JC what a coward he is

[chuff me dizzy]

Liked him up to last night, but by God what a coward he is, he stood back and let a 74 yr old woman get attacked by a crowd of hm8s and never said a word, I thought he was the calming one in there,the one everyone would listen to ,and he could have stopped the attack on Kim in minutes, he chose not too ,not as good a man as I thought he was

[Niamh.]

He's as much a part of the ganghanded crew as the others tbh (as much as I like him)

[Nancy.]

Yes, I have to agree. JC will have lost a lot of supporters after last night. I thought he would have stood up and said something, but no. Very disappointed.

[Toy Soldier]

I actually think getting involved would have been a really bad move. He's a gentle soul IMO and would either have just been totally ignored, or would have made things even worse.

[Liam-]

I thought you hated people getting involved in things when it doesn't concern them? you say that's one of the reasons you don't like Nicola, so why would James getting involved be any different?

Also, Kim wasn't getting 'attacked' she was doing the attacking.

[jet]

Liked him up to last night, but by God what a coward he is, he stood back and let a 74 yr old woman get attacked by a crowd of hm8s and never said a word, I thought he was the calming one in there,the one everyone would listen to ,and he could have stopped the attack on Kim in minutes, he chose not too ,not as good a man as I thought he was

Yes, I'm a bit disappointed with him too...and if he had done it, he would have really been assured of the win I think, seeing he's the fave with the bookies.

[ebandit]

...why? it had nothing to do with him................

kim was doing most of the shouting...hardly needed defending............

Mark L

[jet]

...why? it had nothing to do with him................

kim was doing most of the shouting...hardly needed defending............

Mark L

I think he could have tried to diffuse the situation in general, without taking sides.

[ebandit]

I think he could have tried to diffuse the situation in general, without taking sides.

ideally he would have gently guided kim away....imagine kim's reaction......
to that

Mark L

[Josy]

It wasn't his business? plus he was outside when it was all kicking off?

[joeysteele]

He's never really got involved before so he didn't really surprise me.
I really don't think he is interested.he is just going through the motions of being a housemate.

[chuff me dizzy]

It wasn't his business? plus he was outside when it was all kicking off?

Camera showed him and Coleen watching it all

[Niamh.]

It wasn't his business? plus he was outside when it was all kicking off?

But yeah getting involved would have done nothing, not one of them could have talked Kim down tbf

[Jordan.]

Why should he or anyone defend Kim in arguments she brings on herself?

[y.winter]

Haven't watched the las episode yet, but Kim doesn't "get attacked" for nothing, it's usually starts with her attacking others.
If she can't take an argument, she shouldn't start them either (and oh boy, doesn't she love igniting them).

[chuff me dizzy]

I actually think getting involved would have been a really bad move. He's a gentle soul IMO and would either have just been totally ignored, or would have made things even worse.

So he chose to sit back and let Kim get attacked as she did ? he's the calming influence in there, he could have stopped it in a minute, he chose to ignore it, I was disgusted in him as much as the ones doing the attacking

[Cherie]

Calum was just as bad, Spencer showed he was the only man in there last night, and Stacy tried to calm Jamie down as well


I had to laugh at Nicole in the DR saying she hoped sticking up for her wouldn't make Jamie look bad :hehe:

[jet]

But yeah getting involved would have done nothing, not one of them could have talked Kim down tbf

At least we could say he tried...:hee:

[chuff me dizzy]

But yeah getting involved would have done nothing, not one of them could have talked Kim down tbf

Kim ? Im talking about the rest of them,who had ganged up on Kim

[Josy]

Camera showed him and Coleen watching it all
Right but he was outside, Colleen actually left the bedroom as it kicked off yet you haven't mentioned anything about her not stepping in...

[chuff me dizzy]

Calum was just as bad, Spencer showed he was the only man in there last night, and Stacy tried to calm Jamie down as well


I had to laugh at Nicole in the DR saying she hoped sticking up for her wouldn't make Jamie look bad :hehe:

Spencer was goading Kim with the doors and made himself look a vile piece of ****

[Gusto Brunt]

It wasn't his business? plus he was outside when it was all kicking off?

I think it had a lot to do with the fact he still fancies Nicola (and she him).

He's frustrated in there. I'm not making excuses.

He is a coward to has no shame in shouting at a 74 year old LADY.

[Liam-]

Right but he was outside, Colleen actually left the bedroom as it kicked off yet you haven't mentioned anything about her not stepping in...

Or Calum, or Jedward

[chuff me dizzy]

Right but he was outside, Colleen actually left the bedroom as it kicked off yet you haven't mentioned anything about her not stepping in...

JC is seen as the Dad ,elder statesman of the house

[Toy Soldier]

JC is seen as the Dad ,elder statesman of the house

That doesn't mean he is, though. Just because he's the oldest male in there doesn't mean he can just "put his foot down" and everyone will fall in line :facepalm:

[Jordan.]

