un-educated opinion.

It is not nice to assume something of someone now is it nodisharmony? Don't make speculative comments about someone, just because they do not agree with you. It's wrong and you know it.

I treat people as they treat me.

Respect me for standing up for Jade Goody, just as I would respect someone defending Chantelle.

I would debate their wrong's, but never turn nasty and personal to another forum user, unless they have been offensive to me!

However, I tend to be more restrained than some others.

Have a good look through past threads and the truth is out there.

Two wrongs don't make a right (not that I am saying you are wrong Girth. I am not taking sides. I have my own points of view and think for myself, so no comment on that). Just because you may find someone "offensive", does not mean that you have to be offensive to them. If that's what you do, then that makes you no better than them now does it.

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I treat people as they treat me.
Do people repeat the same waffle to you. I think not.

Respect me for standing up for Jade Goody, just as I would respect someone defending Chantelle.

Do what you want pal.

I would debate their wrong's, but never turn nasty and personal to another forum user, unless they have been offensive to me!
You've never debated any of Jades wrongs and you cannot stay off the subject of race.

However, I tend to be more restrained than some others.

Don't make me larf. Calling me uneducated was a particular low point for you.

Have a good look through past threads and the truth is out there.

Your posts tend to repeat themselves, so I'll pass on that one.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony

"Not much to say to your replies?"

Pretty predictable.

The whole situation that Jade, Jo and Danielle find themselves in, is all down to race.

To not debate that, is very stupid indeed.

I don't expect you to agree on that, as you have already made your past feelings clear. We all know that!!:cloud:

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

The thread does have the word race in it - well done for being able to read it - but to imply all Asians look the same is not the kind of debate we were looking for.

You're views on race aren't really valid as we know where you stand - 'send the bugger back' eh.

I should report that slanderous comment!

You know nothing about me, other than what you read!

That comment is making me consider ignoring all of your future posts.

Please remove the slander.:cloud:

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony

"Not much to say to your replies?"

Pretty predictable.

The whole situation that Jade, Jo and Danielle find themselves in, is all down to race.

To not debate that, is very stupid indeed.

I don't expect you to agree on that, as you have already made your past feelings clear. We all know that!!:cloud:

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!
.

The thread does have the word race in it - well done for being able to read it - but to imply all Asians look the same is not the kind of debate we were looking for.

Post Edited

I should report that slanderous comment!

You know nothing about me, other than what you read!

That comment is making me consider ignoring all of your future posts.

Please remove the slander.:cloud:

In fact I'll correct the spelling mistake

Dr43%er

14-03-2007, 11:27 AM

Please remove the slander.

Come on nodis. I told you about this over at JDonline. It's libel, not slander. Of course you would have to prove that your good character had been damaged to others. As no one knows who you really are, this is not possible.

Please keep up.

Dr43%er

14-03-2007, 11:28 AM

Dam. I tried, honest.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

That was the title on the front page of The Star as you can see. The actual story is not about race so drop it now please before it gets out of hand. We have discussed race issues with you before. We are quite aware of your views and do not need to go over it all again.

Jade-Haters vs Jade-Supporters.

Of course, anyone who support's Jade, Danielle or Jo must have racial views themselves?

That is what you are saying? I think!

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

That was the title on the front page of The Star as you can see. The actual story is not about race so drop it now please before it gets out of hand. We have discussed race issues with you before. We are quite aware of your views and do not need to go over it all again.

Jade-Haters vs Jade-Supporters.

Of course, anyone who support's Jade, Danielle or Jo must have racial views themselves?

That is what you are saying? I think!

Everybody has different racial views. I am just saying we are well aware of each others. The story is about Jade wanting to appear on the cover of Asiana in a sari. Why do you think she would want to do that?

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Jade-Haters vs Jade-Supporters.

Why do you assume we are Jade-Haters. It's so childish like being at school. take That or Boyzone. Why do we have to be in one camp do you think people are that one dimensional.

Of course, anyone who support's Jade, Danielle or Jo must have racial views themselves?

What a huge leap much like your 'all Asians look the same' leap

That is what you are saying? I think!
Would you be surprised to hear that's not what I'm saying. You're trying - much like Jade - to claim that people are against you.

James

14-03-2007, 11:35 AM

Getting a bit heated here. Best if you get back on-topic and discuss the story in question rather than each other...

Jade Goody is boring.

There back on-topic. :hugesmile:

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

The topic title says: Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

I see the word, (race) in there! Whoops!

That was the title on the front page of The Star as you can see. The actual story is not about race so drop it now please before it gets out of hand. We have discussed race issues with you before. We are quite aware of your views and do not need to go over it all again.

Jade-Haters vs Jade-Supporters.

Of course, anyone who support's Jade, Danielle or Jo must have racial views themselves?

That is what you are saying? I think!

Everybody has different racial views. I am just saying we are well aware of each others. The story is about Jade wanting to appear on the cover of Asiana in a sari. Why do you think she would want to do that?

I would expect, ("just trying to be judgemental here"), That, Jade Goody would think that it would help her situation.

I know that her India trip was a good thing.

She gave money away to a worthy charity.

Sadly, people do hate her and if she can help the situation further, then she will.

I would imagine that she is still thinking of her children and also, wanting to feel safer anyway.

Also, Jade Goody may have come up with this idea over a bowl of "Cornflakes?" (as quick as that!)

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
The race issue is a very touchy issue, agreed!Such insight.

All you have to do is say the word, "the" next to the word, "Inidan" and someone will scrutinize it and call a forum user racist.
There you go again. 'The Indian' is a racially motivated comment. I don't remember anybody calling anybody in BB 'the gay' or 'the Irish. You seem to think that kind of thing is OK. And hence, I form an opinion of you that concludes that you're racist. I'm not doing this on my own. You are contributing more than you'll ever know.

I hope Big Brother 8 has less people with that opinion, or we will have "January" all over again, due to lesser things said. Me too.

I know Jade Goody is not perfect! I have said that, but naturally, as a supporter of her, it is not for me to point out Jade's faults! It is up to others to point out and prove her wrongs, if she is wrong or can be proved! That's the point. All you ever do is say 'Jade Goody is not perfect' then , when one of us points something specific out you simply skate over it like it's no big deal and you have some kind of pipeline to 'Jade Goody's' thoughts..

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 12:12 PM

After careful deliberation and a little bit of polite persuasion, I've decided to edit the post that offended nodisharmony. I completely stand by what I said but for the sake of keeping the peace, I've decided to be the bigger man and back down.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by GiRTh
After careful deliberation and a little bit of polite persuasion, I've decided to edit the post that offended nodisharmony. I completely stand by what I said but for the sake of keeping the peace, I've decided to be the bigger man and back down.

Peace and nodisharmony go together hand in hand!

Your opinions are based on UTU's from "x" & "y" who I don't need to name.

All I ask, is, try to have less scrutiny over what is said by anybody.

Jade Goody may not be such an expert in being careful.

She's a cockney and is used to mixing with many who don't be careful. (You know what I mean?)

The word "the" and "Indian", may have the word, "beautiful" inbetween the two.

But you could easily edit that to sound different, if you take the word, "beautiful" out of the quote.

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 12:44 PM

Yes, but there is a difference between "editing" and "quoting". I could raise issue with the "cockney" thing as I live in East London, and am used to stereotypical comments, but I won't.

Lauren

14-03-2007, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
She's a cockney and is used to mixing with many who don't be careful. (You know what I mean?)

Sorry... what? :conf:

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
Yes, but there is a difference between "editing" and "quoting". I could raise issue with the "cockney" thing as I live in East London, and am used to stereotypical comments, but I won't.

That would be over scrutizing.

You know what I mean..

Nowhere

14-03-2007, 01:10 PM

I think it's pathetic Jade kept insisting she should wear the sari, even when she was told it was a bad idea. I can't see how she thought this would be a step forward, she's doing more damage as time goes by. Please Jade.. just go.

:dog:

Arneldo

14-03-2007, 01:16 PM

I think its probley the usual Danielle Star rubbish again, trying again to break Jade down yet supporting Danielle.

spacebandit

14-03-2007, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Ask twenty white-skinned men, woman and children at random and see if I'm right?

Go up to an Indian woman in the street and call her *******awallah, see if she is offended and/or thinks its racist.

Then go up to any Asian in the street and call them poppodum, see if they think its racist and / or are offended.

Then after you are released from the police station or hospital you can come back on here and tell us how you got on.

GiRTh

14-03-2007, 02:32 PM

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 03:03 PM

Mrluvaluva

14-03-2007, 03:11 PM

Fukawallah.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
Fukawallah.

Whoops! :hello:

spacebandit

14-03-2007, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony

Ask twenty white-skinned men, woman and children at random and see if I'm right?

Go up to an Indian woman in the street and call her *******awallah, see if she is offended and/or thinks its racist.

Then go up to any Asian in the street and call them poppodum, see if they think its racist and / or are offended.

Then after you are released from the police station or hospital you can come back on here and tell us how you got on.

You've missed the point!

Read through the whole topic and every post.

It is not about those two words. Fawallah & poppodum

No, you miss the point and again I suspect deliberately.

You suggest asking twenty white men a question to see if you are right.

You deny there was anything racist in what the repulsive harpy did -

So I suggested you put your money where your mouth is, use your heroines words in the street to people of Asian descent and see where that gets you...

Of course you need to change the subject, that is what you are.

nodisharmony

14-03-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony

Ask twenty white-skinned men, woman and children at random and see if I'm right?

Go up to an Indian woman in the street and call her *******awallah, see if she is offended and/or thinks its racist.

Then go up to any Asian in the street and call them poppodum, see if they think its racist and / or are offended.

Then after you are released from the police station or hospital you can come back on here and tell us how you got on.

You've missed the point!

Read through the whole topic and every post.

It is not about those two words. Fawallah & poppodum

No, you miss the point and again I suspect deliberately.

You suggest asking twenty white men a question to see if you are right.

You deny there was anything racist in what the repulsive harpy did -

So I suggested you put your money where your mouth is, use your heroines words in the street to people of Asian descent and see where that gets you...

Of course you need to change the subject, that is what you are.

In relation to this quote in the Newspaper:-

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But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)
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I suspect that you missed the point we were debating earlier.

It got pretty heated earlier, but it is nice and cool now.

Many passionate views for the girl on everybody's lips.

Jade Goody

Dr43%er

14-03-2007, 06:53 PM

Nodis, as you are the king of not sticking to the theme of the thread, why not humor Spacebandit and answer his question rather than saying it is not what you were debating?

spacebandit

15-03-2007, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

She could offer nothing at all, but Jade Goody is not like that and will try to make peace for all, especially as the investigation from the police is over and the C.P.S has given their legal verdict, which is in the three girl's favour!

No they have given an "opinion", theres plenty of dictionaries available online
_____________________________________________

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

So they all look alike ??, this is not the first overtly racist comment you have made, its meaning is quite clear, even when tarted up in pretend pigeon english.

No wonder you want to defend them, you are just alike.

next you'll be trying to say the pig didn't do any bullying.

nodisharmony

15-03-2007, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony

Ask twenty white-skinned men, woman and children at random and see if I'm right?

Go up to an Indian woman in the street and call her *******awallah, see if she is offended and/or thinks its racist.

Then go up to any Asian in the street and call them poppodum, see if they think its racist and / or are offended.

Then after you are released from the police station or hospital you can come back on here and tell us how you got on.

Okay, you need an answer?

If you went to an Asian man or woman and said, "F*kawallah or Poppodum" they may get offended?

Some may not.

Jade Goody didn't say those words directly to Shilpa, so that excuses Jade a bit.

The reason I say that, is, it is quite easy to get upset, especially when Jade was told to take elecution lessons and also, told to "Shut Up" a few times.

That wasn't very nice.

Jade has admitted that she said these offensive words and has said sorry to everybody who was offended.

She also said sorry to Shilpa in the house and that was there for us to all see.

I hope that clears that up?

______________________________________________

The original topic was about Jade making a mistake with identity.

That is easy to do and don't get all worked up about that. It is very trivial indeed.
______________________________________________

Regarding your other assumptions about my personal judgements regarding racism.

It is better to keep that to UTU messages.

I would rather stick to the debate on the forum, thanks. :hello:

spacebandit

15-03-2007, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Regarding your other assumptions about my personal judgements regarding racism.

It is better to keep that to UTU messages.

I would rather stick to the debate on the forum, thanks. :hello:

Whatever - when someone is an apologist for the racist behaviour of someone, and has themselves posted racist comments, it becomes pertinent, as it explains to members presented with post after post ad nauseum of the same old waffle the mindset of the apologist.

the same goes for bullying, online bullying in the form of removing and editing posts to silence contrary opinion in the position of a board moderator, also becomes pertinent, as it explains the motivations of the poster. Especially when that poster floods a board with the same repeated excuses tio "defend" its heroine, then crys foul when they are called what they are.

Like defends like.

I make no assumptions about your personal judgements, I make my assumptions about you based on your own words and deeds.

Sunny_01

15-03-2007, 09:20 PM

[/quote]If you went to an Asian man or woman and said, "F*kawallah or Poppodum" they may get offended?

Some may not.

Jade Goody didn't say those words directly to Shilpa, so that excuses Jade a bit.

The reason I say that, is, it is quite easy to get upset, especially when Jade was told to take elecution lessons and also, told to "Shut Up" a few times.

That wasn't very nice.

Jade has admitted that she said these offensive words and has said sorry to everybody who was offended.

She also said sorry to Shilpa in the house and that was there for us to all see.

I hope that clears that up?
: [/quote]

Ok so as long as she didnt say those things directly to Shilpa makes it ok!

She said sorry to Shilpa - oh well I suppose that makes everything ok then :bored:

Ruth

16-03-2007, 07:54 AM

nodisharmony - are you saying that it's okay to say all manner of nasty things about anybody, as long as it's behind their back? So if people want to make all sorts of nasty comments about you, you're okay with it as long as they don't say it directly to you?

Sunny_01

16-03-2007, 10:11 AM

I think that some people will roll out every excuse they can to defend racism or bad behaviour :nono:

I was offended by the remarks that were made by Jade et al but I suppose that doesnt matter, I was also disgusted that she thought that saying sorry would make things go away. Its just a word to some people and unless it is said with genuine remorse is worthless.

nodisharmony

16-03-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think that some people will roll out every excuse they can to defend racism or bad behaviour :nono:

I was offended by the remarks that were made by Jade et al but I suppose that doesnt matter, I was also disgusted that she thought that saying sorry would make things go away. Its just a word to some people and unless it is said with genuine remorse is worthless.

Jade Goody did say sorry numorous times.

Jo and Danielle didn't go that far, really!

We also saw Jade go up to Shilpa and explain why she did say the things she did. This was fact, because we all saw it.

Jade did say those two comments,"F*Wallah & Popodom".

Shilpa also, chose to NOT make a complaint. She also did not consider Jade to be a racist person either.

If you are a supporter of Shilpa Shetty, then, you would also trust her judgement completely. If Shilpa's judgement does not tally with your judgement. Then, that is tough!

_________________________________________

Regarding the word, "Racism".
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Some people are completely racist and make that very clear.

Other people, are, part-time-racists. This usually means, that, on the rare occasion, when a white person comes into contact with an ethnic minority or brown or black skin colour and an argument takes place, or a moment of violence.

I won't elaborate on examples.

Then, a comment may come out, in a moment of rage or anger. Much of the time, it was never meant!

But, as many of those types find words or sentances which contain, perhaps "racial-over-tones"? Then, many of those types can get hurt. Claiming that they have experienced racism. When, this happens, the person saying this, gets a moment of self-satisfaction, as they know it has offended that person at that moment in time.

If Jade, Jo & Danielle felt that Shilpa Shetty patronised them, or, looked down at them, then it can be "just", for all of those girls to say what they think of Shilpa.

Naturally, in the Big Brother house, they needed to show restraint! I feel that some of what they said, was over the top.

I also feel that, Jade Goody did more than enough to say sorry and also, gave her entire fees for the show and interviews was very generous, even though, every word, phrase, sentance was not that bad.

Dr43%er

16-03-2007, 01:02 PM

Other people, are, part-time-racists.

Me, I am only racist on Mondays and every 3rd Sunday.

Remember nodis, you are special, not different.

Ruth

16-03-2007, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody did say sorry numorous times.

Yes - in a bid to save her career.

Jo and Danielle didn't go that far, really!

Danielle actually did apologise. Jo hasn't, and has come in for some criticism for not doing so.

We also saw Jade go up to Shilpa and explain why she did say the things she did. This was fact, because we all saw it.

Yes...I'm sure it's pure coincidence that this conversation took place as soon as jade had been called into the diary room and warned about her behaviour - and I guess it's pure coincidence that she spoke to Shilpa as soon as the penny dropped that she might be perceived as racist.

Jade did say those two comments,"F*Wallah & Popodom".

Shilpa also, chose to NOT make a complaint. She also did not consider Jade to be a racist person either.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Just because a complaint is not made, does not mean that the alleged victim does not think that a crime has been committed. Lots of victims of all sorts of crimes don't report the crime, or don't press charges.

If you are a supporter of Shilpa Shetty, then, you would also trust her judgement completely. If Shilpa's judgement does not tally with your judgement. Then, that is tough!

I liked Shilpa. I didn't want her to win though. But you know what? Just because you like someone does not mean that you have to agree with everything they say, and does not mean that you should completely trust their judgement. I realise that this may be difficult for you to understand, given that you seem to believe every word that comes out of Jade's mouth, but the fact is - you are allowed to have your own opinions.

Some people are completely racist and make that very clear.

Other people, are, part-time-racists. This usually means, that, on the rare occasion, when a white person comes into contact with an ethnic minority or brown or black skin colour and an argument takes place, or a moment of violence.

So can you clarify something for me please? Are you saying that it's okay to be a part-time racist? Are you really trying to defend that? And - are you saying that Jade is one of these part-time racists? Because, let's be clear about this - there's no such thing as part-time racism. Anyone who would fit your definition of a part-time racist is most definitely a full-time racist.

Then, a comment may come out, in a moment of rage or anger. Much of the time, it was never meant!

We all say things in anger, that's true. But if your insults are based on that persons colour or race, then that is racist.

But, as many of those types find words or sentances which contain, perhaps "racial-over-tones"? Then, many of those types can get hurt. Claiming that they have experienced racism. When, this happens, the person saying this, gets a moment of self-satisfaction, as they know it has offended that person at that moment in time.

It's fair enough to claim that you have experienced racism, if you actually have experienced racism.

If Jade, Jo & Danielle felt that Shilpa Shetty patronised them, or, looked down at them, then it can be "just", for all of those girls to say what they think of Shilpa.

No, no, no. If they had have said that they didn't like Shilpa because she was controlling or patronising, or whatever, that's one thing. Making fun of her name (e.g., Shilpa Poppadom), or using racial insults is absolutely irrelevant to the reason that they are claiming that they don't like her.

Naturally, in the Big Brother house, they needed to show restraint! I feel that some of what they said, was over the top.

That seems like you are contradicting yourself. First of all you say that they had to show restraint, then you say that some of what they said was over the top:puzzled: maybe I've misunderstood what you were trying to say?

I also feel that, Jade Goody did more than enough to say sorry and also, gave her entire fees for the show and interviews was very generous, even though, every word, phrase, sentance was not that bad.

Believe that if you want. She only suddenly became remorseful when she was warned that her behaviour could be perceived as being racist. Coincidence?

Mrluvaluva

16-03-2007, 01:11 PM

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Then, a comment may come out, in a moment of rage or anger. Much of the time, it was never meant!

You are right. Comments come out when tempers fly. The thing is, when most people argue, or say things in a moment of rage, they don't think before they speak, and things that are at the back of their mind do come out.

spacebandit

16-03-2007, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Other people, are, part-time-racists. This usually means, that, on the rare occasion, when a white person comes into contact with an ethnic minority or brown or black skin colour and an argument takes place, or a moment of violence.

I won't elaborate on examples.

Racists always come up with excuses to excuse their language. Freedom of speech is the usual one, but saying that some people are part time racists really takes the biscuit.

it has to be the most risible comment you have ever made.

so when you said previously that immigrants come here because they like the "free benefits", they get "free this and free that",

when you say the immigrants have "the law on their side" as opposed to "white english" fighting in Iraq, as opposed to "white families" or as opposed to "english who help old people " [presumably ethnic minorities don't help old people]...where you just being "part time racist" or something else. Seeing how you brought up the explanation of "part time racists" should I take it that this is how you view yourself ?, as I don't see anything part time about you.

I have screen grabs in case you need your memory jogging.

pete_bennet

16-03-2007, 01:31 PM

if big brother had of been coloured id say she would have been through out of the house well right enough no one knows what colour the many voices of big brother is

Sunny_01

16-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Nodisharmony - you have a very limited view of the world of Jade Goddy. It appears in you eyes she is not able to do any wrong and if she does then its all made better when she rolls out the word sorry!

Part time racist - never heard anything so ridiculous in my whole life! where on earth did that little gem come from. Thats like saying you can be a part time christian or muslim!

I am not a Shilpa fan and just because I choose to defend her over Jade Goody does not make my opinion limited. I very much liked and respected Jade before she went into the house and have in the past defended her. She really made something of herself after BB. Now however she has gone down in my opinion with her terrible behaviour and then her desperate attempts to make things right. All Jade see's is pound signs and how much she can make out of any situation which in this case is extremely sad.

All 3 girls were unwise in the way they behaved and if people would just accept that then rows like this would not continue. It is the blind following of them that people find frustrating and annoying, not the situation.

nodisharmony

16-03-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er

Other people, are, part-time-racists.

Me, I am only racist on Mondays and every 3rd Sunday.

Remember nodis, you are special, not different.

I suspect, "Dr43%er", that you would class (murder) below (racism)!

I know where your priorities lye.

Believe-you-me, I do watch you....:cloud:

Mrluvaluva

16-03-2007, 06:02 PM

Stop it now please. It's getting a wee bit wierd!

nodisharmony

16-03-2007, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody did say sorry numorous times.

Yes - in a bid to save her career.

Jo and Danielle didn't go that far, really!

Danielle actually did apologise. Jo hasn't, and has come in for some criticism for not doing so.

We also saw Jade go up to Shilpa and explain why she did say the things she did. This was fact, because we all saw it.

Yes...I'm sure it's pure coincidence that this conversation took place as soon as jade had been called into the diary room and warned about her behaviour - and I guess it's pure coincidence that she spoke to Shilpa as soon as the penny dropped that she might be perceived as racist.

Jade did say those two comments,"F*Wallah & Popodom".

Shilpa also, chose to NOT make a complaint. She also did not consider Jade to be a racist person either.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Just because a complaint is not made, does not mean that the alleged victim does not think that a crime has been committed. Lots of victims of all sorts of crimes don't report the crime, or don't press charges.

If you are a supporter of Shilpa Shetty, then, you would also trust her judgement completely. If Shilpa's judgement does not tally with your judgement. Then, that is tough!

I liked Shilpa. I didn't want her to win though. But you know what? Just because you like someone does not mean that you have to agree with everything they say, and does not mean that you should completely trust their judgement. I realise that this may be difficult for you to understand, given that you seem to believe every word that comes out of Jade's mouth, but the fact is - you are allowed to have your own opinions.

Some people are completely racist and make that very clear.

Other people, are, part-time-racists. This usually means, that, on the rare occasion, when a white person comes into contact with an ethnic minority or brown or black skin colour and an argument takes place, or a moment of violence.

So can you clarify something for me please? Are you saying that it's okay to be a part-time racist? Are you really trying to defend that? And - are you saying that Jade is one of these part-time racists? Because, let's be clear about this - there's no such thing as part-time racism. Anyone who would fit your definition of a part-time racist is most definitely a full-time racist.

Then, a comment may come out, in a moment of rage or anger. Much of the time, it was never meant!

We all say things in anger, that's true. But if your insults are based on that persons colour or race, then that is racist.

But, as many of those types find words or sentances which contain, perhaps "racial-over-tones"? Then, many of those types can get hurt. Claiming that they have experienced racism. When, this happens, the person saying this, gets a moment of self-satisfaction, as they know it has offended that person at that moment in time.

It's fair enough to claim that you have experienced racism, if you actually have experienced racism.

If Jade, Jo & Danielle felt that Shilpa Shetty patronised them, or, looked down at them, then it can be "just", for all of those girls to say what they think of Shilpa.

No, no, no. If they had have said that they didn't like Shilpa because she was controlling or patronising, or whatever, that's one thing. Making fun of her name (e.g., Shilpa Poppadom), or using racial insults is absolutely irrelevant to the reason that they are claiming that they don't like her.

Naturally, in the Big Brother house, they needed to show restraint! I feel that some of what they said, was over the top.

That seems like you are contradicting yourself. First of all you say that they had to show restraint, then you say that some of what they said was over the top:puzzled: maybe I've misunderstood what you were trying to say?

I also feel that, Jade Goody did more than enough to say sorry and also, gave her entire fees for the show and interviews was very generous, even though, every word, phrase, sentance was not that bad.

Believe that if you want. She only suddenly became remorseful when she was warned that her behaviour could be perceived as being racist. Coincidence?

A lot of questions to answer here Ruth?

I don't have too much time today, so I shall have to be a little brief.

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Jade said sorry, for her children and she realised that she had offended some people and wanted to make things right.
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I agree that Danielle was slightly apologetic & Jo wasn't so. It did mess Jo up & I agree with you.
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Jade obviously looked concerned, after she went into the Diary Room and Big Brother mentioned their concerns. She apologised to Shilpa immediately. Jade is owning up to her mistakes and not messing about either.
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Shilpa chose not to complain, probably because, Shilpa is a nice natured person and although she was disgusted with Jade, Jo and Danielles behavior, she didn't want to be known as a troublemaker to offensive remarks on an edited show
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I didn't want Shilpa to win either. Also, people don't have to trust Shilpa's judgement & choices of decisions. But many do and that is the "tough" part of my previous comment.
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The (part-time-racist) comment, is basically a way of explaining people who for 99% of the time, will treat people equally, however, if they meet someone who is Asian or Black or whatever, if they were assaulted by someone of that category, or slaggged off in a major way, an odd word or phrase may slip out in a moment of anger. I would say that it is better to do that, than assault someone physically.

Part 2 of your question, Is Jade Goody a part time racist?

The answer:- Only Jade herself would know that.

But, for many watching the edited footage, they may believe that those offensive words and comments, with possible racial-over-tones could convince certain people that she is.

Hardly enough to go on, really!!!
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If you say something in anger, or a moment of rage.

Then, we all can slip up.
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Nobody can experience racism, unless they have had racial abuse hurled at them.

But, if you are an English white woman? Then, would it be the same way?
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Jade and Jo and Danielle didn't like Shilpa. That is it!!

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Regarding the restraint part and the over-the-top part.

Some was over-the-top and the way the girls handled some of the situations were more restraint.

It is more of an educated assumption than a fact! so it is just a debate on that score, Ruth...
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Jade was remorseful. She does care and I can look a the various interviews and see how well she makes us understand the truth, which comes from her own lips.

nodisharmony

16-03-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Then, a comment may come out, in a moment of rage or anger. Much of the time, it was never meant!

You are right. Comments come out when tempers fly. The thing is, when most people argue, or say things in a moment of rage, they don't think before they speak, and things that are at the back of their mind do come out.

I agree with that and even though Jade and Jo and Danielle said stuff.

Many was over-the-top and if Jade hadn't apologised, I would be angry too.

But Jade did and I feel that people should accept it and also, many should think the worse, but don't dwell on it and let her get her life back on track and get back to good-old-Jade, that many did love.

nodisharmony

16-03-2007, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Nodisharmony - you have a very limited view of the world of Jade Goddy. It appears in you eyes she is not able to do any wrong and if she does then its all made better when she rolls out the word sorry!

Part time racist - never heard anything so ridiculous in my whole life! where on earth did that little gem come from. Thats like saying you can be a part time christian or muslim!

I am not a Shilpa fan and just because I choose to defend her over Jade Goody does not make my opinion limited. I very much liked and respected Jade before she went into the house and have in the past defended her. She really made something of herself after BB. Now however she has gone down in my opinion with her terrible behaviour and then her desperate attempts to make things right. All Jade see's is pound signs and how much she can make out of any situation which in this case is extremely sad.

All 3 girls were unwise in the way they behaved and if people would just accept that then rows like this would not continue. It is the blind following of them that people find frustrating and annoying, not the situation.

Jade Goody said many things which offended people.

This is very true. I won't defend Jade for being right on hurting many people's feelings. She did hurt people's feelings and she did this without realising.

This is because, she has been a housemate twice before and also acted in the same way before.

Jade Goody is a name which we all know and many love.

She and anyone else can only assume that people like Jade Goody for being this way. Why would she be liked for acting nice on reality shows, when, she doesn't act nice and people love her and spend money on her products.

This kind of contradicts what some people say, when her apparent bullyish nature is all there for us to see?

If people hate that nature that we see, then, why is she so popular.

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If Jade was a racist? Then, she wouldn't want to pose in a "sari" in an Indian magazine.

If Jade made a silly comment about confusion over ethnic origin, it is just an easy mistake to make.

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My view of Jade Goody is not limited. It is better than you think and I know why, but choose not to say.

Jade will only know herself, what she is really like.

What you see on this year's C. Big Brother, is no worse than before. The only difference was the colour of skin of the victim.

Ruth

16-03-2007, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
A lot of questions to answer here Ruth?

I don't have too much time today, so I shall have to be a little brief.

Jade said sorry, for her children and she realised that she had offended some people and wanted to make things right.

Yep, she wanted to make things right - for herself.

Jade obviously looked concerned, after she went into the Diary Room and Big Brother mentioned their concerns. She apologised to Shilpa immediately. Jade is owning up to her mistakes and not messing about either.

You are a master at not actually answering the questions that people ask you. You go on and on and on about debate, but actually you are not debating one bit. You are absolutely refusing to even take any notice of anything that anyone says who doesn't agree with you.

Regarding Jade's apology. So we agree that it was only after Jade had been warned by BB of how her behaviour was being perceived that she apologised. She clearly didn't care one iota for Shilpa's feelings before they warned her. Why would she suddenly care afterwards? She apologised because she thought people would think badly of her, and she was worried about herself. That was utterly transparent, unless of course you refused to see it.

Shilpa chose not to complain, probably because, Shilpa is a nice natured person and although she was disgusted with Jade, Jo and Danielles behavior, she didn't want to be known as a troublemaker to offensive remarks on an edited show

So now you are saying that Shilpa was disgusted by Jade, Jo and Danielle's behaviour. And you are saying that she didn't complain because she didn't want to be a trouble maker. Yet earlier, you said that she didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about. If you are right that she didn't want to cause trouble then that says plenty about Shilpa's nature. It does not for one second suggest that Jade and co did nothing wrong.

I didn't want Shilpa to win either. Also, people don't have to trust Shilpa's judgement & choices of decisions. But many do and that is the "tough" part of my previous comment.

So, I could say 'tough' then about the fact that you seem to trust Jade's judgement and choices and decisions. In fact, you not only seem to trust them, but to defend them fiercely.

The (part-time-racist) comment, is basically a way of explaining people who for 99% of the time, will treat people equally, however, if they meet someone who is Asian or Black or whatever, if they were assaulted by someone of that category, or slaggged off in a major way, an odd word or phrase may slip out in a moment of anger. I would say that it is better to do that, than assault someone physically.

Riiiiight. I must have missed the bits where Shilpa assaulted Jade, Jo or Danielle or slagged them off in a major way then. But you know what? Even if Shilpa had behaved like a complete and utter bitch in that house, it would still not justify the racial remarks they made. If someone treats you badly (and I don't remember Shilpa actually treating any of them badly), you have every right to be angry at them. Still doesn't make it right to make racist comments to them or about them.

Part 2 of your question, Is Jade Goody a part time racist?

The answer:- Only Jade herself would know that.

Okay - I don't actually remember asking that, but the point is - there is no such thing as a part time racist. Would you say someone is a part time vegetarian if they ate no meat all week, but ate a bacon sandwich every Sunday?

But, for many watching the edited footage, they may believe that those offensive words and comments, with possible racial-over-tones could convince certain people that she is.

Oh yes, the editing. We all know BB is edited. But they didn't put those words into her mouth did they? She said them. And those offensive words and comments were what made people think she is a racist - not the editing.

If you say something in anger, or a moment of rage.

Then, we all can slip up.

Yes - some of us slip up and let out our true feelings about other colours or other races.

Nobody can experience racism, unless they have had racial abuse hurled at them.

But, if you are an English white woman? Then, would it be the same way?

Not sure what you are asking. Are you saying that white people cannot experience racism? What planet are you living on?

Jade and Jo and Danielle didn't like Shilpa. That is it!!

No, it isn't it. Not liking someone is one thing. Making racist comments about them is another thing entirely.

Regarding the restraint part and the over-the-top part.

Some was over-the-top and the way the girls handled some of the situations were more restraint.

In which situations did they show restraint? What 'situations' are you referring to? What did Shilpa ever do to them that would make them have to show restraint?

Jade was remorseful. She does care and I can look a the various interviews and see how well she makes us understand the truth, which comes from her own lips.

I can look at those interviews as well. I see something quite different to you.

Ruth

16-03-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody said many things which offended people.

This is very true. I won't defend Jade for being right on hurting many people's feelings. She did hurt people's feelings and she did this without realising.

Yeah....she probably didn't realise how mouthing off and calling someone names could possibly be seen as being nasty.:rolleyes:

This is because, she has been a housemate twice before and also acted in the same way before.

Jade Goody is a name which we all know and many love.

And many don't love. Her behaviour before made just as many people dislike her as like her.

She and anyone else can only assume that people like Jade Goody for being this way. Why would she be liked for acting nice on reality shows, when, she doesn't act nice and people love her and spend money on her products.

Do you remember BB3? She was hated. She managed to turn it around before the end, but she behaved horribly in the house. It appears that she has not learnt any lessons.

If people hate that nature that we see, then, why is she so popular.

Erm...last time I looked, she really wasn't popular at all.

If Jade was a racist? Then, she wouldn't want to pose in a "sari" in an Indian magazine.

Surely you can't be that naive? Her posing in a Sari was a rather obscene and pathetic way of trying to prove that she wasn't a racist. Unfortunately, she had already proved that she is.

My view of Jade Goody is not limited. It is better than you think and I know why, but choose not to say.

Oh this is getting old now. You expect us all to believe every word you say and refuse to give any reason why we should do.

Sunny_01

16-03-2007, 11:16 PM

Ruth I wouldnt worry to much about people who wont put their money where their mouth is. Cloak and dagger usually means "I know nothing"

Wearing a Sari now means Jade cant possibly be racist, now that one really did make me laugh. It was another feeble attempt to gain publicity and to try and weedle her way back into the publics affections.

nodisharmony

17-03-2007, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
A lot of questions to answer here Ruth?

I don't have too much time today, so I shall have to be a little brief.

Jade said sorry, for her children and she realised that she had offended some people and wanted to make things right.

Yep, she wanted to make things right - for herself.

Jade obviously looked concerned, after she went into the Diary Room and Big Brother mentioned their concerns. She apologised to Shilpa immediately. Jade is owning up to her mistakes and not messing about either.

You are a master at not actually answering the questions that people ask you. You go on and on and on about debate, but actually you are not debating one bit. You are absolutely refusing to even take any notice of anything that anyone says who doesn't agree with you.

Regarding Jade's apology. So we agree that it was only after Jade had been warned by BB of how her behaviour was being perceived that she apologised. She clearly didn't care one iota for Shilpa's feelings before they warned her. Why would she suddenly care afterwards? She apologised because she thought people would think badly of her, and she was worried about herself. That was utterly transparent, unless of course you refused to see it.

Shilpa chose not to complain, probably because, Shilpa is a nice natured person and although she was disgusted with Jade, Jo and Danielles behavior, she didn't want to be known as a troublemaker to offensive remarks on an edited show

So now you are saying that Shilpa was disgusted by Jade, Jo and Danielle's behaviour. And you are saying that she didn't complain because she didn't want to be a trouble maker. Yet earlier, you said that she didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about. If you are right that she didn't want to cause trouble then that says plenty about Shilpa's nature. It does not for one second suggest that Jade and co did nothing wrong.

I didn't want Shilpa to win either. Also, people don't have to trust Shilpa's judgement & choices of decisions. But many do and that is the "tough" part of my previous comment.

So, I could say 'tough' then about the fact that you seem to trust Jade's judgement and choices and decisions. In fact, you not only seem to trust them, but to defend them fiercely.

The (part-time-racist) comment, is basically a way of explaining people who for 99% of the time, will treat people equally, however, if they meet someone who is Asian or Black or whatever, if they were assaulted by someone of that category, or slaggged off in a major way, an odd word or phrase may slip out in a moment of anger. I would say that it is better to do that, than assault someone physically.

Riiiiight. I must have missed the bits where Shilpa assaulted Jade, Jo or Danielle or slagged them off in a major way then. But you know what? Even if Shilpa had behaved like a complete and utter bitch in that house, it would still not justify the racial remarks they made. If someone treats you badly (and I don't remember Shilpa actually treating any of them badly), you have every right to be angry at them. Still doesn't make it right to make racist comments to them or about them.

Part 2 of your question, Is Jade Goody a part time racist?

The answer:- Only Jade herself would know that.

Okay - I don't actually remember asking that, but the point is - there is no such thing as a part time racist. Would you say someone is a part time vegetarian if they ate no meat all week, but ate a bacon sandwich every Sunday?

But, for many watching the edited footage, they may believe that those offensive words and comments, with possible racial-over-tones could convince certain people that she is.

Oh yes, the editing. We all know BB is edited. But they didn't put those words into her mouth did they? She said them. And those offensive words and comments were what made people think she is a racist - not the editing.

If you say something in anger, or a moment of rage.

Then, we all can slip up.

Yes - some of us slip up and let out our true feelings about other colours or other races.

Nobody can experience racism, unless they have had racial abuse hurled at them.

But, if you are an English white woman? Then, would it be the same way?

Not sure what you are asking. Are you saying that white people cannot experience racism? What planet are you living on?

Jade and Jo and Danielle didn't like Shilpa. That is it!!

No, it isn't it. Not liking someone is one thing. Making racist comments about them is another thing entirely.

Regarding the restraint part and the over-the-top part.

Some was over-the-top and the way the girls handled some of the situations were more restraint.

In which situations did they show restraint? What 'situations' are you referring to? What did Shilpa ever do to them that would make them have to show restraint?

Jade was remorseful. She does care and I can look a the various interviews and see how well she makes us understand the truth, which comes from her own lips.

I can look at those interviews as well. I see something quite different to you.

You say, Ruth, that Jade wanted to make things right for herself?

Jade Goody has two children. Also, she has worked out, that, many people were offended and danger could & probably would follow. So, I would imagine that, her children's safety would be paramount on her mind!

A decent mother would agree on that! But you can keep on saying it is selfish-Jade time, if you want?
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I saw on Celebrity Big Brother quite well, regarding Jade Goody's sudden apology to Shilpa Shetty, after visiting the Diary Room. I have got eyes!

Also, I have a brain and can work out quite easily, that the show gets edited.

Jade left the diary room.

Next minute, she talks to Shilpa outside.

WoW Wee, so quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would, more than believe that, maybe there was more to this than meets the eye. Jade may have had this discussion with Shilpa, a bit later. But, that hardly puts Jade Goody in the clear. So, what about the Diary Room.

Did we see the whole conversation?

Did we see the whole Shilpa/Jade conversation?

Maybe there was a lot more to see, but we didn't see or know about it.

Jade Goody may have been under pressure, that is true!
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I said that Shilpa did'nt complain, as there was nothing to complain about. This is quite evident.

At the time that Shilpa was in the BB house, she can only judge from what she saw and heard.

She heard no racial-over-tones.

Anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't.

But anyway, Jade had said nothing which Shilpa had heard, except abuse in an argument and odd dirty looks from the three girls, which was mostly about the chicken & the oxo cube incident. Plus, perhaps they felt patronised by her.

Later, when Shilpa left the BB house, she wouldhave learnt quickly about the hidden comments, which we all saw, but Shilpa didn't at that time.

At that point, Shilpa could have proceeded to a complaint.

However, she didn't. It is likely that she doesn't want to be known as a trouble-maker and many would assume that Shilpa was offended by abusive remarks, we only have the newspapers to go by.

Not Enough for me! sorry Ruth!

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The "Tough" comment is targeted at Jade-Haters, who don't like her, because of what they saw in January.

Her success is very evident.

If Jade's bullyish nature is so bad to you today, then, why has she been so successful.

I would say it is the racial angle which makes you and others brings Jade's past behavior to light.

That is the part, before you assume that she is a racist.

Funny that?

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I do defend Jade fiercely! Other's choose not to.

Some defend Jo, A massive bunch support Shilpa, and so on..

What's the point Ruth?

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Shilpa never assaulted anybody or was abusive in a major way.

I never said that.

What I did say about the Part-time-racist's, is, that anyone who does get assaulted or really slaggged off, could say a racial comment in a moment of madness.

Hence, the (Part-Time) angle.

Jade, Danielle & Jo are not racist people. If they are Part-Time, then, only they know this and would not say.

Oh Yeah! Just to re-clarify things, The C.P.S have dropped the charge and all comments were only offensive words and phrases.

I work the rest out quite easy.

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Your comparison to vegatables is rather separate to the subject of Part-Time-Racists.

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Editing can easily make people believe that offensive remarks could be made to look worse.

The words that were used, did make many people think that they may have racial-over-tones?

Jade has admitted this and is very sorry for her part in all of this.

It is true, that what Jade said is exactly what we all saw and heard, but we don't know the whole story.

Shilpa could have started this off by patronising them or saying a nasty comment, which we never saw.

It is like the saying goes, "Big things, start from little things"

Jade gets angry, very easily.
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In a fit of anger, we can say things, which we don't mean!

That is what I said earlier.

What you said, Ruth, is, that when you are angry, you give out your true feelings.

Not always the case I'm afraid.

So the girls have to be racist, because you think this, as they lost their temper. what Rubbish!!!

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Your racism comment, whereby you say that white people can't experience racism.

Okay, let's put it to the test........

An Asian man calls me a "White Idiot", okay.

Firstly, the word, "White" doesn't offend me!, it is just the "Idiot" part which may offend slightly.

If I reported it, nothing would happen. Trust me!

Now, If I reverse that and said a comment about an Asian man, using the word "Idiot" and "Asian" in the same sentance, then it is different, viewed different politically..

Why do I say, "politically?"

Well, I don't make the laws and I don't speak for the masses and I don't make the rules and fairness doesn't matter anymore. I don't need to go on any further. Otherwise, I know what you will say..... Oh yes, I'm on planet earth Ruth.
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Jade, Danielle & Jo didn't click with Shilpa.

Comments may have sounded like they had racial-over-tones.

But we still can't stick the word, (racist) to any of the girls.

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My "restraint" comment, is hard to work out and even debate about Ruth. It is hard to make assumptions of how far all four of them would have gone in a Pub, let's say.

Due to cameras, many of them, restraint is quite easy to work out.

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Well, I expect you will pick more holes in these answers and even though yourself and others may disagree?

At least I make the time to reply, with more than a one line response which would only show that I am not bothered either way. Which you can see I am bothered.

My long response just proves that I am stating the facts, much more clearly than most.

nodisharmony

17-03-2007, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody said many things which offended people.

This is very true. I won't defend Jade for being right on hurting many people's feelings. She did hurt people's feelings and she did this without realising.

Yeah....she probably didn't realise how mouthing off and calling someone names could possibly be seen as being nasty.:rolleyes:

This is because, she has been a housemate twice before and also acted in the same way before.

Jade Goody is a name which we all know and many love.

And many don't love. Her behaviour before made just as many people dislike her as like her.

She and anyone else can only assume that people like Jade Goody for being this way. Why would she be liked for acting nice on reality shows, when, she doesn't act nice and people love her and spend money on her products.

Do you remember BB3? She was hated. She managed to turn it around before the end, but she behaved horribly in the house. It appears that she has not learnt any lessons.

If people hate that nature that we see, then, why is she so popular.

Erm...last time I looked, she really wasn't popular at all.

If Jade was a racist? Then, she wouldn't want to pose in a "sari" in an Indian magazine.

Surely you can't be that naive? Her posing in a Sari was a rather obscene and pathetic way of trying to prove that she wasn't a racist. Unfortunately, she had already proved that she is.

My view of Jade Goody is not limited. It is better than you think and I know why, but choose not to say.

Oh this is getting old now. You expect us all to believe every word you say and refuse to give any reason why we should do.

Jade can quite easily be nasty on a reality show. This is what she has done before and we know this.

Many of the time, she calls people a Liar and a Fake.

Can you find any instance where Jade Goody was wrong to call someone a Liar?

Even Jo O'Meara agreed this time, during the argument.

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You are right Ruth, when you say that Jade's behavior here and now has offended people and disgusted people as well as many who find it quite funny too and love Jade too.

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The BB3 show, is what made Jade Goody into a multimillionairess which she is today.

What's your point Ruth??

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Last time you looked Ruth, Jade wasn't very popular.

I know this and I watched CBB in January and today, I am talking and defending her, because of her recent unpopularity and also, making a few realise that there is more to Jade.

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Jade Goody wearing a Sari, is probably just a quick idea of Jade, to try and further make a few people believe that she is not a racist person.

Don't assume that Jade should just give in..

She is not giving in and the evidence is there to see.

She naturally will make gestures which are nice. Many were mistakingly offended and she naturally would like things to go back to normal.

Nothing wrong there!!

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I am defending Jade on a forum which has Jade's name all over the place. What is so wrong with Jade Goody?

She's a household name.

Someone who is famous for just being herself, without all that "Class" stuff. She's not upper class or pretty. So what!

If I am defending Jade, I can and I do. Just like the big Shilpa Shetty fanbase.

Jade doesn't have a big fanbase on here and that is evident.

Who I am is neither-here-nor-there.

I don't pretend to be anything. I don't need to say anything about who I am and for those who keep asking and wondering, it is laughable.:cheer2:

Dr43%er

17-03-2007, 09:59 AM

I suspect, "Dr43%er", that you would class (murder) below (racism)!

What are you basing this "fact" on?

When was the last time an Asian person called you a "white idiot"

I have been called a white piece of **** by a group of Asians. Yes, it was racist. Did it bother me? No. I just laughed at how pathetic they were. I pointed out to them the irony of them doing what they were doing but it was lost on them as, like most racists, they were ignorant. Of course I, being white do not have a history of being discriminated against so it was very easy for me to walk away laughing. I took the power without resorting to racial insults, as i am not ignorant.

nodis, your posts are so long as they are so full of ****, not fact. Fact.

You are watching me! Ohhhhhh.

Dr43%er

17-03-2007, 10:02 AM

I don't pretend to be anything.

Another lie. You pretend not to be a racist.

Sunny_01

17-03-2007, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

It's a fairly long and typical story.

The Newspapers are jumping on Jade Goody again.

It may be Danielle and Jo next? who knows and who cares.

Anyway, There are two main points, which are easy to explain
------------------------------------------

1) Jade offering to wear Indian clothes in a magazine?

The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

She could offer nothing at all, but Jade Goody is not like that and will try to make peace for all, especially as the investigation from the police is over and the C.P.S has given their legal verdict, which is in the three girl's favour!

_____________________________________________

The other point:-

2) ‘Pakistani people are not from India’.” That is typical Jade Goody. She says funny things like that and that is just her all over.

Nothing nasty or very bad. Just a comment which comes over like that, which sounds thick! But nevermind, it is not worth worrying about.

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

If you say, "Asian people" I don't think any Indian woman or man would be offended?

I can't imagine why any Indian man or woman could ever get that worried and look at that as being offensive, even if the word, "Pakistani" was mistaken for "Sri Lanka"

It is Jade's recent quirky comment and nothing offensive!

So Jade offering to wear a Sari is not a desperate attempt to gain support and to get in the papers!, it is in fact a "generous gesture" what complete tosh! :yuk:

Yep I find Jades complete dimness funny! NOT The girl is a liability and should not be allowed outside the doors to mix with decent people who are culturally and morally aware of what is right and wrong. She wants to have a public career, ok then she had better get up to speed with what is and is not acceptable, her dimness is now wearing thin as an excuse for her terrible behaviour.

nodisharmony

17-03-2007, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by nodisharmony

It's a fairly long and typical story.

The Newspapers are jumping on Jade Goody again.

It may be Danielle and Jo next? who knows and who cares.

Anyway, There are two main points, which are easy to explain
------------------------------------------

1) Jade offering to wear Indian clothes in a magazine?

The offer from Jade to appear in the magazine in Indian clothes, is just another generous gesture from Jade Goody, to try and mend the situation further.

She could offer nothing at all, but Jade Goody is not like that and will try to make peace for all, especially as the investigation from the police is over and the C.P.S has given their legal verdict, which is in the three girl's favour!

_____________________________________________

The other point:-

2) ‘Pakistani people are not from India’.” That is typical Jade Goody. She says funny things like that and that is just her all over.

Nothing nasty or very bad. Just a comment which comes over like that, which sounds thick! But nevermind, it is not worth worrying about.

Many white-skinned people can easily make mistakes like that. It is hard to tell the difference some times, between the two.

If you say, "Asian people" I don't think any Indian woman or man would be offended?

I can't imagine why any Indian man or woman could ever get that worried and look at that as being offensive, even if the word, "Pakistani" was mistaken for "Sri Lanka"

It is Jade's recent quirky comment and nothing offensive!

So Jade offering to wear a Sari is not a desperate attempt to gain support and to get in the papers!, it is in fact a "generous gesture" what complete tosh! :yuk:

Yep I find Jades complete dimness funny! NOT The girl is a liability and should not be allowed outside the doors to mix with decent people who are culturally and morally aware of what is right and wrong. She wants to have a public career, ok then she had better get up to speed with what is and is not acceptable, her dimness is now wearing thin as an excuse for her terrible behaviour.

Sadly, after this recent experience in CBB Jade will have advisors who will guide her in what is best for her to do under the circumstances.

Jade Goody came into CBB in January, probably expecting arguments, That is true. But she never expected to be fighting to keep her family and herself safe.

If she wants to wear a "Sari" in a magazine and the magazine accepts, then this will happen.

Jade may try to kill two birds with one stone?

Firstly, to try and mend some offended feelings of many of the offended people, probably Indian people?

Secondly, do something which is new to her and will get her noticed for the right reasons.

There is plenty of bad publicity for Jade Goody. None of this was ever that bad before CBB Jan.

People are claiming that she is a Racist and wearing a "Sari" is in very poor taste.

People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people and also, be a bully or get a thrill out of watching someone being bullied.

This is very wrong and very untrue.

The reason that people like Jade, is, because they just do.

______________________________________________

Two simple questions
---------------------------

1) Can you say that Jade Goody has never played to the camera's on three reality shows, to try and get noticed?

2) Can you say that, if Jade Goody had argued and bullied a woman called "Shilpa Smith" who was a white English woman who had a broad Birmingham accent, would an outrage have occured on the same magnitude?

spacebandit

18-03-2007, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Two simple questions
---------------------------

1) Can you say that Jade Goody has never played to the camera's on three reality shows, to try and get noticed?

2) Can you say that, if Jade Goody had argued and bullied a woman called "Shilpa Smith" who was a white English woman who had a broad Birmingham accent, would an outrage have occured on the same magnitude?

But she didn't, she used racially motivated insults about an asian woman, not suprised you defend her though, you have had plecty to say about immigrants coming over here, being treated better than "white english", and having the law on their side

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/353054_theylikethefreebenefits.JPG.html

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 02:40 PM

You have gone too far (spacebandit) :nono:

I have reported your post and your threatening UTU's too.

You offer nothing in the terms of a useful debate and enjoy your made-up libel against another forum member.

It is against the rules of the forum and is causing the Admins & Moderators to keep locking topics.

You are the cause, by your own sickening paranoia..

Your so called evidence is made-up rubbish!!

If you don't like Jade Goody, then, you're just going to have to accept that she exists.

mansi

18-03-2007, 02:53 PM

^you're the reason why all the other topics got closed....not sure WTH you're talking about....

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 03:02 PM

I just do not understand why she needs to wear a sari. What is that going to achieve? Can anyone answer me that?

mansi

18-03-2007, 03:10 PM

^lol, i'm not too sure Bazg....maybe she felt by wearing a sari she’s embracing herself to Indians and Indian culture and to try and prove she’s not racist…quite lame if you ask me...

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 03:48 PM

I agree. It's like, if she wears a sari, she will be seen in a different light by joe public.

Dr43%er

18-03-2007, 05:21 PM

"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

No, people will say racists are racists.

With regards to the screen grab. You posted it, and many others like it. Have the balls to stand by what you belive. The fact that you deny that you posted it and you are trying to distance yourself from it means you know what you posted was wrong. That's a start. All you need to do now is say sorry for spouting your racist view.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

No, people will say racists are racists.

With regards to the screen grab. You posted it, and many others like it. Have the balls to stand by what you belive. The fact that you deny that you posted it and you are trying to distance yourself from it means you know what you posted was wrong. That's a start. All you need to do now is say sorry for spouting your racist view.

Edited by Sunny_01 - just trying to keep the peace here

We are debating on a forum called (thisisbigbrother.com)

Why don't you stick to the debate and stop trying to create havoc. If you have a disagreement with what is said here or about CBB Jan. Then maybe people could debate with you? But instead, you, (Dr43%er) & (space-bandit) can't stop with the lies.

Why don't you pick a web-page, copy it to that Image-Hosting site, then, copy it from there, edit it, then delete the original and then place your re-edited version back there. Then, try to look at the (post number) reading "007" next to that user, "apparently myself??" then look at the date of my joining and then the date of posting that post. (You say I only posted 6 posts before saying all of that in the space of 31 days??) Then you have that Google evidence? when did that take place?? Grow up and smell the coffee. If you're going to do a fit-up job, do it properly and try not to make your lies so transparent!! or Deluded!!

Maybe a moderator could act on this and remove both your posts today 18/03/07 & last night too, so we can all debate properly?

I like to debate about Big Brother, not deal with disgruntal trouble-making forum members from a now defunct site.

If Jade Goody was saying this to you? She may not be so tactful.

Dr43%er

18-03-2007, 05:49 PM

LOL. I didn't put the screen grab up. I know you said those things. That's good enough for me.

Dr43%er

18-03-2007, 06:02 PM

Then, try to look at the (post number) reading "007" next to that user, "apparently myself??" then look at the date of my joining and then the date of posting that post. (You say I only posted 6 posts before saying all of that in the space of 31 days??)

Nodis, you need some new galsses mate. Have another look at the post number again. It is not "007" But 887.

No one is saying you only posted 6 times in 31 days.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er

Then, try to look at the (post number) reading "007" next to that user, "apparently myself??" then look at the date of my joining and then the date of posting that post. (You say I only posted 6 posts before saying all of that in the space of 31 days??)

Nodis, you need some new galsses mate. Have another look at the post number again. It is not "007" But 887.

No one is saying you only posted 6 times in 31 days.

It says 887 now.

Earlier it said 007 I am not blind and I brought the image closer too.

I wished I had copied it now! There again, you could always say I changed it?

Maybe I should get a friend to alter that image and make it look like you are a racist?

But there again, I am not a liar or a fake, so I wouldn't do that.

Why don't you keep this up on every post Dr43%er & spacebandit. Keep going on about it continuously and see how these topics end up. You have a free pass to disaster.

Maybe you might find yourselves more unpopular than you think?:cloud:

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
I agree. It's like, if she wears a sari, she will be seen in a different light by joe public.

Anything could help Jade Goody in this situation. She will naturally have many ideas and some of these ideas may look so much like a set-up, that she wished she never did it.

This "Sari" thing is a bit over the top and I would assume that her next idea will be a better one than this one.

But she is trying hard.:kiss:

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I don't really have any thoughts about wether I am popular on here. Nor do I really care if I am honest. I am sure there are some that do like me, some that can't stand me and others that are totaly indiferent to me. The same way there are those on here that in the short time i have been here I like, those I don't (only one so far) and a hell of a lot i am indiferent to. It's nothing personal with them. I have just had nothing to do with them to make an oppinion. As you keep saying, you can't click with everyone.

Click on this:-
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=56090&page=6

Scroll down 8 posts

Then we know how you picture Jade Goody...

I must be the same in your eyes...YES?? :cloud:

Dr43%er

18-03-2007, 06:33 PM

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

mansi

18-03-2007, 07:41 PM

"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

nodish why do you always speak for others when you don't even know if that's how people really feel....those 50,000 complaints were not all from south asians....

mansi

18-03-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

mansi

18-03-2007, 08:09 PM

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by mansi
"People will also say, that, anybody who supports Jade Goody today, must be a racist or have a problem with Indian people"

nodish why do you always speak for others when you don't even know if that's how people really feel....those 50,000 complaints were not all from south asians....

I don't know where those complaints were from?

An educated guess would tell me that they were from all over the place. Do you agree with that?

The reason that I say that others liked Jade Goody before she came on CBB Jan. Is, because, she was in such demand. I am talking, reality shows, interviews, game shows and also merchandice, fitness video & perfume.

She has made so much and had three websites dedicated to her. Not to mention Myspace.com where some of her fans are hiding right now. You already know the two other Jade Fan members on this forum Mansi.

I would never question your support for a celebrity. It is your right and that is fact.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by richardson328

How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I don't just judge Jade Goody from what I see in the house. I don't judge anyone, unless I really understand them.

I understand Jade Goody..

p.s Mansi. You posted this post twice, Whoops!! :thumbs:

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

I was one of the users that posted on there. and if I see something I disagree with, I shall say so. That is my right.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

I was one of the users that posted on there. and if I see something I disagree with, I shall say so. That is my right.

It is your right to make your opinion known.

I have mine, "Mansi" has her's and that's that!

Forums are like that!! Differences of opinions.

mansi

18-03-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

Nodishharmony you're the one who's creating the division...what do you mean by many of you started on him....and secondly I didn't post anything on that thread because like jermaine said you can't reason with stupidity...I don't "enjoy doing all of this", you seem to be enjoying all of it...you were the one clearly supporting him...anyhow I am nobody to tell you what to say and whom to support

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 08:54 PM

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

It is your right to make your opinion known.

I have mine, "Mansi" has her's and that's that!

Forums are like that!! Differences of opinions.

My point exactly

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by richardson328
How much more are we going hear from this stupid racism row? "Jade's racist, she wants to pose in a sari" "Jade's racist she said she likes curries" "Jade's racist because she's gone to India." Get Over It, Im not racist but grow up to all Indians who are going to keep going on about this, be grateful that you have someone like Shilpa Shetty in country and next tim you come to this country, i'll start calling you racist because you like English breakfasts.

originally posted by nodisharmony
I agree that you are not a racist.

Nothing in your post's says that to me or anyone else that you are.

Some members can try and pick holes in what you say, just to make them feel better. It seems fun to some to let you fall into that trap.

I try to rise above it.

shows how ignorant you are, you clearly seem to love jade despite her behaviour in the house....i'm sure you know you're wrong but you just don't want to admit it....I think he should be telling you to get over it......

I looked at that post from that other member. I saw how many of you started on him, saying that you considered him to be a racist.

I know that you enjoy doing this and shall continue to pick holes.

What I do, is, look past these small things and get on with life.

To be a "Realist" is fine. To be a "Racist" is not fine.

Nodishharmony you're the one who's creating the division...what do you mean by many of you started on him....and secondly I didn't post anything on that thread because like jermaine said you can't deal with stupidity...I don't "enjoy doing all of this", you seem to be enjoying all of it...I was the one that happened to look past that whereas you posted on that thread saying how you supported him and his view.

I didn't know that you are following Jermaine Jackson's instruction?

Is that the same Jermaine Jackson who went in the other room and did nothing to mediate between the two??

Or was that not shown?

______________________________________________

I am not creating a division. We just don't think alike. Also, I appear to be in Jade's camp and that is not a popular camp at the moment. I am aware of that.

I said, "Many of you started on him", perhaps it was two or three? I can't remember now. It is quite low on my list of priorities.

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I don't see Jade Goody supporters joining in with me, do you?

There are a couple around, but, I think they are hiding behind another topic.

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 08:59 PM

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I do not gang up on people. I am not a bully. I post my own opinions and views.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I do not gang up on people. I am not a bully. I post my own opinions and views.

I agree that your own opinions are nice to hear.

It is amazing to see how two forum members, (spacebandit) & (Dr43%er) can cause havoc to a topic which is going so well. I mean, it is easy to go onto Shilpa or Jo on a Jade topic. But, to start attacking a forum member and break rules and get away with it looks like corruption to me. Tonight, they might post 20 nasty posts. WOW that should be productive, NOT!!

I state the facts about Jade Goody and the other girls.

Some are educated opinions and anybody can critisize that.

I welcome critisism..

mansi

18-03-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I didn't know that you are following Jermaine Jackson's instruction?
Is that the same Jermaine Jackson who went in the other room and did nothing to mediate between the two??

Or was that not shown?

______________________________________________

I am not creating a division. We just don't think alike. Also, I appear to be in Jade's camp and that is not a popular camp at the moment. I am aware of that.

I said, "Many of you started on him", perhaps it was two or three? I can't remember now. It is quite low on my list of priorities.

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I don't see Jade Goody supporters joining in with me, do you?

There are a couple around, but, I think they are hiding behind another topic.

Jermaine didn't bother to interfere because he is wise, and so he took shilpa to the other room and tried to make her understand not to reason with jade....Jermaine was the only one in the house who tried to mediate the two...the rest were laughing and Cleo and Ian were just there watching....

it's nothing intentional, well from my side atleast....we all seem to oppose your opinions.... you have no "supporters" because nobody likes Jade...that's the truth, you have to learn to deal with it, instead of going around and trying to irritate everyone by posting essays which are based on your assumptions instead of facts....you're just making things worse for Jade

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by mansi
Originally posted by nodisharmony

I didn't know that you are following Jermaine Jackson's instruction?
Is that the same Jermaine Jackson who went in the other room and did nothing to mediate between the two??

Or was that not shown?

______________________________________________

I am not creating a division. We just don't think alike. Also, I appear to be in Jade's camp and that is not a popular camp at the moment. I am aware of that.

I said, "Many of you started on him", perhaps it was two or three? I can't remember now. It is quite low on my list of priorities.

I did post on that thread, as I know how it feels to be ganged up on, on this forum. I defended this, as it was overscrutinizing again.

I don't see Jade Goody supporters joining in with me, do you?

There are a couple around, but, I think they are hiding behind another topic.

Jermaine didn't bother to interfere because he is wise, and so he took shilpa to the other room and tried to make her understand not to reason with jade....Jermaine was the only one in the house who tried to mediate the two...the rest were laughing and Cleo and Ian were just there watching....

it's nothing intentional, well from my side atleast....we all seem to oppose your opinions.... you have no "supporters" because nobody likes Jade...that's the truth, you have to learn to deal with it, instead of going around and trying to irritate everyone by posting essays which are based on your assumptions instead of facts....you're just making things worse for Jade

Thanks for telling me, what I already know!! :spin:

Jermaine didn't interfere. Ian & Cleo did watch and do nothing.

Sometimes it is better to stay away, as, if you are neutral, you can get away with pretending to like Jade Goody, when, behind her back, things would be different!

Jade Goody would understand that..

That is when she says, "Your a liar & a fake"

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 09:31 PM

Do you think any good is going to come from the whole Jade/Shilpa/Jo/Danielle scenario nodis?

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
Do you think any good is going to come from the whole Jade/Shilpa/Jo/Danielle scenario nodis?

I won't say the word (Good).

What I would say, is, Big Brother 8 will be very interesting. Any wrong word between a white man or woman against someone of brown or black skinned, will be scrutinized badly.

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 10:19 PM

So is that a no then?

Bells

18-03-2007, 10:20 PM

I think the main thing you're not realising nodisharmony, is that it's gone past the racial discrimination stage now. At least, that's now what I'm on about. Whilst I'm not condoning any racist comments that were made on CBB5, you do have a habit to continuously going back to that issue rather than the matter at hand which is general mistreatment, unfairness, bullying and ignorance.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
So is that a no then?

A politician would have to elaborate and waffle.

I shall say (no) and get it over with. :spin2:

Mrluvaluva

18-03-2007, 10:57 PM

Thankyou. Straight to the point is how I like it.

nodisharmony

18-03-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I think the main thing you're not realising nodisharmony, is that it's gone past the racial discrimination stage now. At least, that's now what I'm on about. Whilst I'm not condoning any racist comments that were made on CBB5, you do have a habit to continuously going back to that issue rather than the matter at hand which is general mistreatment, unfairness, bullying and ignorance.

Okay, I shall keep it short and sweet on each point.

(mistreatment) Jade Goody is very flippent to Shilpa and at least three past housemates from other shows too. She doesn't use much tact towards them and is happy to treat them this way.

Does she mean it? or, is she aware of what reality shows want and crave for, plenty of drama! So is she real or fake! That you will have to prove, before drawing opinions on her.
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(unfairness) My god! Unfairness is every single part of this CBB Jan. show in every single way. On this forum too.

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(Bullying) It can look like that? But what is a disagreement or an argument or a heated discussion can be separate from bullying. I hate to label it as that all the time.

I know what bullying is, (first hand), to me, it is the thought of possible violence. or a violent threat. You know what I mean!!

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(Ignorance) Is that another word for (thick), (naive), (stupidity). Isn't Jade Goody known for behaving and being that way? I think she is known for being that way.

That is actually her appeal

Ruth

19-03-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
You say, Ruth, that Jade wanted to make things right for herself?

Jade Goody has two children. Also, she has worked out, that, many people were offended and danger could & probably would follow. So, I would imagine that, her children's safety would be paramount on her mind!

A decent mother would agree on that! But you can keep on saying it is selfish-Jade time, if you want?

Yes I can. Because Jade wasn't thinking about her kids when she was shouting obscenities and threatening to headbutt someone. And if she was that concerned about their safety, why did she jet off to India? It seems that her PR exercise was more important than spending time with her children.

Jade left the diary room.

Next minute, she talks to Shilpa outside.

WoW Wee, so quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point exactly.

I would, more than believe that, maybe there was more to this than meets the eye. Jade may have had this discussion with Shilpa, a bit later. But, that hardly puts Jade Goody in the clear. So, what about the Diary Room.

You would believe anything if it put your precious jade Goody in a good light. But just because you choose to believe something doesn't make it true.

I said that Shilpa did'nt complain, as there was nothing to complain about. This is quite evident.

I've already explaied the difference between not complaining and there being nothing to complain about. You choose not to take any notice. Your perogative.

Anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't.

How do you know? Were you there? Do you know what's going on in Jade's head? Actually, why am I asking? You will just come out with some 'smoke and mirrors' answer.

But anyway, Jade had said nothing which Shilpa had heard, except abuse in an argument and odd dirty looks from the three girls, which was mostly about the chicken & the oxo cube incident.

That argument was awful. Not just a little disagreement, but full on abuse. Hardly qualifies as 'said nothing'. Besides which, are you saying that it's fine to say what you want about people as long as they can't hear it?!

Plus, perhaps they felt patronised by her.

Well, that's their problem.

However, she didn't. It is likely that she doesn't want to be known as a trouble-maker and many would assume that Shilpa was offended by abusive remarks, we only have the newspapers to go by.

Even you yourself are saying that she probably didn't complain because she didn't want to cause trouble - not because there was nothing to complain about.

If Jade's bullyish nature is so bad to you today, then, why has she been so successful.

Answered in a previous post. Not repeating myself.

I would say it is the racial angle which makes you and others brings Jade's past behavior to light.

Right. Thanks for telling me what makes me bring think something. You don't know how or why anyone on here thinks what they do.

That is the part, before you assume that she is a racist.

Funny that?

I don't understand what you have written:puzzled:

What's the point Ruth?

:puzzled: What's your point?

What I did say about the Part-time-racist's, is, that anyone who does get assaulted or really slaggged off, could say a racial comment in a moment of madness.

Hence, the (Part-Time) angle.

Anybody who would say such a thing is a racist. Got that?

Jade, Danielle & Jo are not racist people. If they are Part-Time, then, only they know this and would not say.

If only they know it, then how can you make such assumptions about them?

Oh Yeah! Just to re-clarify things, The C.P.S have dropped the charge and all comments were only offensive words and phrases.

I have already explained this to you in a previous post. Clearly, you choose not to pay attention to what doesn't suit your version of events. That's fine.

Your comparison to vegatables is rather separate to the subject of Part-Time-Racists.

I was drawing a comparison. But because it doesn't suit you, you choose to disregard it. Fine.

Editing can easily make people believe that offensive remarks could be made to look worse.

The words that were used, did make many people think that they may have racial-over-tones?

Those words came out of Jade's mouth. fact or fiction?

Shilpa could have started this off by patronising them or saying a nasty comment, which we never saw.

She could have - but we have absolutely no reason to suggest that this is so. So stop making things up to suit you.

It is like the saying goes, "Big things, start from little things"

Jade gets angry, very easily.

Yes, I think we all saw that. It's not something to defend.

So the girls have to be racist, because you think this, as they lost their temper. what Rubbish!!!

But everything they said was not in anger was it? Some of it was said while they were perfectly happy.

Your racism comment, whereby you say that white people can't experience racism.

Sorry for caps, but I DID NOT SAY THAT. I SAID THAT ANYONE OF ANY COLOUR CAN EXPERIENCE RACISM. IF YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I CLEARLY WROTE, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Jade, Danielle & Jo didn't click with Shilpa.

Comments may have sounded like they had racial-over-tones.

But we still can't stick the word, (racist) to any of the girls.

Well you can't but many people can.

My long response just proves that I am stating the facts, much more clearly than most.

:laugh3:

Sunny_01

19-03-2007, 09:50 AM

Long reponses mean you are stating facts more clearly than others!! I dont think so. What it generally means is that someone is not able to be succinct in their reponses.

Everything that you post is opinion! or your interpretation of what has been said by the media. We all interpret things in a different way which is where deabte comes from!

I think (see I said think) that Jade has used her stupidity for long enough as an excuse. I dont accept the "it's just the way she is" argument, it has worn way too thin now. That is no excuse for terrible behaviour.

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
You say, Ruth, that Jade wanted to make things right for herself?

Jade Goody has two children. Also, she has worked out, that, many people were offended and danger could & probably would follow. So, I would imagine that, her children's safety would be paramount on her mind!

A decent mother would agree on that! But you can keep on saying it is selfish-Jade time, if you want?

Yes I can. Because Jade wasn't thinking about her kids when she was shouting obscenities and threatening to headbutt someone. And if she was that concerned about their safety, why did she jet off to India? It seems that her PR exercise was more important than spending time with her children.

Jade left the diary room.

Next minute, she talks to Shilpa outside.

WoW Wee, so quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point exactly.

I would, more than believe that, maybe there was more to this than meets the eye. Jade may have had this discussion with Shilpa, a bit later. But, that hardly puts Jade Goody in the clear. So, what about the Diary Room.

You would believe anything if it put your precious jade Goody in a good light. But just because you choose to believe something doesn't make it true.

I said that Shilpa did'nt complain, as there was nothing to complain about. This is quite evident.

I've already explaied the difference between not complaining and there being nothing to complain about. You choose not to take any notice. Your perogative.

Anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't.

How do you know? Were you there? Do you know what's going on in Jade's head? Actually, why am I asking? You will just come out with some 'smoke and mirrors' answer.

But anyway, Jade had said nothing which Shilpa had heard, except abuse in an argument and odd dirty looks from the three girls, which was mostly about the chicken & the oxo cube incident.

That argument was awful. Not just a little disagreement, but full on abuse. Hardly qualifies as 'said nothing'. Besides which, are you saying that it's fine to say what you want about people as long as they can't hear it?!

Plus, perhaps they felt patronised by her.

Well, that's their problem.

However, she didn't. It is likely that she doesn't want to be known as a trouble-maker and many would assume that Shilpa was offended by abusive remarks, we only have the newspapers to go by.

Even you yourself are saying that she probably didn't complain because she didn't want to cause trouble - not because there was nothing to complain about.

If Jade's bullyish nature is so bad to you today, then, why has she been so successful.

Answered in a previous post. Not repeating myself.

I would say it is the racial angle which makes you and others brings Jade's past behavior to light.

Right. Thanks for telling me what makes me bring think something. You don't know how or why anyone on here thinks what they do.

That is the part, before you assume that she is a racist.

Funny that?

I don't understand what you have written:puzzled:

What's the point Ruth?

:puzzled: What's your point?

What I did say about the Part-time-racist's, is, that anyone who does get assaulted or really slaggged off, could say a racial comment in a moment of madness.

Hence, the (Part-Time) angle.

Anybody who would say such a thing is a racist. Got that?

Jade, Danielle & Jo are not racist people. If they are Part-Time, then, only they know this and would not say.

If only they know it, then how can you make such assumptions about them?

Oh Yeah! Just to re-clarify things, The C.P.S have dropped the charge and all comments were only offensive words and phrases.

I have already explained this to you in a previous post. Clearly, you choose not to pay attention to what doesn't suit your version of events. That's fine.

Your comparison to vegatables is rather separate to the subject of Part-Time-Racists.

I was drawing a comparison. But because it doesn't suit you, you choose to disregard it. Fine.

Editing can easily make people believe that offensive remarks could be made to look worse.

The words that were used, did make many people think that they may have racial-over-tones?

Those words came out of Jade's mouth. fact or fiction?

Shilpa could have started this off by patronising them or saying a nasty comment, which we never saw.

She could have - but we have absolutely no reason to suggest that this is so. So stop making things up to suit you.

It is like the saying goes, "Big things, start from little things"

Jade gets angry, very easily.

Yes, I think we all saw that. It's not something to defend.

So the girls have to be racist, because you think this, as they lost their temper. what Rubbish!!!

But everything they said was not in anger was it? Some of it was said while they were perfectly happy.

Your racism comment, whereby you say that white people can't experience racism.

Sorry for caps, but I DID NOT SAY THAT. I SAID THAT ANYONE OF ANY COLOUR CAN EXPERIENCE RACISM. IF YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I CLEARLY WROTE, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Jade, Danielle & Jo didn't click with Shilpa.

Comments may have sounded like they had racial-over-tones.

But we still can't stick the word, (racist) to any of the girls.

Well you can't but many people can.

My long response just proves that I am stating the facts, much more clearly than most.

:laugh3:

Okay Ruth, I shall start from you first response to me, then onwards.
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Jade Goody was arguing with Shilpa Shetty and also, did say all the things which we all saw in the edited highlights.

At that time, her children were very safe at home and all was okay.

When Jade had the argument and said those comments, she would never imagine what an impact, all of these edited highlights would cause.

It is very unfair, for you to assume that Jade wasn't thinking of her childrens safety at that particular time.

Jade would naturally feel the possible danger, afterwards.
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We have been over this before about the India stuff. This was Jade's advisors and also, Jade Goody feeling guilty and doing her best to mend the situation.

Naturally she would be concerned about her childrens safety.

Celebrities leave their children all the time, to do tv & film or interviews, etc..

It makes no difference in this case.
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I only place Jade Goody in a good light, if she has been accused of something which is wrong and certainly cannot be proved 100%

I have said, many times that Jade did appologise and admitted her wrong doing and that she did offend people quite badly.

Jade also dealt with this pro-actively. Even though, you would prefer her to hide away, or maybe, you would prefer if she kept all the money and the charities got nothing?
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I did say that Shilpa didn't complain. We both understand this, as it is very true.

We also know that Endemol didn't choose to hand over the un-cut tapes freely.

It is quite obvious to assume, that, maybe Shilpa chose not to proceed to a complaint, as there maybe stuff in those unedited tapes which may put things in a dimmer light for the victim, Shilpa Shetty.

I would also say, that, Shilpa Shetty may feel it was'nt worth the trouble and could backfire on her from people with racist views, who can also be fanatical. Shilpa will also have self preservation, paramount on her mind.
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The comment, "anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't!", which I made.

I haven't had a chance to look where you took that from. It would have been part of a quote, but you have edited that quote out of it.

I think it was in regard of the CPS's conclusion? There was no racism, remember. Just offensive remarks. So, if it had appeared that way, then we were wrong to assume that there was racism.

I shall check further on that quote, if I feel it needs further examination?
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It is not alright to hurl abuse.

Jade Goody was on Big Brother and arguments are commonplace remember.

It is not about the argument, it is about the colour of skin of the victim. This is where most of the complaints were focused on

If you look closely at the argument, which is on Youtube. (if you want the link? I'll give it to you) You will see that, it could have easily been avoided.

Shilpa pressed Jade and Jo and Danielle agreed fully to what Jade was saying.

Shilpa asked Jo O'Meara and Jo confirmed Jade's problem.

That was the point, whereby Shilpa should have defused it immediatly.

When Shilpa told Jade to Shut-Up, that was the worst mistake and it just got out of hand.

You need to really study it, before making judgements which are clouded by your dislike of Jade Goody already!!!!
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You say that it is (their problem) if they felt patronised?

So, it is Shilpa's problem, to accept divisions in the house then.
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I said that I assumed that many look at Jade and judge her in a bad light, as many assume she has racial thoughts and voices them in the way we saw it.

If you do not think this and I have assumed wrongly, then I appologise for that wrong assumption.

I just read it in the tone of your many quotes, that's all.
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I have written in depth about the part-time-racist stuff.

In a moment of madness, people can say stuff, but it doesn't stop people from intermingling with persons of an ethnic background or colour.

People are people! If someone says nasty comments to someone else, or assaults someone, at that moment, something may slip out.

Don't make it all sound so bad! Put it in perspective against many other bad things.

You would be more believable, if you could admit that people can say a comment with maybe Racial-over-tones on a rare occasion, and it was just in that situation. Being prim and proper won't wash with everybody.

But your response is a politically correct response and I can understand from what you say about your work, that it would be unwise to put that in writing in a forum.

I shall excuse you, no bad feelings!!!
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Jade, Jo & Danielle will only know if they are part-time racists.

Apparently, many view that comment, (part-time-racists) as a load of rubbish?

So, if that is your view too, and you don't understand where I am coming from, then what is the point of you asking that question?

also, None of what they said was anything more than Abuse. Not racial. I read the CPS report..

Kind-of clears that up!!!

Maybe the three girls have a chance now?
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Jade did make those comments, that is Fact, not Fiction.

But, I actually said, that, editing can make things look worse overall.

Many on this forum watched those comments and would love to see more un-cut footage.
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I draw to your attention, that Shilpa may have said more patronising stuff, which was edited out.

I can only go on assumptions there.

But it is an educated assumption to imagine that three celebrities wouldn't just start on Shilpa so easily.

Jade knows what reality shows want.

Jo & Danielle won't have Jade's experience.
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I don't defend Jade getting angry, unless she is dissed in some way.

During the argument, Shilpa did say stuff. We all saw that.

But, once again, was it real or was it Jade playing to the cameras?

She did go too far and has appologised for that and said that she doesn't know how to argue.
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You say that some of the nasty comments were said, when they weren't angry?

Yes, that is true.

They don't like Shilpa Shetty and like many girls do, they air there views about other people they do or don't like.

This is life. Don't be so prim and perfect. Expecting these girls to say nice things about a girl they don't like.
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Many people will say that all three girls are Racist.

I guess that you can guess the colour of Danielle's knickers too?

Sadly,you don't know either.

But, if all three girls have got friends who are Asian, how can you say they are racist people? or others claim that?
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Sunny_01

19-03-2007, 01:02 PM

Can I ask a small favour of everyone here please. I know that sometimes it is important to quote peoples posts BUT some of these quotes are getting really long and taking a huge time to both trawl through and read but also to Moderate as appropraite.

So the favour is could people please not quote, requote and quote again making posts HUGE!!!

I am not saying dont quote just try to make them smaller and relevent :dog:

Dr43%er

19-03-2007, 01:16 PM

I draw to your attention, that Shilpa may have said more patronising stuff, which was edited out.

Or may not. So you are drawing our attention to nothing.

Ruth

19-03-2007, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody was arguing with Shilpa Shetty and also, did say all the things which we all saw in the edited highlights.

At that time, her children were very safe at home and all was okay.

When Jade had the argument and said those comments, she would never imagine what an impact, all of these edited highlights would cause.

It is very unfair, for you to assume that Jade wasn't thinking of her childrens safety at that particular time.

really? She seemed more concerned with calling Shilpa "a f---ing loser" as far as I recall.

Naturally she would be concerned about her childrens safety.

Celebrities leave their children all the time, to do tv & film or interviews, etc..

It makes no difference in this case.

Actually, it makes a lot of difference. While it's true that most celebs will leave their children for some time while they are working, how many of those same celebs are going around saying that they are concerned for their children's safety? My point is this - she said she was concerned for their safety, yet she jetted off to India. In a normal situation where there was no need for her to be concerned for her safety, there would not be such a big deal with her going away to India.

Jade also dealt with this pro-actively. Even though, you would prefer her to hide away, or maybe, you would prefer if she kept all the money and the charities got nothing?

Well of course she could have given the money to charity privately couldn't she? But nooooo, she had to make sure that everyone knew how 'generous' she was being. Since you're asking, yes I would prefer it if she hid away. She annoys me. The money aspect is different. If she was that bothered about where the money was going, she could give it and not advertise the fact that she had given it.

I did say that Shilpa didn't complain. We both understand this, as it is very true.

We also know that Endemol didn't choose to hand over the un-cut tapes freely.

It is quite obvious to assume, that, maybe Shilpa chose not to proceed to a complaint, as there maybe stuff in those unedited tapes which may put things in a dimmer light for the victim, Shilpa Shetty.

:pat::pat: You go on telling yourself that if you want. If Endemol thought that there was anything in those tapes that put Shilpa in bad light, they would have handed them over straight away! It would have helped the case of their precious Jade, and of course kept BB in the headlines.

The comment, "anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't!", which I made.

I haven't had a chance to look where you took that from. It would have been part of a quote, but you have edited that quote out of it.

:puzzled::puzzled: Sorry, I don't mean this to be rude, but I haven't got the foggiest idea what you mean here.

I think it was in regard of the CPS's conclusion? There was no racism, remember. Just offensive remarks. So, if it had appeared that way, then we were wrong to assume that there was racism.

It's like banging my head against a brick wall. Just because the CPS are not proceeding with the case, does not mean that there was no racism. I have explained this time and time again, and given the reason why they are not proceeding with the case (as given by the police). You choose either to ignore it or disbelieve it. That's up to you.

If you look closely at the argument, which is on Youtube. (if you want the link? I'll give it to you) You will see that, it could have easily been avoided.

Yes it could have been. Shilpa made her point and then walked away. It was Jade who started yelling and shouting.

Shilpa pressed Jade and Jo and Danielle agreed fully to what Jade was saying.

Shilpa asked Jo O'Meara and Jo confirmed Jade's problem.

That was the point, whereby Shilpa should have defused it immediatly.

Shilpa took back what she said about the stock cubes being the only thing she ordered. She took that back. That is the point where JADE should have defused it immediately. But no, she had to get on with her ranting and raving.

When Shilpa told Jade to Shut-Up, that was the worst mistake and it just got out of hand.

You think that Shilpa saying "shut up" after all the abuse she had already taken, was the worst mistake? After the abuse she took from Jade, Shilpa was the one who showed restraint. What about the insults that Jade hurled at Shilpa?

You need to really study it, before making judgements which are clouded by your dislike of Jade Goody already!!!!

I've watched that argument - what really happened. It seems to me that you are the one whose judgement is clouded by your adoration of Jade.

You say that it is (their problem) if they felt patronised?

Yep.

So, it is Shilpa's problem, to accept divisions in the house then.

Yep, fair enough. But that doesn't mean that she should have to take constant abuse.

I said that I assumed that many look at Jade and judge her in a bad light, as many assume she has racial thoughts and voices them in the way we saw it.

Well, when people make racist remarks, it's reasonable to assume that she is a racist.

I have written in depth about the part-time-racist stuff.

A racist is a racist. If they don't display their racist feelings very often, it doesn't make them a part-time racist! But you know, if it makes you feel better to think that, then go ahead.

You would be more believable, if you could admit that people can say a comment with maybe Racial-over-tones on a rare occasion, and it was just in that situation. Being prim and proper won't wash with everybody.

But your response is a politically correct response and I can understand from what you say about your work, that it would be unwise to put that in writing in a forum.

I stated what I did as a job. I did not give details of the work we do, and did not give details of my company. This is all quite irrelevant to the point we are discussing. Why bring it up?

I'm not prim and proper. My response is what I feel. Are you saying that I am only writing what is 'politically correct'? If so, I take that as a huge insult - that you are insinuating that I am only writing what I think I 'should' write.

As for me being more believeable - this truly is a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

I shall excuse you, no bad feelings!!!

Oh whoopee, thank you. I feel positively humbled.

Jade, Jo & Danielle will only know if they are part-time racists.

I can tell you right now that they aren't, because there is no such thing.

Apparently, many view that comment, (part-time-racists) as a load of rubbish?

So, if that is your view too, and you don't understand where I am coming from, then what is the point of you asking that question?

Sorry, which question are you referring to?

also, None of what they said was anything more than Abuse. Not racial. I read the CPS report..

Kind-of clears that up!!!

You read the CPS report?! Interesting. May I ask how you managed to get hold of it? The police said that the matter could not proceed because there was not a complainant.

I draw to your attention, that Shilpa may have said more patronising stuff, which was edited out.

I can only go on assumptions there.

Assumptions which suit your version of events. I have already responded to that point, above.

But it is an educated assumption to imagine that three celebrities wouldn't just start on Shilpa so easily. Is it? Or do you just like to think that, because it suits what you think about Jade Goody?

Jade knows what reality shows want.

Which could therefore be the reason that she started on Shilpa so easily.

During the argument, Shilpa did say stuff. We all saw that.

But, once again, was it real or was it Jade playing to the cameras?

Shilpa said that BB was Jade's claim to fame. That's true. She told Jade to shut up - after severe provocation.

Jade may have been playing to the cameras. But she still said what she said.

You say that some of the nasty comments were said, when they weren't angry?

Yes, that is true.

They don't like Shilpa Shetty and like many girls do, they air there views about other people they do or don't like.

This is life. Don't be so prim and perfect. Expecting these girls to say nice things about a girl they don't like.

Once again I apologise for caps, but I DO NOT EXPECT ANY OF THEM TO SAY ANYTHING NICE ABOUT SHILPA. BUT THEY MADE RACIST COMMENTS. I DON'T CARE WHETHER THEY LIKED HER OR NOT, BUT I DIDN'T LIKE THOSE COMMENTS, AND NEITHER DID THE MANY THOUSANDS WHO COMPLAINED?

I'm not 'prim and perfect'. But yes, I've got morals.

Many people will say that all three girls are Racist.

I guess that you can guess the colour of Danielle's knickers too?

Erm....no. That is a completely ridiculous and pathetic statement to make. What the heck has Danielle's underwear got to do with the comments we saw her make? Or are you just trying to 'muddy' the issue?

Dr43%er

19-03-2007, 01:41 PM

Many people will say that all three girls are Racist.

I guess that you can guess the colour of Danielle's knickers too?

Danielle's knickers are there for all to see (Just look at the Star every day) As were jades racist comment.

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 01:42 PM

Good lord Ruth. that's got to be the longest post ever.

Nodisharmony - What the ****are you going on about with this 'part-time racist' cr*p. How exactly is that better? I personally prefer the full time racist. As least you know where you stand. How can it be better for somebody to have such outdated views and keep them to them self. Surely that is more dangerous?

Dr43%er

19-03-2007, 01:44 PM

Is Bernard Manning a part time racist?

lily.

19-03-2007, 01:46 PM

ffs.. I was guna read but yanno what.. it's just too long, and I can't be arzed.

That and the fact that Nodisharmony (the full time racist) keeps on recycling all his old posts.

**: All ***** - All the time! **

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Can I ask a small favour of everyone here please. I know that sometimes it is important to quote peoples posts BUT some of these quotes are getting really long and taking a huge time to both trawl through and read but also to Moderate as appropraite.

So the favour is could people please not quote, requote and quote again making posts HUGE!!!

I am not saying dont quote just try to make them smaller and relevent :dog:

Hi Sunny, Yes, it is getting quite long and there are so many different angles to cover from what happened in CBB Jan.

Luckily we aren't going over the nice parts too. Or me and Ruth would take up an entire page. :laugh::laugh:

I shall try to break things down a bit.

But this massive Q & A between myself and Ruth must be sorted.

All the best, nodisharmony :angel:

mansi

19-03-2007, 02:11 PM

:rolleyes:

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by mansi
:rolleyes: ditto

Ruth

19-03-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by GiRTh
Good lord Ruth. that's got to be the longest post ever.

I know:laugh: I blame myself for letting myself be pulled along in the 'debate'!

For the sake of all the other forum members and my own sanity, I have put nodisharmony on ignore. It's lovely and peaceful now.

lily.

19-03-2007, 02:41 PM

HaHa.. yeah, far better to listen to *BAZG & GiRTh FM :: All ***** - Most of the time... * :wink:

Mrluvaluva

19-03-2007, 02:42 PM

I'm with Linda. I just cannot be doing with reading posts so long. So I haven't. No valid points were therefore made to me so it was a waste of time (for me anyway).

lily.

19-03-2007, 02:46 PM

I'm guessing Baz missed muh last post there.. :rolleyes: :laugh:

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Linda
HaHa.. yeah, far better to listen to *BAZG & GiRTh FM :: All sh!te - Most of the time... * :wink: Charming.

lily.

19-03-2007, 02:54 PM

You denying it?

Anyway, now that your mucker is online you're all quiet.. are you plotting something evil in U2U?

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Linda
You denying it?

Anyway, now that your mucker is online you're all quiet.. are you plotting something evil in U2U? Work. Got loads on and no time to do it all.

lily.

19-03-2007, 02:57 PM

That's cuz u have wasted so much of your day with filthy U2Us... :nono:

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Linda
That's cuz u have wasted so much of your day with filthy U2Us... :nono: Moi:whistle:

Mrluvaluva

19-03-2007, 02:59 PM

Disgusting!

lily.

19-03-2007, 03:00 PM

I know. I'm shocked Barry. Seriously. :shocked:

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody was arguing with Shilpa Shetty and also, did say all the things which we all saw in the edited highlights.

At that time, her children were very safe at home and all was okay.

When Jade had the argument and said those comments, she would never imagine what an impact, all of these edited highlights would cause.

It is very unfair, for you to assume that Jade wasn't thinking of her childrens safety at that particular time.

really? She seemed more concerned with calling Shilpa "a f---ing loser" as far as I recall.

Naturally she would be concerned about her childrens safety.

Celebrities leave their children all the time, to do tv & film or interviews, etc..

It makes no difference in this case.

Actually, it makes a lot of difference. While it's true that most celebs will leave their children for some time while they are working, how many of those same celebs are going around saying that they are concerned for their children's safety? My point is this - she said she was concerned for their safety, yet she jetted off to India. In a normal situation where there was no need for her to be concerned for her safety, there would not be such a big deal with her going away to India.

Jade also dealt with this pro-actively. Even though, you would prefer her to hide away, or maybe, you would prefer if she kept all the money and the charities got nothing?

Well of course she could have given the money to charity privately couldn't she? But nooooo, she had to make sure that everyone knew how 'generous' she was being. Since you're asking, yes I would prefer it if she hid away. She annoys me. The money aspect is different. If she was that bothered about where the money was going, she could give it and not advertise the fact that she had given it.

I did say that Shilpa didn't complain. We both understand this, as it is very true.

We also know that Endemol didn't choose to hand over the un-cut tapes freely.

It is quite obvious to assume, that, maybe Shilpa chose not to proceed to a complaint, as there maybe stuff in those unedited tapes which may put things in a dimmer light for the victim, Shilpa Shetty.

:pat::pat: You go on telling yourself that if you want. If Endemol thought that there was anything in those tapes that put Shilpa in bad light, they would have handed them over straight away! It would have helped the case of their precious Jade, and of course kept BB in the headlines.

The comment, "anything which may had appeared like that, wasn't!", which I made.

I haven't had a chance to look where you took that from. It would have been part of a quote, but you have edited that quote out of it.

:puzzled::puzzled: Sorry, I don't mean this to be rude, but I haven't got the foggiest idea what you mean here.

I think it was in regard of the CPS's conclusion? There was no racism, remember. Just offensive remarks. So, if it had appeared that way, then we were wrong to assume that there was racism.

It's like banging my head against a brick wall. Just because the CPS are not proceeding with the case, does not mean that there was no racism. I have explained this time and time again, and given the reason why they are not proceeding with the case (as given by the police). You choose either to ignore it or disbelieve it. That's up to you.

If you look closely at the argument, which is on Youtube. (if you want the link? I'll give it to you) You will see that, it could have easily been avoided.

Yes it could have been. Shilpa made her point and then walked away. It was Jade who started yelling and shouting.

Shilpa pressed Jade and Jo and Danielle agreed fully to what Jade was saying.

Shilpa asked Jo O'Meara and Jo confirmed Jade's problem.

That was the point, whereby Shilpa should have defused it immediatly.

Shilpa took back what she said about the stock cubes being the only thing she ordered. She took that back. That is the point where JADE should have defused it immediately. But no, she had to get on with her ranting and raving.

When Shilpa told Jade to Shut-Up, that was the worst mistake and it just got out of hand.

You think that Shilpa saying "shut up" after all the abuse she had already taken, was the worst mistake? After the abuse she took from Jade, Shilpa was the one who showed restraint. What about the insults that Jade hurled at Shilpa?

You need to really study it, before making judgements which are clouded by your dislike of Jade Goody already!!!!

I've watched that argument - what really happened. It seems to me that you are the one whose judgement is clouded by your adoration of Jade.

You say that it is (their problem) if they felt patronised?

Yep.

So, it is Shilpa's problem, to accept divisions in the house then.

Yep, fair enough. But that doesn't mean that she should have to take constant abuse.

I said that I assumed that many look at Jade and judge her in a bad light, as many assume she has racial thoughts and voices them in the way we saw it.

Well, when people make racist remarks, it's reasonable to assume that she is a racist.

I have written in depth about the part-time-racist stuff.

A racist is a racist. If they don't display their racist feelings very often, it doesn't make them a part-time racist! But you know, if it makes you feel better to think that, then go ahead.

You would be more believable, if you could admit that people can say a comment with maybe Racial-over-tones on a rare occasion, and it was just in that situation. Being prim and proper won't wash with everybody.

But your response is a politically correct response and I can understand from what you say about your work, that it would be unwise to put that in writing in a forum.

I stated what I did as a job. I did not give details of the work we do, and did not give details of my company. This is all quite irrelevant to the point we are discussing. Why bring it up?

I'm not prim and proper. My response is what I feel. Are you saying that I am only writing what is 'politically correct'? If so, I take that as a huge insult - that you are insinuating that I am only writing what I think I 'should' write.

As for me being more believeable - this truly is a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

I shall excuse you, no bad feelings!!!

Oh whoopee, thank you. I feel positively humbled.

Jade, Jo & Danielle will only know if they are part-time racists.

I can tell you right now that they aren't, because there is no such thing.

Apparently, many view that comment, (part-time-racists) as a load of rubbish?

So, if that is your view too, and you don't understand where I am coming from, then what is the point of you asking that question?

Sorry, which question are you referring to?

also, None of what they said was anything more than Abuse. Not racial. I read the CPS report..

Kind-of clears that up!!!

You read the CPS report?! Interesting. May I ask how you managed to get hold of it? The police said that the matter could not proceed because there was not a complainant.

I draw to your attention, that Shilpa may have said more patronising stuff, which was edited out.

I can only go on assumptions there.

Assumptions which suit your version of events. I have already responded to that point, above.

But it is an educated assumption to imagine that three celebrities wouldn't just start on Shilpa so easily. Is it? Or do you just like to think that, because it suits what you think about Jade Goody?

Jade knows what reality shows want.

Which could therefore be the reason that she started on Shilpa so easily.

During the argument, Shilpa did say stuff. We all saw that.

But, once again, was it real or was it Jade playing to the cameras?

Shilpa said that BB was Jade's claim to fame. That's true. She told Jade to shut up - after severe provocation.

Jade may have been playing to the cameras. But she still said what she said.

You say that some of the nasty comments were said, when they weren't angry?

Yes, that is true.

They don't like Shilpa Shetty and like many girls do, they air there views about other people they do or don't like.

This is life. Don't be so prim and perfect. Expecting these girls to say nice things about a girl they don't like.

Once again I apologise for caps, but I DO NOT EXPECT ANY OF THEM TO SAY ANYTHING NICE ABOUT SHILPA. BUT THEY MADE RACIST COMMENTS. I DON'T CARE WHETHER THEY LIKED HER OR NOT, BUT I DIDN'T LIKE THOSE COMMENTS, AND NEITHER DID THE MANY THOUSANDS WHO COMPLAINED?

I'm not 'prim and perfect'. But yes, I've got morals.

Many people will say that all three girls are Racist.

I guess that you can guess the colour of Danielle's knickers too?

Erm....no. That is a completely ridiculous and pathetic statement to make. What the heck has Danielle's underwear got to do with the comments we saw her make? Or are you just trying to 'muddy' the issue?

Hi Ruth, I shall go through what you say and try not to elaborate too much. But the truth must be said and I don't wish to miss important points by brushing through too quickly and without care and attention. That is easy to do and also, many people can assume the worst, within a post like this. Anyway, here goes:-
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Jade Goody did say to Shilpa that she was a ***loser, but that was after Shilpa had told her to (shut-up 3 times) & (get elecution lessons) & (you have no manners) & (your claim to fame is this)

Perhaps Shilpa should have shown more restraint?

Like I said earlier, she had plenty of opportunities to hault the argument and Shilpa never took those opportunities.

It was just an argument. Get over it!!! Shilpa has.
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If Jade went on a trip to India for a different reason and she was not in the position that she is today, then she may leave her children with someone else.

Madonna does the same.

What you are saying, is, that it was un-necessary.

I disagree. Safety was on Jade's mind and she made the right choice at the right time.

The truth is, she had no choice.
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Jade Goody is not likely to do, what you prefer her to do, and hide away. She is not like that.

The evidence speaks for itself!

She gave money to a worthy charity and went over there to India, at her own expence. and gave the money directly.

I feel that it is better to do that, than give the money to a charity organisation here, who may not give all the money to the charity.

It has been known, that some funds disappear and much less goes to the actual charity.

It will be news, and the media will get involved.

The Royal's have a similar problem. and Jade Goody is definately royalty.
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There maybe bad stuff about Shilpa Shetty in those un-edited tapes? who knows, but Endemol.

But, even though there may be some other bad stuff, there maybe a bit of bad stuff about the three girls and if all this was edited out, then that is good.

It shows that Endemol policed the show well. But, not too well, hence, the current problem Ruth.
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Regarding the CPS's conclusion to the case.

They say that there was definate Offensive remarks on the show. But, the investigation was dropped, deeming only Offensive remarks.

I would remind any viewer of the show, that Racism on a reality show is not taken lightly, and Endemol and even Channel 4 are not above the law.

If Racism was evident, even regardless of a complaint. Judgements have been made from what we all saw.

What we saw, is what the CPS has used as evidence.

The viewing public may claim racism, but, the CPS have looked and made their judgement based on law.
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Don't bang your head against a brick wall. It might break and you may be done for damage to council property :laugh:
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If Jade kept shouting at Shilpa, then Shilpa should have left Jade to calm down.

She does have a firey personality, you know!

But she has always said that she doesn't bear grudges and it usually ends up okay.

Take "Rick Waller" for instance. (Do you want the link to that video?)
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You are wrong about Jade's chance to defuse the argument.

Check the argument out Ruth. When Jo O'Meara came to Jade's rescue for that moment, when Shilpa asked Jo, what she thought about this.

Firstly Jo laughed. (She did that, as it was a nervous reaction in that situation). "I am sure you don't blame Jo?"

Secondly, Shilpa agreed and then Jade offered Shilpa a choice.

That was the critical moment, where Shilpa could have risen above Jade's obvious bad-mood at that moment.

Jade would have calmed down.
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All the stuff before Shilpa annoyed Jade more, saying "shut-up", was still swinging from both angles.

firstly, complete defusion of the argument.

secondly, a progression into a full scale argument, which is what happened.

It is just a turn of events on a reality show, made famous for arguments.
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My judgement isn't clouded. It is just the way the argument panned out.

I shall add the Youtube video later on this thread.
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You once again, say that Jade, Jo & Danielle made racist remarks???

They may have appeared to some people, to have racial-over-tones. This has been stated, time and time again.

Endemol won't allow racism on the show.

This is what they say. Am I wrong?
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I have explained in detail what (part-time-racist-comments) are about in depth.

I doubt that we shall agree. So I shall move on.
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Regarding your comments about your place of work. I didn't actually ask, you just came out with it publically on this forum.

I don't take that as gospel, but I shall'nt dwell.

All I said, is, if you agreed that people can say an odd racial comment, when finding themselves being assaulted or having abuse, whether racial or personal, then some may say the odd comment in that situation.

It is not that person's general way, but in that moment, things do get said.

I live in the real world, with real people. I can only make judgements from that.

But in a world where people hold hands and pick lovely flowers and are all politically correct as politicians want us all to be, then forget it!!!

Life's not like that and people are not like that and if you are telling me that life is like that, then you are more Naive than I first thought. No offence intended.:flowers:

I am not saying Jade, Jo or Danielle are part-time-racists. But, I am not saying that they are Not part-time-racists either.

Try to use discression. The CPS have acted that way.
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I shall give you details from a website shortly, when I can find it.

It is exactly what you know already though.

Abusive remarks only and no prosecution, case closed...
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Jade knows what reality shows want, that is true.

Whether or not, this had anything to do with the Shilpa argument is debatable.
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People were offended by the comments aired in the Big Brother house, that is very true.

Saying that they were definitaly racial has already been covered, (maybe racial-sounding-over-tones) probably overscrutiny. Very much the same on this forum.

I can see by the Capital letters that you were offended and it is lovely for Jade to show how sorry she was.

But she is never going to say that she is a racist person, as she will know ethnic types and will have had dealt with them in her life previous to CBB Jan. so it is naive to say that she is that way.
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The Danielle/knickers part, was injecting a bit of sarcastic humour into the equasion.

Nothing more..

lily.

19-03-2007, 03:07 PM

Edited by Sunny_01 - you know why Linda :nono:

Mrluvaluva

19-03-2007, 03:12 PM

Another one I won't be reading! Nodis, this is getting ridiculous now!

lily.

19-03-2007, 03:13 PM

Yeah, that's what I meant... :rolleyes:

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 03:22 PM

It's a shame really. Nodisharmony is winning. His relentless support for Jade coupled with his cut/paste skills have meant that no one is prepared to wade through his posts and pick out any relevant points among the endless waffle. He is truly tireless.

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by BAZG
Another one I won't be reading! Nodis, this is getting ridiculous now!

Hi BAZG,

Sorry about this folks, myself and Ruth have got into this massive Q & A situation and I can honestly say, that we agree to differ.

I naturally will stick to decent debates, but I am not into pointless friendly one-liner chit/chat,

That belongs elsewhere. Nothing to do with CBB

Anyway, our little Q&A session is over for the day.

Sorry Mods & Admins, I know me & Ruth keep you working hard. But, that is just life sometimes.

But there is loads of useful points in these posts and nothing nasty either. Just a serious debate.

There is a balance and that is true.

Regards nodisharmony :angel:

mansi

19-03-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Linda

:laugh2:

...i know he can be quite irritating :mad:....but I don't bother reading his essays linda

lily.

19-03-2007, 03:24 PM

Ruth has you on ignore.. refer to this post:

Originally posted by Ruth
For the sake of all the other forum members and my own sanity, I have put nodisharmony on ignore. It's lovely and peaceful now.

Edited by Sunny_01 - trying to defeat the swear filter will result in a warning

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by GiRTh
It's a shame really. Nodisharmony is winning. His relentless support for Jade coupled with his cut/paste skills have meant that no one is prepared to wade through his posts and pick out any relevant points among the endless waffle. He is truly tireless.

I never cut & paste, unless it is an article from a newspaper over the web.

That I can promise you. GiRTh.

Don't be so hostile.!!

I have spent ages traulling through Ruth's Q&A and speak my educated opinion and facts.

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Sorry about this folks, myself and Ruth have got into this massive Q & A situation and I can honestly say, that we agree to differ.

I naturally will stick to decent debates, but I am not into pointless friendly one-liner chit/chat,

That belongs elsewhere. Nothing to do with CBB

Anyway, our little Q&A session is over for the day.

Sorry Mods & Admins, I know me & Ruth keep you working hard. But, that is just life sometimes.

But there is loads of useful points in these posts and nothing nasty either. Just a serious debate.

There is a balance and that is true.

Regards nodisharmony :angel:

Waffling to the end.

lily.

19-03-2007, 03:27 PM

I reckon he has me on iggy already.. :laugh:

Mrluvaluva

19-03-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Linda
Ruth has you on ignore.. refer to this post:

Originally posted by Ruth
For the sake of all the other forum members and my own sanity, I have put nodisharmony on ignore. It's lovely and peaceful now.

Is that a recent post?

Mrluvaluva

19-03-2007, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by GiRTh
It's a shame really. Nodisharmony is winning. His relentless support for Jade coupled with his cut/paste skills have meant that no one is prepared to wade through his posts and pick out any relevant points among the endless waffle. He is truly tireless.

Not really. Nowt to do with winning. Points cannot be made if people do not read the posts, so it is better to keep things concise & clear, in order to get your post accross. You getting this nodis?

Sunny_01

19-03-2007, 03:52 PM

So now the huge Q&A is over can we assume that "normal" debate will resume??

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
So now the huge Q&A is over can we assume that "normal" debate will resume?? There's no suich thing with this Jade Goody obsessive.

Dr43%er

19-03-2007, 03:59 PM

Don't worry, I will keep trawling through his waffle to pick up on the frankly ludicrous stuff he comes out with.

ethnic types

Brill. One of your best yet.

I still don't get what a part time racist is. Help me out. Is Bernard Manning one? If not is he a full time racist or not one at all. If you could please answer this it would be most helpful in clearing some things up.

lily.

19-03-2007, 04:04 PM

Yeah Baz, it was a recent post.. she posted it on page 6.

lily.

19-03-2007, 04:17 PM

Welcome to the forum lonnmordare

GiRTh

19-03-2007, 04:23 PM

Welcome lonnmordare.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Dr43%er

19-03-2007, 04:23 PM

Ohh. Hello Lonmothingy

Mrluvaluva

19-03-2007, 04:25 PM

Londothingy? I had to look again, I thought it said Londonmare! lol

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Don't worry, I will keep trawling through his waffle to pick up on the frankly ludicrous stuff he comes out with.

ethnic types

Brill. One of your best yet.

I still don't get what a part time racist is. Help me out. Is Bernard Manning one? If not is he a full time racist or not one at all. If you could please answer this it would be most helpful in clearing some things up.

He is a comedian.

Don't you know?

He tells jokes and makes fun of every type imaginable.

No Scotsman, Welshman, Irishman, Englishman, Ethnic minority, old, young, middle-age (I could go on) is ever safe.

I am glad you agree with the Harry Hill comment.

My god, we agree! Does that mean that we might be friends after all :yuk:

lily.

19-03-2007, 05:17 PM

He doesn't make fun of working class fat alcoholic bigots.

Dr43%er

19-03-2007, 05:32 PM

Is he racist, not racist or part time racist?

My god, we agree! Does that mean that we might be friends after all

Don't be ****ing stupid.

nodisharmony

19-03-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by lonnmordare
Originally posted by nodisharmony

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Jade Goody did say to Shilpa that she was a ***loser, but that was after Shilpa had told her to (shut-up 3 times) & (get elecution lessons) & (you have no manners) & (your claim to fame is this)

Perhaps Shilpa should have shown more restraint?

Like I said earlier, she had plenty of opportunities to hault the argument and Shilpa never took those opportunities.

It was just an argument. Get over it!!! Shilpa has.

What exactly are we supposed to be getting over. It seems to be you thats always jibber jabbering on about this even though it was 2 months ago.

If Jade went on a trip to India for a different reason and she was not in the position that she is today, then she may leave her children with someone else.

Madonna does the same.

What you are saying, is, that it was un-necessary.

I disagree. Safety was on Jade's mind and she made the right choice at the right time.

The truth is, she had no choice.

I think Jade always has a choice when it comes to her career as a 'media hype' celebrity. Everything Jade does involves lots of effort to get noticed, and by far the easiest thing to do would be to stay home for a few months and look after her children, but she just cant resist on capitalising on trying to break the Asian market given the status she has due to all the screen time she scrounged with Shilpa Shetty.

Jade Goody is not likely to do, what you prefer her to do, and hide away. She is not like that.

The evidence speaks for itself!

She gave money to a worthy charity and went over there to India, at her own expence. and gave the money directly.

I feel that it is better to do that, than give the money to a charity organisation here, who may not give all the money to the charity.

It has been known, that some funds disappear and much less goes to the actual charity.

It will be news, and the media will get involved.

Jades only option is to try and buy her way out of the mess she has got herself in. Giving money to charities is something that Jade cant really object to. For all the millions and millions of pounds that the British public have given her, Jade doesnt really have a choice about giving a little bit to charity after her actions on television. If she didnt, I think shed probably be lynched.

The Royal's have a similar problem. and Jade Goody is definately royalty.

What, a royal pain in the ****?

There maybe bad stuff about Shilpa Shetty in those un-edited tapes? who knows, but Endemol.

But, even though there may be some other bad stuff, there maybe a bit of bad stuff about the three girls and if all this was edited out, then that is good.

It shows that Endemol policed the show well. But, not too well, hence, the current problem Ruth.
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Regarding the CPS's conclusion to the case.

They say that there was definate Offensive remarks on the show. But, the investigation was dropped, deeming only Offensive remarks.

I would remind any viewer of the show, that Racism on a reality show is not taken lightly, and Endemol and even Channel 4 are not above the law.

If Racism was evident, even regardless of a complaint. Judgements have been made from what we all saw.

What we saw, is what the CPS has used as evidence.

The viewing public may claim racism, but, the CPS have looked and made their judgement based on law.
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Don't bang your head against a brick wall. It might break and you may be done for damage to council property :laugh:

I think what youre trying to do is suggest we didnt learn anything about these people whilst we watched for 3 weeks in January. The whole series consists of boring things where we all get familiar with the personalities, and the minor incidents inbetween are what causes the hype and talking points. (e.g. 'Whos eaten all the ****** stock cubes') We all made our minds up about these people based on EVERYTHING. If people are condemning Jade for particular incidents, its because they know exactly what sort of person she is from how she conducts herself everyday. If Jade was a good person, people would forgive her nodisharmony, and you wouldnt need to be doing all this campaigning on her behalf.

All the stuff before Shilpa annoyed Jade more, saying "shut-up", was still swinging from both angles.

firstly, complete defusion of the argument.

secondly, a progression into a full scale argument, which is what happened.

It is just a turn of events on a reality show, made famous for arguments.
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My judgement isn't clouded. It is just the way the argument panned out.

I shall add the Youtube video later on this thread.

You dont need to add any youtube really. Everyone saw the argument, and everyone who took objection to Jade's conduct has every right to think that way. The reason that escalated into an awful, offensive, ugly incident is because of Jade Goody. Jade always creates incidents like that and Shilpa Shetty was clearly gobsmacked and extremely uncomfortable. Jade was in her element. Jade's favourite hobby is shouting and screaming at people to try and put them down.

You once again, say that Jade, Jo & Danielle made racist remarks???

They may have appeared to some people, to have racial-over-tones. This has been stated, time and time again.

Endemol won't allow racism on the show.

This is what they say. Am I wrong?
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I have explained in detail what (part-time-racist-comments) are about in depth.

I doubt that we shall agree. So I shall move on.

There were definite racially motivated remarks from Jade, Danielle and Jo and nothing anyone says can change that fact.

To be ignorant to the facts is not to disprove anything.

By the way, Endemol say they dont allow racism because if they didnt say that, their show would be cancelled. It is a formality which was not adhered to in January, but people turn a blind eye if things can be sorted out.

I can see by the Capital letters that you were offended and it is lovely for Jade to show how sorry she was.

Theres nothing lovely about anything Jade has done. every single apology she makes is in complete and utter shame. She was offensive to help her career, and any sort of apology is the best that can be offered, but it certainly doesnt make her gracious in any way.

Welcome, lonnmordare.

A few questions from my posts, Okay, I shall explain your doubts:-

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We are talking about something which took place in January. That is true.

Sadly, the Newspapers are still on about all of this and Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd have lives to lead and an image to keep, also, they would like to feel safe.

Sorry if this bores you. It is just watch & learn time for some.
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Jade is one of those types of girl's who craves the lime-light of being a celebrity and in every Newspaper & Magazine she could.

But these days, things are quite different.

You must appreciate this:- lonnmordare

Jade doesn't want to stay at home and hide away and just look after her children.

She looks after her children and at the same time, does what she can to make good and also try and clear her name.

She did apologise, we all know that. But, she is doing much more good, by helping a worthy charity and even offering to wear a "Sari" too.

Many have chosen to believe that she is generally a bad person? Well, why is she worth 8 million pound then?

perfume & fitness only?? come on, get real?
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Jade Goody didn't have to give any money away.

Danielle & Jo didn't. Were they lynched??
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When I said Jade Goody was a royal, I was actually saying, that, she is hounded by the media and quoted in the media too.

The Royal's have it worse. But, Jade is very close right now.

That is very true.
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Jade does come over bad on the three reality shows, where she was a housemate.

I have brought this up previous, whereby she may be playing to the cameras and exaggerating her personality to a greater degree.

This is the mistake which has made people cloud their judgement of her today.

Many don't like her looks, her attitude, her voice, etc..

Jo O'Meara just made that stupid mistake of not being sorry at all and saying that she would do it all over again.

A mistake too far...

and Danielle Lloyd, well, people can't see past her great stunning looks, so she is different!
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I only offered to add the Youtube videos, for further scrutinization from the disbelievers, that's all.

Jade does a lot of shouting on these shows, that is true.

She talks very fast as well

Many hate her voice. Shilpa said that it bothered her.

I would also say:- lonnmordare, that, this was never about arguments, it was only about one colour of skin, against another colour of skin. Nothing else.

Words which offended and all that stuff...
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You are right about Endemol's position.

They do have their hands tied slightly and admitting to stuff like this is never good politically, but most of all "Financially".

I agree
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Jade's apologies are much more honest than you think.

You need to study each interview and scrutinize every part.

It is not a case of knowing a girl like Jade and saying that she is my friend and she would never intentionally do this.

That would always sound bias.

So, we have to look into each section of the evidence available and each word said and the order in which it was said and the interviews especially.

If you get some spare time;- lonnmordare

Start with the Davina interview and then the Dermot one.

They are much better than the horrible News Of The World interview, which is very upsetting indeed.