Did Saara lose because of song choice

[Denver]

The Winner Takes It All was the song she sang when she won her 1st public vote so if she had sang that like her fans wanted do you reckon she would have won?

[Adamw92]

No. it may have been a little closer if she'd done something other than Oh So Quiet but Matt managed to snag the 5 After MIdnight voters so she wasn't going to win either way :(

[Amy Jade]

Nope. Brexit.

[Cherie]

Matt Clinched it singing the John Lewis song

[Shaun]

His duet was more of a "moment" what with the OTT stage production and glitter cannon. And as Cherie said, every song he sang was meticulously calculated to be current and "what the public want". Plus there are those that won't vote for women in reality TV competitions, so 5AM's fanbase most likely went to him.

[lewis111]

She literally could not have done any better. I think people had already decided before tonight and 5AM voters moved to Matt when they went out.

[Nicky91]

yes definitely :)

[Strictly Jake]

I think she had really good song choices

What I find so strange is that we didnt get to hear both of them sing the winners song

[Shaun]

What I find so strange is that we didnt get to hear both of them sing the winners song

Turns out once was enough for that dirge

[Epic.]

Singing the Winner Takes It All does tend to be a huge encouragement based on those lyrics. I know it would certainly make it closer than the 8% mark

[Niamh.]

I think she was probably at a disadvantage because she wasn't British tbh

[Withano]

I cant imagine many people actually listen to the songs and voted for the best on the night
People had a firm first, second and third favourite before the show begun and nothing would have changed that.

[LukeB]

Nope, Brexit is the reason. People have issues with foreigners being on UK TV and saw some tweets saying "it would be weird seeing someone from finland winning a UK show"

[reece(:]

Brexit did it!

[Firewire]

I don't think so considering Matt's second song last night was much worse than Saara's

[Cherie]

i think Simon was very keen for her to win as he really did plug her over Matt but the GBP will have their way, I don't think Brexit was a factor as 5am would have beaten her into third, as Shaun said he got the 5am vote as she was winning on vote freeze

[Liam-]

No, she lost because she's a foreign lesbian woman who was up against a supposedly 'attractive' young white British male.

[Niamh.]

i think Simon was very keen for her to win as he really did plug her over Matt but the GBP will have their way, I don't think Brexit was a factor as 5am would have beaten her into third, as Shaun said he got the 5am vote as she was winning on vote freeze

Wouldn't that just strengthen the "Brexit" case though?, all those who were voting for British acts transferred their votes to the other British act when they were eliminated.

[Cherie]

Wouldn't that just strengthen the "Brexit" case though?, all those who were voting for British acts transferred their votes to the other British act when they were eliminated.

5am fans would mainly be girls so they would transfer to Matt I think, if people were voting on nationality she wouldn't have topped the vote for two weeks and been top when the vote was frozen.

[LukeB]

Wouldn't that just strengthen the "Brexit" case though?, all those who were voting for British acts transferred their votes to the other British act when they were eliminated.

:smug:

She would have won for sure if she was British because no one would have a issue with her winning a uk show. It's pretty known about brexit and that ignorant people have issues with foreigners being on UK show and winning a UK show. Nicole even egged those people on with her shadyness too because of her comments.

[Niamh.]

5am fans would mainly be girls so they would transfer to Matt I think, if people were voting on nationality she wouldn't have topped the vote for two weeks and been top when the vote was frozen.

Obviously not everyone would be voting on nationality but I think alot would be not that there's anything wrong with that either though imo

[Cherie]

:smug:

She would have won for sure if she was British because no one would have a issue with her winning a uk show. It's pretty known about brexit and that ignorant people have issues with foreigners being on UK show and winning a UK show. Nicole even egged those people on with her shadyness too because of her comments.

How come she was top at vote freeze then? If people were voting on nationality she would never had made the final never mind top 2

[LukeB]

How come she was top at vote freeze then? If people were voting on nationality she would never had made the final never mind top 2

only by 2% so Matt being british he was going to catch up eventually because god forbid a finnish person winning a UK show.

[Cherie]

only by 2% so Matt being british he was going to catch up eventually because god forbid a finnish person winning a UK show.

