Accidental racism & Part time racists?

[Mrluvaluva]

So as not to be accused of going off topic, I have created this thread for a serious debate about this.

1. Is there such a thing as "accidental racism"?

2. Can you be a "part-time racist"?


Discuss please.

[Mrluvaluva]

OK, let's give you some help with the definitions. It has been suggested by a member that "accidental racism" can happen, and you can be a part-time racist. It has been explained by this member that "accidental racism", is when you say something racist in the heat of the moment, but do not really mean it, so it is acceptable.

As for a "part-time" racist, this terminology has not been explained yet as far as I am aware.

In my view, you cannot accidentally use racism in the heat of the moment. If I am in an argument (theoretically) with a french person and I call them a frog for example, would I be forgiven as I say I am not a racist, and just used that term in the heat of the moment? I hope not, because in my mind, I would be racist for saying that. Argument or no argument.

As for a part-time racist. Is this the definition:

Theoretical scenario: "Say Dick works with white, asian, and australian people? During the week, he is willing to go for a drink with them all. Just work colleagues on their own. At the weekend, he wouldn't be seen dead with the asian people, as his friends are racists and he would get a load of hassle and they wouldn't want to know him." Does this make him a "part-time racist"?

[Sunny_01]

Have a look at this BazG

http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/miles_kington/article1813548.ece

It talks about accidental racism in a totally different way to the way a friend of ours discusses it

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Have a look at this BazG

http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/miles_kington/article1813548.ece

It talks about accidental racism in a totally different way to the way a friend of ours discusses it


Madness!

[Sunny_01]

Totally agree.

I think the terms accidental racist and part time racist are excuses for people which they hope will allow them the odd slip to behave in a terrible way.

Racism is racism end of story really no matter how you dress it up :bored: To think that you can be a part time racist is pure ignorance and comes from someone who is obviously not very well educated or who is not culturally aware at all.

[Mrluvaluva]

I agree. The only kind of people who would use those terms are racist ones who want to make up some excuse for their behaviour.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
I agree. The only kind of people who would use those terms are racist ones who want to make up some excuse for their behaviour.

Okay MrLuvaLuva, Here we are:-

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(Very Racist) This means that you judge people by the colour of their skin or their ethnic background or say definite racist comments where there is no doubt in anyones mind that they are indeed racist words.

This wasn't the case with CBB Jan.
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(Part-Time Racist) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, assaults you or says a racist comment to you or attacks you personally in words and in that moment of rage, you may something which brings race into the equasion

Maybe one or two words in that situation. But generally, you treat everybody equal.

It was said, just to hurt that person in revenge of what they first did to you.

Tit-for-tat, but petty really.

This wasn't the case with CBB Jan.
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(Accidental Racist/offensive words or comments) This means that in a situation whereby a person of an ethnic background or skin colour, annoys you in some way, accidently, something may come out of your mouth, (Jade, Jo and Danielle) for example. Which to some people may be construed as having "racial-over-tones".

It is accidental and an easy trap to fall into.

This is what happened in CBB Jan.
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(Racist jokes) This is what comedians call humour. I don't need to elaborate much on this point

[Mrluvaluva]

OK. So are we discussing it on this thread now, or the other one? Let's make a decision. This one. Sorry to be presumptuous, but I made a decision. Hope that's ok with you nodis?

[Mrluvaluva]

Repost from the other thread here:

"If somebody called me a "white honky", I would not retaliate in such a way. It would not come into my mind. If I did, then I would say I was racist. I would not describe myself as a "part-time racist". It has actually happened before, and I have just laughed. To retaliate and be just as bad as them, was not in my mind."

[Chrizzle]

I think there is such a thing as accidental racism, but it should be called accidental "racism"

I once offended my black friend by accident, I spent ages constantly reminding her I wasnt being racist

[Mrluvaluva]

Can you explain Chris so we may understand further?

[Chrizzle]

I don't want to repeat it, just incase it offends anyone on here.

[Sunny_01]

was it racism or a lack of cultural awareness? they are 2 different things to be honest and young people often say things through a lack of awareness rather than being racist! DOnt beat yourself up over it Chrizzle.

I think that as educated people though we need to accept responsibility for our actions and not hide behind titles like "part time racist". I am an adult and would happily defend my words or actions to anyone as I dont directly do or say anything with a racial under-current or say anything that could be implied as being racist. When working with the client groups that I work with I am very aware of my words and actions because in this day and age of political correctness it is important that we dont do things to cause offence.

