Davina McCall was not soft on Jade Goody, just because they share the same agent!

[nodisharmony]

Davina McCall is in the Daily Mirror and makes it very clear that she was not soft on Jade Goody, just because they share the same agent.

Davina had no idea that it got so bad!

Here is the link to the Daily Mirror story 21/03/07

and the article below.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/tv/realitytv/tm_method=full%26objectid=18784525%26siteid=89520-name_page.html




BROTHER BOTHER
21/03/2007
DAVINA, who is braced for her sex show to spark controversy, still can't believe the furore that followed the Jade Goody race row in the Celebrity Big Brother house.

"I've no idea how it got to be such an international issue," she says. "We've had bad rows in the house before, the Pete Burns and Traci Bingham one was horrific, but there wasn't the same outcry."

And she dismisses as "ludicrous" the charge that she was "soft" on Jade because they share an agent, saying: "I was as shocked by her behaviour as everyone else. I wanted to pull her up about it - and I did. I wanted the girls to be allowed to answer the accusations being thrown at them. And I was worried about the reaction they'd face leaving the house."

[Psylocke]

Pete Vs Traci should have been addressed too,i agree with that

[spacebandit]

The softest interviews she got were by other clients of John Noel.

Co-incidence or not ?

Of course not.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Pete Vs Traci should have been addressed too,i agree with that

The Pete vs Traci incident wasn't so serious, as it was an argument on a reality show, which is made famous by arguments.

The significant difference, was, the "Race" issue.

If all the housemates in CBB Jan. were all white or all Indian

This never would have happened.
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Davina McCall had to do the interview with Jade Goody in very strange circumstances.

I am sure that she wanted it to be much different than this.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
The softest interviews she got were by other clients of John Noel.

Co-incidence or not ?

Of course not.

Can't work out your paranoia?? :conf::conf:

[Ruth]

Spacebandit is right. Of course Davina is going to say that it's rubbish. It would take a very naive person to believe Davina.

The Pete Burns/Traci Bingham issue should have been addressed.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Spacebandit is right. Of course Davina is going to say that it's rubbish. It would take a very naive person to believe Davina.

The Pete Burns/Traci Bingham issue should have been addressed.

Your modesty speaks volumes, Ruth.

Glad that you can agree with the Spacebandit and also understand what Davina McCall is thinking.

I am not psychic actually, but I am aware that Big Brother is very happy with Davina and she actually has been invited back to do Big Brother 8.

But, if you feel that she is part of a corrupt society?

Write a lovely letter to Endemol and tell them what they are missing.

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I would personally say, that Davina McCall is not a corrupt celebrity presenter. She does a good job and naturally wouldn't want to have to deal with Jade Goody, without an audience watching.

She was told that she had to do this, as it was a safer option and she did what she could in those circumstances.

If you had prefered her to be more strict with Jade Goody, then you were disappointed. She wasn't. Get over it!!

Of course, you can always say that people are Naive, to say this.

WhooPs!!! you just did :whistle::whistle:

nodisharmony :angel:

[Ruth]

:rolleyes::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[Ruth]

You're not psychic, yet you claim to be able to know exactly what's going on Jade's head.

Get over it yourself.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


The significant difference, was, the "Race" issue.

If all the housemates in CBB Jan. were all white or all Indian

This never would have happened.
There you go again!!!!! You had to bring up 'race'.

This is a fairly obvious train of thought, but it's completely beside the point. I think I know what you're trying to say but if I post it, you'll certainly deny it. So, explain why you think this is a significant point.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony


The significant difference, was, the "Race" issue.

If all the housemates in CBB Jan. were all white or all Indian

This never would have happened.
There you go again!!!!! You had to bring up 'race'.

This is a fairly obvious train of thought, but it's completely beside the point. I think I know what you're trying to say but if I post it, you'll certainly deny it. So, explain why you think this is a significant point.

Errr, Let me think :conf2::conf2::conf2::conf2:

Oh yes, Errrr, Gordon Brown in India.

All the Newspapers & the TV News at the time.

all the evidence and everything said and the many topics on this forum with (Race) in the title, I could go on & on, but I don't need to GiRTh, do I :cloud:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
You're not psychic, yet you claim to be able to know exactly what's going on Jade's head.

Get over it yourself.

A typical response...:pat:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by GiRTh
There you go again!!!!! You had to bring up 'race'.

This is a fairly obvious train of thought, but it's completely beside the point. I think I know what you're trying to say but if I post it, you'll certainly deny it. So, explain why you think this is a significant point.

Errr, Let me think :conf2::conf2::conf2::conf2:

Oh yes, Errrr, Gordon Brown in India.

All the Newspapers & the TV News at the time.

all the evidence and everything said and the many topics on this forum with (Race) in the title, I could go on & on, but I don't need to GiRTh, do I :cloud: You've failed to grasp the point, again. The question is - Why do you think it is relevant to state that if the house was made up of all white or Indian people then the 'race' issue would never have happened.

For an educated person you don't catch on too quickly.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by GiRTh
There you go again!!!!! You had to bring up 'race'.

This is a fairly obvious train of thought, but it's completely beside the point. I think I know what you're trying to say but if I post it, you'll certainly deny it. So, explain why you think this is a significant point.