Foreign acts have won BGT , an American has has won CBB, so sorry no it's nothing to do with Brexit, it personal choice and the demographic of the voting public which apparantly is young girls and cat ladies, the revenge of the cat lady....:hehe:

[LukeB]

Foreign acts have won BGT , an American has has won CBB, so sorry no it's nothing to do with Brexit, it personal choice and the demographic of the voting public which apparantly is young girls and cat ladies, the revenge of the cat lady....:hehe:

yeah only one foreign act/who doesn't live in England has has won BGT, that's pretty much like saying I can't be racist because my friend is black. over 90% RTV winners are from england. It's very rare a foreigner wins. The odds are always in british peoples favour and there's been loads of comments saying how it isn't right how a non-uk person wins a UK show. Cat ladies,horny females do play into it but so do ignorant uneducated viewers too

[Amy Jade]

I literally saw tweets on the second night saying people would rather vote Matt because he was British and Saara should go home, dont let the foreigner win etc

With such a small margin I 100% believe there was a factor of nationality persuading people to vote for the 'home act'

Nicole encouraged it on night one and many fans called it out.

[Amy Jade]

Foreign acts have won BGT , an American has has won CBB, so sorry no it's nothing to do with Brexit, it personal choice and the demographic of the voting public which apparantly is young girls and cat ladies, the revenge of the cat lady....:hehe:

Isn't it just one foreign act in how many series? and lets not pretend tgere wasn't an outcry over it.

[LukeB]

Isn't it just one foreign act in how many series? and lets not pretend tgere wasn't an outcry over it.

9/10 BGT winners are from the UK and the other one is a foreigner and you are right people did moan about it.

[LukeB]

I literally saw tweets on the second night saying people would rather vote Matt because he was British and Saara should go home, dont let the foreigner win etc

With such a small margin I 100% believe there was a factor of nationality persuading people to vote for the 'home act'

Nicole encouraged it on night one and many fans called it out.

I saw loads of these too "i'm not being xenophobic here but it's not right Saara winning a UK show" like it shouldn't really matter

this is why I prefer euro vision because we get none of that

[Marsh.]

I literally saw tweets on the second night saying people would rather vote Matt because he was British and Saara should go home, dont let the foreigner win etc

With such a small margin I 100% believe there was a factor of nationality persuading people to vote for the 'home act'

Nicole encouraged it on night one and many fans called it out.

I've seen tweets of homophobia and racism, doesn't mean everyone's like that.

Twitter isn't everyone.

[Ross.]

Oh leave Marsh!

[Amy Jade]

Nobody is saying twitter is everyone or that EVERYONE thinks in such a pathetic way, some prefered Matt and that's fine (although I don't get it) I am just pointing out what I saw and it wasn't one incident either, saw a lot of it.

People flat out saying things like 'best vote matt so the yodler doesnt win', 'vote Matt #### dont let a foreign person win' and the worst I saw was basically saying **** off home

[Jack_]

I think it's best to take an intersectional approach to analysing this, lord knows my thoughts on Brexit Britain, but it seems a bit reductive to blame her defeat solely on that.

It of course will have played a part, but so too will others factors. She reprised the wrong song, it's irrelevant whether she came second after doing it the first time around, The Winner Takes It All was her 'moment' and the chance to show off her vocal range. Matt getting to sing a song that's featured on the most anticipated advert of the year for no reason at all wouldn't have helped matters either, that's a massive pimping if I ever saw one. And then of course vote transfers from 5AM, along with casual voters/Middle England will have played a part.

It's hard to say whether she'd have won given different song choices, but I do think the gap would've been significantly smaller (it was surprisingly large given how close it was on the Saturday). I also think it's interesting to consider how a better duet partner for 5AM may have carried them through, and subsequently presented her with an easier path to victory. We'll never really know.

[LukeB]

Saara had I don't know my own strength which realistically THAT felt like a winning moment, it should have won her the competition. That song was a strong powerful choice.

[Niamh.]

Saara had I don't know my own strength which realistically THAT felt like a winning moment, it should have won her the competition. That song was a strong powerful choice.

