Nicola and James J are quiet (so far)

[LukeB]

Is anyone surprised by this?

[Jason.]

James has been overshadowed by Austin. And Speidi are hogging all the airtime from our Nic </3

[Marsh.]

Nicola's doing what she did last time.

Bugger all but sit and blubber.

[y.winter]

James in a few episodes:
https://media.giphy.com/media/g7mFUgil0N0I0/giphy.gif

[LukeB]

James has been overshadowed by Austin. And Speidi are hogging all the airtime from our Nic </3

Austin hasn't really had that much airtime really, only when it's Speidi linked or him crying for attention.

[Jack_]

Nicola no, she was great on CBB9 but there's a lot of bigger characters this time and I had a feeling she'd be overshadowed. That said, it took a while for her to meltdown last time (IIRC at least) so we shall see

James yes, although I still think he's trying to gauge Spencer and I'm looking forward to whatever the result is

[LukeB]

James in a few episodes:
https://media.giphy.com/media/g7mFUgil0N0I0/giphy.gif

Speidi awaking the sleeping giant?

[rusticgal]

Is anyone surprised by this?



No....Nicola is doing a Pricey and trying to rid herself of the 'outspoken bitch' image and just playing the nice humble 'mum' 'missing my kids' role.
James J seems to be standing back and getting other people to do his dirty work at the moment...and trying to be everyone's mate to avoid nominations.

[Cherie]

James in a few episodes:
https://media.giphy.com/media/g7mFUgil0N0I0/giphy.gif

:joker: he is stirring behind the scenes

[Amy Jade]

Nicola was quiet last time too until a few weeks in and then she went a bit mad and started being amazing value.

Iirc she was the same on IAC, quiet to begin with and the David Van Day pissed her off and boom

[Jason.]

Austin hasn't really had that much airtime really, only when it's Speidi linked or him crying for attention.

(something Speidi do yet you still stan)

He's had more than James.

[LukeB]

(something Speidi do yet you still stan)

He's had more than James.

They haven't cried :shrug:

[Amy Jade]

(something Speidi do yet you still stan)

He's had more than James.

But Speidi are compleately honest about what they are doing. Austin isnt.

[LukeB]

Nicola was quiet last time too until a few weeks in and then she went a bit mad and started being amazing value.

Iirc she was the same on IAC, quiet to begin with and the David Van Day pissed her off and boom

I actually don't remember her IAC stint :worry:

[Jack_]

Nicola was quiet last time too until a few weeks in and then she went a bit mad and started being amazing value.

Iirc she was the same on IAC, quiet to begin with and the David Van Day pissed her off and boom

David Van Day :love: that was a great storyline

[Jason.]

They haven't cried :shrug:

Their whole personality and "game" is based on attention-seeking. Tonight pretty much confirmed that.

[LukeB]

But Speidi are compleately honest about what they are doing. Austin isnt.

This. Austin doesn't admit he is a bit of a knob. He actually thinks he is a nice guy which he isn't.

[Amy Jade]

I actually don't remember her IAC stint :worry:

Her rivalry with David Van Day was iconic

[Cal.]

We want the Nicola Show!

[LukeB]

Their whole personality and "game" is based on attention-seeking. Tonight pretty much confirmed that.

but still they haven't cried. they don't need to try and get attention they just get it because they have a big impact so may as well do what they are doing. At least we know. Unlike Austin they admit things.

[Jason.]

The good ol' "honesty" card being used again there, I see

[Amy Jade]

The good ol' "honesty" card being used again there, I see

Because Speidi are honest about their gameplan. They go in reality TV to cause drama, they are basically paid villains. They walked in saying they wanted to find peoples weaknesses and play the game.

[Jason.]

but still they haven't cried. they don't need to try and get attention they just get it because they have a big impact so may as well do what they are doing. At least we know. Unlike Austin they admit things.

They must've been really thirsty when they stole the whole house's water then? :think:

[LukeB]

Because Speidi are honest about their gameplan. They go in reality TV to cause drama, they are basically paid villains. They walked in saying they wanted to find people weaknesses and play the game.

They are the only one who know its a game because it is. I rather them being honest than people playing the 'nice guy' act but they really are a knob. I liked Austin but his bullying of Chloe/Janice was his downfall and his obsession with Speidi is a tad sad but what can you do, Speidi impacts his live.