Kim ? Im talking about the rest of them,who had ganged up on Kim

I thought you would be smart enough not to fall for her gameplan, this is exactly what she wanted.

[chuff me dizzy]

Haven't watched the las episode yet, but Kim doesn't "get attacked" for nothing, it's usually starts with her attacking others.
If she can't take an argument, she shouldn't start them either (and oh boy, doesn't she love igniting them).

When you do watch it you will see Nicola ( once again ) started it,Kim asked Stacy what was wrong with her in a nice, quite voice ,Stacy hidden in the corner of an armchair with her dressing gown hood over her head ignoring her, in jumps motormouth McClean

[Cherie]

Spencer was goading Kim with the doors and made himself look a vile piece of ****

It was 50/50 quite a few people were enjoying having the door open, it's not Kims house, she could have asked, instead she played on it because she had seen the footage with Austin, and why does she get to call people vile scum and not have anyone pull her on it, good on Spencer, she had no come back either

[Liam-]

'Nicola started it'

Lmao, I feel like I'm watching a completely different show to everyone else sometimes.

[reece(:]

JC is seen as the Dad ,elder statesman of the house

I think not

[Toy Soldier]

When you do watch it you will see Nicola ( once again ) started it,Kim asked Stacy what was wrong with her in a nice, quite voice ,Stacy hidden in the corner of an armchair with her dressing gown hood over her head ignoring her, in jumps motormouth McClean

I won't disagree that Nicola deliberately and spitefully tries to get at Kim (the worst IMO was when Kim and Spencer were having a joke around, one of Kim's only nice moments, and Nicola deliberately sabotaged it)... but, let's not pretend that Kim is some lovely nice old lady either. Still, it's nothing to do with any of the other housemates. The best thing any of them (including James C) can do is stay as far away from it as possible.

[Gusto Brunt]

'Nicola started it'

Lmao, I feel like I'm watching a completely different show to everyone else sometimes.

She did start it my love. She's always at the centre, my love. Always her name mentioned my love. But it won't affect me, oh no. Not me, my love.':joker::joker:

[Cherie]

She did start it my love. She's always at the centre, my love. Always her name mentioned my love. But it won't affect me, oh no. Not me, my love.':joker::joker:

:joker:

[EspeonBB]

It wasn't his place to get involved. I don't blame him for sitting outside and trying to get away from it all

[jet]

It was 50/50 quite a few people were enjoying having the door open, it's not Kims house, she could have asked, instead she played on it because she had seen the footage with Austin, and why does she get to call people vile scum and not have anyone pull her on it, good on Spencer, she had no come back either

That was very telling. She's playing a game alright. James J was saying too that he knew very little about Jamie when he went in but Kim knew about his cheating and how many kids he had etc so must have done her research.

[y.winter]

When you do watch it you will see Nicola ( once again ) started it,Kim asked Stacy what was wrong with her in a nice, quite voice ,Stacy hidden in the corner of an armchair with her dressing gown hood over her head ignoring her, in jumps motormouth McClean
I'll be watching it tonight when I get back from work, but If it's the same as "what? what? what?" Nicola vs Kim, I believe Nicola didn't start this one either.
Kim goes 0 to 100 in a split if a second for people just blinking, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nicola wasn't THAT provoking her.

[y.winter]

She did start it my love. She's always at the centre, my love. Always her name mentioned my love. But it won't affect me, oh no. Not me, my love.':joker::joker:
:joker:

[RichardG]

I'll be watching it tonight when I get back from work, but If it's the same as "what? what? what?" Nicola vs Kim, I believe Nicola didn't start this one either.
Kim goes 0 to 100 in a split if a second for people just blinking, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nicola wasn't THAT provoking her.

it was kim who started it, as always

it was an amazing ep though :love:

[Vicky.]

DId he have a syringe full of midazolam on him? If not. he couldn't have helped.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is way too clever to get involved

[Nancy.]

The difference IS, unlike Nicole, James C isn't at the center of most arguments in there. Most of the hm's agree that he's a calming influence, so he could've calmed the situation, rather than throwing petrol on it like Nicole does. She only get's involved because she enjoys it and likes to keep it going. She even tries to turn playful banter into blazing arguments. IE: "Kim, have you told them how much you dislike them"?
She's nothing but a nasty little sh!t stirrier who's desperate to prove to the public that she's a changed woman (after her last stint on bb), but she's failing miserably. Thank **** there's enough intelligent people out there with common sense and integrity to see through her bullsh!t who aren't supporting her.

and since when is trying to get to the bottom of an argument attacking someone? She knew Stacy and Jessica's argument was about her and Nicole, but Stacy was too much of a two faced coward to tell her...hence Mother bunny jumping in and stirring the pot again.