[Chrizzle]

She knew after a couple of arguements I wasnt being racist, thankfully. This happeneds 2 years ago. Shes moved to London now:sad: but anyway off topic.

It definately wasnt meant as a racist comment, and I was shocked she would even think it was.

[Sunny_01]

Glad to hear that Chrizzle :bigsmile:

[Mrluvaluva]

I agree Sunny, but to retaliate to a racist comment, with a racist comment, as nodis suggested, does not let you off the hook. "Tit for tat" as it was said. It is not acceptable in my book. And I do understand Chris. I didn't mean to press you.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by BAZG
I agree Sunny, but to retaliate to a racist comment, with a racist comment, as nodis suggested, does not let you off the hook. "Tit for tat" as it was said. It is not acceptable in my book. And I do understand Chris. I didn't mean to press you.

I see where you are coming from Baz - it's about being the one to rise above that kid of behaviour. Just because someone might choose to launch a racial comment for example at my hubby (who is mixed race) doesnt mean I have to use a similar vein of retaliation.

[Mrluvaluva]

Exactly. People use racist comments sometimes as a "cheap trick" to try and get a reaction. If it does not work, they do not know what to do next. I am not saying that we should accept such comments. It is actually unacceptable. But racists use irrelevant comments to try and provoke hatred.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
I agree Sunny, but to retaliate to a racist comment, with a racist comment, as nodis suggested, does not let you off the hook. "Tit for tat" as it was said. It is not acceptable in my book. And I do understand Chris. I didn't mean to press you.

What you want to happen and what actually does happen is two different things.

I spoke to a schoolgirl 13yr old, funny enough, her name is "Danielle".

Anyway, she told me how a Black kid pushed her and called her a white-racist name. I can't remember exactly what he called her, but she then hurled some racist comment back to him.

It was her way of dealing with the situation.

I am also aware that her parents agreed with her actions and now she thinks it is the way to be.

You see MrLuvaLuva what I am saying, is, people can be really racist and take it to the limit and beyond and other people can be Part-Time-Racists and use racism, when they want to hurt someones feelings by using a word or comment, because they have received either violence or a personal nasty comment before-hand.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
I don't want to repeat it, just incase it offends anyone on here.

I understand what you are saying Chrizzle.

This is where Accidental racism comes into play.

You may give an example and describe it and before you know it, people believe that you are racist, when you are obviously not.

It is what is known as, "over-scrutiny"

Looking for problems which aren't even there. Trying so desperately to find the millionth of a possible sounding "racial-over-tone" in amongst what you are saying.

It is better to be careful and sway away from saying what you think, just in case.

Think of it, as walking in bare-feet blindfolded in a room full of broken glass.

That is how careful you need to be Chrizzle in this environment of over-scrutiny...

I know....

[Mrluvaluva]

In this instance nodis, you have used a 13 year old girl as your argument. You are a 30-something who should know better. What is your excuse? Young people can be naive. At your age, you should surely have some wisdom by now. What doyou think about that?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
In this instance nodis, you have used a 13 year old girl as your argument. You are a 30-something who should know better. What is your excuse? Young people can be naive. At your age, you should surely have some wisdom by now. What doyou think about that?

I don't understand the question MrLuvaLuva?

I was giving an instance of someone I know.

I was also giving examples of what the various definations of the word mean.

You are saying that I need an excuse?? an excuse for what??

[Mrluvaluva]

Answer me this. You said "a Black kid pushed her ". "Called her a white racist name" The colour of a person comes into the conversation with everything. Look back on my posts. Have I ever talked about colour? I have talked about race. When it comes down to the colour of your skin, well,,,,,,,,,,,,, Do I ask if you are black, yellow, red or white? It does not matter to me.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Answer me this. You said "a Black kid pushed her ". "Called her a white racist name" The colour of a person comes into the conversation with everything. Look back on my posts. Have I ever talked about colour? I have talked about race. When it comes down to the colour of your skin, well,,,,,,,,,,,,, Do I ask if you are black, yellow, red or white? It does not matter to me.

I am telling you what she told me.

She mentioned that he was a black kid and what occured between them on that day.

I don't think we are talking about you MrLuvaLuva ?

You shall have to open a topic named: (MrLuvaLuva man of infinite wisdom)

[Mrluvaluva]

Or nodisharmony

man of ifinite bullshit
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JADE GOODY KNOWS THIS!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Or nodisharmony

man of ifinite bullshit
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JADE GOODY KNOWS THIS!

That is the first time I have sensed a weakness in you!

