UK: Xmas Terror threat halted 6 Arrested

[arista]

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Well done Lads
keeping us safe


Some Xmas Markets
have had Massive Concrete Blocks
at the start of the them.

No data : Only that Police confirm it was
a Terrorism Group Arrested etc

Ref: GMBHD itv Live / SkyNewsHD/ CNN HD news

[Kizzy]

Way to justify more armed officers....It's for your protection.
#militia

[Cherie]

Did they arrest 6 mannequins ...:think:

[Northern Monkey]

Our intelligence services are doing an excellent job.:clap1:

[arista]

Did they arrest 6 mannequins ...:think:

No a Evil Team
getting ready to murder British Public

[arista]

Our intelligence services are doing an excellent job.:clap1:



Yes one of 6 was in London Zone

[arista]

Way to justify more armed officers....It's for your protection.
#militia


I prefer Machine
Gun officer's near shops
it means any Terrorist
has to fight them first.
So it means any
Terrorist will die FAST

[DemolitionRed]

Perhaps its time our government remind themselves of the ‘Fourth Principle’ by Sir Robert Thompson.

We don’t need armed police and our government know this but it adds to public paranoia and fear and gives us that false sense of security as well as satisfying us all that something is being done.

[Livia]

Our intelligence services are doing an excellent job.:clap1:

So true Monkey. I'm very proud of them.

[Cherie]

Perhaps its time our government remind themselves of the ‘Fourth Principle’ by Sir Robert Thompson.

We don’t need armed police and our government know this but it adds to public paranoia and fear and gives us that false sense of security as well as satisfying us all that something is being done.

How would you have stopped the guy mowing down the public in France without a gun DR?

[Northern Monkey]

So true Monkey. I'm very proud of them.

Yep that's atleast thirteen terror plots in around two years that they've stopped now.We are lucky to have MI5 and our Counter Terrorism Units.

[UserSince2005]

How would you have stopped the guy mowing down the public in France without a gun DR?

You have been keeping an eye on him for weeks and notice he has bought a van and is checking out the promenade on many visits and so you arrest him before he gets in the van.

We would have got that bastard way before he got to commit his crimes. The French need to take tips.

[Kizzy]

How would you have stopped the guy mowing down the public in France without a gun DR?

Are you going to post officers everywhere in every town 24/7?... Because that's what it would take.

[Cherie]

Are you going to post officers everywhere in every town 24/7?... Because that's what it would take.

I thought there wasn't a threat and this was all dreamed up by the government to create paranoia :idc: I've said many times it would actually be impossible to stop a terrorist action as they can blow themselves up anywhere, anytime but at least it might be possible to prevent futher deaths if the terrorist is using a vehicle or a gun by taking him out if some police are armed

[jennyjuniper]

Yep that's atleast thirteen terror plots in around two years that they've stopped now.We are lucky to have MI5 and our Counter Terrorism Units.

The unsung heroes.:cheer2:

[DemolitionRed]

How would you have stopped the guy mowing down the public in France without a gun DR?

Both the gendarmerie and the municipal police have a choice of carrying arms and in big cities most of them are expected to.

A visible armed police force won’t or at least shouldn’t settle the nerves of the anxious public because when you look at it logically, no amount of armed police are going to stop someone walking down any high street or through any busy shopping center and blowing themselves up. The chances are, they will kill as many police officers as possible.

[Kizzy]

I thought there wasn't a threat and this was all dreamed up by the government to create paranoia :idc: I've said many times it would actually be impossible to stop a terrorist action as they can blow themselves up anywhere, anytime but at least it might be possible to prevent futher deaths if the terrorist is using a vehicle or a gun by taking him out if some police are armed

Where did I say it isn't paranoia? We have an armed response that would be there in minutes, as attacks are so random unless you want the whole force armed what is the point of a handful wandering around?

[Cherie]

Where did I say it isn't paranoia? We have an armed response that would be there in minutes, as attacks are so random unless you want the whole force armed what is the point of a handful wandering around?

13 foiled in the last 2 years, Yes very random

[Ninastar]

13 foiled in the last 2 years, Yes very random

And thats just the ones that we've been 'allowed' to hear about. I personally think there have been many, many more

[anne666]

Our intelligence services are doing an excellent job.:clap1:

Hear hear.