[Kazanne]

The difference IS, unlike Nicole, James C isn't at the center of most arguments in there. Most of the hm's agree that he's a calming influence, so he could've calmed the situation, rather than throwing petrol on it like Nicole does. She only get's involved because she enjoys it and likes to keep it going. She even tries to turn playful banter into blazing arguments. IE: "Kim, have you told them how much you dislike them"?
She's nothing but a nasty little sh!t stirrier who's desperate to prove to the public that she's a changed woman (after her last stint on bb), but she's failing miserably. Thank **** there's enough intelligent people out there with common sense and integrity to see through her bullsh!t who aren't supporting her.

and since when is trying to get to the bottom of an argument attacking someone? She knew Stacy and Jessica's argument was about her and Nicole, but Stacy was too much of a two faced coward to tell her...hence Mother bunny jumping in and stirring the pot again.


I see no lies ,Stacey is a right crafty mare aswell.

[jaxie]

Liked him up to last night, but by God what a coward he is, he stood back and let a 74 yr old woman get attacked by a crowd of hm8s and never said a word, I thought he was the calming one in there,the one everyone would listen to ,and he could have stopped the attack on Kim in minutes, he chose not too ,not as good a man as I thought he was

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. I've lost a little respect for him because he just doesn't want to get involved. There is coasting tot he final and then there is being oblivious to your surroundings. He is respected by others (though they still all nom him :shrug:) and he could have helped calm that situation.

I also lost respect for him by refusing to wear the costume for the task. They can all bathe in cold water as long as I don't have to wear lycra. Spoiled brat of a man.

[Ross.]

This thread is a reach

[Nancy.]

I see no lies ,Stacey is a right crafty mare aswell.

She is, Kaz. She prides herself on telling it to people's faces, and yet she doesn't have the balls to tell Kim what the argument was about in the bedroom? Another two faced cow.

[chuff me dizzy]

The difference IS, unlike Nicole, James C isn't at the center of most arguments in there. Most of the hm's agree that he's a calming influence, so he could've calmed the situation, rather than throwing petrol on it like Nicole does. She only get's involved because she enjoys it and likes to keep it going. She even tries to turn playful banter into blazing arguments. IE: "Kim, have you told them how much you dislike them"?
She's nothing but a nasty little sh!t stirrier who's desperate to prove to the public that she's a changed woman (after her last stint on bb), but she's failing miserably. Thank **** there's enough intelligent people out there with common sense and integrity to see through her bullsh!t who aren't supporting her.

and since when is trying to get to the bottom of an argument attacking someone? She knew Stacy and Jessica's argument was about her and Nicole, but Stacy was too much of a two faced coward to tell her...hence Mother bunny jumping in and stirring the pot again.

:clap1:

[Alf]

She is, Kaz. She prides herself on telling it to people's faces, and yet she doesn't have the balls to tell Kim what the argument was about in the bedroom? Another two faced cow.Maybe she's just wise and knows that there's no point in arguing with Kim.

I'd get in the Ring with Wayne Sleep, but I wouldn't get in the ring with Anthony Joshua.

[Nancy.]

When you do watch it you will see Nicola ( once again ) started it,Kim asked Stacy what was wrong with her in a nice, quite voice ,Stacy hidden in the corner of an armchair with her dressing gown hood over her head ignoring her, in jumps motormouth McClean

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

I see no lies ,Stacey is a right crafty mare aswell.

Stacy sat their huddled in the corner of the chair looking like a Labradoodle could have quietly told Kim what was wrong when she asked, ,but she's sly and wanted the attention and trouble that she knew would come from Motormouth getting involved

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. I've lost a little respect for him because he just doesn't want to get involved. There is coasting tot he final and then there is being oblivious to your surroundings. He is respected by others (though they still all nom him :shrug:) and he could have helped calm that situation.

I also lost respect for him by refusing to wear the costume for the task. They can all bathe in cold water as long as I don't have to wear lycra. Spoiled brat of a man.

I agree with you

[ebandit]

Calum was just as bad, Spencer showed he was the only man in there last night, and Stacy tried to calm Jamie down as well


LOL............did you see the excited look on spencers face as it all kicked off

........could not get there quick enough to watch................

Mark L

[chuff me dizzy]

LOL............did you see the excited look on spencers face as it all kicked off

........could not get there quick enough to watch................

Mark L

EXACTLY !!

[Cherie]

LOL............did you see the excited look on spencers face as it all kicked off

........could not get there quick enough to watch................

Mark L

He took Jamie to one side with Stacy, it might have been edited down so he might have got out of bed to watch and who could blame him we all watched! but as it escalated he was the only man that stepped in

[Cherie]

EXACTLY !!

