Was Stacey calling Austin a Gay Boy acceptable?

[Denver]

Pretty horrible thing to call someone

Yes and No on the poll are the wrong way around

[Jay28jay2]

She was referring to him because she doesn't know his name, she should have worded it differently though

[Ashley.]

When used as an insult, no it's not.

[Headie]

She was pointing out that Ray was uncomfortable sleeping with an older straight guy but not with a gay guy, don't really see the problem it's a fair question

[kingston]

No it was not acceptable but as a Cult of Scientology member she has to believe that homosexuality is in the same league as pedophilia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks9lEwfNB8

[Pete.]

I'm sure gays have been called worse

[MrWong]

I didn't buy her "I was being sarcastic" crap.

[Headie]

No it was not acceptable but as a Cult of Scientology member she has to believe that homosexuality is in the same league as pedophilia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks9lEwfNB8

Mess @ all your posts being about Scientology

[LukeB]

it was a bit ignorant, she should have used a better word other than gay boy.

[Oaker]

It wasn't used as an insult

[Denver]

Yes because he is

Still a homophobic slur

[Daniel.]

Me caring

[Amy Jade]

If shes a into scientology she hates gays and considers same sex relationships in the same vein as paedophilia.

IF she follows their beliefs of course.

[Wizard.]

I feel like it's a gateway comment and soon she will slip up and get ejected

[Jamie89]

No :umm2: starting to see a new side to her and it's really disappointing, I loved her last night

[Vanessa]

It put me even more off her :fist::nono:

[Daniel.]

How is calling a gay guy gay unacceptable

Mess

[Withano]

I was just gonna make a poll on this, do it for me pls

Id vote no
I think she half saved herself with the "it was a joke. Y erry1 so srs"
But nah, that felt more like a slip of the tongue than a joke for me, and I thought she made a **** of herself.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Stacey is probably shocked that Ray is ok with sleeping with gay boy because usually he's bashing gays-

But he is in fact a gay boy what's the problem?

[Beso]

Oh ffs...messy tea dragging.

[kingston]

If shes a into scientology she hates gays and considers same sex relationships in the same vein as paedophilia.

IF she follows their beliefs of course.

Her wiki states she is a member... I also have several other sources that state she is...

She is a Scientologist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Francis#Personal_life

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

it was a bit ignorant, she should have used a better word other than gay boy.

What word? Not everybody got time to say homosex even if you are made to sit in the naughty seat

[Amy Jade]

How is calling a gay guy gay unacceptable

Mess

If you started a new line of work and your manager called you the 'gay boy' im sure you would think it was at least quite rude.

[Jake.]

what would the reaction be if somebody referred to her as "the black girl" though

[Daniel.]

If you started a new line of work and your manager called you the 'gay boy' im sure you would think it was at least quite rude.

It wouldnt offend me

[Amy Jade]

What word? Not everybody got time to say homosex even if you are made to sit in the naughty seat

She could have said Austin.

[Amy Jade]

It wouldnt offend me

Yeah i'm sure.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

People were just looking for a reason to justify their prejudice. They got it

[Greg!]

She wasn't meaning to be offensive, she forgot his name. I'm not bothered tbh!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

She could have said Austin.

But she didn't remember his name

[MB.]

Austin Armacost made me homophobic so whatever

[Amy Jade]

what would the reaction be if somebody referred to her as "the black girl" though

Can you actually imagine? meltdown.

[LukeB]

Can you actually imagine? meltdown.

:hehe:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Can you actually imagine? meltdown.

No because people always excuse that stating people are reaching if they're offended as they are infact black.

[Amy Jade]

But she didn't remember his name

If somebody on this forum forgot Stacy's name and called her the black one you'd flip

[Denver]

How do i add a poll?

[LukeB]

But she didn't remember his name

so.. you can ask someone for his name with a description of him, it wasn't hard to do that. You would probably be annoyed if someone said "the black girl"

[Jamie89]

How do i add a poll?

Click on 'thread tools' and the option is in there

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

If somebody on this forum forgot Stacy's name and called her the black one you'd flip

It's usually things more offensive than the black one that are said. And there are two black one's in the show.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

so.. you can ask someone for his name with a description of him, it wasn't hard to do that. You would probably be annoyed if someone said "the black girl"

No the black girl is reasonable.

[Withano]

People were just looking for a reason to justify their prejudice. They got it

Most of TiBB reacted incredibly positively to her yesterday because she was great
Now most of TiBB is reacting negatively todays because she was a bit of a twat

Some peoples opinions change consistently depending on what theyre watching. its not all black or white.