Errr, Let me think :conf2::conf2::conf2::conf2:

Oh yes, Errrr, Gordon Brown in India.

All the Newspapers & the TV News at the time.

all the evidence and everything said and the many topics on this forum with (Race) in the title, I could go on & on, but I don't need to GiRTh, do I :cloud: You've failed to grasp the point, again. The question is - Why do you think it is relevant to state that if the house was made up of all white or Indian people then the 'race' issue would never have happened.

For an educated person you don't catch on too quickly.

Because GiRTh, if they were all the same, there could be no possible racism.

Is that clear enough for you?

If an Indian woman says the word "poppodom" to another Indian woman, would you expect a furore?

If an English man says "White fool" to another English man, would you expect a furore?

Is that short and sweet enough for you GiRTh?

A simple answer to an even simplier minded

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
You've failed to grasp the point, again. The question is - Why do you think it is relevant to state that if the house was made up of all white or Indian people then the 'race' issue would never have happened.

For an educated person you don't catch on too quickly.

Because GiRTh, if they were all the same, there could be no possible racism.

Is that clear enough for you?

If an Indian woman says the word "poppodom" to another Indian woman, would you expect a furore?

If an English man says "White fool" to another English man, would you expect a furore?

Is that short and sweet enough for you GiRTh?

A simple answer to an even simplier minded [/quote]It's insult time is it? Take a piece of advice, if you want to call someone simpler, at least spell it correctly.

My post was - and this is what I mean about you not catching on very quickly - why do you bring up such an obvious train of thought. Read it again and you'll see that I'm questioning why you're stating the obvious.

So, answer the question - Why are you stating the obvious and why do you continually bring up the subject of race and treat it in a dismissive manner.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony
You've failed to grasp the point, again. The question is - Why do you think it is relevant to state that if the house was made up of all white or Indian people then the 'race' issue would never have happened.

For an educated person you don't catch on too quickly.

Because GiRTh, if they were all the same, there could be no possible racism.

Is that clear enough for you?

If an Indian woman says the word "poppodom" to another Indian woman, would you expect a furore?

If an English man says "White fool" to another English man, would you expect a furore?

Is that short and sweet enough for you GiRTh?

A simple answer to an even simplier minded It's insult time is it? Take a piece of advice, if you want to call someone simpler, at least spell it correctly.

My post was - and this is what I mean about you not catching on very quickly - why do you bring up such an obvious train of thought. Read it again and you'll see that I'm questioning why you're stating the obvious.

So, answer the question - Why are you stating the obvious and why do you continually bring up the subject of race and treat it in a dismissive manner. [/quote]

Regarding your comment:- "It's insult time is it?"

I would very much agree, that when it comes to insults against me, that you are in the top three!

I have been quite tactful and quite un-insulting in return generally. Check all your past posts for evidence of that.

I don't want to be blamed for inaccuracies, do I?
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If I choose to bring up "Race", it is because, this is why the three girls have been labelled racists by many people.

I am on here to defend them.

I am up against the prosecution and there are many of them, aren't there GiRTh.

I won't waffle on this occasion

[Mrluvaluva]

:sleep:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Regarding your comment:- "It's insult time is it?"

I would very much agree, that when it comes to insults against me, that you are in the top three!

I have been quite tactful and quite un-insulting in return generally. Check all your past posts for evidence of that.

I don't want to be blamed for inaccuracies, do I?I've twice called you racist on the forum because i believe you are. You've said nothing to change my thought but you keep bringing up the subject of race. When I call you on it - as I'm entitled to do - you accuse me of either over reacting or seeing things that aren't there. If they weren't there I wouldn't see them.

If I choose to bring up "Race", it is because, this is why the three girls have been labelled racists by many people.

I am on here to defend them.

I am up against the prosecution and there are many of them, aren't there GiRTh.

I won't waffle on this occasion The girls were also accused of bullying but you don't mention that anywhere near as much as you mention race. Are you obsessed with race? Why is it so important for you to remind us that if the people were of the same race there would not have been such a fuss?

[Kyoushu]

I think davina mccall was very strict with jade. she wasnt friendly atall when they did the interview.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Kyoushu
I think davina mccall was very strict with jade. she wasnt friendly atall when they did the interview. You're kidding right. OMG we've got another one.

Davinas interview was a joke. She asked her questions that Jade clearly had pre planned responses to.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Kyoushu
I think davina mccall was very strict with jade. she wasnt friendly atall when they did the interview.

You can come here under your other username you know. You don't have to set up a new account.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by nodisharmony

Regarding your comment:- "It's insult time is it?"

I would very much agree, that when it comes to insults against me, that you are in the top three!

I have been quite tactful and quite un-insulting in return generally. Check all your past posts for evidence of that.

I don't want to be blamed for inaccuracies, do I?I've twice called you racist on the forum because i believe you are. You've said nothing to change my thought but you keep bringing up the subject of race. When I call you on it - as I'm entitled to do - you accuse me of either over reacting or seeing things that aren't there. If they weren't there I wouldn't see them.

If I choose to bring up "Race", it is because, this is why the three girls have been labelled racists by many people.

I am on here to defend them.

I am up against the prosecution and there are many of them, aren't there GiRTh.