[Jason.]

Because Speidi are honest about their gameplan. They go in reality TV to cause drama, they are basically paid villains. They walked in saying they wanted to find peoples weaknesses and play the game.

Some could say Katie Hopkins is "honest", doesn't really stop her from being a massive **** though, does it?

[LukeB]

They must've been really thirsty when they stole the whole house's water then? :think:

any more examples? because they have been the stars of the show without doing any of that 'attention' stuff.

[Jason.]

*sighs*

[Jack_]

I think it's less about attention seeking (that's just a useful byproduct) and more about trying to stir **** and wind people up, personally.

What I find fascinating is that they say this is what they're going to do, all of the housemates sit there and discuss that that is what they're gonna do (unlike the ****ing pathetic supporting cast of CBB11 who allowed themselves to be trolled) and how they should play them at their own game, and then Austin succumbs to such blatant baiting :joker: Spencer's there saying 'I didn't realise it was Austin's water, Austin's H2O' and he falls into his trap and gets irate???

[LukeB]

I think it's less about attention seeking (that's just a useful byproduct) and more about trying to stir **** and wind people up, personally.

What I find fascinating is that they say this is what they're going to do, all of the housemates sit there and discuss that that is what they're gonna do (unlike the ****ing pathetic supporting cast of CBB11 who allowed themselves to be trolled) and how they should play them at their own game, and then Austin succumbs to such blatant baiting :joker: Spencer's there saying 'I didn't realise it was Austin's water, Austin's H2O' and he falls into his trap and gets irate???

Spencer did that :love:

Spencer and Heidi are not even vile so they can continue what they are doing

[Amy Jade]

Some could say Katie Hopkins is "honest", doesn't really stop her from being a massive **** though, does it?

Sorry but I see no comparison at all between the two at all. Spencer and Heidi don't try to offened people, they just do things to annoy them and it's taking an extra few bottles of water fgs thats hardly on par with saying things like ebola killing people is a good thing.

Lets keep this in perspective.

[Jason.]

Sorry but I see no comparison at all between the two at all. Spencer and Heidi don't try to offened people, they just do things to annoy them and it's taking an extra few bottles of water fgs thats hardly on par with saying things like ebola killing people is a good thing.

Lets keep this in perspective.

That wasn't really my point, moreso "honesty" being seen as justification for just being a prick. (They're both hideous in different ways, imo).

[LukeB]

honesty without being vile(with is Speidi) is the best policy. probably respect those types than people who don't admit stuff.

[Jordan.]

Speidi are panto villians at worst, they're not horrible people. Proof in Rylan being friends with them on the outside after the 'feud' they had in the house.

[Marsh.]

They're not friends. They smile for the cameras but would have nothing to do with each other in their everyday lives.

[Macie Lightfoot]

That wasn't really my point, moreso "honesty" being seen as justification for just being a prick. (They're both hideous in different ways, imo).

"SAY IT TO MA FACE! LOOK AT THE STATE AV YA xx" I'm having such Helen Wood flashbacks with this honesty talk (Helen's victory was really a sign of what was to come with Brexit and Trump, wasn't it?)

As for the Speidi thing, I feel deranged at this point trying to explain the same things I've been trying to since 2013 but I just don't get what people see in them at all. I mean, sure I get it at face value, but they don't really do the things that people praise them for? The Machiavellian plotting and scheming that they and production promised us last time really just resulted in them isolating themselves and refusing to talk to anyone. All the talk about their gameplay (both in the house and on these forums) just gives me a headache tbh. I just find everything they bring to be painfully contrived to the point where it's more embarrassing than enthralling. I like my conflict more natural, while some people seem to genuinely think that the show can't survive without Perez shrieking in the garden in his underwear or Marc or Bear throwing food all over the house and generally being wasteful. And if you are going to play a part, at least make it a good one and not just the Loud Asshole we are plagued with literally every series now.

[Jordan.]

They're not friends. They smile for the cameras but would have nothing to do with each other in their everyday lives.

They actually are though. You only have to look on their twitter to see Rylan and Spencer are always having "banter" with each other and Speidi have had numerous guest spots on BOTS. That wouldn't happen if there was any harsh feelings between them.

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[Marsh.]

I never said there was harsh feelings. I said they smile and put up with each other for the camera.

Hence them only hanging out when they're getting paid to appear on BOTS etc.

