Coleen thinks gay couples shouldn't adpot / compared homosexuality to ISIS

[Headie]

The star was discussing the recent court case in Ireland that saw the Ashers Baking Company taken to court and found guilty of discrimination for refusing to make a gay marriage cake.

After Coleen defended the bakery for stating that it was their religious belief to be against gay marriage, she then shocked some viewers by asking if they have to accept orders to make a cake with a gay slogan on it, would it mean they have to accept an order with a design supporting Islamic extremist group ISIS.

“At the end of the day, if you went in there and two days later they said ‘we don’t want to make your cakes because of our beliefs’, you’d just never go back to that shop and you’d probably say to all your gay friends, ‘don’t go there, they’re anti-gay,’ and boycott it,” she said.

“What about if somebody walked in and said I want a cake and I want the whole Islamic State on it and how I support it and how I support them killing our people. Because it’s a business do they have to make it? And if they turn around and say they’re not making it, we’d all applaud it.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/19/coleen-nolan-loose-women-gay-marriage-cake-isis_n_7313432.html

Coleen upset viewers of the show in 2007 when she admitted that she did not agree with gay adoption.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/coleen-nolan-escapes-reprimand-after-5974156

Don't suppose she'll get the Winston treatment though :idc:

[Denver]

So Stacy and Coleen are homophobic? Did she help Stacy kill Whitney?

[Glenn-C]

Oh.

[Firewire]

She's trash

Nadia would never

[Jarrod]

Out her

[Denver]

Now we know why Jesy left her twat of the son

[Shaun]

bloody ISIS

coming over here, paying for cake

[sampvt]

These people are defo keeping the gaydar crew busy. Why cant we all just accept some people are dicks and their views are somewhat stupid instead of making issues of it all the bloody time. Older people have their own views which in the past were considered views, these days those same views are borderline asignate. Some people were not privvy to a PC education but dont worry we are dying out

[Firewire]

Good

[Denver]

These people are defo keeping the gaydar crew busy. Why cant we all just accept some people are dicks and their views are somewhat stupid instead of making issues of it all the bloody time. Older people have their own views which in the past were considered views, these days those same views are borderline asignate. Some people were not privvy to a PC education but dont worry we are dying out

because your views are wrong in society today.

People have fought for years to not be different yet people are unwilling to accept out of spite and bitterness.

[Black Dagger]

I love 2014 Loose Women.

But yes, she's a **** anyway, so... what else is new?

[sampvt]

because your views are wrong in society today.

People have fought for years to not be different yet people are unwilling to accept out of spite and bitterness.

Im 64 and have fought for my country, have you. By the way how old are you and dont look at your watch

[Withano]

God she's thick. She said in her vt that the press takes her words out of context a lot? Imma need to see the video

[Denver]

Im 64 and have fought for my country, have you. By the way how old are you and dont look at your watch

Because you are 64 doesnt make your disguisting views right

[Vanessa]

Urgh, can't stand her. She's very attention seeking. :oh:

[azi]

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar5970_221.gif

Angie will end her.

[armand.kay]

welp at her views on adoption.... While I kind of get her views on the cake shop drama comparing the gays to isis is just ridiculous.

[sampvt]

Because you are 64 doesnt make your disguisting views right

And it makes you right, oh I get it, the world according to garp all over again. You really need to look at your own views and see what comes out. Or are you deliberately looking for a fight because its looking like that due to the m=number of times you pull me up.

[Gstar]

I'm a big LW fan and remember hearing about this story. It doesn't sound like something Coleen would say so it was probably taken out of context a lot, however, it would be great if someone found the episode of exactly what she said

[Tom4784]

She's a disgusting creature.

[Mitchell]

These people are defo keeping the gaydar crew busy. Why cant we all just accept some people are dicks and their views are somewhat stupid instead of making issues of it all the bloody time. Older people have their own views which in the past were considered views, these days those same views are borderline asignate. Some people were not privvy to a PC education but don't worry we are dying out

If the sad bastards who feel the need to discriminate someone for who they are can hurry up and become extinct that would be lovely xxx

[Denver]

And it makes you right, oh I get it, the world according to garp all over again. You really need to look at your own views and see what comes out. Or are you deliberately looking for a fight because its looking like that due to the m=number of times you pull me up.

I believe in everybody being treated equally no matter the gender, sexuality or age.

[Firewire]

I believe in everybody being treated equally no matter the gender, sexuality or age.

Unless they're fat, I'm assuming?

[Mitchell]

welp at her views on adoption.... While I kind of get her views on the cake shop drama comparing the gays to isis is just ridiculous.

I think this is my view on this, the comparison was a ****ing idiotic comparison, I got her point but not why she thought to include that?

But yeah the gay adoption comments were pathetic

[Withano]

These people are defo keeping the gaydar crew busy. Why cant we all just accept some people are dicks and their views are somewhat stupid instead of making issues of it all the bloody time. Older people have their own views which in the past were considered views, these days those same views are borderline asignate. Some people were not privvy to a PC education but dont worry we are dying out

It's sort of a popularity contest, bringing up past quotes seems like fair game. If PC brigade are offended then they won't get their vote, if hyper-religious people agree, she might win some votes. It's all fair to me.

[sampvt]

I believe in everybody being treated equally no matter the gender, sexuality or age.

Sounds like it, now act your age and practice what you preach.

[Denver]

Unless they're fat, I'm assuming?

I am a changed man now that was the old me i respect everyone now

[Jake.]

eject her

[Mitchell]

I believe in everybody being treated equally no matter the gender, sexuality or age.

This! Can't people be judged on the things they do or the things they say rather than things they cannot help like sexuality, age, appearance, weight, race, gender whatever, it's ****ing pathetic to do so otherwise

[Ross.]

https://67.media.tumblr.com/0590f2ef9171d9c120daa59db8f36233/tumblr_o4i2haSZ201ql5yr7o1_500.gif

[Tom4784]

These people are defo keeping the gaydar crew busy. Why cant we all just accept some people are dicks and their views are somewhat stupid instead of making issues of it all the bloody time. Older people have their own views which in the past were considered views, these days those same views are borderline asignate. Some people were not privvy to a PC education but dont worry we are dying out

It's always sad when people downplay and defend prejudice as apparently not being happy that equality doesn't exist is simply 'making an issue of it'.

[Lostie!]

Oh I forgot about that cake debacle.

She wasn't exactly comparing homosexuality to ISIS lmao but it was a ridiculous analogy.

[Marsh.]

https://67.media.tumblr.com/0590f2ef9171d9c120daa59db8f36233/tumblr_o4i2haSZ201ql5yr7o1_500.gif

:joker:

[rusticgal]

I believe in everybody being treated equally no matter the gender, sexuality or age.



Surely then you must agree that everyone has an opinion whether you agree with it or not...whether it's right or wrong...

[Epic.]

Winston her

[Tom4784]

Surely then you must agree that everyone has an opinion whether you agree with it or not...whether it's right or wrong...

Opinions are a two way street, Sam is entitled to his opinion but everyone else is entitled to have their own thoughts on that opinion too.

[rusticgal]

Opinions are a two way street, Sam is entitled to his opinion but everyone else is entitled to have their own thoughts on that opinion too.

That's the very point I just made...:shrug:

[Amy Jade]

Coleen is vile. Colour me stunned.

[sampvt]

That's the very point I just made...:shrug:

Thanks for saying it that way, I agree but where has Adam gone :dog:

[Braden]

No wonder she resents Julian Clary so much.

[Niamh.]

She's trash

Nadia would never
:clap2:

[Beso]

I believe in everybody being treated equally no matter the gender, sexuality or age.

So a 94 yr old couple can adopt a child?

[Denver]

So a 94 yr old couple can adopt a child?

If they are capable then yes

[Denver]

So a 94 yr old couple can adopt a child?

If they are capable then yes

[Firewire]

So a 94 yr old couple can adopt a child?

What does this have to do with gay couples?

[Beso]

What does this have to do with gay couples?

Nothing...whatever made you think it had:shrug:

[Amy Jade]

Nothing...whatever made you think it had:shrug:

Possibly the fact it's in this topic?

[Firewire]

Nothing...whatever made you think it had:shrug:

You posted in a thread which is about comments relating to gay adoption :think:

[Denver]

Possibly the fact it's in this topic?

You posted in a thread which is about comments relating to gay adoption :think:

He only wanted a reaction fro me

[Beso]

You posted in a thread which is about comments relating to gay adoption :think:

I quoted a post about everyone being treated the same no matter what sex age et etc..seemed clear enough to me.

[Beso]

He only wanted a reaction fro me

Please..

I barely recognise the name.:nono:

[Firewire]

I quoted a post about everyone being treated the same no matter what sex age et etc..seemed clear enough to me.

His post wasn't about adoption, it was about being treated equally. Your reply made no sense.

[Beso]

His post wasn't about adoption, it was about being treated equally. Your reply made no sense.

Hia reply was about everyone being tteated equally in a thread predominantly about gay adoption..what does age have to do with that? Remembering that adam brought it up first.:joker:

[Denver]

Hia reply was about everyone being tteated equally in a thread predominantly about gay adoption..what does age have to do with that? Remembering that adam brought it up first.:joker:

Look back at the thread i didnt bring the age up

[Beso]

Look back at the thread i didnt bring the age up

You mentioned age though..

Bloody hell everyone is so defencive these days..dont take things so personally adam.:joker:

[Daniel-X]

She's just a ****ing cow, always has been and always will be.

[Denver]

You mentioned age though..

Bloody hell everyone is so defencive these days..dont take things so personally adam.:joker:

I was defending equal rights, please dont come in here and attack me and making out your pals views are perfectly acceptable when they are not and i will not be spoken down to and have false accusations made about me for no reason what so ever

[Mitchell]

You mentioned age though..

Bloody hell everyone is so defencive these days..dont take things so personally adam.:joker:

Maybe because Sam expected respect from Adam purely because he was 60 odd and Adam is younger?

[Lstan]

This is old news surprised people are shocked by that, shes an idiot, thought that was common knowledge.

[sampvt]

I was defending equal rights, please dont come in here and attack me and making out your pals views are perfectly acceptable when they are not and i will not be spoken down to and have false accusations made about me for no reason what so ever

Not nice when the shoes on the other foot is it.

[Mullens123]

Strange how people mention tolerance but want to block anyone with a view opposite to their own. As much as I disagree with what Colleen said here I don't see why she isn't entitled to her views. Also she wasn't comparing homosexuality to ISIS, she was just saying if a privately owned business wants to turn away a customer due to feeling whatever they're being asked to do is against their beliefs then they should have that right. Like how a Caribbean music group turned down an event for Winston McKenzie due to disliking the rhetoric used by some UKIP members.

Granted a gay wedding cake is a symbol of love and politics generally isn't, but it's just the same principle of turning away business.

[Niamh.]

Strange how people mention tolerance but want to block anyone with a view opposite to their own. As much as I disagree with what Colleen said here I don't see why she isn't entitled to her views. Also she wasn't comparing homosexuality to ISIS, she was just saying if a privately owned business wants to turn away a customer due to feeling whatever they're being asked to do is against their beliefs then they should have that right. Like how a Caribbean music group turned down an event for Winston McKenzie due to disliking the rhetoric used by some UKIP members.

Granted a gay wedding cake is a symbol of love and politics generally isn't, but it's just the same principle of turning away business.

I suppose the problem with it is it isn't a fair comparison because ISIS are a terrorist organisation which is an illegal organisation

A fairer comparison would be if it's ok to say gay marriage is against my beliefs would it also be ok to turn away a cake for an interracial couples wedding because you don't agree with that?

[Vicky.]

Oh dear...

Though I am in two minds about the cake thing, I have to admit. On the one hand it seems ridiculous to refuse to bake a cake because you disagree with the message on it. On the other hand, is it really that different to churches being able to refuse to perform gay marriage ceremonies because of their personal beliefs? Not totally sure where I stand on it, though oddly enough I have strong feelings about the B&B that turned away gay couples. And a shop is not much different to a B&B :shrug:

The rest of her comments are disgusting though. I wonder if BB will throw her under the bus the way they did with that Winston guy...doubt it somehow.

[Mullens123]

I suppose the problem with it is it isn't a fair comparison because ISIS are a terrorist organisation which is an illegal organisation

A fairer comparison would be if it's ok to say gay marriage is against my beliefs would it also be ok to turn away a cake for an interracial couples wedding because you don't agree with that?

I completely agree in that her comparison was pretty shoddy. Comparing disapproving of love to disapproving of terrorism is a stretch by any standards, but to me it's just that whole question of free speech. The interracial couple example would've been ideal, and although to me (someone who has had negative reception to being in an interracial relationship) it's an abhorrent view, Id just take my business elsewhere and accept their decision to lose money based on an irrational view. Hanging people out to dry for their views like they did with Winston just isn't the way forward to dealing with this, and it just feels like doing so will fuel even more hatred as it allows these individuals to play the victim. I mean I never thought id say it but I actually felt sorry for Winston by the end of it all, and it really shouldn't have been that way because he's an ass.

[Crimson Dynamo]

colleen made a snide homophobic comment about beds already on day one

[chuff me dizzy]

HER opinion,and she's entitled to it

[Headie]

HER opinion,and she's entitled to it

:joker::joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

I completely agree in that her comparison was pretty shoddy. Comparing disapproving of love to disapproving of terrorism is a stretch by any standards, but to me it's just that whole question of free speech. The interracial couple example would've been ideal, and although to me (someone who has had negative reception to being in an interracial relationship) it's an abhorrent view, Id just take my business elsewhere and accept their decision to lose money based on an irrational view. Hanging people out to dry for their views like they did with Winston just isn't the way forward to dealing with this, and it just feels like doing so will fuel even more hatred as it allows these individuals to play the victim. I mean I never thought id say it but I actually felt sorry for Winston by the end of it all, and it really shouldn't have been that way because he's an ass.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

I see your points, it's a tough one really

[Tom4784]

HER opinion,and she's entitled to it

And people are allowed to comment on it.

Saying 'it's her's/my/whomever's opinion is not some sort of magical shield to prevent an opinion from being discussed by others. Opinions work both ways.

[Rob!]

And people are allowed to comment on it.

Saying 'it's her's/my/whomever's opinion is not some sort of magical shield to prevent an opinion from being discussed by others. Opinions work both ways.

It's a guarded way of agreeing with said opinion let's be honest :idc:

[tomie]

Now we know why Jesy left her twat of the son

Didn't he leave her? Regardless jesy>nolans

[ThriceShy]

I've never forgiven Coleen for her bizarre claim on Radio 2 that "all people who think the McCanns might be guilty are mentally ill."

She is one of those typical morons that have been given a bigger platform than she would ever deserve or merit. And she thinks her opinions are important. She is a complete dullard and atrocious singer, with a career that died 35 years ago.

[ThriceShy]

HER opinion,and she's entitled to it

I do agree with this, despite my previous post. And I actually do agree with her regarding the bakery thing.

[Nancy.]

Hmm. Never thought she was homophobic. Strange.

[Northern Monkey]

I suppose the problem with it is it isn't a fair comparison because ISIS are a terrorist organisation which is an illegal organisation

A fairer comparison would be if it's ok to say gay marriage is against my beliefs would it also be ok to turn away a cake for an interracial couples wedding because you don't agree with that?

Was'nt gay marriage also illegal in Ireland at the time of the cake thing?

[Niamh.]

Was'nt gay marriage also illegal in Ireland at the time of the cake thing?

I was driving along in my car today and I remembered that post for some reason and I was thinking good job nobody clicked onto the fact that gay marriage is illegal in Northern Ireland (still is in fact) :fan: Damn you Northern Monkey :fist:

I still would consider it different in that, you can be arrested for supporting a terrorist organisation/trying to promote it where as being gay isn't illegal and supporting gay marriage is more of a civil rights matter

[MrWong]

Oh dear...

Though I am in two minds about the cake thing, I have to admit. On the one hand it seems ridiculous to refuse to bake a cake because you disagree with the message on it. On the other hand, is it really that different to churches being able to refuse to perform gay marriage ceremonies because of their personal beliefs? Not totally sure where I stand on it, though oddly enough I have strong feelings about the B&B that turned away gay couples. And a shop is not much different to a B&B :shrug:

The rest of her comments are disgusting though. I wonder if BB will throw her under the bus the way they did with that Winston guy...doubt it somehow.

The B&B and the cake shop are businesses for profit. Businesses aren't allowed to discriminate. They would contravene equality legislation by doing so.

[Northern Monkey]

I was driving along in my car today and I remembered that post for some reason and I was thinking good job nobody clicked onto the fact that gay marriage is illegal in Northern Ireland (still is in fact) :fan: Damn you Northern Monkey :fist:

I still would consider it different in that, you can be arrested for supporting a terrorist organisation/trying to promote it where as being gay isn't illegal and supporting gay marriage is more of a civil rights matter

:laugh:

I still think a custom art designer should be free to choose the designs they are willing to do.I know a tattoo shop that won't do any writing.
The cake shop owner didn't refuse to serve the couple because they were gay.Iirc i thought the gay couple had used the shop in the past.It was just the design that they could'nt do as it was against their religion.
I can't stand Coleen btw.I'm not defending her just her right hold her opinions.

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

I still think a custom art designer should be free to choose the designs they are willing to do.I know a tattoo shop that won't do any writing.
The cake shop owner didn't refuse to serve the couple because they were gay.Iirc i thought the gay couple had used the shop in the past.It was just the design that they could'nt do as it was against their religion.
I can't stand Coleen btw.I'm not defending her just her right hold her opinions.

I suppose it's a more grey area in NI atleast as it isn't legal but if it were here in the South and say a cake shop refused to do a wedding cake for a gay couple I definitely think that would be wrong, imo religious views shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against the laws of the land.

[Jamie89]

I'm in two minds over her comments. I've always felt the "gay couples shouldn't adopt" thing is sometimes more of a sexist view than a homophobic one (depending on why someone thinks it). My mum for example holds that view but she's not homophobic in the slightest (she's bisexual herself and has always been accepting/proud of me being gay), the reason she thinks like that though is because she has old fashioned views of male and female roles when it comes to raising children and she'd feel the same about the idea of my sister being a single parent and raising a child without a dad as she would about me and a partner raising a child without a mother, so sexuality isn't actually the factor in her holding that view... she's kind of sexist basically :laugh: but not homophobic. So it depends really why Coleen thinks like that, if it's because she doesn't like gay people and/or thinks that their sexuality would be a bad influence on children or they'd be bad parents 'because' of their sexuality then yeah she's homophobic, but I don't know how she meant it. And the ISIS cake thing just comes across as stupid more than anything else, if she thinks being gay is comparable/as bad as to belonging to a terrorist organisation then she's pretty homophobic, but it looks to me more like she just put her point across very badly.

[chuff me dizzy]

I've never forgiven Coleen for her bizarre claim on Radio 2 that "all people who think the McCanns might be guilty are mentally ill."

She is one of those typical morons that have been given a bigger platform than she would ever deserve or merit. And she thinks her opinions are important. She is a complete dullard and atrocious singer, with a career that died 35 years ago.

I had not heard of this ,Coleen ( who I like ) really needs to look deeper into this case ,and not just accept what the press tell us