I won't waffle on this occasion The girls were also accused of bullying but you don't mention that anywhere near as much as you mention race. Are you obsessed with race? Why is it so important for you to remind us that if the people were of the same race there would not have been such a fuss?

When you call Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd & Jo O'Meara racist people, it is easy for anyone to, "Just Say It".

The same applies to anyone that you assume is a racist person.

Sadly, there is more to racism than meets the eye.

Very racist, Part-Time racist, Accidental racism & racist jokes.

Then you need to look at evidence.

The evidence which was on the shown footage on Big Brother is what the CPS used to come to their decision.

We have been over this before, GiRTh

The CPS decision is the right decision.
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I have mentioned "bullying" many times also.

Spend some time looking through old posts on other topics. But there is some detail to trawl through. Plenty of truths there GiRTh.

In regard to your last question, which I shall include in this paragraph:-

Q) (Why is it so important for you to remind us that if the people were of the same race there would not have been such a fuss? )

A) Because I chose to on that occasion.
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Back to the topic, Davina McCall....

Don't assume that she is siding or giving Jade Goody any worse or better treatment than Jo or Danielle.

Davina wants to remain impartial and do her job properly, which she does and wonderfully too.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

When you call Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd & Jo O'Meara racist people, it is easy for anyone to, "Just Say It".

The same applies to anyone that you assume is a racist person.

Sadly, there is more to racism than meets the eye.Waffle. And you were doing so well.

Very racist, Part-Time racist, Accidental racism & racist jokes. Define each of these as you see them. I'm intrigued to hear this.

Then you need to look at evidence.

The evidence which was on the shown footage on Big Brother is what the CPS used to come to their decision.

We have been over this before, GiRTh

The CPS decision is the right decision. It was the right decision in terms of the law. However, it only means that they cannot PROVE that racism took place. it's very hard to prove and to someone like you I bet if the were burning crosses and performing lynchings, you'd still not be convinced.

I have mentioned "bullying" many times also.

Spend some time looking through old posts on other topics. But there is some detail to trawl through. Plenty of truths there GiRTh. You know I'm not going to trawl through all you waffle. My life, unlike yours, doesn't revolve around 'Jade Goody'.

In regard to your last question, which I shall include in this paragraph:-

Q) (Why is it so important for you to remind us that if the people were of the same race there would not have been such a fuss? )

A) Because I chose to on that occasion. Not a satisfactory answer. Would you like another go?

Back to the topic, Davina McCall....

Don't assume that she is siding or giving Jade Goody any worse or better treatment than Jo or Danielle.

Davina wants to remain impartial and do her job properly, which she does and wonderfully too. She did seem to favour Jade and due to the fact that they are agent stable mates, we can only speculate.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Very racist, Part-Time racist, Accidental racism & racist jokes.




Lol. I just called someone a ****, but they forgave me as I explained it was "accidental racism" and then everything was fine. What planet are you on?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Kyoushu
I think davina mccall was very strict with jade. she wasnt friendly atall when they did the interview.

Davina McCall does a good job and was strict with Jade Goody, but was also not over-doing it either.

That is very fair to the housemates.

Anyway, a few need further convincing, so here is the complete evidence.
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Click on the four videos below:-
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(Jade's Eviction from the BB house)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0CG5_UfPv4
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(Davina interviews Jade Goody "Part 1")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY8V_oQmR8I
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(Davina interviews Jade Goody "Part 2")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmclwCMYg2Q
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(Davina tells why & her opinion of it all)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvTCVVT-iY

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Now we can look again & make a real judgement call...

[GiRTh]

I've already seen them thanks. The fact remains she was much harder on Jo. She was interrupting Jo and instructing her to answer the question, she didn't do that with Jade. Or maybe she did but they just didn't show it. See I'm starting to think like you.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Ruth
You're not psychic, yet you claim to be able to know exactly what's going on Jade's head.

Get over it yourself.

A typical response...:pat:

Whaaaaat? You tell me to get over it. I'm just responding in your own language.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Very racist, Part-Time racist, Accidental racism & racist jokes.




Lol. I just called someone a pa**, but they forgave me as I explained it was "accidental racism" and then everything was fine. What planet are you on?

Same planet as you!

Calm down and stay on topic :nono:

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I shall cover it very quickly, just for you BAZG
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It is easy to slip up on words and comments which may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

I use Danielle Lloyd's comment, "I wished she'd ******* o** home", (or words to that effect)

Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else.

It could be said, that she accidentally went in that area? Without realising?? But it was offensive, that's all.. Not racist. but could be construed that way, accidentally!!
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Davina McCall's treatment of all three girls can't be too harsh, as there was only thousands of complaints and that was it.

No investigation at that point!

Get the point, BAZG? No riddles in this post..

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
It is easy to slip up on words and comments which may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

I use Danielle Lloyd's comment, "I wished she'd ******* o** home", (or words to that effect)

Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else.

How do you know she was saying something else? Maybe all of the people who thought she was being racist were right.

It could be said, that she accidentally went in that area? Without realising?? But it was offensive, that's all.. Not racist. but could be construed that way, accidentally!!

That could be said. It could also be said that she was being racist.

Davina McCall's treatment of all three girls can't be too harsh, as there was only thousands of complaints and that was it.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! 40,000 complaints - something like that? And you don't think that warranted a bit of harsh questioning?

No riddles in this post..

Most of your posts are completely made up of riddles and waffle. I have also noticed that you start out being friendly and polite and as soon as someone challenges you, you become rude.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Very racist, Part-Time racist, Accidental racism & racist jokes.




Lol. I just called someone a pa**, but they forgave me as I explained it was "accidental racism" and then everything was fine. What planet are you on?

Same planet as you!

Calm down and stay on topic :nono:

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I shall cover it very quickly, just for you BAZG
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It is easy to slip up on words and comments which may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

I use Danielle Lloyd's comment, "I wished she'd ******* o** home", (or words to that effect)

Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else.

It could be said, that she accidentally went in that area? Without realising?? But it was offensive, that's all.. Not racist. but could be construed that way, accidentally!!
________________________________________

Davina McCall's treatment of all three girls can't be too harsh, as there was only thousands of complaints and that was it.

No investigation at that point!

Get the point, BAZG? No riddles in this post..


There is no such thing as a part time racist.
There is no such thing as accidental racism.
There is no getting through to you

Agreed!

If you are not a racist, you do not have racist thoughts at the back of your head that come out "accidently".

You say "Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else." You are not Danielle. You do not know her. So you cannot say this.

And mate, we certainly are not on the same planet. We're all on Pluto. Where are you?

And don't tell me to stay on topic. Are you a mod? I am on topic, because you bought the subject up.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
It is easy to slip up on words and comments which may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

I use Danielle Lloyd's comment, "I wished she'd ******* o** home", (or words to that effect)

Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else.

How do you know she was saying something else? Maybe all of the people who thought she was being racist were right.

It could be said, that she accidentally went in that area? Without realising?? But it was offensive, that's all.. Not racist. but could be construed that way, accidentally!!

That could be said. It could also be said that she was being racist.

Davina McCall's treatment of all three girls can't be too harsh, as there was only thousands of complaints and that was it.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! 40,000 complaints - something like that? And you don't think that warranted a bit of harsh questioning?

No riddles in this post..

Most of your posts are completely made up of riddles and waffle. I have also noticed that you start out being friendly and polite and as soon as someone challenges you, you become rude.

Danielle Lloyd, was going out with Teddy Sheringham.

He is a football player who integrates with football players of all races and colour.

Danielle will of course, have friends, acquaintances & associates who also are of different colour and race.

I would say that whatever Danielle, Jo & Jade Goody said was more accidental or provoked and rightly said by the CPS, just offensive. That's very clear & consise Ruth..
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I said thousands of complaints. So that covers that question.

Davina does her job and is not there to be nasty to any housemate, just because of a furore which Davina has stated recently that she couldn't understand?

Pete Burns was also bad, but no racism accusations, you see.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Danielle Lloyd, was going out with Teddy Sheringham.

He is a football player who integrates with football players of all races and colour.

Yes. And your point is?

I would say that whatever Danielle, Jo & Jade Goody said was more accidental or provoked and rightly said by the CPS, just offensive. That's very clear & consise Ruth..

Right. Let's make this clear. THE CPS DID NOT PROCEED WITH THE CASE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMPLAINANT. NOT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CRIME. IF SOMEONE IS ASSAULTED, BUT DOES NOT REPORT IT, DOES THAT MEAN THEY WERE NOT REALLY ASSAULTED.

NOT GUILTY DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN INNOCENT.

Is that clear and consise enough for you?

I said thousands of complaints. So that covers that question.

No, it doesn't. I asked if you thought that the fact that 40,000 people complained was not enough to warrant some harsh questioning. Once again, you have completely avoided the issue.

Oh - and regarding Pete Burns...

Pete Burns was vile towards Traci Bingham. But he did not make any racist comments. So that is why there was no question of racism.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

Very racist, Part-Time racist, Accidental racism & racist jokes.




Lol. I just called someone a pa**, but they forgave me as I explained it was "accidental racism" and then everything was fine. What planet are you on?

Same planet as you!

Calm down and stay on topic :nono:

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I shall cover it very quickly, just for you BAZG
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It is easy to slip up on words and comments which may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

I use Danielle Lloyd's comment, "I wished she'd ******* o** home", (or words to that effect)

Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else.

It could be said, that she accidentally went in that area? Without realising?? But it was offensive, that's all.. Not racist. but could be construed that way, accidentally!!
________________________________________

Davina McCall's treatment of all three girls can't be too harsh, as there was only thousands of complaints and that was it.

No investigation at that point!

Get the point, BAZG? No riddles in this post..


There is no such thing as a part time racist.
There is no such thing as accidental racism.
There is no getting through to you

Agreed!

If you are not a racist, you do not have racist thoughts at the back of your head that come out "accidently".

You say "Many would assume that Danielle was being racist? But, she was actually saying something else." You are not Danielle. You do not know her. So you cannot say this.

And mate, we certainly are not on the same planet. We're all on Pluto. Where are you?

And don't tell me to stay on topic. Are you a mod? I am on topic, because you bought the subject up.

The first three:- "there's no this, there's no that" is naturally your opinion and other clouded opinions who actually felt that the girl's are just racist people and that is it.

Not true, I'm afraid!!
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When I say the word, "Accidental", it doesn't have to be "Racial", it can also mean, "Offensive".

