3% of migrants out of 1.2million to arrive in Germany last two years have found work

[Crimson Dynamo]

:shocked:

New figures show that 1.2million migrants arrived in Germany in past 2 years
However, only 34,000 of those migrants have managed to find employment
In addition figures show a quarter of those in work are on temporary contracts
The numbers mainly apply to those from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Eritrea

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Just 34,000 migrants out of the 1.2million who have arrived in Germany in the past two years have managed to find a job, new figures have revealed.

The statistics from the German government's Institute for Labour Research (IAB) reveal how only three per cent of those who travelled to the country are now working.

And in addition out of those who are employed, nearly a quarter are just on temporary contracts, with the numbers applying to migrants mostly from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Eritrea.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4048268/Just-34-000-migrants-1-2million-arrive-Germany-two-years-work-government-reveals.html

top comment: "We are supposed to be surprised. Half cannot read or write . The want benefits for nothing that's why they head to the UK"

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Does this surprise you?

[Amy Jade]

Loads of British born are happy to stay on benefits too.

Or pop out a kid and live off welfare.

[user104658]

I'd question the stats. 3% have found legitimate positions, I would (strongly) suspect that many thousands more are being employed by unscrupulous employers for very low wages cash in hand, as happens here also.

[Brillopad]

Loads of British born are happy to stay on benefits too.

Or pop out a kid and live off welfare.

Well, someone in the family of the locals has probably contributed - parents, grandparents, siblings etc and we cannot keep paying for more - do you think there is a money tree growing out there that pays for all these foreigners? Where do you expect all this money to come from?

If there are language problems as well their chances of getting jobs decrease and our chances of paying more taxes increase.

[Amy Jade]

Well, someone in the family of the locals has probably contributed - parents, grandparents, siblings etc and we cannot keep paying for more - do you think there is a money tree growing out there that pays for all these foreigners? Where do you expect all this money to come from?

If there are language problems as well their chances of getting jobs decrease and our chances of paying more taxes increase.

Of course I don't think money grows on trees, no need to be patronizing.

[Brillopad]

Of course I don't think money grows on trees, no need to be patronizing.

Ok then, maybe you can pay then. Why on earth should taxpayers who don't even believe these people should be here pay for them! Some of them are also posing a danger to the locals but still you want them to pay!

Well 17.4 million made their feelings on that nonsense quite clear.

[DemolitionRed]

Ok then, maybe you can pay then. Why on earth should taxpayers who don't even believe these people should be here pay for them! Some of them are also posing a danger to the locals but still you want them to pay!

Well 17.4 million made their feelings on that nonsense quite clear.

What a naive statement to make. I voted for Brexit and so did most of my family and friends and not one of them voted because they thought there were too many immigrants. The majority of people who voted for Brexit are not in your camp.

[Amy Jade]

Ok then, maybe you can pay then. Why on earth should taxpayers who don't even believe these people should be here pay for them! Some of them are also posing a danger to the locals but still you want them to pay!

Well 17.4 million made their feelings on that nonsense quite clear.

I do pay. I work and get taxed.

I take far more of an issue with people born here who chose not to work because they are lazy than I do somebody who could be in the processes of bettering themselves.

[Amy Jade]

Well 17.4 million made their feelings on that nonsense quite clear.

I had to single this out because it's laughable - I know people who voted NO and their reasons were not to 'stop the foreigners!!!' :laugh:

[Brillopad]

I had to single this out because it's laughable - I know people who voted NO and their reasons were not to 'stop the foreigners!!!' :laugh:

If you say so. :joker:

[Brillopad]

What a naive statement to make. I voted for Brexit and so did most of my family and friends and not one of them voted because they thought there were too many immigrants. The majority of people who voted for Brexit are not in your camp.

Many did and that is pretty well accepted. People were concernd about, amongst other things, the pressure on our NHS etc as they have every right to be.

Didn't you say that you don't even live in Britain, if so then no wonder you aren't too bothered by that.

[Withano]

Ok then, maybe you can pay then. Why on earth should taxpayers who don't even believe these people should be here pay for them! Some of them are also posing a danger to the locals but still you want them to pay!

Well 17.4 million made their feelings on that nonsense quite clear.

This is why people want a re-referendum. Clearly some have no idea what they voted for.

[Brillopad]

This is why people want a re-referendum. Clearly some have no idea what they voted for.

The only people who want a re-referendum are the embittered remainers.