[Kizzy]

13 foiled in the last 2 years, Yes very random

13 were foiled due to intelligence not any visual deterrent though, if we can prevent terrorism without armed officers on parade on our streets what is the case for having them?...

[Brillopad]

13 were foiled due to intelligence not any visual deterrent though, if we can prevent terrorism without armed officers on parade on our streets what is the case for having them?...

What is the case for not?

I don't see a problem with having armed officers on our streets - it shows we mean business. Most countries in Europe do - with all these murdering religous nutters about it has become a necessity. We don't know what innocent lives might be saved by doing so. It's about being prepared for any situation and saving lives.

Besides with all those hate-filled terrorists out there with guns, bombs and god knows what else I would much prefer the good guys were suitably armed as well.

[arista]

13 were foiled due to intelligence not any visual deterrent though, if we can prevent terrorism without armed officers on parade on our streets what is the case for having them?...

Yes Kizzy 3 of them from Saudi Arabia
saving OUR lives

[DemolitionRed]

Yes Kizzy 3 of them from Saudi Arabia
saving OUR lives

3 terrorists from Saudi Arabia saving our lives???

[Kizzy]

What is the case for not?

I don't see a problem with having armed officers on our streets - it shows we mean business. Most countries in Europe do - with all these murdering religous nutters about it has become a necessity. We don't know what innocent lives might be saved by doing so. It's about being prepared for any situation and saving lives.

Besides with all those hate-filled terrorists out there with guns, bombs and god knows what else I would much prefer the good guys were suitably armed as well.

Suddenly Europe is de rigueur?

We obviously don't need them, they would take valuable funds away from counter terrorist intelligence units as well as being ineffective unless the incident happened right in front of them.

[Kizzy]

Yes Kizzy 3 of them from Saudi Arabia
saving OUR lives

Ah right, we have justified selling arms to Saudi as they have been said to share intelligence?

[arista]

Ah right, we have justified selling arms to Saudi as they have been said to share intelligence?


Yes we will keep selling arms to them
British workers jobs on the line with
Left Wingers

[DemolitionRed]

Yes we will keep selling arms to them
British workers jobs on the line with
Left Wingers

I take it that you're aware of our part in the Yemen crisis?

Whilst our charities desperately try to get funds off the British public to help the starving, both U.S and British arms dealers have reaped billions of dollars selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

[Brillopad]

I take it that you're aware of our part in the Yemen crisis?

Whilst our charities desperately try to get funds off the British public to help the starving, both U.S and British arms dealers have reaped billions of dollars selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Why is it always our fault, people always trying to lay a guilt rip on the good old British public. We can't help everyone and we have enough problems of our own - I don't think younger people really understand the extent of the crises in the hospitals and social care because these are usually issues more likely to affect people as they get older and as their parents become in need of a lot of care.

They are full of idealism about helping others in need without appreciating just how many people here need help. We need to cut our overseas budget to help our own and should not feel guilty about it, never mind being made to feel guilty about giving even more to charities. The world's problems are not our responsibility. We do help, a lot, but there comes a point ....

[arista]

Yes DR
"I take it that you're aware of our part in the Yemen crisis?"

I am FULLY aware
but we do not Fire any weapons
we just Sell them.

That Yemen civil war
is not even on USA News , much.

So its a proxy war
Saudi - Iran.
like Boris said.


I know someone who works in the UK Factory.
Her Job is on the line
because of Fecking Left Wingers (trouble makers)

The Cogs are Turning

[DemolitionRed]

Why is it always our fault, people always trying to lay a guilt rip on the good old British public. We can't help everyone and we have enough problems of our own - I don't think younger people really understand the extent of the crises in the hospitals and social care because these are usually issues more likely to affect people as they get older and as their parents become in need of a lot of care.

They are full of idealism about helping others in need without appreciating just how many people here need help. We need to cut our overseas budget to help our own and should not feel guilty about it, never mind being made to feel guilty about giving even more to charities. The world's problems are not our responsibility. We do help, a lot, but there comes a point ....

Here's a trick that might help you. Address what I actually write--don't change any of it. Don't pretend that I wrote something slightly different because that's more convenient. Stick to the logical implications, not the speculative exaggerations.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes DR
"I take it that you're aware of our part in the Yemen crisis?"

I am FULLY aware
but we do not Fire any weapons
we just Sell them.

That Yemen civil war
is not even on USA News , much.

So its a proxy war
Saudi - Iran.
like Boris said.


I know someone who works in the UK Factory.
Her Job is on the line
because of Fecking Left Wingers (trouble makers)

The Cogs are Turning

OMG, you mean someone's trying to stop the weapons factory sending weapons to Saudi? How awful Arista, just befor Xmas too.

[Livia]

The people selling the arms aren't responsible for pulling the trigger. Unless your understanding of warfare is a little skewed. The people responsible for the killings and those DOING the killings.

[Livia]

Why is it always our fault, people always trying to lay a guilt rip on the good old British public. We can't help everyone and we have enough problems of our own - I don't think younger people really understand the extent of the crises in the hospitals and social care because these are usually issues more likely to affect people as they get older and as their parents become in need of a lot of care.

They are full of idealism about helping others in need without appreciating just how many people here need help. We need to cut our overseas budget to help our own and should not feel guilty about it, never mind being made to feel guilty about giving even more to charities. The world's problems are not our responsibility. We do help, a lot, but there comes a point ....

And so it will always be, Brillo. There is so much hatred and shame for Britain on this forum.

[DemolitionRed]

If we arm one side of a war then we support that side… simple as. If we arm a country like Saudi which has violated international humanitarian law both in Yemen and Syria (by arming ISIS,) then we have to take some responsibility for the 10,000 lives lost and the thousands now dying from disease and starvation. If you don't get that, then I feel sorry for you.

Sighs...seriously, what has any of this got to do with hating Britain?

I don't want Britain to aid the war on Yemen= I hate Britain

[Livia]

If we arm one side of a war then we support that side… simple as. If we arm a country like Saudi which has violated international humanitarian law both in Yemen and Syria (by arming ISIS,) then we have to take some responsibility for the 10,000 lives lost and the thousands now dying from disease and starvation. If you don't get that, then I feel sorry for you.

Sigh...seriously, what has any of this got to do with hating Britain?

I don't want Britain to aid the war on Yemen= I hate Britain




Doing business with a country does not mean you support them. France sold Argentina the Exocet missile during the Falklands conflict, missiles which killed some of our troops. Does that mean that they support Argentina and are no longer our ally? And are we going to hear you moan about France for that, and hold them accountable for the war? No of course not. And if you don't get that, it is I who feel sorry for you.

[Brillopad]

And so it will always be, Brillo. There is so much hatred and shame for Britain on this forum.

I agree and it's very frustrating. Britain has a lot to be proud of - hence why so many want to come here. People should appreciate the opportunities this country offers them - it is up to them what they make of those opportunities.

Personally I think a lot is based on ignorance and jealousy. A small little island that has always stood its ground when faced with conflict and moved with the times in things like freedom and democracy. Human beings will never be perfect but this little country and what it represents is up there with the best of them in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

The people selling the arms aren't responsible for pulling the trigger. Unless your understanding of warfare is a little skewed. The people responsible for the killings and those DOING the killings.


http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/08675r2en8.pdf


We have a responsibility as an EU member, (we are still in the EU) as such whoever is pulling the trigger becomes irrelevant.

[Cherie]

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/08675r2en8.pdf


We have a responsibility as an EU member, (we are still in the EU) as such whoever is pulling the trigger becomes irrelevant.

We agree, it's been a while :amazed:

[Livia]

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/08675r2en8.pdf


We have a responsibility as an EU member, (we are still in the EU) as such whoever is pulling the trigger becomes irrelevant.

We have no responsibility to the EU in this case. The EU voted for an arms embargo... but it is not legally binding so neither the UK nor the EU has a valid embargo against Saudi.

[empire]

the politicians in this country and in europe, and the level of arrogance that these f''kwits tell there fellow citizens that we have to abide by there laws, culture and norms, and even the beliefs of these guys who just arrive in the west, and I heard that one thousand muslims marched in a very posh area of london demanding that the city be a caliphate, and I bet the rich folks will change there tune after these guys walked past there street, I think people in this country and in europe don't want to admit it, but we are already in a ethnic and religious war,

[T*]

Way to justify more armed officers....It's for your protection.
#militia

erm

[Kizzy]

We have no responsibility to the EU in this case. The EU voted for an arms embargo... but it is not legally binding so neither the UK nor the EU has a valid embargo against Saudi.

Nope, we are just in violation.

'While the European Parliament has a rather limited role in EU foreign policy, by calling EU Member States to order over their arms transfer practices it has demonstrated a welcome commitment to scrutinising the implementation of the EU Common Position on arms exports. And although the Common Position notes that “the decision to transfer or deny the transfer of any military technology or equipment shall remain at the national discretion of each Member State”, it creates a legal obligation on Member States to ensure the conformity of their national policies with its provisions (see Article 29 of the Treaty on European Union).

Therefore, while some EU Member States have supplied and continue to authorise arms transfers to Saudi Arabia and coalition countries that are at risk of being used in the conflict, the EP Resolution recognises that “such transfers are in violation of [EU] Common Position 2008/944/CFSP on arms export control, which explicitly rules out the authorising of arms licences by Member States if there is a clear risk that the military technology or equipment to be exported might be used to commit serious violations of international humanitarian law and to undermine regional peace, security and stability.”

In addition, the Resolution’s call for the establishment of an EU arms embargo was supported by a majority of Members of the European Parliament (359 voted in favour, 212 against and 31 abstained) and received significant cross-party and cross-country backing, in spite of intense Saudi lobbying against the resolution.'

http://www.saferworld.org.uk/news-and-views/comment/207-the-european-parliament-called-for-an-eu-arms-embargo-against-saudi-arabia-now-what

[DemolitionRed]

Nope, we are just in violation.

'While the European Parliament has a rather limited role in EU foreign policy, by calling EU Member States to order over their arms transfer practices it has demonstrated a welcome commitment to scrutinising the implementation of the EU Common Position on arms exports. And although the Common Position notes that “the decision to transfer or deny the transfer of any military technology or equipment shall remain at the national discretion of each Member State”, it creates a legal obligation on Member States to ensure the conformity of their national policies with its provisions (see Article 29 of the Treaty on European Union).

Therefore, while some EU Member States have supplied and continue to authorise arms transfers to Saudi Arabia and coalition countries that are at risk of being used in the conflict, the EP Resolution recognises that “such transfers are in violation of [EU] Common Position 2008/944/CFSP on arms export control, which explicitly rules out the authorising of arms licences by Member States if there is a clear risk that the military technology or equipment to be exported might be used to commit serious violations of international humanitarian law and to undermine regional peace, security and stability.”

In addition, the Resolution’s call for the establishment of an EU arms embargo was supported by a majority of Members of the European Parliament (359 voted in favour, 212 against and 31 abstained) and received significant cross-party and cross-country backing, in spite of intense Saudi lobbying against the resolution.'

http://www.saferworld.org.uk/news-and-views/comment/207-the-european-parliament-called-for-an-eu-arms-embargo-against-saudi-arabia-now-what

Its doubtful that many on here will be interested in that nice little snippet of information.

Sighs... did you only research this because you hate Britain? :nono:!!

[Kizzy]

We can't live in our colonialist bubbles forever can we? I am fiercely proud of our anti establishment, civil liberty, social justice heritage that is what makes me proud to be British, no matter what anyone says it is not in our nature to roll over.
The only thing great about Britain and of course the rest of the UK is the will of the people,
this is what I feel is under the greatest threat.

[Brillopad]

We can't live in our colonialist bubbles forever can we? I am fiercely proud of our anti establishment, civil liberty, social justice heritage that is what makes me proud to be British, no matter what anyone says it is not in our nature to roll over.
The only thing great about Britain and of course the rest of the UK is the will of the people,
this is what I feel is under the greatest threat.

The will of the people is Brexit but you seem keen for someone to put a spanner in the works on that.

[DemolitionRed]

We can't live in our colonialist bubbles forever can we? I am fiercely proud of our anti establishment, civil liberty, social justice heritage that is what makes me proud to be British, no matter what anyone says it is not in our nature to roll over.
The only thing great about Britain and of course the rest of the UK is the will of the people,
this is what I feel is under the greatest threat.

:clap1:


Brillowpad

The will of the people is Brexit but you seem keen for someone to put a spanner in the works on that.


The will of just over half the population (including me) is Brexit but lets remember that nearly half "the people" were against it.

[Brillopad]

:clap1:



The will of just over half the population (including me) is Brexit but lets remember that nearly half "the people" were against it.

That's how the voting system works, and it was about another million more. In any public vote those with less votes have to accept defeat and make the best of it. Everyone can't get what they want, someone has to lose. Constantly whinging and moaning about it doesn't reflect well on the losing side.

[Brillopad]

Suddenly Europe is de rigueur?

We obviously don't need them, they would take valuable funds away from counter terrorist intelligence units as well as being ineffective unless the incident happened right in front of them.

And if that one incident saves lives is is worth it.

[jaxie]

Both the gendarmerie and the municipal police have a choice of carrying arms and in big cities most of them are expected to.

A visible armed police force won’t or at least shouldn’t settle the nerves of the anxious public because when you look at it logically, no amount of armed police are going to stop someone walking down any high street or through any busy shopping center and blowing themselves up. The chances are, they will kill as many police officers as possible.

I have to disagree with you. Armed police would have a good chance of eliminating a suspect before they detonate a bomb so I think they do have a place.

I don't think it's appropriate for some of the comments I've read here about a police state blah blah. No one is perfect but our security forces put their lives on the line for us. They deserve our respect and support. Putting on a uniform can be like painting a target on yourself. They are very brave.

[jaxie]

That's how the voting system works, and it was about another million more. In any public vote those with less votes have to accept defeat and make the best of it. Everyone can't get what they want, someone has to lose. Constantly whinging and moaning about it doesn't reflect well on the losing side.

:clap1:

[jaxie]

Ah right, we have justified selling arms to Saudi as they have been said to share intelligence?

Are you saying that all arms sales end when there is a labour government. Lets have a little glance back to just before 2010 when the cluster bombs were sold to Saudi, well goodness that was Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Your friend Corbyn's mates sold them the bombs.

[Kizzy]

Are you saying that all arms sales end when there is a labour government. Lets have a little glance back to just before 2010 when the cluster bombs were sold to Saudi, well goodness that was Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Your friend Corbyn's mates sold them the bombs.

Nope, it was thatcher.

The admission came in advance of a statement by Britain’s defence secretary, Michael Fallon, admitting that UK-supplied cluster bombs had been used by Saudi Arabian-led forces. Fallon told the House of Commons that a “limited number” of BL755 cluster munitions exported from the UK in the 1980s had been dropped by the Arab coalition.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/saudi-arabia-admits-use-uk-made-cluster-bombs-yemen

[jaxie]

Nope, it was thatcher.

The admission came in advance of a statement by Britain’s defence secretary, Michael Fallon, admitting that UK-supplied cluster bombs had been used by Saudi Arabian-led forces. Fallon told the House of Commons that a “limited number” of BL755 cluster munitions exported from the UK in the 1980s had been dropped by the Arab coalition.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/saudi-arabia-admits-use-uk-made-cluster-bombs-yemen

The government referred to in these articles in regard arms and hypocrisy were Labour.

http://www.gsdrc.org/document-library/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-a-decade-of-labours-arms-exports/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/503495.stm

[Kizzy]

The government referred to in these articles in regard arms and hypocrisy were Labour.

http://www.gsdrc.org/document-library/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-a-decade-of-labours-arms-exports/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/503495.stm

Applied knowledge service?..... Is this another name for fake news site? :/

The govt is attempting to distance itself?...

But let's look at that article...

He added: "We have banned land mines. We have banned torture equipment. We do not supply arms anywhere in the world for internal repression or external aggression."

On Indonesia, Mr Hain said: "The fact is that we have not sold arms under the Labour government to Indonesia which could be used for internal repression or external aggression."

He added: "Under the last full year of the Tory government they sold £443m worth of arms to Indonesia. Under the first full year of the Labour government that was £2m."


Shadow Defence Secretary Iain Duncan Smith accused the government of hypocrisy over its approach to arms sales. "While Conservatives welcome the news of a strong defence industry, Labour face the continued embarrassment of their blatant hypocrisy on arms sales," said Mr Duncan Smith.

"All of the pre-election talk of turning swords into ploughshares has been shown up to be another part of the great Labour lie. Labour preach a holier than thou policy on arms sales, but the truth is that they have continued exactly the same policy as the Conservatives."


So the conservative policy isto maximise arms sales?
And they continue to do so, as we are now being made aware.