Just for a second, I thought you wanted me to stumble on this subject of "Racism"?

[Mrluvaluva]

Not at all. I can smell bullshit a mile off. I just use humour to purvey this. Did I confuse you?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Not at all. I can smell bullshit a mile off. I just use humour to purvey this. Did I confuse you?

I guess it was Mr Hyde for a second and now it is the good Dr Jekyl.

Welcome back..

sadly, for me, it is bed-time :sleep::sleep::sleep:

I'll be back later.

[Mrluvaluva]

I never get to Mr Hyde nodis. You of all people should know that. Goodnight.

[lily.]

Are you two still arguing..

Seek help.. :tongue:

[Mrluvaluva]

Help! We are just discussing. Not arguing at all. Eh nodis?

[Sunny_01]

I see this carried on long after I hit my pit!!

You see the point I make Nodis is that young people like the one you mentioned are culturally unaware, they can be forgiven for their knee jerk reactions because she will learn with time (or maybe not because her family are obviously racist)

As adults though we have a responsibility to be aware of each others culture so as not to offend people.

[Dr43%er]

Ok. You have a shop owned by a Pakistani. Is it racist, part time racist, accidental racist or not racist to say you "are going to the **** shop"

I say racist. You?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Help! We are just discussing. Not arguing at all. Eh nodis?

That is right MrLuvaLuva

It can make a change to just discuss in a friendly way.:thumbs2:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I see this carried on long after I hit my pit!!

You see the point I make Nodis is that young people like the one you mentioned are culturally unaware, they can be forgiven for their knee jerk reactions because she will learn with time (or maybe not because her family are obviously racist)

As adults though we have a responsibility to be aware of each others culture so as not to offend people.

Hi Sunny,

I understand what you are saying Sunny.

In an ideal world, everything should happen the way you say.

Nobody should say anything which can offend another person, but they do in real life.

On a forum, it is easy to say that people are perfect and do everything okay and all your friends and family and people you associate with are all perfect in the racial & offensive department.

But, how many actually are that way?
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Getting back to this girl, who is indeed only 13 and you are right Sunny, she is young and naive.

Also, you are right, when you say that it is wrong for the parents to take very little notice that their daughter said that racial comment.

But, when you have a 13 year old daughter and you obviously love her and perhaps you have had a stressful day at work and come home and find out that another 13 year old lad at school has hit your daughter and she has a bruise on her arm from this assault, then all you see is RED.

Sadly, in a moment of anger, her mother is only concerned for her daughter and could not care less about what her daughter has said in that circumstance.

It doesn't make her mother a racist person.

a racist person is against people of another race or maybe skin colour completely.

This is where my definitions of "Part-Time-Racism" & "Accidental Racism" comes into play.

If you cannot accept this argument, that is naturally you priviledge to say that, as you are in a position, where political correctness and self-popularity is important.

So, I shall accept your answer which you and others agree together on & I hope we can debate your reasons in a nice and friendly debate.

Sadly Sunny, I shall have to dis-include, Dr43%er & Spacebandit from this little discussion, as they only have negativity and personal vendetta's on their mind, but I know you know and understand.

All the best, nodisharmony :angel:

[Dr43%er]

Shame that. I was sure that I asked a perfectly reasonable question to no member in particular and with out using any insults. This question was to gauge where people thought certain terms in certain situations would be placed in the list. I am sorry if for some reason you have taken this as a personal slight but it was not just asked for you.

I can only assume by your reaction you have something to hide or you think I will not like your reply?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Ok. You have a shop owned by a Pakistani. Is it racist, part time racist, accidental racist or not racist to say you "are going to the pa** shop"

I say racist. You?


I say that is definitely a racist remark. There was an article in The Metro a couple of weeks ago. The title for a piece used the word "china man" in it. A letter to the paper complained it was racist, but somebody disagreed with it. I think it is racist, because you would actually refer to him as a chinese man and not a china man. I am an English man, not an England man am I not? Chinaman was a word actually used as a racist term.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Sadly Sunny, I shall have to dis-include, Dr43%er & Spacebandit from this little discussion, as they only have negativity and personal vendetta's on their mind, but I know you know and understand.

All the best, nodisharmony :angel:

Personaly vendetta ?
I never met you before you started posting here, and for me disagreeing with you about Jade being the heir apparent to Mother Theresa you decide to get all patronising and insulting.

I found out about you via Google Cache, its very easy to do, anyone can do it, but you prefer conspiracies, it obviously fits in with your divorced view of reality.