The words and sentances were offensive, hence the CPS's conclusion to the whole episode.

However, many were sounding like they were "racial-over-toned", that is where we find the word (construed)

People think things like this, as editing can make it look worse and paint a much less-prettier-picture of the events.

But, accidents can happen and if something was said, appologies follow and Jade Goody was very sorry, which we all saw.

Even Davina would have seen all of this and will have her own view.
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I am not on Pluto. It in uninhabitable.

Probably a dream, I'll forgive you on this occasion.


nodisharmony :angel:

[GiRTh]

I'm still waiting for a the definitions - Very racist, part time racist, accidental racism, racist joke. You can't make ridiculous statements of ignorance then run away. Answer me, nodisharmony.

[Mrluvaluva]

You can now discuss on the new thread!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Danielle Lloyd, was going out with Teddy Sheringham.

He is a football player who integrates with football players of all races and colour.

Yes. And your point is?

I would say that whatever Danielle, Jo & Jade Goody said was more accidental or provoked and rightly said by the CPS, just offensive. That's very clear & consise Ruth..

Right. Let's make this clear. THE CPS DID NOT PROCEED WITH THE CASE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMPLAINANT. NOT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CRIME. IF SOMEONE IS ASSAULTED, BUT DOES NOT REPORT IT, DOES THAT MEAN THEY WERE NOT REALLY ASSAULTED.

NOT GUILTY DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN INNOCENT.

Is that clear and consise enough for you?

I said thousands of complaints. So that covers that question.

No, it doesn't. I asked if you thought that the fact that 40,000 people complained was not enough to warrant some harsh questioning. Once again, you have completely avoided the issue.

Oh - and regarding Pete Burns...

Pete Burns was vile towards Traci Bingham. But he did not make any racist comments. So that is why there was no question of racism.

I said that Danielle is going out with Teddy Sheringham and knows a lot of different races and colour.

My point being Ruth, that, if she chose to be racial, it is a bad judgement call.

It is better to assume that she just didn't like Shilpa, just like Jo O'Meara and of course "The girl on everybody's mind" Jade Goody..

It is accidental offensive remarks, labelled by thousands as perhaps something worse, like racial-over-tones.

Danielle is very unlikely to think colour & race in offensive remarks, when it is natural to understand that Teddy would be very upset.

I know that many footballers were very upset.
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Excusing the Capital Letter's Ruth :nono:

I understand what you mean, when it comes to law and complainants.

However, when people say there is racist comments being aired on a reality show, the police decided to get involved!

If nobody complained, like you apparently say?

Then, there was no reason for the police to get involved, or even the CPS.

They should have left it instead. Agreed!
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I didn't avoid the question Ruth :spin2:

I just said that Davina McCall interviewed Jade Goody and remained impartial and also was strict, but didn't over-do it.

I know that many think that she should have gone over the top and also, many people have accused Davina of corruption, as she has the same Advisors as Jade Goody.

This is more rubbish, that suggests that the lovely Davina would treat Jade Goody different, just because of this, regardless of the quantity of complaints.

People always complain about stuff, you know that!!
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I know that there was no racism between Tracy & Pete.

Skin-colour usually makes a big difference.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I know that there was no racism between Tracy & Pete.

Skin-colour usually makes a big difference. What do you mean by this? You see, I wouldn't find racial overtones/undertones if they weren't there. You need to explain this comment.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
You can now discuss on the new thread!

What new thread BAZG?

[Sunny_01]

in serious debates section

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I'm still waiting for a the definitions - Very racist, part time racist, accidental racism, racist joke. You can't make ridiculous statements of ignorance then run away. Answer me, nodisharmony.

Okay GiRTh, as you ask the question and Davina has been accused of being soft on Jade Goody, then I shall give the definitions of those quotes:-
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(Very Racist) This means that you judge people by the colour of their skin or their ethnic background or say definite racist comments where there is no doubt in anyones mind that they are indeed racist words.

This wasn't the case with CBB Jan.
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(Part-Time Racist) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, assaults you or says a racist comment to you or attacks you personally in words and in that moment of rage, you may something which brings race into the equasion

Maybe one or two words in that situation. But generally, you treat everybody equal.

It was said, just to hurt that person in revenge of what they first did to you.

Tit-for-tat, but petty really.

This wasn't the case with CBB Jan.
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(Accidental Racist/offensive words or comments) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, annoys you in some way, accidently, something may come out of your mouth, (Jade, Jo and Danielle) for example. Which to some people may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

It is accidental and an easy trap to fall into.

This is what happened in CBB Jan.
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(Racist jokes) This is what comedians call humour. I don't need to elaborate much on this point, as I am not insulting your intelligence.
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Okay GiRTh, I did what you asked and I hope you understand where I am coming from?

In such a hostile environment as this, I am sure someone will pick holes in these definitions in a matter of moments.

But this is my view on the definitions and that is that.


nodisharmony :angel:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
in serious debates section

I have just posted it on GiRTh's request,

Sadly, I just caught your post too late.

sorry, Sunny..

nodisharmony :angel:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
You can now discuss on the new thread!

What new thread BAZG?


"Accidental racism and part time racists"

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
You can now discuss on the new thread!

What new thread BAZG?


"Accidental racism and part time racists"

I didn't see it before BAZG

So, I have stuck it on this thread, two posts up this one.

Have you seen it?

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

(Part-Time Racist) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, assaults you or says a racist comment to you or attacks you personally in words and in that moment of rage, you may something which brings race into the equasion



If somebody called me a "white honky", I would not retaliate in such a way. It would not come into my mind. If I did, then I would say I was racist. I would not describe myself as a "part-time racist". It has actually happened before, and I have just laughed. To retaliate and be just as bad as them, was not in my mind.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

(Part-Time Racist) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, assaults you or says a racist comment to you or attacks you personally in words and in that moment of rage, you may something which brings race into the equasion



If somebody called me a "white honky", I would not retaliate in such a way. It would not come into my mind. If I did, then I would say I was racist. I would not describe myself as a "part-time racist". It has actually happened before, and I have just laughed. To retaliate and be just as bad as them, was not in my mind.

I agree with you totally BAZG

I am not stupid.

But my job which I do, "apart from supporting the girls, that is"

is, meeting plenty of people, of all different colours and races, white, black, brown, whatever...

I never judge people by the colour of skin or origin, people are just people to me and that is the truth.

I hate racism too, but I am a realist and know that it does exist. But I also hate people when they scrutinize so much into things and I agree with Davina, when she said that she hopes that Big Brother 8 doesn't get scrutinized that way.

The people I meet, are just people and people are not perfect and do say racist words, now and again. I see it, I hear it and I know it exists.

What else is there to do but accept that people do say stuff.

How I choose to label it, is just my definition and that's all.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Sunny_01
in serious debates section

I have just posted it on GiRTh's request,

Sadly, I just caught your post too late.

sorry, Sunny..

nodisharmony :angel:

No worries :pat:

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
I said that Danielle is going out with Teddy Sheringham and knows a lot of different races and colour.

My point being Ruth, that, if she chose to be racial, it is a bad judgement call.

Well I don't think anybody would disagree with you about it being a bad judgement call. But people do make bad judgement calls all the time.

It is better to assume that she just didn't like Shilpa, just like Jo O'Meara and of course "The girl on everybody's mind" Jade Goody..

NO - it's better to look at the footage available, rather than just make up a scenario that suits what you think.

It is accidental offensive remarks, labelled by thousands as perhaps something worse, like racial-over-tones.

How do you know this?

Danielle is very unlikely to think colour & race in offensive remarks, when it is natural to understand that Teddy would be very upset.

As you said yourself on another thread - only Danielle, Jo and Jade know what they are thinking. So you have no basis for your statement.

I know that many footballers were very upset.

Well yes. Which would suggest that they had something to be upset about.

I just said that Davina McCall interviewed Jade Goody and remained impartial and also was strict, but didn't over-do it.

In your opinion. But plenty of people think that she went easy on Jade.

I know that many think that she should have gone over the top and also, many people have accused Davina of corruption, as she has the same Advisors as Jade Goody.

This is more rubbish, that suggests that the lovely Davina would treat Jade Goody different, just because of this, regardless of the quantity of complaints.

Davina does what she is told. And if you watch Jade's interview and Jo's interview, you can see that she quite clearly did treat them very differently.

I know that there was no racism between Tracy & Pete.

Don't get me wrong - I thought the way Pete behaved towards Traci was awful. But as you say, there was no question of racism - he didn't make any racist remarks - so the issue wasn't raised. But the girls in this years CBB did make racist remarks.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

I also hate people when they scrutinize so much into things and I agree with Davina, when she said that she hopes that Big Brother 8 doesn't get scrutinized that way.




Do you hate me nodis? Am I over scrutinizing things? Should we just leave issues alone and hope they will go away? How far should we go? Should we all leave things to rest now? Do you think you are also guilty of over scrutinizing? Questions. Questions.

[Dr43%er]

I hate racism too,


Fookin hill hairy arse.

Nodis, would you..... hang on, I'll ask in the new thread.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

I also hate people when they scrutinize so much into things and I agree with Davina, when she said that she hopes that Big Brother 8 doesn't get scrutinized that way.




Do you hate me nodis? Am I over scrutinizing things? Should we just leave issues alone and hope they will go away? How far should we go? Should we all leave things to rest now? Do you think you are also guilty of over scrutinizing? Questions. Questions.

I may hate you, if you want me to? There again, as I am so polite, a truthful answer to someone who seemed okay would be a wrong decision to make.

You are over-scrutinizing things, this was what Davina McCall is concerned about and is also concerned that it could spoil Big Brother 8

The main point that Davina is on about, is, if there are arguments between two different races of people, then, it would be better to look at it as just an argument and nothing more than that.

I don't over-scrutize, when it comes to a member debating the racial angle from the CBB Jan. furore.

You can debate it and feel safe about talking about it without being accused of being a racist yourself. That is where the over-scrutiny takes place, where it shouldn't.

nodisharmony :angel:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
I said that Danielle is going out with Teddy Sheringham and knows a lot of different races and colour.

My point being Ruth, that, if she chose to be racial, it is a bad judgement call.

Well I don't think anybody would disagree with you about it being a bad judgement call. But people do make bad judgement calls all the time.

It is better to assume that she just didn't like Shilpa, just like Jo O'Meara and of course "The girl on everybody's mind" Jade Goody..

NO - it's better to look at the footage available, rather than just make up a scenario that suits what you think.

It is accidental offensive remarks, labelled by thousands as perhaps something worse, like racial-over-tones.

How do you know this?

Danielle is very unlikely to think colour & race in offensive remarks, when it is natural to understand that Teddy would be very upset.

As you said yourself on another thread - only Danielle, Jo and Jade know what they are thinking. So you have no basis for your statement.

I know that many footballers were very upset.

Well yes. Which would suggest that they had something to be upset about.

I just said that Davina McCall interviewed Jade Goody and remained impartial and also was strict, but didn't over-do it.

In your opinion. But plenty of people think that she went easy on Jade.

I know that many think that she should have gone over the top and also, many people have accused Davina of corruption, as she has the same Advisors as Jade Goody.

This is more rubbish, that suggests that the lovely Davina would treat Jade Goody different, just because of this, regardless of the quantity of complaints.

Davina does what she is told. And if you watch Jade's interview and Jo's interview, you can see that she quite clearly did treat them very differently.

I know that there was no racism between Tracy & Pete.

Don't get me wrong - I thought the way Pete behaved towards Traci was awful. But as you say, there was no question of racism - he didn't make any racist remarks - so the issue wasn't raised. But the girls in this years CBB did make racist remarks.

Q&A Ruth vs nodisharmony

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*quote*Well I don't think anybody would disagree with you about it being a bad judgement call. But people do make bad judgement calls all the time.*quote*

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answer:- I know this and when mistakes get made, it can take time for people who can see silly slip-up's like this on CBB Jan. and get to realise this and forgive and forget.

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*quote*NO - it's better to look at the footage available, rather than just make up a scenario that suits what you think.*quote*

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answer:- I have looked very much at the footage that was shown Ruth. It is not so easy to be so sure.

We can only assume that this disagreement came about, by what we actually saw.

Being patronised by someone can be very annoying.

Have I been patronising?

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*quote*How do you know this?*quote*

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answer:- The first thing you need to understand is "motive"

Why would any of these three girls ever be racist people.

We have had a very good look at each of them and over the time, we have learnt quite a bit about each and every one of them.

Jo O'Meara pointed out very clearly that she has friends and more that are of different skin colour and race and it made no difference to her that Shilpa was an Indian woman, when the arguments and offensive remarks came out.

Jade Goody is also very much the same and has met many people in her life, who are very much ethnic, etc..

Danielle Lloyd knows full well that her boyfriend Teddy Sheringham is mixing with all types and she wouldn't want to cause trouble naturally.

Whether Danielle has met and intergrated with people of all types in her life, naturally.

First Ruth, find the motive which makes them fit into the "racists" category which you choose to place them in.

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*quote*As you said yourself on another thread - only Danielle, Jo and Jade know what they are thinking. So you have no basis for your statement.*quote*

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answer:- I know they only know what they are thinking! That is the way it is for everyone.

But how does the CID department in a police station come to their conclusions, if they thought like that.

Getting into someones mind is impossible.

How many liars are out there?

Jade, Jo & Danielle have their own minds and we have some evidence and Endemol have it all.

Like you said Ruth, the CPS couldn't make a case out of this. They only had the shown footage.

A police officer or a detective can get a warrant to search a premisis or even confiscate evidence or possible evidence.

So, you say that this CBB Jan. incident is not that serious?

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*quote*Well yes. Which would suggest that they had something to be upset about.*quote*

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answer:- Footballers got upset with Teddy over Danielle, as the shown footage appeared very bad and Teddy's involvement with Danielle is obviously going to upset some.

This is understandable

Oh Yes! Teddy took her back quick enough!

So maybe it was Danielle's looks that clouded his views?

Or, he told his mates and football friends, that he was going to pay her back by cheating on her and in the meantime, using her as a sex-object??

These are only speculations of course Ruth?

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*quote*In your opinion. But plenty of people think that she went easy on Jade.*quote*

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answer:- Davina McCall has never had to deal with this kind of situation before in Big Brother.

Are you saying that she is an expert at being strict with a housemate?

She might like Jade Goody?

They do actually talk, you know!

Big Brother and Reality shows don't rule any of these housemates world's you know.

Davina McCall does a great job with Big Brother & CBB and I am sick of people saying that she is a corrupt presenter or a puppet who will do anything that she is told to do.

Davina is quite wealthy and quite in demand as a presenter.

If you didn't like her treatment of Jade Goody and you thought she got a good deal, then did you see the Dermot interview?

He wasn't over-harsh either!

Fiona Phillips wasn't so harsh with Jo O'Meara either.

Maybe they saw the unfairity of it all too and the badly edited show, which made it appear much worse.

LISTEN to Davina and try to understand what she says in that article before jumping to conclusions.

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*quote*Davina does what she is told. And if you watch Jade's interview and Jo's interview, you can see that she quite clearly did treat them very differently*quote*

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answer:- I have answered most of that above, however, talking of her harshness of Jo O'Meara.

Perhaps Davina didn't like Jo O'Meara picking on Dirk Benedict, straight after Jade left the house?

Oh yes, they all started on Dirk after Jo left. ALL Ruth, ALL..

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*quote*Don't get me wrong - I thought the way Pete behaved towards Traci was awful. But as you say, there was no question of racism - he didn't make any racist remarks - so the issue wasn't raised.*quote*

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answer:- Exactly Ruth, Exactly. No race was ever raised!

So, that means it is not serious to bully, but to say words or comments which may appear to some as having "racial-over-tones" is a million times worse?

What cobblers.

There is serious injustice here and also, unfairity beyond belief.

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*quote*But the girls in this years CBB did make racist remarks*quote*

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answer:- No, offensive words and comments

as above..ditto

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nodisharmony :angel:

[Bells]

Jesus Christ.

[spacebandit]

On a bike with bells on

[tinkerbell]

It got so boring here after nodisharmony came :rolleyes:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
It got so boring here after nodisharmony came :rolleyes:

Care to comment on Davina?

To stop things from getting boring, that is?


nodisharmony :angel:

[Mrluvaluva]

And you aint boring are you "dis"?

[lily.]

I hope you aren't dissing-dis. We can't have that. No dissing will be allowed. Don't diss the-dis.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
And you aint boring are you "dis"?

Not at all.

Hey BAZG, your getting very lazy!!

nodisharmony :angel:

[Mrluvaluva]

Not at all, You wanna play?

[Ruth]

These threads are going round and round in circles and getting frankly boring. I've got better things to do with my time than argue with someone who blindly refuses to take any notice of anything anyone says.

I would say one thing though about the Pete and Traci situation from last year, because nodisharmony has suggested that I don't think bullying is a serious issue unless racism is involved. That's absolute rubbish. I thought Pete was vile to Traci and more should have said about it. But there was no racism involved. I hope that clears things up.

Now - nodisharmony has managed to single handedly turn this forum where there was once plenty of lively chat and talk about all sorts of different subjects, into somewhere boring and no fun to visit. So, while he's here, I won't be.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
These threads are going round and round in circles and getting frankly boring. I've got better things to do with my time than argue with someone who blindly refuses to take any notice of anything anyone says.

I would say one thing though about the Pete and Traci situation from last year, because nodisharmony has suggested that I don't think bullying is a serious issue unless racism is involved. That's absolute rubbish. I thought Pete was vile to Traci and more should have said about it. But there was no racism involved. I hope that clears things up.

Now - nodisharmony has managed to single handedly turn this forum where there was once plenty of lively chat and talk about all sorts of different subjects, into somewhere boring and no fun to visit. So, while he's here, I won't be.


Ruth,

The reason that I mentioned the Traci/Pete episode, is, that Davina McCall mentioned it in that interview.

So naturally, as it was on topic, it was a fair conversation to be had.

I agree that "Bullying" is a bad thing to do and I understand what bullying is. Certainly, it is the threat-of-violence which is usually behind the worry-factor.

Somebody worrying about what could follow, beyond that bullying.

I hardly think it is likely that Tracy, or indeed Shilpa expect their agressors to ever use violence? That is certainly NOT the case.

However, I said that the furore over Race, was very real and as past reality shows, where there is housemates locked in a house, or even a "Love Island", arguments have always broken out & plenty of bullying too.

Jade Goody was in Big Brother 3 and actually argued there and many have used the word (bully) and after the show, there was no furore.

Anyway, much time later and 8 million quid later, (in case you forgot Ruth) Jade came back and met Danielle & Jo then met Shilpa and the word (Race) began to come up, nevermind the bullying part Ruth, it was the (Race) part which made the furore.

If you listen to Davina, you can see where she is coming from, when she says that she can't understand it.
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Regarding your other comment, whereby you have strangely got annoyed about these big (Q&A's) between both of us.

I actually did a big post, all about the different angles of the situation between Jade, Jo & Danielle, which was in answer to another forum user.

Then suddenly, you Ruth, take each quote that I said and gave your opinions to each and every one of them.

I then took each of them points and gave my responses

It is actually called, "a good debate".

If you don't like it, then you don't have to make it happen. You actually said that you were'nt going to bother with Q&A's anymore, and place me on ignore.

Suddenly, you change your mind and start Q&Aing me again.

There's nothing wrong with this, even though you think there is??

I can only say, it is like you facing the X-Factor's judge Simon Cowell.

Many come and audition in front of him and personally think that they are very talented and can actually sing? Suddenly, Simon puts him or her down and tells it exactly how it is. If they are good, he'll tell them! If they are not, he may say something to hurt your feelings.

But deep down, he is actually right! Even though many thousands would disagree.
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In a case involving CBB Jan. There is sadly much disharmony and in fact, much trouble and also the biggest question mark ever hanging over the shows future.

How can you guarantee big ratings for a show which is going to go on for three months and editors are going to have to be so careful with the editing and at the same time, a show which is always argumentative at times, maybe they will have to show total peace and fun only.

It will become very mundane and boring and Endemol will look at the ratings and so will Virgin and that could be it?

I hope not.
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Regarding your threat of (me or you) situation.

I am sure you will rise above that comment and realise that it is 6 of one & a half a dozen of the other, with this situation.

nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Everytime I see the fat pig faced slapper now the song "Strange Fruit" springs to mind - its the soundtrack of her life

Other than that :bored: