Do you agree with nicola stopping taking the pill without informing her fella?

[Beso]

Bitches like that need some serious help.

[rusticgal]

Showing her true colours...wonder if that was news to him?

[smudgie]

I did at first, bug when she said he had mentioned them going to try for one I changed my mind.
Maybe she wanted a nice surprise for him.:shrug:

[Ant.]

Her body her choice I guess, but she should've had the courtesy to tell him at least.

[Cal.]

It's her womb

[Vicky.]

I think its a ****ing disgrace tbh. Yes its her body, but the child is also his.

[Beso]

I would make that a criminal offence if i ran the gaff.

[Denver]

Is it not illegal?

[Northern Monkey]

Would it still be ok if a man said he was going to use a condom but put it in without?If not then what she did is just the same.

[rusticgal]

It's her womb




So that makes it HER decision to bring a child into the world despite the fact he might not want it?....very mature NOT!!

[rusticgal]

Would it still be ok if a man said he was going to use a condom but put it in without?If not then what she did is just the same.


I think a woman knows whether a man is wearing a condom or not :conf:
A man would rely on a woman being honest about being on the pill fgs.

[vesavius]

Her body her choice I guess, but she should've had the courtesy to tell him at least.

**** that. There are two people involved. Not just her choice. I bet she would have chased him to pay for it if he had walked.

[Northern Monkey]

It's her womb

It's his sperm?She was sleeping with him under false pretences.He wasn't in it to have kids at that time.

[Beso]

Would it still be ok if a man said he was going to use a condom but put it in without?If not then what she did is just the same.

Nice one...he would be slaughtered on here.

[y.winter]

use a condom?

but really, if they're married, it's not like it's out of the blue...

[Northern Monkey]

I think a woman knows whether a man is wearing a condom or not :conf:
A man would rely on a woman being honest about being on the pill fgs.

What if he just did it without though when he said he had one on and if he had premature ejaculation and she got pregnant?Would that be ok?

[Beso]

What if he just did it without though when he said he had one on and if he had premature ejaculation and she got pregnant?Would that be ok?

Premature ejaculation!!! With her!

:nono:

[Northern Monkey]

Premature ejaculation!!! With her!

:nono:

What if he had the lights off and was thinking about Bianca?:laugh:

[rionablue]

I expected something like that of her. She is a nasty piece of work. I am not sure if he was earning big money when they got together but having moved in together after such a short time it could well have been seen as a trap. Now two kids later he has been caught straying. ALSO she should never EVER have said that in the Big Brother House it ISNT something to be ****ing PROUD OF

[Marsh.]

It's her womb

And its his right to also know whether he's contributing to making a baby or contraception is being used. :umm2:

[Marsh.]

What if he just did it without though when he said he had one on and if he had premature ejaculation and she got pregnant?Would that be ok?

She's so slack she can't tell whether he has a rubber on? :hehe:

[Beso]

What if he had the lights off and was thinking about Bianca?:laugh:

It would still be like throwing a sausage up a close.

[LukeB]

it's her body so it's up to her.

[Denver]

it's her body so it's up to her.

So a man has no say if he wants a child?

[Northern Monkey]

it's her body so it's up to her.

It's only half up to her.Having kids is a two person decision.

[LukeB]

So a man has no say if he wants a child?

He can have a say but she has rights too.

[Denver]

He can have a say but she has rights too.

Well she is taking his rights from him

[Northern Monkey]

I expected something like that of her. She is a nasty piece of work. I am not sure if he was earning big money when they got together but having moved in together after such a short time it could well have been seen as a trap. Now two kids later he has been caught straying. ALSO she should never EVER have said that in the Big Brother House it ISNT something to be ****ing PROUD OF

Very true.It sets a very bad example to any young girls who might be watching and maybe look up to her.

[Vicky.]

Very true.It sets a very bad example to any young girls who might be watching and maybe look up to her.

Surely not. That thought is terrifying :umm2:

[Beso]

There will be some though vicky.

So glad bb aired that to show just how much of a bitch she really is.

[Denver]

Entrapment is illegal

[rusticgal]

She's so slack she can't tell whether he has a rubber on? :hehe:

:joker:

[Vicky.]

if i was straight and my wife stopped taking the pill without me knowing then i would respect that decision(if i ever found). I don't want kids never have but not going to force her to do anything with her body.

Its not forcing her to do anything with her body though? If she doesn't want to take the pill great, but the guy deserves to know this.

I actually can't believe anyone is defending this :umm2:

[Lostie!]

if i was straight and my wife stopped taking the pill without me knowing then i would respect that decision(if i ever found). I don't want kids never have but not going to force her to do anything with her body.

You'd respect her decision to potentially trick you into fathering a child you didn't want to have?

[Denver]

Its not forcing her to do anything with her body though? If she doesn't want to take the pill great, but the guy deserves to know this.

I actually can't believe anyone is defending this :umm2:

Vicky you should know by now if someone stans them then they can do what they like no matter how immoral or illegal

[Denver]

Now we know why she wanted Jamie's dick

[rusticgal]

if i was straight and my wife stopped taking the pill without me knowing then i would respect that decision(if i ever found). I don't want kids never have but not going to force her to do anything with her body.


That's very naive and thoughtless. You are bringing a child into the world..that's a serious decision and should be discussed and the decision mutual...not one sided.

[Northern Monkey]

Ok maybe the condom analogy was not the best:laugh:
What if the man said he'd had the snip but lied and he hadn't and she got preggers?

[Denver]

If you can go to prison for many years for not telling someone you have HIV then surely stealing someones sperm should be a prison-able offence?

[rusticgal]

Ok maybe the condom analogy was not the best:laugh:
What if the man said he'd had the snip but lied and he hadn't and she got preggers?


It's what we call a bastard...:laugh:

[Withano]

Of course its not illegal, she chose to not use contraception, he chose to not use contraception

She did however use deception, which I dont like.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

queen of deceptive pregnancies!

[Denver]

Also if the women lied then she would not be entitled to child maintenance?

[Vicky.]

Of course its not illegal, she chose to not use contraception, he chose to not use contraception

She did however use deception, which I dont like.

It is illegal the other way around though I think

[Denver]

It is illegal the other way around though I think

What happened to equal rights

[Withano]

It is illegal the other way around though I think

Other way round? To both use protection?

[Withano]

Oh for him to deceive?

[LukeB]

Its not forcing her to do anything with her body though? If she doesn't want to take the pill great, but the guy deserves to know this.

I actually can't believe anyone is defending this :umm2:

maybe it's the right thing to tell but some people are different with they do things. I feel a woman has also got rights to do what they want with or without telling.

if she really wanted to trick her boyfriend do you really think she would say this on big brother? they hear and see everything and now her boyfriend will know about it. secrets are never a secret on big brother.

You'd respect her decision to potentially trick you into fathering a child you didn't want to have?

yes,probably won't be happy at first but people have their reasons.

[Vicky.]

Other way round? To both use protection?

If a guy lies about being snipped, or using protection :p

As far as I know anyway..had discussions about this before on another site and I remember being a bit shocked.

[Denver]

maybe it's the right thing to tell but some people are different with they do things. I feel a woman has also got rights to do what they want with or without telling.

if she really wanted to trick her boyfriend do you really think she would say this on big brother? they hear and see everything and now her boyfriend will know about it. secrets are never a secret on big brother.



yes,probably won't be happy at first but people have their reasons.

If a women wants to deceive a man into getting her pregnant they she should have no rights when it comes to child maintenance and stuff like that

[Northern Monkey]

I bet she wouldn't be bragging about it if he hadn't have been happy about it and left her for being a lying loony bitch.

[Lostie!]

maybe it's the right thing to tell but some people are different with they do things. I feel a woman has also got rights to do what they want with or without telling.

I honestly can't grasp that viewpoint. Putting Nicola's specific situation aside, a woman continuing a sexual relationship with a guy who doesn't want children and believes she is on the pill after she's stopped is a terrible thing to do. She doesn't get extra rights to do that simply for being a woman.

yes,probably won't be happy at first but people have their reasons.

There isn't a reason in the world that justifies that.

[Withano]

If a guy lies about being snipped, or using protection :p

As far as I know anyway..had discussions about this before on another site and I remember being a bit shocked.

Yeh, I am against deception from either party, its completely immoral. And if its illegal for the man to deceive and not the woman, (cba to research it, I'll take your words as fact), im completely against that too. Same difference to me.

[rusticgal]

Either way...it's deceitful and an innocent child is the result. They went on to have another and the children are obviously loved...but at the end of the day I wouldn't make it public knowledge and laugh about it..that child will know that it wasn't a two way decision and its in his interest that she shouldn't be bragging about it.

[Beso]

It's what we call a bastard...:laugh:

It's what i call a nicola.

[Vicky.]

I bet she wouldn't be bragging about it if he hadn't have been happy about it and left her for being a lying loony bitch.

Of course not, in that case it would be

'We planned a baby then he ****ed off and left me with it' or
'It was a total accident and I was left holding the baby'

Money please.

Ugh I actually feel so strongly about this I think I need to stop replying as its actually riling me a bit that anyone can think this is even slightly ok.

[Northern Monkey]

Either way...it's deceitful and an innocent child is the result. They went on to have another and the children are obviously loved...but at the end of the day I wouldn't make it public knowledge and laugh about it..that child will know that it wasn't a two way decision and its in his interest that she shouldn't be bragging about it.

That's a good point.It's like telling your kid they were an accident but even worse: 'Mummy tricked Daddy into having you'.Poor kid doesn't need to know that.

[Beso]

maybe it's the right thing to tell but some people are different with they do things. I feel a woman has also got rights to do what they want with or without telling.

if she really wanted to trick her boyfriend do you really think she would say this on big brother? they hear and see everything and now her boyfriend will know about it. secrets are never a secret on big brother.



yes,probably won't be happy at first but people have their reasons.

'If you say it, own it"

Nicolas words, not mine.

[LukeB]

I honestly can't grasp that viewpoint. Putting Nicola's specific situation aside, a woman continuing a sexual relationship with a guy who doesn't want children and believes she is on the pill after she's stopped is a terrible thing to do. She doesn't get extra rights to do that simply for being a woman.

There isn't a reason in the world that justifies that.

We don't actually know if he didn't want kids because he seems happy enough with two kids with Nicola. Since this story was about when they met. I didn't say a woman has extra rights because all genders can do what they want with their body. i don't fully agree with it but i would respect their decision. it's not moral at all and i will never do it ofc but i won't judge anyone over it. (well if they did it for benefits reasons then i will judge)

[Marsh.]

He can have a say but she has rights too.

Of course she has rights, but what's this got to do with it?

She doesn't have a right to pretend to take contraception and deceive her sexual partner anymore than a man does.

[Marsh.]

Since this story was about when they met.

That makes it even worse and almost a form of entrapment.

A couple in a long term marriage is one thing but a new relationship tricking him into pregnancy.

But I imagine it happens a lot with gold digging WAG tramps and horny footballers.

[Lostie!]

We don't actually know if he didn't want kids because he seems happy enough with two kids with Nicola. Since this story was about when they met. I didn't say a woman has extra rights because all genders can do what they want with their body. i don't fully agree with it but i would respect their decision. it's not moral at all and i will never do it ofc but i won't judge anyone over it. (well if they did it for benefits reasons then i will judge)

Which is why I said putting that specific example aside for the moment since my input was based on the issue in general (although if he wanted kids too then what purpose does pretending to be on the pill serve?). It's not simply a matter of a woman doing what she wants with her body, there's so much more to it than that. Doing what you want with your body and attempting to trick a man into impregnating you are two very different things. Any woman who does that absolutely deserves to be judged for it, and that's getting off lightly.

[12bigbrother12]

This thread made me happy to be gay.

[Marsh.]

This thread made me happy to be gay.

Let's make it about having sex without divulging STD's and sexual history so the gays can join in too. :smug:

[jennyjuniper]

This is so wrong. I had a male friend who this happened to. They had three children, she didn't work, so the pressure was all on him to provide for the family and he just didn't see how they could afford another child. She got pregnant anyway by stopping contraception without telling him and so he went and had a vascectomy without telling her!! That fourth child, incidentally is just as much loved as the other three, but it's really about being honest with each other.
If women want an equal marriage, then any major decisions must be made 50/50.

[Beso]

My first girlfriend pretended to be pregnant so i wouldnt finish with her.

I must admit it broke my heart finding out she had lied.

[ebandit]

pheeeew! it all worked out well

of course it was up to her...she would carry the bairn/be a single mother

it would be wrong if she then expected upkeep from her partner

Mark L

[Kazanne]

Vicky you should know by now if someone stans them then they can do what they like no matter how immoral or illegal

Aint that the truth,but no one else can do the same:laugh:

[sampvt]

Just shows what a desperate and manipulative slag she is. This will follow her around like a bad smell and leaves her wide open to some serious trolling now. Daft bitch didnt think this through so well did she. Oh by the way, OF COURSE SHE WAS WRONG.

[Ashley.]

I've seen this all too many times with women. And then they feel victimized and betrayed when the man doesn't wish to stick around... I don't think it's ever right to deceive someone you love in any way, shape or form.

[fitz2k2]

didn't all for the money.typical women

[RichardG]

i couldn't believe she was being so open about it :omgno:

[Brillopad]

I think a woman knows whether a man is wearing a condom or not :conf:
A man would rely on a woman being honest about being on the pill fgs.

Maybe he shouldn't then and take responsibility for his own destiny by putting something on it. I hate it when blokes think contraception is the role of the woman only - the pill is not 100% anyway.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's her body so it's up to her.

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its a despicable thing to do

[Cal.]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6124/6014473035_2f7631f531_b.jpg

[Niamh.]

No it's vile behaviour

[DouglasS]

This is disgusting, and people who think it's okay behaviour have to be deluded, I'm sorry but its true

[Brillopad]

This is disgusting, and people who think it's okay behaviour have to be deluded, I'm sorry but its true

God forbid blokes should be expected to take any responsibility for birth control!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Nope. If you like someone like that it's important to discuss it with them first.

[Niamh.]

God forbid blokes should be expected to take any responsibility for birth control!

Well that's a different argument altogether tbf, yeah sure if it was a one night stand or whatever but if you're in a relationship with someone and your partner has told you that she's taking the pill, you should be able to trust that

[Cherie]

Well that's a different argument altogether tbf, yeah sure if it was a one night stand or whatever but if you're in a relationship with someone and your partner has told you that she's taking the pill, you should be able to trust that



I agree with that but I think she said they had been together for 3 weeks or something, if that is the case he really should have protected himself if he didn't want kids you don't know anyone after 3 weeks

[Brillopad]

Well that's a different argument altogether tbf, yeah sure if it was a one night stand or whatever but if you're in a relationship with someone and your partner has told you that she's taking the pill, you should be able to trust that

Particularly as the pill is not 100% - shouldn't both do the necessary.

[power2thepeople]

We don't actually know if he didn't want kids because he seems happy enough with two kids with Nicola. Since this story was about when they met. I didn't say a woman has extra rights because all genders can do what they want with their body. i don't fully agree with it but i would respect their decision. it's not moral at all and i will never do it ofc but i won't judge anyone over it. (well if they did it for benefits reasons then i will judge)

Bracketed sentence at the end....replace with a new WAG with pound signs in her eyes after a month or so...deciding to bring life into the world making her a more permanent WAG or a hefty child maintenance case and that's my standpoint.

[Beso]

This is disgusting, and people who think it's okay behaviour have to be deluded, I'm sorry but its true

No need to apologise, we are mostly decent people here.:smug:

[Beso]

I wonder how much the gutter **** got paid for the pregnancy pics!

[Niamh.]

Particularly as the pill is not 100% - shouldn't both do the necessary.
Well, the Pill isnt 100% and if she got pregnant because of that 1% then yeah that would be an accident that both are responsible for but that wasnt the case here, she fooled him into thinking she was taking the Pill but she wasnt

[Niamh.]

I agree with that but I think she said they had been together for 3 weeks or something, if that is the case he really should have protected himself if he didn't want kids you don't know anyone after 3 weeks
I thought it was 3 months but maybe i'm wrong

[Brillopad]

Well, the Pill isnt 100% and if she got pregnant because of that 1% then yeah that would be an accident that both are responsible for but that wasnt the case here, she fooled him into thinking she was taking the Pill but she wasnt

Sorry, my point was that he should do his bit to protect himself if he didn't want to be a dad at that point. He shouldn't simply rely on the woman. If he does and it goes pear-shaped, for whatever reason, then he is also to blame. Any bloke daft enough to trust a girlfriend of 3 weeks/3months, especially one like Nicola, who clearly wanted to be a WAG and to grab herself a meal ticket deserves what he gets. It always takes two.

[Beso]

But she did it for his birthday

[jaxie]

It was a betrayal of trust and awful behaviour. She was forcing fatherhood on him and if the relationship hadn't worked he'd have been responsible emotionally and financially for at least 18 years. He had the right to have a say.

[the-gaffer]

I was.a bit taken a back when I heard her say it, I guess she's on a public TV show so it becomes a topic for the public, it's not for me are all but if she's happy and her husband was happy then I find it hard to judge, it's not something I'd ever encourage or advise though, she got very lucky that he took the news exactly like she expected him to.

[Marsh.]

God forbid blokes should be expected to take any responsibility for birth control!

Who said they shouldn't?

We're talking about a woman claiming to be on the pill when she isn't?

[user104658]

If he thought she was on the pill and wanted to be using contraception then, no two ways about it, it's not great. Even worse would be if he had specifically said that he did NOT want kids.

IF he had previously wanted her to come off it / wanted children with her but she had previously said no, then her thinking is more understandable, as she would just have been assuming that he still wanted that and would be excited when she got pregnant.

However it would probably have been better to at least check that he was still on the same page before assuming and going ahead with it...

[Marsh.]

Particularly as the pill is not 100% - shouldn't both do the necessary.

Nothing's 100% so that's neither here nor there.

[Brillopad]

It was a betrayal of trust and awful behaviour. She was forcing fatherhood on him and if the relationship hadn't worked he'd have been responsible emotionally and financially for at least 18 years. He had the right to have a say.

Didn't he have that say when he chose not to protect himself but to rely on a new girlfriend of a few months to be responsible, when he was a well-known footballer with quite a bit of money - when does a bit of common sense come into play.

[Niamh.]

Didn't he have that say when he chose not to protect himself but to rely on a new girlfriend of a few months to be responsible, when he was a well-known footballer with quite a bit of money - when does a bit of common sense come into play.
So he was "asking for it"?

[joeysteele]

And its his right to also know whether he's contributing to making a baby or contraception is being used. :umm2:

I suppose he could ensure he ensures he uses something anyway.
However I say you are right in all you say above.

[user104658]

Nothing's 100% so that's neither here nor there.
Full hysterectomy...

[Marsh.]

Full hysterectomy...

He should do it whilst she's asleep and say "just kidding Nic" when she wakes up.

[Brillopad]

So he was "asking for it"?

He was a fool and like a lot of men he was happy to leave that up to her, but that was pretty stupid when they had only been together a few months especially when he was rich and famous. Tbh if that is not asking for it I don't know what is.

She was wrong to do that but he made it easy for her because he didn't use his brain.

[coffee]

This creeped me out. Some people you just can't trust. Both parties should use protection if they care that much, though lmfao