I didn't watch the whole series through but tbf Matt had a really good voice too, who is "better" is completely subjective

[Jack_]

Her Whitney performance was great, yes, but is it the song (and arrangement of, for that matter) that's featured on this year's John Lewis advert? No, and given 95% of the viewers probably wrongly assumed that was going to be his winner's single, I think that would've put him at a huge advantage

[cliffxen]

I didn't watch the whole series through but tbf Matt had a really good voice too, who is "better" is completely subjective

If you take the whole series into consideration, Saara clearly is better. But based on the finals alone, Saara definitely wasn't at her best.

[Niamh.]

If you take the whole series into consideration, Saara clearly is better. But based on the finals alone, Saara definitely wasn't at her best.

It's still subjective though, that's just your opinion. She may have preformed more flawlessly but the doesn't mean people will like her voice more :shrug:

[LukeB]

I didn't watch the whole series through but tbf Matt had a really good voice too, who is "better" is completely subjective

he does but it didn't really go anywhere for me. but as I said Saara's second song should have won it her because she sang it amazingly well and it felt like it was her winners moment, I didn't really get that with Matt. during the finale there is always that winners moment, Leona Lewis - All by myself, Alexandra Burke ft Beyonce - Listen, Louisa Johnson - It's a mans world etc.

[Kazanne]

Matt Clinched it singing the John Lewis song

I thought Purple Rain did it for him Cherie,I really liked that.

[Cherie]

9/10 BGT winners are from the UK and the other one is a foreigner and you are right people did moan about it.

Because 90 per cent of the acts are British :laugh: everyone moans about everything these days, just moaning for the sake of moaning...I'm not sure what all the fuss is about she will get a deal and finishing 2nd hasn't done 1D, JOS, Olly Murs any harm

[Cherie]

I thought Purple Rain did it for him Cherie,I really liked that.

I loved it too. I didn't vote though even on the free app

[Ashley.]

Nobody is saying twitter is everyone or that EVERYONE thinks in such a pathetic way, some prefered Matt and that's fine (although I don't get it) I am just pointing out what I saw and it wasn't one incident either, saw a lot of it.

People flat out saying things like 'best vote matt so the yodler doesnt win', 'vote Matt #### dont let a foreign person win' and the worst I saw was basically saying **** off home

Danielle Lloyd will do anything for a little bit of attention. :bored:

I agree though, I couldn't predict just how many but I'm sure a lot of votes for Matt were those who quite plainly just didn't want Saara to win.

[Adamw92]

I honestly think it was just down to 5AM voters switching to the only other act they would like... another "attractive" male act. It seems quite straight forward when you look at the number of votes recieved (it was something like 3.5 million on the Saturday which means 5AM had 500,000 to 600,000 of those votes which is almost the exact amount of votes Matt beat Saara by.

[Denver]

I honestly think it was just down to 5AM voters switching to the only other act they would like... another "attractive" male act. It seems quite straight forward when you look at the number of votes recieved (it was something like 3.5 million on the Saturday which means 5AM had 500,000 to 600,000 of those votes which is almost the exact amount of votes Matt beat Saara by.

5AM would have knocked Matt out had they had The Weeknd :fist:

[Adamw92]

5AM would have knocked Matt out had they had The Weeknd :fist:

Quite possibly. I think Matt's votes would just go to them on the Sunday though so I think Saara was screwed either way. The fact that she only lost by 8% is pretty good considering she had the whole "not being British" thing going on for her. Maybe she would have stood a chance if Emily had made the final instead of Matt.

[Marsh.]

Nope. Brexit.

Absolute bollocks.

[Marsh.]

Nope, Brexit is the reason. People have issues with foreigners being on UK TV and saw some tweets saying "it would be weird seeing someone from finland winning a UK show"

Because UK reality shows have never had foreign winners.

[Marsh.]

5am fans would mainly be girls so they would transfer to Matt I think, if people were voting on nationality she wouldn't have topped the vote for two weeks and been top when the vote was frozen.

This. If the viewers are so xenophobic, the girl wouldn't have made it anywhere near the final.

[Amy Jade]

Absolute bollocks.

No it's not at all. I'd debate it further but if that's as much as you have to say then I'd be wasting my time.

Also in response to your reply to Luke, yes they have...and people have gone mad about it.