So every time we have an election in the future - if the losing side don't want to accept it we just do it again. Then what best of 3, 4 5. :joker:

[user104658]

Why on earth should taxpayers who don't even believe these people should be here pay for them!

For the same reasons that I pay for the Royal Family, nuclear warheads, and nonsense vanity projects like HS2 I suppose? Sadly we don't get to pick'n'choose where our tax money goes, so yeah, we all end up paying for things that we "might not believe in".

[Withano]

The only people who want a re-referendum are the embittered remainers.

So every time we have an election in the future - if the losing side don't want to accept it we just do it again. Then what best of 3, 4 5. :joker:

Theres plenty of leavers who regretted their decision once they saw the pound drop and a handful of leaders resign from their posistion, and now want a re-refferendum.
Real question is: if we excluded votes from the people who genuinely believed 350m would go to the NHS, or mass-immigration would be lessened.. how much would Remain have won by?
Second question is, would remainers want a re-refferendum at all if inaccurate posts like yours above werent flooding social media?

[Brillopad]

Theres plenty of leavers who regretted their decision once they saw the pound drop and a handful of leaders resign from their posistion, and now want a re-refferendum.
Real question is: if we excluded votes from the people who genuinely believed 350m would go to the NHS, or mass-immigration would be lessened.. how much would Remain have won by?
Second question is, would remainers want a re-refferendum at all if inaccurate posts like yours above werent flooding social media?

Everyone expected an initial drop in the pound and some difficult times but the economy has done considerably better than expected - you talk about inaccurate posts.

Remainers are trying to convince everyone that a considerable number would change their vote if given the chance, but then they would. Equally I would imagine many who voted to remain out of fear of change and seen the 'predicted' doom and gloom drop in our economy has not occurred and/or those so disgusted with the behaviour of the dictorial sore losers may change their votes. All very hyperthetical. Whatever the vote occurred and the decision was made.

[empire]

this is merkels legacy, she opened up the borders and dumped the problem on the german people, these refugees have caused nothing but trouble to this day, and they have committed sick acts of crime, and its the german people that are paying the price of merkel and her self-righteous politicians, after what happened in cologne the open border apologists said that we have to tolerate these people's cultures and norms and there attitudes and behavior towards women,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Theres plenty of leavers who regretted their decision once they saw the pound drop and a handful of leaders resign from their posistion, and now want a re-refferendum.
Real question is: if we excluded votes from the people who genuinely believed 350m would go to the NHS, or mass-immigration would be lessened.. how much would Remain have won by?
Second question is, would remainers want a re-refferendum at all if inaccurate posts like yours above werent flooding social media?

Evidence?

[Brillopad]

this is merkels legacy, she opened up the borders and dumped the problem on the german people, these refugees have caused nothing but trouble to this day, and they have committed sick acts of crime, and its the german people that are paying the price of merkel and her self-righteous politicians, after what happened in cologne the open border apologists said that we have to tolerate these people's cultures and norms and there attitudes and behavior towards women,

We don't have to accept or tolerate anything which was what the referendum was all about. This is not a dictatorship and there is no way people are going to continue to put-up with this. There will be major problems in this country and Europe if the governments try to ignore the depth of feeling on this.

Clearly other countries in Europe have also had enough and this won't just go away.

If I was German, especially if any of the victims had been family of mine, I would have been deeply offended by Merkel's presence at the scene. Her unpopular policies are responsible for this and she had a damn nerve to show her face.

[Withano]

Evidence?

Evidence is written by proffessionals and leavers have had quite enough of them, so.

[Withano]

Everyone expected an initial drop in the pound and some difficult times but the economy has done considerably better than expected - you talk about inaccurate posts.

Remainers are trying to convince everyone that a considerable number would change their vote if given the chance, but then they would. Equally I would imagine many who voted to remain out of fear of change and seen the 'predicted' doom and gloom drop in our economy has not occurred and/or those so disgusted with the behaviour of the dictorial sore losers may change their votes. All very hyperthetical. Whatever the vote occurred and the decision was made.

Right, my initial point was that your post implied you didnt actually know what you voted for though.. Still stands.

[empire]

sadly the germans will re-elect merkel if their was an election tomorrow, the people of germany and france have already waved an invisible white flag to accept their countries destruction and to let a backward ideology rule them, only eastern european countries have saved there nations from destruction, and I think holland and italy will save there countries from taking the same disastrous path as what many western european nations have made over there stupidity.

[Amy Jade]

If you say so. :joker:

I do. It's no more of a reach than you trying to insinuate every voter wanted them out at least.

[jennyjuniper]

A certain amount of that total of unemployed will be women, as muslim men rarely allow their wives to work or attend language schools. These women become isolated because of this. It's also a fact that the imams actively seek to distance themselves and their followers from integrating.

[Kizzy]

The anti Muslim rhetoric is ramping up nicely again I see? :/

[Brillopad]

The anti Muslim rhetoric is ramping up nicely again I see? :/

If you fail to see the potential harm the mass migration into Britain of an intolerant, misogynistic male dominated religion is likely to cause to our society that's your problem, stop trying to make it everyone else's.

[Kizzy]

If you fail to see the potential harm the mass migration into Britain of an intolerant, misogynistic male dominated religion is likely to cause to our society that's your problem, stop trying to make it everyone else's.

There were no Muslims in the UK prior to the refugee crisis then?

[Brillopad]

There were no Muslims in the UK prior to the refugee crisis then?

Of course, and some of their sons are involved/supporters of ISIS and very likely involved in the death of some of our people. That number will inevitably increase with more migration. To deny this is futile.

[Kizzy]

Of course, and some of their sons are involved/supporters of ISIS and very likely involved in the death of some of our people. That number will inevitably increase with more migration. To deny this is futile.

Can you not be Muslim if you don't come from overseas then?

[Brillopad]

Can you not be Muslim if you don't come from overseas then?

Again of course, but it stands to reason to allow mass migration of people with such archaic beliefs, some of whom do/will support extremism, into Britain Is a recipe for disaster. It isn't rocket science and is completely predictable.

[Withano]

How old are you Brillopad if you don't mind me asking?

[Withano]

Also are you a fan of Big Brother or did you sign up for serious debates?

[Brillopad]

How old are you Brillopad if you don't mind me asking?

Probably older than you, and?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How old are you Brillopad if you don't mind me asking?

i asked you this once and you said it was irrelevant?

[Northern Monkey]

As TS says.There will be a percentage of them working illegally.However i can't see that being a massive percentage infact i'd say it will be quite small.Also as Jenny said their will be a percentage of these migrants who are women,I'd also say not a huge percentage as the majority of these migrants seems to be young working age men from what we've seen.
So that discounts a little of that 97%.Who knows what the rest of them are doing.Not sure what the German benefits system is like.If they are claiming then Germany is not gaining anything from this mass migration.Infact quite the opposite.

[Withano]

What a nasty allegation - to try and discredit my options no doubt.

I dislike terrorists, bullies and misogynists - what is your problem with that?

Sorry if it offends your sensibilities if I am not as naive and gullible as some.


Some would argue that suggesting refugess should go back in warzones would make them a bit of terrorist and a bully. (Im sure this isnt what youre really suggesting though). But I have seen you stick up for women on other threads, I'll let you have your third point.
You don't offend me, you confuse me.. I don't think youre naive or gullible, I think you follow your hatred down a weird and senseless path.

I think you would do well to put yourself or your friends and family in peoples place when you read articles, you'd be surprised how fast it will change your entire thouhts on stories.
Britain becomes a warzone, your friends are being slaughtered around you, you and your family find refuge in any country, (you choose). You're joined by 1.3m other refugess who are also grieving the loss of their friends. 3% of you get jobs in the new country although more of you have tried. You all get labelled Christians, ten of those 1.3m christians is a terrorist. Isis takes responsibility for their actions (why would they not)
as you have suggested, you and your family and 1.299m innocent children, women and fathers should go back to the warzone to face your imminent death. Is that still fair?

[Brillopad]

Some would argue that suggesting refugess should go back in warzones would make them a bit of terrorist and a bully. (Im sure this isnt what youre really suggesting though). But I have seen you stick up for women on other threads, I'll let you have your third point.
You don't offend me, you confuse me.. I don't think youre naive or gullible, I think you follow your hatred down a weird and senseless path. I think you would do well to put yourself or your friends and family in peoples place when you read articles, you'd be surprised how fast it will change your entire thouhts on stories.

Refugees can go to the first safe country, as part of the EU agreement, not make a beeline for Britain or other wealthy Western countries who will provide them with free services. If that country becomes overloaded they will be dispersed into other neighbouring countries. They are supposed to be refugees not economic migrants.

As for your other patronising comments I don't need you to give me anything neither am I intimidated by your constant 'hatred' rhetoric. If you really want to address hatred maybe looking a bit closer at Muslim idealism and doctrine might be advisable.

[Withano]

i asked you this once and you said it was irrelevant?

Tbf, you asked me if I was British, not my age

[Withano]

Refugees can go to the first safe country, as part of the EU agreement, not make a beeline for Britain or other wealthy Western countries who will provide them with free services. If that country becomes overloaded they will be dispersed into other neighbouring countries. They are supposed to be refugees not economic migrants.

As for your other patronising comments I don't need you to give me anything neither am I intimidated by your constant 'hatred' rhetoric. If you really want to address hatred maybe looking a bit closer at Muslim idealism and doctrine might be advisable.

Anyone can look at any religious script from thousands of years ago and find some hatred. Literally any religion. It means little. We dont presume every Christian hates gays etc, why would we look for faults in other religions and wack them all with the same branch.

I think you like to think that individual differences dont exist and all people of the same culture/ethnicity/race/religion are the same. Have a chat with any child, they'll teach you something different.

[Northern Monkey]

I've always said that i think it is important to take in refugees and i think Cameron could have taken in more.I also think that when we leave the EU if the government can actually manage to get a little control of migration and stop the yearly increase that is happening presently and even reduce numbers (which will happen if Theresa stops free movement from Europe) then we can take in even more refugees.
However these refugees must be from the refugee camps and they need to be vetted to ensure they are genuine refugees and that they are not a terror threat.
The problem with Germany's irresponsible policy is that it is only encouraging migrants from all over the Middle East and Africa and in some cases even South America to come flocking to Europe and nobody has any clue as to who are genuine refugees and who are economic migrants and who are terrorists.It is not the solution as we are seeing in Europe currently and especially Germany.

[Brillopad]

:fist:Anyone can look at any religious script from thousands of years ago and find some hatred. Literally any religion. It means little. We dont presume every Christian hates gays etc, why would we look for faults in other religions and wack them all with the same branch.

I think you like to think that individual differences dont exist and all people of the same culture/ethnicity/race/religion are the same. Have a chat with any child, they'll teach you something different.

Is that what you think I think - good for you. What I do think is that I have some understanding of the depth and power of the type of idiology and doctrine instilled from birth by some religions.

[Withano]

:fist:

Is that what you think I think - good for you. What I do think is that I have some understanding of the depth and power of the type of idiology and doctrine instilled from birth by some religions.

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.

[Brillopad]

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

[Northern Monkey]

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.
This is true.I agree.Islam is still stuck in the past more than the other big two religions.It is still medieval in most Islamic societies.Yes there are more modernised western Muslims who have moved away from the more devout side but many in the west still haven't.Also most Muslims don't live in the west and when large numbers of them are introduced into civilised societies there is an unavoidable clash.The best thing would be for those backward Islamic countries to move forwards into the present but that can take hundreds of years.Judaism and Christianity weren't always as forward thinking as they've become and Islam is still younger by a few hundred years.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.




You're joined by 1.3m other refugess who are also grieving the loss of their friends.

:laugh2:

[Withano]

:laugh2:

Accidentally proving my point is a great adaptation to the thread.

[Northern Monkey]

There is human decency, then there is stupidity like when we took 25 year old "children" from Calais and left 8 year olds behind, mainly because the adults know how to work the system, there is human decency like taking genuine refugees from camps in Syria, or stupidity in opening your borders to all in sundry, enabling the people traffickers and ensuring genuine refugees got stepped over and left behind

:worship:

[Cherie]

:worship:

I'm glad you quoted that because it appears to have disappeared, maybe a mod could explain what is wrong with it :shrug:

[James]

I'm glad you quoted that because it appears to have disappeared, maybe a mod could explain what is wrong with it :shrug:

Obviously quoted a deleted post.

[Cherie]

Obviously quoted a deleted post.

You could have removed the deleted post?

[James]

You could have removed the deleted post?

I'm telling you, going through (say) tens of deleted posts, and editing out quotes is takes too long.

[Cherie]

I'm telling you, going through (say) tens of deleted posts, and editing out quotes is takes too long.

Right

[James]

You happy with this post James? Insulting a forum member?

Alright I've deleted that. First time it's been brought to mods' attention. There's a number of posts in the thread that are similar in tone.

[Cherie]

Thanks

[James]

I'm telling you, going through (say) tens of deleted posts, and editing out quotes is takes too long.

Otherwise it would be like...

http://pictures.thisisbigbrother.com/userpics/10433/fast_show_meme.jpg

[Ninastar]

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

I think this is pretty well said. I'm one of the most accepting people out there, I've travelled my whole life... but calling people xenophobic, racist etc, when they just arent is just plain pathetic. Look at who the US have as a president now. Its (imo) because so many people throw out the 'Racist!!!' 'Sexist!!!' 'Xenophobic!!!!' etc insult when they are losing an argument and don't want other people to see the opposite belief to theirs as something worth listening to.

And like I've said before, I dont post in serious debates very often, because I'm not that great at typing things out... but I'm very passionate about my beliefs and the name calling/ganging up on those with this type of beliefs is pretty disgusting.

I'm not all that surprised though. So many people on the internet have this really irritating 'We must accept everyone for who they are, unless they say something we dont like' ideology.

[Brillopad]

Otherwise it would be like...

http://pictures.thisisbigbrother.com/userpics/10433/fast_show_meme.jpg

Why was my post deleted then, I think it was quite reserved in response to several insults made by another poster.

[Withano]

I think this is pretty well said. I'm one of the most accepting people out there, I've travelled my whole life... but calling people xenophobic, racist etc, when they just arent is just plain pathetic. Look at who the US have as a president now. Its (imo) because so many people throw out the 'Racist!!!' 'Sexist!!!' 'Xenophobic!!!!' etc insult when they are losing an argument and don't want other people to see the opposite belief to theirs as something worth listening to.

And like I've said before, I dont post in serious debates very often, because I'm not that great at typing things out... but I'm very passionate about my beliefs and the name calling/ganging up on those with this type of beliefs is pretty disgusting.

I'm not all that surprised though. So many people on the internet have this really irritating 'We must accept everyone for who they are, unless they say something we dont like' ideology.

Firstly, there was very clear examples of xenophobia in this thread before half the posts were deleted. Its fine to call people out on sexism/racism too if and when you see it.
Secondly, i have never met anybody who is accepting of all opinions. What kind of person would they be? Do you know any?

[Cherie]

Otherwise it would be like...

http://pictures.thisisbigbrother.com/userpics/10433/fast_show_meme.jpg

:joker:

[Brillopad]

Firstly, there was very clear examples of xenophobia in this thread before half the posts were deleted. Its fine to call people out on sexism/racism too if and when you see it.
Secondly, i have never met anybody who is accepting of all opinions. What kind of person would they be? Do you know any?

No there weren't, you are clearly confusing an intolerance of people from other countries with an intolerance of controlling religons, so don't use deleted posts as an excuse for making such an unfounded claim.

You don't have to accept all opinions just don't be so insulting when you don't agree with others.

[Withano]

No there weren't, you are clearly confusing an intolerance of people from other countries with an intolerance of controlling religons, so don't use deleted posts as an excuse for making such an unfounded claim.

You don't have to accept all opinions just don't be so insulting when you don't agree with others.

I mean all you have done here is announce that you have an intolerance to specific groups of people and then told me not to be insulting. As if members and guests viewig the forum from the religion youre intolerant towards wouldnt be insulted by you.

[Brillopad]

I mean all you have done here is announce that you have an intolerance to specific groups of people and then told me not to be insulting. As if members and guests viewig the forum from the religion youre intolerant towards wouldnt be insulted by you.

You don't speak for others, only yourself. This is still a free country and anyone is well within their rights to criticize dubious religous practice including Islam - it is not untouchable.

[Withano]

You don't speak for others, only yourself. This is still a free country and anyone is well within their rights to criticize dubious religous practice including Islam - it is not untouchable.

Probs best to avoid giving lectures on insults though if ya do in future though.

[Cherie]

I mean all you have done here is announce that you have an intolerance to specific groups of people and then told me not to be insulting. As if members and guests viewig the forum from the religion youre intolerant towards wouldnt be insulted by you.

Maybe they wouldn't, that is a big problem in the UK assuming others are bothered or insulted when they really aren't, they might actually agree! I'm catholic but I don't agree with some of the views of the Church, there are some Muslims who don't follow Islam to the nth degree either, it's like a pick and mix the scenario :laugh:

[Withano]

Maybe they wouldn't, that is a big problem in the UK assuming others are bothered or insulted when they really aren't, they might actually agree! I'm catholic but I don't agree with some of the views of the Church, there are some Muslims who don't follow Islam to the nth degree either, it's like a pick and mix the scenario :laugh:

I mean thats precisely the point, I'm also Catholic and I agree its ridiculous to lump us with some of the elderly homophobes or priest-child molesters from the same religion as if we're all the same. Nobody is doing that though, but claims that all Muslims are the same.. Its just ridiculous, ugly, naive, overly simplistic and dangerous.
Have an opinion on terrorism sure, but I think its important to differentiate between them and an entire religion and I dont believe thhe user Im in a discussion with has ever done this. Which I find sad.
Edit: (Sad as in genuinely upsetting for the state of mankind, not sad the insult)

[Brillopad]

I mean thats precisely the point, I'm also Catholic and I agree its ridiculous to lump us with some of the elderly homophobes or priest-child molesters from the same religion as if we're all the same. Nobody is doing that though, but claims that all Muslims are the same.. Its just ridiculous, ugly, naive, overly simplistic and dangerous.
Have an opinion on terrorism sure, but I think its important to differentiate between them and an entire religion and I dont believe thhe user Im in a discussion with has ever done this. Which I find sad.
Edit: (Sad as in genuinely upsetting for the state of mankind, not sad the insult)

Have I not, I believe I have. We live in difficult times and an awareness of the power of indoctrination in certain religions is crucial. To simply deny its existence is foolhardy to say the least.

Those people in Germany would be alive today if that animal had not been allowed into the country and still you seem more preoccupied with how offended Some Muslims may be from any criticism of Islam.

[Withano]

Have I not, I believe I have. We live in difficult times and an awareness of the power of indoctrination in certain religions is crucial. To simply deny its existence is foolhardy to say the least.

Those people in Germany would be alive today if that animal had not been allowed into the country and still you seem more preoccupied with how offended Some Muslims may be from any criticism of Islam.

Point you missed being: you dont actually need to insult all members of an entire religion by condemning the actions of a couple terrorists. Its incredibly insensitive, ugly cruel, overly simplistic and ridiculous to do so.

[DemolitionRed]

Have I not, I believe I have. We live in difficult times and an awareness of the power of indoctrination in certain religions is crucial. To simply deny its existence is foolhardy to say the least.

Those people in Germany would be alive today if that animal had not been allowed into the country and still you seem more preoccupied with how offended Some Muslims may be from any criticism of Islam.

These terrorist acts are nothing to do with the refugee policy. There are easier ways to enter the EU than as a refugee. Criminal fanatics are neither new nor far away; but you know what? they are very few. If we had closed our borders since the Iraq and Syrian troubles began, I don’t doubt we would of seen the same number of atrocities from terrorist.

Perhaps we have let too many immigrants in… perhaps we haven’t but to blame terrorism on immigration is a nonsense.

[Brillopad]

Point you missed being: you dont actually need to insult all members of an entire religion by condemning the actions of a couple terrorists. Its incredibly insensitive, ugly cruel, overly simplistic and ridiculous to do so.

A couple of terrorists, that's what I mean a complete denial of the scale of the problem.

I was critical of a religion that is deserving of criticism, no religion is above that - it's treatment of women for one is something many people rightly find offensive. Who are you to attempt to dictate who we can and can't criticize.

[Withano]

that's what I mean a complete denial of the scale of the problem. .

Really. Is that what you mean. Reeeeeally?
It seems like the one thing you lack the most basic understanding of.

[arista]

i asked you this once and you said it was irrelevant?


How Nice

[Wizard.]

They stay at home all day browsing TiBB

[Brillopad]

Really. Is that what you mean. Reeeeeally?
It seems like the one thing you lack the most basic understanding of.

I understand you alright. I'll leave you to continue with the insults although, according to you, you don't do insults, yeah right! Maybe you should learn to think before you speak!

[arista]

Loads of British born are happy to stay on benefits too.

Or pop out a kid and live off welfare.


Not for long

They can work in a Charity Office
Lifting Big Boxes,
or no money.



Hard Working Tax Payers demand this.

[DemolitionRed]

"What a moronic thread!!!! Simple thinking for simple people."

If by some stretch of the imagination you think that the comment above is suitable for serious debates then please elucidate because I am fairly certain you will be on your own.

I think its perfectly suitable but then I go on other forums where people are a lot more boisterous with their use of language. It just feels bizarre to me that our words on here are so heavily censored by the PC brigade.

These are emotional topics are they not? People will be shocked or annoyed by certain views and may want to express themselves accordingly. What this guy said is tame in comparison to the more active political forum groups and hardly worth getting upset about.

[DemolitionRed]

Oh wow. I got censored!!

[arista]

Oh wow. I got censored!!

Thats Fine
I trust Admin

[James]

Obviously quoted a deleted post.

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[Cherie]

I think its perfectly suitable but then I go on other forums where people are a lot more boisterous with their use of language. It just feels bizarre to me that our words on here are so heavily censored by the PC brigade.

These are emotional topics are they not? People will be shocked or annoyed by certain views and may want to express themselves accordingly. What this guy said is tame in comparison to the more active political forum groups and hardly worth getting upset about.

Good for you, insults towards posters are against the rules on this forum, that is why ther is a report button

[Cherie]

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Are you having a sense of deja vue James :laugh:

[arista]

Are you having a sense of deja vue James :laugh:

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[user104658]

I think its perfectly suitable but then I go on other forums where people are a lot more boisterous with their use of language. It just feels bizarre to me that our words on here are so heavily censored by the PC brigade.

These are emotional topics are they not? People will be shocked or annoyed by certain views and may want to express themselves accordingly. What this guy said is tame in comparison to the more active political forum groups and hardly worth getting upset about.
You should know by now that TiBB membership comes complete with a free "Handle With Care" sticker [emoji23]

[Vicky.]

This hoohaah is a bit weird to me, and I will put it across simply so as not to be misunderstood. Either

Immigrants come to get benefits and not work. Or
Immigrants come to take the jobs

It simply cannot be both. Rags need to work out which line of crap they want to go for, as this swaying to and fro is looking a little silly.

[Brillopad]

This hoohaah is a bit weird to me, and I will put it across simply so as not to be misunderstood. Either

Immigrants come to get benefits and not work. Or
Immigrants come to take the jobs

It simply cannot be both. Rags need to work out which line of crap they want to go for, as this swaying to and fro is looking a little silly.

Seems obvious to me. Both apply. Many are dependant on benefits whilst others work.

[Vicky.]

So basically...they can't win? Shocker..

[Brillopad]

So basically...they can't win? Shocker..

Don't really understand your logic. Many are claiming benefits from an already over-burdened system when they have never contributed, which others hear about encouraging them to do the same, whilst others do work but are probably taking jobs from those wanting to get off benefits.

Because they work on the cheap this undermines minimal wage and again takes jobs from people here. Both cause problems which contributes to the bad feeling around mass immigration. How does that equate to those opposed to mass immigration being unreasonable and the migrants being victims as you imply?

[Vicky.]

How does that equate to those opposed to mass immigration being unreasonable I think you might have misread my post tbh, unless you class right wing rags (or 'papers' as some prefer to all them) who make a huge deal of this to be simply against mass immigration?

When someone thinks its terrible that 'they' come for benefits, yet also thinks its bad that 'they' come to work...it kinda seems like the only tolerable answer is for noone to come at all? Which is slightly problematic, I am sure you agree...

[anne666]

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[Brillopad]

I think you might have misread my post tbh, unless you class right wing rags (or 'papers' as some prefer to all them) who make a huge deal of this to be simply against mass immigration?

When someone thinks its terrible that 'they' come for benefits, yet also thinks its bad that 'they' come to work...it kinda seems like the only tolerable answer is for noone to come at all? Which is slightly problematic, I am sure you agree...

I think like Australia we should only take people with skills, qualifications or the relevant valuable experience that is required in this country - a strict points system so we only get people who benefit our society and who contribute.

[anne666]

:shocked:

New figures show that 1.2million migrants arrived in Germany in past 2 years
However, only 34,000 of those migrants have managed to find employment
In addition figures show a quarter of those in work are on temporary contracts
The numbers mainly apply to those from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Eritrea

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/13/3B84294C00000578-4048268-image-a-92_1482155200779.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/19/13/3B84285000000578-4048268-image-a-83_1482155147658.jpg

Just 34,000 migrants out of the 1.2million who have arrived in Germany in the past two years have managed to find a job, new figures have revealed.

The statistics from the German government's Institute for Labour Research (IAB) reveal how only three per cent of those who travelled to the country are now working.

And in addition out of those who are employed, nearly a quarter are just on temporary contracts, with the numbers applying to migrants mostly from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Eritrea.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4048268/Just-34-000-migrants-1-2million-arrive-Germany-two-years-work-government-reveals.html

top comment: "We are supposed to be surprised. Half cannot read or write . The want benefits for nothing that's why they head to the UK"

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Does this surprise you?

Does the the Mail's agenda suiting distortion of the truth and blatant lies ever surprise anyone? It's a lot of unmitigated tosh.
They very conveniently omit to say how many of the 1.2 million are still in Germany. They also omit how many of the number left have actually been granted asylum and are able to work after the set time limit, depending on where they are housed.

http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/germany/reception-conditions/employment-education/access-labour-market
The time limit for access to the labour market was reduced to 3 months in November 2014.

However, with the adoption of a new law in October 2015, new restrictions for access to the labour market were imposed. Asylum seekers are now barred from access as long as they are obliged to stay in an initial reception centre. The maximum period for this stay is 6 months for most asylum seekers, but asylum seekers from safe countries of origin are obliged to stay in initial reception centres for the whole duration of their asylum procedures. In principle, the law thus provides that asylum seekers from safe countries of origin do not have access to the labour market at all.


The reality of the report the Mail failed to link, of course.
The also fail to say how many are under working age, 26% of the total of 1.1 million recorded in 2015 were 15yrs old and younger.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwirtscha ft%2Fsoziales%2Ffluechtlinge-in-deutschland-34-000-haben-einen-job-400-000-suchen-noch-a-1126465.html&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

34,000 refugees have jobs - 400,000 are still looking

406,000 refugees are registered as job-seekers and registered with employment agencies and job centers. About 160,000 are registered as unemployed.
IAB chief Möller assumes that the integration of refugees into the labor market will continue to be slow, despite the booming economy: "If we succeeded in getting 50 per cent in pay and bread after five years, this is certainly one Success."


Germany has the lowest fertility rate in the world and their economy is under serious threat without 500,000 new workers annually. For some time, to help fill the gap, they've exploited the ever increasing worldwide refugee crisis and they've also allowed people who should have been deported to stay.

They did the same with Turkish migrants.
There is little doubt that economically they will succeed while they rob countries like Syria of the people they will need to rebuild their country.
The better off, young, fit and hopefully, fertile who survive the encouraged death race into Europe.
European and migrant deaths and destabilising Europe, playing straight right into terrorists hands are mere collateral damage.

It's very early days and it would be far more surprising if the numbers of people in employment were higher.
More reality, from the same agency the Mail are misrepresenting.

February 19, 2016
Herbert Brücker, 55, is a migration expert at the Institute for Employment Research, the research arm of Germany's Federal Employment Agency.
What a Million Refugees Mean for Everyday Life.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/22-germans-speak-about-challenges-of-integrating-refugees-a-1075661-20.html

SPIEGEL: All in all, do you think this immigration should be welcomed? Or would we be better off without it?

Brücker:

In the past, only about 10 percent found jobs in the year of their arrival, but after five years, around half the refugees had found work
An open economy would be unimaginable without immigration. Just to keep the labor supply stable between now and 2050, we would need an increase of 500,000 people each year. That still wouldn't be enough for us to completely compensate for the consequences of demographic change, but it would likely at least mitigate them. (Eds. Note: According to the German Federal Statistical Office, which provides two projections, a lower base version and a higher variant based on future immigration, the national population is expected to decline from a 2013 figure of 80.8 million to between 67.6 million and 73.1 million by 2060.)

If other EU countries hadn't stopped them the Turkey deal would never have happened! They're still being allowed to pour in from Northern Africa while Germany cherry pick who they want from Italy and Greece.

[anne666]

I think like Australia we should only take people with skills, qualifications or the relevant valuable experience that is required in this country - a strict points system so we only get people who benefit our society and who contribute.

I agree. It's how any wealthy country should control immigration. The UK fertility rate decreased and the doors were flung open, assisted additionally by damnable EU policy.
We're one of the few countries worldwide who meet the 0.7% GNI commitment to Foreign Aid and contribute more than any other country accordingly. The US donates more money but never anything near 0.7% of their GNI. In 2014 they donated 0.19% the same as a poor country like Portugal and wealthy Japan.
If every country met their commitment refugees would have far more facilities available closer to their home countries where the vast majority are already hosted with desperately insufficient International assistance.

Instead in Europe, inestimable billions have been spent when it was and still is desperately needed elsewhere by Aid agencies.
Including by EU countries like Germany who don't meet their Aid budget, preferring their money to be recirculated around their own economy by their prospective new refugee work force and baby makers.
It would have helped at least ten times more refugees in their neighbouring countries for many years and provided much better facilities, opportunities and preparation to return to their own countries,