That doesn't make them friends who would make the effort outside of the BB bubble.

[Jason.]

Yeah I don't think they really like each other tbh.

You can tell there's some underlying resentment there between the two (mainly from Spencer) and the other day on This Morning when Rylan was discussing the rumours with Davina he mentioned how they couldn't handle the fact he won and they didn't or s/t.

[Jordan.]

Their feud is tongue in cheek, there's clearly a mutual respect between them even if they're not popping out for a coffee every other day like Marsh assumes friends must do.

[Jason.]

"SAY IT TO MA FACE! LOOK AT THE STATE AV YA xx" I'm having such Helen Wood flashbacks with this honesty talk (Helen's victory was really a sign of what was to come with Brexit and Trump, wasn't it?)

As for the Speidi thing, I feel deranged at this point trying to explain the same things I've been trying to since 2013 but I just don't get what people see in them at all. I mean, sure I get it at face value, but they don't really do the things that people praise them for? The Machiavellian plotting and scheming that they and production promised us last time really just resulted in them isolating themselves and refusing to talk to anyone. All the talk about their gameplay (both in the house and on these forums) just gives me a headache tbh. I just find everything they bring to be painfully contrived to the point where it's more embarrassing than enthralling. I like my conflict more natural, while some people seem to genuinely think that the show can't survive without Perez shrieking in the garden in his underwear or Marc or Bear throwing food all over the house and generally being wasteful. And if you are going to play a part, at least make it a good one and not just the Loud Asshole we are plagued with literally every series now.

I'm just going to bookmark this so I can link whenever needed as you've summed up my thoughts better than I ever could.

[Shaun]

It's the same old argument really: can they really be lauded as masterminds when this format of the show treats gameplay as an irrelevance only employed by producers when they want a bit of drama? Until the public vote disappears and producers stop rigging nominations, it's meaningless to applaud people for being game-players.

(anyway I'm not sure what this has to do with Nicola or James unless we're talking about it being dominated by the Speidi show, in which case fair enough)

[Marsh.]

Their feud is tongue in cheek, there's clearly a mutual respect between them even if they're not popping out for a coffee every other day like Marsh assumes friends must do.

I've not said anything about what friends "must" do.

But there is obviously a huge difference between "friends" and people who are pleasant to one another when they re-appear on a show they were once on and got into arguments.

Like if Nicola and Denise appeared on BOTS together and got along fine despite whatever went down in their series. Means they're over it but they wouldn't be friends.

[LukeB]

I've not said anything about what friends "must" do.

But there is obviously a huge difference between "friends" and people who are pleasant to one another when they re-appear on a show they were once on and got into arguments.

Like if Nicola and Denise appeared on BOTS together and got along fine despite whatever went down in their series. Means they're over it but they wouldn't be friends.

Nicola and Denise? are you serious, they seem like the type who would have an argument on bots, Nicola is always vocal and doesn't hold back on bots.

[Gstar]

James J seems to be standing back and getting other people to do his dirty work at the moment...and trying to be everyone's mate to avoid nominations.

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[Jordan.]

I've not said anything about what friends "must" do.

But there is obviously a huge difference between "friends" and people who are pleasant to one another when they re-appear on a show they were once on and got into arguments.

Like if Nicola and Denise appeared on BOTS together and got along fine despite whatever went down in their series. Means they're over it but they wouldn't be friends.

Well no that isn't comparable considering Nicola and Denise don't regularly comminucate on social media, it'd be clear they have no relationship.

At the end of the day whatever you want to label it the whole point was there isn't any lasting animosity between them which proves Speidi aren't as awful as people try to make out.

[jennyjuniper]

The thing with the water annoyed me so much. Why do they have to have bottled water when the stuff that comes out of the tap is perfectly okay?

[Marsh.]

Well no that isn't comparable considering Nicola and Denise don't regularly comminucate on social media, it'd be clear they have no relationship.

At the end of the day whatever you want to label it the whole point was there isn't any lasting animosity between them which proves Speidi aren't as awful as people try to make out.

I wasn't comparing I used their names as an example. Hence the use of the word "if". I could've used any enemies of the past just to illustrate what I was saying.

[Marsh.]

Nicola and Denise? are you serious, they seem like the type who would have an argument on bots, Nicola is always vocal and doesn't hold back on bots.

:facepalm: