Christmas Terror: Terrorist drives lorry into Berlin Christmas market

[Crimson Dynamo]

Truck driven into a market, many injured

source 5 live...

[LaLaLand]

What!? :O

[arista]

Yes Not good News LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4049442/Terror-attack-fears-lorry-ploughs-Christmas-market-Berlin-leaving-two-people-dead.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

UK security forces said that Xmas markets would be targetted

[arista]

SkyNewsHD live Now

one dead so far
but many more numbers to add
LBC LIVE

[LaLaLand]

This is awful.

[T*]

D:

[arista]

This is awful.

Its getting worse


Real Time Live News on tibb
By Arista and LT

[UserSince2005]

My beau is in germany, I cannot get a hold of him :bawling:

[Rob!]

BBC News saying that the driver has fled the scene.
Bastards.

[UserSince2005]

I hope hes okay:bawling:

[arista]

What!? :O

Are you able to switch on any LIVE NEWS?

[LaLaLand]

Are you able to switch on any LIVE NEWS?

Just caught it now on BBC News channel, 2 dead so far.

It just makes me ill, those poor, poor people.

[UserSince2005]

He wont answer his phone!!!

[Shaun]

Oh god :(

[T*]

There would of been kids there trying to enjoy their christmas and have a happy time with their families this is ****ing horrible

[arista]

Just caught it now on BBC News channel, 2 dead so far.

It just makes me ill, those poor, poor people.


France had a Terrorist Truck Driver
he killed loads.

So it looked Easy to do, sadly

[LaLaLand]

France had a Terrorist Truck Driver
he killed loads.

So it looked Easy to do, sadly

Yeah I remember, very similar incident.

There's so much hate in this world and I can't see it getting any better. I dread to think of this world in years to come honestly.

[Kizzy]

Tourist Emma Rushton, from England, tweeted from the scene: 'Lorry just ploughed through Christmas market in #berlin.
'There is no road nearby. People crushed. I am safe. I am safe'.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/19/3B8682A300000578-4049442-image-a-54_1482177204794.jpg

Could it be an accident?

[UserSince2005]

He replied hes okay, phew.

now my thoughts are with the poeple who died.

[Cherie]

D: we thought about Berlin and were to go today but changed our minds, those poor people

[arista]

A British caller on SkyNewsHD
in Berlin just missed the truck going fast

She said you could see it was a Terrorist
plenty folks are there, sadly

It was 45mins to a hour ago

[Cherie]

Tourist Emma Rushton, from England, tweeted from the scene: 'Lorry just ploughed through Christmas market in #berlin.
'There is no road nearby. People crushed. I am safe. I am safe'.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/19/3B8682A300000578-4049442-image-a-54_1482177204794.jpg

Could it be an accident?

Maybe, bit of a coincidence though

[arista]

D: we thought about Berlin and were to go today but changed our minds, those poor people


Yes the lady caller said its a great Local Market
Glad you are safe

[Brillopad]

BBC News saying that the driver has fled the scene.
Bastards.

What would you expect - cowards the lot of them!

[arista]

UK security forces said that Xmas markets would be targetted


Yes LT they DID

[arista]

The Truck
took out all the LIGHTS
go To SkyNewsHD Live

The Driver is Dead Man Walking, I would say

[Cherie]

Yes the lady caller said its a great Local Market
Glad you are safe

:love: thank you

[T*]

It's basically said that it's really unlikely that this is an accident

[UserSince2005]

9

[UserSince2005]

9 beautiful germans have died! for What!

the number is expected to rise.

[Pete.]

Thoughts are with Germany :worry:

Any possibility this and Turkey are linked?

[arista]

It's basically said that it's really unlikely that this is an accident


Yes a Accident
would not carry on at that speed running people down.
choosing to go that way etc.


Sadly by the end of the night
there will be a bigger number of deaths
Its like they had in France

[UserSince2005]

Thoughts are with Germany :worry:

Any possibility this and Turkey are linked?

No other than the fact both were carried about by muslims.

[Brillopad]

9 beautiful germans have died! for What!

the number is expected to rise.

Very likely among all those Merkel allowed to cross their borders into their country.

[Will.]

Oh no :(

[hijaxers]

More familes with the most saddest Christmas losing loved ones , more than likely women , mothers, grandma's , this is so very sad .

[Will.]

What is the world coming to.

[Pete.]

No other than the fact both were carried about by muslims.
It's a bit soon to assume the religion of these attackers :think:

[Kizzy]

It's basically said that it's really unlikely that this is an accident

'Both newspapers reported it was not immediately clear whether the incident was an accident or some kind of an attack on the market. '

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/berlin-truck-crashes-into-christmas-market

[Brillopad]

It's a bit soon to assume the religion of these attackers :think:

Pretty obvious.

[Firewire]

Pretty obvious.

It's not, it's an ignorant assumption.

Even if it turns out to be true, it's not obvious at all.

[Daniel-X]

This is horrible :(

[Brillopad]

What is the world coming to.

Open borders put us all at greater risk.

[T*]

'Both newspapers reported it was not immediately clear whether the incident was an accident or some kind of an attack on the market. '

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/berlin-truck-crashes-into-christmas-market

i'm listening to sky news I just said what I heard....

[arista]

Thoughts are with Germany :worry:

Any possibility this and Turkey are linked?


At this time no links
as in Turkey that Terrorist
was a Hit Man and a Turkish Police Officer

[arista]

Terrorist driver now Arrested or DEAD
the 2nd Terrorist still on the run.

Ref: Live FoxNewsHD and CNN USA

[arista]

Kizzy please put a Live NEWS on

or Live radio
http://www.lbc.co.uk/


not papers

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/20/3B86855900000578-4049442-Police_at_the_site_of_the_Christmas_market_on_Brei tscheidplatz_s-a-71_1482178780160.jpg

[arista]

What is the world coming to.


Its Not the world Will

the "current" USA President is having
a nice Hawaii Holiday
leaving a skeleton staff in charge

[MB.]

Yes, let's blame Obama for this for some reason

[Will.]

I'm watching Sky news.

[Pete.]

Yes, let's blame Obama for this for some reason
I'm sure it's somehow Hillary's fault too

[Alf]

You do know that this isn't going away? Europe is in big trouble, it's not a phase.

[arista]

Yes, let's blame Obama for this for some reason


Do not be Silly
It's FECK ALL TO DO WITH USA

[UserSince2005]

Has president trump released a statement?

[arista]

You do know that this isn't going away? Europe is in big trouble, it's not a phase.


Correct Alf
my Business Mate in Paris
said they are Ready to shoot Terrorists Fast.

The trouble is this was another soft target
EASY Truck 2 Driver Terrorists: One Dead,
one evil punk missing

Its good that some of Our UK Markets
have big concrete Blocks that stop
even a Fast Massive Truck.

[arista]

Has president trump released a statement?


Bugger off with your JOKES
Or Admin will be informed

Trump is not yet President

[Cherie]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/20/3B86855900000578-4049442-Police_at_the_site_of_the_Christmas_market_on_Brei tscheidplatz_s-a-71_1482178780160.jpg

I just read that the lorry is from Poland and the company that owns it lost contact with the driver after 4pm today and that it might be hijacked, I hope the body in the Lorry isn't the Polish driver

[UserSince2005]

Bugger off with your JOKES
Or Admin will be informed

Trump is not yet President

you are horrible :bawling:

[jaxie]

UK security forces said that Xmas markets would be targetted

Once again I'm very thankful for our security forces. My thoughts are with the people hurt in Germany and their families.

[Northern Monkey]

Pray for Germany.It's bad there now.Alot of incidents related to Merkels irresponsible policies.You cannot have open borders in the current climate when sections of the people you're letting in wish to do you harm.The security of your own people needs to be the top priority of any leader.

[Brillopad]

It's not, it's an ignorant assumption.

Even if it turns out to be true, it's not obvious at all.

Yes it is - it is nearly always them causing most of the problems and they make up the majority of terrorists threatening world peace today.

[Rob!]

Its Not the world Will

the "current" USA President is having
a nice Hawaii Holiday
leaving a skeleton staff in charge

Considering this happened in Germany I fail to see the relevance

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/23/article-4049970-3B87313800000578-329_308x419.jpg
In the UK we are ready

[arista]

Considering this happened in Germany I fail to see the relevance

Thats a reply to Will

[Livia]

It's a bit soon to assume the religion of these attackers :think:

This is why it's fair to assume it's probably a Muslim when something like this happens:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

[Glenn.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/23/article-4049970-3B87313800000578-329_308x419.jpg
In the UK we are ready

Quite comforting to see these precautions

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/f48d187dbea63601617a9509fb34cb019e3c71ab7c18b0a29f d0e61b8e7ee12c_3856154.jpg?20161219230341

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/ecccdfb33d4efe93b060034e573de74630e337660bcccdc5b7 fca4be891fa555_3856195.jpg?20161219235533

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/f8ad62e2493a7fee6f61daec3aac7f9cffe9006dd4bb604727 4b33d2b6b1f5f0_3856193.jpg?20161219235425

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/0eb6a812cd03d2836501082a490b6d52bef49bdc11bdf5ec01 a4a6495263f1ee_3856191.jpg?20161219235325

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/6a773a1b1a406255eb6e7752517733f475a3b11497c802a30c f6f34ebe5e299e_3856153.jpg?20161219230259

[Kizzy]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/23/article-4049970-3B87313800000578-329_308x419.jpg
In the UK we are ready

Should there be an individual, or a vehicle, on or in which it was suspected there was a bomb, what would happen if you shot at it?....

[empire]

sadly this attack and loss of life will not change anything in germany because they will re-elect merkel again, because the german voter is too afraid of picking someone who will put the country and the people first over anyone else, and are in fear of being called a fascist, and that has been indoctrinated in the german people for a long time now, everytime there is an attack in france and germany, the people and the politicians bury their heads in the sand because they don't want to admit that the muslim population is at war in there countries.

[arista]

Should there be an individual, or a vehicle, on or in which it was suspected there was a bomb, what would happen if you shot at it?....


Kizzy less will Die


Do you watch DP BBC2HD or record it
it on Mon - Fri.
I have to Record it

Berlin Had Warnings this may happen
Soft Targets are EASY.

Xmas time makes everyone happy
(not me though)


I want to thank Andrew Neil
as he is the only BBC fella who stops
MP's Repeating themselves
Is so sad when the women is on DP BBC2HD (on her own)
MP's can repeat all they want
and they can Trick her?

[Mystic Mock]

sadly this attack and loss of life will not change anything in germany because they will re-elect merkel again, because the german voter is too afraid of picking someone who will put the country and the people first over anyone else, and are in fear of being called a fascist, and that has been indoctrinated in the german people for a long time now, everytime there is an attack in france and germany, the people and the politicians bury their heads in the sand because they don't want to admit that the muslim population is at war in there countries.

BIB, there's not many people in high up positions like what you're suggesting in either left wing or right wing parties.

[arista]

Sad that Polish Driver was found DEAD
in his truck that the ISIS Terrorist HIJACKED
Isis Color is Black

Its Big Truck - Like they used in Nice , France

[arista]

you are horrible :bawling:


I am not
This is Serious Live Topic
no time for YOUR jokes

[LaLaLand]

That poor driver omg. This is bloody awful. Terrifying!

[arista]

That poor driver omg. This is bloody awful. Terrifying!

Yes I think Drivers
should never get out of their Lorry
unless its Real Police or something they trust.

For Example, they (Isis) could have a old person Lying in the road
I would say, reverse and go another way.

At Some Point That Driver was hijacked and Killed
the Polish Company will find out
from Cameras,
If the Isis Terrorist Cut the Camera feed
they will have what went on before that.


In Nice, France it was a Stolen Black Truck etc.

[Ninastar]

People on here never cease to amaze me. I wonder how many more times things like this will have to happen before they wake the **** up.

Rip to those killed... absolutely horrific and I truly feel for their family members

[y.winter]

Europe, welcome to your nightmare.
These are people who are not afraid of dying, moreover they're fascinated by it and celebrate it - the PC movement and your naivety are wonderful for them. Once you let them in, the bomb starts ticking.
But no, let's go to photoshop and make some nice drawing to put alongside a stupid catchy hashtag on twitter and change our profile picture on facebook. Yes, that's what will solve it.

[jennyjuniper]

My husband told me last night that there were 9 dead, several injured. One bastard terrorist shot dead and another one arrested. Terrorists are like rabid animals and should be put down.

[Kizzy]

My husband told me last night that there were 9 dead, several injured. One bastard terrorist shot dead and another one arrested. Terrorists are like rabid animals and should be put down.

Nobody has been shot.

Germany’s interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, urged caution:
There is a psychological effect in the whole country of the choice of words here, and we want to be very, very cautious and operate close to the actual investigation results, not with speculation.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/dec/19/berlin-truck-crash-christmas-market-live

[Cherie]

Nobody has been shot.

Germany’s interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, urged caution:
There is a psychological effect in the whole country of the choice of words here, and we want to be very, very cautious and operate close to the actual investigation results, not with speculation.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/dec/19/berlin-truck-crash-christmas-market-live

There's no speculation that there are 12 dead with many more injured some seriously, or that this was no accident given the Polish driver was found dead in the cab. Of course the minister is going to say this his party are up for reelection next year and he is scrabbling around to lay the blame somewhere other than Merkels open door policy, how very disrespectful to the dead, injured and their families. Hold your hands up Minister and call this what it is.

[arista]

Nobody has been shot.

Germany’s interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, urged caution:
There is a psychological effect in the whole country of the choice of words here, and we want to be very, very cautious and operate close to the actual investigation results, not with speculation.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/dec/19/berlin-truck-crash-christmas-market-live


Kizzy can you please put on any Live news or Free Radio

Germany does all this rubbish - every time
Meanwhile USA TV Live have Reporters in Berlin and Poland.

If you kill the Driver - FACT 1
Pick the same truck as Nice , France had = FACT 2
and the Driver Killed =FACT 3
The Isis Terrorist Runs away from police =FACT 4

"investigation results, not with speculation."

I agree with that Kizzy,

But Withholding the Truth because on New Elections
is DUMB


To me the fact the Isis Terrorist
can be from Pakistan , is not so important
Its the Fact that no German Officers Stopped Him
as its a soft target - not many cops there,
Happy time Xmas Market etc

Thats What We Are NOT doing
and you kizzy ,
object to Armed Police on UK streets?

To me that is SAD

[arista]

"It was definitely deliberate," said the tourist from Birmingham.

Ref : SkyNews Link




Another Real Time Live Fact KIZZY
http://news.sky.com/story/nine-killed-in-lorry-attack-on-berlin-christmas-market-10702656

[Kizzy]

Kizzy can you please put on any Live news or Free Radio

Germany does all this rubbish - every time
Meanwhile USA TV Live have Reporters in Berlin and Poland.

If you kill the Driver - FACT 1
Pick the same truck as Nice , France had = FACT 2
and the Driver is arrested =FACT 3

"investigation results, not with speculation."

I agree with that Kizzy,

But Withholding the Truth because on New Elections
is DUMB



UTTER FACTS

That was a quote from a reputable news source, it's good enough for me. Until it is confirmed I won't be subscribing to any hearsay.

[Northern Monkey]

Berlin attack: Police say lorry crash 'probably terror attack'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38375555

'They have detained the driver, who security sources reportedly say is an Afghan or Pakistani asylum seeker.
He arrived in Germany in February as a refugee, the DPA news agency said.'

[Nicky91]

so sad that this is happening around Christmas :sad:

[RichardG]

sad news, though unfortunately these attacks are such a common occurrence that i'm not too shocked or surprised by it any more..

[Brillopad]

sad news, though unfortunately these attacks are such a common occurrence that i'm not too shocked or surprised by it any more..

These people don't have the intelligence to be original, they have to copy the ideas of others.

All asylum seekers should be rigorously veted and anyone failing the checks or anyone they are unsure about should be deported back to where they came from.

[y.winter]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0G5krEWgAAyq1a.jpg:small

gotta love the new tesla self-driving trucks.
"Truck hits". Stupid media. :facepalm:

[Benjamin]

Those poor families. There's never a good time, it's always going to be painful, but at Christmas. :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

The US Department of State announced on Monday warning travellers that their is a heightened risk of terrorist attacks throughout Europe during the holiday season.

The alert was issued over possible terror attacks at popular Christmas markets.

The Department of State wrote on their website: “US citizens should exercise caution at holiday festivals, events and outdoor markets.


http://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/735636/terror-attack-warning-uk-europe-christmas-markets

[arista]

That was a quote from a reputable news source, it's good enough for me. Until it is confirmed I won't be subscribing to any hearsay.

Yes The Guardian is good, I used to use them
then they messed with the Format Design
- so i said feck you
but they do not work on real time live
they are behind LIVE USA NEWS on UK TV's
Utter Fact

Kizzy , dear You Must have a radio
radio4 radio 5
early morning the same as USA Live TV News on the UK TV
CNN HD clicks direct to USA feed at times.
but I also get Computer Live feeds so mine is 24/7

[arista]

The Isis Terrorist was from Pakistan
NOW CONFIRMED

I said Afghanistan from the early reports
that was wrong

They are nations are next to each other
for any young tibbers learning on this thread

[jaxie]

There's no speculation that there are 12 dead with many more injured some seriously, or that this was no accident given the Polish driver was found dead in the cab. Of course the minister is going to say this his party are up for reelection next year and he is scrabbling around to lay the blame somewhere other than Merkels open door policy, how very disrespectful to the dead, injured and their families. Hold your hands up Minister and call this what it is.

:clap1:

[Cherie]

a Pakistani asylum seeker, 23, turned to Isis ,
who has only been in Germany for few months'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4049442/Terror-attack-fears-lorry-ploughs-Christmas-market-Berlin-leaving-two-people-dead.html#ixzz4TNMI0ENO

This is misinformation apparently this is not the right guy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Germany's Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has given a few more details about the arrested suspect.

He is from Pakistan, arrived in Germany on 31 December last year and came to Berlin in February. He then attempted to bring relatives over to Germany.

His asylum claim has not yet been decided upon. His name appeared in some official databases, but not in anti-terror ones.

Mr de Maiziere also said the pistol apparently used to kill the man found dead in the passenger seat of the truck passenger has not yet been found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-38370364

[arista]

This is misinformation apparently this is not the right guy

Thank You Cherie

[Cherie]

Germany's Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has given a few more details about the arrested suspect.

He is from Pakistan, arrived in Germany on 31 December last year and came to Berlin in February. He then attempted to bring relatives over to Germany.

His asylum claim has not yet been decided upon. His name appeared in some official databases, but not in anti-terror ones.

Mr de Maiziere also said the pistol apparently used to kill the man found dead in the passenger seat of the truck passenger has not yet been found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-38370364

LT dear get yourself a radio

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT dear get yourself a radio

:fist:

I am currently listening to last nights 2 Mikes podcast on my kindle so will hook back up to LBC later

[Cherie]

Apparently the guy is denying involvement but then he would do wouldn't he

[Denver]

Shoot the bastard in the head dont try and arrest him

[Denver]

Pray for Germany.It's bad there now.Alot of incidents related to Merkels irresponsible policies.You cannot have open borders in the current climate when sections of the people you're letting in wish to do you harm.The security of your own people needs to be the top priority of any leader.

Merkel does not care about the people of Germany

[Denver]

It's a bit soon to assume the religion of these attackers :think:

It's not, it's an ignorant assumption.

Even if it turns out to be true, it's not obvious at all.

erm right now only Muslim extremists want to kill innocent people

[Denver]

This will only further destroy the EU many Europeans want to close the borders

[jennyjuniper]

Apparently the police arrested this piece of human garbage in the nearby zoo. They shouldn't have bothered arresting him, just tossed him into the nearest lion enclosure.

[UserSince2005]

"BREAKING NEWS: German security services admit they have the WRONG man after arresting Pakistani asylum seeker, 23, over Berlin Christmas market massacre that left 12 dead "

what an absolute farce.

The terrorist is still on the loose!

[UserSince2005]

Apparently the police arrested this piece of human garbage in the nearby zoo. They shouldn't have bothered arresting him, just tossed him into the nearest lion enclosure.

Then they would have murdered an innocent man.

This is why the police dont do things like this.

[Jack_]

erm right now only Muslim extremists want to kill innocent people

https://undercoverinfo.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/cltqrriusaejzmn1.jpg?w=591&h=593

[Denver]

https://undercoverinfo.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/cltqrriusaejzmn1.jpg?w=591&h=593

They will not go to Germany to kill though be sensible

[Cherie]

Apparently the police arrested this piece of human garbage in the nearby zoo. They shouldn't have bothered arresting him, just tossed him into the nearest lion enclosure.

They don't know if they have the right person as it was a member of the public saw him running and followed him

[Cherie]

"BREAKING NEWS: German security services admit they have the WRONG man after arresting Pakistani asylum seeker, 23, over Berlin Christmas market massacre that left 12 dead "

what an absolute farce.

The terrorist is still on the loose!

They are not sure yet if it is him

[Cherie]

Concrete blocks being used now at all the German markets...better late than never I guess

[arista]

Cherie
The German Police must not upset Her Elections
but why are they Dithering "this long"

For all we know MsMerk
will be voted out anyway
or not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean how long does it take to work out if the guy they have is the driver?

[arista]

Concrete blocks being used now at all the German markets...better late than never I guess


Yes it means Markets can not
have the Evil Massive Truck Terrorist Killers

Any Isis in Germany
will find another Soft Target
sadly

[Crimson Dynamo]

A refugee living in makeshift accommodation in Berlin has said he is worried how the German people will view migrants in light of the lorry attack.

Special forces officers searched a hangar at the former Tempelhof airport, which is home to about 2,000 migrants, following the Monday's attack.

Ibrahim Sufi, a 26-year-old Syrian living at the airport, told Reuters: "We are of course worried.

"We are worried about how the German public will view us after this terrorist attack.

"My message to the Germans is: 'Don't suspect everybody, don't generalise.'"

(from BBC live update page)

-----------------

Yes Germans only suspect the ones with TERRORIST tattooed on their forehead

:rolleyes:

[Brillopad]

Pray for Germany.It's bad there now.Alot of incidents related to Merkels irresponsible policies.You cannot have open borders in the current climate when sections of the people you're letting in wish to do you harm.The security of your own people needs to be the top priority of any leader.

:cheer2:

[Jack_]

:cheer2:

:umm2:

[Will.]

They arrested the wrong person, the person who did it is still on the run.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4049442/Terror-attack-fears-lorry-ploughs-Christmas-market-Berlin-leaving-two-people-dead.html

[Northern Monkey]

Islamic State has claimed responsibility now

[Brillopad]

Islamic State has claimed responsibility now

No surprises there then. Can't believe anyone could of thought otherwise. Leopards don't change their spots.

[Cherie]

Islamic State has claimed responsibility now

There was me thinking it was the Sisters of Mercy trying to reclaim Christmas

[Brillopad]

There was me thinking it was the Sisters of Mercy trying to reclaim Christmas

Some would rather believe that than be proved wrong about open borders. Pathetic really.

[Cherie]

Some would rather believe that than be proved wrong about open borders. Pathetic really.

Indeed

[jaxie]

There was me thinking it was the Sisters of Mercy trying to reclaim Christmas

:hehe:

[DemolitionRed]

Some would rather believe that than be proved wrong about open borders. Pathetic really.

This wasn't caused by refugee policies or open borders :conf: It was caused because the West just couldn't keep its fingers out of the pie.

We do not yet know the cause of this, we are still not 100% sure of the drivers identity and what the political motivation was. We know it was a deliberate attack, but we do not know why at this stage, all we have is speculation.

What is your solution to the problem, let everybody die in the sea, keep the refugees in lands where they are being bombed to oblivion with the full support of western governments? You think it's ok when the USA go in and murder innocent people, you say nothing about that, and when it creates a power vaccum and this happens, you still forget the responsibility our governments had in creating this.

How do you sleep at night ?

[DemolitionRed]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

[armand.kay]

Islamic State has claimed responsibility now

But they're gonna do that aren't they, even if it's a lone wolf attack...make themselves seem more powerful and more scary.

[Kizzy]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Indeed.

[Brillopad]

This wasn't caused by refugee policies or open borders :conf: It was caused because the West just couldn't keep its fingers out of the pie.

We do not yet know the cause of this, we are still not 100% sure of the drivers identity and what the political motivation was. We know it was a deliberate attack, but we do not know why at this stage, all we have is speculation.

What is your solution to the problem, let everybody die in the sea, keep the refugees in lands where they are being bombed to oblivion with the full support of western governments? You think it's ok when the USA go in and murder innocent people, you say nothing about that, and when it creates a power vaccum and this happens, you still forget the responsibility our governments had in creating this.

How do you sleep at night ?

Send them to the first safe country where they are supposed to go. But it clearly isn't just safety they want is it? How convenient that few supporters of mass migration mention this.

Do you seriously expect this little island to take in everyone who wants to come here? I think you need a reality check!

Do you sleep ok when people have died at the hands of people who took advantage of our ridiculous open door policy?

You can take the moral high ground all you like but we are not responsible for providing for the whole world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Evidence?

[Kizzy]

Send them to the first safe country where they are supposed to go. But it clearly isn't just safety they want is it? How convenient that few supporters of mass migration mention this.

Do you seriously expect this little island to take in everyone who wants to come here? I think you need a reality check!

Do you sleep ok when people have died at the hands of people who took advantage of our ridiculous open door policy?

You can take the moral high ground all you like but we are not responsible for providing for the whole world.

This is as simplistic as it is blinkered, refugees cannot and should not all remain in one area, those who made decisions have to be accountable for the results of their actions.

As I stated in another thread our island mentality is what creates issues with people coming in, however it never extends in the reverse, we have no problem with us going wherever we please :/

[Brillopad]

This is as simplistic as it is blinkered, refugees cannot and should not all remain in one area, those who made decisions have to be accountable for the results of their actions.

As I stated in another thread our island mentality is what creates issues with people coming in, however it never extends in the reverse, we have no problem with us going wherever we please :/

We have made the decision that we want to take back control of our borders. What actions are we accountable for?

There is no comparison with skilled, educated people emigrating to countries where their skills are in demand to the taking in of masses of people who we know nothing about, many of whom don't speak English, particularly in these difficult political and economical times - no comparison whatsoever. Absurd comparison.

[Kizzy]

We have made the decision that we want to take back control of our borders. What actions are we accountable for?

There is no comparison with skilled, educated people emigrating to countries where their skills are in demand to the taking in of masses of people who we know nothing about, many of whom don't speak English, particularly in these difficult political and economical times - no comparison whatsoever. Absurd comparison.

With regard to military action.... not ex pats :/

Control of our borders? that won't happen, we need cheap labour therefore a steady stream is required,

[Brillopad]

With regard to military action.... not ex pats :/

Control of our borders? that won't happen, we need cheap labour therefore a steady stream is required,

Of course it will happen. We can still get cheap labour at the same time as having control of our borders, we just won't have to let any Tom,dick , Harry or Isis supporter in.

[jaxie]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

I haven't read very diligently but I haven't seen anyone say anything like that. :shrug:

[Brillopad]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Ridiculous comment. Germany is simply the victim of a politically correct government who cares more about political correctness than its own people, something it seems Merkel may live to regret.

[arista]

I find it particularly vile that there now appears to be some sort of psychology going around these forums, that Germany has asked for this.

Yes Germany
says its Terrorist Attack now
but may want to withdraw Isis from it?


The Evil , now dead
Isis Terrorist Truck Driver in Nice , France
Killed 86 Fast,
Soft targets
ideal for Big Trucks, sadly.
France still under State Of Emgerncey
gives the Police more rights.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36842311
they may choose to extend it a 5th or is it a 6th time
I have lost count

[arista]

"Control of our borders? that won't happen, we need cheap labour therefore a steady stream is required,"

Yes kizzy
Cheaper worker contracts
will carry on.
But every workers name will be listed
by the Home Office
30mins extra - NOT a Problem

The Outside Workers arriving for Hard work
just want to do it.
They ain't Evil Isis Terrorists

Better Control Of Borders - Will Happen
even New Labour (thats the group trying to get rid of Good old Corbyn)back that

[arista]

Isis have now Confirmed
this Berlin Truck was their mission.

There you go Germany
Its all Official NOW

[Kizzy]

Of course it will happen. We can still get cheap labour at the same time as having control of our borders, we just won't have to let any Tom,dick , Harry or Isis supporter in.

How?..

[Denver]

So it was a Tunisian

[Brillopad]

So it was a Tunisian

The majority of which are Muslim.

[Northern Monkey]

How?..

One point of Brexit for many was not just locking the borders and not letting anyone in.But taking in the skills(or lack of) that we need.Just to have control of who we are letting in.If we need doctors and nurses then lets bring them in and let's not discriminate against the rest of the world in favour of Europeans(which is what the inward looking EU does),If we need unskilled labourers then let's bring them in with equal chance for everyone wherever they are from.
The point is that we decide who we need.Eastern European countries with low wages joining the EU one by one and flocking here with us not being able to control it is not what the country needs.That just drives our wages down and keeps many of our own people out of work.

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/c770645712ca96476254079a6970dcdde7f67b637fc1a20bda 64f11ece72517a_3857068.jpg?20161221161321
Reward of 100,000 euros to find
Berlin lorry attack suspect

Warning : Armed and Dangerous

http://news.sky.com/story/reward-of-100000-euros-to-find-berlin-lorry-attack-suspect-10704281

Below a photo of the Murdered
Polish Driver
Stabbed and Shot Dead , sadly
http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/288x216/c188f8d9e553c3f19f1e63e79f3ce40ec180bfdaeeb9b1b44e ce13ab8718cace_3856764.jpg?20161221122316

[Livia]

One point of Brexit for many was not just locking the borders and not letting anyone in.But taking in the skills(or lack of) that we need.Just to have control of who we are letting in.If we need doctors and nurses then lets bring them in and let's not discriminate against the rest of the world in favour of Europeans(which is what the inward looking EU does),If we need unskilled labourers then let's bring them in with equal chance for everyone wherever they are from.
The point is that we decide who we need.Eastern European countries with low wages joining the EU one by one and flocking here with us not being able to control it is not what the country needs.That just drives our wages down and keeps many of our own people out of work.

Hopefully it'll be more like Canada and Australia. If you want to live there you have to have some skills to offer, they have to need you.

[empire]

the islamic ideology does not fit into the western life of are society, and many muslims come from cultures that thighing of girls as young as six years old to men that are the age of 30 to 80 years old, and many of these girls get raped and have a baby before they hit ten, and many women get stoned to death just for cheating on their husbands, and many are killed just for talking to a boy, gay people are executed or killed by their families, just because they are homosexuals, muslim men see white girls as meat or fair game, the biggest hypocrisy of the left-wing and the feminists is that they curse western men and they blame others for the terrorism and mass rapes that have happened in the last year, but you don't get western men viewing muslim girls as easy meat or fair game even if they are wearing a hijab or dressed as a western girl, the pro refugee protesters had signs that said we want rapists over racists, and that is a huge insult to victims of rape and terrorism,

[Brillopad]

the islamic ideology does not fit into the western life of are society, and many muslims come from cultures that thighing of girls as young as six years old to men that are the age of 30 to 80 years old, and many of these girls get raped and have a baby before they hit ten, and many women get stoned to death just for cheating on their husbands, and many are killed just for talking to a boy, gay people are executed or killed by their families, just because they are homosexuals, muslim men see white girls as meat or fair game, the biggest hypocrisy of the left-wing and the feminists is that they curse western men and they blame others for the terrorism and mass rapes that have happened in the last year, but you don't get western men viewing muslim girls as easy meat or fair game even if they are wearing a hijab or dressed as a western girl, the pro refugee protesters had signs that said we want rapists over racists, and that is a huge insult to victims of rape and terrorism,

Seriously, pro-refugee protesters said they preferred rapists over racists - sick minds indeed.

Apparently, according to one poster, there are 'a couple of Muslim terrorists', implying that anyone critical of Muslim ideology was making a big fuss about nothing and just full of hate. shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

Seriously, pro-refugee protesters said they preferred rapists over racists - sick minds indeed.

Apparently, according to one poster, there are 'a couple of Muslim terrorists', implying that anyone critical of Muslim ideology was making a big fuss about nothing and just full of hate. shrug:

You have a wonderful way of twisting someones words to suit your own agenda. :nono:

[Brillopad]

You have a wonderful way of twisting someones words to suit your own agenda. :nono:

You didn't even see half the posts as they were deleted so please don't pass comment unless sure of your facts.

[arista]

thank you Tom
on ITV1HD News at 10 LIVE.

This killer has 6 other names.
and they had him 4 other times????????
lack of German Paper works

Life In Germany

[arista]

Kizzy I am NOT in UKIP

But the Farage Tweet today
is BANG ON RIGHT

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/20/17/3B8BA1DC00000578-0-image-a-260_1482255480822.jpg
Katie.

[Of course, Merkel wasn't around to respond to the horror as it unfolded. She was attending an award ceremony to celebrate the International Day of Migrants even as it seemed one of the 1.1 million she has let into the country tore another hole in her people and in Germany’s cultural life.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4052498/KATIE-HOPKINS-atrocities-leaders-stop-lying-admit-thanks-immigration-policies-mowed-doing-Christmas-shopping-simply-new-normal.html#ixzz4TWhG2dDP

I think she is on "all day"
on LBC Live on Sunday

[DemolitionRed]

Isis have now Confirmed
this Berlin Truck was their mission.

There you go Germany
Its all Official NOW

Actually, its not. Apparently, ISIS claim of responsibility contained no detailed information about the attack that wasn't already publicly known, so German authorities are currently working under the assumption that ISIS had no advance knowledge. In that case, their claim of responsibility would be based on nothing but speculation. Just as we are guessing.

[DemolitionRed]

Der Spiegel reports that some internal information from the Berlin terror investigation may have leaked from police to a German right-wing leader.

(cite in German) http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/berlin-im-news-blog-verdaechtiger-soll-mehrere-identitaeten-gehabt-haben-a-1126948.html

The relevant entry is at 19:10 (7:10 PM Central European Time). Pegida is a right-wing grass-roots organization popular with middle-class Germans. The papers in question are apparently identity documents of the new suspect found in the cab of the truck.

Pegida spokesperson Lutz Bachmann caused confusion with a tweet as early as Monday night, by talking about a "Tunisian Muslim" as perpetrator. He claimed to have received this information from internal sources of the Berlin police leadership. At the time of the tweet, the attack on the Christmas market was only two hours old. Bachmanns statement contradicts representations of the Berlin police, which stated that the papers have only been found later. Only those papers have led to the manhunt for the current suspect. His name has only been published today (Wednesday). Bachmann wrote today on Twitter: "So my information from one hour after the attack was right, after all? Police are now looking for a Tunisian..."

Here is a screenshot of Bachmann's original Tweet:
https://twitter.com/ER_MV/status/811591802142789632/photo/1

The innocent guy was a refugee. The current suspect has been rejected as a refugee, and Germany had actually attempted to deport him. It failed because Tunisia didn't issue him travel documents (they actually, at the time, claimed he wasn't a Tunisian citizen).

The only reason he was even walking around Germany was that Germany hadn't managed to get rid of him.

[Livia]

Actually, its not. Apparently, ISIS claim of responsibility contained no detailed information about the attack that wasn't already publicly known, so German authorities are currently working under the assumption that ISIS had no advance knowledge. In that case, their claim of responsibility would be based on nothing but speculation. Just as we are guessing.

Firstly, IS put out the call to Muslims worldwide, asking them to attack the infidel in any way they can, as a Soldier of IS. The more weak and criminal minded the person the more likely they will hear that call.

Secondly, when terrorist groups claim responsibility for atrocities - which many do, after every attack - the Security Services don't take their word on good faith. If they announce IS has taken responsibility you can take that to the bank. Whether or not your Google search acknowledges that.

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/c5a0930116f313d593983a45b05c1d093a2f51c58859f00bd7 ce07e516a8610d_3857183.jpg?20161221213332

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/a823e2e74a6409412d95ff06c1e8373236d30dc07b9eabe70d 359976b1dc4ef0_3857188.jpg?20161221213939

http://e3.365dm.com/16/12/536x302/2770ded228c90c55bd8809af46ebc93a250433f120ad627f83 6207be7e1f2618_3857190.jpg?20161221215531

[Cherie]

Actually, its not. Apparently, ISIS claim of responsibility contained no detailed information about the attack that wasn't already publicly known, so German authorities are currently working under the assumption that ISIS had no advance knowledge. In that case, their claim of responsibility would be based on nothing but speculation. Just as we are guessing.

Does it matter whether it's official or not? It's an ISIS inspired attack whether they are behind it or nor, we are not guessing that people have died or are injured

[Northern Monkey]

Firstly, IS put out the call to Muslims worldwide, asking them to attack the infidel in any way they can, as a Soldier of IS. The more weak and criminal minded the person the more likely they will hear that call.

Secondly, when terrorist groups claim responsibility for atrocities - which many do, after every attack - the Security Services don't take their word on good faith. If they announce IS has taken responsibility you can take that to the bank. Whether or not your Google search acknowledges that.

Exactly.It's hardly a coincidence that Muslims keep killing people in Europe and the US and the Middle East infact all over the world.Even if some haven't had direct contact with ISIS HQ they're hardly lone wolves.They're acting under instruction from ISIS and under the same ideology.

[y.winter]

The terrorist has been caught and killed in Italy

[Northern Monkey]

The terrorist has been caught and killed in Italy

Good news.

[arista]

Yes shot dead
after the terrorist,
shot the young cop in his shoulder
http://news.sky.com/story/berlin-attack-suspect-shot-dead-in-italy-minister-confirms-10705730

[Niamh.]

The terrorist has been caught and killed in Italy
He got off lightly

[Cherie]

Yes shot dead
after the terrorist,
shot the young cop in his shoulder
http://news.sky.com/story/berlin-attack-suspect-shot-dead-in-italy-minister-confirms-10705730

Imagine where we would be if the policeman wasn't armed :idc: he had plenty time to get away while they were interrogating the wrong guy sadly..unless of course it emerges he was a decoy :suspect:

[Withano]

He was not a refugee, he was not overtly religious. He was just a dick with a string of crimes to his name and no passport.

Apologies in advance for sharin the mirror, but the article is decent tbf
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/truth-berlin-christmas-market-terror-9500721?service=responsive#ICID=sharebar_facebook

[Cherie]

He was not a refugee, he was not overtly religious. He was just a dick with a string of crimes to his name and no passport.

Apologies in advance for sharin the mirror, but the article is decent tbf
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/truth-berlin-christmas-market-terror-9500721?service=responsive#ICID=sharebar_facebook


ISIS aren't overly religious either :laugh: He shouted the standard Allahu Akbar as he opened fire on the policeman

[Withano]

ISIS aren't overly religious either :laugh: He shouted the standard Allahu Akbar as he opened fire on the policeman

Oh, I'm just filling in the gaps in the thread, theres a lot of confusion and false claims about refugees, Merkel and Muslim ideologies, and I think its appropriate to clear up the confusion as soon as we have information on it.. It still could very easily be an ISIS-inspired attack (I think that was one of your posts, I agreed with it anyhow), although I think a second debate is now open for this guy just thriving off being a criminal and living his life in the only sad way he knew of. I'm not sure if his motives matter an awful lot, especially when all anybody can do is guess.. its still the same tragic end result.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The idiot kid twat has thankfully been shot dead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4061096/Danish-police-say-man-matching-description-Berlin-lorry-attack-suspect-seen-Aalborg.html

[Northern Monkey]

The terrorist behind Monday's deadly attack on a Berlin Christmas market swore allegiance to ISIS before dying in a wee-hours shootout with police in Milan Friday, some some 675 miles from the scene of Monday's carnage.

Anis Amri, the 24-year-old Tunisian whose monstrous attack sparked a 72-hour manhunt and raised questions about Germany's inability to come to grips with radicals among its burgeoning refugee population, was killed in the Sesto San Giovanni district of the northern Italian city, police said.Islamist terror suspect in Berlin attack killed in shootout in Milan
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/23/berlin-market-suspect-killed-in-italy-sources-say.html

[arista]

Yes Isis released the Video of him saying he backs ISIS


NM
and Germany had the terrorist
arrested to be deported
but Tunisia said they did
want him , or something.

So out in the PUBLIC - he went


Wake Up Germany!

[Northern Monkey]

Imagine where we would be if the policeman wasn't armed :idc: he had plenty time to get away while they were interrogating the wrong guy sadly..unless of course it emerges he was a decoy :suspect:

Definitely a good job the policeman was armed.It is certainly needed in mainland Europe now.

[Livia]

Best kind of terrorist. Dead.

[Rob!]

Surely the biggest question here should be how the flying **** did he get to Italy?

[Northern Monkey]

Surely the biggest question here should be how the flying **** did he get to Italy?

Well the German polizei wasted enough time when they arrested the wrong guy.Nobody was looking for this guy.

[Rob!]

Well the German polizei wasted enough time when they arrested the wrong guy.Nobody was looking for this guy.

But getting into a different country requires passports and everything doesn't it? He managed to travel nearly 1,000 miles before they happened to come across him. Really doesn't exactly distil you full of confidence that he managed to slip through quite so many nets does it?

[Northern Monkey]

But getting into a different country requires passports and everything doesn't it? He managed to travel nearly 1,000 miles before they happened to come across him. Really doesn't exactly distil you full of confidence that he managed to slip through quite so many nets does it?

Yeah you're right.Freedom of movement is a terrible idea when there are terrorists wanting to attack the continent.The EU needs to seriously rethink Schengen now.

[empire]

the liberal left, especially merkel, only do one thing in this situation, put there heads into the sand and put there fingers into there ears, I hear that many in the german police force are saying that merkel is insane, and some in the CDU party got wind of this, and they want to press charges on the policeman who have said this, this is more proof that merkel is more interested to persecute the german people, rather than to tackle islamic extremism, merkel's obsession with trying to change germany is a very dangerous thing to do, to open up the borders and to let in millions of people who have a different culture and religion and even norms will not bring tolerance or mutual respect, but will bring in war,terror,rape, and murder, merkels arrogance has put people at risk, and the situation will get worse very soon next year,

[Brillopad]

the liberal left, especially merkel, only do one thing in this situation, put there heads into the sand and put there fingers into there ears, I hear that many in the german police force are saying that merkel is insane, and some in the CDU party got wind of this, and they want to press charges on the policeman who have said this, this is more proof that merkel is more interested to persecute the german people, rather than to tackle islamic extremism, merkel's obsession with trying to change germany is a very dangerous thing to do, to open up the borders and to let in millions of people who have a different culture and religion and even norms will not bring tolerance or mutual respect, but will bring in war,terror,rape, and murder, merkels arrogance has put people at risk, and the situation will get worse very soon next year,

Indeed. Practically every Islamic country is at war with someone, often in-fighting between different types of Muslims Ie Sunni/Shia, they can't even get on between themselves - so what are the odds of it working in the West who they hate even more than each other.

The more that come in the more extremists and their supporters will enter our countries. Things will only get worse unless something is done now. I consider it a crime against our people to put them at this increased risk and blood will be on the hands of the politicians responsible.

[Northern Monkey]

Indeed. Practically every Islamic country is at war with someone, often in-fighting between different types of Muslims Ie Sunni/Shia, they can't even get on between themselves - so what are the odds of it working in the West who they hate even more than each other.

The more that come in the more extremists and their supporters will enter our countries. Things will only get worse unless something is done now. I consider it a crime against our people to put them at this increased risk and blood will be on the hands of the politicians responsible.I agree.It's like some crazy experiment.It's never going to end well.Just flood the continent and watch the fireworks.Forcing opposing ideologies together on a mass scale is a recipe for unrest and violence.It's insane.

[Brillopad]

I agree.It's like some crazy experiment.It's never going to end well.Just flood the continent and watch the fireworks.Forcing opposing ideologies together on a mass scale is a recipe for unrest and violence.It's insane.

It is insane. Brexit and the election of Trump are a clear indication of the concerns and frustrations of a massive number of people regarding mass migration and its many negative affects on the West.

We elect our politicians to serve us the people and it is their responsibility to do what is best for the people that elected them. Their priority should be Western subjects not those wanting to come here or political correctness.

What the hell do we elect these people for. It is supposed to be for what is best for the British/Western people not for what is best for their own political careers and personal financial gain.

[DemolitionRed]

Firstly, IS put out the call to Muslims worldwide, asking them to attack the infidel in any way they can, as a Soldier of IS. The more weak and criminal minded the person the more likely they will hear that call.

Secondly, when terrorist groups claim responsibility for atrocities - which many do, after every attack - the Security Services don't take their word on good faith. If they announce IS has taken responsibility you can take that to the bank. Whether or not your Google search acknowledges that.


What we are doing by accepting this ISIS claim is legitimizing this killer and allowing him to be seen by others as a socio-political warrior. By accepting he was a foot soldier for ISIS, we allow him to be hailed a martyr by ISIS.

Drop the word terrorist, replace with the word murderer because that's all this man should be remembered for.... A murdering evil scum bag.

[Livia]

What we are doing by accepting this ISIS claim is legitimizing this killer and allowing him to be seen by others as a socio-political warrior. By accepting he was a foot soldier for ISIS, we allow him to be hailed a martyr by ISIS.

Drop the word terrorist, replace with the word murderer because that's all this man should be remembered for.... A murdering evil scum bag.

Because he swore allegiance to IS. If the Security Services okayed the release of the information that IS claimed responsibility, then that's good enough for me. There are systems in place. They don't accept the word of a terror group. Denying us that information would amount to an untruth.

Being in deep denial about the state of play isn't going to help anyone.

[DemolitionRed]

Untruth or not, this is about adding fear to the general public whilst allowing this murderer to recieve some sort of status.

The sort of people who are perpetrating these acts are just criminals with mental health issues. In the Berlin case, the murderer was already a criminal before deciding to aggrandize his crimes as ‘serving a greater purpose’. There are plenty of lone people with mental illness and the sort of person who is/was willing and capable of perpetrating horrible acts is the sort of person that would of done it anyway, but the ISIS thing gives them something to hang on, they can feel supported if they align themselves with a terrorist organization and we, the public, reassure the perpetrator that he will be remembered as a terrorist and not just a murderer.

[user104658]

Untruth or not, this is about adding fear to the general public whilst allowing this murderer to recieve some sort of status.

The sort of people who are perpetrating these acts are just criminals with mental health issues. In the Berlin case, the murderer was already a criminal before deciding to aggrandize his crimes as ‘serving a greater purpose’. There are plenty of lone people with mental illness and the sort of person who is/was willing and capable of perpetrating horrible acts is the sort of person that would of done it anyway, but the ISIS thing gives them something to hang on, they can feel supported if they align themselves with a terrorist organization and we, the public, reassure the perpetrator that he will be remembered as a terrorist and not just a murderer.

Exactly DR. I'm constantly amazed that in a post 9/11 world people STILL don't seem to understand the goal of terrorism (hint: IT'S IN THE ****ING NAME) and are willing - nay, desperate - to confirm repeatedly that it is working. Allowing ISIS to take credit for every attack whether it was ISIS planned or not, quite simply, gives them the tools to create martyrs, radicalise more extremists, kill more innocent people and spread more terror to achieve their goals of destroying Western freedom, liberty and individuality. Hello snoopers charter, come on in, have a cup of tea.

Branding them insane / petty murderers rather than Jihadists / Holy Warriors takes away their power and takes away part of what makes other lone-wolf would be martyrs want to do this sort of thing. They WANT to be remembered as Jihadists. That's WHY they do it, ffs.

[DemolitionRed]

[QUOTE=Toy Santa;9109750]Exactly DR. I'm constantly amazed that in a post 9/11 world people STILL don't seem to understand the goal of terrorism (hint: IT'S IN THE ****ING NAME) and are willing - nay, desperate - to confirm repeatedly that it is working. Allowing ISIS to take credit for every attack whether it was ISIS planned or not, quite simply, gives them the tools to create martyrs, radicalise more extremists, kill more innocent people and spread more terror to achieve their goals of destroying Western freedom, liberty and individuality. Hello snoopers charter, come on in, have a cup of tea.

[Brillopad]

Exactly DR. I'm constantly amazed that in a post 9/11 world people STILL don't seem to understand the goal of terrorism (hint: IT'S IN THE ****ING NAME) and are willing - nay, desperate - to confirm repeatedly that it is working. Allowing ISIS to take credit for every attack whether it was ISIS planned or not, quite simply, gives them the tools to create martyrs, radicalise more extremists, kill more innocent people and spread more terror to achieve their goals of destroying Western freedom, liberty and individuality. Hello snoopers charter, come on in, have a cup of tea.

Branding them insane / petty murderers rather than Jihadists / Holy Warriors takes away their power and takes away part of what makes other lone-wolf would be martyrs want to do this sort of thing. They WANT to be remembered as Jihadists. That's WHY they do it, ffs.

Jihadists are just petty cowardly murderers, nothing more. The rest is in their stupid, ignorant, primitive little heads. Deluded idiots who only attract other deluded idiots to their so-called cause. They are simply inadequate fools. Isn't that the point that they are all equally moronic and no one but the equally moronic credit them as anything more. ISIS=Moron.

The only ones giving them any real power are the politically correct fools who can't see further than the end of their noses.

[DemolitionRed]

Jihadists are just petty cowardly murderers, nothing more. The rest is in their stupid, ignorant, primitive little heads. Deluded idiots who only attract other deluded idiots to their so-called cause. They are simply inadequate fools. Isn't that the point that they are all equally moronic and no one but the equally moronic credit them as anything more. ISIS=Moron.

The only ones giving them any real power are the politically correct fools who can't see further than the end of their noses.

There are lots of variables to Jihadism but ISIS are not one of those variables.

ISIS are Salafi (an offshoot of Wahhabism) and their warring is about reform of the Islamic faith.

Jihadists could be loyalists to their government or against their government. Jihadism could be an unhealthy divide between Shiites and Sunni and Jihad can also mean “internal struggle” which has nothing to do with being militarized. Most importantly, the use of force within 'Jihad' has some very strict exclusions which include no harm to women, children and vulnerable people such as the handicapped.

Jihad is not a declaration of war against their own or other religions and therefore ISIS are not Jihadists.

[arista]

Surely the biggest question here should be how the flying **** did he get to Italy?




Easy
he was there before.

[arista]

3 arrested in Tunisia
one his nephew , who going to join him .


The Evil Terrorist even sent money to his Nephew

Ref: SkyNewsHD

[user104658]

Jihadists are just petty cowardly murderers, nothing more. The rest is in their stupid, ignorant, primitive little heads. Deluded idiots who only attract other deluded idiots to their so-called cause. They are simply inadequate fools. Isn't that the point that they are all equally moronic and no one but the equally moronic credit them as anything more. ISIS=Moron.

The only ones giving them any real power are the politically correct fools who can't see further than the end of their noses.
In other words, you want to be able to call them whatever you want to call them, pretty much purely for your own satisfaction, with little or no regard for what will actually improve the situation or reduce the likelihood of future indoctrination, future attacks, or future killings. Well... So long as you're able to get your fill of righteous rage I suppose it's all worth something...