Calum was in bed with Jamie when it kicked off where did he disappear to :think:

[chuff me dizzy]

Calum was in bed with Jamie when it kicked off where did he disappear to :think:

But Calum isn't the man they all look up to in the house Cherie

[rusticgal]

Tbf...Kim cannot be reasoned with...it would be a pointless excercise. Even if he told the others to back off Kim would continue to goad... Leave her to it...she brings it on herself.

[jennyjuniper]

I think James C was wise to stay out of it. He knows that BB is watching and wouldn't let any physical harm come to her. I also suspect that he doesn't like Kim much. We haven't seen much of it but he seems to have made friends in the house and he said Kim was wrong to say that no-one liked anyone else (or words to that effect) in the house.
I do feel that Kim is the type to turn on people who are trying to help her and that's why Ithink he did the right thing in staying out of it.

[Beso]

I did say to you all that he is just a gossiping bitch.

[smudgie]

Had James C tried to intervene, Kim would have no doubt turned on him as well, then he would also be accused of being ganghanded.
The wisest thing to do when the barmy bint starts is to just ignore her..totally.

[Fosse]

There would be no point in coming to Kim's defence; the same situations will crop up continuously as long as Kim is in the house.

So what that she is 74; she deliberately provokes people.

[chuff me dizzy]

Had James C tried to intervene, Kim would have no doubt turned on him as well, then he would also be accused of being ganghanded.
The wisest thing to do when the barmy bint starts is to just ignore her..totally.

But he never even tried

[smudgie]

But he never even tried

Wise man, he knows the score, he has seen for himself she is off her trolley.:joker:

[Babayaro.]

Liked him up to last night, but by God what a coward he is, he stood back and let a 74 yr old woman get attacked by a crowd of hm8s and never said a word, I thought he was the calming one in there,the one everyone would listen to ,and he could have stopped the attack on Kim in minutes, he chose not too ,not as good a man as I thought he was

Stop talking ****e. He probably did the most sensible thing in that situation and not get involved. Why is it up to him to stick up for Kim, when in actual fact I don't think he even cares for her that much??

[Northern Monkey]

Kim gets herself into these situations and I believe she does it all on purpose.She's enjoying riling them all up.James C does right not to get sucked in by it.Everyone can see what she's doing.

[Marsh.]

Stop talking ****e. He probably did the most sensible thing in that situation and not get involved. Why is it up to him to stick up for Kim, when in actual fact I don't think he even cares for her that much??
I think Kim is the last one who needed anyone backing her up.

She can hold her own better than anyone Tbf.

[Jack_]

Why are you so obsessed with men having to be the ones that defend people, or step in to resolve conflict? :shrug: that isn't the primary purpose of every man's existence

More to the point, why would you even want him to dissolve what was a hysterical argument? I mean it'd be great TV if he actually got involved for once, but he isn't obliged to in any way, shape or form

[Lstan]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. I've lost a little respect for him because he just doesn't want to get involved. There is coasting tot he final and then there is being oblivious to your surroundings. He is respected by others (though they still all nom him :shrug:) and he could have helped calm that situation.

I also lost respect for him by refusing to wear the costume for the task. They can all bathe in cold water as long as I don't have to wear lycra. Spoiled brat of a man.

This is what I dont get in general there is this image of JC which most people have which is not coming across to me. I was going to say about the costume thing mainly, surely hes seen the programme before and understands what they ask of housemates and tbh its one of the least taxing tasks they asked of housemates, love jedwards whole reaction to it they are having a blast with it!

She even tries to turn playful banter into blazing arguments. IE: "Kim, have you told them how much you dislike them"?She's nothing but a nasty little sh!t stirrier who's desperate to prove to the public that she's a changed woman (after her last stint on bb), but she's failing miserably.

This and everything else you said Nancy. I would have more respect for nicola if she was as honest to kims face as she was behind her back bitching to james j. Her whole "you have made nice people cry in here" she cant be talking about herself surely. BE A WOMAN AND PICK A SIDE NICOLA! Dont talk the talk if you're not gonna walk the walk. As much as i do think kim oversteps the line at times nicola isnt some innocent bystanding housemate like people are making out, she is stirring the pot (like when she said to stacy not to tell kim about the argument in front of kim because "she doesnt need to know" like kim wasnt there or needs to be instructed on what she can and cant hear)

Why are you so obsessed with men having to be the ones that defend people, or step in to resolve conflict? :shrug: that isn't the primary purpose of every man's existence

I was unaware JC is all men ever in existence.

[Jamie89]

Why should he or anyone defend Kim in arguments she brings on herself?

This, it's not as if the housemates were picking on Kim or anything and she needed defending. I really don't see why he would have been expected to get involved.

[Shaun]

I see we're entering the "find silly faults" part of the season.

[Jake.]

ridiculous concept