Which is how I can now relate your opinions here and your posts in general by a past posting history.

What did I find on Google Cache ?

I found you berating immigrants for being treated better than what you call the "white english", and being more equal in law..I screengrabbed that page and you laughably and cowardly and claimed it was fake. You are too gutless to stand by your own words,

Accidental racist ?
Part Time Racist ?
Full Time Racist ?

indeed your problem over it is clearly due to petulance, via Google Caches I also discovered that as a moderator at JadeGoodyonline you would change peoples posts if you didn't like what they said - no wonder you threw your teddy in the corner here when confronted with your own words, missing the days you could have just edited at will, no doubt

In other posts I found you changed a user name in replies from "Joey Da Dog" to "Joey Da ***"

Accidental racist ?
Part Time Racist ?
Full Time Racist ?


More than one instance - I screengrabbed a number of different posts.

You are in my opinion a racist, full, not part time, and multiple instances clearly show that its not accidental and I can use your own words to back up that assertion.

when caught out bullys blame the victim - they are cowards

You have learned well from your heroine Jade Goody, who also made multiple racist comments on CBB and showed us she is a racist.

I cannot imagine being so cowardly as to deny anything I said or wrote.

How does it feel ?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Sadly Sunny, I shall have to dis-include, Dr43%er & Spacebandit from this little discussion, as they only have negativity and personal vendetta's on their mind, but I know you know and understand.

All the best, nodisharmony :angel:

Personaly vendetta ?
I never met you before you started posting here, and for me disagreeing with you about Jade being the heir apparent to Mother Theresa you decide to get all patronising and insulting.

I found out about you via Google Cache, its very easy to do, anyone can do it, but you prefer conspiracies, it obviously fits in with your divorced view of reality.

Which is how I can now relate your opinions here and your posts in general by a past posting history.

What did I find on Google Cache ?

I found you berating immigrants for being treated better than what you call the "white english", and being more equal in law..I screengrabbed that page and you laughably and cowardly and claimed it was fake. You are too gutless to stand by your own words,

Accidental racist ?
Part Time Racist ?
Full Time Racist ?

indeed your problem over it is clearly due to petulance, via Google Caches I also discovered that as a moderator at JadeGoodyonline you would change peoples posts if you didn't like what they said - no wonder you threw your teddy in the corner here when confronted with your own words, missing the days you could have just edited at will, no doubt

In other posts I found you changed a user name in replies from "Joey the Dog" to "Joey the ***"

Accidental racist ?
Part Time Racist ?
Full Time Racist ?


More than one instance - I screengrabbed a number of different posts.

You are in my opinion a racist, full, not part time, and multiple instances clearly show that its not accidental and I can use your own words to back up that assertion.

when caught out bullys blame the victim - they are cowards

You have learned well from your heroine Jade Goody, who also made multiple racist comments on CBB and showed us she is a racist.

I cannot imagine being so cowardly as to deny anything I said or wrote.

How does it feel ?



*Quote*I never met you before you started posting here*Quote*


You are right in one sense, you weren't called "Spacebandit", you were called "socialthought"

Maybe there are some screengrabs of what you said on that forum which far out-weigh anything that anyone could imagine an Administrator could ever put up with.

But I'm not arguing with you anymore.

You have people above forum members on your side.

and you just said that you want to put a bag over Jade's head within the Jade-Boob topic.

wishing harm to a past housemate is very bad.

I wish no one any harm, only goodness

nodisharmony :angel:

[mansi]

Originally posted by spacebandit

Personaly vendetta ?
I never met you before you started posting here, and for me disagreeing with you about Jade being the heir apparent to Mother Theresa you decide to get all patronising and insulting.

I found out about you via Google Cache, its very easy to do, anyone can do it, but you prefer conspiracies, it obviously fits in with your divorced view of reality.

Which is how I can now relate your opinions here and your posts in general by a past posting history.

What did I find on Google Cache ?

I found you berating immigrants for being treated better than what you call the "white english", and being more equal in law..I screengrabbed that page and you laughably and cowardly and claimed it was fake. You are too gutless to stand by your own words,

Accidental racist ? Part Time Racist ? Full Time Racist ?

indeed your problem over it is clearly due to petulance, via Google Caches I also discovered that as a moderator at JadeGoodyonline you would change peoples posts if you didn't like what they said - no wonder you threw your teddy in the corner here when confronted with your own words, missing the days you could have just edited at will, no doubt

In other posts I found you changed a user name in replies from "Joey the Dog" to "Joey the ***"

Accidental racist ? Part Time Racist ? Full Time Racist ?