[sampvt]

Weve had the racist angle, now the gay angle, god only knows how it took so long. Whats the big deal, im sure everyone knows hes gay and he is a boy so whats wrong with that. This whole PC crap is not only ruining this programme its dividing genders and bringing it up like a bad penny is not helping.

[Amy Jade]

It's usually things more offensive than the black one that are said. And there are two black one's in the show.

You were implying racism on day one when they picked her as least interesting :laugh:

[Jordan.]

It's not that serious, she should have said "gay guy" if she needed to though as that sounds less insulting than boy.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Most of TiBB reacted incredibly positively to her yesterday because she was great
Now most of TiBB is reacting negatively todays because she was a bit of a twat

Some peoples opinions change consistently depending on what theyre watching. its not all black or white.

Why was she a twat?

[Denver]

Click on 'thread tools' and the option is in there

Where is thread tools?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You were implying racism on day one when they picked her as least interesting :laugh:

But it's not the same situation as saying black girl. We're talking about 2 scenarios :conf:

[Withano]

Why was she a twat?
Her slip of the tongue and 180 backtrack

Where is thread tools?
Header at the top, under page numbers

[joeysteele]

She should have easily got to know his name, they do have name badges on.

[Jamie89]

Most of TiBB reacted incredibly positively to her yesterday because she was great
Now most of TiBB is reacting negatively todays because she was a bit of a twat

Some peoples opinions change consistently depending on what theyre watching. its not all black or white.

This! I'm judging people on their personalities/actions, it's not prejudice to change my opinion on someone (who was one of my favourites of last night btw) because of how they're coming across.

Where is thread tools?

It one of the options on the right hand side, just underneath the page numbers

[Tom4784]

She's cancelled as I found the whole thing a bit suspect.

[Lostie!]

Stacey is probably shocked that Ray is ok with sleeping with gay boy because usually he's bashing gays-

But he is in fact a gay boy what's the problem?

Is he?

[Denver]

Header at the top, under page numbers


It one of the options on the right hand side, just underneath the page numbers
Thanks.

[Braden]

What she said was iffy, but I think there is straw-clutching on both ends of the spectrum here. No vehement homophobia was portrayed, but it's ridiculous to insinuate that the term 'gay boy' is acceptable to use in derogatory form.

[Jamie89]

Re the poll, I don't actually think she should be warned over it, but still unacceptable imo

(the poll options are the wrong way round btw :laugh: eg. 'she should be warned' should be next to 'no')

[LukeB]

'gay boy' is one of those words you would hear in the school playground from the people who don't know stuff.

[Denver]

Gay Boy is 100% a slur

[Tom4784]

Why was she a twat?

Overdramatic (and not in a fun way), argumentative for no good reason, potentially homophobic. I liked her yesterday but she showed quite an ugly personality tonight.

It's quite simple, people are allowed to dislike her without being accused of racism. It's attitudes like yours that actually hinder progress rather than aiding it.

[Denver]

Can a mod edit my poll please

[Denver]

Re the poll, I don't actually think she should be warned over it, but still unacceptable imo

(the poll options are the wrong way round btw :laugh: eg. 'she should be warned' should be next to 'no')

Oh my bad hopefully a mod will correct

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Gay Boy is 100% a slur

What's acceptable then?

[Lostie!]

I think it's important to acknowledge the difference between "gayboy" as in the insult and "the gay boy" as a description so I didn't really take issue with that part, what confused me was the assumption that someone would care about sharing a bed with a gay guy. And I think the whole "it's a joke" thing was a bit of a backtrack when it became clear nobody else had a clue what she was talking about.

[Denver]

What's acceptable then?

Something like the American or the Muscular one

[Denver]

Fyi no and yes need to be swapped please

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Overdramatic (and not in a fun way), argumentative for no good reason, potentially homophobic. I liked her yesterday but she showed quite an ugly personality tonight.

It's quite simple, people are allowed to dislike her without being accused of racism. It's attitudes like yours that actually hinder progress rather than aiding it.

I'm not hindering anything. What attitude are you talking about? If you really want it to improve one person shouldn't stop you from wanting to improve racism.
Speidi were obviously trying to wind her up is she not allowed to be irritated when she's been put in that situation? They were clearly singling her out even Austin said Speidi are distancing themselves from the group but yet they go out of their way to smother the girl that already feels hard done by and emotional over Ray J. "Potentially homophobic" shouldn't even be a thing.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I think it's important to acknowledge the difference between "gayboy" as in the insult and "the gay boy" as a description so I didn't really take issue with that part, what confused me was the assumption that someone would care about sharing a bed with a gay guy. And I think the whole "it's a joke" thing was a bit of a backtrack when it became clear nobody else had a clue what she was talking about.
Most of the black rnb community are harsh on gays and I genuinely feel that's where most of her shock came from. Especially those that are big on macho straight image. If I'm wrong so be it but I honestly think that.

[Braden]

Most of the black rnb community are harsh on gays and I genuinely feel that's where most of her shock came from. Especially those that are big on macho straight image. If I'm wrong so be it but I honestly think that.

That's what I initially thought as well.

[Denver]

Fyi no and yes need to be swapped please

..

[Withano]

"Potentially homophobic" shouldn't even be a thing.

Wtf not? Shes the first new star to be seen as a 2 dimensional character, and her second dimension is uglier than the first we saw in the VT. Its obviously worth discussing

Maybe in the next couple days, we'll see her make a few more controversial 'aah, almost got you' type jokes and it will become charming and we'll understand that she was indeed joking.. Maybe in the next few days we'll see her use a more offensive homophobic slur and we'll understand she wasn't joking.

The debate on this is open, lets not pretend that she didnt say this because we liked her yesterday.

What she said was potentially homophobic, or be potentially a joke. Lets call a spade a spade.

[MrWong]

I think it's important to acknowledge the difference between "gayboy" as in the insult and "the gay boy" as a description so I didn't really take issue with that part, what confused me was the assumption that someone would care about sharing a bed with a gay guy. And I think the whole "it's a joke" thing was a bit of a backtrack when it became clear nobody else had a clue what she was talking about.

This is the part that I noticed. She didn't expect their reaction/confusion so she said that she was being sarcastic. Which didn't really make sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if an older straight man had said it he would be gone. shocking double standard s by tibb gay stans of any black woman on bb

[Marsh.]

Pretty horrible thing to call someone

He's gay and he's a boy, how is it horrible?

[Tom4784]

I'm not hindering anything. What attitude are you talking about? If you really want it to improve one person shouldn't stop you from wanting to improve racism.
Speidi were obviously trying to wind her up is she not allowed to be irritated when she's been put in that situation? They were clearly singling her out even Austin said Speidi are distancing themselves from the group but yet they go out of their way to smother the girl that already feels hard done by and emotional over Ray J. "Potentially homophobic" shouldn't even be a thing.

The attitude of seeing racism where it doesn't exist and using it to attack people for their views.

She had a piss poor attitude about being picked for the task and she was just using Ray J as an excuse and she distanced herself from others by telling people they couldn't talk to her. It didn't help she was standoffish when there was no reason to be either.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Wtf not? Shes the first new star to be seen as a 2 dimensional character, and her second dimension is uglier than the first we saw in the VT. Its obviously worth discussing

Maybe in the next couple days, we'll see her make a few more controversial 'aah, almost got you' type jokes and it will become charming and we'll understand that she was indeed joking.. Maybe in the next few days we'll see her use a more offensive homophobic slur and we'll understand she wasn't joking.

The debate on this is open, lets not pretend that she didnt say this because we liked her yesterday.

Potentially homophobic is weird. Someone either is or they aren't. If you have to say potentially homophobic that means you're not sure if said thing is actually
Homophobic.

[Tom4784]

..

Just list the answers what you want on the poll because I've switched them around already.

[Withano]

Potentially homophobic is weird. Someone either is or they aren't. If you have to say potentially homophobic that means you're not sure if said thing is actually
Homophobic.

Yes, thats the point, we're not sure, neither are you or anyone else defending her.. It was potentially a bad joke, it was potentially a homophobic hiccup. We'll have to look for similar traits before we conclude either way.

Main question is: is it acceptable?
Real unbiased answer is: no.

[Tom4784]

Potentially homophobic is weird. Someone either is or they aren't. If you have to say potentially homophobic that means you're not sure if said thing is actually
Homophobic.

The way she said it was questionable to me. The whole 'He doesn't want to sleep with an older man but he's okay with a gay boy?' sentence was just suspect, like she believed the latter to be more scandalous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's gay and he's a boy, how is it horrible?

its a slur. don't be naive

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

The attitude of seeing racism where it doesn't exist and using it to attack people for their views.

She had a piss poor attitude about being picked for the task and she was just using Ray J as an excuse and she distanced herself from others by telling people they couldn't talk to her. It didn't help she was standoffish when there was no reason to be either.

She said she wasn't sure if she could talk to people due to the task but even then she did talk to people, bar being irritated with Speidi. She was courteous with Bianca and Angie and the old guy (forgot his name)

"The attitude of seeing racism where it doesn't exist" you can't tell people that have experienced racism what is or isn't. It's condescending. Racism comes in many forms. Subtle or strong. People not seeing racism in everything is not what's going to solve the problem. Addressing all the forms of racism will. Some are so subtle it's easy to pass it off as not being a form of racism when it is.

[Marsh.]

its a slur. don't be naive

How is it a slur? :unsure:

And why is it always white people fretting about racism and straight people pointing out the homophobia.

My, we are all such delicate little flowers nowadays.

[Brillopad]

What bull, it is just this type of over-sensitive nonsence that causes all this political correctness. She clearly wasn't being offensive but the thread starter saw an opportunity to try and create something out of nothing.

[Withano]

How is it a slur? :unsure:

And why is it always white people fretting about racism and straight people pointing out the homophobia.

My, we are all such delicate little flowers nowadays.

I find this offensive

[Jamie89]

It's kind of ironic btw that the 'edited out' housemate is currently the most talked about :laugh:

[Brillopad]

It's kind of ironic btw that the 'edited out' housemate is currently the most talked about :laugh:

:joker: Stacey has more to her than I thought, growing to quite like her.

[Marsh.]

I find this offensive

I'm black AND gay don't start with me. :fist:

[Brillopad]

How is it a slur? :unsure:

And why is it always white people fretting about racism and straight people pointing out the homophobia.

My, we are all such delicate little flowers nowadays.

Delicate and boring with nothing better to do than complain like a bunch of old ladies. :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's kind of ironic btw that the 'edited out' housemate is currently the most talked about :laugh:

for being a disgusting homophobe?

wow

:umm2:

[Denver]

Just list the answers what you want on the poll because I've switched them around already.

Basically

No is the 1st one
yes 2nd
meh 3rd

[Marsh.]

for being a disgusting homophobe?

wow

:umm2:

Shut it you big girl's blouse. :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shut it you big girl's blouse. :nono:

triggered

[Withano]

I'm black AND gay don't start with me. :fist:

I will shelter you from the storm

[Tom4784]

She said she wasn't sure if she could talk to people due to the task but even then she did talk to people, bar being irritated with Speidi. She was courteous with Bianca and Angie and the old guy (forgot his name)

"The attitude of seeing racism where it doesn't exist" you can't tell people that have experienced racism what is it isn't. It's condescending. Racism comes in many forms. Subtle or strong. People not seeing racism in everything is not what's going to solve the problem. Addressing all the forms of racism will. Some are so subtle it's easy to pass it off as not being a form of racism when it is.

You've been crying racism since last night though just because she got picked for a task. You can't accept that people have a negative opinion of her because she acted like a dick, not because of her skin colour

I'm fully aware of micro-aggression and I would have picked up on it if there was any but there wasn't. If anything, James leading the charge to pick her was likely motivated by the fact that he seems to be the type to be intimidated by strong women.

I'm in the camp that believes that black women tend to be treated awfully in BB and I do think it's often racially motivated but in this case Stacy's made her own bed by being a dick.

[Headie]

what would the reaction be if somebody referred to her as "the black girl" though

She literally called herself that on the first night of live feed and there was no issue

[Denver]

If it was someone else then they would be lynch mobbed

[Headie]

Whoops I voted no meant to put yes

[Marsh.]

what would the reaction be if somebody referred to her as "the black girl" though

I wouldn't have a problem with that either if someone was trying to describe someone they didn't know the name of.

[Jamie89]

But she didn't remember his name

Seeing it again on +1 she definitely knew his name was Austin btw, it was more that she was making a point of him being 'a gay boy' and that being a reason for someone not wanting to share a bed with him, rather than using it just as a description to identify him.

[Beso]

Hope the gay boy finds out what she said, we aint had flounce for a long time.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You've been crying racism since last night though just because she got picked for a task. You can't accept that people have a negative opinion of her because she acted like a dick, not because of her skin colour

I'm fully aware of micro-aggression and I would have picked up on it if there was any but there wasn't. If anything, James leading the charge to pick her was likely motivated by the fact that he seems to be the type to be intimidated by strong women.

I'm in the camp that believes that black women tend to be treated awfully in BB and I do think it's often racially motivated but in this case Stacy's made her own bed by being a dick.

But James knew nothing about her at the start, what made her a dick at that point? and he seemed to be conflicted by his reasons for picking her. Those that did know her said they liked her and were against picking her. If he was indeed intimidated by strong women it should have been Bianca as he probably knows her and is more familiar with her as a strong woman.

But she didn't act like a dick. If she was irritated she had a reason. Speidi didn't even address Austin directly and he already branded Spencer at least a dickhead. But yet Stacey, who was being smothered by them directly can't be annoyed? Why does she have to tread on eggshells wth her reactions.

And the gay comment I've said what I thought about it up there about homophobia in the rnb community.

[Vicky.]

No..not the way she said it. If it actually was a joke and she was friends with him no...but it was not a joke and she only added that bit because she clicked on she had said something wrong :/

[Jase.]

inb4 she's ejected

[Gstar]

She was referring to him because she doesn't know his name, she should have worded it differently though

She was pointing out that Ray was uncomfortable sleeping with an older straight guy but not with a gay guy, don't really see the problem it's a fair question

.

[Cherie]

Overdramatic (and not in a fun way), argumentative for no good reason, potentially homophobic. I liked her yesterday but she showed quite an ugly personality tonight.

It's quite simple, people are allowed to dislike her without being accused of racism. It's attitudes like yours that actually hinder progress rather than aiding it.

Of course she is ugly anyone who brings up a row she had with a dead woman years ago is ugly, and I don't care if the prods asked her the question she should have kept it zipped

[Jack_]

Well it's obviously not the best term to use but in reality if you replace the word 'boy' with 'guy' the sentence takes on a whole different meaning, and that's how I assumed she meant it.

I also thought she was asking whether Ray J would be bothered about sharing a bed with a gay guy, not questioning why anyone would do that herself. But idk, I gusss time will tell

[Tom4784]

But James knew nothing about her at the start, what made her a dick at that point? and he seemed to be conflicted by his reasons for picking her. Those that did know her said they liked her and were against picking her. If he was indeed intimidated by strong women it should have been Bianca as he probably knows her and is more familiar with her as a strong woman.

But she didn't act like a dick. If she was irritated she had a reason. Speidi didn't even address Austin directly and he already branded Spencer at least a dickhead. But yet Stacey, who was being smothered by them directly can't be annoyed? Why does she have to tread on eggshells wth her reactions.

And the gay comment I've said what I thought about it up there about homophobia in the rnb community.

I think you're reaching.

She did act like a dick and so did Austin so I don't know why you're bringing him up when I'm not excusing his behavior in the first place. You are looking for racism where there is none. As I said before, you can't handle the fact that people simply don't like Stacy and you seem a bit obsessed with painting anyone that doesn't like her as a racist.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I think you're reaching.

She did act like a dick and so did Austin so I don't know why you're bringing him up when I'm not excusing his behavior in the first place. You are looking for racism where there is none. As I said before, you can't handle the fact that people simply don't like Stacy and you seem a bit obsessed with painting anyone that doesn't like her as a racist.

Girlfriend you can't understand that feeling of exclusion black women feel more often than not. I disagree she didn't act like a dick. Seems you can't accept someone didn't think she was a dick.
I've seen no legit reasons to dislike. If it was because she was snarky to Speidi well then y'all best begin to hate everyone that will be snarky to Speidi in the upcoming weeks to counter balance this.

[Marsh.]

Girlfriend you can't understand that feeling of exclusion black women feel more often than not. I disagree she didn't act like a dick. Seems you can't accept someone didn't think she was a dick.
I've seen no legit reasons to dislike. If it was because she was snarky to Speidi well then y'all best begin to hate everyone that will be snarky to Speidi in the upcoming weeks to counter balance this.

It seems you're the one that can't accept others may have taken a dislike to her for any other reason than her skin colour.

It's really uncalled for.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It seems you're the one that can't accept others may have taken a dislike to her for any other reason than her skin colour.

It's really uncalled for.

Meh she's done fook all. There's more vile people in the house

[Tom4784]

Girlfriend you can't understand that feeling of exclusion black women feel more often than not. I disagree she didn't act like a dick. Seems you can't accept someone didn't think she was a dick.
I've seen no legit reasons to dislike. If it was because she was snarky to Speidi well then y'all best begin to hate everyone that will be snarky to Speidi in the upcoming weeks to counter balance this.

You are applying your own personal issues on a situation rather than seeing the situation for what it is.

Who are you to dictate what's a legitimate reason to dislike someone or not? You say I can't accept someone thinking differently to me (hilarious) but then you go ahead and dictate what is and isn't acceptable in the very next sentence? Hypocritical.

If someone thinks Stacy is a dick then they have every right to think so, they don't need to run it past you first.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You are applying your own personal issues on a situation rather than seeing the situation for what it is.

Who are you to dictate what's a legitimate reason to dislike someone or not? You say I can't accept someone thinking differently to me but then you go ahead and dictate what is and isn't acceptable in the very next sentence? Hypocritical.

If someone thinks Stacy is a dick then they have every right to think so, they don't need to run it past you first.

Reasons I see are nonsense because it seems people are ignoring the context. She was nice enough to everyone but Speidi who seemed to want to wind her up and it was probably edited too. Didn't see anyone but Speidi call her out again after. Wonder why :think: I'm pretty sure if a pretty blonde was irritated with the situation she was put in people would have been more sympathetic. But a black woman irritated is just typical, despite the circumstances. How dare she snap. What a dick. Goodnight :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Reasons I see are nonsense because it seems people are ignoring the context. She was nice enough to everyone but Speidi who seemed to want to wind her up and it was probably edited too. Didn't see anyone but Speidi call her out again after. Wonder why :think: I'm pretty sure if a pretty blonde was irritated with the situation she was put in people would have been more sympathetic. But a black woman irritated is just typical, despite the circumstances. How dare she snap. What a dick. Goodnight :laugh:

You are trivialising the cause by painting everyone who thinks differently to you as a racist and it's honestly disgusting. It's views like yours that give ammunition to people who downplay and speak out against groups like BLM and prevent them as being taken seriously as a civil rights group.

You are looking for reasons to be outraged and inventing them when you can't find them.

Stacy acted like a dick, she wasn't very likable tonight and her excuses didn't hold water. That is why people turned on her after liking her last night. People haven't just become racist overnight.

[Northern Monkey]

I didn't even know 'gay boy' was homophobic.I mean he is both those words.It would be insulting if he was straight but he is'nt so I don't see the problem tbh.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You are trivialising the cause by painting everyone who thinks differently to you as a racist and it's honestly disgusting. It's views like yours that give ammunition to people who downplay and speak out against groups like BLM and prevent them as being taken seriously as a civil rights group.

You are looking for reasons to be outraged and inventing them when you can't find them.

Stacy acted like a dick, she wasn't very likable tonight and her excuses didn't hold water. That is why people turned on her after liking her last night. People haven't just become racist overnight.

Let's leave BLM out of it. Don't use me as an excuse. I said before if people truly care about ending racism, or fighting against their own prejudices they should do so of their own free will. Don't hide behind "it's views like yours" to justify why you might downplay people's outcries against racism.

Now I am not inventing anything. I am not looking for reasons to be outraged, rather it looks like it's people that have been looking for reasons to be outraged against her. You keep making a statement that she was a dick but exactly why you think she was one wasn't so clear. I stated my views regarding her snarkiness towards Speidi, her gay boy comment and the unclear reasons she was picked.

[Wizard.]

Miss Francis has been given a verbal warning... oops

[Denver]

I seen a few people send in the Cult of Scientology to the @BBUK twitter account so i expect she may be removed

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

:_Med86wVCSI

I...I...I.just.can.not! :umm2:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Miss Francis has been given a verbal warning... oops

Good. People can focus on other people now. But I feel they won't until she's out, as is the pattern.

[kingston]

Miss Francis has been given a verbal warning... oops

I wonder if she'll claim "religious persecution" considering it's part of her cult teachings that homosexuals are sexual deviants akin to pedophiles...

[Tom4784]

I didn't even know 'gay boy' was homophobic.I mean he is both those words.It would be insulting if he was straight but he is'nt so I don't see the problem tbh.

It was the way she said it for me, she didn't say anything implicitly homophobic but the way she said it rang alarm bells.

[Headie]

I seen a few people send in the Cult of Scientology to the @BBUK twitter account so i expect she may be removed

kingston expanded to social media outlets other than TiBB?

[Tom4784]

Let's leave BLM out of it. Don't use me as an excuse. I said before if people truly care about ending racism, or fighting against their own prejudices they should do so of their own free will. Don't hide behind "it's views like yours" to justify why you might downplay people's outcries against racism.

Now I am not inventing anything. I am not looking for reasons to be outraged, rather it looks like it's people that have been looking for reasons to be outraged against her. You keep making a statement that she was a dick but exactly why you think she was one wasn't so clear. I stated my views regarding her snarkiness towards Speidi, her gay boy comment and the unclear reasons she was picked.

I've made it clear why she was a dick but you haven't accepted it since you want to see racism everywhere. There's very little point in discussing this further, we're just going around in circles.

[Shaun]

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[kingston]

kingston expanded to social media outlets other than TiBB?

Nope... But I'm happy to see others spreading the word about her involvement in the cult...

[iRyan]

The way she said it was judgy and her comment was idiotic, but I don't think it's worth a warning.

[12bigbrother12]

This hypersensitivity to anything that isn't politically correct has been killing the show for a decade now. If you put 14 people in a house and film then some prejudices will be revealed, this is supposed to be a social experiment and society has prejudices. I wish the producers would keep their morally superior attitudes out of it. Unless someone is being singled out and bullied then there should be no interference.

Edit: I say this as a gay man too.

[Lstan]

This hypersensitivity to anything that isn't politically correct has been killing the show for a decade now. If you put 14 people in a house and film then some prejudices will be revealed, this is supposed to be a social experiment and society has prejudices. I wish the producers would keep their morally superior attitudes out of it. Unless someone is being singled out and bullied then there should be no interference.

Edit: I say this as a gay man too.

I do wonder if this hysteria is caused mainly on forums like this (I mean in general like you say not just this incident)

I dont have any opinion on this specific issue as im not part of the group affected. A lot of time people speculate what other people are going to find offensive (in general) and sometimes make things seem more serious than they are.

[jennyjuniper]

How is calling a gay guy gay unacceptable

Mess

This thought had crossed my mind too.:shrug:

[caprimint]

Absolutely not.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I've made it clear why she was a dick but you haven't accepted it since you want to see racism everywhere. There's very little point in discussing this further, we're just going around in circles.

Well I am not the only one who thought there could have been some underlying racism when they chose her to be edited out, at least out there, not so much on this board. I saw things like "an all white panel choosing the black girl hmmm"

[Northern Monkey]

Well if she's a scientologist she could very well be homophobic.

[Vanessa]

Well if she's a scientologist she could very well be homophobic.

Yes, I get this feeling as well. I actually liked her until last night.

[BB-Germany]

The only controversial thing was Coleen asking if it was OK for someone to sleep next to a gay guy. In connection to her past opinions on gays it just shows where her mind is set.

[Niamh.]

She was pointing out that Ray was uncomfortable sleeping with an older straight guy but not with a gay guy, don't really see the problem it's a fair question

Yeah that's how I saw it too

[Vanessa]

The only controversial thing was Coleen asking if it was OK for someone to sleep next to a gay guy. In connection to her past opinions on gays it just shows where her mind is set.
I didn't like Colleen the last time and she"a still awful. :fist:

[chuff me dizzy]

I wouldn't have been offended if she had described someone as the straight white man, so why should I be offended by her saying gay boy?

[Jamie89]

The only controversial thing was Coleen asking if it was OK for someone to sleep next to a gay guy. In connection to her past opinions on gays it just shows where her mind is set.

What's this referring to? I don't really know much about her

[sampvt]

I wouldn't have been offended if she had described someone as the straight white man, so why should I be offended by her saying gay boy?

Chuff I see nothing wrong with it either and what you say is right and probably so do 99% of the GBP. The problem lies within this forum. Ive been on DS and another site this morning and its mentioned in fleeting posts but its got 6 pages on here. Personally I think the issue is the word boy being used, and if she was older it would be ok but as a young lass, it come across as demeaning. Sadly Ghetto speak comes out and gets analised in the wrong context so thats where it all falls down.

Some people really need to lighten up and brush off silly verbiage poo pahs and move on. Making an issue of everything not in conformation to PC rules is creating a gender gap and fallouts like these.

[Saph]

No it was not acceptable but as a Cult of Scientology member she has to believe that homosexuality is in the same league as pedophilia...



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[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff I see nothing wrong with it either and what you say is right and probably so do 99% of the GBP. The problem lies within this forum. Ive been on DS and another site this morning and its mentioned in fleeting posts but its got 6 pages on here. Personally I think the issue is the word boy being used, and if she was older it would be ok but as a young lass, it come across as demeaning. Sadly Ghetto speak comes out and gets analised in the wrong context so thats where it all falls down.

Some people really need to lighten up and brush off silly verbiage poo pahs and move on. Making an issue of everything not in conformation to PC rules is creating a gender gap and fallouts like these.

Every word or gesture is analysed and picked through to see if theres is anything folk can moan about, just watch the show and enjoy it,or turn off

[Vanessa]

We will see, I just didn't like that she said that. He has a name and it's Austin :fist:

[Niamh.]

We will see, I just didn't like that she said that. He has a name and it's Austin :fist:

Austin is actually my favourite HM but I think the reason she mentioned him being gay was the whole point she was making, like how come he's ok sleeping with a gay guy but not a straight one

[Vanessa]

Austin is actually my favourite HM but I think the reason she mentioned him being gay was the whole point she was making, like how come he's ok sleeping with a gay guy but not a straight one

I hope that's what she meant.

[sampvt]

We will see, I just didn't like that she said that. He has a name and it's Austin :fist:

They are all new to eachother in there and names are hard to remember especially after you are chucked out into the garden. Would it be different if she was to refer to James as the ''dancer boy'' or anyone as the blond girl or big fella.........No....... she said gay boy and that got the homosexual community up in arms which tends to get views on here and its sadly pathetic. My eldest is gay and he says its food and fodder for the PC brigade and it infuriates him as he gets the backlash of it because he feels certain people think the BGLTV community should be treated specially instead of normally like everyone else.

[MrWong]

Stacy put her comments down to sarcasm. Can anyone explain what was sarcastic? I didn't get that at all.

[Mullens123]

Personally I think she worded it badly and I wouldn't be surprised if she had homophobic views due to her religious connections. But I don't think it's bad enough that she should be punished and I'm glad she wasn't given a bs warning about it by Big Brother. If her comment offended anyone then perhaps people need thicker skin, and I'm sure given what other LGBT people go through they'd have skin thick enough to not be offended by being called "gay boy".

[chuff me dizzy]

Everyone walks on egg shells scared to talk as everything and every word is disected,Scared one wrong word can wreck a career ........PC gone mad

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 1950 Hubbard published Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, introducing his "science of the mind," Dianetics. He classified homosexuality as an illness or sexual perversion, citing contemporary psychiatric and psychological textbooks to support his view:

The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in Dynamic II [i.e. sexuality] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of Ellis and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically...he is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also far from normal and extremely dangerous to society

source: wiki

so chances are that if she is batsh1t enough to think Scientology is a thing she is crazy enough to swallow up that bolloxio

[Gusto Brunt]

No, it's not acceptable. :mad:

First of all, he is gay, yes. ;) BUT he is NOT a boy! :mad:

[Vicky.]

I didn't even know 'gay boy' was homophobic.I mean he is both those words.It would be insulting if he was straight but he is'nt so I don't see the problem tbh.

Its not really the words, it was the way it was said. For me anyway.

But meh..I guess its up to 'gay boys' to decide if its actually offensive. I am not one to take offense on behalf of others tbh. Was just a bit...off.

People would probably think me homophobic if they heard me speaking to my mates whilst on the piss. It will become clear in time if she actually is homophobic.

[Jamie89]

Personally I think she worded it badly and I wouldn't be surprised if she had homophobic views due to her religious connections. But I don't think it's bad enough that she should be punished and I'm glad she wasn't given a bs warning about it by Big Brother. If her comment offended anyone then perhaps people need thicker skin, and I'm sure given what other LGBT people go through they'd have skin thick enough to not be offended by being called "gay boy".

Apparently they have given her a warning. Personally I don't think it warrants a warning either (even though I think she was in the wrong). I don't think the problem was just that she said "gay boy" though, I think it was more the context and that a lot of people think it came across like she might have a problem with gays.

Stacy put her comments down to sarcasm. Can anyone explain what was sarcastic? I didn't get that at all.

I think it was just the first thing that popped into her head when she realised her comment had gone down like a lead balloon :laugh:

[ebandit]

...i'm sure austin is loud and proud............why would he give a **!*

Mark L

[MrWong]

Apparently they have given her a warning. Personally I don't think it warrants a warning either (even though I think she was in the wrong). I don't think the problem was just that she said "gay boy" though, I think it was more the context and that a lot of people think it came across like she might have a problem with gays.



I think it was just the first thing that popped into her head when she realised her comment had gone down like a lead balloon :laugh:

Hence the backtracking. I guess we'll have to see where this leads. The fact that she's linked to Scientology it's not looking great.

[Cal.]

I would describe someone as 'the gay boy' or 'the black girl' if I didn't know their name.

[Cal.]

I would describe someone as 'the gay boy' or 'the black girl' if I didn't know their name.

(Obviously not if they weren't a gay man or a black woman)

[Withano]

They edited it out of the 2pm repeat completely

[Jamie89]

I would describe someone as 'the gay boy' or 'the black girl' if I didn't know their name.

I don't think it was because she didn't know his name though, they'd all been saying 'Austin' right before she said it, and then followed it with "Austin's gay isn't he?" (or something like that). So it seemed more like she was trying to make a generic point of "why would a straight man be ok with sharing a bed with a gay boy", rather than not knowing his name and just saying it to identify him. For me it's less about the actual term 'gay boy' (even though it was still unnecessary) and more about the point she was trying to make.

[Niamh.]

I don't think it was because she didn't know his name though, they'd all been saying 'Austin' right before she said it, and then followed it with "Austin's gay isn't he?" (or something like that). So it seemed more like she was trying to make a generic point of "why would a straight man be ok with sharing a bed with a gay boy", rather than not knowing his name and just saying it to identify him. For me it's less about the actual term 'gay boy' (even though it was still unnecessary) and more about the point she was trying to make.

I thought the point she was making was why would he be ok to share a bed with a gay guy but not a straight guy

[Vanessa]

Did she get a warning for this?

[andybigbro]

Did she get a warning for this?

We will probably see tonight I thhink

[Jamie89]

I thought the point she was making was why would he be ok to share a bed with a gay guy but not a straight guy

I don't think he'd said that he wouldn't be ok sharing with a straight guy though, it was just that he'd chosen to share with Austin instead of Brandon for whatever reason (sexuality hadn't come into it from what I remember until Stacy brought it up).

Did she get a warning for this?

I think so