More than one instance - I screengrabbed a number of different posts.

You are in my opinion a racist, full, not part time, and multiple instances clearly show that its not accidental and I can use your own words to back up that assertion.

when caught out bullys blame the victim - they are cowards

You have learned well from your heroine Jade Goody, who also made multiple racist comments on CBB and showed us she is a racist.

I cannot imagine being so cowardly as to deny anything I said or wrote.
How does it feel ?


something's fishy, lolll...on a more serious note though I must agree with you Nodish is a coward and a racist and there have been several instances where he has denied saying something he has actually said....and if he is unable to argue back to a point you have made he either ignores it and or he get's nasty...he seems to be very much like jade, a hypocrite, liar, and a fake.

[Dr43%er]

and you just said that you want to put a bag over Jade's head within the Jade-Boob topic.


That was to protect him if his bag fell off so he would not see her face. Nothing to do with harming her. But you knew that.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er

and you just said that you want to put a bag over Jade's head within the Jade-Boob topic.


That was to protect him if his bag fell off so he would not see her face. Nothing to do with harming her. But you knew that.

Oh I see! I must have misjudged the situation, NOT!!

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Catatonia is not a person,

it is a group.

Ok...

I shall keep reminding you both.

[lily.]

On the subject of racism...

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


You are right in one sense, you weren't called "Spacebandit", you were called "socialthought"

Maybe there are some screengrabs of what you said on that forum which far out-weigh anything that anyone could imagine an Administrator could ever put up with.

But I'm not arguing with you anymore.

You have people above forum members on your side.

and you just said that you want to put a bag over Jade's head within the Jade-Boob topic.

wishing harm to a past housemate is very bad.
I wish no one any harm, only goodness

nodisharmony :angel:

I have never used the name Sociathought. A risible ploy by you to try and get mud to stick.
Though it does not suprise me in the slightest that you should ascribe a name of someone else you disagreed with.
That is how sociopaths work.

and your claim that I stated in another thread that I wish to do Jade Goody harm - that is a blatant and untrue lie which comes as no suprise and now explains your denial of the screebgrab I posted. You are a congenital liar

The comment for those who havent seen it on another thread, which Nodisharmony claims is a threat against Jade Goody is this




Jades a double bagger.

You put a bag over your own head as well in case hers falls off.




You are an utterly shameless liar, and completely stupid as your lies are so easy to disprove.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Ok. You have a shop owned by a Pakistani. Is it racist, part time racist, accidental racist or not racist to say you "are going to the pa** shop"

I say racist. You?


I say that is definitely a racist remark. There was an article in The Metro a couple of weeks ago. The title for a piece used the word "china man" in it. A letter to the paper complained it was racist, but somebody disagreed with it. I think it is racist, because you would actually refer to him as a chinese man and not a china man. I am an English man, not an England man am I not? Chinaman was a word actually used as a racist term.


Do you know something MrLuvaLuva

I don't understand you at all.

I really, really don't.

I want you to look at that post that you have written and try and make some sort of sense of it all.

You waffle on about Chinese men and at the same time, you can sit down in your nice comfortable chair and watch CBB Jan. and watch the American actor Dirk Benedict being bullied right before your eyes.

I notice how little everybody notices this. He is an American, who came to England and appeared on this BB show and if you take the trouble to click on Youtube.com and look at the footage of how everybody started to make fun of him, including his past Cancer and his accent.

But you still have the audacity to just ignore this completely and waffle on about China.

It beggars belief.
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Right, you want to be scared to ********* death!!

Are you sure that you want to know this MrLuvaLuva ?
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Let us go back, just for a second to the early 80's

There was a man called Richard Branson, you may have heard of him?

He is going to sponser Big Brother 8

You may have heard a whisper or two.

Once upon a time, there was two comedians called:- Peter Cook & Dudley Moore They invented a type of comedy called "Satire"

Maybe you know it? or not?

Anyway, in the early 80's Peter Cook came up with an idea?

Derek & Clive

Why not go beyond anything which has ever been done before and start swearing and be as nasty as anyone could ever be ever. Let's be terribly racist beyond belief and as nasty to religion and take comedy to a level which has never been seen before EVER.

But, there is one important factor, "Virgin Records" & "Richard Branson"

He saw this and jumped on it immediately.

I don't know whether you know the albums.
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Derek & Clive Live

Come Again

Ad Nauseum
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All on Virgin records and very much Richard Branson. and very much in the shops today in the year 2007, in case you forgot?

I shall add a couple of Youtube links for your entertainment.

Most of it is very rude, but, amongst it, is quite racial.

So, What can you make from this? You can always say that it is comedy and at that time it was acceptable humour? Is that a fair reason?

It was still racism and Richard Branson is laughing and is appearing also in these videos.

Racism was being said and it is very real.

You are not excusing anybody, by what you and your new friends are saying?? MrLuvaLuva Make your minds up!!
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Richard Branson & Virgin Media have decided to sponser Big Brother 8.

Car phone warehouse have opted to stear clear. Nobody else bothered or wanted to know.

Suddenly, the man from the studio, where Peter Cook & Dudley Moore were airing their nasty swear words and racism in their satirical way, comes along and says YES immediately.

Then MrLuvaLuva, by your over-scrutiny, you should look upon this as a decision, by a man who found all this racial nastiness so funny at the time, knowing full well that it may offend many people and I know that it certainly did at the time. More than you'd ever now!!

Then MrLuvaLuva, you must draw the only judgement that you could ever draw, by saying, that, A racist person has decided to sponser a show that is happy to display racism from three racist young women and not edit out any racist words and comments within the Big Brother house.

Is that something for you to think about?

I can see you rushing to his defence, because you are scared to say what you really feel.

Also, if he changes his mind, it could mean trouble for Endemol and that is something you don't want to cause.

However, you need to save face too.

So, I just can't give you any clues to sort out what you have got yourself into, by being so politically correct and not admitting that it is easy to fall foul to accidental or part-time racism when it can come along.

here are the Youtube links:-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sWO0TT3_0ao

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=derek+%26+clive


nodisharmony :angel:

[lily.]

Is it because Baz is Black?

[lily.]

Don't you find Monster Munch incredibly more-ish... ?

I do. I just had to have a 2nd packet. :bouncy:

[Mrluvaluva]

Did I rattle you nodis? lol

[Mrluvaluva]

I WAFFLE ON! That's a laugh!

[Mrluvaluva]

Hahahahahahahahaaha

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Hahahahahahahahaaha

Frivolous and mischeivous. Let the tom-foolery begin!



is that the part you are on about???:dance:

[Mrluvaluva]

Am I your nemesis nodis?

[Mrluvaluva]

Not the DR or Spacebandit. Me? Do I berate you? Me? A stranger to you? An outsider? Does that make you feel uncomfortable? Does it?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Am I your nemesis nodis?

Just part of the equasion MrLuvaLuva

you know I'm more into fairness and a hater of corruption, don't you.

but when I say, Catatonia is not a person, but certainly a group.

your two new-found friends will get concerned..



nodisharmony :angel:

[Mrluvaluva]

so you have said

[lily.]

This is like watching the x-files..

[Mrluvaluva]

You seem to have a problem with spacebandit & dr43%er? Why is that? You seem to think they may have influenced me, when you know that's not true.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
You seem to have a problem with spacebandit & dr43%er? Why is that? You seem to think they may have influenced me, when you know that's not true.

Of course it is true.

They are the propaganda machine.

good (me) :angel:

vs

bad (them) :cloud:

The word, "Catatonia" scares them and they know why.


nodisharmony :angel:

[lily.]

Have they ever thrown their knickers at Tom Jones?

[Mrluvaluva]

It's a mater of opinion/

YOU = GOOD = N0

VS

US = ?

I am not saying if we are bad or good. I will let the other members decide. Vote now!

[lily.]

Do we have to phone in? Cuz it's a con you know... look what happened on Blue Peter!!.. :shocked:

[Mrluvaluva]

Maybe nodis will decide?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Maybe nodis will decide?

no vote necassary.

There is a big fuss over this phone thingy??

Overcharging...:puzzled:

I have even entered the Deal or no Deal competiton over the internet, as it's meant to be free, but it never works.

But, I have been told, that they will charge you for the phone call, even if you don't get through??

What a con that is.

I understand that show is Endemol's baby? Am I right?

[lily.]

Is this like the drugs advert, where you stand on the light up columns...

"YOU DECIDE"...

Oh, I've come over all Marcus Bentley... :bigsmile:

[lily.]

Probably.. Endemol own all the rip-offs on the telly these days..

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]

I have even entered the Deal or no Deal competiton over the internet, as it's meant to be free, but it never works.




So why did you do it? Fool!

[lily.]

Good point. See, I don't enter these things, cuz I know in advance that I'm getting scammed. I pity the fool who enters them.

On another note... people might well be complaining about you being dull and boring nodis, but now that BB8 is soon to be upon us, we will be deluged with fluckwits here, who wish to discuss such mundane things as "stairs". :rolleyes:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stropz
Good point. See, I don't enter these things, cuz I know in advance that I'm getting scammed. I pity the fool who enters them.

On another note... people might well be complaining about you being dull and boring nodis, but now that BB8 is soon to be upon us, we will be deluged with fluckwits here, who wish to discuss such mundane things as "stairs". :rolleyes:

nothing will be mundane when I'm around.

Fireworks all the way.

Haven't you all been watching.

Over-scrutiny of Big Brother 8 will naturally happen and guess who will be the angel to save those in peril from being shafted?

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

nodisharmony :angel:

[lily.]

Just shoot me now.. :tongue:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
[i]

I have even entered the Deal or no Deal competiton over the internet, as it's meant to be free, but it never works.




So why did you do it? Fool!

Fool! takes one to know one?

or did I say that earlier :thumbs2::thumbs2::thumbs2:

_________________________________________

anyway, back off-topic, since you changed it MrLuvaLuva and I am blaming you this time.

I used to get throught to Deal or no Deal, via the web-entry, but it changed and now, you've no chance.

nodisharmony :angel:

[Mrluvaluva]

Oh Nodis! You big man! We have all been watching you! Are you Jesus???? Are you the second coming? GET SOME THERAPY!

[lily.]

Sanity is over-rated though Baz..

[Mrluvaluva]

Sanity?

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
You seem to have a problem with spacebandit & dr43%er? Why is that? You seem to think they may have influenced me, when you know that's not true.

Of course it is true.

They are the propaganda machine.

good (me) :angel:

vs

bad (them) :cloud:

The word, "Catatonia" scares them and they know why.


nodisharmony :angel:

You have to be one of the biggest idiots I have ever had the misfortune to encounter on the net, and I've encountered some real buffoons - but you take the biscuit. Your post claiming I want to do harm to Jade Goody is proof of that beyond all doubt

Hilarious, sad and pathetic in equal measure.

Wouldn't suprise me at all to find you keep your mother in the root cellar.

Carry On Deluded

[Mrluvaluva]

Ha Ha Norman!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Oh Nodis! You big man! We have all been watching you! Are you Jesus???? Are you the second coming? GET SOME THERAPY!

John Lennon made that mistake once.

Don't joke where Jesus is concerned!!

Religion is more serious than race could ever be.

Even Jermaine Jackson could tell you that.

First you pray and then you say a racist comment to Jade's mum and then she gets thrown out of the diary room like some piece of W Trash and then, she has no shoes either.

Jade cries and Shilpa comes to her rescue.
____________________________________

Therapy costs money.

Anyway, I have had a taste of them before. and they were brilliant

Here's what I mean:- http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDVsIvvFtcs

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by BAZG
Oh Nodis! You big man! We have all been watching you! Are you Jesus???? Are you the second coming? GET SOME THERAPY!

John Lennon made that mistake once.

Don't joke where Jesus is concerned!!

Religion is more serious than race could ever be.

Even Jermaine Jackson could tell you that.

First you pray and then you say a racist comment to Jade's mum and then she gets thrown out of the diary room like some piece of W Trash and then, she has no shoes either.

Jade cries and Shilpa comes to her rescue.
____________________________________

Therapy costs money.

Anyway, I have had a taste of them before. and they were brilliant

Here's what I mean:- http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDVsIvvFtcs


EVERYTHING TO YOU IS ABOUT CBB5! GO SEE A DOCTOR! GO HAVE THERAPY. I HAVE HAD IT WITH YOU. MY LAST EVER COMMENT FOR SURE WITH YOU.

[spacebandit]

Is this an example of part time racism, or accidental racism ?

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/353054_theylikethefreebenefits.JPG.html

[lily.]

Controversial..

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by MrLuvaLuva
Oh Nodis! You big man! We have all been watching you! Are you Jesus???? Are you the second coming? GET SOME THERAPY!

John Lennon made that mistake once.

Don't joke where Jesus is concerned!!

Religion is more serious than race could ever be.

Even Jermaine Jackson could tell you that.

First you pray and then you say a racist comment to Jade's mum and then she gets thrown out of the diary room like some piece of W Trash and then, she has no shoes either.

Jade cries and Shilpa comes to her rescue.
____________________________________

Therapy costs money.

Anyway, I have had a taste of them before. and they were brilliant

Here's what I mean:- http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDVsIvvFtcs


EVERYTHING TO YOU IS ABOUT CBB5! GO SEE A DOCTOR! GO HAVE THERAPY. I HAVE HAD IT WITH YOU. MY LAST EVER COMMENT FOR SURE WITH YOU.

cry baby bunting, daddy's gone a hunting :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:


nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Is this an example of part time racism or accidental racism ?

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/380878_joeydawlearn.JPG.html

[lily.]

Are you racist nodis? I'm disappointed in you. :nono:

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

cry baby bunting, daddy's gone a hunting :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:


nodisharmony :angel:



Is this the work of a normal sane man? Oh sorry, I lied Nick.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stropz
Are you racist nodis? I'm disappointed in you. :nono:

No Stropz,

It's a nice fit-up, I would be convinced too,

But fools like these make big mistakes and I have taken the matter up with the headmaster a while back.

I have a lovely copy of the original page, from a link I was given which was handed to me, like a lovely piece of smokey bacon.

I clicked on the link and after viewing it, I copied and pasted the page and now it is on an e-mail in my computer, nice and safe and sound Stropz.

The information given, times, dates, post-counts are dubious and if they knew and you knew what myself and the headmaster knew. There is a smelly rat and it has Spacebandit's and Dr43%er's muddy paw prints all over it.

The link to this information has miraculously disappeared. now, But I saved it before it became strangely defunct.

I know a friend who knows about Image-hosting and to make a fit-up job isn't difficult.

mine isn't an image hosting.. No clues given, sorry..

_________________________________________

This is what happens to these naughty pupils when they are in the school playground, when the teachers are away and the headmaster is asleep.

I was on Jadegoodyonline and we debated some touchy subjects. Plenty of Jade Goody, naturally. Covering all angles of her situation and indeed all the girls. But, certain topics ventured into dangerous ground and "race" was one of those subjects.

All these screengrabs amount to nothing.

There was a member there called Joey Da Dog, what a silly name, you may say? It was even more of a shock to me, when I got plenty of nice private-messages from her. I was quite friendly and we'd joke with each other amongst other members who joined in. Suddenly, I noticed that this member changed the (D) to a (W) in the last name and for a short while, there was some joking going on. To someone reading it, it would look quite bad! But in the spirit of the thread in which it was in, it read pretty clear to what it actually was. Anyway, she changed it back very shortly, still a bit of jesting was going on, but after time, I learned that the she was a he and actually very nasty and with loads of alias's.

As I was the Mod for only the last 6 days of the forums life, I did check I P addresses and noticed many weird things which weren't right?? But as the Admin was virtually invisible and I had one good friend, who I shall just name, (Catatonia) I became more aware.

Things got so hostile near the end and Spacebandit, aka "socialthought" & "Dr43%er" were at the centre of the equasion.

so now you know the other side of what is occuring, make of it as you like.

It is just two disgruntled ex-members of a now defunct forum, trying everything they can to discredit me, just to satisfy themselves, so Jade, Danielle and Jo can be without defence. Sad and pathetic really.

They were there to cause trouble and they did & now it is invasion-time for them over here, spouting their lies and whatever. They do have a free run here, as the Jade-Haters are very real and go much higher up in the chain.

I know that it is very easy to look at all of this and think the worst, but let us actually look at what pathetic rubbish is on offer and try to calm MrLuvaLuva down, as he is starting to cry and join in with the masses, as he usually does.

Look how hostile he suddenly came, as soon as the Spacebandit arrived, almost in a matter of seconds.

Can anybody really be that shallow??

anyway, back to the situation and accusations to my good self.

Nothing, is what there is!

The first time, the second time, the third time, the fourth time, the fifth time.

They keep posting them screen-grabs & links here and it is getting boring for everyone.

If it didn't work the other four times, they have been posted here, it's a waste of time trying again. You're digging yourselves deeper & deeper and coming up with the same stuff.

They keep coming up with this rubbish, which has nothing to do with debate, but only to personally attack a forum user.

I have decided to make this statement, as I know that MrLuvaLuva's intentions were to manoevre me into this position. But I am not going to elaborate any further beyond this point. You are debating in a vacuum and defunct, means defunct, whether it is cache or no cache

Sometimes, The worst racists, are the ones that preach against racism.

They can actually hate their own race and make more enemies by being that way.

Learn from that, if you all will.. Things were getting quite friendly and joyful for a second. Anyway, maybe things can return that way after a good night's sleep?:thumbs:

nodisharmony :angel: